NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Bonus Episode: ATN Origin Stories with Neil Reynolds

Episode Date: October 28, 2023

In a London studio full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, and Marc Sessler sit in on Neil Reynolds show 'Neil Meets" and chat about the history of the Around The NFL Podcast. The heroes talk about how they all first met (06:45), their favorite ATN moments (11:30), they remember and pay tribute to Chris Wesseling (16:15), talk about their favorite personalities met over the years (22:45) and the growth of the NFL from a global standpoint (26:45). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast is huge in England and other surrounding territories. Hi, everybody. It's Around the NFL. A special edition of Around the NFL. I'm Dan Hansis, joined by Mark Sessler. We were in England earlier this month, as many of you know, listeners, doing our annual trip there. We've done five trips.

to England now as part of the around the NFL podcast and connecting with our great listeners overseas and Mark, part of our latest adventure was a trip to Sky Sports and their studios there in London and meeting with a good friend of ours, Neil Reynolds, the anchor of the NFL coverage for Sky Sports. And we got to do actually something pretty special with him, a sit down with Neil. Yeah. I don't think we've ever done anything and like it before. And Neil was kind of like the perfect host for it. We cycled back through the 10 plus years of doing our show. And the reason I say that I think he's an ideal person to host it is that like our relationship with England is this incredibly special, strange and unexpected aspect of the around the NFL podcast.

Because, you know, when we started it, we're just like, we just want to talk football together. And we thought maybe We'd have some, like, gibronies from, like, Chicago and L.A. and, you know, surrounding parts into it. And then we have this, like, massive group of people from London, UK, and beyond. And it's like, this connection is the most special part of what we do. And Neil's always been a friend to us, an ally, someone that whenever we've gone over there, we've been on Sky Sports a bunch, hung out with Neil, had dinners with Neil. So I thought this was a really interesting half an hour to go through the lineage, the history of not only the three of us, but also Chris Wesleyan, of course, and everything that happened over the past

decade plus. Yes, it was a really nice conversation with Neil, who we go way back with, and he's always been really great to us as well. So we were comfortable talking with him. And even though it's, you know, it's about us and about our show. And we talked about internally, whether we wanted to kind of amplify this on our podcast. Ultimately, I think we all were happy with how the conversation came out and obviously we are so blessed to have the loyal listeners that we do in England and the UK and as you said Ireland, Germany, Australia, Scotland. I mean, you could go on and on and on with the sport that we have overseas and we're very lucky.

So we touch on that and other things and yes, get into how Chris Wessling affected our show when he's with us and how we still think about him. after he has moved on. So let's throw it now to that conversation with Neil Reynolds and we'll see you on Sunday night for the flagship program. Welcome to a very special edition of Neil Meets. I've met Odell Beckham Jr. in the past few months.

Justin Jefferson, Brock Purdy, but this is the one. This is the one, a room filled with heroes. Can I take your line, Dan? Greg Rosenzell, Dan Hanses, Mark Sessler, the around the NFL podcast heroes. straight out the gate, stealing your lines. Pulling back the veil, Neil here that we did our preview episode on our podcast, and I was sitting in your spot, and you were sitting here.

And I could tell just like, you're seething with anger that I would dare touch your territory. So now you've put me in my place, and now you've humiliated me on your network. So congratulations. Greg and I are good little boys, and we'll go along with this longstanding bit between the two of you. It's gone on a while, hasn't it? I think it's probably enough. Although, to be fair, some of the bits on your podcast, they run and run. They don't die.

They're funnier as they age. And I'm happy that O'Dell is a warm-up act for us. Absolutely. So we're going to talk about your journey from when you first became NFL fans all the way through your early years at the NFL to what you are now is. Podcast powerhouses. It just heads up near like Greg has opted to be directly in our eye lines. I can't see you. I'm not going to be like sitting down.

I already am like a mini-mic McDaniel at that. So what am I going to do? I'm just checked. So if you're, I'm not comfortable sitting back. So if you put your backside up against the back of the check, could your feet not touch the ground? Wow.

Look at that. Wow. It's already gone in this direction. Checking. Yeah. I'm just checking. Now there's a side. Right.

So as the host, Dan, you respect. I was uncomfortable for the first minute or so there. Yeah. You kind of took a dig there at Greg, though, and he's a friend of mine. So now you've made things really awkward for everyone. It's going to be interested in 25 minutes. I'm just glad after 10 years. I'm a friend of dance.

Yeah, there you go. There's progress. I took that. Right, we're going to talk about football growing up. Mark, give me a football memory. What kind of was something that stands out that you're really passionate about the game early on? It was a different time. I, like, find it interesting that we had practices five nights a week of two hours of contact.

And I'm in, like, you know, like fifth grade. And the coach was, would. I think he meant more your relationship with professional. Oh, I tell you were talking about. My career. No. No, I actually used it. You had no career. The coach would call us ladies. He's like, come on ladies to try to jazz us up. You couldn't do that today. So I learned the rough and tumble way about the game. And then when I started to watch the NFL, I was like, I'll apply this to my career and none of it applied at all. I couldn't translate it at all and just became a football watcher. I put some questions down here. I knew it would just all go out the window. I think it would be within three minutes.

I remember going to see Doug Flutie, the first game I ever went to. And I only went to a few games at Foxborough Stadium because my dad was more into basketball and baseball. But we went and we saw Patriots Colts 1988. Patriots weren't a great team back then. But Doug Flutie ran an end around to win the game with about two minutes to go. and I was hooked in that place, went freaking crazy. There weren't actually even seats there. It was all bleachers.

It was one of the worst stadiums ever, and just the excitement in that stadium. And even when they would only win six games a year, it was like each one of those wins felt like it was like, I don't know, like winning a postseason series or something. It was such a big deal that I was hooked. That for you? Yeah, my first Jets game, you know,

it was October 1988. And my dad, who's, you know, grew up, the Namath guy, never even warned me as a child, like, hey, this is going to be bad. Like, just a heads up, like fandom with the Jets is very difficult and painful, and you're going to have your heartbroken and ripped out in ways that you can't even imagine. And week one this year is another example of that. But the, we were, it was Chiefs, Jets in a downpour at old giant stadium. And I remember Freeman McNeil inside the 20-yard line fumbling in overtime to ensure a 17-17 tie.

and it's just feeling really unfair as an eight-year-old and then realizing that the fact that they tied the game was kind of a win for the Jets. So kind of like I learned it would even get darker in the future. So that's my introduction to Jets' fandom and torture was a 17-17 tie in the rain. I think my career retrospective was maybe a little more meaningful. Well, I think as you will go through the development of the podcast

and how much it's grown, you're the only one who's played the game out of the country. That's what I like to remind them. Must bring you closer to the... It actually gets them on the same island against me very quickly because I don't think they buy into it on any level. It really is remarkable, Neil, that we're doing a television show right now, and you asked him to share an early memory as like an NFL fan and he started talking about when he was

an eight-year-old playing... I mean, intentionally, that's like... Me and my son kind of practice flag football, you know, out near this... That's about the same level of football that Mark as playing. So I guess I'm a player as well. ...free practices on that team that I was on. Just as a rough and humble outfit. Just as an aside, I caught your single on that monitor, Dan.

This studio hasn't seen hair like that in years. I'm just going to say it's just different level. I would say it's your hair people here at Sky, but this is how I woke up, actually. It's all your own work. Fantastic. So how did you guys all meet? When did you first all meet, Greg? Well, they knew each other before I came aboard at the NFL.

I was hired. I was working at a place called Pro Football Talk, and I came over, and these guys were there. We were actually at the NFL scouting combine, I think, when I first... We met first there. Met Mark, and that was a good introduction to Mark, because most of the time on league events has been out at bars, like the scouting club. It was organized to meet up with Greg. It was coming to the NFL.

I had joined, I think, a year plus before. I was working for a terrible corporation. I won't even say the name. I don't know if they're attached to this corporation on level, but it was... Not football related. No, not at all. It was like a terrible job, but it paid. paid well because it was so terrible.

And so the NFL, I found it was hiring to a friend. And I started as a three-day-a-week editor making what essentially like a high school student would make. About a month later, Dan showed up, who you came across from the East Coast. And I taught Dan how to use the computer system. I think that... He's been teaching me ever since. Yeah, it's like... What year was this?

When are we looking at? In the summer of... 10. Yeah, 2010. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's... Yeah, we both started as part-timers three days a week, maybe a little old.

than most people that take that position, but I guess it was the allure of the NFL, and then we got opportunities once we were in the door. We just hung around. So what was it like the early days trying to get the footing of the podcast established in the NFL? It was difficult. When I moved out to Los Angeles, Chris Wessling,

our great friend moved out at the same time, and the four of us were working on what it amounted to a blog, a news blog writing. writing and our bosses at the time when we suggested doing this podcast there was a studio there for rich eisen wanted no part of it thought it was a complete waste of time kept that opinion going for about four to five years even as the the numbers started rolling in they didn't understand what that was but he they had a rule initially that like well it was all extra we're like we're not asking for anything we're just doing extra it's like well if you leave someone on the desk

that's still working, writing up, you know, that I'm trying to think of... Percy Harvin got injured. Yeah, Percy Harvin missed practice. Then it could be okay. So at first, one person would be at the desk and we would call that person on the podcast and say hello. But that didn't last long, and we just started doing whatever we wanted. Yeah, I mean, it's Greg's origin story only starts with Greg.

But we started a podcast, Mark and I, before Greg's arrival, called the ATL Debate Club, which originally was a column that we wrote like. It was like a he said, he said. Yeah, another thing that wouldn't exist. Yeah, and we, I remember going into Carmen, one of our bosses at the time, her office and saying, you know, we wanted to try this in podcast for him. And Dave Damasek, who we owe a lot to, had put our mini debate club. It was like a 10, 12 minute show on the back of his program.

And so, like, we were kind of doing it without anybody even paying attention. It wasn't even technically our show. And then we were able to kind of spin that out into our own. show. And then when Greg and Chris arrived, then we turned it, it kind of turned into the ATN podcast. But yeah, it was, it took a long time for the people in that building to actually catch up to what we, the progress that we were making. Like, I remember it took me a long time to even get like a full-time job there. And like what I was essentially warned when they gave me the job, like this is, you're not being hired to do a podcast. Like it's not about the

podcast. And I remember just shaking my head and thinking to myself, you have. have no idea what you're talking about. Everything is about the podcast. And it was. It's true. And that's our jobs. We do other things with the company that are important, but it's the pod that I think has made us, you know.

We have to wait for those people to end up leaving the company. Yeah. Okay. To really matter. I would say one thing that like we felt like we became friends quickly and we would go out to have beers after work sometimes. And I remember a night that we were walking around this park with like cans of beer and talking about, like, the debate club and the show

and being like, we can't give up on this. Like, this is the thing. And you, Dan, always had that very strong vision for it. And there were, I do think that when the four of us got together, it felt different. I love, we love doing our thing together, but if something clicked. But I will say, if you go back and listen to those early episodes, our voices are quiet.

Like, we're just, our inflection was different. We have no experience. Especially, and I, like, like, Wesleyan's first ever a couple of appearances. Like, none of us had done it before. Right. And so it was, like, really raw, and it took a lot of time to figure it out, but you kind of just knew from the beginning it kind of felt right, you know? So you've covered a lot of events, a lot of games, both sides of the Atlantic.

Let's go around all three of you, maybe a favorite game or a favorite event that you've really enjoyed. Greg, let's kick us off. I mean, there's so many. Yeah, it's tough on this one. Patriot Super Bowl wins to choose from. Well, I don't know. There you go, then. I mean, it's got to be, to me, Patriots Seahawks.

Before we started, actually, Saints Colts always say was one of my favorite moments of all time when Tracy Porter made that interception and I looked over and the Jaguar's owner was right next to us in the media box and he was so mad because he hated the Colts so much of that one. But the feeling I had when the Seahawks had gotten to the two-yard line in that Seahawks Patriots and were all in there together. And at that point, it had been arguably the greatest 10-year run any team had ever had win loss-wise and consistent success. And the Patriots hadn't won a single Super Bowl in that 10-year time. And they had lost two heartbreakers, obviously, in the Super Bowl. And that feeling of it's all, they're going to lose it right here. And then the flip in one second, to me, the greatest play in the history of football, Malcolm Butler. Nothing tops that.

It's great to see history. When you're watching something you know it's going to be talked about. You knew the second they had you could almost not believe that that had actually just happened. Yeah, I think being at Super Bowls is still to this day, I still like when it comes time to go to the game, like growing up just loving the NFL, it's so incredible to be kind of the center of like the pop culture universe. So, like, being around, even though, as a Patriot hater, like, some of those great games, 283, Malcolm Butler, even though in the moment is like, ugh, like, now you remember, oh, you were there. It's part of history, you know? And, like, I remember, like, seeing the Giants Patriots, too, with that ending with the Hail Mary, like, picturing that ball in the air, where Brady tossed it and Gronk just missing it. That great Eagles win over. The Pats as well sticks on me. But, you know, the first time we came to London, with, with Wes as a group, and it was, I think, I think James Winston through five interceptions in that game. They turned out of seven times.

Yeah, it was, it was horrendous, but just like that whole week, it was such a whirlwind and being in that stadium and seeing how, how, first of all, this community here, the football community here in UK and, as I say, the surrounding territories, has always been so kind to us, but then seeing, looking at the crowd and not looking like any other football crowd where it was everyone repping their own colors and their own team. It wasn't a typical crowd. And then, you know, getting interviewed on the big screen. It was just like that to me, it was like, oh, we made it. Like we're here and this is a whole new ball game here. Yeah, I think I was kind of cycling through some of the same things about that Seahawks Patriots Super Bowl.

It came after Deflate Gate and there was a moment when, you know, teams are coming out of the tunnel and it was thunderously loud. And I just remember being like, I've been in a lot of football games, I had never experienced audibly something so devastatingly crazy as that when they showed Bill Belichick coming out and he had his hood on and he just looked like literally a villain from a science fiction film and the place went absolutely crazy negative on him. You could say Darth Vader. I was going to like, it wasn't, I mean, it was just like he totally was leaning into the role.

But then a couple seconds later, out of the darkness, like Tom Brady emerged. And it's like even though he was at the center, of that, the place, and erupted in positive, and just so you could feel the energy. And I think the thing that connects for me a little bit is that after the Falcon Super Bowl, 28 to 3, you know, we would decide for the game, you go to the winner's locker room or the losers, off of two very different environments. But I went in there and I was in the exact right place at the right time where when Tom Brady came over to hug teammates, like I was just standing there recording the whole thing.

And I was trying to process this moment where I'm like, I've been watching this guy since I was like a young, young person not working in. football totally different. And he's at the height of his profession at the greatest comeback ever. And I'm like, I'm just trying to measure the idea that I'm a foot and away a half from Tom Brady. I'm like, I'm glad I chose this career versus that accounting house. We all brought up Brady there. I think we're going to need more distance because he just retired, I think, probably now. But like, you know, five, 10, 20 years from now, like we were there for like that incredible second run that he had. And, you know, I think we, you know,

we went to four or five of his Super Bowls. And it's just. just like it's crazy to for a guy that I think part of the reason because he was the dude and the electricity that he produced just by being in the building with him for that game you just mentioned community and you've mentioned him a couple of times already west and felt like we lost west on the weekend of the super bowl going into that bucks and chiefs game i had the stupid thought that weekend It's like, Wes isn't going to know who won the Super Bowl, which is the weirdest thing to think at that time. I did too.

What was it like, the reaction after losing him, obviously losing him, you guys were devastated. But to have that sort of rally of support and love that was showing around the world towards Wes and towards you guys, tell us about that time. Well, it just showed what, you know, as someone who knew him, when we were at Rota World together and I hadn't even met him in person at that time.

He was just this guy on AOL instant message for me for five years who I imagine, he always was like, I can see the water from here and he's drinking his beers while he's writing these fantasy posts to one of all of our great friends when we all got out to Los Angeles to see how many different people he touched just it meant a lot

because I think he was such a people person. you started to realize how everyone had this special relationship with Wes in different ways, whether you were one of his best friends or whether you'd only met him a few times or whether you were a listener to the show. So I'll always remember when they put his image and that was one of them right there up on the big screen at Tottenham Stadium a couple years ago. It was very difficult, but it was also beautiful. And it was like, I don't know, one of the most powerful moments.

of our lives and not one that you want at all, but also something that just kind of speaks to the man he was. Yeah, I mean, that whole period was because it happened in the middle of COVID, and we were all just disconnected in general and for his illness to return. And then really the way it all played out was heartbreaking. And I'll always remember, like, because he did do his, he never gave up, like, wanting to be part of the show. So even when, as he was getting sicker and sicker, he would come on.

to the Sunday shows and just for a couple of games. And, but we, you know, behind the scenes, we knew it was not, it was not looking great. And we knew, but right before he passed away that we were aware a couple days in advance that it was time to prepare for this. And I just, I remember we went to the hospital the day before and we couldn't even go up to see him because of like COVID protocols. But we, Nick came down his brother and Phil and we, you know, we kind of shared that moment. I think Colleen was with us too.

And then, you know, I remember when we got the word, and it was a couple days before the Super Bowl, thinking one of the things I thought of was, like, people, listeners knew Chris was sick. And if you were watching some of those Sunday show, you could see it physically that he was sick. But they didn't know maybe, you know, how bad it was. Right. So thinking to myself, like, now this news is going to get out. And it's, I was actually remember thinking in terms of the listeners that it's going to be such a punch in the stomach because they weren't aware of what we knew how truly sick it was.

So it was really sad. And we miss them every day. And these trips that are never, never the same without him. The podcast will never be the same. But so many great memories. I remember that week one when you came over. And you were on one table at U4. Yes.

And I was on another table hosting there with Rob Ryan and Solomon Wilcox. And Wes whispered to me afterwards, that's one of my greatest Sundays ever covering the NFL. And I just flew out of the studio. It just was great that we'd all had that experience together. Mark, do you sometimes watch the game now today and think Wes would love that player? He'd love this. I mean, he was sort of ahead of all of us on Joe Burrow, wasn't he?

I remember that when he would join us on Sky Sports. Do you think you see players now that he'd be like, oh, he'd love to watch that guy. Yeah, and I think it's, there's just this reminder that Wes, I mean, from an analyst standpoint, and a lover and observer of football, because, I mean, long before he did it for money, he just did it because he had like six other brothers. They'd be arguing about football on Sundays, and it's like he became a great. analyst because of the way he grew up. And, you know, he and I were the same age. And so there were some references that I think kind of had shared meaning to us and like certain football

memories. I think that we each lost like our favorite football friend, you know, and it's like doing the show in the wake of that was really tough. But I think it brought us together. It challenged us a lot. But the one thing that I think still trickles in daily, weekly is you still hear from someone who's like, oh, but I don't know if you'll read this. It's like a I'm on Instagram or something. I just want to let you know, like, people don't know this, but Wes reached out to me when I was having a tough time and conversed with me one-on-one. And it's like, there's probably been like, and this guy also blocked like 700 people on Twitter. So, you know, he was, he took it carefully, but I mean, how many people.

He contained multitude. Yes, he did. Just like you find out that West changed and surprised and interacted and, like, helped so many different people. And it was like, that's who Wes was. Because, like, we had the football stuff, but the friendship that we had with him was paramount overall, the work, business in general. And it's just like you hear his laugh in your head every day and you miss him. I talked to his wife, Lukisha, when we got here today, just talking about these trips. And she had said that first trip because she came along with it when we went, the one you were talking about, meant a lot to him was actually a big turning point for him.

because I don't think he realized the sort of scope that the podcast had in general. Like, we don't meet necessarily our listeners back home or like this, and having this experience with you guys on Sky and doing this national broadcast and then meeting all these fans upon fans at their live show. And it sort of blew his mind.

And she said, like, that trip specifically meant a lot to him and helped him because he was already having recovered from his first bout with cancer. like, really appreciate those sort of moments in what he had made of his life. When people ask, what's your favorite moment, the history of the podcast, it's always first trip to London after West got better.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we, it was so, it was like a triumphant show. And I remember, and we brought Lakeesh up on stage at the end of the show. And I remember going and introducing each of the heroes one by one and introduced Chris, like, the place exploded. I was thinking the underground plate, and it had been pouring on the way I was there watching that night.

It was fantastic. And just like, I think that's part of the, I love that he had that moment for people to be able to show their love for him. And, yeah, that's a big. He was a star. He certainly was a star. So I'm keen to know when you've met all these NFL stars and you do your interviews and all that in your jobs. Have you ever been starstruck? Let's go down the line with that.

I think it's interesting because we're around so many big-name players at various times. I think for me, like the Brady moment, like, was kind of huge. but I was functioning. I have a weird one. Like, I named my son Colton after Colt McCoy, but I never met Colt McCoy. And then at this last Super Bowl, you know, when you're at the Super Bowl, if you're ever had the experience, if you're watching this, like you, it bubbles up as the week goes on and more and more, like, people walk by where you're like, whoa, that's that guy.

He's, like, so I just was one morning waiting for these guys to come down and go do a show and like Colt McCoy, who is pretty approachable and not really someone that a lot of even recognized, I think, in the hotel. I saw him and I was like, I couldn't move. I was like, I just for some reason was like, this is the guy that I'm starstruck by. It's a very odd response. You always take me somewhere.

I'm never expecting your arms. I couldn't move. That's why I usually close with Mark because it goes off in that direction. You can't match that. Dan, for you? Well, a couple ones like I met, I interviewed Namath on the red carpet at one of the Super Bowls. And I don't even really remember that. I blacked out.

But I remember going back to the hotel room. my dad was there and playing them back the audio and like like seeing me my dad was like oh my god like this is you talking to my hero growing up but the one that kind of where I actually felt truly like starstruck in a way that I was cognizant of was the first Super Bowl we got to cover together was the Super Bowl 46 which was Giants Pats 2 and it was in Indianapolis and they had us I think we had turned in time cards that had over 80 hours on it that week they just They had a sitting in this, like, bullpen pit basically next to the NFL network set and grabbing everybody as they came by. And Joe Montana comes by.

And if you're a person of a certain age, Montana, he's the guy. He's always going to be the guy. And I grew up when Montana was Montana and the top quarterback ever. So I went up to him. And you could find this on YouTube, actually, you know, like it's a very fresh face young zooser. And I'm interviewing Joe Montana asking him about Tom Brady. and just being like, I can't believe I'm actually doing this right now.

That one's hard to beat for me. Wait, did you say that was the young Zusser? That was the young Zusser? So he actually gave himself a third-person new nickname. Even then. Operating on levels that people didn't even think were possible. I got to hand it to you. Sometimes you just got to give it up.

Oh, my goodness. I think it was asking Bill Belichick a question at a Super Bowl press conference in 2007. And that, because I just remember, I think I had been thinking about, well, what question can I ask to really impress Bill Belichick? Like, I had been reading, I was, he's my favorite football figure, and I had read education of a coach. But however something, I had, like, read all the books. I'd read the scouting book that his dad had written and all the books, like, he suggested about Paul Brown and all this stuff. And I just thought, this is the smartest guy ever.

And it was the first Super Bowl I covered. I was with NBC at the time. But I was like, well, at the very least, I got to just, like, ask something in the middle of press conference, and my stomach was just, like, roiling as, like, Brian McCarthy, the PR guy for the NFL, because it was in those, it was in, it was the one in the big, you know, the ballroom or whatever, where there's, like, 50, it was like, it was some stupid thing trying to compare Antonio Pierce of the Giants to, like, his old Giants linebackers. Like, I was really trying to get, like, Mr. Bell Chair.

And I knew, I was like, well, he doesn't talk nice about his players, but if you ask about the other team. It'll go deep on it. And that was the question. Well, you tried. He gave a great answer. It all was great. But I just, like, when he handed me the microphone,

I was like, this is going to fall out of my hands. And I was just too nervous. Last one, your growth has kind of coincided with the international growth of the NFL, all these regular season games. Not a coincidence, Neil. I know. That's not even a humble plan. It's all been part of our mutual friend, Henry Hotson's master plan.

We're actually been implanted to grow the great game here. Dan, and then it'll be taken out once they don't need us anymore. Do you think we're living through historic times? Like if you look back on this period of growth in the NFL, it feels like there's a real story being told. It feels like from when we join the league to picture, like, where we are now, like the idea of the NFL could become a global game,

I think it felt like a bit of a long shot years ago because it just felt like such a uniquely American game that would be difficult. And, you know, the football-football thing has caused some heat, I feel like, through the years. A lot of rules. And it's, so the fact that the game is not only caught on, it now feels like there's, like, really,

like a really educated football fan base. People know their stuff out here. It's, and you see the way these stadiums fill up, like we were talking about earlier in the show, just how everyone gets to go to these games when they come to London and rep their team or their favorite player. I think it's incredible.

the growth. And I think the fact that there's three games, I think you can make a case where there being more because I think there is the demand for it. Dan thinks he grew the game internationally. I'll just show you this promo and you can make up your own mind because you can watch more Neil Meets because I've been around meeting some of the biggest stars in the game. Is it Neil Meets with an ellipsies or a colon? I think that I just feel like there should be more punctuation on there. But there's all on demand. Neil meets O'Dell Beckham, Justin Jefferson, Brock Purdy and Dolphins head coach, Mike McDaniel. And of course, now we are going to...

You got my rider that it's just my headshot when you put us up on that. Yeah, we'll put them kind of the other two. Well, we'll go Greg, Dan, and some other guy. We're doing that way. I'm just starstruck sitting next to Dan. All right, my thanks to Mark Sessler, Dan Hansis, Greg Rosenthal. And thank you for joining us for this special Neil Meets. And we'll see you next time.

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