NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Broadcaster Scoops with Andrew Marchand; ATN Mailbag

Episode Date: May 19, 2022

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal and Patrick Claybon bring you all of the latest news in the NFL starting with the Eagles signing cornerback James Bradberry (6:15). Joe Burrow spoke about a crucial play in Super Bowl LVI (10:30), and Tarik Cohen suffered a torn Achilles during a livestreamed workout (14:30). Then, Andrew Marchand joins the show to talk about Tom Brady's deal with FOX Sports (17:00), Drew Brees out at NBC and his future (26:30), and Dan Orlovsky's new role in the booth at ESPN (30:00). Next, we take your #ATNMailbag questions (35:30) and finally wrap up the show with some pop cultures recs (57:15). Note: timecodes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast. Dan, quick. What's 17 times 32? 17 times 32. 17 times 32. That's literally impossible. And I dare anyone in this room to get it right now.

You're asking me? From the Chris Wessling podcast studio, it's Around the NFL. I'm Dan Hansis. I did get a 39 on a state-mandated math test in 1996 but I could have gotten a 99 and I wasn't getting that answer so that was a hit piece on the old Zucer

and yet I'll be a professional about it Patrick Claibon Greg Rosenthal Heroes Mark Sessler he got the hell out of Dodge nobody knows where he is but that's all right we will carry on he's at home he's right there

probably no I don't know where he is the answer is five 44 by the way. And I guess the point of that is there's 32 teams, 17 weeks. You divide 544 by 2, and you get 272 games. Used to be 256, right? Makes sense. Very good. Very good.

How is everyone on this glorious Thursday? Patrick, thank you. Once again, I text to Claibon. It's a Claibonnesant on the show lately and we're really thrilled about it. It's that time of year. Right. I'm doing news this week. And so three news shifts on Monday, Tuesday, yesterday, of course, Wednesday. And I thought to myself, I want to spend some time with Dan and Greg today. Love it. And I'm walking by and you guys are like, hey, so yeah, heck yeah, I want to be here. Always a big value ad. I am a big believer and don't read the comments. Don't read the Reddit board. Don't read the comments. But I got to admit, Dan told me about this phenomenon on our.

YouTube show, or we put the link up on YouTube of our entire podcast, that the camera stays on for about 30 seconds to a minute afterwards. And some people enjoy that 30 seconds to a minute, because we don't really, we didn't really realize it. Who knows what we're doing? Who knows what we're saying? I'm making weird arm motions. And so I went to check it out last week.

And Dan's right. And it is kind of funny. And I did check out the comments, which I normally don't, but I was there. checked out the comments. And it was a lot of, oh, great when Claybon's on. Clay, big, big value ad when Claybonds is like, give me some more Claybon. It was a lot of Claybon in the comments. You guys underestimate the sheer volume of alt accounts I have on multiple social media sites. It is intimidating. So much work goes into it, but I'm glad to hear it's paying off. I think those 10, 12 seconds or 30 seconds or a minute after the show ends on

the YouTube page, that's the true us. And if anyone, one's like, oh, is it real? Like, what are they really like? Watch those 47 seconds, and you'll learn so much about all of us. You're going to learn so much about sports media and how to dominate the marketplace today, because Andrew Marchand of the New York Post will be joining us in just a bit. We also will open up the mailbag. We haven't done that a while.

We're going to open up the old mailbox. What's in the box? Nailed it. Winneth Paltrow's head Oh, spoiler alert Spoiler alert Well, no one You don't even know what the movie is

Well, not you do I mean, in theory You do But I'm saying it couldn't spoil it Well, let's ask the kids Talking about Let's ask the kids behind the glass Graver

What film is that? David Fincher's seven All right Well, now you ruined it Oops Well, and then behind you Is Stapledon A young woman in her 20s

Like it could have been Pride and Prejudice Or something like that Stapledon doesn't know Who Don Henley is Or the Eagles So it's like you never know what the kids are up to. What they're plugged in on.

There's a lot of things that's stable to know is that I don't. So I guess there's a giving a take. Sliding doors. Maybe it was sliding doors. I've never seen that movie, but I've referenced it roughly 7,000 times. All right. Let's get going here.

Before we open up the mailbag, before Andrew joins the show, let's get caught up on the news. What? What? What? What? What?

What? All right. Well, listen, it's been a really good start to the Gravedigger era. Yeah. But for the first time, I'm going to have to say, you'll let me down, buddy. Whoa. I thought that was good. Wait, you didn't like that?

I made the request that Greg's double whatts at 5811 of our last show. I wanted that to be the news drop. But I said, and I think. thought clearly Gravedigger, 20 consecutive seconds of that. Oh, I see. 20 consecutive seconds of. He reaches for the button. What?

What? As the show goes along, you can get the director's cut for us to hear at the end. I could do that. That would be great. I was using the reference file you sent, and I maybe was a little too close to the reference. It's an uptick from last week where I didn't give him a news drop, and then there was just none ready. So that was a tough moment. I was just like, you know, you've seen enough.

You've been a part of enough of these shows. Just assume it needs to be there. I have a backup one now for the next time that I can run at any time. He's a pro. Okay. That's what I say. You learn from your mistakes. You make a mistake.

Justin, on balance, has been an excellent value ad, just like the Claibonisance. But also, there's a very important to have honesty in the relationship between host and producer. That was constructive criticism. I always look where I can improve. I love it, buddy. He knows exactly what to say. There you go. You're on fire.

You're all the way back. Let's start with some news. Greg is completely in love with the Eagles. It's a thing. He's got a buddy that's in that front office. And, you know, you can connect those dots pretty easily. I like them before any of that. He likes the roster too.

And that's great. Everything's good. And they made another good move on Wednesday. They signed James Bradbury, the cornerback to a one year, $10 million contract. So he's going to pair up with Darius Slay, who's great. So that's a nice addition.

Your thoughts, Greg, on a Slay Bradbury tandem in the secondary for Philadelphia. That's a huge upgrade at their weakest position. I mean, I look up and down this all 20th, their starting roster, and I would have said second cornerback was the one spot where they really weren't up to snuff. And yeah, it's a defense that Jonathan Gannon runs where you're kind of keeping everything in front of you and it's very safe and maybe you don't need like a great one on one corner you need corners you need corners in the NFL and so it upgrades their biggest spot and I just like the fact that they're trying their best to win football games I feel like not every team really

does that and then they are trying to do that don't wait till next you're trying to win right now yeah the 2021 Philadelphia Eagles was like a case study and you can't hide bad talent on defense with scheme you just can't and so we saw how they addressed it uh up front. Now all the levels, through the draft and free agency. They're way better at linebacker now and the Kobe Dean. You just saw tight end after tight end walking down the field over and over again. Just real issues and coverage. And I think the Kobe did, and we said it after the draft, even if he, let's say he did have surgery. He's playing with one arm. It would be an upgrade over what they had up the middle last year. So yeah, a lot to feel great about. They are and it doesn't,

you don't have to read the tea leaves. We were just talking about it on Tuesday's episode digging in on where the football cognizante is at right now and there's going to be a lot of people picking the Eagles to win that division, the NFC East. Are they actually a better team

than the Cowboys? It's very close, I think. I think they're neck and neck and I think there's a clear dividing line. It would stun me if the commanders or the Giants win that division. But I think it feels like toss-up right now in the east.

Here we are on, you know, May 19, Thursday. The Cowboys' best players are better than the Eagles' as best players. They have a better quarterback. They have better top-tier talent for the most part. A.J. Brown and Devante Smith, though, is a nice receiver duo. That now matches up with what Dallas has. But, you know, they don't, Tyrone Smith, there's a lot of great players.

Micah Parsons, DeMarcus, Lawrence. There's a lot of great players. But to me, the Eagles, and maybe it's because I'm doing this projected Starter Series. They're a better team. They're deep on both lines. I love that. I think they address their weaknesses now, especially with Bradbury. Bradbury was a Pro Bowl cornerback two years ago, still young. I think their receiver position was a problem a year ago. Now that's deep. Quez Watkins is like a three that makes more sense. I think they're a better team. I think they're a really good team and that their ceiling is extremely high. It's just as high as the Cowboys. And I think to me they're a safer team because they're deeper. They could withstand some injuries.

Yeah, you can make an easy case, right, that Philly got much better in the offseason, and Dallas got worse. It's hard to make the case that Dallas got better this offseason. And, yeah, with the rest of the division, I would be paralyzed in fear and kind of in the fetal position if the Giants or the commanders won the division. I would be questioning my understanding. You'd be in the fetal position. Clearly none of this makes sense, and I've been wrong about everything. The Bengals came with one stop and went in the Super Bowl. So pro football and sports does tend to surprise us.

I would be much more surprised. Right. You know who never surprised us, though? The commanders or the team that used to be named, you know, in Washington. They never really surprised us. Quite probably the Giants in the past half decade. That's fair. Yeah, I like that thought, like the NFL Blitz on N64 version of this rivalry.

I would take the Cowboys over the Eagles, even though Zeke isn't, is he even player anymore. I don't know. All right. Let's move on. Joe Burrow, speaking of the Bengals. He had his first public interview since. Super Bowl 56, the 25-year-old quarterback, excited, obviously, about the new season to come and discussed Cincinnati's offense what he believes they can be in the future and also talked

about, yes, that 2320 loss to the Rams here at SoFi Stadium. There was a play from the game, an image of Bengals receiver Jamar Chase opened downfield after Jalen Ramsey slipped on Cincinnati's final offensive play. play, but instead of an all, a forever memorable touchdown game winning score, it ended with Burrow throwing an incomplete pass after being cornered by Aaron Donald. Here's what Burrow had to say about that play. Yeah, I checked to that go route. I was anticipating throwing it just, you know, didn't quite have the time.

So like I said, we put this behind us, you know, we lost. We had a great year. We're going forward. I don't even know if I'd want to hear that if I'm a Cincinnati fan. And that's just a great what if in the history of really the NFL if he hits on that past Claibon. But on the bright side, this kid's got it up here. He's got it in the arm. And he's at Jamar Chase in 2022 and beyond.

Yeah, there's no right way to handle a loss like that. And especially you're 25 years old. And here's like potentially, hey, this could be the thing that you're discussing for the rest of your life. Because people play their whole careers and never get that opportunity. But he was not going to. to change anything. He feels, and the tape shows it, he made the right decision. He ran up against one of the greatest players to ever play football on the biggest stage. And, you know, you tip your cap. It was Donald's time at the end of the day. He made the play, and that was that. I almost think

the Super Bowl has gotten underrated. That was such an incredible fourth quarter. So many different things happen. And for it all to come down to one play, where it really went to who the Bengals, were as a team that they were just going to go for it. Remember that was fourth and one? They had second and one. They had second and one and just as big a play almost as Donald's game ending play was the play before where Gaines and Donald stopped Samajai Piron so they couldn't get a yard. Why was Samadre Piron in that particular situation?

That's a weird decision. Then the Bengals take a time out and I love the hoodspah for him to change the route. And he was right in doing it because they could have. gotten either in the end zone or inside the 10. You only had, you know, 40 seconds left, and you needed to go try to win that game right there, and Donald beats quitting Spain. And that sucks. It sucks for Bengals fan.

It was just a great player making such a great play in that moment. But I just kind of, it's beautiful when football comes down to that, comes down to that fourth quarter drive where Stafford did so many great things. And then it came down to that one play. And Burrow went down swinging. that's how you want to do it. Look at it this way. If you're an impartial fan and watching that game

and enjoying what was a very good game, you missed out on that potential highly dramatic. Listen, Burrell could have overthrown Chase. He could have dropped the ball. You never know what would have happened if he got to the throw off. But yes, we were denied that moment. But what we got was Donald making the play,

running down the field, tapping on his watch, pointing to the ring finger and saying, it's my time. That's another highly memorable moment that they'll be playing forever, including at Aaron Donald's Hall of Fame ceremony down the line. Hopefully not in six years. Did briefly flirt with retirement.

Finally, let us talk about something sad. Tariq Cohen came into the league a few years back, a really exciting little Junebug. Is that a description of that type of running back? I'm not going to call him a little Junebug. Seems derogatory at this point. Well, he jumps around and he's very quick and fast and all that. jitterbug. I don't know. And he had some moments, obviously, with the Bears, tore his ACL and missed last season. And this is how they do it now. The Instagram,

live Instagram, a lot of players like to put that live Instagram out there. This is me training. I'm getting ready. Come sign me. And what happens? He blows out his Achilles on a live Instagram. Really sad story, Claibon, for Cohen. You hope he makes it back. But now he's coming off a missed season with a torn ACL. uh killies is a devastating injury for a running back just a sad story here yeah and it highlights the means with which the position uh brings so much inherent risk for the guys playing it um and here's as you said right a free agent who is now tasked with making public displays of showing how healthy he is and in that display he hurts himself and it reminds me of um you know a wide receiver who's concerned about his usage right um and It doesn't, and I think that, this highlights that, you know, it's a dangerous, it's a dangerous spot to be in this particular position coming back from an injury. And I see, I see why some guys are, you know, especially in the college and the high school ranks, are saying, hey, maybe, maybe I'll play outside a little bit more because the future is unkind. It's a bummer, too, because his career was so exciting. He had that second year, he had over 1100 yards from scrimmage.

She was also a first-team all-pro punt returner. It hasn't quite had the same juice since. Certainly was injured last year, so missed almost all of last year. And it was just like a fun player. We need more like Tariq Cohen-like players. You know, we need the short kings. We need someone for my children to look up to. The floutists out there.

The five, five, six guys can go make the NFL. All you have to do is have otherworldly athleticism and combine that with incredible strength and 190 pounds. That's it. That's it. But fortunately, he was a fourth round pick, so he did get another deal, right? And he was able to get some money, not like he was coming off

one of those first round, five-year type goals. That's a great point, Mark. Ding! A Junebug is like a beetle. So that's certainly not Tariq Cohen's playing type. The jitterbug, whatever. That's jumping all over the place.

All right, that's what's happening. in the news. All right, let's take a break and then bring on our guest. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL cover zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different.

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And now he joins us once again on around the NFL. What's up, buddy? Wow. Thank you. That's quite the introduction. I very much appreciate it. I've had that comparison made before, so that was very good. It's a tough scene because you have your own podcast with another sports media reporter John Orrin.

So he's included in that. He has been wiped out like an eclipse. I will tell John. I will tell John on the next, we do a thing called Who's Up, Who's Dad at the beginning of the podcast. I'll say, John, it turns out you're down. Oh, yeah, big time. You know, we're in, pull back the curtain a little bit, we're in some contract talks right now on the podcast.

Oh, wow. And that and your success got me. Wait, is this just a whole thing because you want him to write about us? No, that's a scoop. We're giving them a scoop right off the bat. But that and your success got me thinking, you have put yourself in tremendous position for a life altering contract yourself. When it happens, will you report on yourself getting,

the Tony Romo sports media guy contract. I will, yeah, sources tell me, I will consider that. I will consider doing that. It is a weird phenomenon that you bring it up because, like, there have to be reporters in our industry, you know, big names, the guys who break a lot of the news at Schefter, report, you know, rap report, all that floor, that have your type of media news or at least have a good idea of it, but they probably aren't comfortable or aren't allowed to report on that stuff.

Are you ever worry about these guys jumping into your territory? Well, it's interesting you say that because when you're talking about Tom Brady and Sean McVey and the other Troy Aikman's of the world, you kind of, yeah, those are definitely. Schefter actually was the first one to say McVey wasn't going to go to Amazon and he's going to coach. And my wife was like, why didn't you have that? And I said, oh, I said Adam Schefter, she doesn't know who he is. I say, hey, he makes, like, at that point, three or four million dollars a year. And she said to me, why don't you make three or four million? So I said, well, he covers the NFL.

I cover media. So, but I'm doing fine. You got the, you got the beat covered. And that's why we wanted to connect with you again, because we're kind of like our show, especially this time of year, when things slow down a little bit. We're always interested in what's going on in the broadcasting ranks. And this is just the perfect situation right now, both for you. your gig. And also if you're a certain, you're someone of a certain level of talent and

notoriety as a player and analyst, because the money is out of control right now. And it's become, you're getting paid like a quarterback now to sit in a booth and call these games. I'm curious, how surprised are you at how this has exploded? That's part one of the question. And then part two is the Tom Brady move or the reporting that was done by you. You broke that story. And they have two of the next three Super Bowls, Fox. We deduced earlier this week on the podcast. That is a wrap. This is the last year for Brady

because he's got to get into that booth and start earning that cheddar for Fox. Do you see that playing out that way with Tom Brady considering what he's now signed with Fox? Yeah, I'm not sure with Tom Brady. I mean, you guys know the NFL better than I do, but he had the retirement in quotes, whatever that was, right?

Was that about Bruce Ariens? And then the Miami thing with the ownership possibility, you guys know this has been reported by other people, but people I speak to as well in the media game. I mean, that was real. That was possible of him going to Miami. And so when I think about Tom Brady going to the booth, you know, when that's going to happen,

I just think if he can play, he just might continue going. Like I still think he could be in Tampa this year and then Miami is a possibility. So I don't think there's necessarily a timetable. on this um i think brady the money got so crazy that he took this job but if you look at his comments in the past uh he wasn't really looking to do this but so in putting that in quotes andrew right and highlighting the things that he could have done are you insane this this could

just be a brady leverage play to make football more attractive well i just think that he this is kind of i don't want to say a very prominent agent said to me that this was kind of a right? You have this and you know you have this. And let's just say a couple of years down the road, he tells Fox, you know what, I don't really want to do this. And they're not going to make Tom Brady go every week to do games that he doesn't want to do, especially at the salary that he'd be making at that point. So at this point, it's great for both sides. And maybe Brady will do it. He'll be the next John Madden and it'll do it for 20 years. I doubt you guys foresee that. I don't really foresee that because I just think,

He's going to have other, he has other options. But I just, this is something he has in hand. He, even in his comments, has not seen that excited about it. But I just got to said, I'm excited. Now back to the, you know, playing. Imagine signing a 10-year, $375 million deal and being like, eh, that's all right. Nice hedge for me. Well, he's Tom Brady.

I mean, he's Tom Brady so he can do what he wants. You know, but look, let's go on the assumption he will be in the booth. I don't know if this really shows when he's going to stop playing. Just, again, you guys, I know have discussed his retirement in quotes, you know, what that meant, if it meant anything, it just seems like if he plays well again this year, I don't know when he's going to hang it up or why he'd hang it up. I get it. He has this big deal. But Tom Brady's going to be able to make money off the field for eternity as long as he doesn't do anything too. This is a pretty good bird in the hand, but I like your theory.

Like, yeah, it's a lot of money, but it's actually, you know, he's going to be able to make other money with other ventures. But those ventures, you don't know how it's going to go. I don't know how his crypto venture, you know, is going right now. You know, this is, you got paid cash for that. Bird in the hand, but I like your theory because it always, it seems strange to me in that it's maybe a little more of an open question, whether this contract is signed or not makes sense to me. He could just, like, see what's going? And my question for you is that, is what do you think Fox is going to do? Because, yeah, it's a hedge for Brady.

It's also kind of a hedge for Fox, but they have this year in front of them. And they have big games, and they're going to have the most watched games of the year a lot of times at 425. And it's a big decision. And how do you fill this one spot in this year, considering that Brady may or may not be there a year? a year from now. How do you think they handle it? I think it'll be Greg Olson. I mean, they're negotiating now. I think they made a nice offer to start. I think Olson, if I'm him, I get over my ego, and I get into this small club that has a chance

to do Super Bowls. He'd be able to do a Super Bowl at the end of this year. And he's in his late 30s, and he's been in prime position to get, you know, one of these number one, let's say Brady comes in, takes his job, and he gets demoted. Collinsworth in four years will be up. You know, that could become a possibility. Ultimately, if you're Greg Olson, all-pro, great NFL career, but not a Hall of Famer, you're going to have to do well because there's going to be, if Brady hadn't signed, you know, Brady looking over your shoulder.

And Aaron Rogers looking over your shoulder. Breeze was looking for that job, right? Say who that? Breeze was looking for that job, too, right? Yeah, he's still possible to be the number two there. So you're always going to have, you know, Sean McVeigh as well. So all those people are always going to be looking over your shoulder unless you do well. So just get the job, do well, and build up your other businesses.

And, you know, you can be in that small group with these openings and where the checks are. Maybe you're not going to get the Brady money. You're not going to get the Romo money, maybe, in the near term. But can you get to eight figures at some point in the near future? Yeah, I think that's very possible if you're Greg Olson, if everyone thinks you're great. Right. Plus, he likes it. I mean, that's, it comes across on the broadcast. He likes it.

and you don't get that with everyone. And I don't know if you'll get that with Brady. And to me, that's why I'm more excited to listen to Greg Olson than I would have listened to Tom Brady. And I don't think we got that with Drew Breeze either. I was curious what you think about, Andrew, how that played out with NBC, you know, one and done there. And he left his options open in a cryptic tweet that he sent out that had everybody going nuts. But I guess my take on this is, and, you know, it was a mutual decision, I guess. But at the same time, Breeze accomplished quarterback, obviously, one of the greats of all time,

but not a lot of experience as a broadcaster. Did NBC believe that they could mold him and bring him along, as it were? Or was Breeze just not into it? And NBC didn't want to be in business with him anymore. A couple of things there. I mean, they had high hopes, both sides for him to kind of be the heir apparent to Collinsworth. And he, first off, didn't like. doing studio. Studios is just different. It's just more of, I think, from his point of view,

kind of a fan view where you're just kind of talking and having opinions. And he said publicly, he's on the Dan Patrick show, he liked doing games better. And I think if he wants to do games, he should jump back in the booth. And even though Fox is not going to offer him big money to do those games, because if you think about it, Drew Breeze takes the year off, doesn't do the NFL, he's just stock is going to go down. He's not going to get offered most likely. I think it's hard to believe he would be ever offered the number one job at any of these places if they open down the road.

New quarterbacks will retire. He had a year that is looked upon, even though it was really only one bad playoff game, looked upon that's not good, kind of, like another guy who kind of gets a little bit of too bad of a rap is Jason Whitten, but kind of like that. And so if he wants to do this, he needs to get back in the booth.

And the reason, you know, it didn't work out within, BC. Yeah, there's some things behind the scenes, but ultimately, there's not spicy. Come on. Come on. What's that? Look, there's, there is some feeling, you know, Breeze wasn't especially into the studio part of it. And then I think there was real disappointment on that Raider bangle game where, you know, there is a feeling and, you know, people who've been in TV for a long time know that those spotlight games, when you're first going to go on, there's going to be be a big opinion on you one way or the other. And you could be neutral, but he really had a poor game. And that was, you know, they put their neck on the line. And so they didn't like

looking bad in that situation. And they don't really have. And ultimately, though, they just don't really have what he wants to do, which is what I've been told, NFL games. So it just doesn't really work. When they sign Breeze up, there was the negotiations for the new contracts hadn't happened yet. And NBC, there was some hope that they'd have two packages. and that would have opened up one for Breeze to be a weekly guy, and that didn't happen. And so he wanted Amazon and Al Michaels didn't want him. And so he didn't end up there. And so here we are.

There's multiple levels to the market of Drew Reeves. Andrew, our producer behind the glass Grave Digger is a Titans fan. Grave Digger, does that feel good to you that Ryan Tannel didn't have the worst one and done performance in the playoffs this year? That was actually Drew Brees? That is pretty impressive because he had a pretty poor one-and-ton performance. Sure. Yeah. Before we say goodbye to Andrew, do we want to ask about this Dan Orlovsky situation that's going on?

Him getting moved up at ESPN. Another, just another breaking story from Marchand on Wednesday that Dan Rolovsky will join Steve Levy and Lewis Riddick Jr. On ESPN's number two NFL TV booth. And that's notable for ESPN. well look it's it's really good for oloffsky because listen to the quarterbacks we're talking about tom brady drew breese tony romo troy aikman besides romo those are hall of famers romeo you know is an all-timer in a lot of respects in terms of had a great career dan ralofsky is best known for running out of the back of the end zone uh during his 11 year career so he's in his late

30s and he's already in an nfl booth again it's only three games this year it'll be five next year, but we talk about what we're talking about with Breeze is putting yourself in position for the future. If he does well, you know, down the road, if he builds up his name even more so, could he be a number one at some point? Yeah, I mean, you have to be in that booth to be considered. You know, you look at Chris Collinsworth's career. He was a pretty good receiver, but not a Hall of Famer. And he built up. He was, you know, a lot further down the depth chart when he first started. I think NBC was where he first started. And then he just kept moving up, moving up. And now, you know, he's a 12.5 million dollar a year analyst, which in this day and age

is cheap, but it's still pretty good money for six months a year. Did you know before Dan? I think we learned together. I don't know. I don't know if I knew before Dan. I knew things are going on. I knew Fox was interested. You know, he could have gone to Fox or five day a week, NFL-centered show and then do some lower-level games there. and that helped him with ESPN to get that role that Greasy basically vacated when he went to be the quarterback's coach for the 49ers. What are your thoughts on Levy? I'm really not a Levy fan in the NFL booth.

I like him better as a host than as a play-by-player. I think ESPN has made this mistake a number of times, is this they put studio more guys who are better in studio, haven't had the reps on play-by-play into these big positions. He's a hockey guy. It was the same thing when Costas was hosting football night in America. It's like the biggest sport in America deserves someone who's number one sport is that sport. Like, Levy, and I'm not a hockey guy, but I know people love him on hockey and he's been a hockey guy forever.

And you can hear the pat, like he's done it. If you watch ESPN, he's done that for 20 years. He knows the game. It's like, if that's your number one sport, why are you on the biggest platform on your other sport? I guess because you're trustworthy. I mean, it's not a big deal. We did do the NFL. For people from around here, WFAN, way back when, right?

If you're all Michaels, you can pull it off, but it's like, I don't know. It's too much. Yeah, we had the, before there's the red zone, and now there's all these shows where they go around to all the, it was actually, I think, called around the NFL. You may owe FAN money, but where they used to go and Steve leave you and host and he go, go to Cleveland and, you know, they go and they go and they give the update. So he does have NFL background, but it's just more of the not being a. play-by-play guy fully he's gotten better he's gotten better he's just not that stage and the other thing the espion kept making the mistake of that they won't have with buck and acumen they keep they they kept their own people together and their first broadcast is on national tv on monday night

which is probably the biggest spotlight in terms of the broadcast booth of any booth regardless if they have good games or not just because of how monday night situated in the in the weekends the NFL and so i don't think that they were they kind of were put in there you know down 28 to 3 a little bit And I'm sorry you got sucked into that. Greg likes to start a feud with the ESPN might and I football announcer every couple of years. And he's working on a new one. No, that's not true.

Well, who are you got now? Who are you going to go after? There's no one. No, yeah, that's a good point. No, we're a big buck and Aikman fans. No, there you go. Andrew, you've said it all. Check him out on the New York Post.

Check him out. He's the co-host of Marshawn and Orind, Sports Media podcast. And thank you, buddy. We always love having you on for your insight and your newsbreaking ability and best of luck in the upcoming season. Great. My pleasure. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Andrew.

All right, there he goes. Andrew Marchand. I love, I love Al Michaels dismissing Drew Brees out of hand. Get this guy out of there. Next. And the whispers that he didn't want to go too into, but you could read between the lines of, yeah, the breeze in the studio,

like the off-fields. fit might not have been a culture fit. Like that's what I, when he said there were some other stuff that he hadn't been reporting, it just felt like, you know, to be nice about it, maybe it wasn't a fit personality-wise. Yeah, I'm just saying. Yep. And so yeah, make sure you follow Andrew on Twitter because he's on top of everything.

I liked when Claibon asked him if he knew before or Lasky knew, because that is something I was thinking of asking. Because, well, just because sometimes he's probably breaking the news that the people don't even know and how do you how do you handle that you know how do you handle that emotionally morally we could have done another like an hour with uh marshana because our show just has this need for knowledge in this realm personal too um all right so as promised it's time now to open up the mailbag we don't do it too often in fact a couple i would say a couple months ago throughout our mailbag prompt and the questions they just weren't up to

enough. Whoa. So we canned the mailbag seg. Oh. So this was a chance for the listeners to really establish themselves once again as difference makers. And Justin, you were the, you were curating the mailbag for today's episode. How did you feel about what the, what the listeners brought?

There was some good stuff. There was a lot of like very team specific stuff that's like, I'm going to ask about my team that's like, I don't know how much we're going to get into that. Right. Why not? Because that's, that's, the mailbag is a great time to sort of hit some teams and topics we wouldn't normally. We'll hit some. We'll hit some.

For the sure, we'll hit some. You know, it's like we haven't had a lot of trying to think of a team here. Throw a team out. Jaguars talk. Let's start with the Jaguars thing. All right, there you go. That's why it's a mailbag, baby. All right.

First question. Do you think Trevor Lawrence will have a glow up in year two? With Doug P at the helm, I think they'll be better. But that wide receiver core is bad. Is Christian Kirk really the answer? Answer. Bonus question. Will Greg Rosenthal release that emo ep? Emo Revival is very hot right now. We were never in a band. We were, you know, I've said this on the show before. If I had to try to compare us to a band, maybe the dead milkmen, a little joky and indie and something like that. The Delaware tapes that were promised. I never promised anything.

Help it. Remember this? I'm so hungry. We need you help. We need this. Who is this again? Come on, Greg. So you're kids. We are in the future. Will you be my dad? We need you, Greg. Can I trust you?

Hey, Jack. We must listen to Delaware. Do it for us. Yeah, to recap any listeners that weren't with us five years. years ago. You help, Greg? I'm hungry. We have Delaware.

That is Dan using his... You only need to get into Delaware. It's up to you. It's not just my children. It's children all across the Southland children across the world that need it. Because the reason why... Right, but also using them to ask different questions that maybe were in your mind that made you laugh just now. Like, do I trust you?

So we got to learn about... we got to learn about dance. No, the reason why the voice of the future. The children was because we once offered Greg, we would make a, or the listeners would make a sizable donation to some type of children's charity if you let us hear the tapes of your, Claibon was going to pick the children's charity. Some orphanage or something like that.

If Greg just played the tapes. And to think that Greg actually turns, that down. I don't have the tapes. Are the tapes out there? This great listener is, you know, wanting some Trevor Lawrence content. I'm going to give it to. I mean, he knew better.

He's asking for the tapes. We're going to talk about the tapes. I think Trevor Lawrence was such a fascinating. I think we need the tapes, Greg. All right. All right. He was such a fascinating guy to watch because, like, you want to put something into the 16 games that he actually played.

And it wasn't great. I think what he was as a rookie, like you saw the timing, the flashes, the good stuff. And it felt like as the season went along, he was just trying to not make mistakes. He was just trying to not blow things. And I think that made sense on that team. Like he was trying to make his touchdown interception ratio

not totally fall apart. And he was a little hesitant. So I'm very optimistic that he's going to be way better. It reminds me a little bit of what the Patriots did in the last off season. Yeah, they didn't get the greatest group of players around Matt. Jones, but they went from like league worst to somewhere in the middle, lower middle of the pack. And I think that's kind of what the Jaguars did. We'll play Josh McDaniels with Matt Patricia. We'll talk about that on another show.

No, I'm saying that's what they did in 2021 when they spent all that money. And in this case, yeah, you're playing league worst coaching too with another middle maybe of the pack coach. And so that's going to help him so much that I'm very optimistic. Having your head coach not like be on a one year mission to be an unmitigated to everybody he sees in the world. I thought I've said this on the show, like I'm very bullish on the Jaguars improving this season. I'm bullish on Trevor Lawrence, I think, who comported himself with a lot of dignity and got through that season, despite being a kid. And he also made a handful of the prettiest throws of any rookie quarterback last year. But the football was bad overall to the point where, okay, this is a generational guy on paper that, like, if he was Andrew Luck or Patrick Mahomes,

I wouldn't we have seen it a little more a little more it's a generational bad coach and a bad generational bad environment and it's almost like I see what you're saying it's fair that maybe we should have seen more like Peyton Manning threw 28 touchdowns 28 interceptions his rookie year but he also threw 27 touchdowns and had some great drives as the season went along down the stretch of games maybe we didn't see enough that's like what's fair for expectations like if Trevor Lawrence is a league average starter this year I think you got a be really happy if you're the Jaguars. That's a big step up. That said, if you had gone into, like, when he was drafted, he's going to be a league average starter after two years. Well, that is lower than, like, what we saw out of Kyler Murray or some of these other guys that have come out, Gunsley. That might be lower than Mack Jones is this year.

So it's just tricky to where you put that expectations where people are going to actually be happy. You've kind of annoyed me because last show you were talking about how you wanted to save takes and you didn't want to burn off takes. No, I'm making takes. No, but now you have that. that I'm thinking about that now. And I'm also thinking about we were talking about the lions and trying not to get too

bullish on the lions. I'm going to do the same thing with the Jaguars. I'm just by the time September comes around, I'm going to have that team is 13 and four or whatever. And it's going to be ridiculous. You're high on him, which makes total sense. The draft Knicks all would take him number one, not even thinking again. And that makes total sense.

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What else we got? All right. Moving on. Which team is the quote, Andy Dalton scale of teams? All teams above them are probably good and all teams below them are probably bad. Historically or like in the 2022 landscape, how do you want to tackle this?

At first blush, it's, I'm thinking historically. And I don't know. if it's because I heard it from the voice of one Justin Graver, but I'm just going to say the Tennessee Titans. Oh. A traditionally good team. You know, that hurts them too.

Yeah, it's tough. Over the years. Yeah, but what about this year? This year, that's even true? Hmm. It feels, it feels true this year. Now, when you asked, I think, I'm thinking more about this year, because that was what the scale was.

It sort of moved up and down based on the year. For this year, I would go Vikings, which actually isn't a bad answer for the last 10 to 15 years. They feel very much like they're going to be stuck in the middle, no matter what. I got another option and the other conference, the Raiders. Okay. They're kind of like if you're... Right now, the Raiders.

Like right now the last couple years, if you're on this side. It's not the last 20 years, certainly. They've been terrible. Right. But in this year, yes. I'm talking about the recent NFL. If there's an all-time Dalton scale team, like the, like, I don't know, that might be a little too broad to really drill down on.

Yeah, this year, though. I think the Raiders are a great answer. I even thought they were kind of like that last year really like you Chargers you should have probably won that game all right what else we got all right moving on this is a more fun one is watching commanders games while going commando a proper way to show support hmm so some people might know what Carson Wentz's answer would be to this one no doubt as we all know decided to really go ahead and start to take command and you should know he was not wearing a

underpants on the plane when he said that. The quote really comes into context when you think about it being somebody not wearing underpants. Well, it's a better question for Mark famously, not a huge fan of underwear. No. I'm not doing that. He finally changed his ways, but for probably the first five years we knew him, that was his thing. And it would be distracting to me because I'd be like, the only thing separating us is a thin, thin layer of denim. although at least he wore jeans every

it wasn't like it wasn't like gym shorts or anything that feels so uncomfortable jeans seems like a bad idea it's a very it's a very cessler thing put it that way it's something if you live in a commune in Colorado for a while you're probably not wearing underpants underpants is a funny word

by the way super funny underpants is way funnier than underwear yeah it's true the old underpants scad read was always one of my favorite underpants the underpants era End the pants. Do you guys ever read Captain Underpants? I've read it to my children, yes.

Huge when I was in elementary school. All right. Nice flex. For Greg. Which fan base is the most tiresome on Twitter these days? I would say the Bears. I have a theory when you're a once proud franchise that has a quarterback problem or hasn't had a quarterback in a while.

Now, Fields I like. But especially under Tribisky, they were just, they were a tough situation. So I'm going to go Bears right now. because it's like the once proud franchise that doesn't want to believe they are where they are right now. Okay. Good answer.

What do you got, Claymont? I mean, everybody's equally annoying. You've got these annoying people and all of these fan bases and they all have their particular trials and tribulations. But there's just more of them in like the Patriots or the Bears or the Giants. Yeah, I will say that.

Yeah. In fact, you've convinced me, Greg. Patriots fans are they absolutely. Yeah, that's an easy, that's the safe answer. This nude I talked about on Tuesday show, this new breed of vocal Browns fans, very much on my radar. Oh, yeah.

So that would be my vote. But only, again, only of a fraction of that fan base. I don't know how big the fraction is, though. I'm just glad you didn't say the Titans. All right. Let's give him a break. Who is the anti-team of ATL? Not necessarily the team you all collectively dislike, but the team you all collectively feel

the most meh about. Well, Wes used to talk about the Bermuda Triangle of NFL coverage that we fell into and he did a good job pumping up those AFC and NFC South teams that would be my first right he would say the Panthers maybe the commanders maybe the commanders over the years in their different iterations has definitely been the the team I was the most anti because of the way that they were run from the top down that really hasn't changed because it's just what's been going on off the field for two decades and it kind of shows up on the field too. But that's like active animosity though. Right, that's true. But it's saying anti-team of ATL,

I guess if it's ambivalence, I feel like the Falcons slip under the radar. I've tried to like stick up for them over the years, but yeah, the Falcons. Yeah, Houston would be my vote. What else? All right. This one, I'm going to pose as an either or question. So answer one of the two. And by the way, I would say this. One thing that I personally struck, you got to go, Patrick? Claybon, and we knew he had news coverage. This is actually... Is there something breaking? There's no breaking.

It's a scheduled hit, so... So tell them no. This has been really your move, actually, on the around-the-N-Fo-Py. This is a throwback move. We're getting back to tradition. He would have to run downstairs, you remember, from our old studio down to the news. Like those children, those unnamed children asking, can we trust you, Greg? No one asks that the news acumen, and we could trust what comes out of Patrick Claibon's mouth.

Appreciate you guys. behind the camera. Thanks, Patrick. Thank you, Patrick. There you, buddy. There you go, buddy. All right. I was going to say, I think one thing we collectively strive for on the show is to give

teams coverage, the old inside the NFL philosophy. So the fact that we highlighted, for instance, Houston in Atlanta, maybe that's a goal for us, Greg, to maybe give them a little more shine. But teams also... Houston since Watson trade has been about as off the radar as an NFL team can be. I was going to say teams kind of earn... being ignored on this podcast, typically, either through irrelevance or just being boring.

For the most part, that's true. The West always had a problem with their Titans coverage because they were in that middle and they had a chance to be better. So in theory, the middle should get more than the bottom. But the secret is, I don't know if it's a secret, like the bottom's more interesting. Yep.

You know, there's more going on. All right. Which 2021 playoff team is most likely to miss the playoffs? Or which below 500 team, is most likely to make the playoffs. Okay, I got to refresh myself and think about who was in the postseason a year ago. I mean, it's got to be the Steelers. It's just crazy because I wouldn't totally discount the Steelers from getting it together,

but the Steelers, Raiders, Cardinals are the ones that pop off right off the bat. Titans, maybe close. Yeah, the Cardinals are on my radar a little bit because I just don't think it's a very healthy vibe there but they also do have some really talented players including a star quarterback who's a little embattled right now but we'll see how that goes. Yeah, Steelers I think are the pick for me as well

just because of what you said. I'm taking it back actually. I'm going Cardinals. I have no faith in that like when I saw the over under for Cardinals is like a winning team. I just feel like there's absolutely a chance at least that they're picking in the top five next year. Did you hear that I said

Cardinals? Yeah, yeah, but I'm now, once you said it. Because you almost said it like I didn't say it. Like you had brought it up. No, once you said it, I suddenly was transported back to SoFi Stadium, January 17th. My kids going absolutely crazy. And then

I look at this roster. When I did the projected starters for the NFC West, they got a lot of problems. Like, they have big holes in Kyler Murray and some things make up for it. I feel like they could be back in the playoffs, but there's a scenario where they're four and 13,

and they're just terrible. And I don't know if I can say that about almost any other team. And the whole thing gets blown up. Right, where there's about any other team in the play. Our friend of the show, sorry, Arizona. And my longtime friend, Jason Zumwalt, I sat in the second to top row of the upper deck

watching the Rams obliterate the Cardinals, like watching that Kyler Murray give up pick six that turned the game into a celebration at SoFi. And then I just realized that, again, Jason Zumwalt, Arizona sports fan, got excited for a game seven between the Sons and Mavericks that turned into the definitive game seven trouncing that we've ever seen. I didn't know this, that Gravedigger, by the way, is a Dallas native and is a big Mavericks fan. So we're in a Mavericks T-shirt. So Zumwalt and the span of a couple months was at the playoff game where the Cardinals are,

organization went up in flames and then a game seven that all game sevens will be judged by that in terms of no shows that i i always say like some blowouts are entertaining seahawks broncos in the super bowl it was entertaining for most of it because you were just like i can't believe this is happening and i feel like that sun's game was like that just as a study of like human nature to see them score 27 points in the first and the way the crowd was falling apart i don't know It's just, I'm with you. Let's do a couple more. What do you got?

I got two more. This one is a little more thoughtful. Which current NFL player would you like to write a biography about and why? We would be writing it. You would be writing a biography about an NFL player. So you get like spend the season with them. On paper, like Rogers would be a fun one to read, but I don't want to write it. I don't want to spend.

Hang out with them. You probably see things that you can never unsaid. I don't want to see it. All right, I got two. because it kind of goes with like who do I want to hang out with who would be fun two very different books the first is Lamar Jackson it's a little early to write about it but spending a season with him

I just think he's an interesting guy we don't know a lot about him this season particular is interesting at some point a Lamar one I think would be fun maybe it's a little early the other one is a totally different type of book which would be a Dan Campbell book just think he's he's been around

he's been a player he's been an assistant coach He's been around. This isn't so much a biography as maybe a season in life, the type of books that Paul Zimmerman used to write following Weeb, Eubank around. I would be into like a Dan camp. Because I think he's an intelligent guy too. And you kind of think of him as a meathead.

I think there's a lot going on there. That's a good one. I like that. And I guess we'll get a little bit of that with Hard Knocks. Yeah. Mike Tomlin would be kind of interesting to learn about. Yeah. Like what makes him tick?

Like what's his deal? Like how does he feel about things? The Steelers are some great books back in the day in that culture and the organization. And he's been at the center of the AFC for a long time, just a lot of stories there. I'll go with Tomlin, but I feel like one's going to pop in my head. But for now, I'll go with him. What about a biography that focuses on Zach Wilson's 22 offseason, turning into a little thick boy and then proceeding to take the NFL by storm. From boy to man.

The book ends. hit the wayroom looks beefy he's a little beefy thick boy that's the name of the biography um forward by gregg rosenthal actually um and then the the book ends at the onset of training camp so we really get to craft a story that of a boy becoming a man becoming a little thick boy and uh and then it just ends as training camp begins there's no way it could have a bad ending it's just a moment in time. We just need, we need some authors out there to go out and do it. I know access isn't the same, but we just don't have the same types of season in

the life books. There was, there was that Jets book, you know, like that was great. Play like you mean it. That's not what, was that what it was called? Play like a Jet. Play like a, no. Oh, play like you mean it was the Rex Ryan biography that I read and wrote about for this website years ago.

We're thinking of collision low crossers. But books like that, like a season in the life, like actually getting an actual feel, you don't get, you don't get those anymore. All right. Is that it? Was there any other? I got one more as we head into the offseason, the meat of it, really. What is the most tiresome offseason trope? Oh, so many to choose from. I think best shape of my life is always the go-to, the standard bearer for me. also the trope

I'm playing much everything is slowed down for the second year quarterback I had a schedule in terms of injuries the schedule is a great one but I really do like like for instance speaking of my little thick boy that storyline you're going to read a lot of

notebooks leads in August about how all the second year quarterbacks including Zach Wilson everything's just opened up for me this year I'm seeing the field in a way that I wasn't seeing as a rookie. And then it's like, they never say that in year one. They never like, I can't see anything. Everything's a blur to me.

But then you come eight months later and you're like, last year, what a joke. I shouldn't even been on the field. But this year, different. Also, draft bust X looks ready like he's ready to turn the corner is a good one. Right. It's usually, it's unfortunate because some, there are turnarounds, but it's mostly like, oh, this totally disappointing. aspect of last year is going to be fine now because we're in the off season.

I do like OK quarterback X reminds veteran player Y of Brett Favv. That's a good one. I don't know if you want to be reminded of Brett Favre right now. You know, he's being sued for literally stealing, stealing money from the state of Mississippi that was supposed to go to children. It's a tough spot for. Did you read the story? The Fav story?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I've been totally into this story because it's just like a lot's going on. I thought there were different levels of corruption. Like some people knew where the money was going and some people didn't. And I thought Farr was in the group of people that didn't realize it. But listen, maybe you read it closely more closely than me. I mean, the million dollar man is involved and it's absolutely a story.

Ted DiBi and his son are involved. And they knew exactly where it was going. Anyway, before we sign off for the weekend, we have not done this in a while. And thank you to everybody who sent in letters to the virtual mailbox, what's in the box. Let's do a little culture recommendations. Ooh, I like it. I've got, how many do you have? I've got too many, because I got to cut it down.

I got a couple. Why don't you start? Okay. I'm going to go with a movie that I felt like got no pop last year, but I enjoyed it so much. Come on, Come on, Starring, Walking Phoenix. You are such a Joaquin head. I do. I am a big Joaquin Phoenix fan, and it was nice to see him just be a normal guy.

Ah, that's nice. It wasn't like a huge storyline, basically. He ends up watching it's an uncle movie, like probably the greatest uncle movie of all time. You know, watches his nephew. He lives in New York, watches his nephew for like a month. It's good on like family and that sort of love. And it was just great, really well done by the guy Mike Mills, who did a 21st Century Woman, I believe, and some other good movies, beginners starring you and mcgregor you had me an uncle movie yeah it's very much an uncle

movie i'm an uncle it's terrific lily and keltie back in new york um all right i um read a book in mexico the 90s a book by chuck clausterman always love clausterman um but this is the book i feel like he was always meant to write just drilling down into what made the 90s the 90s and how how different the world is now and uh you and i both both are formed of years were in the 90s and also people of our age group, like born in late 80s, early, or I said late 70s, early 80s were the last generation that knows what it was like before the internet and what it was like after the internet. And it kind of just digs into everything from a tech standpoint to a culture standpoint and how things have radically shifted. over that time. So if you're interested in that... He's like a 90s, not an icon,

but I certainly think of him as like a cultural critic of the 90s. Absolutely. And he, yeah, it's said that, you know, it takes about 20 years. Every new generation tends to be intrigued by whatever generation existed 20 years earlier. And I feel like younger people

are really plugged into 90s culture now. If you actually lived through it, it's really interesting to kind of break down what it meant to grow up and how the 90s impacted everything that followed. Did you know, according to this book, it's been disputed by some other journalists, not according to the book,

but Bill Clinton sent two emails when he was president of the United States. What? That's what he said. But then it was refuted. He would never lie. Yeah, exactly. Bill Clinton, there's a really good Bill Clinton breakdown

in that book as well. So anyway, the 90s a book by Chuck Klosterin. What else about? I'll jump off with a book then, too. The new Emily St. John Mandel book, I feel like people know her now because Station 11 was her book that popped into a big HBO miniseries. I like Station 11 as a book, but I love Sea of Tranquility, which is her new book. And I really like Glass Hotel, which was the book before. And like each one of her books have gotten better.

And you absolutely should read Glass Hotel before Sea of Tranquility because it's kind of a sequel. there's some time travel element involved, but it's very much a pandemic book without feeling like it's bashing you over the head with a pandemic book. And I thought it was so smart. Such a quick read too. And I don't know.

She is just extraordinarily talented. So I would say both those books, but the new one, See of Tranquility is awesome. All right. And I'll end it with a music wreck. I've mentioned them on the podcast before, but me and my buddy Bob from Throwback Podcasts They're going to the concert tonight, Gang of Youths.

They're a Sydney-based band that they've since relocated to London. Just fell in love with this band. Can't wait to see him live. Great energy. The lead singer has incredible energy and stage presence. And I love their music, very raw and anthemic and hard on the sleeve. And a lot of the things that I like in rock music that aren't always quote-unquote cool. is what I like in terms of a band that's not afraid to swing for the cheap seats and

really project emotion in an anthemic way. That's what gang of use does. That's their stock and trade. So I'm looking forward to seeing them. And if you want to discover their music, they had two really good albums in the last few years, Angel in real time and go further in lightness from 2017. Check out that band. You will. will thank me. I would throw out some music, but I don't want to now, then that would be too much. But I think if you're like, what do they sound like? There's a little, there's a little arcade fire in there.

There's a little national in there. There's little in excess in there. There's little U-2 in there. There's all this stuff mesh together. If you like any of those bands, I think you'll really like this one. I'm going to do it anyway. Sharon Van Etton's new one and Push It, Vince Staples. There's been a lot of good music coming out later.

What about you? I'm sure you have. have a take about our friend from Compton, Kendrick Lamar in his new album. I don't have a take yet. I need to listen to it more. I need to listen to more. Stay tuned for next weeks. Do you have any pop culture takes Cravedigger before we say goodbye? Oh, yeah. Well, that's that's the center of pop culture. Before we sign off this episode of Dirty Pop. No, let's hear it.

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