NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Black Monday recap

Episode Date: January 4, 2017

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Chris Wesseling, & Gregg Rosenthal – recap all the latest news from around the NFL including the Texans naming Brock Osweiler starting quarterback for the Wild Card game against the Raiders, and questions surrounding Doug Whaley’s role in Buffalo. Then, the heroes look back at their regular season sandwich props to see who came out on top in “Go Get My Lunch”. Plus, special appearances from Handsome Hank & the new boss, David Ely.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast, featuring NFL Network's Greg Rosenthal. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and yes, NFL networks, Greg Rosethall. He's back with us. What's up, boys. Hey, Dan.

What a time to be alive and be back. Feels like that's NFL Network's Greg Rosenthal. I mean, you're showing up on TV now in a full suit. You're one of them. You're one of them. That's not, I mean, what does that mean? You wear a suit? You're one of them?

I was looking through my email, a work email on Monday, and the videos come across in their title. And two videos in a row come across with the words NFL Network's Greg Rosenthal starting the sentence. It was, you know, weighs in on Brock Oswald. or something, you know. Yeah. Forget about like RVGP.

You're going to be spinning off soon. Oh, RJVP. You're going to be spinning off on your own. It's just a matter of time now. So many side projects. This RVP. RVP. The, yeah, I mean, the shadowy league figure, you know,

we like to work as a for some. The league figures, they don't care. So we're, again, as usual, fighting the good fight, even if it's within our own walls. We're back. We're here. We got a big time preview. show on Thursday, which is good.

And we've got, you know, the Sunday recap in the whole playoffs, you know, this week. It was a skilled attempt to divert. Well, yeah, it's uncomfortable. I bet it is. But, no, it's great to have you back, Greg. And this is a action-packed Tuesday edition of the Around the NFL podcast. We have so much news to get through because, of course, last time that we spoke with you was on Sunday, which was right before Black Monday.

and now it is eh, great Tuesday. I mean, I'd argue it wasn't really even much of a Black Monday. It was, you know, the axe fell. Asked Doug Well, that's fair, but I mean the axe fell heavily on Sunday. Literally no one was fired on Black Monday. It all happened Sunday.

Is that historic? I believe so. It seems like it's shifting in that way, though. You find out earlier and earlier. But that doesn't mean there isn't a lot to talk about. So we will get through, go through all the, the big news around the league and then we will check in on a couple things some house clean i love doing house cleaning i love spring clean i love actually cleaning my house my wife finds out strange

uh i kind of a little ocd about it and that extends right to uh being podcast host because i time to clean house what's going on with the fork let's check in on the fork committee how did we do this year oh go get my lunch almost everything has gone final now for the 2016 season so we'll go through how everyone did with their sandwich props and also what's still hanging in the air as we head towards the final games of the 2016 season

and then at the end of the show I know Mark you have a score to settle with another member of this company so we'll handle that as well yes get ready Roger yeah but before we do any of that we will check in behind the glass

she was once a woman of modest means and now money. It is no obstacle to her. She is new money. Hey, guys. Hi. How's your car doing? Oh, it's great. Yeah? My name is Nairia Stormborn. Wait, what? Yeah. That was a Game of Thrones ref. It was a game of Thrones ref. Come on, Greg. What are you, Gary Myers? Catch up with the pop culture terms.

We'll talk about Gary as well. I think it's admirable that she continues to show up to work because she doesn't need to, I mean, you've gotten more than enough, you've got stacks of greenbacks all throughout your house. This is a story that's taken a lot of hold. I had a friend who listens to every episode. He was like, what's the new money thing? I forget that if you miss like five minutes of just one show, it's sometimes hard to catch up.

That's why you don't miss anything. But he could tell that you were a different person. I like that Greg, he'll raise up straw man friends to complain about things that he doesn't agree with. I see that. I see that. Let's do some news. Oh, I can't believe it.

Big Greg's show. Damn right it is We'll start Yes you heard you heard the sniveling there The Brock Osweiler trained back on the tracks The Texans decided or announced On Tuesday that Brock Osweiler Will be under center against the Raiders

This Saturday for their wild card Playoff game Bill O'Brien made the decision And really it was not a decision Because Tom Savage is in the concussion Protocol, or Nick Cage, one or the other, in concussion protocol. So that left them on a short week with no choice really but to start Osweiler. And, you know, listen, Greg, let's start here. You are heading to Houston for this Raiders Texans game, Goose bumps.

That's right. And you will see Brock Osweiler facing off against Connor Cook, who is also the news came out today, according to Rapsheet, that Connor Cook, not Matt McGloin, who messed up his shoulder last week, is expected to start. Cook Osweiler, feel the power. It's crazy that the first show after, you know, Black Monday, that Brock Osweiler is leading the show. This guy who we thought was out of our lives and we were excited that, okay, if the Texans are going to make the playoffs, at least we got Tom Savage to look forward to. And now he's back and it's a little depressing.

But I kind of think this is, to me, more exciting or better than, and we'll talk about it Thursday, than Texans Bengals or some of these other Chiefs Bengals that have nothing. This is almost so ridiculous, kind of like I like bad football games sometimes. There's a certain point where it's so insane that Connor Cook is starting against this disaster Osweiler in a playoff game that it's almost a little fun. They're sitting in the right guy. It's so raging. It's Wesleyan's kind of fun. All year I look forward to the first afternoon of wildcard weekend for Westin. I can get in a bar with the normal people and watch a football game.

I don't have to take notes. I don't have to cover it. And I get stuck being off to watch a game that would be like the 14th best game in week seven of a normal season. I mean, there's always usually one game in the playoffs that first weekend where you could, unless you work for the NFL or you're a hardcore fan, you could skip it because that team that wins, the team that loses, they weren't even really a player. This is better than Panthers versus Ryan Linley.

The team that wins gets wiped out the next week. And this is that game. There is no Super Bowl winner or participant coming out of this game. Greg, I kind of disagree. That Panthers-Linley game had the early makings of Bruce Ariens Cardinals team that was beginning to find out what they were. And a Panthers team that had surged into the playoffs. I see two teams here.

Couldn't agree more with Wes. I have to be at work during this, so I will. Otherwise, I would probably have lined up 15 to 20 other activities to do. Many of them unpleasant. I mean, this is, you know. 15 to 20 unpleasant activities? Sure. Sure.

Oh, I'm sorry. The driveway, you need to dump trash all over the driveway yourself, then clean it up. That's very unpleasant. I mean, this is, it's such a weird thing. It's the first playoff game without playoff implications. Like, it's, there's... Continue to sell this game that they're sending. No, this, I mean, it's the first playoff, you know,

because neither of these teams are going anywhere, so it doesn't really matter for the rest of it. I think if the Raiders won this game, and you're right, we can preview it later. The fact that Connor Cook starting... Expected to start. Expected to start. You showed a little something,

and if the Raiders could somehow go in there, get a win where Connor Cook looks a little. little frisky. To me, that's a little fun. They get their first win in 14 years. And the mess of Osweiler and Houston, that's a little more interesting, too, if that happened. So that could be fun. Well, you then get, meanwhile, on the throne of ease, you get Connor Cook coming up to

New England for a prime time. Well, who knows? Maybe that's how they get the revenge for the tuck roll game. Yeah, well, the Patriots. Michigan State instead of Michigan. The Patriots historically very much struggle against rookie quarterback, so that is, you are right. In the playoffs. Yeah, and Wes, again.

I do feel bad for you because now the reality is really coming into focus. There is no West of us this year. No, and who knows if there ever will be again. Whoa. I mean, I went through the 90s with this team. They could go decades without reaching the postseason. Well, there's two ways Westivis ends. They stop going to the playoffs or they actually win a game in the playoffs.

I'm not worried about that. Well, there's a third way, which relates to Mark's sandwich proposition, and that there will be no Super Bowl 51. And who really knows what's coming after that? That's absolutely correct, Greg. All right, let's move on. One of the press conferences, several notable press conferences on Black Monday,

that was like the big new storylines coming out of the day. One out of Denver where Gary Kubiak, 11 months ago, was hoisting the Lombardi Trophy. Now his career is over. He announced his retirement due to health issues. and he said, you know, nice little, Mark, you weren't that a big of a fan, KubiX Presser, pre-production meeting. I'll let you set up, I'll explain, but it's, yeah.

In listening to it, in preparation for this podcast, I had some nice moments, like when he talked about how John Elway changed the trajectory of the end of his career. We all have had our bosses that we have a hard time talking to. Well, he's my boss, but we sat down and we talked well until the night. and I you know one of the things I remember telling him I said you know what I said two years ago I was in Baltimore and I made a decision I said you know what I'm going to coach for a few more years and be a coordinator enjoy this and I said damn it you picked up the phone and called me why did you call me you know but thank God he did thank God he did did did he call L.A. Wood is that did I miss that a Texas

something at the draw but I don't know I thought maybe not sure of the nickname would Elway. Hollywood Elway? I mean, there's no attachment to Hollywood with John O'Away. I don't know. So Kubiak out after two years on the job, correct? And the Super Bowl win this year did not go to plan.

But at the end of the day, another great move by John Elway because Kubiak was the right man for the job last year. Yeah, I had no problem with Kubiak. I think actually, you know, we've been around Kubiak a bunch at the Super Bowl and at owners' meetings. And I think he is

as advertised. He's a total salt of the earth coach that players look up to him as a father figure in fellow coaches love. My complaint is more with the fact that it was tucked into a morning with like 48 nonsensical pressers. And I just don't think that some of these press conferences are really the best way to say goodbye to someone. It's it's it's an annoyance with the event, not with Kubiak. Kubiak deserved better in my opinion. What does that even mean? He got to, well, it means what I just said. That doesn't mean anything. It means exactly what I just said. You're in a bad mood. didn't want to see, you know, but it was sentimental. It was very emotional. You know, you did,

you did think how it was nice, you know, sometimes it's always not about nice guys getting nice things happened to them in the NFL. This story that he was, it sounded like a guy who maybe has his football versus life priorities a little more in line than some NFL head coaches. And the fact that he probably had it in his head, maybe I'm not going to coach forever. the fact that he got to go back, the backup quarterback of John Elway and now working for John O'A and win a Super Bowl.

I mean, it doesn't get much better than that. Such a neat story. And to be a fly on that wall, the quote that you played where they're having that meeting, at the end of the year meeting to assess where Kubiak's going to go with one of your best friends of the last 30 or 40 years, a guy that you won titles with as a player, and then you won a title as an assistant coach,

and now you won a title as a head coach with him? I mean, that's a lot of looking back. on your glory days. I mean, I remember watching those Broncos teams, and they'd constantly cut to Kubiak on the sideline, and they have been friends. And remember why he brought Kubiak in off of the John Foss experience was trust and friendship.

And a lot of times those things don't work out. And their offense wasn't great the last two years, but I think Kubiak's ability to engineer a running game and get what he could out of a falling apart, Peyton Manning was a big reason they won this one. And hats off to Gary Kubiak's hair, that even through all the health. woes and all the years of father time never changed color always jet black always styled the

same way and the same amount of follicles thousands and thousands of follicles i'll never forget garry kubiak's hair hair recognizes hair the hair recognizes hair west yes little win west's toaster trivia for you uh oh seven coaches in the nflb l have left their team within one season of winning a super bowl title give me four no no don't care i'll give you one at least he can't That means he doesn't know the answer. Bill Walsh. I don't care. Bill Walsh, Bill Parcells.

It's about me. Jimmy Johnson. You're broken man in trivia. And how about Barry Switzer? No, you had it under there. The reason why I stopped caring about Win West's Toaster, because of Damasek's whole thing, where it was absolutely true, there's a difference between trivial and trivia. And we were descending into trivial. You're Ronda Rousey.

You've been broken at some point, and now you're afraid to do trivia anymore. Yeah, but I kicked a lot of ass when I was on. on top you did you did anyway mark you had three there i believe yeah bill cower dick for a meal jimmy johnson who's the only one fired joe gibbs bill parcels bill walshals and vince lombardy i was in australia uh and picked up a copy of usa today in 1994 i believe when uh jimmy johnson was canned and i thought it was a joke i mean back then there was no obviously no internet i thought they these guys don't know how to report football this is some international version of usa today but it was real.

Yeah. Two quick things. I know he wanted to move. Yes. Elwood is Kubeyak's nickname for John Elway. Oh, there you go. And he broke it down to Wood. And then he was shortening to wood.

So there you go. Probably because of Hollywood, I would think, because he was like the pretty best superstar. Elway, Elwood. Yeah. Not a pretty boy. I would guess it's a Blues Brothers reference. Oh, God. I hate Blues Brothers.

Uncle movies for the ages. You're preaching to the choir on that. Animal House, Blues Brothers. Caddy Shack. Good movie. Blues Brothers is Uncle. You're no longer preaching to the choir. You've got to separate Caddyshack and Animal House from Blues Brothers.

It's a triple feature for the Uncle Ages. Caddyshack. No, Blazing Saddles is Uncle Humor. An animal. An Uncle Triple Feature. I don't know how often uncles watch three movies in a row, but we will save this for the Uncle podcast. Uncle Humor podcast. In the off season.

Let's move on to some grim press conferences, which I love. They're my favorite. Starting with Doug Whaley, who really took a beating in his end of year presser. Of course, he gets to keep his job. while Rex Ryan is now unemployed and, you know, people are asking questions. And one of the questions that reporters had was regarding the specifics of Rex Ryan's firing. We just finished our weekly phone conversation with Terry, myself and Rex. Terry Pagula.

Rex asked to speak to him privately. After that, I was informed that Rex would no longer be our coach. I wasn't privy to the conversation, so I cannot get into those details. Okay, that's obviously a bad look That the GM is saying that he had no Connection to the dismissal of the head coach And that got reporters up in arms Getting a little bit feisty

Starting here Was your input sought by your owner on the firing or wrecks Or wasn't it? I don't want to know whether you're privy to a single conversation I want to know if you had input into that decision whatsoever No No Did I mention that the reporters were feisty

It wasn't your decision to fire the head coach, even though you're the general manager? Was it your decision to bring on Anthony Lynn as who made that call? I'm just trying to figure out what the chain of command is. I'm honestly trying to figure out what you do for living despite your job title.

Okay. I'd like to know what you do. Can I answer? That's that's true. By the way, this is why journalism is important. Reporters, they should be the voice of the people and the voice of Bill's fans demanding

answers for what's going on inside that building, and Whaley got roasted, which could not have been fun for him, but he kind of deserved it. He did, and you can say, like, he's just not great with the media or whatever. He seems so annoying. That would be true. Right, which would, which would be true. But ultimately, it matters, because the bills are trying to present to prospective coaches in the rest of the league a competent organization. And whether it's just bad PR or just terrible management, which I'd lean towards the latter, they're presenting an image of an organization where they're not all on the same page. Yeah, you can't assume that someone that's good at scouting players and building a roster

is going to be a good front-facing mouthpiece, but it goes hand in hand these days. Or you don't put them out there. This at least had something to do with Terry Pagula having to go stage an exclusive interview with the Associated Press later in the day to say the team is not a dysfunctional. functional disaster and to go into detail about what happened with Rex Ryan, basically to clean up the mess. We're busting our asses every day. Absolutely.

And I will say that, yes, they were feisty, the journalists in there. But like Tim Graham, for instance, and Vic Carucci, I think that they're absolutely right to say we don't know what Doug Whaley's actual job description is. Because as they pointed out, he is closer to like an HR type person than he is an actual functioning GM. His job is keeping his job. That's what he's good at. But it's like he's not taking ownership over stuff that clearly a general manager would have a huge hand in.

And either he's so bad his job that they're keeping him there as a figurehead and he's not making decisions. Or he took a job where he had no power and that was a terrible decision. Either way, it's a bad look. Well, or he's, I would lean towards a third option, which is he's mostly just lying and obfuscating to the media and not telling the truth. But then he's putting on ownership, which would be a risky move, I would think. I think he's just almost trying to be so vague to not answer anything, and then you get caught in lies. But that's actually a skill, and he's not good at that either.

Right, right. I want to just read quickly different headlines from the Buffalo News right now. A new low point for Pagula Bills. Here's another one. Hosing down the dumpster fire along one Bill's Drive. And then here's another one. This is all the same day. What if Doug Whaley wasn't lying and his press conference was a cry for help?

that's a headline that's a headline again that's journalism doing your job as a reporter speaking for the people and and you know what this is this is 17 years without going to the playoffs and the idea and it seems like an idea that has some legs that things are not any better and they're not going in the right direction after 17 straight years not playing in january i think we know this following bad teams and so does west growing up that there is a huge faction well there is a faction of Bill's fans that go at these journalists for being tough on Whaley. I saw it all yesterday where they were killing these guys for asking tough questions of the general manager.

That is what their job is, and they're trying to do it for the fans. Right. As someone who grew up in the 90s with the Bengals and a high degree of ineptitude, I'll save my opinion for this next franchise coming up. All right, and let's move on. There's a nice segue to the San Francisco 49ers, who, as we know, over the weekend, canned both general manager Trent Balke and head coach

Chip Kelly after one year for Chip and in fact there have been four coaches in four years once they hire well has been four in the last four years or will this be the fourth? This will be the fourth and it's the third straight year they fired someone. Right. So four and four years

which led to one intrepid journal up in the Bay Area to ask Jed York, the team CEO, what makes him qualified to be overseeing another hire after things have gone so terribly in recent years. I own this football team. You don't dismiss owners.

I'm sorry that that's the facts and that's the case, but that's the fact. And I'm going to do everything that I can to get this right. This isn't about a business and running an operation to make money. We're making sure that we're doing everything that we can to reestablish this culture. Wes? It's a little off-putting when I get tweets on an almost daily basis for, from people who are fans of franchises and they don't like a move they've made or they don't like a loss they're coming off of and they say, I'm ready to do what you did and just give up my

team. It's off-putting because what the Bengals went through in the 90s is so far above and beyond what any team goes through now as far as ineptitude. The 49ers since I've been covering the NFL right now, the past four years, are as close to the 1990s Bengals as any organization. four coaches in four years they're going to have. And this guy, if you want to be generous, say he's learning on the job, Jed York. If you don't want to be generous, say I'm scared of who he's going to hire next.

Well, and it's very well said. And you know who is by far the biggest mess? I would say of any organization in the 90s. It was the San Francisco 49ers. I mean, not the 90s, the 2000s. The 2000s, the mid-2000s, in terms of ownership. and there was changing and it was very complicated, but it was ultimately all the same family

or variations of the same family when it was Mike Nolan and Dennis Erickson and Singletary and crazy things happening in the front office and disagreement. It's all the same group. So it's a continuation. And that's why if I was a 49ers fan, I think you'd, like you said, I think you'd have some reason to put together a little dossier

and leave them. Yeah, dossier. How far do you have to dig out of this whole, that you're in right now. You can look at a team like the Titans and say, you know, they were two and 14 last year, but they had Marioita, and they had that trade chip, because they had a franchise quarterback, they could turn that chip into a bunch of more draft picks. The 49ers have none of that.

They have no nucleus. They have no general manager. They have no coach. They have no infrastructure. The hole that they've dug for themselves is huge. Yeah. And it's like a five-year hole. And it goes back to stuff that Bill Belichick, you know, tediously maybe some might think,

but he talks about the fact that you don't take jobs when ownership is a major concern. And a lot of Bill Belichick so-called disciples have turned down interviews with certain teams when they don't trust the ownership that's out there. And I don't know how you sell the 49ers if you're York right now. He says, oh, we're not out to make money? Well, of course you're not, because you're now paying, what, nearly $70 million to a crew of fired people that is an unfathomable number it's it's unbelievable but they're you know i would i think we've been easy on the browns they've done very much the same thing where they're paying they were

paying chadinsky chadzinski for three different jobs at one point well but it's yes yes well they they do have interviews set up with josh mcdaniels and nick casario so i think what yet jed york can sell now is we will get out of the way of maybe a tandem so i've thought about it they have the worst roster in the league, but the more I think about it, I'd rather have the 49ers job than the bills because the 49ers don't have Doug Whaley. And at least, it seems obvious, but Jed York basically apologized to, well, I guess I should have known, you know, pairing Trent Balke, who's really defensive-minded with Chip Kelly, who's offensive-minded, and, you know, maybe that wasn't a great idea. Like, I don't know why it took you that long

to figure that out. Well, you're also assuming that he's caught up to speed. I think he's continuing to learn on the fly. It surprises me that you said that, Greg. I would much rather have the bill's job. Well, I'm just thinking, for instance, if you were Josh McDaniels and you could go there with Nick Casario or if you're another coach who can go there with the GM, they believe in. That's better than any job with Doug Whaley.

Still starts at the top. One more point about the 49ers is how quickly things changed. From 2011 through 2013, they went to the NFL's equivalent of the final four all three years, almost won a Super Bowl, and lost 11 games in three years under Harbaugh. Since then, 8 and 8, got rid of Harbaugh, 5 and 11, 2 and 14, and now this is where they are. And in one of the reported interviews for GM, Lewis Riddick of ESPN. I always kind of love it when media guys, like when there was the Mayock interviewing with the Raiders type of thing. You know, that's all.

Get you a little juice. Former player, too. Daniel Jeremiah interviewed. I was going to say, our pal Daniel Jeremiah in the early days of Twitter had a great Twitter account. We were sorry to see Move the Sticks leave to go into some front offices. But now it's back. And I think he does a podcast, but I'm not sure. Moving on, Sean Payton, it's that time of year.

You know, Christmas, New Year's, Sean Payton connected to another job other than the Saints. He shot down those rumors on some level this week on Monday said that any conversation that had been reported on about a conversation with General Manager Mickey Loomis after the season finale, calling that completely false. that it had something to do with his future. That's something that they do after every road game. And then he told the room of reporters, we're not going to address rumors, reports. If we answer those every time, it would be silly. My plan is to definitely be back here.

I have four years left on my contract in my little briefcase. You can say that. And I plan on honoring that. I think it's the, at least the second, if not the third year in a row, where it was my turn to write a story. And it was the Sean Payton, you know, cannot believe that this gossip is out there about him. And, I mean, it's certainly, I think we've pegged it as agent-driven in the past.

And all I'll say is this, because it's the same stuff we've said every other time. He can keep saying this stuff boils up out of thin air. The people inside that organization who know him well, they know if that's true or not. It doesn't matter if we know if it's true or not. They know Sean Peyton, and he's got to walk around that building and look his players and his fellow personnel people in the face. and walk and then talk go out and say none of this is true i it doesn't bring true to me and um in other coaching news chuck bagano uh still has a job some people surprised about that uh he was asked if he

uh if he expects a change uh and losing his gig he said no and then a reporter followed this is based on your confidence and he replied i just look at things and it's always half full and i don't have any reason to believe why i wouldn't be your thoughts gregg I would be worried about Chuck Pagano if I was a friend or a Colts fan. What are you getting at? When you watch, go watch the beginning of his press conference yesterday. It was a rambling, tired, exhausted, over 1,500 word, 13 minute. 13 minutes.

Some somewhat incoherent thing where he just seemed tired. And then I think it looked like a guy who didn't know if he was going to keep his job yet. And just the whole thing was wearing on him. And then I thought a key moment was they asked him about, well, is this a better-than-eight-and-eight talent on the roster? And he just said, he just was like, well, that's an interesting question. And then he just kind of paused and, like, looked off into the distance and never really answered it. Oh, well, that's because he's thinking, is it really worth getting into it with Grigton again for an entire? Just the whole, I think we're going to have one more move, whether it's a crazy coach trade.

you know, Ian had kind of slid it into a Sean Peyton article that maybe the Chargers could be interested in Ron Rivera at some point or whether it's Pagano, I still feel like there's going to be one more domino. The one thing I will say in Pagano's favor, what made it tough for him, was that he had yet to meet with Ursay. Right. And that why would you have that be the order of things, where you have to go face a pretty riled-up press corps

asking about all this stuff, but you can't really say for sure I have the confidence of my owner or we're going to be back, because you don't know, and I think that would be very tough to answer those questions. Right, and one of the questions was, well, why do you think that you have what it takes? Like, why do you think this team has what it takes, you know, after this disappointed year? And he goes, well, you saw it yesterday, that comeback. Like, yes, that comeback against the Doug Marone 3 and 13 Jaguars.

That was what he said. He said, that's my proof. Hey, those Doug Barone Jaguars are tough. By the way, you know who laughs at the 15-minute opening to Chuck Paganas Press Conference? Who? John Izzick, wherever you are, John. 19 minutes and 13 seconds, his infamous mid-season press conference in 2014. Beat it.

Who can get it? 1913. A filibustering glacier. An ice structure that filibuster. Was it just him up there moving the beads on his abacus back and forth? Basically. Speaking of the Jets, offensive coordinator Chan Galley announced his retirement. You could read the tea leaves on this one.

And he gave some statements last week leading up to this that he didn't think he was going to be involved with the Jets going forward. This comes one year after the Jets had a top ten offense with Ryan Fitzpatrick a quarterback. But as we all know, everything changed for New York this season. Just the start of the bloodletting under Todd Bowles who keeps his job. Quarterbacks coach Kevin Petulow, running backs coach Marcel Schiff, defensive line to coach Pepper Johnson, the outside linebackers coach, the defensive backs coach, all that go. So the team did hold on to at this point defensive coordinator Casey Rogers, but obviously when this stuff happens when they decide to keep the coach who's on the bubble, it's always the assistance that get whacked because the ownership demands some type of changes or general manager. And that's what happened here. And another former jet coach, Marty Morgingwig, who was the offensive coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens, he will remain in that position marked.

Does that surprise you? Well, it does because there were strong, you know, hints and rumors that Greg Roman potentially, you know, I guess a friend of the Harbaugh's, you know, dating to his time with Jim Harbaugh, best friends. And then they stuck with Marty. But I find it funny that the Jets, this is how these guys circle around the league so much, that someone that wasn't good enough for the Jets a couple years ago, now is good enough for a very consistent forward-thinking Ravens team.

So I can't offer a question. The only thing I'd say about Bowles is there are other coaches in the league that would have not allowed that to happen that would have walked out of a job before they fired half their staff, if not more than their staff. Well, you also have to know whether he... I'm just saying that sometimes those stalemates lead to the coach leaving. Sometimes.

You know, we should say goodbye. Jan Galey, great career. Nice. Some fun offenses. Great career? Court. Yeah, as a coach. I mean, you're starting at the bottom,

coached a couple Super Bowl teams in Denver as an offensive coordinator. I mean, he goes back. Denver. Oh, really? He was the coordinator of the Elway, like the end of the Elway era. Maybe it was just one of the Super Bowl's they lost. He was the coordinator of the Steelers in the mid-90s when they won some playoff game. He just kind of been all over.

He turned Tyler Thigpin into a quarterback one season. He did some things. Basically brought the pistol to the NFL. Finally. the New York Giants, you know, a little bit of controversy around them because after Sunday's game against the Redskins, several wide receivers, including Odell Beckham Jr. and Victor Cruz flew to Miami to party with Justin Bieber, Trey Songs.

Johnny Mansell was in the building. Really? Yep. He was in the club. And that led to, you know, as you can. As you can imagine, a bulletin board material, I would think people would get excited about. oh, the Packers, though, they see these guys partying before the big playoff game. And West, there was, you know, some people that agree this was the wrong thing for O'Dell and Company to do.

Well, first of all, you know, you hold up the Buffalo media for the great job they've done and finding out, you know, what the fans want, getting answers. The New York media for two years has made it its job to take the best player on that team and every time he does anything, turn it into a controversy, to the extent that they were actually suggesting trading him in October, which seems silly now. Put a name to it. Who said that? There was all kinds of people in New York saying, I don't know exactly who said it at the time, but this Gary Myers article today is ridiculous, suggesting that because Eli Manning is studying tape

and these guys are doing something on an off day, which they are free to do on an off day, what happened if the trip turned into Gilligan's Island and the wide outs got stranded? This is in the article. Gary, it's 2017. No more Gilgans Island refs. The show went off the air literally like 38 years ago. The suggestion

that Eli Manning is studying tape while these guys are out partying, look, the only reason Eli Manning is playing this week is because O'Dell Beckham carried him into January. This is, it bothers me. Using a transcendent talent like

O'Dell Beckham to catch passes from the 2016 version of Eli Manning is like hanging a Van Gogh in your garage. I'm not surprised at all that like... I love that this turned into an Eli bash session, but I'm not surprised at all. Well, when a columnist has a hack take, like Eli Manning's studying tape, give me a break. Eli did the first thing all season that you would have enjoyed Chris when he was asked about this, saying he was only disappointed they didn't pack better. And then when they tried to press him even more, and he was like, come on, give me a break.

I thought Eli handled it. going out in New York. I thought Eli handled it beautifully. They didn't invite Eli Manning. That's the concerning bit for me. Well, there were several concerning things about it. Why is Justin Bieber involved? But that's what these guys do now.

I just think, like, you can't. I'm not defending their choice in people to hang out with or whatever, but it's their off day. You don't want to bring Eli. It's like bringing Dad. It's like bringing Dad to the Bachelor Party. I'd like to know what Gary Myers is doing in his off days when he's not becoming a better writer. Whoa. Wow.

By the way, we'll get Gary on the show on Thursday. On April 17th of this year, it will mark the 50th anniversary of Killigan's Island going off the air. CBS. It lived on in syndication. It did. 50 years ago this April. Marianne has made well more money than the four of us put together.

That's what's happening in the news. I did want to mention something. Wes and I, we went out to dinner last night, celebrated and Greg celebrated well this is this is this is West centric so I didn't mean to leave out but we celebrated Colleen's birthday with her well you know you make it sound like I

Dan was unable to go all right this was a clunky way to get into this but I wanted to you know go speak with Wes about it when I got into work today and he had got up from his desk and I found on his on his desk a piece of paper and it in this

this threw me because essentially it was a window into the fact that Wes uses Craigslist to look for services, find services, offer services and advice. He had created what I think is a Craigslist ad. Who's Craig? What does this have to do with last night? I guess we'll well. Well, I just want to read what it was. It was probably improper for me to take it, but let me read it. All right, it goes like this. Sorry, Wes. Dear people of Craigslist and to all with ears, let me regale you as I share a personal dream of mine. Perhaps it will be your dream too. Here it goes. Since I was a little boy in Cincinnati, Ohio, I've always wanted to be part of a

singing barbershop quartet. Here's the problem, though. Most of the half-baked quasi-form quartets here in Los Angeles are essentially nothing more than hipster types doing it for effect alone and not for the music. In other words, clowns. Do they yearn to gather with a group of fine singing gents to wax lyrically about the Swanee River? Do they regularly join with four or five other fellows crooning and belting out tunes for well-dressed people in the city square negative do they dream of shifting seamlessly from old-timey hits like alexander's ragtime band to shine on harvest moon to my personal favorite genie with the light brown hair they do not but i know that's what i'm meant to do the one issue of course is money i need someone who can lend a hand with managing the tremendous

funds and expenses that come with building and producing a large-scale singing troupe that will perform in barber's clothing and woven hats along the sea. I'm just not sure who can help with those kinds of questions. Sign up for Mr. Flames High School Economics Class in the Hague, the Netherlands today at

www.flameclass.com. You always wonder when it's going to hook around to the flame hook. It always catches me just a little bit by surprise. I don't know. I'm concerned for it. It would be an expensive endeavor for West because he'd have to start with singing lessons.

Not a guy known. He said it. He's open about it. That's why I think you want to do things that you maybe don't come easily to U.S. I would rather dump garbage onto your driveway and then go pick it up than singing a barbershop quartet. I don't buy a word of it. So there you have it. Let's move on.

And yeah, it's time to finish for the 2016 season, our look at the 4th,000. committee we convene one last time stick a fork in them all right guys here are the teams that we forked let's find out if we were right the New York Jets New Orleans Saints feeling good Jacksonville Jaguars

Cleveland Browns Gutsi Chicago Bears San Francisco 49ers A lot of bad teams Arizona Cardinals Bengals Carolina Panthers and the Los Angeles Rams 9 for 9.

What does that say? Celebration? I think it says something negative. It might. I kind of agree with me. We didn't do the exercise the same way, which I was fine with. We stopped it way before we have in previous years.

No, we stopped at the same exact time. We usually, no, some years we were going up to week 13, Week 14? Well, I've heard of last year. Okay. Yeah, maybe last year. Last year we had to cut it off at the same time, but maybe a little too safe.

And we're the big winners, I guess, because there's no, we're not giving any money to charity. Yeah, it's an interesting dynamic. Another way to look at that, charity is the big loser. That's never good. Does the segment get forked a year from now? I guess we can decide. Oh, we just got a man up a little bit. I think we did play it a little safe this year.

I agree. Yeah. going nine for now if we would have we twice nominated the dolphins dolphins made the playoffs that would have banged us so look you the only reason we stayed perfect is because you stuck up for the dolphins twice yeah so that was wrong the needy and you know those with with issues down in the miami area that might have profited from us contributing to a charity have you to think come at dan hansis on twitter come at me south florida vagrants all right let's move on now and uh

It's time to dig in. More housekeeping. Go get my lunch. Go get my lunch. Yes. Another year in the books. How long we've been doing this, Greg? This is our fourth season.

Our fourth season. We've been doing go get my lunch the whole time. Of lunch props. Same thing with stick a fork in them. I might need to freshen up these bits. So, you know. Greg has a friend suggesting that. There is a thin line between tradition and repetition.

I like go get my lunch. Stick a four. work? I could lose it. I know you don't like it when we bring these things up. No, I like if you're going to say things like that, you should bring up. This is what we should do instead. Okay.

Greg, the segment killer Rosenthal. Yeah. Some suggestions on new segments would be great along with killing things. Greg wants a four-minute podcast and then 60 minutes of dead air where other segments would have gone. Pick a fork sold. I did it at my old job. Greg, now it's like it's about me, Greg Rosenthal audition. What are you saying?

I started it so I get to kill it. Is that what you're going on? Oh, that's a good way to like that. I wasn't what I was thinking. Let's do a little. Greg is slowly rounding into form with this newfound power. It's fantastic to watch. You are very much networked now.

This isn't new. What's going on in the green room these days? Yeah, what happens in there? What's the buffet like there? It's delicious. All right. Here we go. Let's go through the props.

Some of them we touched on halfway through the season, but I'll just quickly go through all of them. we'll start with Christoph Wessling according to this he's 11 and 13 and we already went over Kristen Michael and September 2016 is a top 5 fantasy running back

did not work out He leads the Seahawks in rushing which is a troubling stat He also was I believe he was top 10 at the end of September in fantasy He was in the realm The Patriots won't lose another game all year starting in Week 10, 2016

Legarren got stopped at the goal line He did. So that cost you two sandwiches to both Dan, one to Dan and one to Mark. The Colts will beat the Jets in a meaningless week 13 games. How did that ever come up? Well, these prop bets sometimes pop up out of nowhere and I got a little excited about. That was the easiest sandwich anyone won all year. Well, we'll see, but it might be.

West won one there. It's an interesting one. Muhammad Sanoo will finish 2016 with more touches and total yards than Marvin Jones. We all took Greg West on that, and the breakdown was somewhat close. In fact, Sunu had more catches, I don't know about rushes, but he had more catches outright, 59 to 55, but Marvin Jones had nearly 1,000 yards, 930. I'm fine with that one. I think Sunu had the better season, even if his numbers weren't better,

and he was more integral to his offensive success, I think. But you're paying out sandwiches. That's fine. I'm only to pay. 280 yards. It's not a small margin. Jones won it pretty easy. Jones did all of that in September.

He was on pace for like a 1,500-yard season through week seven. Chris Long has more sacks than Chandler Jones in 2016. That one not as close. That was a stupid one. Chris Long finished with four sacks. Chandler Jones 11 and a half, 11 sacks. So that one cost you three sandwiches. DeMarco Murray and Derek Henry will combine for more rushing yards

than the NFL's rushing leader. That was correct, but no one took you on it. Oh, so we were smart not to take it. Actually, Greg even lampooned the very notion of that. Oh, yeah. And I was right. And I see Nick Fortier does a great job on go get my lunch.org. Has this in green.

I don't think that should be given as a one sandwich if no one takes you on it, right? No, he's just saying. Well, I said it's correct. Zeke Elliott wins rookie of the year. You're going to get that. Only Greg took you on it. That was after the year had started and everybody was on the course in Wednesday. Oh, that was our halfway or a few weeks.

weeks into the year. Yeah, you're probably going to get that unless people get really crazy and vote DAC, but I'm pretty sure, Zeke, so you got a sandwich for me on that. Tony Romo starts a game in 2016, including the playoffs. So this isn't technically over yet. None of us took you on it. Right now, he has not started a game. It probably won't.

So that always shows an interesting thing when no one takes them on it, and then, you know, we weren't smart there. We should have. Mark even Stephen Sessler up Had a nice season here 12 and 7 Mark Here we go Well let's get into it

Ben Watson tops 825 yards receiving 2016 he blew his Achilles In August I was Dan the only one to take that I don't think I was here for that podcast I don't remember I think it was a one-on-one scenario One of those things that just popped Yes

Yeah The Cardinals won't be in the NFC title game You got it right but none of us took you on it Because we all agreed Tajay Sharp will lead all rookie wide receivers and receptions The winner there was by a long shot Michael Thomas had 92 catches

Wow Tajay Sharp had I believe 62 something in that range I believe number two is Sterling Shepard who had 65 This is all kind of guesswork But I can't read it was not a great year

for rookie wide receivers There's someone else in there But Tase Sharp had 41 41 excuse me So he did not have a big, big breakout year. Lost three on that. Lost one. That is true.

All of us. Marcus Marriota and Blake Bortles will throw more combined touchdowns than Ben Rathlisberger and Joe Flacco. Greg and myself took you up on that. They did not throw more. How many did they throw? Well, each duo threw 49. So they also did not throw less.

They did not throw less, but they threw the same? It was a tie? Yeah. Yeah. Fascinating. But I don't quite see. My thought was that... We have our first controversy.

I think you lose that. That's obvious. Well, of course Greg would say that, being on the other side of this. You know who else said it? Nick Fortier. I think it's a sandwich that you split down the middle, and Dan and Greg can share half of one half of the sandwich, and I'll take the other half.

It is a tie. Well, how are we going to come up with a sandwich that both Dan and I who like food and you who do not enjoy? Well, we can order two half sandwiches, and then you can split your head. Marriota and Borders will throw more touchdowns. They did not throw more. You're not missing anything.

I don't agree. It's cut dry. It's cut dry, bro. Well, okay, they did not throw less. But that's not what it was. It was thrown more. All right. I'll give you your sandwiches, you have animals.

Ridiculous. I mean, it's like we can't even see that that's an interesting scenario. We talked about it. It's very interesting. It is not, it was not a conversation. It was not a conversation. We did not talk about it. Top three sandwiches.

mark that in your life that you that you like if i don't want the sandwich i don't like the way this played out i just want to know three sandwiches that you like to eat i don't i couldn't name three i mean i couldn't care less about this whole thing this whole thing is built around the desires of you three so forge on with it to eat food the seattle seahawks won't win a playoff game in 2016 i like this one they got a i don't i got a very favorable matchup otherwise it would have been a very good-looking prop right i don't like how it's going to turn it all three of us took you up on that so you could lose three there oh they and then finally this see this one just for style points i'd probably wave the sandwich uh even when we win it there will be no super bowl 51 winner by that is more

of a sure thing than the seattle one how about this so your record looks good but you're about to lose well it's a disaster i'm essentially i'm the lions in detroit in week 13 is what i wait you're about to finish 12 and 13 even stephen that's not even 12 and 13 are not even. 49 and 49 are, and you don't seem to understand that concept either. Well, it wasn't even. Again, we'll throw more, Mark. More.

Lions could win. Not the same amount. I don't like the way. Remember this for the upcoming Oswald. I am going to go back and listen to that recording to see if there was any more context given. Okay. Speaking of even, Stephen, Greg Rosenthal finished 10 and 10.

And this game means more to Greg than anyone else. Let's face it. It scratches an itch if you catch my drip. You're just projecting because I'm doing so much better than everyone that. Well, let's count down. Let's look at the standings. That's what I've, oh, yeah, this week. The Cowboys won't win the NFC East and 26th.

You banged. Mr. Sven Ghali. Hey, speaking of killing segments, the midseason, oh, we don't have anything to do today. Let's just do sandwiches at midseason. We got to get rid of that. Not a good look, Greg. We've got to get rid of that. You cannot.

It's the first time we ever did that. It's a new rule on the show. You cannot try to kill segments in the middle. a podcast unless you have a replacement lined up three times in a row by the way I just mean the mid-season one why because you lost it because that was the worst thing I've ever heard so why is it our fault

that you made a terrible they like doubled down on your stupid eagle's thing why did that come out of your mouth because I remember because I threw something else out that was like too easy that no one took I don't remember what and so I just was trying to be part of the game showing too much you're less accountable than Doug Whaley

Greg oh actually I see what it is and you well we'll get to it okay JPP will have a better season than Mario Williams. This is based on a vote, but, Wes, you are going to waive the vote process and enter this one. I conceded this one at least a month ago, if not even before that, that Mario Williams had disappeared right when Jason Pierre-Paul was starting to have a good season. Mario Williams might even be out of the league next year. JPP is going to get a big contract.

So that's a win for Greg. The Saints or Panthers will make the playoffs. That was the mid-season one, and that's a good memory that, like, you guys, everyone was killing. So they both stunk. Well, no, here's what, here's my point. But every, the whole reaction, this is, I'm just saying for later, the whole reaction was like, oh, oh, you guys are just, you're just playing it safe. You dummy, we'll never take you up on that. You're not even, you know.

So you got goaded into it. That's part of the game? No, my point is, we're stupid. We're stupid. Why? I don't understand why you're so upset about this. I'm lost. I like your fire.

I don't understand. understand what's happening. The Saints or Panthers will make the playoffs. No one took you up on it. Right. Everyone said it was way too obvious that of course one of those teams will make it. That was my point. Okay.

It's not a good look to have a bunch of empty brackets here where no one took you up. The Broncos won't make the playoffs in 2016. We all agreed with you. And they didn't make the playoffs. It was all done. We were plugged in on the Broncos all year. James Winston will finish 2016. This is where you get in trouble.

James Winston will finish 2016 in the top five for passing yards. I don't have the numbers in front of. me, but Nick Fortier has you marked in red, which means a loss. Well, Nick Ford, you know, he did. Dan Mark and Wes get sandwiches. He was the first player ever to throw for 4,000, two-sweet-years, but he only finished 12th. 12. Amazing 4,000 yards.

That's 12th place? Is that right? 4,090. Eli actually went over 4,000, and he's 13th. I mean, that's a future Hall of Fame or, Wes. Four yards at a time, Eli went over 4,000. The Buccaneers and another NFC South team will make the playoffs. Half right.

It's pretty close. Almost, but not quite right. The Bucks could not hold on against the Cowboys in week 15. Or if they just beat the Saints, they would have made the playoffs. The Buccaneers cost you six sandwiches and you knew it as soon as you said it. They got close. All right. Now the old Zusser.

I'm going to be watching Dan's introduction to Dan very closely here. old Zusser, also 14 and 14. Making you also what? What? Even Steven. I was labeled as Even Steven. My current record is 12 and 7. So that is maligning me when it is actually, you are the king even Stephen here.

You have the most wins and losses that are tied. It is you. You're about to be below even, Stephen. I was trying to be nice. But, okay. Larry Fitzgerald will finish with under 88 catches in 2016. Wes and I, that was a little battle. Larry Fitzgerald led the NFL with, I believe, 105?

Seven. And now I will say this. I have no problem losing this bet. I love Larry Fitzgerald, and I still stand behind the logic. You didn't even want to do it. You didn't even want to be against him this year. That was supposed to be an explosive offense with a bunch of playmakers on wide receiver, and then he turned out to be the only one.

How do you predict? You did a great job there. It's worth noting, though, if Dan chooses to predict the downfall of an all-time great next season, go against him. That's true. All right. All right. Here we go.

The Patriots won't have a first round buy in the playoffs. You banged. This is called, this is called. That was the big season one too. It's easy to be with me. No, that was the beginning of the season. Oh, was it? Either way.

Come on. That was an onion hanger. Greg, Mark, and Wes all took me up on it. That was the easiest one. That was the easiest decision I made in all of them. I hope you're pleased about yourselves. I am. Thank you.

The Packers will score over five. Wow. You know what's interesting about this one? That was horrifically embarrassing halfway through the season. and they probably scored about 480 or so, right, by the end of the season? 470, 4.50. The Packers will score over 530 points. 4.30, so they were 100 points shy.

Like three more games away from it. More onion hanging. That's good for fourth in the NFL. It's not like they were bad. And they were probably 20th in the NFL in the beginning of December. So at least they made it respectable. But, yeah, I thought, and a lot of other people thought, that, by the way, see how I'm being fair about what's going on? You're being extremely fair.

The Packers, I thought they would be historic. and they were not. Okay. Now, two AFC West teams excluding the Broncos will make the playoffs. Oh, that's a three sandwich victory. Look at that. Beat Greg, Mark, and Wes. Mm, chomp, chomp, chomp.

That was a great call. Good one. Chompy, chumpy. I still think that any time someone offers one of those kind of sandwich wagers, that you take that every time. That might be the best one. Anyone won. I think that's the best one anyone won.

That's an accomplishment. You win an award. Thank you. Thank you. We'll give you a sandwich. Colts beating the Jets might be the best one in my book. Lamar, you're a mad at me now, Mark. No, not at all.

That is an honest, honest reflection. Lamar Miller will finish 2016 with over 1,500 yards from scrimmage. He did not have a great year. He was kind of banged by his offense a little bit, and he had injuries down the stretch. I think he still finished around 1,300, but I lost Mark and West. Greg did not take me up on it. I do think, and I'm not saying this in any, and I promise you, I'm not saying this is a jab.

It lets jab at the readers and put him in making the leap again for the third time next summer. Speaking of things I got. 1261 yards, less than he had in the previous two seasons. Yeah. I wish Brock Oswald wasn't a train wreck. That could have been a different offense. Ooh,

you almost got this next week. Time to segment kill making the leap. The Detroit Lions will win the NFC North in 2016. Oh, all I needed was a week 17 victory, and I would have had three sandwiches. I like that you have that happening and the Packers scoring 500. 30 points that's true whatever who cares

so close and yet so far cost me three sandwiches from the whole group moving on let's save handsome Hank for last okay moving on Sydney Carlson yes whenever any of us are in trouble we could always depend on the predictions from

behind the glass new money predicted what new money what was your prediction that Ziggy Ansa would lead the league in sacks and here's the thing this was the perfect year to pick someone like a Ziggy Ansah to lead the league. I think all you needed was 14. 15 and a half

Vic Beasley. 15 and a half. It was not usually it's in the range of 18 to 21 in that area but this year was a little on the lower side but how many Sid did Ziggy Ansah finish with? Two whole sack guys. Whoa! That cost you four sandwiches

Yeah, it did. So but here's the thing, you're infinitely rich. So what does it matter to you? Yeah, I typically feel guilty about the producer having to buy food for us at all, but not this time. Yeah, please. Four sandwiches is not enough. Well, who knows?

Well, who knows? He still sends us sandwiches like once every few months, even though he doesn't even owe us to me anymore. That's true. All right. And finally, can we get Handsome Hank on the phone? We've got to discuss a business. He's in his office.

He has a third floor office now. Oh, yeah. You guys aware of that? Oh, yes. Hello. Handsome Hank, what's up? Or Henry Hodgson, excuse me. Welcome to the Around the NFL podcast.

Well, thank you, Dan. That's nice. How are things doing on the third floor? It's good, thank you. I just had my lunch delivered to me, as Mark can attest to. And, yeah, so life's pretty good. All right, so we're going through all the go-get-my-lunch props. And there's one, as anyone that follows us both on Twitter is aware of,

that there's some heat about one of these props, and it was the one that you had this season. It was just between you and I, so let's figure it out. No free agent quarterback, Henry predicted. and that was a group that included RG3, Sam Bradford, Colin Kaepernick, Brock Osweiler, Chase Daniel, and Ryan Fitzpatrick will lead their team to the playoffs.

And luckily for me, Brock Osweiler of the Texans took his team to the postseason. So he took his team to the postseason. Well, he was the quarterback of the Texans. They are in the playoffs. He's starting in the playoff game. So that is a sandwich for me.

He, but he, he was the quarterback when they made the playoffs. He was the quarterback for essentially 90%, 95% of the season. He had a little hiccup with his play. Not specifically when they made the playoffs, though. Well, no, maybe not that one game when he got benched. And now he's, and now he, you say he's playing. What is it matter that he's playing now? He's going to play against the Raiders because he is, because he's the leader of their

quarterback or because the quarterback that they chose ahead of him got concussed so who led who led the Texans to the playoffs Randy Bullock Tom Savage was the starting quarterback when they made the playoffs what is Leeds Savage pulled them out of Osweller's mess against the Jaguars and that's why they're in the playoffs do you guys do you mind if I inject some common sense into this the Texans literally made the playoffs in spite of Brock Osweiler sure in spite of Wes you're not breaking news that Brock Osweiler stinks.

All right, well, I think it's beneath you to take this position. No, here's the thing. This is a lesson for Hank, all right? So, listen, Hank, and I know you probably have the power to fire me. You're delivering messages, a message and a lesson for me. Here's the lesson, okay? Right. When you do sandwich props, and this was your first one,

one of the most important parts of it is the wording of it all. And by saying that no free agent Cuba will lead their team to the playoffs, lead is nebulous and Damashek downstairs sided with me on this and so if it's nebulous how are you claiming a victory because it's nebulous for everyone well I'm saying you but it is nebulous for me I'm saying you're a nebulous viewpoint on it because you don't know exactly what that means

you can't tell me either you I do it means he's on the team in my point I'm looking at it is in my viewpoint he's on the team that's the qualification that Brexton Miller's on the team He's the quarterback. No free agent quarterback will lead their team. He's on the team. He's on the team.

That's all they have to do is be on the team. You're Mr. Nebulous. What do you want from me? I don't really buy into Wes's thing totally that they dragged them to the playoffs, but it doesn't matter. Which actually did happen. They dragged Braves off Brock Hudson. But I don't think it needs to be subjective.

The fact is he was benched and he was no longer the quarterback in the two games, the comeback victory against Jacksonville. and the week that clinched the playoffs. He was no longer the quarterback when they clinched the playoffs. So it's a cut and dry. There's no subjectivity about it. And Greg, more than that, Dan, you know, he basically last week, he capitulated and said, yeah, it looks like you won this one because Brock Osweiler did not lead them to playoffs.

But then suddenly, come Monday morning, when it was announced that Tom Savage would not be able to play in a playoff game, Dan suddenly brings it back up again as though he has a live argument again. Henry is a third floor. Come back to us, man. Sometimes people on the third floor, they get up there because they're a little cunning and sometimes, you know, they do things to get ahead. And in this case, Henry's lying. He's lying straight out.

I said in your office, we will let an independent arbiter decide this. And then you went to Wes, who is out to get Brock Osweiler for the last five months. Who's been more right about Brock Osweiler than me? I suggested it's about me I suggested Damashek He went out to get me Well we'll get to that But you shot that down

Why don't we have a vote of the listeners Of the around the NFL podcast Let them decide That would work for me That will work for me Okay You're being too kind Henry Now even though you have logic

And reason on your side The good news is that You're around the NFL podcast listeners Who are all an incredibly intelligent bunch will have now heard this conversation and we'll be able to make their minds up based on a good argument and one which is spurious

and all over the place. You mentioned, like, sometimes people get to the third floor by cunning and all that. Could you just name some examples? One last thing I'll leave to the listeners before we move on. It was not, who was the quarterback when a team clinched a playoff berth, it was the

quarterback who will lead the team, nebulous term. Into the play. into the playoffs. He was the starter for eight of their nine wins. This is not part of the question. This is your argument. And is now the starter.

It was not which quarterback will lead the team into the bowels of hell. It was playoffs. I mean, that has nothing to do with the prop. You got to separate your feelings about Brock Osloire as a player. As I said in the newsroom, I remember when Trent Richardson led the Colts to the playoffs while he got benched. It's the same thing.

It's a ridiculous position to take, and I appeal to our listeners for common sense. which is missing in half of this discussion. This one has really gotten under West's kids. Because I hate not using common sense. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. You're against Brock Osweiler. The worst quarterback without a doubt in the NFL this season led the Texans to the play out.

Don Elway got it right. An insult to common sense. I hate Brock Osweiler. I'm Wes. You know, come on. You're not independent on this. I think you should probably from here on out. you should be the one standing in Brock Osweiler's corner,

and I hope he ends up being the Jets starting quarterback. He is not a good quarterback, but under the terms of this sandwich prop, I believe I am the winner. But what the listeners decide, and I will, whatever it comes out, I will stand by that. I will say that one of the favorite things on earth is any sort of Henry and Dan Beef. It is fantastic because you think out of the gate that Dan's taking control, and then suddenly Henry starts to throw flaming daggers back at everyone. And then Dan, it's excellent.

Wow, I love it. Henry, speaking of daggers, you threw one at your podcast co-host, Dave Damashek, in a tweet last week when you congratulated us on our 500th show. And then you said that we have the best podcast, which was very nice of you. Thank you. But, of course, that led to a major schism within your ranks. well look i mean i'm as you guys know i'm a huge fan of the podcast i i've been a supporter since day one i i love to listen to every show uh we we you and i talk back and forth about it yeah and i just

was you know i was excited you guys got to number 500 and and i wanted to help you celebrate and dave saw things differently well i mean dave's not happy well he's not happy well we appreciate the support and we are many take it there's four of us yeah exactly And I know that you guys, apart from Dan, apparently, will stand behind me in any conversation I have with Dave about this. No, absolutely. Unless Dave changes his mind, in which case, Dan will stand behind me. Well, there's a chance now, because I brought this up, the anger will transfer to me. And you'll be up the hook, and I will be the one getting frozen out.

I think you're flattering yourself if you think Dave listens to your podcast. Well, no, he hears. It's called Twitter. It's all Twitter. Okay. By the way. All right, I'm done with you. You're done.

That's it. What do you mean? Thank you. Thanks, Amher. on the show. Great speaking to you guys. Thank you for common sense from most of the room. Here's one of the great things about the old Zusser.

I don't care if it's four against one. If I believe in my cause, I'll take you all on. All three of you in here, the Englishman upstairs. I just like, I believe in what I believe. I just enjoyed the inflammatory back and forth between you two. I'm not really bought into who. Again, it's sandwiches. Give me a break.

I just enjoy that Dan created a new sound drop for himself. Here's the great thing about the old Zussing. Put that on the board. Get that one ready. The confusing part is I'm still not sure if you believe the position you've taken. Listen. Little nebulous, isn't it? Hashtag show business.

Let's move on. He says people don't believe in their own take. You want to talk about heat. One of the great all-time heat moments of the show is whenever West challenges Greg's sincerity with something he says, that gets under Greg's skin. Well, I may have been wrong about some of Greg's. positions, but I really am confused as to whether you're taking this position. I feel like as

as soon as this shows over, you're going to forget it ever happened. Maybe, maybe not. Right now I stand by it. Okay. Absolutely. I see you standing by it at this point. Right now. This is like Mark's Bob Costas love. No, that is not accurate, but we don't have time to get into that. All right. Before we

go, speaking of beefs, this is turning into a beef fest, a beefaroni, Mark, you had approached the group and, or at least me, and said, hey, I got something I've got to straighten out with my boss, who is not Greg anymore, but David Ealyar downstairs news editor. And I figured, you know, let's talk it out right here. Get Dave on the line.

Yes. It wouldn't be fair to lob grenades at Dave without him having a chance to answer to it. Nor would I. So let's get, let's call downstairs to the newsroom. Hopefully there's no break. Is there any breaking news right now, Greg? I don't see any now. Okay, so he should be able to talk with us.

This is Dave. Ely, what's up? Dan hands us to the Around the NFL podcast. How you doing, buddy? I'm doing good, man. Just busy, busy old day at the newsroom. I'm sure. I'm sure you're very busy, man.

I'm going to get out of the way here. Mark Sessel would like to speak with you and set something straight. So here's Mark. Well, hi, Dave. I don't, you know, I didn't want this to happen in a way where we would just be up here piling on my supervisor and Wesa's supervisor. That didn't seem like the kosher way to handle this. But a little something happened earlier today

and thought we could discuss that. Okay, yeah. Where are you, by the way, Dave? Can you get somewhere where there's a little bit less background noise? You want me to step away? I'm in the middle of here. I'll turn my TV down.

I'm trying to pay up to the middle live. You were just trying to be professional. A lot of moving pieces going on right now. This is important, though. So here we go. All right, go ahead. All right. So to break it down, and I mean, Ely's been a very fair boss

and, you know, really had no issues on any level with him until this morning when I was tasked with writing a pretty mundane Lion's Seahawks playoff preview, which, you know, it was a nuts and bolts piece to the best I could with it, added a little personality, but came out of it thinking, why not a great time to use a completely different byline than my own name, which, you know, I think it's a completely fair thing to do. I didn't really want necessarily my name attached to it. So I sent it into the

desk and asked them to please assign the name Tammy Kim Grimes. Tammy hyphen Kim Grimes to the post. I believe that was the third iteration of the fake name, right? Well, I went through a couple different names, which I workshoped actually with Dave over our

I am client. So he was aware this wasn't catching him by surprise. Other writers on the thing thought it was a good idea and was forward thinking. And sent it in and that's it did not go well from there yeah well I thought I thought we were just joking around so once I caught wind that you actually serious about this

endeavor I had to kind of put an end to it I mean I have first off I want to make sure that you get the metrics for this bangor that's going to hit the internet on Thursday morning so I'm trying to look out for you numbers why are you holding until Thursday morning he already sent it in you get a whole other day of leadership Greg I'm not sure how you did things when you were in charge.

Wow. There's a plan and a rollout to things and everything like that. So the Saturday games about Thursday, the Sunday games on Friday. Well, one thing I know is that the name on top of the articles didn't really make a big difference. You know, people are either clicking or not. Well, I don't like to hear that particularly from either my former or current boss. I think it's just, it was my choice.

I'm not looking for metrics when I'm saying, make this an article by Tammy Kim Grimes. And, you know, I don't know if you ever heard of someone named Samuel Langhorn Clemens, but he was given full, you know, entree to create a false name for his writing, a pen name, if you will. But I feel a tad stifled by my current supervisor in this dynamic. I'm sorry if you felt my foot was a little too stern. But, you know, sometimes bosses have to make uncomfortable decisions. You have made some excellent points, Ely.

Unfortunately, precedent is working against you in this situation. Throughout the 2013 season under leadership of one Greg Rosenthal, we were permitted to write articles that had on the byline Lyle the Around the NFL intern Yeah Particularly disgraceful content that we didn't want anything to do it Let's just put a you know I mean much like most NFL teams are shaking things up this time of year I mean I feel like maybe there's a need to shake up the around the NFL section and kind of add some A certain level of professionalism that wasn't

Wow Whoa, Greg. I'll now hand this beef over to Greg. It's Beef Fest, 2017, Greg. Is that David Ely or Josh McDaniels with the Broncos? You know, sometimes you got to know what's going to, you know, upset a guy, what's going to make them a little happier to be working, you know. It's called nuance.

Know which battles to pick. Is this really that big of a deal? Do I want to upset such a hard worker like Mark Sessler? Is it worth it? Maybe I could have a little fun in life, much less Tammy Kim Grimes. I believe that we've had plenty of fun in the same. I mean, I just thought that, I mean, this decision has been made. I mean, there's no one from Harris.

Mark Sessler's name will be on that story in bold. I was having fun until I was dismayed to learn that I'm simply a number under your leadership. I thought I said that Mark Sessler was a destination, and I believe that Chris Westing-Haw was a destination. All right. So there's value in that name. And I'llie's defense. all he agreed to come on. Second of all, you have to have a code as a boss

and you have to lay down the rules. What he's doing here, he's saying this is how it's going to be, and the old boss I didn't think was necessarily competent, and I'm changing things. That's how I heard it. I have to accept his ruling. I'm not here to create further controversy. I am slightly disappointed, but I accept it.

Okay. You know, we're going to play aggressive on defense. We're going to attack the sticks. I'm going to try to win some games. All right. Thank you for that day. And we're going to keep Mike Shulles, our offensive. defensive coordinator.

God help, God willing. All right. David Ealy. Thank you for joining us. Have a good one. All right. That's enough navel gazing for one show. But we got to the bottom of it.

You know, again, Mark and Wes, working under Ely. It's a solid dynamic, but also one fraught with a bit of tension. And that again bubbled up today. And then, of course, there's a dynamic of the old boss and the new boss. There's more heat there as well. Much more, I think. It shouldn't be. And I'm just on a perch kind of watching it off.

Or in the middle of the pot stirring it. Potentially. All right. That's it. For Tuesday's edition of the Round of the NFL podcast, remember we will, you know, vote on the prop between Hank and I side with the true common sense, a true common man, the old zooser, from a coal town. Or you could side with a guy that grew up in Oxford, you know.

Is that even true? You know, but this is really isn't about regional. upbringing. It's about the truth and who deserves a sandwich and I believe I do. It took Dan only 59 minutes to get xenophobic on the podcast. The old Zusser

four against one, not a problem. If you believe what you believe. I don't even know where you're getting four against one but let's not stop the myth building at this point. We will be back on Thursday with a preview of the wild card round of the

playoffs. So make sure you check in with us and we might have another old friend join us at some point during the show but thank you to everyone for listening make sure you leave reviews and star ratings on iTunes and hopefully just a little

teaser or we're hoping this will also be on Periscope the Thursday show so keep your eye out for that. Okay until then this is Dan Hansa signing off for Quiet Storm He's the mailman He is the old

boss and new money behind the glass until thursday this is an iHeart podcast