NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Brady Contract; Week 1 Tournament for Our Attention

Episode Date: August 5, 2019

A room filled with heroes- Gregg Rosenthal, Marc Sessler and Chris Wesseling are joined by Patrick Claybon to bring you the latest news around the NFL including Tom Brady's new contract, (5:23), Ngakoue ending his holdout (12:40) and Colt McCoy on the top of the Redskins QB depth chart. (14:59) The heroes reflect on the Hall of Fame Ceremony thoughts (19:35) New Seg: Week 1 Game That Catches my Eye already, Don't Tell Me It's Too Early (38:10)... it's a mouthful and maybe needs some workshoping but which week 1 match-up is getting us juiced up!Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast. Ships, Tyler, and Hannah. Roll time. So stupid. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast presented by SiriusXM. I'm Greg Rosenthal in a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wesleyan, and Patrick Claibon.

Oh, yeah. I should explain that money drum because nobody seems to understand it. What money is referencing there is the, franchise The Bachelor and the culmination of the most recent season of The Bachelorette in which Hannah G., who is a alumnus of the University of Alabama, spurned her engagement and elected to go on a single date with the guy that she sent off after finding out that her ex was actually in a secret relationship with an Auburn fan. So this money drop came from David Ely?

Potentially, yeah. I mean, I can't think of anyone else in our news. from that it could have come from. Well, it could Andrew Groover. Yeah, a lot of people know about the Bachelorette, but Alabama, with the exception of Gruber, you know, I don't know. I don't know about Roll Tide. I mean, include, I like Groover a lot, but I don't like his unnecessarily endless

prattling on about Alabama. We don't need that in our lives. It's a lot of Alabama pride. It's Monday. You know, we're back, Dan Hansis. Our humble host is gone in New York. I don't know why. That's what Rich Eisen always says, is I'm your humble host, so that's just...

An interesting parallel, Andrew. The more telling thing is we all started laughing. He is on the East Coast, watching the Yankees end the Red Sox season over the weekend, seeing his family. He'll be back on Wednesday. We have three shows this week. But this is probably the only show where Mark and Wes are wearing the exact same shirt. We are, and it's been months. I want to say at least four months since I've worn this shirt.

And it just happened that Mark pulled. his out of the closet on the same day after not wearing it for about four months. Well, it's a very typical low-level, I would argue, Caucasian buy at an outlet, and we both wound up with it. I mean, you have a fashionista significant other working on your behalf. I would suggest that my wife is not so plugged in on my wardrobe, but the fact that every time I think about this shirt, I don't wear it because I've seen you wear it occasionally. And today I said, I'm just going to roll the dice and snake eyes, baby. We're both wearing the same shirt. And this actually is a video show for nfl.com for the eight people watching that they're just being met with

on wednesday we'll show it on wednesday i think it's a good shirt check that out yeah it's a good shirt i have no issue we don't need two of them though it's fine why what's the problem i don't know we're in the same shirt i mean west feels enough to have put a cardigan on yeah he changed it up there's a softball team wears the same shirt they're on the same team well this isn't really yeah athletic competition is it not are we not i mean we are sponsored so i think when you start i think when you start Start off with The Bachelor or The Bachelorette. You can throw athletic competition. But to your point, half the softball team doesn't wear the same shirt.

If you guys were wearing it too, I get it. But you can't just say half the softball team wore their uniform. Claibon's got a similar-ish, you know, checkered blue shirt, which pretty much every guy in 2019 that has to wear button-down shirts to work has some variation. And you are, you're being colorblind. Do you know what color your shirt is, Greg? I can tell you if you don't know. Mine's a blue shirt.

There we go. Short-sleeve. Wrong. Short-sleeve shirt. This could be an athletic. endeavor, because Claibon might have to sprint down to the newsroom at any moment. He has to stay ready. If something goes wrong during Inside Training Camp Live, like someone's audio is not working

or whatever, they need Claibon to host at any minute. So if listeners, you'll know what happens if Claibon just has to sit. Yeah, if there's a buy and then you hear the crumbling sound of a microphone, which Mark brought up before the show that that might be stressful. I didn't realize it. Yeah, it probably takes a toll on my mental state. You're like a doctor with a beeper. Right, you're like a fireman.

Like ultimately, I've talked to, I know someone who's a fireman. It's like, ultimately, it's a lot of, you know, sitting around, but you have to stay ready. And then when you, when you're called in, it's like, it's from zero to 100. Except there's no lives at stake. It's just like we want the TV to look nice. Yeah. Well, people. But, yeah, basically.

Your livelihood at stake. You're a first responder. Yeah, your son Malcolm's livelihood at stake. We got a big show with Claibon here. We're going to go through some news. We're going to talk a little bit about the Hall of Fame ceremony over the weekend. Some thoughts on that. We're also going to have a segment, the week one game that catches our eyes already.

Don't tell me it's too early. We can get excited already for week one. Absolutely. But before we do all that, let's get into what we're hearing, presented by Sirius XM. Let's do some news. My rating, I got an 80 on an Ultimate team, so I'm going to go play with myself today. So see how I feel That came up weird

I love quitting Williams I just hope he never changes He's the best He remains funny And that's a big skill Like almost every other NFL player Would take himself Almost too serious to even make that comment

There's time for him yet Let's go to another NFL player Who takes himself You know somewhat seriously Tom Brady And he should I mean, you win six Super Bowls, you should be able to take yourself seriously. You should be able to get paid handsomely, and he is now.

He is getting a $8 million raise for 2019 as part of a three-year contract extension. That's not really an extension. The deal will void on the last day of the new league year, which is March 17, 2020, according to Ian Rappaport. So he'll be a free agent in 2020. potentially. What do you guys make of Tom Brady's newest contract? Boy, he doesn't want the franchise tag or the transition tag to be in play for next season. That's right. That's part of the deal. That's part of the deal. So the way rap sheet put it, it hurt a little bit for both sides to do this deal, but it helped both sides a little bit

because they both got what they wanted as a way rap sheet put it. I mean, it definitely helps the Patriots because you don't, I think Brady's been vastly underpaid for a very long time. And I also have always wondered if he had married just a normal civilian woman as opposed to a supermodel, if he might have asked for more money going back a long way. But at this point, like, they don't need to be trapped or yanked into guaranteed money or future money that may not be there for a player himself. It makes sense. And ultimately, when you've got somebody that's 42 years old, this is, we've seen a little

bit of this with the way that Drew Brees' contract has been handled. It's almost the exact same thing as Drew Brees' contract, just less money. And so it's something that, yeah, not every NFL player can do it, but not every NFL player is going to be able to play into their early 40s in late 30s in the situation. And I just want to see that five seconds where we actually think that Tom Brady is going to be a free agent. Like if people are going to like send flights, you know, like. Remember I was trying to, you know, stir it up when Drew Brees was getting closer.

and it did feel like there was like a one in 20 chance. And I believe that with Tom Brady. Matt Patricia's going to be on his doorstep at midnight. It's shocking how many things we say on this podcast and on TV of like where we are just, we say with utter confidence. When the NFL has treated us, you never say never against anything. Is it possible that Tom Brady could play for another team with a number of different circumstances?

I think it's possible. I think it's very unlikely. But I think this contract was interesting in that. giving a guy a raise, just an $8 million raise out of nowhere is rare, but that's what the Patriots did with Tom Brady a year ago and setting up the contract so that he's going to hit free agency almost no matter what. They can't sign him to another contract before then is really rare. And I think it's both sides a little bit staring each other down. I think Tom Brady would like to have more guaranteed money, but he's not really committing to playing pass this year.

I don't think he's told the Patriots he's definitely doing that. And I think Bill Belichick likes the idea that if he gets hurt or if he's terrible in 2019, that they could cut him or that they wouldn't bring him back or that it would reach a natural end. I think he likes that out. I think that's all part of this. Doesn't this particular relationship, it's also, you want to call it, unprecedented. It's different than any other quarterback team relationship because I think that Tom Brady, maybe he's a little peeve, not publicly to get that extension, has a relationship with,

Robert Kraft where no one's going to do the other side wrong. I would love to see like Mike Rable sneak in and like make a call and pull Tom Brady down to Tennessee for a year or something, but I just don't think it's going to happen. Yeah, the streets would actually run red with blood. Like there would be real consequences for Tom Brady playing somewhere else. And I just, why not? I can't imagine it. He was a little non-plus, though.

So he spoke to the media before Ian's report about the voidable years came out. and listening to him, I was like, you know what, he's a little ambivalent about this. He said, it is what it is. That's a good line. And then he has a big pause, almost thinking to what he's going to say. Whoever said it, it's very pertinent. Like I said, there's a lot of guys who have one year left on his contract. So the situation is, I've got one year to go and we'll see what happens.

And he said, I'm basically like any other player that's having to prove himself, you know, and he's on a year to your base. And that's probably been true of Brady for a year or two, the way that Bill, Belichick is. But I do think it's interesting because the way that it was presented in the media and even from Brady last week, Tom Curran had a really smart piece that Belichick almost puts this to the side. Like Brady put it on Kraft. And I think this has worked out, and there's no way to know this, but reading between the lines, I think this has worked out between Brady and Kraft. And Belichick is fine with that because it's Tom Brady. But it's almost like there's a little bit of something still going on there.

Maybe. But I also think, I think on the spectrum of wanting to talk about money. You've got Jalen Ramsey in his Brinks truck and, you know, megaphones. And then on the other end, you've got Tom Brady at the end of his career, not wanting to have it be a big news item, probably. This is the same guy who voluntarily

moved 27 million in guarantees to 24 million in non-guarantees a few years ago. I mean, I just don't buy that. He's like really ticked off at the Patriots. I agree with you. I'm not saying that either, but I think in a perfect world, this contract, in his world, any contract negotiation that's typical, that someone wants more than they get.

And I think he wanted more than he maybe got in this case. But as Marks, it's a unique situation. And if we wanted to start the Greg Rosenthal and Patrick Claibond performance weightlifting center, it would be tough for us to put it in Patriot Place, you know, hundreds of feet away from Gillette Stadium. I mean, for multiple reasons. Yeah, but the TB12 Performance Center is there. And it's there because the relationship between Tom and. and the ownership is pretty good.

Well, yeah, they're partners for life. I mean, that was the thing that Earl Thomas said about Pete Carroll. I don't know if I think this was public. Essentially, like, this guy's essentially torching our relationship. When we're going to be partners for life, we're going to be champions for life, we're going to be meeting and doing sponsorship things and getting together with the 20th anniversary team. And that's Earl Thomas and Pete Carroll.

Like Bill, especially Robert Kraft and Tom Brady, are essentially business, partners for the next 30 years. Here's where I could see it get thorny is when Tom Braney comes for Scott Zolak's color analyst job. That's when it gets ugly. I just, I want to see Tom, you know,

if Tom Brady just has an unbelievable season and then he gets to free agency and just holds the Patriots over a barrel, I think he would, I think he would enjoy that. Why are you rooting for this consternation between the two? It's like an abusive relationship. What? No,

I think it just doesn't seem to exist. I just think if anyone deserves a little bit of, of just break all the rules. It's Tom Brady. You know what I mean? Like, just give them the guaranteed money. Mess up your salary cap a little next year. Tom Brady built that state.

What are he talking about? How big does his yacht have to be? The fairy tale ending to a true underdog story. Tom Brady. Against all odds. Another underdog story. Unique and Gacueh Gacway. I mean, who was talking about him as a third round pick a few years ago?

Now he's one of the best pass rushers in the league. he ended his holdout over the weekend with the Jaguars and he said I'm ready to play and he's not expecting to get a new contract he'll play for about two million dollars this year in the fourth year of his rookie deal Patrick Claibon little in Gakway heat um I unfortunately with his sound bite when he came back he invoked it is what it is which I always can't stand but um the holdout kind of answered his question like if the Jags wanted to commit to him long term they could have done it, but they don't. They draft Josh Allen in the first round,

and it kind of seems like he's on his way out. But in terms of production, sack production, his numbers are up there in the first three years with Bosa and Kaleel Mack. I mean, they're better than Bosa's. Well, he's not nearly the run stuff or that any of these guys are. Yeah, his production elsewhere isn't that.

So that's his problem, but they had him out there for 74% of the snaps last year, so it's not like he's some situational guy. No, but if they do want to extend him, but he wants $20 million instead of, say, $15 million. Right, we don't have the back story. It sounded like they were approaching $20 million, even with the guarantees. He probably, if I'm him, you would want to have D-Ford contract or better.

He's been a better player than D-Ford consistently. I'd much rather have D-Ford. And I think Jack's, really? Yes. I wouldn't just because he's had one year out of four where he helped your team. He had about one and a half. He had half of 2016. He played at approval level in two different seasons.

I think the Jaguars would assign him to this contract if it wasn't. for Blake Bordels and Malik Jackson and Telvin Smith. I mean, they have $25 million in dead money that Tom Coughlin's basically burned of Shod Kans. I mean, they were paying, you know, they were paying Blake Bortals more money than the Patriots were paying Tom Brady going into this weekend before that race. So, like, they've wasted a lot of their money. They have some cap issues.

And I think that got in his way. But eventually he'll get paid. He reminds me a little bit of DeMarcus Lawrence, who had to wait next year, but then I think situationally got more, yeah, got more money than he would have anyways. Another man who's made a lot of money, Colt McCoy. Not enough, if you ask me, is your son's namesake, Mark Sessler, Colt McCoy. Cole McCoy's made a lot of money? I mean, he's made, compared to Mark Sessner.

Yeah, well, that's true. Yeah, I was going to say, he's probably made more, and I don't know, you know, then all of the generations of our families going back 200 years, I would guess, you know, I don't know. He's made a lot of money, Colt McCoy. We haven't opened the books on Claibon yet, but I'm assuming that's true. Yeah, I don't think we're getting to $13,891,730. Yeah, I mean, that's a lot. He's on top of the Redskins depth chart.

They make them release a depth chart before the first preseason week. Are you excited, Mark Sessler? I mean, I think if anything, Colt McCoy has earned the trust of the coaching staff and is the perfect guy to slot in in this position for your first depth chart, which I feel like we've learned over the years here meets means literally nothing at all. If you're Jay Gruden, you want, you want Dwayne Haskins to shine in the preseason, take the week one starting job,

and save Jay Gruden's job. Call McCoy is not saving anyone's job. Did you see Jay Gruden's quotes on this? I did not. I'm not allowed to read Jay Grudence. I think I say Jay Glazer. I'm not allowed to read Jay Glazer because of Dan, but yeah. Yeah, it's early and I was forced to make it.

it. I wouldn't have made a depth chart right now. There's no reason to. It's silly. It's words on a piece of paper, names on a piece of paper, and an order that means nothing at this point. So is he rebelling against the conversation by doing this? I think so. I mean, he's rebelling against, no, I think that they make them do it for the preseason game. Because a lot of them go out of their way to just make them total nonsense. Like some of these, there's guys, I'm thinking of one on the, I think it was the alliance,

like guys playing completely different positions, and they're still listed at their old positions. Like Colt McCoy, by all accounts, actually, has probably been third in terms of first team reps. That Case Keenham has probably had the most, and Haskins probably the next most. But they are rotating all three. I mean, I would argue the lions should spend less time on death chart antics and maybe more on producing a team that is watchable. Should this be mandated if only half the coaches are even following the spirit of the rule? It's a good question. I've had this theory, though back, I like it because it's supporting something I've written about a couple times this offseason that I think Colt McCoy's got a pretty good chance to start week one, not

because of this, but I just think Jay Gruden probably looks at it like this is my last chance to start Colt McCoy week one, and I've always wanted to. Like there's a reason I keep paying him $6 million. I like them, and it just feels like Haskin's going to come in week three or four for someone, but if I'm Jay Gruden, I'd probably just want it to be Colt McCoy, not case But hold on, though, a year ago, that's, you know, the Brown started Tyrod Taylor and the coaching staff has been flamed since for not starting the better player. What if the rookie comes in in week three? Well, the Browns did not open the competition. If Haskins is truly just blowing the doors off in the precinct, he's going to start. But I just think Gruden loves McCoy and

probably sees it like, I'm going to prove everyone right. This is why I've kept them for so long. He's running out of time to love these decisions. That's all. You better start the better quarterback. That's what I'm saying. And Brown's situation is most similar to the Giants, where they've just decided it's Eli's job, the other guy can't compete for it. It is close to that disturbingly. I remember back when Case was acquired, there was the storyline that that was a surprise

to Jay, that he wasn't necessarily involved in those discussions. Seems like Haskins was a little bit. Yeah. And then Dwayne was the same situation. So I can see Jay, a guy who would create a fraudulent death chart to stick it to the people, would also just start the quarterback to stick it to the front office. that he seems to be in constant consternation with despite the fact that he's one of the longest

tenured coaches in the NFL now. It's like a total suicide mission at this point. Didn't it feel like all these guys had a 33% chance when camp opened? That's what it felt like to. I don't remember ever having a quarterback competition where it was even across the board. But Gruden has spoken glowingly about Haskins

Yeah, I think Haskins has a little better than the other guys, just because if he excels in the preseason, they're going to start. But those people who love Case, man, they love Case. I mean, yeah. And Jay Gruden is one of the other. of them. They combine to make less than $10 million.

So, you know, according to everyone who says, well, the key is having your quarterback on a rookie contract. The Redskins should be the best team in a little. All right. So that's the news. We're going to get to some of the quieter elements of camp news a little later with 8 o'clock delight. But we did have some sad news that we found out over the weekend.

A couple of people passed away. in the NFL world, the first coming really to light when the Hall of Fame ceremony was happening in Canton. And that was Cliff Branch, the great Oakland Raiders receiver passing away at the age of 71. And the timing, I mean, he had 14 seasons. A lot of people that saw him play believe he's one of the most underrated players ever. And he was maybe the first name I thought of when the news was announced last week that they're going to open up the 2020 Hall of Fame class to 20 people

and people immediately said oh, now here's Tori Holtz Chancer, Isaac, no, the modern era candidates that's not changing at all. It's five just like normal. But what they're going to do is bring in 10 players that have been passed over that normally would go to the seniors committee

and Cliff Branch, who was an all-decade's player, I believe, to me is probably one of the highest guys on that list and I suspect will be entering Canton and it's sad that it's going to be posthumous. He passed away at the age of 71. One of the best deep threats in NFL history, the best wide receiver in the NFL from 1974 to 76 at a time when receiving stats were way low

because it was before the Mel Blunt roll and cornerback could just take you out down the field. But he was their best offensive weapon on those Madden-era raiders that seemed to be fighting the Steelers for the right to go to the Super Bowl every year. And it was Madden who, because a lot of people feel like he has been kept out of the Hall of Fame unfairly for a long time

for the reasons you just stated, Wes. And it was Madden who basically said, it is going to happen to you. And this quote they found is jarring because he basically said, Cliff Branch said, I am not dying until I get in the Hall of Fame. Once I get the call, get that gold jacket in that ring. I could die the next day, but I'm going to stay alive for that deserving honor to come my way. So, I mean, for it to happen probably about a year before it happens is ill timing. And Cliff Branch kind of flies in the face of people who think about football before the 90s or in the early 80s as like, oh, you know, guys who wouldn't necessarily be able to function in today's game.

This is a guy who's about 6 feet, like 180 pounds, ran a 10 flat 100 meters in college. Like this was a explosive dude. He averaged 17.3 yards per catch for his career. It's just bonkers. There was a five-year period where he led the NFL in receiving. And that's why it's so tricky to look back at numbers. And it's like, of course he has, like, way less numbers than, let's say, like Steve Smith Jr. has or something.

But when he led the NFL in receiving for five years, it's basically like a deadball era, like the baseball has a dead ball era where there wasn't home runs. The NFL had that with passing. And you can't hold that against Cliff Brands. It's cool that the Raiders wore his number today at practice. as a tribute. And then another passing, unfortunately, that happened this weekend that we learned about on Sunday was former Sports Illustrated writer Don Banks, who I think all of us know, or I know

Wes and Mark know in this room personally, kind of came out of nowhere. He was in Canton covering the Hall of Fame ceremonies for the Las Vegas Review Journal, where his first column actually debuted on Sunday. And they found him in his room, and he passed away of natural causes, really sad. Like one of the nicest guy. One of the guys where, you know, when I was starting at Rotor World and NBC, just like a bigger national guy that goes out of his way to ask if you need anything and kept up a relationship over the years when, like, he didn't have to do that.

Yeah, there aren't, in the world that we work in in sports, I think like sports writers get a bad reputation for being jerks a lot of times, and I find that to be untrue often. A lot of the older guys are some of the competitiveness. They see it from a different perspective. And, you know, when the news hit, and it was yesterday when you found out, like, one person after the next tweeted about their personal run with Don Banks where they might have been fighting with him for a story

or just learning the ropes, age, gender, it didn't matter what, where they were in their career. There's all these stories about him lending a helping hand unselfish. and I had it this one night, and I didn't know him very well at all, but there was a night when I was covering the Browns, and it was right after the Hall of Fame, and I was in Cleveland, and I saw him in a hotel lobby, and I wanted to walk up and talk to him, but he was with his son, and he was having this, what I could tell, this amazing conversation with his son, who, one of his sons is a journalist now, so I don't know which one it was. He was two sons in their, like, eight, in their teens or 20s. He was with them and brought him to these events, and it just seemed like they were having this awesome dad's son moment. I'm like, I'm not going to go interrupt that right now, But it is this thing where when this happens, like he's left behind two boys who are not young children. But I remember being 20-something and I've still needed my dad a hundred times since. And that's where it just, it hurts a lot. Well, we talked about the shame of the timing with Cliff Branch who might get into the Hall of Fame at a time when he can't even savor that spotlight.

And Don Banks, the timing on a guy who was a magazine writer in the Internet era and had to kind of remarked. market himself in his 50s and figure out what he was going to do with his life and how he was going to remain relevant. He finally got his, I wouldn't say his dream job, but he got the job with the Las Vegas Review Journal writing for the NFL an overview of the league. And his first column came out Sunday about Hard Knocks. It's a really good column about what the Raiders coaches now face that the Browns coach is faced last year. That's a flyer from Todd Ailey. Yeah. And he told Peter King, I'm back, baby. And then that was that day. He didn't wake up.

So Dodd Banks passed away at the age of 57. We, you know, we send our thoughts to his family and all his close friends. And that news happened in Canton. I mean, he was there in Canton. It was a sad cap to the week on weekend, which was, you know, a very sad weekend in this country in general. But in Canton, there were great moments. And, you know, there were, as always, it's cool to see the guys getting their bus

and seeing how much it means to them and the interaction between the Hall of Famers and then hearing them speak. Patrick, did you have any takeaways watching the ceremony on Saturday? I guess my takeaway was either, I understand the hall a little bit more as the guys that I associate with my adolescence

and my coming to football as they start to make it in. And I've always felt that Ed Reed and Champ Bailey were some of the best football players that I'd ever seen. And to see them up there on that stage, it was kind of like I'm starting to get it a little bit more because I've seen the hall and the consternation with T.O. And there's other things that have pushed me away from maybe leaning into it as much as other people have.

but now I see it more. You know, these are the jerseys that I had, the guys that I wanted to watch every single Sunday. Yeah, I had an Ed Reed jersey. Because not that I was this Miami fan, but in the Boston College game in 2001, when it was close, Boston College is on the 20, they throw an interception to a D. Lyman,

and Ed Reed takes it from him. In the most, like, impossibly dangerous situation, like, what are you doing? and returns it for a touchdown. And it's like, that's, yes, that. That's what I want for myself. That's maybe like the perfect that read play, if there is. And so, yeah, to see those guys go in.

And obviously the way Champ Bailey ended his speech, you know, imploring people to listen to us when we say, this is what's happening in the world to at least listen. And I appreciate that because, I mean, as you guys know, I'm probably, people would probably say the way I feel about things are extreme. And so whenever guys can bridge that gap and make it a little more easy for people to accept the way I feel about our planet, I like that. So shout out to Champ for that.

That was the number one moment for me was Champ Bailey's speech. And specifically that part of it mentions like you're used to seeing us size and aggression, football players especially the black football players and here he is with a forum asking humbly very humbly when we tell you there are many challenges we face because of the color of our skin please listen um when he when we say about our fears and our fears for our children please listen and i was raised white catholic well there was one black kid in my high school um no jews no Hispanics there was one democrat in my grade school class It was the opposite of diversity and moving to Los Angeles.

To me, my favorite part of California is that diversity. You can talk about the weather, the scenery, it's the diversity. And getting to speak to people and listening. My friends I grew up with are good people, but they don't have diversity in their lives. So they don't even get a chance to really listen to friends, to loved ones. They listen to politicians. They listen to people on TV. But to me, that was a very important part of our national discussion.

Please listen. They have stories to tell that you will never know. I thought the other stories that were told as well, I feel like you learn. It's someone, even if you think you know who Ed Reed is, and there's a lot of content about Ed Reed over the years, like I just loved hearing how he got even to college and to the NFL. And he points out someone like his teacher, Ms. Hall,

who he'd live with for a while and who saw him through so much. He went out of his way to name every equipment manager that he worked with, which I thought he was a completest and sense of his thankfulness. And he dug in so deep with his mom and his dad, you know, raised in West. Maybe think of you a little bit, like he was in a one-bedroom apartment with four boys. That wasn't your case, but you had six other brothers. That's a lot. I have two boys in my house, and I feel like the roof's popping off all the time. But Ed Reed just showed this incredible appreciation.

Give the barber's a shout out. The barber. And, you know, we think we know, for instance, like who, Chuck Pagano is based on his minor run with the cults. And we've got the book on Chuck Pagano. And then you hear from Ed Reed that it was Chuck Pagano that taught that recruited him, that fostered a relationship with him, that taught him how to be a D.B. first. It's like these guys, and it hits a little bit on Gilbrand, too, telling little stories

about Bill Belichick catching passes from Stauback on the, you know, during practice when his father was around and stuff. That Gilbrant had all these little innuendos and people that he wove into it as well. their history, these guys have been around the game for 40, 50 years. You've got to take a step back when you've only been looking at it and covering it for a shorter amount of time from the outside. They know things will never know and have seen things we'll never see. And I'm glad that they have this form to do this because like football culture kind of

states that you should keep your nose to the grindstone and just say the exact thing that you're doing. And it sucks that we have to wait five years until after Champ Bailey retires. for him to provide his thoughts on this topic or any topic in particular. I wish there was, and maybe it's different now with social media and we're able to get this, but it just feels unfortunate that we have to wait so long to be exposed to these great ideas and great men until this point. Well, yeah, most of them had no forum. They did not have Twitter.

They did not have any way to communicate anything outside of their media availability. There's always like an awkward or funny moment, and I'm going to have Erica play the one from Ed Reed that really stuck out to me. I like to thank that organization, Steve Boshadhii, Ozzie Newsom, Coach Belichick, his staff, coach Harbbs and staff. Too many people to mention it's tough. You feel, because it's just, he meant to say Brian Billick, that's fine.

He meant to say Brian Billick. It's tough because if you're up, there and he's going to realize that afterwards and he's going to he's going to be annoyed about it's like but you can't you can't change can't take it back that's it that was brian bellics that was it that i also thought reed was getting like booed here and there read was getting booed here and there by a heavy browns crowd and canton ohio crowd and also i mean you got bengals fans coming up and he basically said listen i love the browns and the bengals i respect those organizations you guys gave me 30 interceptions he's like it's not my fault you kept changing quarterbacks and

like, come on, this guy's a good sport. Like, I thought his speech was my favorite of the group. I, my favorite was Thai Law's, which shouldn't be a surprise. Like a lot of Patriots fans, Thai Law was my favorite player on the 2001 team that won their first Super Bowl. And I thought it was so cool that he is the first guy in from all those Patriots teams to the Hall of Fame. That was almost 20 years ago that they won that Super Bowl.

But he's the first one. and I just find it delightful because there's been no one else in Patriot's history like Ty La. It's funny because he talked a little bit about the Patriot Way. I mean, if there's ever a player that did not fit what they talk about with the Patriot Way, it's Thai Law. I mean, it's Thai Law's way. Thai law was drafted by Bill Parcells. He was an all-pro and probably played his best football under Pete Carroll, and he made sure to mention Pete Carroll and how important Pete Carroll was to him.

and then he won his two Super Bowls with Bill Belichick. And so that's like the start of modern Patriots history. And he had all those three guys, and he was a badass. And he talked about how Belichick would let him do it his way and that after a couple of mistakes, then you come and do it my way. And he was a guy who kind of, you know, was cocky and physical and confident. He's the guy that got Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft to dance on the stage in 2001.

He's the one that didn't, like, quite fit in, but he was also the best player on that team. And he was the leader, I would say, of that defense in 2001. And because of that, maybe that's why, you know, Belichick said bye for kind of the end of his career. But watching him play, like, he was the embodiment to me of Parcells almost on the field. When Parcells was a coach and he came in with that sort of cockiness and changed the whole franchise, like Ty Law changed it on the field.

And he said that Bill Parcell's threatened to cut him as one of the only first round cuts in camp if he didn't get his act together too, so. And it's funny to hear, because DeMarcus Ware has Bill Parcell's stories as well. It's funny how many great players have like a Bill Parcell's and was threatening me story. Adam Venetario will be another Hall of Fame

that he threatened to cut. Either he's not that good or he's just a jerk. Well, yeah, he did, yeah, it's like in a million years he would have never cut Tyloaf. But yeah, he's just making that threat. Other coaches might have more wins and more Super Bowls, but to me, and Mark's the same age, he's the iconic coach from that era.

Oh, yeah. The writers all loved him because no one spoke like Bill Pard. Nobody's as funny as him. Nobody's as candid as him. And the players all loved him. Yeah, he said it. He, like, Bill Pardt, Loss said Pardsell's was the guy that got inside my head and motivated me, and Belichick's the one that just, like, gave me the X as a nose.

So a great Hall of Fame ceremony. As you mentioned, Gil Brantt did a great job thanking everyone on his speech. Didn't think us, though. Everyone else. I thought he could have maybe mentioned. I mean, we've worked on them for a while. But, you know, this is the part of the show where if Dan was here, he would be saying this is the longest news segment we've ever had. And you know what?

It's not even over because it's time for a little 8 o'clock delight. Ricky. Houston Texans cut 2017 third round pick, Dante Foreman. Wes, what do you think? No running back has come back successfully from an Achilles surgery in the history of the NFL. It should also be noted that no star running back has ever suffered an Achilles injury in the NFL. Yakes. Antonio Brown has barely practiced that Raiders camp.

It's got a foot issue. Had to check out a specialist. Patrick Claibon, what's your level of concern here? Heavy, I guess. Blisters are a pain. And when do they get fixed? It just takes time. So he can't do anything until he can use his feet.

Not a good looking foot right now. Josh Rosen, he's a nice looking young man, and he had a nice scrimmage on Saturday. Apparently had some big throws. This competition's not over yet, Mark Sessley. I mean, you think it must have heard to our show on Friday, where we kind of said, let's go. Let's get this guy going. And if he's not starting week one, I think it's a major disappointment. He's a second year, first round quarterback, please.

Wes, your boy, Levanti David underwent surgery. He's going to be out a few weeks. Big difference maker for that defense. And meniscus surgery, that's something that stays with you through your career, and I believe it's what ended Tori Holtz crew. That is a young, young defense in Tampa. The Pat signed Cam Meredith. I liked him when he signed in New Orleans.

Who knows if he's healthy. Nice. I would now like to issue a public apology to... What is his first name? Grugier Hill. Is it Kamu? Camusier Hill. You were supposed to be part of 8 o'clock delight

I took a lot of notes there I had a lot to say I was frantically Googling this the timing do we really need to go back so sorry let's see where we are in a week with that situation

we have a segment and it's called the week one game I don't know should we workshop the segment I mean in terms of the title this would be a good time to come up with a good title

here during the show I mean it's ultimately the week one game that catches my eye you know it's it's early it's August we've kind of got this long training camp in front of us still four weeks of the preseason left to go we're actually guys I don't know if you know this the NFL season is 28 weeks long it it starts with camp we are through two weeks of it two weeks I count that first week of training camp

that kind of gives it more perspective I like that idea yeah it's a little over half of you we're through to the next four are some of the most challenging who needs to talk more about camp in the preseason we'll do that plenty let's talk about the regular season and a game that is just getting us excited. Don't tell us it's too early. It's not too early. This is the first time I've gotten excited about football since probably last December.

Really? What about the Patriots Chiefs? Maybe January. AFC championship game. That was a great game. January. He's keeping it real. You know, you checked out at some point last.

Super Bowl didn't really excite me, but some of the playoff games. How about every game the Saints played, basically? Saints Steelers was maybe the best game of the year. The Saints Eagles was a terrific game, and then the NFC championship game was not the best game, but it was exciting. Both Saints Rams games were good.

Yeah, come on. Good stuff. So Wes is excited again. I guess let's start with Wes then. He has a week one game. What's getting you started? Well, so many different ways I could go, but let me start with Rams at Panthers.

I like these matchups that kind of make a statement at the beginning of the year. How good is this team? And I think the Panthers, I'm looking at them to be the Panthers that they were in the first half of last season when they looked like a legitimate playoff contender and their defensive line is better now. Some of their skill position players are better. So can a guy like Curtis Samuel,

can he make a kind of leap like Christian McCaffrey did last year? So to me, that's a good litmus test going against the NFC representative from the Super Bowl, the Rams. I would not consider the Rams a heavy favorite in that game. I think it's a statement game. I think it's a statement game for the Rams and a little tiny bit where, like, I know the preseason is going to answer some questions. And I feel like the Rams of any team in the league is like, we're going to do this, but we're going to tell you this all offseason, just a lot of mixed messages. And they're the team with some mysteries still out there.

Todd Gurley, obviously, what will his workload be? They've got Daryl Henderson in the backfield. And Jared Goff, let's have a huge game after a totally disappointing Super Bowl, but you're on the road. And I think it was Greg chronicling the early season, Andrew Love. plan last year where he wasn't throwing deep as much it was a notable difference from the way he played it seems like carolina might be heading down that path oh remember how freaked that way were when they brought in brissette to throw the halmering pass it's like oh it's over yeah it's we don't know if andrew luck will ever be andrew luck again but he slowly worked himself back and if you look

at the timelines i think it lines up with cam where he might play like that to start the season and so yeah i would like to see because obviously we want to see cam rip in fastballs to the sideline, but we're not going to see that in week one. I mean, I can't believe Cam's 30. Doesn't Cam being 30 make you feel a little old? You know, we started the podcast, what, two years after he was drafted? It just feels like that doesn't make you feel? There are almost everything in my life now.

But Cam Newton's age, and he still looks young. Not tracking Ace Buggy's age at this point. I mean, any moment on Twitter makes me feel ancient. I'll say that right off the bat. Yeah, I'm more in on the Panthers because of all or nothing. I kind of liked All or Nothing. It just reminded me how since Cam's come in the league, I've like just, he's one of the most exciting players to watch,

but now this new crop is here, and it's like, don't forget about Cam. You know why people are down on this All or Nothing season? Well, Dan mentioned the timing's a little off. They need to nail down that, but it's more about football than drama, and that's why people don't like it. It's good show. Yeah, and the football's in the past. It is a good show.

I think it suffers in comparison to Last Chance You, which comes out at the same time. And maybe not many people watch both. I don't know. I watch both. And it's like, Last Chance You, the stakes are so high that it just make, you know, whereas all or nothing, it's like, I know it's professional and they're making a lot of money. But Last Chance You is so well done and ask some interesting questions about football and the world and everything.

And it's life or death. And then all or nothing, it's like, hey, are we going to win a game or not? Like, it's hard to feel like that's that big of a deal. And you don't really have too many spoilers for junior college. college football, but in terms of watching the Panthers, you know, play the Falcons in week seven, it was like, oh, okay, yeah, I know what happens here. Yeah, I usually, half the time I'm watching these games, like, who wins this game? I kind of forget who won Redskins, Panthers.

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I think for me, it's, you know, I'm not going to fake that all these games interest me, but it's week one, so every team is new. So there is a part of, there's an element of fascination. I want to see Detroit at Arizona. I can't believe I'm including Detroit in anything where I'd say I'm super into it,

but it's two diametrically opposed philosophies. You feel like Detroit and, Detroit wants to run the ball as much as anyone in the league. They want to use their run-stuffing defense and just play an old-school style of football. But then we're going to get our first look at the Cardinals under Cliff Kingsbury running their four, five-wide offense and whatever happens. Because I'm hoping that even though you're going to have to show some of it in the preseason, it won't be that unlike, you know, and it's a totally different scheme. Then when Chip Kelly came in in week one, and no one still had any real idea what they were going to do. And he flamed the Redskins for like 35 points in the first half of that.

Monday night football game. I just want to see what happens in this. And if it works, I think the most interesting offense coming into the NFL this year is Arizona. We've talked about it endlessly. And my advice to the Lions, because I was thinking about how, you know, I used to, everyone talks about Madden, but I used to play TechMobile against my brother. And he would be Dan Marino and the Dolphins and the most popular addition. You can just throw these bombs up and down the field and score it will. So I would get a run-heavy team like the giant. or the Raiders, and I would run the ball for six yards, and I'd let 30 seconds tick down.

And the quarters are a minute and a half, so... That had to be annoying for your brother. Oh, I drove him nuts. I gave him, like, one possession in the first half, and scored like 14 points, then I got the ball in the second half, went down the field, scored another touchdown. Eric Sessler's wondering how to climb out of a 21-0-0 hole,

and then he gets the ball for maybe 18 seconds in the second half, too. That's how you squeeze him out. It's like a python. It's not really optimal video game entertainment. Well, it's a take-no-prisoner scenario. Try to, like, be fun or no? Well, we played like 12,000 games. I had to get serious, so.

I am too surprised. I think that's going to be your game then on the after. I'm already thinking about a sign-bys, you know. You're going to, I'm surprised the lines are included in that, but I'm with you. Like, Week 1 is my favorite week of the season because it's the first time you're seeing so many different things. and I'm going to, that'll be one of the first games I turn on on game pass is because I want to see Kyler Murray. Yep.

Styles make fights, but nobody's really usually watching the Bantam weight plays. What does that mean? I mean, it's the Cardinals and Lions. You don't know. You don't know. You really don't. Well, the Cardinals are a big story. Come on.

What are the chances one of those teams make the playoffs? Well, that's the thing. Week one, a lot of it among the teams that we don't consider contenders is like a tournament for our attention. Right. That's a good point. The winner of that game gets like, you know, a little bit of side-eye for the next week. And then maybe eventually four weeks from then we'll be, all right, time to watch the Lions.

Right. Like the Bill's Jets, which is not my choice. But for years, that's always been such a boring game. And in week one, you're right. It's kind of like which one of those teams gets out to a fast... I'm excited to watch both of those teams because of the quarterback in general and Layvion Bell. But it's like one of those teams smells like a team that's going to be three and one at the end of September. And it gets a lot of attention throughout the year because of that.

and it's like, all right, what if Frank Gore scores the winning touchdown on his old coach Adam Gase? There's a lot of little wrinkles going on. They say Gore is looking pretty good in camp right now. Of course he is. He's going to get T.J. Yeldon cut. Claybon, what game you're choosing? In round one of my tournament for attention,

literally, because the segment name worked for me. I was scrolling through week one, looking for something to catch my eye. Bruce Arons returns as a head coach against Jimmy G. returning from a Tor and Cruciate. on the East Coast, I'm down. I'm ready to see, just to have an answer of this era of 49ers, like, what are you going to be?

What are you going to accomplish? And to just see how Bruce is back. And we're brash and the Kangol's still going. And he's got a quarterback that likes to be aggressive and take chances. And it just seems like. You think he's going to coach from the golf court? Supposedly having a good camp bearer, West, James Winston. What are you talking about?

Like last week, every article is, why is Todd Bulls defense so far ahead of James Winston? I can't believe you boxed me out for that, Claibon. I chose that thinking, well, no one's going to choose that. I don't even need a backup. Well, I know, Mark, who's going to choose. Who's going to choose the Bucks 49ers? But I'm with you. I'm so excited to see both of those teams because I think they are both mysteries.

I think, like, that I want to see what the 49ers offense, especially with Dante Pett. and Matt Breda and Tevin Coleman. It doesn't sound like Derek McKinnon's going to be in the mix, maybe, early in the year, but just George Kittle. And then I think the Bucks are going to put something on people. And I want to see Todd Bulls smiling. This is a new Todd Bulls.

He's happy now. He's smiling. He's in a good mood. That'll pull me in. Season hasn't started yet. He's got, like, the youngest secondary maybe I've ever heard of. That's never a good thing. No.

At least during practice, and there's some injuries, five of their top six defensive. defensive backs were first or second year players. That's pretty rare. There's a reason why it's. Yeah. It didn't work out. Well, maybe it will work out.

How about another game for us, Greg, if that was not your game. Go for it. Well, no, I got a bunch, but it's your, you got to pick one. Well, my backup choice was, it goes against everything I believe in week one, which is, I just want to see, like, the new everything. But I'm actually, it's, I just have to be real with myself. I want to see Falcons Vikings. I'm invested in both of these teams.

I think it's a potentially high quality first week game because it's not new staffs. It's veterans on defense in Minnesota. It's a better-looking offense in Minnesota. And it's a team in Atlanta that, man, I had a lot of high hopes for last year, and I was kind of rooting for, and I like who they have on defense,

and it just didn't work out at all. And those are two teams that I could see them in the Super Bowl. I don't know. Why not? I could see one of those two teams. I think there are two really good teams and established, two good quarterbacks. You're going to get a nice little high level of play. And I think you'll probably get a nice high-scoring game. I'll take that week one. I like Chief's Jaguars. Sorry, go ahead. I'd say that's like the bounceback tournament that game. Yeah. I like Chiefs Jaguars. I think that it's, you're going to, obviously you have Mahomes, but I think finally Jaguars fans can watch a game without having their blood pressure go to the ceiling every time Blake Bortles gets the ball in his hand. Like, if you're Nick Foles, like, I'm rooting for him to do well.

And that, to me, is, like, another team where Jacksonville needs to get out to a quick start. And there's a lot of questions because they've been to run heavy offense for a long time. And under John D. Philippo, you're trying to become something completely different with a quarterback who's never played with any of those players. Plus, like... And all the chief's business. Right. It's week one. It's Andy Reid.

He's, like, you know, he's like Funkmaster Flex is dropping bombs on people in September. Just, like, people don't know what comes. when Andy Reid's in town in September. There we go. Wait, before you even go next, West, let's go to Erica Camposa. What game are you looking for it to week one? I don't know. I should have warned you here.

Well, yeah, but Patriot Steelers. Come on now. Why not, right? Come on. You know, there's all this talk about the Steelers being like, what are they going to be with all their missing players? You know, they're so together. Everything's going to be cool.

Tom Brady fuming over his contract. We're going to be. taping but then this and you'll be editing a little bit the second half you'll be able to lock right well that's you know all you need is that that tb last two minutes uh other game anyways and oh money i hate that as a week one game as a patriots fan yeah it feels like a home loss to me but who knows oh well with that attitude i'm sure you're super concerned west sorry what was yours there i was going to say how about temposi just on the spot nails it every year in the modern NFL this this may only be true in the last three or four years there are

a handful of teams to enter the season with an offensive line that could swing their season either way. And last year, the Colts swung it the right way. They faced the Chargers this year who could swing the wrong way. This team might not have Melvin Gordon. They might not have Russell

O'Coon. They don't have Tyrell Williams. I'm looking at a Chargers team that has transformed into a defense-first team over an offense-first team. And a Colts team, I know everybody's worried about Andrew Locke, and he told Peter King, I certainly believe I'll be out there in week one. So to me, that's good enough

for me. But the real good quote comes from Frank Reich and talk about Mark was talking about his video games with his brother. Frank Wright compared playing quarterback to a video game. And he said, I know Andrew's been in some really good offenses, but we're going to turn him loose like he's never been turned loose before. And he said, here's an example I would use. In a video game, if you're playing quarterback, you'll see these easy targets. that pop up on the screen, and they're all 100 points. They're all 100 points. They're pretty easy to hit.

And every once in a while you see a thousand point target pop up just for a split second. Those are the ones Andrew Luck's going to be hitting this year. There's going to be more 1,000 point targets on the field. I thought that was a cool 1K Andy. Yeah? Well, what video games is Frank Reich playing there? It sounds like a future video game. It's like whack-a-mole-plus.

It feels like a terrible type of game. That's a sneaky big game. Sneaky big AFC game. Good choice. And shout out to the Colts, breaking news. They just signed Deonté Foreman. They got him off of waivers from Houston. Oh, what a...

That's Claibon. He just brings it back around. As we're wrapping up, they need a backup running back. I'm surprised they didn't bring you back into the studio for that. Right. Pull you away from him for that news. Give Forman a chance. Give him a shot.

Who knows? They don't have much depth there. I think we've said it. I think Claibon's come in here and, he's knocked it out. Tamposi. Wow. It just stepped right in with the Patriots game. A little predictable, but still, good analysis. I like it. There's more football analysis on your Twitter feed lately. I like seeing that. Some fantasy rankings. Yeah, you know, fantasy is a fun game. I dig it. Can't argue that. I dig it.

On that note, I think that's it. I think we're going to wrap this thing up here. Oh, Greg, our show streams on Thursdays for those that are interested. I think you said Wednesday. at the beginning. So if you're listening and you want to see some ATN video stuff, it is Thursdays at 2pm on NFL.com. Are you going to post

the Spider-Man meme of... I already did, yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, yeah, go RT that. There's a great pick. It's like one of the many things she did during the show while she wasn't listening to us speak.

Wait, 2 p.m. Eastern? I would call it multitasking. How about that? 2.m. Pacific or Eastern? I'm also drawing 3D cubes on the back of my paper, and I'm stacking them.

pretty funny it's 2 p.m. Eastern so figure it out for the for the rest 11. 11 a.m. Pacific what a great time just doing math have lunch and watch us on Thursday but we'll be back on Wednesday Dan will be back in the host chair and we're three times a week for the rest of this year for Mark Sessler Chris Wesleying Patrick Claibon and Erica Ricky Hollywood Temposi. See you Wednesday. Ships, Tyler, and Hannah, roll time. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal in a room filled with heroes.

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