NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Broncos-Chiefs Week 6 TNF Recap

Episode Date: October 13, 2023

In a London conference room full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, and Marc Sessler recap the Week 6 Thursday Night Football matchup between the Broncos and the Chiefs. The heroes start by talking about the play of the Chiefs (01:35), then they talk about the play of the Broncos (10:24) and cap the show off with one of their favorite sideline moments ever (22:06). Note: time codes approximate.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Tommy Townsend to put it down. And Buckers kick is good. And good by plenty. Second and 10. Three-man rush. A floater caught. And the ball is out. And Kansas City has it.

Trent McGruffie, knocked it out. There it is, 19 to 8, the Kansas City Chiefs over the Denver Broncos on Thursday night football, a game. A little bit low on fireworks, but in the end, the home team gets what it wants, a W, and the rest of the world gets what they want another Sean Payton loss. Dan Hans is here in West London in a conference room. pretty bougie conference room quite so way beyond what we expect or deserve

that was Mark Sessler Greg Rosenthal boys this is you know and hello to everybody we had our live show last night and then this game we know how the other half lives here

kicks off after 1 a.m and I think we all watched it and stayed up and now here we are the following morning talking about it. Chiefs take care of business and we all feel totally insane right now. There is that feeling of adrenaline,

I think, after these live shows. We're celebrating. It's a mad dash to get through our day at Sky Sports that we did and then the live show and then watching the greatest player I've ever seen play football in just another game that happened in this season. But I actually enjoyed being up

like the Londoners. I enjoyed it. Yeah, I thought, I mean, we had a chance to go out a little bit after the show and celebrate, which is a, Mark, what? You're wearing, like, a peacock that's, like, over your shoulders, like, you're an aristocrat? I am having a scenario where it's, like, if I take this off, I'm freezing, but when I wear it, I'm feeling sweating inside and out. You asked for them to turn the AC, you know, on a little higher.

I have not caught up physically, I think, the way that some other people around here. You're part aristocrat, part vampire. and I'm here for it. I just didn't expect it. Go ahead. No, I appreciate you because you saved me from my, I like to watch the football game that was on analysis so far. Well, no, I mean, like, we rolled right into the game,

which was at least, you know, it wasn't like you have to wake up to try to do it. I think I watched the whole thing, and I, you said there were no fireworks. Dan, I disagree was just flush with fireworks. I mean, it was just a thriller. I'm bummed out watching the Chiefs on offense this year. they just don't have Eric at home put it well actually he did a nice job on NFL.com with his write-up as he does every week he's a very good football writer Eric and maybe better power rings of me I don't know I think about it you're different you bring a different you know sort of energy to it don't swat yourself he's not but he's great in his own way but no he does an excellent job with these write-ups and he put it well that they're often just stuck in second gear and it's not an issue where they can't take care of business

against the Broncos. But I think I think the stat he had, this is only the sixth time ever. Patrick Wilhom's led an offense that scored less than 20 points, which is, first of all. And second of all, second of all, the way they get bogged down in the red zone, that interception that he threw,

which was a terrible interception. He was going wild there. That, you know, cost them three points. It's just like, and Kelsey had a big game. Travis Kelsey, who briefly exited in the fourth quarter, but he has a big yardage game with Taylor Swift once again in attendance. So you saw good things here, but you're still kind of missing that extra, like Eric said,

gear that makes them the Chiefs that turns a 19A game or really a one-score game in the fourth quarter into what it should have been, which was a typical 35-point Chiefs output. Yeah, I mean, I can point to some positives because on the preview show or when we preview this game, you were calling for Kelsey to reenter as like the main core thing. And I think we saw that Kelsey can still, can still do it. And he's still a core part of this offense. Nine for one, 24.

Right. Including a 40 yarder. He was pretty pristine. And like Isaiah Pacheco, I think, ran pretty well. Rishie Rice gives me a little bit of hope. I feel like there's this thing going on with the chiefs, though, where like when they went for that fake punt, I mean, they could have just taken command early. But that fake punt where they got a little cute and, you know, they showed. shift gears and go all up, and it's like Noah Gray takes the ball, and they try to convert,

and they don't on fourth and two. And I feel like I keep watching these Chiefs games where in these short-yarded situations, Andy Reid gets a little too smart for himself sometimes, and they seem to stumble. They're better at, like, third and seven and third and eights. I agree, and the fact that in this one game alone, you saw Travis Kelsey throw a lateral, a play after the game that Mahomes said that's just Kelsey it was not a play

that he practices that stuff in practice and that everyone laughs but he practices enough that he actually does it in the game and it's like the game is moving so slow for Travis Kelsey he and Mahomes are kind of a football genius I enjoy hearing

I heard Tony Gonzalez and Ryan Fitzpatrick talk about it like for people to understand this isn't normal that he is changing the routes. And we know that, that he's sort of like making up the routes, that he sees, like, my normal route is not going to work on this place. So I'm just going to change it. And Mahomes is going to understand it. And he's going to know what I want to do. But there was a play in this game. And I'll get to your point, like that Reed is throwing all

these crazy things, like the fake field goal. And then there was another Cadarius Tony pass in the second half that didn't work at all. But it's partly because their offense isn't explosive and isn't working. And because I think they're kind of trying different things out this early in the season because they view this part of the season as a warm-up. Their real season starts in January, and they want to win these games, but they do want to try different things as they go along. But Kelsey in this game was so brilliant, because there was this one play that, and Kurt Kerb Street pointed this out, he missed a lot of stuff.

I feel like he sometimes tunes out a little bit, but this was a nice job by him, where Kelsey in the middle of the route knows he's not going to be open, and he literally pointed to Mahomes to pass it to Edwards-Alaher, and in a split second, Mahomes passes it to Edwards-A-Layor, and they pick up 12 yards. I've never heard of, I've never seen a play like that in my entire life that, like, that could be possible. So there is like a level they're operating at that's amazing.

But that's the only thing that's keeping this offense, you know, quite good. They're a very different offense to your point. They're not explosive at all. They're very low in terms of explosive plays. They were first in league by far last year, and they're not even in the top 10 this year in passing. But if you look at their DVOA, their efficiency, they are still a top 10 offense.

They're like the seventh or eighth best offense in league. They're just doing it in a very methodical, kind of boring way. They feel like last year they massed over the loss of Tyreek Hill and we kind of celebrated the way they did that. But it's not that it's Tyreek Hill this year. You're not going to have him. But they're missing someone that can provide that kind of explosiveness.

Get open downfield, stretch the defense. It's just like they're a bit plotting and drives a breaking down. I think that we talked about it in the preview of this game that Kelsey isn't at the same level or he wasn't before last night that he was last year. And if he's healthy and they kind of find their chemistry. and their groove again, I think this could end up being just a bump in the road, which is still early in the season. And he left late again with the, he kind of banged up his ankle right at the very end.

And the reason why I'm not panicking, there's kind of a couple ways to look at it. But one of the reasons I'm not panicking is because last year, like you said, they did and it's like without having Tyree Kill. And it wasn't like they lost, they lost Juju Smith-Schuster, who's just a guy. We'll get to that in a second. Miko Hardman, who can't even get on the field for the Jets. They have, they're just figuring things out. And I think one thing, though, that seeing Andy Reid make some strange decisions

shows maybe a little frustration that they're trying to get things moving in a more explosive direction. Like the Tony pass that you reference, like let's not take the ball out of Patrick Mahomes' hands ever. And, okay, if you're going to fake a field goal, you know, again, don't send Patrick Mahomes. off the field and try to do a tush push or whatever. Well, he doesn't sneak. They don't call Patrick Mahomes. So don't sneak. Four years ago.

We got injured when they. Four years ago on Thursday night football. It's just an interesting wrinkle that you kind of need to have your quarterback able to do a But kicking two short field goals and then also faking a field goal and not getting it just shows you they're not where they need to be. But they have time to work on it. And guess what? For all their struggles, quote unquote, on offense, like you said, they're still top

10, and they're five and one. So they're just doing what a true Super Bowl contender does. They win as they figure things out. And Brock, go ahead. I was just got to say, like, I mean, it is the best, I think the biggest development is on paper, it's the best defense of the Reed era. And they've had some okay defense. They've had some good defense that finished in the top 10 in points allowed.

But to me, that's why this team is scary, because I think they're winning with defense and somewhat their running game and efficient out. Like that is a big difference. Drew Tranquil was fantastic. in this game. Nick Bolton had a great interception. Their secondaries been great. Chris Jones is wreck and shop. They're playing them on the edge quite a bit. Just at each level, this is a legit top 10 defense week after week. And then you think, okay, Patrick Mahomes with the best defense, Andy Reid's had. And that's a long stretch. If you go back to the Alex Smith days, I really think

this is it. And so they don't need to be as good an offense. They could maybe win in a different way this year so on the denver side of things it's and yeah what you just said and informs on some level um the issues they had yesterday is that casey's defense is better than it's been uh but and i hate it didn't it shouldn't bother me because who cares and he's a you know he's a jets fan too so i don't have an issue with greenberg but like you know he's way misinformed and says that russell wilson's worse than ever this season going into this game and that couldn't be further from the truth. But then this game, he actually, I think, was part of the problem for the Broncos for the first time this year. He played poorly. Once again, like what we saw against the Jets mark, especially

late in that game, just the inability to feel the pass rush and, you know, two big turnovers. And in general, this reminded me a little bit of some of what we were seeing last year under Hackett. I totally agree. And I mean, one of the, one of the picks came off a tipped pass. He had three tipped passes in this game. It looked relatively. relatively lost to me. I mean, it's just, he has been better, and I think the offense in general has been obviously more organized than a year ago, but they produced 95 passing yards last night. And like, if the Chiefs lack an explosive element, the Broncos, like, they have had a success going up and down the field in other games, but they couldn't do it against the Chiefs

last night. And, I mean, there is, the one, there's something going on with this team where I I feel it's almost like Sean Payton to me, like from a spiritual angle, like really kind of cursed the energy around this team with his tirade against Nathaniel Hackett because it, uncharacteristic of a Sean Peyton offense, there are things happening that are like, wait a minute, this is looking like elements of last year's team at times. When you're Sean Peyton, you call a timeout, right? Russell, with 28 seconds to go before the half, Russell Wilson gets sacked, then Sean Peyton calls another timeout. With 22 seconds, they have to punt the ball. The punt goes 27 yards. Mahomes has the ball back on his side of the field, six-yard pass, a 13-yard scramble, and then right before halftime,

you kick a 60-yard field goal to go up 13-0. That's on Sean Payton. And his defense, he owned up to that, which he really does. He did. He said, I miscounted the downs, and I gave them a time-out that they should have been taking, which helped allow them get those three points. But one of the biggest issues with Nathaniel, hack it last year was time management was understanding where you were on the field was understanding

the down situation and you don't expect that from sean payton but it last night i mean going up 13 nothing right before half that's andy reid thinking like wow we just got a gift you know one of the biggest crowd pops in our live show last night and thank you to everybody that came to the show theater it was a great time had by all one of the biggest pops of the night was i don't even remember what the context was but sean peyton i think i said something about sean peyton and his struggles and the place exploded Cheers. Like, everyone is seeming to enjoy this guy's humble pie that he's gobbling up week after week.

Well, we had eight minutes of the show tick. They edited from our, you know, online copy because of, uh, we're an avenue that we went down. Hasn't even got got up yet. We'll see. But, uh, yeah, they don't say too much, Mark. That's all I'll say. We might have to delete you. But we, if you come to our live show, if you come to our live show, you get information and special gifts.

Wow. Unvarnished. Right. Yes. I mean, he could own up to it, but that's, that was an all time. timeout blunder as johnny clock management over here i was going crazy that herb street and al michael's didn't even mention it didn't even mention it and then and then i i said something out about it and all the bronchists fans this is a great example of what what you know a small segment

of every fan base is like it's not unique to bronco's fans they all were like oh actually it was the the broadcast mistake they actually said it was the broadcast mistake it wasn't peyton that made it because that's how they talk i love someone someone Someone on Twitter somewhere said that it was actually, like, no, our coach couldn't actually be that big of a dumbass. They actually created, it concocted some other reason, and they were all vociferous about, no, actually you're wrong. You don't understand. That was the mistake. And then after the game, Peyton's like, no, I had a complete brain fart.

I, like, Tom Brady got flamed for days for not knowing what down it was. And he's the head coach. You can say he, at least he owned up to it. That's great. I actually can't remember a coach ever losing track of downs and literally stopping the half. He can say whatever he wants about, oh, the chiefs would have taken the time out there. I don't know that. Who knows?

He might have just, knowing Andy Reid, he might have just gone to halftime. Sometimes he lets that happen. He just gave him three points. Nice job by Harrison Bucker, though. They might not win this game. A 60-yarder and a 50-plus to put it in four-field scores. And good job calling that out. And, again, I love Al Michaels.

He's the goat. he's a legend but you know the booth that's terrible that's as bad as Peyton's mistake is not calling that out when you're doing the national telecast well how about in the fourth quarter when Cortland Sutton made one of the catches of the year I'd say top five catch this year and it seemed barely aware that it even happened I mean Herb Street didn't didn't barely made a comment about it that it was a great catch and certainly they'd ever brought up that it was like suddenly a two-score game they sort of were acting like oh one score Right, at one score game, rather.

They were sort of acting like, wow, that was a great, that was a good play. This is, you know, it's good that they're getting something going late in the game. Right, after they got the two-point conversion. Right, they didn't seem to like understand, like, actually, this is, this is a game here for a second. That's annoying. It feels like if you were to pick two people that need to be plugged in,

whether or not you like the match up or the environment. They were getting bored by it. They were getting bored by it. That's been a theme here. But there's also people in their ear. There should be, they need help as well. I mean, come on. Anyway.

Jason's thinking, hey, those are some. of our, we've got Jason Climmy in here helping to produce. Jason's like, oh. Is there some of our former co-workers? He's like, I was my neighbor in Malibu. I can't see anything. Come on. We can't even get clenkinsed.

Sorry. I love it. On your Russell Wilson point, though, that's two straight games because he stunk in the Jets game, too, overall. He was under duress. And there's only been, there's only been, yeah, but he was bad. He had two or three turnover. I think he had three turnover-worthy plays in like no particularly good plays.

in the Jets game and this game was a fiasco was even worse the fourth down early that is that was very uh 2,022 Broncos where it was just like I got I was down with the plate I was down with the decision to go for it because you're against the chiefs and you have the worst defense in the league he's flushed out to the right and he just continues to look and not see anything it just goes out of bounds like you don't see that that typically unless a quarterback is really just not playing well and seeing the field one thing it's like there is this drumbeat of Peyton openly, you know, critiquing Russell Wilson, a little bit of blame here and there. A little bit of after the game too, yeah. Right. And so it's, that's been going on all along.

I don't like that situation. I mean, you didn't get that. It's happening. You didn't, well, I think I think you're going to move. Russell Wilson's probably going to be moved out of the starting spot. I think this is what I, this is the closest team I can see. It's just sort of an organic tank quietly because you move Randy Gregory. I'm not saying Frank Clark's a difference maker, but he's out the door at some point. Right, but I mean, they're moving these guys that they brought on to, they spent a lot of money. in free agency. It's not going well. Jerry Judy's been on the trade whisper block for a while. We'll get to Jerry

Judy. He goes. I think the thing is like the Broncos have they're an outlier to have like the number one pick and Sean Payton winds up with the number one quarterback. And then this thing looks like a bad dream and you start over. But I'm not, I just don't love what Sean Peyton's doing with the pieces he has right now. Do they have the first round pick?

Yes, they do. They do. Okay. Yeah. Entering that touchdown drive where the Chiefs just kept giving the Broncos the ball back over and over and over and eventually the Broncos finally got something done. Russell Wilson, midway through the fourth was nine for 14 for 57 yards and two touchdown. And some brutal sacks. So when Broncos fans were tweeting earlier this week and comparing him to Patrick Mahomes

that like he had a higher passerating, like passerating does not count the million terrible sacks Russell Wilson has taken this year and in this game. And that was that first half was as bad as any. half or even three quarters of play that he had at any point last year. It was one of the worst quarterback games I've seen this year from any quarterback. So like a top level quarterback isn't going to have that sort of game. No, they were running the ball pretty well too. I think the ironically, one of the criticisms from Peyton in that infamous USA Today article

that more hands are dirty than just Russell Wilson's. I don't think that was an inspired play calling game either. I think they have like less than five. throws 10 yards downfield or they never tested the defense on any level and i'm so sick of hearing about jerry judy and and courtland sutton on the trade block because these guys don't make plays i know sutton had to play late in the game but it's like you know i i don't know it's i'm not saying it's not russell wilson's fault but now we're going to start piling on wilson where it's like i feel like he's he's this whole denver it turned to his career is a massive

fiasco with hack it in year one and now peyton playing the fool in year two I don't know what's going on. There was this one little thing that went out on Twitter, too. And I think this happens to coach us sometimes. So it's like I'm not trying to just pile on Peyton again, but he got caught on television with the screen cap of him holding up the play call sheet. And it basically shows every one of Denver's like two-minute plays. Good job by our friend of the podcast.

Josh Norris was the one who got that out there. I mean, it's just like, you know, even with that, is that attention to detail? You can't have that sit out there. Well, that's, that one's, I think, bad luck. I know, but like, but it's still, it's like he's getting older and he has to write bigger. It just still bugs me that like that's, like, you're, you wear glasses on our. I know, but I'm not going to kill for that. That is too far.

You know what? No, you know what? I don't put like my diary up on camera for everyone to see. It's like, you have a diary? No, but if I did, or let some personal information, you know, is a state secret for Denver. We got to, we got to move on. We're bloviating again. The losers.

This was interesting. Sure. Sure it was. It was so interesting. Losers of the game. Peyton, Russ, Mahomes fantasy owners and Swifties of Minneapolis because now there's been four games

since this happened. This relationship became public and the only game she didn't go to was the Vikings game. Well, I think home games makes sense, Kin City, although she was in L.A. Greg playing Contraria.

I'm just analyzing this now. I am. And then the other one's in New York. So I was like, she's got to go to New York. Hour six of podcast. But Greg, but the people, all those Swifties that went and bought Swifty Vikings jerseys, like no matter

No matter the logic behind it. They got a tough situation. That crying, well, she wasn't crying, but she looked for Lauren. She was wearing a number 89 Swift jersey. Yeah. Vikings. And she's the only one that didn't have the woman in the building. Well, how about a good job?

Good job by Taylor Swift there. She was, you know, my L.A. correspondent, Emeka, Watanabe, slash Rosenthal, told me. Taylor Swift was at the Grove there for her premiere just the day before. So she's in L.A. the night before. She gets to Kansas City. That's what you call Good Girlfriend Work. And then Amazon, you know, I noticed I think they actually made a specific point to emphasize Taylor Swift less than previously. I think they were like, this is, it's gone a little too far, and we're going to show her less.

They're like, we don't need to. We're going to have an awesome offensive performance of Patrick Bohomes and a totally plugged in booth. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down. Unlock Elite Gaming Tech at Lenovo.com. Dominate every match with next level speed, seamless streaming, and performance that won't quit. So you can push your gameplay beyond performance with Intel Core Ultra processors. For the next era of gaming, upgrade to smooth high-quality streaming with Intel Wi-Fi 6E

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Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Let's get to the NFL network side of things. Fascinating discourse. Steve Smith, who we love Steve Smith. You know why Steve Smith is both good on television and in general, a well-like guy behind the scenes for NFL media? That guy keeps it real.

He's got a swagger to him. He's got a little bit of a chip on his shoulder or he's has. it helped make him a Hall of Fame level receiver. And there was a, how to set this up. Jerry Judy, former first round pick. Do I have to tee it up or is it all basically explained? He explains it. All right, heat between Judy and Steve Smith playing out on live television.

Rhett, one of the things that I really enjoy working with Steve Smith is the way that I can see these players react to him. We just had it 30 seconds ago. Sky Moore, Chiefs, wide receivers coming by comes to say hello to Steve. He spends time with them before. for the games, telling what he likes about their game, giving them little pointers, how they could be better. And these guys grew up watching him, so they soak it up. However, a short while ago, Broncos wide receiver, Jerry Judy,

was walking by, and Steve called out to him. And he got a different reaction. I called out to him because on my podcast cut through it. I just talked about guys that maybe have not showed up in the way or in the manner. And so the word that I've used to describe him in the past was a jack, Just a guy. And so when I saw him, he's playing well. I wanted to say to him face to face, like, hey, I know I said some things in the past.

I probably shouldn't have, and I'm sorry. That's what I wanted to say to him. His response, Mike Robb and Bucky was Ninja. Ninja. Yes, I'm using the word ninja. I'm just using the word ninja. I don't mess with you. And it was a curse word.

And so I was like, all right, and then he repeated it. So I'll say it again. I'm sorry that I said you were a JAG, just a guy who's an average wide receiver. They used the first round pick on that isn't doing anything. I hope today that you actually show up in a way that you haven't showed up in the last couple of years since they drafted you. Is this all happening right now? It is. On live television.

I also say one thing, you have to go watch this clip because Mike Garifolo, who's standing right next to him because they're talking to the studio. The looks on Mike Garifolo's face as this story unfolds is. precious and we love Mike too I would I would like liking it to when Kanye went on his Katrina ran with Mike Myers next to it's a great okay go ahead climbing so if you ever got a problem with Agent 89 I'm sorry for saying that you're an average Y receiver that they eventually will move on and when teams called me and asking should they trade for you I will say no don't trade for Jerry Judy because he's mentally unable to handle constructive criticism from people who watch specifically can he be a Y receiver he could be a Y receiver he's a tier

three go back into the studio I'm done now thank you red yes he's pulling his microphone off and just like basically leaving set at that point he's and he was furious and it's crazy to see that side because we love seeing that side of Steve Smith as a player we spent a lot of time talking about that side of speed steve susan as a player because i show so i show chris's favorite NFL player i would say in the history of our podcast tyrant matthew would be the other one uh but he loved he loved that fire and now we're getting it as a co-worker and it's so interesting to see because we've gotten to know steve a little bit you know and he's such a nice person to anyone that is nice to him and respects him but if you cross him he's that you and i would say and this is one of the

gifts for Steve and really certain people like another person says what they're saying there and it comes off as petty and why are you getting making yourself the story but the way Steve does it here I mean everyone's kind of like on the edge of their seats and just enjoying the theater later I think post game was later in the pregame at Judy then I think Judy actually heard I just based on that he came back over and started yelling towards the NFL network sideline. James Palmer caught a little bit of that. And then even later in the pregame, Steve Smith talked about. We had some company on that one.

You know, I don't know if Russ saw Jerry Judy on that. Did you see him? Listen, this is a time for me where when I used to play, I would engage and I love that. But right now, I'm 44 years old. I don't need to have this drama. And I also don't need to have any problems on the sideline for me doing something that will jeopardize, Not just me, but him, and I'll be honest, and I have to say it just like this. One of the biggest problems we have in the media, especially as a young black man, is sometimes black on black crime.

I'm not going to participate in that. I'm not going to engage where the national media can see two young African-American men acting like we ain't got no sense. He didn't like what I said. That's fine. I wanted to talk to him. He didn't like it. So we move on. But one, I'm not going to lose my job.

And two, I'm not going to disqual. disrespect my family by showing I have not matured and handle my business the way I should handle my business. We got a flight to catch to London. We got things to do. We ain't got time to be watching a dude do nothing. Back to me back. You know what I love about that? It is fun. There is an element of humor to it, but like he is he's got fire inside of him. He's got verbal fire. And like, you know, at the Super Bowl when we were in our hotel, he stayed across for me. and you'd be in your room and you could hear when he's coming in and out of his room

he had some friends and over and it's like Steve Smith is just like this complete and total original but I think honestly like he did try to bring peace to that situation and he can say all that because he's Steve Smith

because he was this player that was a different type of wide receiver than we've seen and you've got other players coming up and respecting him and it's like he's trying to make peace with Jerry Judy I think Jerry Judy comes out looking like trash here Wait, what? I do.

I do, man. Like, Jerry Judy. Wait, but I think M. Rob, I thought M. Rob had the perfect response to that. His was the first response was like, I love that. This is like we're having a therapy session live on air. And that was what that was is like a man, we've all gotten older and you still make the same dumb mistakes and have the same emotional outbursts sometimes or do things that when you were younger. But then you calm down a little bit and you realize. And Steve Smith, that's why he brought up his family, respect his family.

like he doesn't need to be out here doing things that could jeopardize his job and his family and he doesn't need to be having this so he can be as fiery as you want in the moment but then afterwards he can recognize like okay maybe i shouldn't have done that i need to calm this down i like that steve smith and then at the very end of that he can't point out you're not going to do anything in this game i know because he can't he's got that fire and he can't contain it i love it but i and jerry judy's young and like that you know it's a little bit of both it's not a great look for jerry judy i don't think it's unfair to attack judy yeah i don't The only thing Judy did. I don't think it's a big deal for Judy. It's not a great look. What's not a great look? What did he do? Well, he got flamed. He didn't do anything.

Here's what happened. I mean, here's what happened, Mark. He used a certain language at Steve Smith. Mark, here's what happened. Steve Smith came, went on his podcast and really like denigrated him as a player. And then when Steve approached him on the field, he said, I don't want to deal with you. I don't want to. That's all he, literally all he did.

See, and that's why Steve essentially, that was an apology at the end. saying like look he didn't want to hear me that's fine we we move on that that's what he was saying there he was i know he didn't say i'm sorry but he was saying like i should have had my head cooler too we don't need to be doing this and fighting and i know it was entertainment i felt i feel i i love the entertainment value from steve but you can't i did feel for judy a little bit that he didn't have a microphone and couldn't really kind of go back but i wonder i'm sure he was asked after the game and that's fair i mean i just i i i guess i knowing steve a little bit like we i i I kind of think he's just super genuine, and he tried to make peace.

I mean, it's like you just try. It's great. Maybe we can get him on the sideline if we see him on Sunday. He's apparently heading to London. Apparently. And I also like Greg as men of a certain age. He referred to himself as a young man. So he's 44.

That is a good feeling. That's right in our range. He looks good for 44. He does. All right. Good stuff. Any other thoughts, takeaways from. the live show and again thank you to everybody uh for coming out it was a great time and we don't

take it for granted and um you know we we talked about chris at the end of the show and we also you know talked about a little bit right before we went on that sometimes west feels far away sometimes he feels close like those live shows for whatever reason it's kind of both at the same time it's just a little bit it's heavy uh where it feels like he's kind of with us but of course he's that so um but so anything that kind of makes you think of chris and i feel like for some reason those live shows because we're not doing those live shows without the west's contributions all those years to what we've built here so uh but thank you to everybody for coming out that was a lot of fun i'm with you i can i think like before those shows happen we're back there in the green

room and you're kind of like pacing around and kind of getting your final notes together and i have so many memories that kind of west in those moments and there was one time when he had a couple beers before the show and we got a fiery west and was i think was our first live show but we always always as a group you know for all our like ups and downs and stuff and um that that i think sometimes our podcast was overlooked by our company frankly for a long period of time and like to go do the live show where certain people in our company didn't even know we were doing it's like you're still something's fighting up against the rest of the world that continues it does but west west was always sort of like defined in that world and we would always do kind of a group hug before we did it and we

last night, there's someone missing there. There will always be someone missing. But his memory, like, I think just vibrates through that room because so many of the people there listen to it still because of West and because West still is a part of our show today. I talked to a few people afterwards

who, like so many of our listeners say how they had these personal interactions on Instagram and everything with Wes and how Keish, you know, I mentioned this in the show. I don't know if this is going to make the Sessler cut. At some point, we will release maybe when we're older and no longer working for the NFL,

we'll release the Sessler cut of this live show, but we're still working on the edit that's going to be cut down. And I think the Q&A, it's not going to play as well. So it was part of the Q&A that Kish, you know, she mentioned how much that first trip to London meant so much to him because he had just gotten over his first bout with cancer. And it made him realize like, I've done, like, we've done something pretty cool in a way that's connected with

people that I had no idea like this thing I did with my life with this sport that I love like this is badass and he came home from that trip and that that show especially uh flying and we do too I I love I love um the aftermath of those shows like it's it's a great feeling that that all the listeners give to us that when we get to do it so very grateful yes so again thanks to everybody and we will once we can get it's it's really about like liable lawsuits uh certain comments that need to come out before it goes live. But that's all the more reason next time we do a live show to be there in person because it's unvarnished Cessler.

I thought I gave, you know, deep reporting information factoids. What is Transylvania like this time of year? Just watched Renfield, actually, up in the room. Oh, really? Yeah. Very nice. Nicholas Cage, fantastic in it. Let's save that for the Renfield.

I will watch basically any Nicholas. age movie, but I have not seen that. He's great. All right. Good stuff. Next time you hear from us, well, the live show we believe we'll get up at some point. Maybe. Maybe not. That'll be a surprise to you and us. Mark wanted to make one, sorry, a big announcement

on his lock change, I just remember. Oh, right. That's right. Well, no, because, you know, first of all, I don't need this. I wake up and, like, I barely check X anymore slash Twitter, but I'm getting destroyed by people saying, like, what, you have no guts for taking the Niners over the brown. It was in the lock zone, and they're, like,

Oh, you got to forget the locks zone. You guys need to, like, make it three or four points. I don't care what anyone says. I, like, it moved to 10, and we set all along. If it got out of control, then we change it. I'm moving my lock to the lion. So I think they're like three and a half or something like that. Watson has been reported to be out.

So, wow, 10 is a big number, but it is going to be PJ Walker. So I get it. And I was already on the record if Watson is scratched from the lineup, and that is troubling that he's out still potentially after the bye week. I was moving in, locking in with the, the Cincinnati Zoo for the Bengals this weekend. So I will move there unless Watson's on the field. And in that case, I would stay on the Niners.

But it's not looking that way, according to a report of someone that is in the past, especially during all the drama, was very plugged in and on board with the Deshaun Watson Express. So I assume he will not be playing. All right. There you go. And you know what? I didn't check. I don't care what you say about my locks society.

It's like we under the three of us know what we're doing here. among our own little triving group so all right that's it thank you to Kleinman

and does does Al ever swing by Brentwood like on Thanksgiving you ever do a little stopover

or anything I've got Al has been known to yeah yeah I have

I personally seen him there but that is the word on the street in BW yeah not eating

vegetables there though no vegetable I think some pasta some meats Is Bwood one of those places like when the sun goes down, it's time to lock the doors and shut things down?

For the people that don't know, California, yeah. Something went on there back in 1994. If you see, Al, tell him I miss him on Sunday, like football, yes. I'm sure Al has stories about that particular evening in June of 94. All right, that's it. Dan heads of signing off for Quiet Storm, the old boss. Klein Dog, because he's known. after dark, uh, till Sunday, heat the call.

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