NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Bonus Ep: Last-minute Fantasy Draft Prep with the Fantasy Footballers

Episode Date: August 26, 2023

In a room with one hero - Gregg Rosenthal brings you a bonus episode of Around The NFL. First, Gregg takes us through some of the latest news from around the league (1:00), then we're joined by the one and only Fantasy Footballers (7:05) to talk about Rookies and their brand new Dynasty podcast (10:08) !  Note: Time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast is loyal to football. That's right. Welcome to another episode of the Around the NFL podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal sitting in a totally empty room. There's like no heroes here. I don't even know if I count as a hero today without Mark and Dan. But it's a different sort of.

to show today. It's an extra bonus episode. We're very excited to welcome the fantasy footballers to the NFL media family. They're doing an extra dynasty podcast as part of the NFL podcast. So we're going to have them in here. A little quick get ready for the season fantasy cram session with the fantasy footballers in just a minute. But since I'm here taping on a Friday afternoon. I figured we would hit news very quickly of what we saw Thursday. They get you ready for the weekend. Again, it's a little bonus extra minisode. And I got to start with Anthony Richardson and the Colts. Just some takeaways from the preseason games. A little bit of news. We get to the fantasy footballers. We get you out of here in about 30 minutes. Richardson is

just crazy. Anthony Richardson is box office. I've never been more surprised to look at the box score at the end of a game and see how poorly Anthony Richardson looked in that box score. I know it was six for 17, 78 yards. It sounds ugly. He had some rushing yards. But if you watch that game, you saw so many special attributes that I just can't wait to watch the Colts this year. He made three or four beautiful passes.

He made three or four really head-scratching passes. But it's the running ability that gets you really excited. He is so smooth running. but he's built like Derek Henry and they showed a little of what they're going to do and I'm just so happy he got drafted by Shane Steak and I can't wait to watch Anthony Richardson and the Colts. Reminds me a little bit of Josh Allen

coming out as a rookie but to me, because of the pocket presence and you saw that in this game, that's the one thing about Richardson that's different than most raw rookies. He is really natural in the pocket buying time and moving around. I think he's going to make good decisions. I think he's going to miss a lot of passes.

but this game actually got me more excited to watch Anthony Richardson and we're going to talk with the fantasy footballers a little later of what you should do with him in fantasy drafts. Otherwise, not a lot to take out of that Colts Eagles game. Tanner McKee might get the backup job there. I doubt it. I think Marcus Mariotta makes that team

they keep three quarterbacks. The Steelers and Falcons also played and as the Falcons broadcast crew wanted to remind everyone the backups played for the Falcons and it was hilarious because the Steelers starters just made them look like they shouldn't even be in the NFL. It was 17-0-0 before the first quarter was over 24-0-0 in general.

And my only takeaway here is like, Steelers aren't going to go cheap in your fantasy draft. And next week when you get all the NFL.com predictions and you see all the season predictions from everyone, they are that team this year that a month ago maybe would not have gotten as many predictions to make the playoffs as they will right now. They're going to be that buzzy hype team that Mark's been talking about. about all offseason. He was first on that train, but they've just had a perfect preseason, five possessions, five touchdowns. That's outrageous. Just a little bit of news to clean up before we get to the fantasy footballers. Jonathan Taylor, we know he's available. We know he might

get dealt by Tuesday. That's supposedly the deadline on this move. The dolphins seem to be the team that's really making a push. The reporting in Miami from Barry Jackson and others at the Miami Herald is like they have made a real offer. They are trying to get this done. And I got to say, looking at that kid, Hull, Evan Hull for the Colts, look pretty good. As a running back in place of Jonathan Taylor, maybe they'd feel a little more confident making that move. I think it's more likely than I really ever expected that Jonathan Taylor does get moved by Tuesday. There have been a couple trades. And we mentioned the first two Cardinals trade. on our show on Thursday with Dan and Mark.

But there was another one after we stopped taping. Josh Dobbs is a quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals. And it was for a late round pick swap, a fifth for a seventh. That's nothing. And yet Josh Dobbs might end up starting at quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals. He might start in week one, which is crazy. He knows the system. He had his coach in Cleveland last year is now the offensive coordinator for the Cardinals.

He might start later. in the season, and I do worry a little bit about Mark's boy, Colt McCoy. He has a little over $2 million guaranteed coming to him this year, but bringing in Josh Jobs, unless you want to keep Colt McCoy around as kind of the coach slash player slash mentor that it's good to have in the room, it wouldn't totally shock me if Colt McCoy was cut before the season starts. And Josh Dobbs is your number one starter. Or if Clayton Toon, the fifth round rookie who hasn't even looked that great, but it hasn't looked bad either in the preseason and it's still getting first team reps

alongside Colt McCoy ends up starting. So that is a total mess that the Cardos are possibly getting a starter for a late round pick swap just before the season started. Finally, Terry McLaurin, we learned he might not be ready for the start of the season.

That is really worrisome. Turf To just freaks me out whenever that happens. And just a little bit of an update on the Jerry Judy hamstring injury since we last taped. He is going to be out several weeks which puts week one very much in doubt for Judy.

That gets you cut up, I think, on everything that's happened since we last taped. We're going to get the fantasy footballers in here in just a minute, some last minute prep to get you ready for your fantasy draft. But before we do that, just a reminder, Dan announced it on Thursday. We're not doing the special music today, are we, Randy? No special music today. We got Randy Chavez behind the glass today stepping in for Eric. We don't need special music.

when I'm here, I'm the special music. But NFL Plus is where you can get all your live local games. You can get primetime games. And more importantly, you can get us a couple times a week. We are going to be doing two NFL Plus shows a week, starting during the season. We're going to be looking back at one of the best games of the week. We're also going to do some of the segments that you love that we've done over the years every Thursday. You get game pass with it.

You get the live games, as I mentioned. you get Red Zone, you get NFL Network. It's all there on NFL Plus, and we do appreciate a lot of you guys reached out and said you're already picking it up for us. Try to keep us employed. We have families to feed. And with that, we're going to take a little break.

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Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. All right, we are back. I am excited about this one. It's a different vibe. It's a different Chris Wessling podcast studio today. I am outnumbered. I'm outnumbered by the fantasy footballers. I happen to look at the iTunes ratings.

I'm sure you guys do this. What? I would never. No, you would never look at that. What was at the top? And this is their time of year, but really any time of year, I looked at the ratings, and the fantasy footballers podcast was number one on the sports rating, so we're really excited to have them.

Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright are here. They're doing a new podcast with NFL media, which is the Fantasy Footballer's Dynasty podcast. I believe you're taping one of those today, too, and that's already started getting going, but we're going to talk regular fantasy, dynasty fantasy, welcome. I don't even know who to say welcome to. There's too many. We're happy to be here.

It's exciting. Everyone's undefeated in the fantasy football world, so they're all listening. And it's kind of like it's like a new relationship here. with the NFL. Everyone's trying to look right, you know, everyone combed their hair nice. It's like a first date sort of vibe. Like the real, the real vibes will come out like after like six months or something. Like, yeah, I'll just stop combing my hair. Okay. It'll just get ugly. Yeah, I've got makeup on. Oh, you do? Yeah. I mean, you know, so I'm trying to put my best foot forward here. That is exciting. So that's Jason. I guess it's got to

be hard for you guys who are listening. But to my left, if you happen to check us out on social or YouTube is Mike, right? And we got Andy on the far right, and we got Jason here. And it's your time of year. I used to work at Roder World. And so I know August is kind of the craziest time, the most stressful time, but also the most fun time. It's where you make your bunny.

Yeah, yeah. August is when everybody comes back, all the, you know, we do the show year round, but in August, all the casual people, the people in their home leagues, their work leagues, they all flood back and like, oh, I got to prepare for my draft. It's so much fun, but it's so much work because the content doesn't write itself. You know, once the season kicks off, it's like, we're just talking about what happened or what's about to happen. Now it's like we've got to talk about so much. It's crystal ball time.

It's the time to look into the future. Like, who's the best out of you guys? Is one of you better at fantasy? Well, how do we define that? I would just define it by who's the most recent champion in our main league. That's, that would be. Not a total amount. I would do total championships for our league of record.

That's how I would do it. Yeah, and I would do recent. So basically Andy is the worst. Yeah, I'm right in the middle. All right. So we're going to talk today. You guys are doing the Dynasty pod. And the most intense fantasy league I ever was in with the best competition was a Dynasty

League back in the day. And for our listeners that don't do Dynasty, that's a league where you, it's a keeper league where you basically keep your players forever and you have rookie drafts. And everyone has different variations. So that is going to be a really cool podcast. I thought we would maybe structure our conversation today around rookies. because rookies are kind of the lifeblood of dynasty. So we'll talk redraft and dynasty,

but just coming off last night, for instance, Anthony Richardson looked great. That to me is like maybe the number one question with the rookie, certainly the rookie quarterbacks. I'll start with you, Mike. Sure. Dynasty-wise, I'm curious too, but redraft. Now that we know he's actually playing week one,

like where is he on your, like, Lamar Jackson as a rookie to Trevor Lawrence as a rookie continuum. Well, that's interesting. Because, I mean... Because, like, Lamar, not enough people took high enough in their fantasy guys. It was ultimately under value. So his sophomore.

Or sophomore year. Yeah, it was like, if you're comparing rookie Lamar, that's more of how I think that the Anthony Richardson, his first year, is going to go. I think it's going to be tough. Like, for him to translate that inaccuracy, that he had in college he just he's he is a raw prospect but I mean the all the tools are

there that you especially for fantasy like if if you're in fantasy you should be hyped for like how high what how high so if we're talking redraft I think his ADP he's going like quarterback 11 I think oh right around 11 I think that's it's fine that the hard part for Richardson though is like are you going to get rookie Cam Newton or are you going to get rookie Lamar, which Lamar... That would have been a better, Paul. I'm not talking games play, but like, Lamar, once he finally started,

it was, he won games for the Ravens, but it was not pretty. The fact that Lamar went from that as a rookie to the MVP the next year was pretty absurd. So I'm on the side of, I like taking him in redraft, but

you almost have to have a backup plan. And I don't want to leave my draft usually with two quarterbacks, if I'm, of course, I'm in a single quarterback league. So that's That's where it becomes a... Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the Gino Smith plan.

Yeah, that's really what it has become on our show. Anthony Richardson and Gino Smith pair perfect together. Because I think it's going to take a little bit of time for Anthony Richardson to get good. If you look at like Josh Allen's rookie year and he's, he's probably the best comp because he was very inaccurate as well, but a physical freak. And the first half of his rookie season, he didn't run that much, he wasn't good for fantasy, got injured. week and he came back. Oh my gosh, he was so good for fantasy. And I think the second half of the year for Anthony Richardson will be good. I think he's talented. But Gino Smith costs you nothing.

You can get him late in the draft as your second quarterback. And then I believe he opens the year with the Rams and the Lions as matchups. So it's like, yes, please, I'll start Gino those two weeks while we wait and let Anthony Richardson kind of figure out NFL speed. This is the friendliest Gino Smith podcast on the plane. These two guys are just like fully in the Gino Smith camp. Yeah, he's the most accurate quarterback last year. Yeah, as you can see. I mean, for me, it was more like a seven to eight year long. I wouldn't call it a bit because I believed it that they did him wrong and that he was better than everyone. Like for that to come it is weird that that's true. You're in your nine through 10th season doing the podcast. That is

essentially my version of winning the Super Bowl is just making my co-host miserable talking about Venus. Nice. Yeah, I mean, to get back to the rookies like you talked about the Accuracy, like Justin Fields' rookie season, wasn't one to watch. I mean, even players like Andrew Luck, bad accuracy as a rookie, you're hoping to roll the dice and get a better-than-average quarterback at that stage in your draft. Because that's how you win, right? The value quarterback that has a high upside, trying to cash in on the rushing prowess, you're making that bet, and at least you don't have to spend up on Richardson.

It'd be nice if Jonathan Taylor was behind him. and running interference so he doesn't have to do everything. Almost like you're hoping for, you're hoping for Cam Newton, but if you got RG3's rookie year, that was pretty awesome. That was pretty good off the top too, and good passing.

I guess I probably would be that person that takes him early because I just, man, it's just sort of the eyeball thing watching him run the ball that is there like a 50% chance he breaks the all-time record for rushing yards by a quarterback in a season? Maybe that's high.

You guys think that's high? I think that's pretty high. I don't know. Because Fields is still playing. I guess you have to like keep, you have to hold onto the ball and make first downs and you have to score points on paper to get there. But just the actual running ability and the willingness to do it,

to me, he could be better than field. Yeah. That's the magic sauce for fantasy. Like if you can run the football, you're going to overlook the accuracy numbers as a rookie. You're going to overlook, you know, the total yardage because you run the football, it's a cheat code. So you take him way ahead of Young and Stroud, even in Dynasty?

Oh, yes. I do. Yeah, I think so. I think because you're shooting for league winning upside at the position over a long duration. I mean, the people that ended up with the Justin Fields in Dynasty or Josh Allen in Dynasty, you know, you're not aiming for middle of the pack, so I would. Yeah, I don't mind it. I think Bryce Young's going to be a good pro, though. I mean, I think that's going to come to fruition.

Yeah, I'm a Stroud guy. I had C.J. Stroud is my number one quarterback, and it's going to take him... In Dynasty, just because, like, I like taking the shot on Anthony Richardson. I think it's a good bet, because if it pays off, versus if Stroud pays off, he's, like, top three is probably not there. He can just be, like, a top 10 type of guy with regular consistency, or Richardson could be a top three fantasy quarterback, but I'm more on the side of we got a long way to go. before that happens. Yeah, I enjoyed watching that game and my son's there watching

and I'm just like, man, this guy's going to change the league and then I looked at the box score after the game. Was it 6 for 17 or 17? I was just like, how is that possible? I swear that's the best player I've ever seen. So you might get a little bit of that. In my mind, maybe he's like he could have a Daniel Jones type of season. Like, Daniel Jones had about as little as you could ask for last year

passing and still enough running to make up for it. Let's talk to the running backs. How high do you go with Bijon Robinson? was sort of on the corner that because we did a fantasy show last week we're not experts we do like one big show a year now two big shows a year now that we got you guys here uh and i i was surprised he's going at the end of the first round to me like that there has to be a chance that he's rb one at the end of the year on that team so to me that gives him like maybe after mccaffrey he's a top five uh overall type of pick is that too excited no that's not too excited he's so good he's i mean he's

like obviously he's he's one of the best talents one of the best prospects we've seen in a long long time and every step of the way he just keeps like proving it and you know is like he was supposed to be when he came into college then he dominated then he was supposed to be drafted high's top 10 then you you look at him at camp he's dominating making these absurd plays then you see him in the first preseason game you're like he's just different than everybody and and when I look at fantasy it's like okay yeah there there are other more known commodities that are still great players in the first round. I don't have any problem if you want to say,

I'd rather have Nick Chubb because he's such a great running back and I know what I got. But I think if you said, who has a higher chance to be the number one overall consensus pick in next year's draft? Yes. Is Bejohn? Bejohn has a good chance to be next year's number one.

So let me draft him before he's next year's number one. I don't have any problem with anybody who would take him one-on-one in this draft. Personally, he's probably, I wouldn't take him over Justin Jefferson or Christian McCaffrey, but he's in debate right there at three. He was drafted in Jason's heart long ago. Oh, yeah.

Number one overall. We have a special audio drop on the footballer's main podcast called the Bijon Minute because Jason has just been salivating. He works him into every show. He also got drafted by the Falcons. He also got drafted by a team that took over an offensive. line that was like that's the bad part of their team and then by the end of last year people are talking about like Chris Lindstrom might be the best guard in the league and they're giving

out extensions and they have all their guys back so it's it's maybe the best running attack in the league and you add up to that it was it was bizarre that the Falcons looked at their team like we really need to upgrade at the running game you know you got the rest of your team that you should probably worry about and you have a rookie that just broke your your rookie record for your team on the ground I think part of it is just the confidence in like you know obviously winning football teams, those running backs end up with great scoring opportunities. Bejohn is going to get so many touches, but McCaffrey's on a team. We have more confidence in their, you know, their win-loss record. Eckler, more confidence in the win-loss record. You know, Bejon's going to have so many

chances, and you hope the passing game work is there, and the ball is relatively near him when it comes off of the hand of Desmond Ritter. I mean, last year I went to bat for Kyle Pitts, and then I have turned on that take because it just became a relentless exercise in watching a man get open and then watch the ball not laying knee and he's got a wingspan he can get out and get the ball and they still couldn't throw him you know they could mariotto couldn't get it near him it became very difficult to watch that and so that was hard as a father who suggested to his daughter to draft right every week i'm just like just keep him in your lineup it's gonna it's gonna He was open.

I mean, pretend fantasy points he led the league in ones that should have happened. But it's hard. And so this is me finding some reason to dislike Bijon would just be, you know, Tyler Alger broke the rookie record for Atlanta running a football of 150, 175 chances this year. You know, do you miss an opportunity here and there for Bijon around the goal line on a team that doesn't have as many? I don't know. Jason would never concede a point. Right.

The interesting thing to me, and this is where I'm showing my age in terms of when I was writing fantasy and into fantasy, is Bijan versus Jamar Chase and Devante Adams? And people are just smarter now to take wide receivers that high. It took like 10, 15 years for people to catch up to that. That I could understand that argument, but to me he would be my no longer than RB2. So I'm with you, Jason.

Where would Gibbs be, Jamar Gibbs be? And is he definitely just thinking Dynasty too? I just assume Bijan sort of the 101, right now, but is Gibbs definitely the second running back in this class? And then where is he, you know, more importantly for people drafting redraft? Sure. Dynasty, easily, the running back to he, I think in most drafts it was, if you had 102, it was a little bit of a difficult decision.

Do you take Jackson Smith and Jigva wide receiver of the Seahawks? Or do you look and be like, man, I really have a running back need. And Jemir Gibbs or Richardson was. Am I crazy? He wasn't going up? No, not in a two quarterback, yeah, for sure. But Gibbs is just because his magic power is catching the ball. And if we get the workload that they wanted for D'Andre Swift,

they just couldn't keep him on the field. If you actually get that, you're talking 60-plus receptions, 120-something carries. And even though David Montgomery is there, Jemir Gibbs is just he is a truly, truly, special player. You look at the rookie season for Alvin Camara when he had Mark Ingram. Right. And both those players in that rushing offense were top fantasy options at running back. And that's the template that you set out for Jemir Gibbs in my

opinion because, you know, there's going to be a really good offense. He's going to have tons of opportunities. And for a dynasty, longevity, like the running back position in dynasty is almost a mirage that you'd have a guy you could lock in to your lineup. You think you do? You put them in there and then you wait like two years. And then you're like, they disappear. But if you catch the ball, you know, Camer's been relevant for this is a seventh season, Echler, longevity there that we have confidence in, you know, you can't put them ahead of Bejan because Bejohn is going to catch the ball too, but Jamir Gibbs is high draft capital. Especially this year, they want to, they want to prove everyone wrong that it was a bad

pick that they reached for the pick and the way they talk about. No doubt. No doubt. That celebration at the draft? Right. That could, holy crap. That could be something in terms of opportunity. And I'm not a David Montgomery believer in general, so to me he'll just be kind of mediocre, and that'll help Gibbs get more. Do you have a strong number three, Jason? Strong number three for rookie running backs. So coming into the draft, my number two, it wasn't Gibbs before the NFL draft. It was Zach Charbonnet. I just absolutely freaking think he's so good. He can catch the ball. I like you the best because we agree the most. He can catch the ball. He can move the pile. Unfortunately, stupid Pete Carroll.

You've got to ruin things for fantasy football and take them because you've already got Kenneth Walker. You've ruined two good players. It's great for the Seahawks. Seahawks fans, I'm happy for you. No, we're not. Well, no, I'm not. No, I'm lying. I'm not actually happy for you.

I'm very selfish and upset. But he is still the guy that I think I leave in that spot just based on talent. So there's not a clear number three to me because at number three you could go a lot of different ways. Kendra Miller is, you know, a player that I think is, is worthy of that spot. There's, you know, so many great running backs that I like this season at the rookie position. One that just went down that you love. I was going to say I've been a big fan of Devon A-chain.

He's small, and so he gets knocked for, oh, he's going to get injured, and then he gets injured, and you're like, okay, I shouldn't have gone in on the small guy. But Gibbs is a small guy, too. he's under 200 pounds. He is. He's not A-Chain small, but he is a bit smaller. Tank Biggsby. So I've got a take here. And this is where, you know, you combine the real football, fantasy. And I think they drafted Zach Charbonnet because they don't really see Kenneth Walker as that guy. So this is one of those things. I try to wait to look at average draft position until right before we do this show. Because having worked in the industry and stuff, like some things will just seem weird to be.

And seeing Charbonnet go so much lower than Walker, I look at their, two profiles and I think like they partly drafted Zach Charbonnet because Kenneth Walker is not really that dude because he's not consistent in terms of like getting four or five six yard carries that Pete Carroll likes and he's not that guy on passing downs and so I look at that situation and this would be my tip and you guys could disagree that like to me Charbonnet's at the end of the year I would guess is 1A and Kenneth Walker and one B and you guys are right that it's kind of a drag that they bring each other down but especially because Walker might get hurt. anyways, it would not surprise me, especially in week one with Walker having missed a lot of time,

that Charbonnet is getting a lot of work on a pretty good offense. Yeah, it's really, it's scary for Kenneth Walker because, like, so when we do our rankings, we don't just like make a list of guys and order them and say, I like this guy more than that guy. We actually stat out every single player on every single team and let what we believe the actual projections for the season are going to be dictate what our rankings are. And I have those guys 10 spots apart. They're not that far apart in my actual statistics. And the reason is because for fantasy,

the two most valuable things are catching the ball and scoring touchdowns. And those are what Zach Charbonnet does. You know, Kenneth Walker's going to break off some awesome runs. You know, he'll be highly efficient, big plays between the 20s. But if they get down by the goal line and they put Charbonnet in, that's going to hurt Kenneth Walker a lot. And if you're in a two-minute drill and it's Charbonnet, I mean,

Charbonnet's so good. I just love them. Yeah, the Kenneth Walker is... Do you two want to be alone or... Yeah, we need to take it out of here. It's a real wild card because Walker, he, I agree. He had some inefficiencies of, like, you often get zero yards. Right.

At the goal line, wasn't very efficient. Did not get in a lot, despite the fact that I think he had 100% of Seattle's goal line carries throughout the entire season. You would have expected more touchdowns. But he does have home run ability. And the Seahawks are just a real wild card of we had this exact same team, this exact same head coach. Just a few years ago, you had Chris Carson, basically one of the last picks of the NFL draft, and had himself a really strong season.

You're like, oh, Chris Carson, this looks great. He's interesting going into next year. I bet Seattle addresses real needs on this team elsewhere. The offensive line is a – no, first round Rashad Pins. And it was, well, now everything history has told us, first-round running backs succeed. Like first-round rookie running backs are almost always not just good, great for fantasy football. And then Chris Carson kept the job. So that's the real wild card of a lot of the beat reporters out of Seattle.

They're all saying, it's still going to be Ken Walker's job. He missed some time. He had the groin injury, right? Yeah. Yeah, so he had an issue, but he came back and he went right back into being number one. There was no, like, well, maybe Charbonnet is going to get the first. No, it was back to Ken Walker. So at his ADP, I think it's risky and fragile, but the upside is still tremendous,

even though I'm with Jason of, like, we were both very infatuated with Charbonnet throughout the draft process. Yeah, the Seahawks are always throwing Kurt. They're always up to no good. I remember Thomas Rawls. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he rambled his way to some success for a year. Before we let you go quickly, we'll talk receivers, but we'll go through it quick. We got to look, the fantasy footballers is their time of year.

They're doing a fantasy show. I think they're talking with Marcus and Florio on our fantasy show, and then they're doing the fantasy footballers dynasty show, which everyone should check out. Do you just have a favorite between Addison Flowers, JSN? I guess we could throw Quentin Johnston in there, but I feel like just where he is on the dead. step chart. Maybe he's not quite in that tier. Maybe even Jaden Reed, who's probably a week one

starter. Do you have a favorite rookie? We'll go around and start with Mike. It's Zay Flowers for me. I mean, Jordan Addison's a really close second for me, but what my belief in the transformation that the Ravens offense will see with Todd Monkin as the offensive coordinator, not only going into 11 personnel, not only going into a more pass-heavy offense, but also up-tempo. which is the complete opposite of what we've had for the Ravens, you know, in the last whatever, forever. So I'm really interested in what their offense is going to do. And then the fact that you, Lamar's being drafted as a top five quarterback,

justifiably so. And Zay Jones or Zay Flowers is his wide receiver won, but he's going in like the ninth round. So it's a weird thing of looking at the ADP market of, well, if this is going to be a great prolific quarterback one, top five quarterback, it would stand to reason. Of course, Mark Andrews is the number one target, but like the wide receiver won

if you can figure out who it is, it could be absolute fantasy gold and what Zayflowers has put on the field in preseason. That's my... Training camp, too. He's one of those guys at the reporters. People are whispering. Whispers. Antonio Brown.

I agree. Look, I'll jump in real quick. JSN is still at the top of my list. What if he misses four weeks? Well, I'm taking the long view here. He's the most talented of the players. He's going to have, he's one of those players that I think people want to find, you know, Metcalf and Lockett's still talented, still on the

field, but talent wins out in the end. And that's the challenge of these like, you know, even like Charbonnet, for example. Like, he's going to get ranked someplace at the beginning of the year, but fantasy championships might be one over the last 10 weeks or the last eight weeks of the year. So his fantasy ranking now

versus what his value, his value is at the end of the year, it changes. I still think JSN got drafted there for a reason, And this is a player that, you know, Chris Olavay and Garrett Wilson heralded as better than they were at Ohio State. So I still think at the end of the year and in Dynasty format, he's the guy I'd prefer. Yeah, for me, it's pretty easy. If we're talking about a Dynasty League, it's JSN. He is the best player.

He's a special, special talent. But if we're talking about redraft is Jordan Addison. You have, he's so talented. He reminds me a lot of Devontas Smith, a smaller guy, but just completely ready for the NFL. Such a good route runner. Bolitnikoff Award winner, really talented player. But then he goes to an opportunity this year for redraft where it's like, you have a pass-happy offense

with a bad defense where Adam Thielen, who just ran the third most routes of the last decade is gone. And it might take him a week or two to get into that role. Maybe he starts third on the depth chart week one, week two. But I love Jordan Addison this year. I think he's going to finish the season helping people win championships. You remember when Justin Jefferson was the wide receiver for a couple of weeks? I like Addison a lot just the way he moves and flowers.

I can't really decide. I can't decide between those two. But it's crazy how wide receivers, how that's changed. Why not both? Sure. Right. Like rookie wide receivers used to come in the league and they would always get overdrafted in fantasy. That was one of those things that like we'd trot out on our like column right before the season of like tips and stuff like that.

And like football changes. That's no longer the case. If anything, they show up even better. One last thing, though, just as someone who's been in a podcast for a long time with a couple of other guys, like, how do you guys keep the relationship fresh, you know? Oh. You know, just take a time. Or do you all, like, hate each other now?

No, no, we really, we get along. I mean, I think that's part of the secret sauce of our, we just are who we are. We've been friends for a decade. We've worked together in a former business. And, you know, I think we give each other enough crap that that's what, keeps the love alive. Yeah, I mean, we don't pull any punches. All of our biggest actual fights in our lives,

interpersonally, have been around Jason's bad takes. Well, that's what you want. If it's not getting personal, then if it's just about the takes, that's good. It's not too bad. I think Jason is right. We can give each other crap all the time, but you can all, all three of us can handle it. Yeah.

When you're like, oh, yeah, I deserved it that time. Yeah, that's fantasy. That was justifiable. Yeah. I feel like ours. We just ride the roller coaster. That's right. It's going to be ups.

It's going to be downs. But the fantasy footballers are a great podcast to check out. A lot of you probably are already checking out, but they have a new one with NFL media, too, called the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty podcast. So you can check that out. We're happy to have you aboard. And we'll get to some free food, maybe up in the... All right. We had some tasty burgers already.

There we go. There you go. All right. And that's it for this week. This was an extra little bonus episode. We will be back on Monday recapping all the preseason action. And then the wheel really starts going. It's going to be fun.

Our around the AFC, NFC next week, we start previewing and giving award prediction, season prediction. So it really starts going next week. Until then, for Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike Wright. I'm Greg Rosenthal. Eid the call. This is a lot of it. an IHeart podcast.