NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Brady to the Bay? & Draft Talk with Matt Money Smith

Episode Date: March 4, 2020

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Gregg Rosenthal and Marc Sessler are joined by Matt Money Smith to recap combine and all the "talk" that they heard going around between coache...s and GMs. The guys chat about the upcoming draft class and Money breaks down who to really keep an eye out for. The heroes also break down the latest news including the Brady and SF rumors.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:43 i just feel better when they're not around welcome to another edition of the around the NFL podcast presented by intuit quickbooks the official sponsor of the NFL whoa my name is dan hans is coming to you from a studio filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, Greg Rosenthal, and yes, the first time ever, a live money read by Matt Money Smith. What's up, boys? Thanks for having me. What an honor to be in the same room with all these heroes. I hope you gave me the challenge last night. Dan, you said, will you come up with a live created by yourself, not the great around the NFL listeners, Money Read or Money Tag? And I did that for you, as a matter of fact, Wes. I know you love Bukowski. It's a little Bikowski quote. So there you go. You think this might actually
Starting point is 00:02:30 propel you to be paid for this work at this point because you've probably logged two to three thousand of these. Right. And not a cent has gone in your direction for this. Well, you know, I guess just looking back on precedent, I'm going to guess no. And then pay for the money tags probably won't be paid for the in-person appearance. I mean, yeah, and you're coming in on a day off. Yes. To some degree. Yeah. Well, normally I would be doing a digital work today. Oh, okay. But, you know, so it's budgeted. It's budgeted. It's budgeted. it would have been a nice little... But you're a big deal, because I can't remember us ever actually moving...
Starting point is 00:03:00 You know, you have your big afternoon radio show, Petrus and Money, in L.A., so we actually moved our time and we're in a totally different studio, the one we do our TV show, just for you. Just for me. I don't think that's ever happened before. Just for me. And because you guys all like the music, you did it for a good cause, the man that actually kind of got me into the business of entertainment, Kevin Weatherly, the longtime programmer of K. Rock is retiring, so I have to go to his retirement lunch today.
Starting point is 00:03:25 man who found the Gugu Dahl's name was his responsibility. They just dug it out from the Metal Blade record catalog and started playing it amongst many hits. So that is why I'm here early today. We just did the Dizzy Up the Girl album on the Throwback podcast. You know what? Hold on. Deep dive. Let me bookmark that real quick and make sure I get a little bit of this.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Google Dahls had a run where they were kind of the go-to pre-game or halftime show or like the kickoff special Googles. Not offensive, but rocking up. But then train came for their corner. Exactly. Like, sorry. And it got nasty. It got real ugly.
Starting point is 00:04:04 Some of our earliest interactions with Matt Money before we really did any work together was Dan and I sending out top five lists of like counting through the songs and you right away decided you hated our musical days. I still have it. I still have it. Money still has on his phone
Starting point is 00:04:18 because I checked in a couple months ago because money. It would take me a one now that I've I got 90,000 photos with children. Well, I have it off the top of my head, the top five is the live songs, the band live. I believe that, what was the best was the intro line. It was like, for those keeping track, top five live songs all the time. Presumptive. Yeah. It's like, I don't think anybody's keeping track.
Starting point is 00:04:39 But we, we, uh, it's like, it's like, for those who have asked, here's my top five. That's exactly what I want. No one. No one. I mean, it was asked. I have to say that. Just let the history state that. that it got out that I was a live fan. I don't know, it leaked, that I was a fan of live. There was a rhetorical question. Dan, what are your favorite live songs? Funny, you should ask, Dan, you ask. And the number one song, I believe I might have had
Starting point is 00:05:05 selling the drama there, which I don't know if it would hold up. You know, Iris is a sneaky gem. Now you're back to the Goo Goo Goo Dolls. I have kicked this thing off track immediately. My great apologies, everybody. I just remember the two words, Likini's Juice. Bannie. I was like, all right, we got to put an end to this.
Starting point is 00:05:23 And money has as the, you were basically the boss who decided went on K Rock, which is the most influential FM rock radio station in the world. And you might have contributed to the end of life's career. Because you had that type of sweat. I, uh, well, just quickly, two things. Uh, one, I, the man whose lunch I'm attending today was the, was the key master. So I would bring him things and he would either say, you know, thumbs up or thumbs down. And that's how they would get on. But two, live, when we first played, I'll tell you a funny live story, we first played, oh gosh, help me out, lightning crashes. Because, you know, radio is, for those of you that like the innocence of music, the idea of a singer-songwriter, we didn't play it in its entirety. We're like, we're not playing a freaking five-and-a-half-minute song, you know, so we cut out a portion of it.
Starting point is 00:06:17 And there was like this sect of live fans that were so offended and angry. And I was like, who are these people? It's not like it's this masterpiece that we're playing. We don't want a six-minute song. We want a three-and-a-half-minute song. Plus, like, on the radio, you kind of lose, like, the raw sexuality that you get from Ed Kowalczyk in a video. You know, if you see him on MTV. As long as you didn't cut out the part where it's like,
Starting point is 00:06:39 The Angel opens her eyes, Pam, blue-colored hours. That stayed. That stayed. But then there was also the moment when I turned on live officially, and I guess I really never turned on them. I just liked them even less was when Ed said that his band was bigger than you too. We have a...
Starting point is 00:06:55 He said that. He did say that. A studio filled with sub, you know, 20-somethings and they have no idea what we've been talking about. Okay, rock music was a genre. All right, money's here.
Starting point is 00:07:08 I'm going to apologize for that last 10 minutes. No, I loved it. And Iris was, yes, the Gougu Dolls hit, but also was a live song off throwing copper. Just so we're all in the same picture.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Is this the first ever throwback podcast outside of your garage? Exactly right. Going to get money in the garage eventually. Eventually. All right, here we go. You are a man. I'm a man that knows so much about different sports and different leagues.
Starting point is 00:07:33 And we are, when it comes to this time of season, the NFL podcast, we're a little vulnerable because it's a blind spot college football. Now, you cover it very closely, and you were just in Indianapolis and helped anchor the coverage there for NFL Network. So we wanted to have you on the show and just kind of get your... Combine it up. Combine it up, get your vibe. And if you could sit in on the news with us, we'd love that too.
Starting point is 00:07:56 Sure. We'd love to just get as much money as we can. So... Hold on how about this? I always find it interesting, like, what people that don't watch a lot of college football take away from the combine. Because you go in, if you watch college with these preconceived notions, and if, you know, and you have your recency or confirmation biases, and when your guy, you know, that you like,
Starting point is 00:08:16 does great at the combine, you're like, see, I don't. When they do bad, you just, it's like it works perfectly. You say, whatever, I don't care about the combo. Look at the pro day. I mean, come on, yeah, you got pro day coming. It's all good. So it's always interesting for me to hear people start talking about people like Mackay Beckton or Murray or, I mean, Leviska Chanel, like these people that, you know, you watch all season long
Starting point is 00:08:37 and you're like, oh, wow, this is like now making its way because obviously it's a much bigger production. It's a different lens. And you kind of have already formed your opinions about a lot of these guys over watching them. Because remember, they got to play three years. So you see a lot of, a lot of football from each of these prospects before they get to the combine. So what did you, like, was there anything that jumped out at any view? Did someone change your mind, like you had a feeling of before the combine having watched them, and you were kind of surprised what happened?
Starting point is 00:09:06 Yeah, so like the interesting thing about Oklahoma is, you know, for those that pay attention, sorry for being, I don't want to, you know, kind of whatever. college football, spleen it to you. That's not what I'm trying to do. No, we need that. We skate by through the college football. Like, we don't percent that. It's fair.
Starting point is 00:09:22 All spreads aren't equal, right, in college football. They're different. The Oklahoma spread, and what Lincoln Riley's been able to do, is figure out a way to get guys so open. You can't, like, it's crazy that people haven't been able to crack the riddle. You know, Oklahoma players are so open on so many plays against Big 12. Look, Big 12 is not a place for defense. But I think they've also gotten their bad reputation because of what Oklahoma has done to the Big 12 and the points and the yards.
Starting point is 00:09:51 So I kind of went in wondering, okay, what do we make a CD Lamb? Like, is he really that good? Are we really putting him in the same category as Jerry Judy, who you talk to people. And when you watch him against SEC defenses is this just magical route runner and this complete receiver. And then you see CD Lamb out there and you're like, holy crap. Like, yeah, all of his production, yes, he had Baker, Kyler, Jalen back to back. back as his quarterbacks, but he is as responsible for their success as they are for his. And he is a special player watching him out there and talking to him and hearing from people
Starting point is 00:10:24 in the interview rooms. I think that was probably one of the bigger takeaways I had, that he looks to maybe be a little bit ahead of Judy. And really in that category, that rare wide receiver that you could draft in the top seven, and no one would blink. Because going into it, there was some talk maybe there isn't like a Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones in this class. but I feel like as the time goes on,
Starting point is 00:10:46 maybe they're pushing closer to that. I think he's a, you know, I think the comparison, you know, measurable production style is apt and it's DeAndre Hopkins. That's what he is. And I talked to someone who works for a team that very well could draft him
Starting point is 00:11:04 and are inside, I'll just say the top 15 and they said, I was in the interview room when Hopkins came in. Chargers, by the way. This is a humble brag here. This is why we bring money on. The voice of the Chargers is talking about the Chargers. He said the thing about Hopkins, and what did Hopkins slip to?
Starting point is 00:11:20 Like 20, he was late 20s, right? I think he was in the 20s. So he said, I remember walking out of the room saying, there's something about that guy. It just feels like you don't see it from wide receivers, but then he just claw your eyes out to get an extra couple yards. And he said, that position doesn't necessarily generate that type of behavior or disposition. And they're like, Citi's the first player I felt that had that.
Starting point is 00:11:40 Oh, darn. I love that. So you mix that with the talent. And, yeah, that was definitely one of the big winners to come out of there. Hopkins went 27th overall in 2013. So everyone keeps saying this is the best wide receiver class. And sometime, I guess from a depth perspective, did you see that? And have you seen that during the time season?
Starting point is 00:12:00 Yeah, I've seen it for a while now. It is a really good group of wide receivers, which makes it interesting, right? If you're like, just look at the Raiders. So you've got 12 and 19. And everybody has circled that as a Jerry Judy or a C.D. Lamb spot. But look at everything else they need. Do you have a favorite guy in maybe a second or third tier of the wide receivers? Gosh, I love Michael Pittman out of USC.
Starting point is 00:12:24 That's someone who's real physical. And you see how well, you know, just kind of look at Juju and kind of what was said about him at the combine, athletically from a number standpoint. And then you see what he's able to become in the NFL. This is Michael Pittman's son? Yeah, this is Michael Pittman. Junior. It is.
Starting point is 00:12:41 Michael Pittman, one of the most underrated. fantasy football assets of the early odds. You're getting 70 catches and 900 rushing yards. Forget about it. Huge pikes. Like a great Super Bowl? Yeah, I think probably the most swole receiver, right? The most swole receiver ever, right?
Starting point is 00:12:58 No, David Boston. David Boston was a running back who caught. Well, Boston wasn't fair because I don't think it was natural. Boston was like Bain by the end of his career. Yes, I've scattered this all over the place. I feel like there are so many teams that need receivers.
Starting point is 00:13:13 Because it's kind of like, is this just where the league is going, that you now need four or five. Right. And so many of the good teams need receivers, too. Like, if you think the Eagles, the Patriots, sure, the Raiders, too. But, like, there aren't that many teams that you look around that feels like don't need receivers. Well, like, look at last year, right? I mean, just all, you know, your draft, all these guys, McLaurin, these guys are all second rounders, you know, Samuel. And I think that'll be similar.
Starting point is 00:13:37 Yeah, AJ Brown. That'll be similar this year. I mean, D.K. Metcalf, where, you know, I mean, Jefferson from LSU, you know, Higgins from Clemson. I mean, I don't want to just kind of get into the name salad thing and just start rattling off a bunch of guys. But yeah, I think it's it. So what I'm getting at with the Raiders.
Starting point is 00:13:51 And the Keel Harry went in front of all of them. Exactly, yeah, there you go. So, and that's what's tough, right? We'll see. You never quite know. It's not looking good. How they're going to make that jump. But the thing is, you know, can you play press man?
Starting point is 00:14:04 Can you, you know, and that's what you don't see a lot of in college. So I think that's something they got all sort out. But, you know, going back to the Raiders real quick. So they need all this defensive help. there's like two really good corners and then there's a huge drop you know there's akuta and there's henderson and then after that so it's like if you're at 12 and you you have this sort of freak in cd lamb but you need this corner and you have maybe c j henderson there like what do you do what's the right what's the right thing to do there um i also haven't ruled out them for like trading up for a
Starting point is 00:14:34 quarterback with those picks if they don't get a veteran i've heard uh i've heard that that that's a very real possibility that they like Jordan Love quite a bit. I don't know if he'd be there, I think. He might be there at 12. I feel like every quarterback at this point, and it's a bit of a trope, but they're just going to flush up the board and be gone much higher. I mean, looking at the quarterbacks, is there one out there that's starting to get a lot of buzz? But in your mind, which one could use a like a red shirt year in the NFL and not be thrown into the fire you know, come September? I mean, I think Burrow would be fine.
Starting point is 00:15:12 You know, just that's the guy that I'd be the least worried about. Two, I think it'd be fine if he was healthy, but I'm guessing he's probably going to get a red shirt, you know, with that hip. And, you know, like, it's interesting, right? So the whole Jordan Love thing is kind of weird to me because we saw that Josh Allen was pretty darn successful right away. And it feels like Jordan Love's way ahead of that. And when you kind of start going through, look at Carson Wentz and, oh, well, you know, Jordan Love plays for Utah State, you know, who cares?
Starting point is 00:15:44 It's like, well, Carson Wentz played for North Dakota State, you know? And like, it's not like the Pac-12 was throwing out these super monstrous defenses nor are the Big 12 that Jared Gough and Kyler Murray are having to deal with when you talk about taking a step to the NFL. So that's something I've never really understood is taking a shot at a guy for the level of competition in college. I know you want to see them put up just bafo numbers year after year to feel better, but I do think there is something to be said about just being comfortable with the way someone plays the position. And so I think that's where, you know, maybe the numbers of Justin Herbert versus the eye test of Jordan Love is really going to come into play. And I think that's like to me, Herbert's a weird one. And I watched a lot of Pac-12 football.
Starting point is 00:16:29 I just, I don't know. I guess, like, you just ever feel a spark about something? Like, that's kind of what you want, I think, from a quarterback. And even in his best gains, you just don't feel it. That's part of the package, isn't it? Dan felt the first time he heard live. It just was like. Playing lives by the Riverside.
Starting point is 00:16:46 That's good. That's going to be the interesting one is if, you know, where Herbert goes. Because I've heard that teams like him more than Tua, like that, you know, which is crazy to me. Like that I can't understand, you know. And the thing about Tua, I think is, I feel like I'm talking way too much on this pot. No, do it. I feel like if Tua checks out medically, right, in the second, in the recheck, then he's going. He's going at two or three.
Starting point is 00:17:12 Like, someone, you know, if he doesn't, then okay, exactly. So, like, then what happens? Then I don't know what the landing spot is for him. So it just feels like, too, I think he's going to get, you know, good marks on the recheck from what it sounded like coming out of indie from the trauma doctors. That's crazy that you have to say that, right? You know, it's not a, not a medical. physician. It's a trauma doctor that has to give you the diagnosis, and they gave you the
Starting point is 00:17:32 thumbs up. Trauma. Right? It was a trauma injury. It wasn't a football. Right? So that's the weird thing about Tua. I mean, football is trauma. Turns out. I mean, I don't know. Like, throw us out there. It would be traumatic. Like if you were, if you were the Bengals, who would you want to be your quarterback moving forward? Well, that leads, Burrow is the guy everybody's connecting to Cincinnati Maddie and Joe Burrow, Chase Young, who a lot of people think goes number two potentially to the Redskins, but we'll see when we talk about these quarterbacks. But Burrow and Young are both, they're getting some hype as generational type talents. Do you see that for both of those guys?
Starting point is 00:18:10 I mean, for Burrow, I thought our colleague, and I know you don't like to hear his name, but Daniel Jeremiah put it best. This time of year, it's okay. And that is, you know, that sometimes it takes a minute. He's like a February to May kind of task. Is that right? He's seasonal for you? all the DJ is faking it on any little.
Starting point is 00:18:27 Have you, like, what does he do the rest of the year? Are you aware of, like, during this? Well, that's one of the reasons why I am so well versed in all of this, because I get to cheat off his task. He and I sit next to each other on the charters, and he just watches films. They just talks and talks and talks. One of my great- You did the Chargers broadcasts with him, to be clear. Yes, yes.
Starting point is 00:18:45 DJ is the color analyst. I am the play-by-play man for the Chargers, so we're on these charters. And sometimes, you know, because you're a West Coast team, you're on the plane a lot. You know, our flights are long. So we're watching six hours of Alabama film or just offensive linemen. It's fun. You want to party with you. Exactly, right?
Starting point is 00:19:05 Now, I will say DJ's drinking ginger ale. I am not. I'll just leave it as that. And sometimes I have been tempted to switch the glasses just to see what would happen. If just a drip would hit his little. But if you like pull back like that football and that's all great, it's interesting. Like, is there anything else there? To DJ?
Starting point is 00:19:25 You're just going to pull it back and just like... It's a question that had to be asked. Yeah. I mean, just, you know, a good, a good honest, anything more, God-fearing man that loves his family. Overrated. Yeah, that's DJ. That's DJ.
Starting point is 00:19:41 You know, we invite him out a lot, and because the football season, he's still, I mean, that's what's crazy about it. His oldest kid is older than Wes. That's what's weird about, that's what's tough about the job. Like, if you do it right, and I think, you know, all, God, I almost did it. I'm not going to say, I'm just going to say, all kidding aside, it's so stupid. But if you do it right, because I do believe there are people in high profile positions that don't do it right, and they just start spouting off, and you'll catch them and realize they never watch that guy.
Starting point is 00:20:11 DJ does it right, and he commits ridiculous hours to it. Like, look, I'll watch two games of Jedrick Wills, but then I'm up. I'm up, and I'm walking around, and I'm seeing if there's a card game, because I'm on a booze and I might need to get a beer from someone. It's like, hey, man, I can't, I'm not doing this anymore. But he's dedicated.
Starting point is 00:20:31 You know how to get this down to the three and a half minute version of the single for this show, right? I like that money just told us he's a much more well-rounded person than DJ. Oh, wow, that's interesting. I want to hear more stories of what goes on on the charter.
Starting point is 00:20:44 I like to live, I like to experience. Philip Rivers taking people's money in card games? No. And we are separated. So the charter is coaches, coaches and staff, medical is upstairs. We fly 747. Players are in the middle, and then media
Starting point is 00:21:00 and just kind of slapies. We're in the back. You refer to yourself as a slapy. I think you know that you're not a slappy. You have like 12 jobs. You have multiple streams of income. I'm just getting towards the bank account. You're not slappy.
Starting point is 00:21:13 In the frame of reference that is Charger ranks, you know, I probably fit into the slappy ranks. Back to the generational thing, though. Do you see either of those guys, Joe Barrow or Chase Young? is next level, all pros, that type of... So, like, this is what's funny coming out, right? Is most combines when you leave, if you have, you know, conversations with scouts,
Starting point is 00:21:32 they'll usually give you a name or two. Like, last year, I remember coming out there, like, I don't know, man, there's Nick Bosen, and I really don't know anything else. Like, I know Nick Bosa's going to be good, is what we heard from almost all of them, and you don't get another name. And, like, that's pretty par for the course. They might give you one or two names. They might see, I really like the...
Starting point is 00:21:51 I think this is the quarterback that has... Out of this combine, I've never seen scouts with permigrin like they have. They're like, you've got three tackles that I feel really good about in Bechtin, Wills and Worf's. You've got two receivers in Judy and Lamb that I think are going to be franchise level-wide receivers. You've got Joe Burrow, Tua. Everybody seems to agree that those two are special, special quarterbacks. And then you've got a corner in a kuda.
Starting point is 00:22:17 Like, I've never heard guys talk about, you know, I didn't even say Chase Young or Brown. Like, I've never heard so many names of, like, they never say sure thing, but that you feel like I'm getting a really, really good player. If I'm picking in the top 12 or 13, that's just never sad. Like, if Okuda was in the Eric Fisher draft, he might be going one. Right. But this is more like that, what, 2011 draft, maybe 24, you know, where it's pretty good one to 12. This is a great off season, by the way. The Fisher draft is the worst draft ever.
Starting point is 00:22:47 Like, that's what's crazy about that draft. When you go through it, it's like, they didn't miss. Actually, Eric Fisher wasn't the worst pick there. He really wasn't. He was like an okay starting tackle. And there was a lot of other ways to miss a lot bigger there. Was the Eric, that was when it was like, Luke Jokel was going to be the first pick.
Starting point is 00:23:04 And that it was like, uh-oh, huge news from the draft stage. It's not going to be Luke Jokel. It will be Eric Fisher. Great. Jake Matthews. But that's what's crazy. Hold on to your butts. Think about doing a redraft and putting a wide receiver at number one.
Starting point is 00:23:19 Like that's how bad that draft. after was. This, thinking about Bill Barsells coming out of retirement to draft Jake Long over Matt Ryan. People forget about that.
Starting point is 00:23:27 Yeah, there's that. But this is a really deep, fun draft class. An insane free agency year with all the quarterbacks and everything. So, that's good. It's a good time to be an NFL thing.
Starting point is 00:23:38 Too many quarterbacks. There's just simply too many of them. See, that's what I'm trying to figure out. Like, I don't know. Is there going to be a Philip Rivers or a Derek Carr or a James. Marcus Mariotta,
Starting point is 00:23:50 James, that's just left holding it. Especially if someone like... If someone like the Bucks actually went in on Teddy Bridgewater, which there's a little bit of talk that could be possible, then it does feel like there's just not enough spots. That's someone like James or Derek Carr or someone that you just wouldn't think could get left out in the cold will.
Starting point is 00:24:09 Well, now that Philip Rivers is no longer connected to the Chargers, he's not going to be on the Charter plane, you're not going to be calling his games maybe one or so, but we'll see. Is he shot? Can he play anymore? No, I think he can still play. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:24:23 I think you put him behind a good offensive line, and he is still as masterful at diagnose in defense and recognizing a weak spot. So you think you do well say the cults? To me, that's just the perfect marriage. You put him on that team with that O line, with a solid running game, a scheme that he's familiar with, a coach that he's familiar with, and I would expect him to thrive. I would certainly say it's an upgrade over Jacoby Percette.
Starting point is 00:24:48 That's for certain. I have a question just for my own edification here. There is a trend in the NFL over the last, say, half decade where edge rushers have really exploded and proliferated around the league and offensive linemen are almost extinct coming out of college. And this year we're seeing sort of a reverse of that trend where the offensive tackle class seems talented, freakishly athletic, and deep. And the edge rusher class seems really thing compared to previous years. do you see this if you can look at college football and say, is there a chance this becomes a thing where it happens more than one year or is this the outlier?
Starting point is 00:25:25 It's a gosh, I'm going to do this too. It's a great question because it's a question that I ask repeatedly to college coaches. I ask, why is defensive line so far ahead of offensive line? What is going on? The guys come in at the same age. They come in knowing what their position is going to be. So why do we get so much more pressure on quarterbacks in the NFL? then we do protection.
Starting point is 00:25:49 And there's really never been a good answer. The one thing I'll tell you about offensive line in college is it's the only, it's the only coach, position coach, that the head coach can F with. If you have a good offensive line coach, they are on an island. Don't you dare say a bad word to them because we can't afford to lose them. So that kind of gives you an idea of how hard it is to find a really good offensive line coach in college and the kind of impact it can have. I don't know if it just takes longer.
Starting point is 00:26:16 You know, one of my theories, and this came up when Jason Smith was drafted out of Baylor. And I said this in the moment. I said, how does it make any sense to draft an O. Lyman out of Baylor when the quarterback doesn't have the ball, but for maybe three quarters of a second to a second. He was a safe pick. One of the worst NFL picks of the last decade. And I said that, and I think that's kind of what happened a little bit in college, is you've got so many of these spread offenses where Lyman, they're not run blocking. They don't have to pass block for more than.
Starting point is 00:26:46 but, you know, it's like Dan Marino's back there, you know. You get the snaps there and then the ball is out. So you don't really know. You don't really have to. I said, I'd be drafted my guys from Navy and from Georgia Tech and guys that ran the option. Give me some nasty offensive linemen that actually have to engage and be physically overpowering. But I think we're starting to get some of that back, right? As there was that huge zig.
Starting point is 00:27:05 And now, you know, like Stanford came with their power running game. And Notre Dame got going with a bit of a power running game. And, oh, what do you know, Mike McGlinchie and, you know, and all these, Quentin Nelson, And all these old linemen are coming out of Notre Dame. And the 49ers and the Ravens. And they're pretty darn good, you know. So I think that's, I think we're starting to see a bit of a zag back in college where there are more pro sets. And there is more attention paid to a running game.
Starting point is 00:27:30 And I think that's why you saw so many offensive linemen drafted out of Iowa, Wisconsin, because they've never, you know, they've never strayed from that. They've always kind of done, that's what Iowa and Wisconsin football do. I've been doing some homework on the edge rushing class digging into some tape of my own. Okay, yeah. This young man out of Penn State. Yitor Gross-Mattoes. Why would someone name a child that? Yeah. First round prospect.
Starting point is 00:27:51 I was told his name rhymes with detour. So I guess Y-Tor. And then someone was like, no, it doesn't. I was like, whatever. Rose Matos. Yeah, I can't answer that. I don't know why he would be named. But I would assume, based on the three names together, maybe international player sort. I want to see you ask that question. Yeah, what's wrong about being an international player? Not saying things wrong, just asking why that would be the, like the group of words. you'd come up with. Yes, it's, you know, I think, I wonder if moving forward if he's going to be known as YGM, you know, is a play by play guy? I may, I may call him YGM moving forward. Before we get to some news, what is Tua's last name? So this is pretty easy. It's, it's the, people don't
Starting point is 00:28:36 know there's ends where there are no ends. So it's Tonga Viloa. It's not hard. It's pretty simple. Tunga Vailola. I haven't heard you say it Greg on our show. I have, you've actually been asking me, you did this, we've done this same bit. You made me say it every time. It starts with tongue. So I'll give you, here we go. Here's, I'm going to give you guys a little peek into the future.
Starting point is 00:28:55 So the name you're going to have to learn how to pronounce because he's the best high school football player I've ever seen in my life. And he played here in Southern California. He was the quarterback for St. John Bosco that just won the national championship. Well, it's a fictional national championship. Modern Day wins every time. Don't you dare disparage the monies. All right.
Starting point is 00:29:11 Modern Day was like the 90s. I told his knowledge deep. No, no, they've been really good. the last couple years. So Modern Day and Bosco have traded titles, but it's inexplicable that both of these quarterbacks are leaving the state of California. It's the state of affairs of UCLA and USC football. So DJ Ui-Angol-Lole is the name. DJ Ui-U-I-U-I. It's got to be DJ Ui-U-I. A lot of people call him Ui, but it's Ui-Ui-U-Lal-Lay. He will replace Trevor Lawrence at Clemson. He'll be a freshman this year, and he will replace Lawrence the
Starting point is 00:29:41 following year and he is ridiculous. DJ Ui Gunga Lala. That money, sweet. He's Mr. Southern California. He's bringing us high school names. I'm just, hey, all the folks that are listening that like college football, they'll know the name, certainly when Trevor Lawrence has taken I like listening to you and Petros. Before I haven't met you, I would drive around L.A. listening to that show and you guys would dig into high school football to a degree where I had no idea what you were talking about, but it was entertaining. Thank you. Thank you. Full of. Love high school football because it's, you know, it's the cradle of it here in Southern California. Bryce Young, by the way, was the moderate day quarterback this year. Is he going to
Starting point is 00:30:13 USC or UCLA? No, he'll be going to Alabama. It's funny. You say you love high school football, but when I was on those cold, wet benches in Rockland and Westchester County over in New York and the early aughts, I never saw money. No, you didn't. No, as a matter of fact you didn't because I was here in Southern California. When the Nanuette Black Knights, Golden Knights were up against the Pro River Pirates. See? Zucer was there. That's right. Zuser. Talking to Bruce Miller. Is that what they called you the Zuser? Key words on the bench. Shortly I call myself to County, the cradle of football. Short yardage back.
Starting point is 00:30:38 Get the zooser. It's third and one. Pull back. All right, let's do some news. When push comes to shove over the next 10 days, 15 days, whether the Patriots will be able to exert upon him and convince him that, look, this is the best place for you. It always has been.
Starting point is 00:30:58 It always will be. We want you here. You know, we had Tom Curran of, NBC Boston on our show just Monday. I thought we had a nice interview with them. He shared some good nugs. He gave us some clarity on the Tom Brady situation. But I didn't see a roto world blurb come out of our show, which is disappointing.
Starting point is 00:31:22 Let's just be honest. The aggregators didn't pick up on your interview. We didn't get any. Wouldn't you say that that's on us? Yes. All I thought when I saw this news that he made yesterday was, gosh, I wish we asked about the quarter of us. NBC Sports, Boston's Tom Curran told our old friend Chris Mad Dog Russo on his radio show
Starting point is 00:31:43 that the chatter connecting Tom Brady to the 49ers is, quote, real. Now, again, I heard that in Indy, by the way, before Dion went on the air and said it. I had heard that, which, and I dismissed it. I said, that's ridiculous. And then I would assume Dion heard it as well. and because he's a master at disseminating information, played it as, you know, I got an idea. This is crazy, but, you know, hear me out here, you know.
Starting point is 00:32:13 But that was as early as like Friday, Thursday Friday, that was kicking around. I mean, if you're Jimmy Garoppolo. The details of it are pretty fascinating that Tom, that Curran said it was from both sides. Of course, Tom Brady wants to play for the 49ers. He's looking around the league at possible teams to play for. that I can't come up with a better pick, not just because he used to... It's his childhood favorite team.
Starting point is 00:32:35 Right, I mean, that's the starting point, but the next would be how good they are and how much they can protect them. Everything's great. But the fact that the 49ers have some mutual interest, according to this report, is why. And put yourself in Garoppolo shoes. You have a really...
Starting point is 00:32:49 You get traded from Tom Brady's team across the country. You have this great ending to the season with the Niners. Then you blow out your knee. You play much better than Tom Brady in 2019. You blow out your knee. very fresh. You come back, you improve as a player. Maybe you're not all the way there where you're a superstar. Maybe you'll never be that guy. But you have a better season than Tom Brady. Your team goes to the Super Bowl and has a double-digit lead in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl. And now you're hearing that the guy that you had to go 3,000 miles across the country to get out from under might come back to you. That's a tough situation. It stinks, but I would say that you look back that when the Jimmy G trade happened, there were whispers that the 49ers had.
Starting point is 00:33:32 inquired about Tom Brady. Not even whispers. I mean, that was out there. And secondly, if you're Tom Brady and you're going to leave Josh McDaniels in this embedded Patriots environment for Team X, and you have no idea what really is happening. The one team I could trust if I'm Tom Brady is going and teaming with Kyle Shanahan and seeing how that two-year process would play out. It's the first one where I've thought this is the first Brady rumor where it makes sense on his side.
Starting point is 00:33:57 I don't know how it makes sense for the 49ers, but it does make sense for Tom Brady. Well, there is a thought that Jimmy G. and Kyle Shanahan aren't a perfect match where he's not, you know, doing what Kyle wants, reading, you know, there's answers on every play, and that maybe Jimmy G doesn't always have the answers. Just watch the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl. And look, if you're trying to, like, compare the ability to win before the snap or the mental ability of a quarterback, comparing someone to Tom Brady, you're not going to end up looking great. But I think that's someone where Kyle Shanahan would look. That's the advantage that Tom Brady would give to them. That he would know all the answers. And as crazy as it is, I mean, I'm not putting this as like it's the answer.
Starting point is 00:34:46 But PFF, for instance, had Tom Brady as a much higher rated quarterback last year. And I don't think that's that crazy. I think Tom Brady played at a similar or better level to Jimmy G. Let's put Brady's entire 2019 season under the same microscope that Jimmy G's fourth quarter has been under. and you're going to see a guy who failed over and over again with the New England Patriots. It feels tremendously short-sighted if the Niners went this route. I mean, Brady's going to be, what, 43 in August? He's showing signs of slippage.
Starting point is 00:35:11 Garapolo is a guy that's still in his 20s. What is Kyle Shanahan? That doesn't make sense. Right. What do you do in 2020? It makes perfect sense. You have to think long-term. No, you don't.
Starting point is 00:35:23 Because if you're Kyle Shanahan, you're up 28 to 3 in the Super Bowl, you lose, and now what are the Falcons? They've never been back. They're not the same. Your window, that's the thing that's, you know, and I experienced it, you know, from two years ago with the Chargers at 12 and 4, beating the Ravens, going to New England, it's tied at 7, you feel like, okay, this is great. Then Brady gets the best of you. You come back the following year, and people are picking it to win the Super Bowl to win the division. You've already beat Patrick Mahomes once. Maybe you've figured it out with Derwin James, and it falls apart. You can't, like, there is no long term in the NFL. I get it. So just go get it. Go win the one championship and worry about it. Wouldn't it be a one-year scenario, too? That's it. Just a one-year scenario. It also would just indicate that they don't, that Jimmy Garapolo is someone that they're ambivalent about long-term.
Starting point is 00:36:08 Because I think there is a, there are a number of quarterbacks, or there are situations where, of course, they would not want to jump off a guy in his 20s. But if they consider to move like this, it's because they don't feel great about Jimmy G. But I'll tell you, I'll tell you who is excited about this news. Me. I mean, if there's a perfect situation for Patriots fans, this is it. I mean, this is, this is the result.
Starting point is 00:36:32 This is what I, as a selfish fan would have wanted. I've said, you know, on this podcast, I don't want to see Tom Brady play poorly in any uniform, but I'd rather him play poorly in another uniform than the Patriots. And this is sort of like, neatly solved. I'm just saying, but I would think, we talk about Patriots fans all the time.
Starting point is 00:36:51 It's all you ever bring up. I wish I could jump off of it. But this would bring me back in. I mean, get Debbie G. I think it comes down to this. Does Kyle Shanahan, think that Jimmy Grappolo holds them back right now. And if he does, then it makes sense to look into it, I guess, if you're interested in that.
Starting point is 00:37:05 It is coach speak, but they absolutely believe it. Is Guy A better than guy B? Do I think my team has a better chance to win a Super Bowl with Tom Brady or Jimmy Garoppelow next year? Because if I believe it's Tom Brady, guess who's coming to play quarterback for me? It's Tom Brady. This is too good to happen. I mean, that's some Pinconi stuff right there. Jimmy G winds up back with the Patriots as their starter.
Starting point is 00:37:25 I mean, Greg, you can't just sell that down the river as, an organic happening. That feels to me like a pre-packaged, pre-planned plot hatched years ago. But by the way, they don't have to trade Jimmy G. Right. There's no. I'm sure there's a market for Jimmy Gropa out there. There is no reporting on that whatsoever. I've just connected down. There are plenty of quarterback-needed teams that would probably trade for him, that he has played well enough. All right. Moving on, but that is juicy. And yes, you know, it is just talking about it on a Monday show, there was a list of 13 or 14 established NFL quarterback.
Starting point is 00:37:58 that are in some state of limbo right now in the league. I didn't have Jimmy G on the list. We've got to put Jimmy G. He's got to be on the list now. Put him on. That's 14. If those dominoes fall that way. And you know what? The list I brought up on Monday show, I didn't put Josh Rosen on.
Starting point is 00:38:12 We should put him on there. He's a first round pick. Established quarterback. I'm about established. Akely Smith was the first round pick too, and we're not putting him on. I'll keep him off. It's 14. Jim Drunken Miller.
Starting point is 00:38:21 Speaking of moving on, I need to move on. Oh, you got to go do your thing. I need to go move on to NFL now. I bet you could come back and we'll be wrapping things up. with money. I'm coming back for the time. Who's your NFL Now husband today? Who are you doing NFL Now with today? I'm not sure. Either Andrew Siciliano or Patrick Claibon. I thought we had an exclusive NFL Now relationship. I didn't know it was an open connection. I don't like that. You're the only one
Starting point is 00:38:45 we have that little sizzle reel. That's right. Of our laugh right. I like if they use that sizzle reel every single time. I know. I try to tell them to go away and it's all old stuff. Yeah. I just do what the producers tell me. I've said that same thing. Are you 1050? you have a hit? Yes. You better motor on over there. Better motor your little butt over there.
Starting point is 00:39:03 Look at those buns. Get HR on the phone. If you had said buns, it would have been fine. But when you said little buns, now we got a problem. We got a problem. All right. The Jaguars have agreed to trade cornerback, A.J. Bouillet to the Denver Broncos. How about this?
Starting point is 00:39:21 Jacksonville rules will receive a 20-20 fourth round selection in return. It's a cap space clearing move. Tom Pelliserow reported, and Bouillet arrived as a big free agent signing in 2017, paired him with Jalen Ramsey Mark, and it was like, ah, Jacksonville is set at cornerback for years. Well, guess what? They're basically hitting the reset button. We talk about how there's some big cornerbacks, a couple big cornerbacks on the board in April. Well, Jacksonville makes sense as a team that might have to go after a cornerback
Starting point is 00:39:51 because they've cleared out the cupboard. Yeah, I mean, where Denver is looking to, you know, progress after what will be the loss of Chris Harris, You look at the people that have departed, we mentioned this on our last episode, the people that have departed Jacksonville's defense over the last couple years, and they were one of the worst defenses down the stretch last season.
Starting point is 00:40:09 It's hard to look at that roster right now and say, bounce back campaign, not at all. And it's, when so many, when you see Jalen Ramsey tweeting too that he was happy for Boyer to get out of there, that I do just think that there's... Free all my dogs, D-A-W-G-S. Something with the Doug Morone experience,
Starting point is 00:40:28 and there could be other people attached to that is rubbing people the wrong way in Jacksonville. When you're stealing players celebrating other players escaping that environment, that's notable. Well, it feels like Tom Coughlin tore the whole thing down and he was scapegoated, I guess, but can we talk about the Leonard Fornett gift, the Will Smith standing in an empty room?
Starting point is 00:40:49 When it's already been tweeted out by other athletes in the exact same scenario, it doesn't have to be lauded as some hilarious gift. Like, it's already been done. But this is like Twitter in 2020. We've already had every debate, every argument. Everything's already been funny three times. It's not funny the fourth time.
Starting point is 00:41:07 I think this speaks to what I was just talking about. Think about where the Jaguars were two years ago, right? Or was it three years ago, whatever it was? Right. When they played the Patriots in the AFC. You've got one quarter to go and you're in the Super Bowl. And Blake Bortles is your future and you've got this nasty defensive line and this hammerhead of a running back.
Starting point is 00:41:27 And now it's over. It's completely gone. Burn to the ground. Yeah. Look, it's, hey, to pick up on your theme there, you know what Jacksonville said to the Falcons, Hold My Beer. I mean, that's, you know, it's like, whatever. I feel like Hold My Beard dropped off in 2018, and that was great that it went away.
Starting point is 00:41:49 Yes, it was. It needed to be eradicated. Yes, it was. By the way, Mark, it's been a while since you've eradicated terms from Twitter, Maybe a fresh list in the next couple months? Got a couple on the docket. You know what? I'll say this.
Starting point is 00:42:01 We'll say this in defense of the overused meme. I still love that dude sitting at the table, sipping coffee with fire all around him. And this is fine. I really do. I still love it. That connects. I really do.
Starting point is 00:42:13 I still appreciate that. Like the successful mean is you have to watch it over and over and over and over. You find yourself doing that for three straight minutes. Still smiling. This is fine. By the way, Bouye carried. Is it Bouillet or Boisier? Boyet.
Starting point is 00:42:23 Carried a cap number of 15th, nice cover for me there. Yeah, you know. 15.4 million in 2020. I'll let you do it four times before I could reach you. That's a lot. So Jacksonville was not flush with cap space. Now gets a little bit of wiggle. And I would assume it means the Broncos aren't going to sign, you know,
Starting point is 00:42:37 whatever Chris Harris's people were telling them. They're like, yeah, we ain't paying you that. No, he's got plenty of interest on the market. You know what I'm bringing back, though? What's that? Speaking of overuse things. Boo-ya. Good luck, please.
Starting point is 00:42:49 All right. You know what? I'm going to let you have that one, Dan. It's all yours. I don't doubt you anymore after he successfully brought back the Dean. Scream. It came on. Oh, you did?
Starting point is 00:42:59 I did. It brought back. It's huge right now. After New Hampshire, did you? It was, you know, it was huge, what, in 04? When did that happen? One of the D-Scribes? I brought it back in about 16, 2016, and it was a lot of buzz.
Starting point is 00:43:10 And then I got off it, but it could make another comeback. It's like we were talking about, like, LeBron and Jordan and these people have multiple peaks. I don't know how we're gauging a lot of buzz or successful here, but I will go with you on this. Mark, guess what? Everything's cool with Odell Beckham. Ian Rapp report reports that Cleveland has no plans to trade their wide receiver, their temperamental wide receiver. And guess what?
Starting point is 00:43:37 How sure are they of this? When they unveil their new uniforms in a month or so or whatever, he is planning to be part of the fashion show. I can see that. I would say that's like with anything current plans. That's like the thing he's most excited about this year by far. He's never been more suited about something in Cleveland. Well, the new uniforms, those old ones needed to go, and so that's a nice off-season move. That's how you really win the off-season.
Starting point is 00:44:01 Forget last year, that was a fraud. But Odell Beckham, to me, I mean, unless someone came to Cleveland, because they sound very willing to, guys like Olivier Vernon probably won't be back. Joe Schobert, who I would have re-signed at the right price, there's no interest there. So with O'Dell Beckham, it's hard to believe that if someone had a fascination for him and came with a, you know, a King's Ransom, the Browns would certainly listen and could be swayed. I mean, I don't know how much longer you have Beckham on the map there. Who the hell would offer a Kings Rans?
Starting point is 00:44:30 I think it's a terrible offseason for a lot of these guys. And it's not, you're saying, with the draft talent at that position, why do that? His stock is pretty low, I think, right now. In fact, I think he's a candidate if things get back on track there where he could have a huge bounce back year. But this kind of, if we, this might be a good seg down the road, kind of make or break years or guys, a very important years for guys, this is a big year for Beckham. It is. He played with a torn muscle through the entire year last year. But that's part of the Beckham thing, too.
Starting point is 00:44:59 He's hurt almost every year, Beckham. That's part of the thing that does not get brought up as much. People get down on him, and I have, and a lot of people have, about some of his behavior and his attitude and his ability to be a teammate. But he's always hurt. What good to Lamborghini when it's always in the shop, huh? Hey! Bring on my tools.
Starting point is 00:45:17 But Beckham's pumped about that fashion show. Yes, I would agree with that. Well, I'm not sure. That's all I'm going to add to that story is. Yes, he is excited about that fashion show. Finally, also from Rapsheet, the Cincinnati Bengals, did I pronounce that correctly? I believe that's correct, yes. Are expected to be active in 2020 free agency.
Starting point is 00:45:34 Can I say something right quick? Cincinnati has always been a word that whenever I type it, I'm always surprised at how it's spelled. Tough one. Would you agree with it? I've struggled with it for years. I grew up there, so it's been. Right, that's why I looked at you when I said it. It's ingrained in me, so I think it's peculiar when other people, but other people struggle with the extra N versus the extra T.
Starting point is 00:45:54 I, for years, put that extra N after the sin. Oh, see, a lot of people... It's C-I-N, C-I-N-N. Right. Instead of that second N, a lot of people put a second T at the end. Exactly. That's so wild about it. I always pat myself on the bag, too.
Starting point is 00:46:10 I'm like, yeah. It's not spaghetti. It's right again. You did it right. You know what the NFL player version of that is Jimmy Garoppolo. Garoppel is one I struggled for a wrong time. Oh, yeah, but I always remember TD's advice. First, it's a Garopp.
Starting point is 00:46:23 And then it's a polo. And then it's a polo. Polo. Exactly right. Anyway, Bengals expected to be active in free agency, which, yeah, no doi, okay, they got a lot of host of them. Bring it that back. No doi. But
Starting point is 00:46:36 also, this makes all the sense in the world, Chris Wessling, as a former or Cincinnati native, that if there is any doubt, and there's still percolations, by the way, despite what Mr. Burrough said and money, maybe you could back this up about things you might have heard, that he's not totally sold
Starting point is 00:46:54 on this. I'm going to, I'm the Ohio boy that's going to stay home and play for the local team. If you go out and drop a ton of money and resources and bring in players, that will send a message, you would think, to the kid, that we are serious about building a winner. So, not
Starting point is 00:47:10 only would it functionally make your team potentially better, it also, in the long run or in the short term, sends a message to this kid that maybe you need to send a message to. Well, I feel like I do this every year for somebody who usually roots against the Bengals, but if you strain hard enough. You can see this team making some major improvements. You're talking about a team
Starting point is 00:47:29 that got nothing out of its first round draft pick last year, Jonah Williams, who was supposed to be the left tackle, got nothing out a second round pick, Drew Sample, a tight end. So if those guys come back, they got nothing out of the number one receiver and best player, AJ Green. They got very little out of John Ross, another first round pick. If you get all these guys back, and that's a big if, and they play well, and then you throw your free agent money at defense, which they desperately need linebackers and have for a few years. They desperately need help in the secondary.
Starting point is 00:47:59 You could strain hard enough, I think, and see a team, especially with all the one-score losses they had last year. That's going to even it. This is not your typical worst team in the NFL, number one pick team. They had a lot of bad luck last year on injuries and close games.
Starting point is 00:48:13 I think you could see sort of like a seven and nine team. Wow. I don't think that's too much to ask. But for them to spend money in a free agency, you know, no joy they should because they have the cash. But that is a sharp left turn for the Bengals who have allowed free agency to go year after year
Starting point is 00:48:28 without doing a thing. Their biggest dip into free agency historically has been to bring a guy in on his tour so the agents can use the Bengals to drive up prices on other teams. I mean, look at this way. How helpful. They have a potentially, like, world,
Starting point is 00:48:41 their world-shifting player in Joe Burrow potentially. If there was ever time to spend some money, do it now and start building around your future. Have you heard it? Did you hear anything in Indy? I did. Yeah. Same type of whispers? I did hear that.
Starting point is 00:48:57 I think, you know, if the old truth serum, you don't want to play for Cincinnati. But I think he's also, you know, comfortable with the idea that, hey, I'm going to probably be the number one overall pick and I'm going to make the best of it. It's hard to have, you know, it's not the NBA. It's hard to have leverage. It just is in the NFL. And he's not going to sit out a year. The Bengals know that. So, you know, the way for Joe Burrow to not end up in.
Starting point is 00:49:22 Cincinnati is to reach out to the team he wants to go to and say, hey, offer them whatever you have to offer them and come get me. And I just don't think there's enough, you know, unless it's the dolphins that say to the Bengals, hey, we'll give you all three. We'll give you all three of these first rounders and we'll take number one. And I think that's something you'd have to think long and hard about if you were considering like we talked about how deep this draft is. If you're the Bengals, that is something I would, you know, really consider. Can we get a free agent quarterback to come here, you know, out of this group. We're talking about musical chairs, right? We're not thinking about the Bengals as one of those chairs. We're talking about a Brown family that owns this
Starting point is 00:50:00 team. Right. Where in the past, Mike Brown's comments and his actions, this goes way back 20 years ago, but the Achilles Smith draft when he was offered what the Saints got for Ricky Williams and turned it down. He was offered the Redskins entire draft plus next year's first round and said, no, I've seen my quarterback of the future. It's rare that you get a chance to draft that guy. I'm taking him. And I think with Joe Burrow, he's a guy with perspective. Not every kid coming out of college has great perspective, but he was forced to transfer, was not thought of as a top 10 pick entering the season. And now he's in a enviable position of being the first guy in the draft. So you kind of like just say, hey, I'm in a better position than I thought I was ever
Starting point is 00:50:42 going to be in. I'm just going to enjoy the ride. Well, and if you're Mike Brown, too, you have to recognize, you know, Joe Burroughs, not only is he a talent, but he's got swagger. He's a star. And that city is going to love him because of where he's from and what he represents. Let's do it. Let's make it happen. Let's make Cincinnati fun. Well, money you said it off. Although, real quick, Cincinnati.
Starting point is 00:51:02 Yeah. Did you see Burrow was asked? About the chili? The skyline or the gold star. And he admitted he had never had Gold Star. He had only had Skyline. La Raville Magnifico? And then he answered.
Starting point is 00:51:14 Neither. He was disgusted by the skyline so much so that he would never even try to gold star. Wes. What's your thoughts? Well, I used to be a gold star man. is kind of running against the grain because almost everybody in Cincinnati is skyline. But I used to be a skyline then too,
Starting point is 00:51:27 but now I don't want to tell tales of school. I make my own Cincinnati chili. Is that right? And I smoke all the meat first before I crumble it. Is that right? And it gives it that extra zing from the smoke. So I'm glad I brought this up. I would eat west's chili over any like stormy.
Starting point is 00:51:40 It's like meat sauce. It is chili. It's not quite a chili. It's on noodles, right? It's on spaghetti. It's not Texas-style chili. It's Greek-Midrant Mediterranean immigrant style chili. So what, like walk us through the
Starting point is 00:51:51 Real quick, just, I'm sorry, I've done it again. The difference between what sets Cincinnati different is you've got cinnamon in there. Okay. You've got a little bit of chocolate. Okay. You've got allspice and cloves. So it's the allspice. That's what throws it off.
Starting point is 00:52:05 The allspice definitely gives it that Greek sort of. So no other city is allowed to make the dish this way or they're just afraid to step on. No other city has chosen to make the dish this way. They're like, you know what, Cincinnati, you go ahead and keep it. The history of food is it comes from peasants, and these particular peasants land in Cincinnati. And they did not land in Texas. Other peasants landed in Texas. You got peasants with chocolate and cinnamon. They don't sound like they had things. Don't sound too bad for these peasants. It's like you got all sorts of spices. Can we do a
Starting point is 00:52:33 West chili cook-off kind of thing here so I can actually try what Cincinnati chili is supposed to taste like. I will bring some. I'm making a first batch soon. I will bring some in. You're smoking on the egg. I smoke it on the egg. And then I like to put it in the freezer for a long time. For like a month, let all those ingredients marry together. And then because of the smoke confusion. It's really going to bring it out after a month or so. And you put it over noodles. This sounds like a podcast to me. Oh, so too. How about this? I'm excited. I feel like West was the first person that I knew really to promote the green egg. And now like every dude has a green egg. Like it's all over the place. It's like we get it.
Starting point is 00:53:06 They are fantastic. You were on the corner before many on the green egg. That's, you know, coming from the south. I mean, you shipped it across the damn country when you moved here. The NFL shipped it for me. Yeah. They're very light though. They only weigh about 15, 20 pounds. It's a much easier. It depends which egg, though, right? Two hundred pounds and there's no good angle to grab it. No, there is not. Greg's back with us. You guys are still honking? We're about to finish. You haven't even gotten to the segment?
Starting point is 00:53:30 No, we're not to shut up. I was the head, Greg. It was good. Yeah? Who was the other man? It was the Andrew Siciliano. It was very professional. You know, I got there a little late. See what he did to me there? A little dig. No, no, I'm just saying, minor unprofessional. What am I going to do? Take shots at the at the host. He's been
Starting point is 00:53:48 in the show, you know, longer than you have. Wow. Ooh. See what's like Greg comes down on. Sometimes there's a quarterback that's delivered six championships is 42 years old, and you want to trade them out for a guy that threw one of the worst passes in Super Bowl history because he's the shiny new thing. Speak to that, Greg.
Starting point is 00:54:04 I don't, wait. So which one are you in this case? You're the good-looking one. I'm the good-looking one that can't play. Okay. That's who I am. Money, you've said it all. So great to have you here.
Starting point is 00:54:15 I did. I did. I said way too much. And before you go, I will give you. the top five live songs updated for 2020 number five oh god you're doing this off the greatest hit live greatest hits album number five lakini's juice oh man number four lightning crashes number three oh this one's an upset white comma discussion remember that one sadly sadly i do number two don't you dare say it don't say it don't say it
Starting point is 00:54:48 Don't say it. I alone. God, it's the worst song ever. It is in the same category as Incubis is nice to know you and offsprings, keep them separated, just songs that I played five thousand times, and I never understood how they were popular. How is 311s all mixed up a number one song?
Starting point is 00:55:11 It's so God-awful. The I alone is one of those. You know, live, these are genuine hits. I'm with Dan on this. And number one, number one. mm-hmm by live their biggest that was the crash test dummies number one is selling the drama i don't think that's updated i think that's the exact same yeah why is it updated for 2020 there's been no movement with this room on and they're updated in that you'll like the dolphins don't
Starting point is 00:55:34 cry i think i told you the story money uh when we're doing power rankings together last year but i'll tell it quickly again since she brought up 311 uh when i was living in hollywood at around 2008 our neighbor was a soap opera star and he would come over the house and he'd kick my ass and and it was really degrading because he was so much better looking than me. And then he was kicking my ass athletically as well. It was rough. But one night we had a party and he was over and we were drinking and 3-Eleven came up. I was like, I hate those guys.
Starting point is 00:56:00 They suck. And then this soap opera star goes, hey, man, take it easy. Those guys are my friends. Me and Nick Hexum, we're like this. Now, Amber from 3-11, like is that, that's excusable, right? I just, I still don't like it. It is... It's palatable.
Starting point is 00:56:19 It's palatable. I like that song. The rest of 311 can take a hike. If you're curious, 311 was playing the pre-race show at the NASCAR event I went to last year with my son. Strangely not curious, but tell us anyways. Yeah, they were 1030 in the morning. They were there. And did your son say, wow, dad, this is...
Starting point is 00:56:37 We did not make it... That's a sweet lick. We did not make it over to like, you know, the monster energy drink stage for them. Terrible. So it looks like money when... That would be my throwback pod, like, demeanor. What do you think of this? Terrible. We're definitely doing 1997 Secret Samadhi.
Starting point is 00:56:55 Oh, God. It kicks off with Likini's Juice. Yeah, great. I'll be there. Just go ahead and start rolling the tape. And just don't wait for me. You get started without me if you need to. All right, Matt Money Smith, you've done it.
Starting point is 00:57:06 Thank you. And you can check out money, of course, on NFL Network. You don't need to plug anything. On the NFL now. I've wasted enough for your time. Here in L.A., on the Dave Damashek football program. And, of course, during. football season. He's the voice of the Chargers. And he's our Bob Shepard, the voice of God on the
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