NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Bonus Show: Cowboys Camp Takes, Dante Fowler and DeMarvion Overshown

Episode Date: August 16, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal reports from Dallas Cowboys training camp in Oxnard, California. Gregg gives you his takeaways from a day at camp and is joined by Cowboys EDGE Dante Fowler (09:40) and LB DeMarvion Overshown (18:45). Note: time codes approxiamte. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we got to admit we're suckers for Cowboys hype every once in a while. This is usually the time of year that it happens. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I am here at Cowboys Training Camp in Oxnard, California, starting off the show solo.

You know, Patrick Claibon's doing Fantasy Live, Jordans over in Minnesota doing joint practices, and we appreciate you watching this YouTube special. I'm going to have two Cowboys coming on the show in just a little bit. Dante Fowler and DeMarvion overshone, and great conversations with both of them. So look forward to that. But just a couple takeaways about being here,

It's just different. The Cowboys are just different. When I say I'm a sucker for the Cowboys, you know, part of it is the setup here. Like most of these training camps we go to, it's minimal. Here, it's like all these foods, all this concessions. Like, everything is just bigger. And there's more media here on the 26th day, I believe it was, of the Cowboys being in California. I mean, that's insane. Over three weeks they have been here. And yet there is more media here. at a training camp practice in the middle of the week than at post-game regular season games for a lot of NFL City. So it's just different.

And then you see Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones up, you know, high above the practice field. And it just reminds me of Bear Bryant back in the day. Maybe I'm just like aging myself that I even know who Bear Bryant is. But like this is old school football. I know Chris Bobona doesn't know anything about this. you got Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones and they've built a tower at Cowboys Training Camp and they're just watching everything below them.

They are the kings and that is their dominion. And that's how football practices used to be. It used to be Bear Bryant at Alabama with a big megaphone yelling at all of his players from up above in the tower. And that's like, I don't know if that's the best way to connect with your players and you don't need to connect like that

when you're an owner. but Jerry Jones was playing in the SEC for Arkansas pretty early in Bear Bryant's run at Alabama. So he's like going up against his team. It is a connection to that like old school football. And it's just different. It's truly a family organization in a way that the NFL used to be all around the league, but is not as much any more. No one's doing it like they're doing it for good and bad.

So takeaways from the field today. It was just good to see Dak Prescott throwing darts all over. the field, just making the right decisions. It looked a little too easy for him at times. I like this Cowboys Eddress group a little more on that in a minute, but for the most part, he was protected very well. He finds his open receivers. He's just the smartest dude on the field, and he was very sharp in general. What are you going to do with this secondary? That's the problem that I worry the most about with the Cowboys, but you have C.D. Lamb and George Pickens lining up against Kair Elam. And Duran Bland is back out there. And that's a big thing. I think the average fan probably

doesn't realize Duran Bland, he's back, he's healthy. You got a couple of really talented guys that were on the sideline here today, Trayvon Diggs and Savon Ravel, who could be back at some point this season and we'll help him out. But in the meantime, there's just mismatches. We were looking on our ace cameraman and photographer and producer Sam here. He's taking photos of practice. And CD Lamb dusted some guy so badly and I know that Donovan Wilson the safety on the play like tried to make up for it and Dak hits him way down the field Wilson can't get there in time but the cornerback gets dusted so badly he's not in any of the camera shots because cd lamb has beat him by five yards on a double move and it just got me kind of thinking about like how good this passing

game could be and I think will be and how good they're going to need to be because I think the secondary for this Cowboys team is just not great. But there are resources coming later. And if they can get Ravel and digs healthy, I think that's a good thing. I love Cavante Turpin's wiggle. I mean, he's a guy that's going to shine in a setting like this. I think he's going to be a difference maker this year. They also have a rookie Trayshon Holden, who's looked pretty good at training camp, made a couple plays today, has a good chance to make this team. And they have a seventh round running back and Phil Mafa that popped like what would have been a 50 yard touchdown. And when you're, when you're thinking about like one cut and go, I mean, I think he's

got more juice than the two veterans, Javante Williams and Miles Sanders. So I was talking to some of the Cowboys reporters here. And I think there's a real thought of the Cowboys maybe choose between Giovante Williams and Miles Sanders. And they only wind up keeping one of the veterans, maybe put one of those veterans on the practice squad because they want to keep Phil Maffa and Jaden Blue, they're two rookie running backs who are both making some plays. Mafa just looks like he's a guy that you have to keep in the rotation, keep on the team.

Brian Schottenheimer was asked during his press conference, like, what's the thing you're most concerned about? And he just said it was the decisions that's coming, that he doesn't really know he admitted where they're going at a few different position battles. And that's true for a lot of teams deeper on the, the depth chart, but I think it's kind of true for the Cowboys higher up. Like, they need to figure out their running back rotation.

I don't think they really know it. They got to figure out their cornerback rotation from three onwards. And that's pretty high up. They're still trying to figure those things out. But watching him, and he talked about his cancer diagnosis that, at least I had no clue about, and I don't think anyone had ever asked him about it, that he had undergone surgery for thyroid cancer a long time ago. And he had a very heartfelt story about it.

And it was related to Jerry Jones, revealing that he had had his own cancer battle with melanoma and has recovered. And it got me thinking about something I've been talking about this offseason about Brian Schottinheimer, how I think he could be a better head coach than he was a coordinator.

There's just something very real and grounded. And he's been through a lot in the NFL. And I think he knows people. I think players respect coaches that are real. I'm not saying like the last couple Cowboys coaches weren't, but sometimes it kind of felt like McCarthy and Jason Garrett. They're almost like play acting a role of what a head coach is going to be. And I think Brian Chottnheimer has a certain sort of emotional intelligence that comes through.

And I think the staff that he built here is pretty good. And those are some of the reasons why I think he could be a little better than people expect. Then again, I just went through all these different takes from being at one day of practice. And one of my takes here is the more training camp practices you go to, you just realize people force training camp takes. I mean, it's just practice out here, man. I mean, I've talked to different reporters who I think agree. Like, the longer you cover training camp, the more that they feel like you can get a feel

of what players are playing better than they did previously or who's having a good camp. But who's having a good camp is not what has. happens on Sunday. It's a totally different ball game and it's very tough to translate whether they're having a great training camp to whether it's going to be great on Sundays. And the differences I think fans would see if they came out to these training camps between, oh, he's going up today or he's going down. It's very small. And sometimes you don't know the reasons why a player would struggle on a certain day, what they're working on. And I do think we probably make a little too much out of who's playing well, who's not playing well in camp. The main thing to me is

who's healthy and what are the rotations? Like who's the starter, who's the second team? You really can learn a lot about that. And that leads me to my last point. Man, this Eddress group without Michael Parsons, and we're going to talk to one of the members of it, Dante Fowler, in just a second, is so deep and so versatile. And to me, should be the envy of the entire rest of the league, except for maybe the Giants in this division. to quickly go through it. And Dante did a great job going through it. So you'll hear that in a second, too, though.

Sam Williams is coming off a torn ACL and looks really good in this training camp. Looks 100% healthy. He is getting the most first team reps opposite Dante Fowler, who's coming off a really good season for Washington. Fowler is not, you know, an all-pro player at this point of his career, but he's turned into that Leonard Floyd type of pass rusher for higher is going to give you plus positive snap. So that's your two starters-ish.

But you're rotating in your first round pick or early, second round pick, Donovan as a Rocco, and then Martian Neeland, who's looked like a first rounder when he's played, is a good run stopper and is absolutely better than a lot of starting edges out there. And when Michael Parsons comes in, Neelan will technically be the fifth guy. So I think the Cowboys have a better fifth guy than a lot of teams do second guy at maybe the most valuable position in the sport other than quarterback and maybe tackle. And I think the way that they can use them and just play smart and play fast with Matt Iber Fluse. Gives this team a high ceiling.

I'm intrigued. And yeah, I'm looking forward to you guys hearing these interviews. Here is Dante Fowler. And then right after that, the linebacker, DeMarvian Overshow. All right,

we are here with the veteran linebacker, edge rusher of the Dallas Cowboys, Dante Fowler, coming off a long practice on the practice field. And a long stay out here. here in California. You guys are like residents now. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, I used to live out here back in 2017, 19, but I'm ready to go home, man. I was excited to be here first, but now it's like, it's time to go home for sure. That's a humble way of saying you went to the Super Bowl with the Rams. Yeah. You know, it's funny. I was doing some research.

I do that sometimes. Are you aware that you had the most sacks of anyone, or at least tied for the most, of anyone in the 2017 playoffs with the Jaguars? so you had a couple. And the most tackles for loss of anyone in the league in the 2018 playoffs. No, I didn't know that, but, I mean, I know I was getting a fuck off, though, for sure. I know I was, like, doing my thing, but that's a pretty cool stat for sure.

And a follow-up, I hate to ask you, does that mean that you hate Tom Brady more than any man in the world? Because that's one time in the AFC with the Jags and then one time in the NFC with the Rams. Yeah, I mean, it was really cool just to get out to Tom. That's my favorite quarterback of all time. So growing up watching him and then actually being in the game when we played him in the AFC championship, I was turned on another level. Wow.

I wasn't planning to go here, but it does go to the Patriots a lot with me. But maybe talk about that game a little bit because I feel like that's a great forgotten game that not forgotten in Jacksonville or by my coworker Maurice Jones-Drew who likes to bring up all the time that he was down and they were robbed. man that was a that was a pretty cool game we were so confident going into that game like we knew we were going to win it was crazy because we had a joint practice with them um and um that was the year we played them in aFC championship the next year so it was just really cool we were super

prepared and uh we were playing our tails off and i think we got robbed to be honest with you just on that play with miles you know stripping the ball and stuff like that but you know just that second half was really weird, but you know in Tom Brady fashion, he got it done. But man, that was a gut punch for sure. Yeah, it is crazy how football history and how people think of legacies and all this stuff can change on something fluky, even as someone who's watching that Patriots closely, whether Miles Jack was down or not for a whole legacy and season to change, that's heartbreaking. You've found a way, though, to live with the ups and downs as a pro. You were drafted in 2015. So are you proud of your longevity? And what's been the key? Yeah, I'm super

proud. Just because this was my dream to play football, like since I was in the fourth or fifth grade, I set my mind and being a professional football player and wanted to play for a long time. So just be able to play 10 years in this league. You know, I'm super blessed and I'm proud of myself for that. And just to be able to have a career in the NFL, you know, especially where I come from. And, you know, the hard work that my mom and my dad put into me getting to the NFL and stuff like that, it means a lot for me to still be able to cover my games and still, you know, see me as a professional football player. And now on your second tour of duty with the Cowboys, and I kind of alluded to it, they've been out here for about three weeks now, and they're just wrapping up their time now.

What's different playing for the Cowboys than playing for teams at your other spots? Mm-hmm. You know, just the notoriety and, you know, the primetime games and stuff like that that comes with the starring helmet, you know, playing in Jerry's Rowro and the AT&T Stadium for a home game and stuff like that. That's super cool. Are you going to watch that Netflix show about Jerry, about the Cowboys? It's mostly about the 90s, but it's a lot about Jerry. You're going to watch that? Probably not, but, you know, just to keep up on my history, I might. I might will. I'm pretty sure Danny have it on and I might look at it, but I mean, I'm not really a big TV guy no more.

Okay. I'm not as much, but I got to say that Cowboys Cheerleader Show is good. It's actually really interesting. I'm not being weird about it. I'm just like, it's interesting what they go through. I remember, yeah, all that. I just remember my mom used to watch that stuff

back in the days when I was like in middle school or high school, when they used to have it like on lifetime or so. It used to be on one TV show. They used to, you know, show the Cowgirls and stuff. So it's pretty cool seeing them around nowadays. I know exactly what you're talking about. I forget what network that is. But yeah, it was like the country music network.

Like T-L-C-M-T or something. Yeah, C-M-T. All right, let's talk 2025 Cowboys because I had a theory going into this training camp that people get mad around the country. Fans get mad. Oh, the Cowboys get too much attention. You know, the Cowboys are always like the top story on ESPN, even though like maybe they're not worth or not.

And my theory was actually this year, the football team is really fascinating. Because to me, the ceiling for this team is really high, maybe better than people realize. And part of that, the reason I believe that is because of your edge rush group. Like, that is about as deep an edge rush group, assuming Micah gets back on the field at some point. But even without him, I'm watching today, and you have four really good players and some other players behind them. Like, what has that been like? Tell me about what that room has been like, who's been impressive. Man, it's been so impressive just to see, you know, those guys, just to see Sam Williams come back from his injury and see how hungry he is.

and the way he's playing he looks really good makes you curious to see of what he would have did last year if he never got hurt, but he looks really good. Donovan, you know, for him to be a Ricky, he looks really good.

Just as what people said he was. You know, he looks like a guy that got 16 sacks last year. He's a dominant pass rusher, you know, not afraid to get his nose dirty in the run game. You know, James Houston, who I was a fan of

when he was at the Lions when you made that eight sack run and seven games he went to uf so i'm a huge fan of him as well and just the list goes on um you know marchion kneeling i thought the way that he played as a rookie he held up really well i think he um did a pretty good job in a run game he's a stout run player that's learning how to pass rush i think he's going to be a really good defensive end in the future Peyton turner um you know he's like a hybrid defensive end but you know So he's been, you know, playing at a pretty good level, at a high level when he was in New Orleans, somebody that I used to watch. And, you know, the list goes on, Tyrus Week, that played a few games last year, just to see how far he's came as a pass rusher. You know, when he first came in, they didn't know if he was a longbacker or a pass rusher and now just to see, like, his body changes and see the way he worked.

And, you know, our coach, you know, Aida, Aaron Whitecott, and who I was. He was my assistant defensive coach when I had when we had that Saxonville team back in 2017 with Jacksonville. So, you know, he was doing his thing as being one of the top defense along coaches in the league, especially with the Jets and stuff like that. So just that combination of us and that formula with him is definitely going to be off the charge. And, of course, when you add Michael Parsons is just going to take it to a whole other level. Yeah, you staying connected with him. I saw about it on the field and everything today. How has that been?

Um, Micah? Yeah. Yeah, that's my boy, man. You know, um, last year, that was my favorite player to watch in the league. Um, you know, just, you know, that's, that's my boy. That's, I love everything about him. I love the way he plays the game. I love the way he goes about the game. I love the way he patch rush. So when he's out there, I definitely feed off of him and it kind of turned into a competition. I mean, each other at the quarterback. So I love that because he always makes me play at a high level. All right. We got, we got one of your teammates to Marvian overshund coming on. quickly, so I will let you go with this.

You've now been on both sides of the rivalry, Washington and Dallas. Like, what is, what's the most annoying fan base or stadium to go into as an NFC West guy? Because you've done a couple different towards the duty. NFC West? I mean, NFC East, my bad. NFC East, you know, Philly hands down, you know. It don't let it be a prontown game and a big game we end up into it. It's crazy.

I remember I was scared to order food from Uber Eats. What you're going to call it? The day before the game, I had to change my name and stuff. So, man, yeah, I got a lot of Philly friends. Like, a lot of my best friends are, like, Philly fans. So when they beat me, when lose a draw, like, they let me have it. They're not afraid to shove it in my face. Like, they're not afraid to do none of that.

So Philly for sure. They're different. Yeah, I guess you couldn't possibly answer Dallas when you were on the other side. Were they nice to you or no, no? It was pretty cool. It was weird because we played them the last game of the season, and the season didn't go too well. So we kind of had more commander fans in there.

But it was all good. It was just cool to be back. I'm blessed to be back for sure. Appreciate you. Dante Fowler. Thank you, man. All right, we are here with the Cowboys linebacker, DeMarvian, overshone, out in California,

getting his way back to the field. I got to ask to start. How's the rehab, the recovery going? It's been good. To be honest, it couldn't be any better. If it was even any better, I'd probably be playing. right now. So to say I'm almost eight months out and doing the things I'm doing as far as like the linebacker drives, the running full speed and cutting and stuff. I know a lot of people that's

been through something like that, they know once you get to that stage point, it's like, okay, now you're getting more so football already. So the fact that I'm at that point, you know, I can remember the days right after surgery where I couldn't even walk by myself. I had two braces on. So, you know, I can almost see the, I can see the light at the tunnel. So I know, I'm close and like I said the rehab couldn't be any better. I was surprised to see you on our list today because I'm like oh he must be feeling better because usually they

don't make you available so that that's a great sign that you're feeling good and man you just popped off the film last year and you've been through a recovery like this before like what was the key to when you got back playing so loose and aggressive

and free last year? It's all about the mental part of it. I think once you get past that mental barrier you know i got injured last year but i then went through the process of making sure my knee was ready to go i done the hard training uh had the best doctors and trainers in the world working on me so you know all you got to do now is trust yourself and you know i'm a believer in the man and uh i know my plan so uh i knew that wasn't it for me i knew how hard i trained how hard i rehab and you know how much i was prayed upon so uh once you take that upon you

the field with you, everything else is out the door. Now, you know, the passion that I love playing and the reason I play this game, now that's an excitement. You know, I've been holding that end for a year, so all the negative is out the door. Who would you compare yourself to? You're a fascinating player to watch, can you do a little bit of everything.

So for me, watching as like an analyst, I try to think, like, who are you like? Is there someone that you pattern yourself after or that you think kind of puts together some of the similar skill sets? Uh, I would say, I used to say a lot, uh, uh, Darius Leonard. Uh, I used to say him a lot and then, but I was, I came in as a safety, uh, at a high school to call it. So I always wanted to be the cam chancellor, but before my games, I watched Ray Lewis

highlights, because I knew if I was ever a linebacker at any point, I wanted to be a Ray Lewis type, you know, head hunting type linebacker. So, uh, really those guys is who I watched coming into the league and you know all throughout college what's it been like when you when you were on the field obviously last year and anytime previous lining up and and trying to figure out what doc prescott is doing and has as a linebacker like kind of being on the other side of him a veteran in the league for for so long and someone i think of as one of the most mentally sharp quarterbacks like in the entire NFL what is that done for you as a player it's definitely you know matured me way faster than if I would have went somebody that's, you know, not blessed with a quarterback like that.

You know, he's, like you said, he's a veteran in this game. He's one of the sharpest minded quarterbacks in the league. So you go through practices and you get like some of his tendencies and you would get like why he checked this when he see this and he sees certain defenses. So I've definitely, you know, not only is he like, you know, practicing against us, but the things that he's audible and he's doing, you know, I'm able to learn from to see what other quarterbacks are seeing in the league. And, you know, once you can get a good feel on Dak Prescott, I feel like, you know, you're with that top 10% in the quarterbacks where you can play against any of the quarterbacks in the league and be good.

So I saw Matt Eber flus just walked by. Great hair and beard, by the way. Hey, he got it going on. Like, I don't even know his age, but I know it's like, it's young. And, like, he keeps his stuff well maintained. And he got it going on. I'm with you. He got it going on.

When he was on hard knocks, it was a. whole thing. It was like the Iber flus renaissance. And I had some, some people, you know, man, that Iber flus looks good. I am curious, though, what his defense is going to look like here. And so you've been, obviously, in a few defenses now with Dallas a few years ago, Dan Quinn's here, and then last year, Zimmer. What do you think defines this Iber flus defense? I think it's the thing that he says the most in his style of a scheme. And that's the running hidden nature of his defenses. I feel. like you turn on the tape all the time.

You see seven plus ball defenders around each ball carried no matter where they on the field and takeaways and, you know, forcing quarterbacks to play uncomfortably all year and all, all game and, you know, the toy with their mind showing different coverages and dropping into another one. So, you know, the way that he just looks at the game plays, you know, our defense is an attack defense. And so that's how you got to coach it. And I feel like, you know, the greatness of our defense can be measured just by how hard we practice and how hard we play.

It won't be off of mental errors or missed assignments. It's going to be more so on, you know, did you really give your all this play? Like, are you really, you know, trying to be one of the closest ones at the end of the play when the whistle is blown? Because at the end of the day, that just shows, you know, your love for your brother. And that's how he coached. So that's what I'm really most excited about because I know, you know, once you get a lens, 11 guys playing with their heads on fire. Like, you can, the scheme is going to work regardless.

Like, you got guys out there that's really wanting to play football. Like, the scheme is going to work. You know, I just thought that he had Shaq Leonard, Darius Leonard, back in the day with Indianapolis. He had Shaq. And so we get to see some of his film, him and Coach Gons, show me some of his clips all the time. And, you know, that's the guy, like I said, that I looked at coming into the league,

being one of those long, you know, more lankier linebackers, side line to side line making plays. So definitely knowing that they coached him, coached the great Sean, Sean Lee. He actually, he doesn't call me Sean, but now it's shown. So I think he, he think he found him another, a Sean Lee prodigy. And, you know, I'm totally fine with that. You know, I watched his film all the time. And he was a man amongst boys at times.

And, you know, he just felt like he knew before everybody else knew in the stadium. And that's really what I'm trying to translate my game. too, and I know Fluse is going to help me get to that point. That's a good comp for you actually now to think about it, just because man, Sean Lee and you, I think, both play with a certain sort of energy that just pops off film.

I'll leave you this. Is there like a running back or tight end that you've gone against, whether in a game or in practice, that impresses you the most? You know, that gives you the most

amount of trouble or just does something that that lets you know, like, okay, this is a great. Anybody, a teammate, or did I play it against anybody? Anybody you want? I probably get this question, and I probably get the same answer every time, but I'm going to give my answer, and the answer is B. John Robinson.

I don't think I've ever seen a better football player, a better anything, whatever he does, I feel like he's the best at. I mean, he sees stuff before it even happens. The contact balances off the radar. You don't notice how fast he is until you get behind him. But when you watch him film, it's like everything he do is just so smooth, but it's fast. So that's one guy, I would say, you know, you turn on his tape.

He's going to look like the best player on the field all the time. That checks out. Appreciate having you on. Good luck with the rest of your recovery. We look forward to seeing you on the field later this year. Yes, sir. I appreciate that. Thank you.

All right, that was a great day at Cowboys Camp. Thanks again to DeMarvian and Dante Fowler. And, yeah, the Cowboys get a little extra coverage. Cry about it. It's not because they're the Cowboys. It's because they come to California. So get your broke team to come out here for three weeks. NFL Daily.

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