NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Broncos Quarterback Decision

Episode Date: August 22, 2017

A room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Colleen Wolfe & Gregg Rosenthal – recap all the latest news from around the NFL including Trevor Siemian being named the Broncos starting QB, Anquan Boldin’s retirement and Roger Goodell’s contract extension. The heroes also give their takeaways from all twelve preseason games from week two.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, hey. Nice, nice. Happy Eclipse Day, everybody. Did you look at it? Went out there. There was a gathering of several dozen NFL media employees this morning. Somebody handed me a pair of glasses. Really?

Yeah, I looked at it. I said, okay, and I went back inside. Twelve seconds, in and out. Other people spent a whole morning out there shutting down their workday as if that's appropriate. Old Daddy Zusser had to get back inside and do some work. I'm with you. I spent, at most, ten seconds. and is taking a look at it.

But I noticed that a lot of people essentially were just couched on the roof avoiding anything resembling a professional approach to their workday. Well, I got yelled at last night by a group you were included, I think, Dan, when I thought that I could just put on my regular sunglasses and look at the sun. It'd be fine. How dare you? So then I was afraid to even look out the window today. Of course, there's a photo that was, you know, viral on Twitter today of our president

looking up at the sun without anything, anything, sunglasses or the shades or anything. Greg, I'm going to take a guess. I've known you for many years now. Your official statement is, eh, who cares? No, I'm not for or against it. Yeah, who cares? I wasn't involved in it.

It's like John Harbaugh of you. I like that, you know, I mentioned how my, I learned a lot about it for my daughter's, you know, kids' podcast. That got a lot of pop for people were really fascinated by this kid's podcast, that they exist. That, uh, that I wouldn't let her listen to it on both ways. Like in the direction?

Yeah, she just wants to learn. I'm holding that back from her. Two quick things about the eclipse that I found intriguing. One that when the thing passed and the sun essentially reappeared in the sky. When the moon passed, you mean? Yeah, well, when the whole thing, the whole event closed out. And all these animals were going insane at zoos and stuff. Their body clocks were closing.

And this word, the path from South Carolina to Oregon called the celestial interstate. That's the path that the moon sun combo traveled on. Is this possibly the subject of a future heat and light podcast? Because I don't think so because my one feeling is that Twitter kind of, kind of, if you were on Twitter, kind of ruined the eclipse a little bit. And the eclipse may be a little overrated, just a tad overrated and how it was handled by some. I think in general it's a wonderful event.

But when all these people are making too much of it, you know, I could do less of that. Sneaky overrated. I'm kind of with you on the eclipse. That's the official stance of the year on the NFL podcast. if anybody wants to use that for a quote sneaky overrated today's show nice show today it's so you know one of our preseason wrap-up shows because guess what guys in the race to crown the preseason champion in the NFL we're halfway home I can't believe it halfway home everybody's played at least two games now and we'll go through we talked about on our last up for the Cleveland Browns yeah I mean the Browns could go to no tonight sorry I apologize the Browns play tonight last prime time under the lights I mean that place is going to be a electric. I know the league would like to act like Cleveland never deserves a primetime game. You just tried the same thing.

Well, this is their last Monday night football game of the year. Well, potentially for many years. So anyway, the Browns are playing. Who are they playing tonight? They are playing the Giants from New York City slash New Jersey. Yes. So that game. But we also have, we talked about some games on our Friday show, but we have, what,

12 games to talk about today. A lot. 24 teams divided by 2 equals 12 games. Haled it. It's good. You do that right now? And we'll do some news, including a quarterback battle is over. In fact, let's talk about that right now.

Before we do that, though, we've got to go behind the glass. There she is, the rising star. Some people call her a loose cannon. She's got a lot going on right now. Can she rain it all in? Her name is Erica Tamposi. How are you, Erica? You know, great.

You're doing well? Yeah. Feeling a little weird from the eclipse, you know, feeling some weird vibe. See, this one I'm talking about. Some like celestial energy, some school. No, I'm totally making that up. I feel nothing. I feel nothing.

I feel nothing at all ever. Sneaky, overrated, the eclipse. Let's do some news. Somebody's got to come down with that. Hey, guys, we are still here at Fernhill Fainter's Farm with all these goats. Since the eclipse, I have gotten a couple of them to faint. I have gotten some of them to faint, he says. That feels concerning.

Maybe it's just a fundamental difference between you and I. Mark, I think that for all the ills of social media, and despite the eclipse itself being, you know, sneaky overrated, I'd like the communal aspect of social media people coming together on Twitter to be excited and talk about this silly thing. And one of the, one of the products of that is, was a live periscope of a man at a goat farm where there was fainting goats. And he was just there to see if the goats were going to faint. And it happened? When the eclipse happened, nobody fainted. He fainted. He fainted, but that was a bit.

I started watching it. Oh, that was a bit. I'm like, oh, my God, he totally fainted. I agree with the community thing. There's a saturation point where some of the dumbness becomes unnecessary. I got you. I got you. All right, let's start with, yes, I teased it seconds ago.

A decision has been made in Denver, and Trevor Simeon is going to be the Denver Broncos week one starter and perhaps their starter for the foreseeable future. Broncos coach Vance Joseph named Simeon the quarterback during a Monday news conference. He called Simeon the clear-cut winner over Paxton Lynch, who, of course, was a first round pick last year. Uh-oh. Let's hear what Vance Joseph had to say in explaining how he came to this decision. I was pleased with both guys, but overall, the operation of the entire offense, decision-making, ball placement was more consistent with Trevor.

That's why he won the job. I met with those guys this morning. They understood that. We just finished our team meeting, so everyone's on the same page. You know, we're all going to support PACs moving forward. He's a young player. He's got a bright future still. And in my opinion, you know, we have two quarterbacks.

You know, most teams can't say that. And I truly believe that. Mark? Well, I mean, I don't even know if they needed to make this decision official because if anyone watched the game on Saturday, Lynch is clearly not ready for this role, and it was incredible to watch Trevor Simeon come in with about three and a half minutes left in the first half after Lynch had produced maybe, what, 32 yards off of 13 passes in a sack, to have Simeon come in and the offense absolutely came to life. He ripped them right down the field and generated a touchdown and did it with great confidence. And so when you have a locker room full of veterans,

it doesn't matter where Lynch was drafted to those guys. You cannot sell to them the concept of anyone but Trevor Simeon starting the season at least. Right. If Simeon was the first round pick and Lynch was the seventh round pick, there would be no battle. Simeon just would have been the starter going into the year because he earned it last year. He's a young player who showed a lot in a tough situation last year. And then he came out and you said it in both these preseason games.

When he plays, it looks professional. He looks like a young quarterback who the game's not too fast for, and that's hard to find. Like, I got some feedback on Twitter from people saying, oh, well, well, Simian's a low ceiling. He doesn't have the talent that Lynch. It's like, says who? I don't know. Like, you just, a bunch of draft analysts told you that. If you just watch Trevor Simian that he was a second year player and that's all you know of him was what he did in the NFL, he looks pretty talented to me.

He's got a big arm. He makes good decisions. Like, I would be excited to have a young quarterback like Simian. That doesn't mean you're not disappointed with Lynch, but Simeon's good. Yeah, I think he's sort of won by default, too. And I think we've said that on this podcast before because Paxton Lynch really didn't show at any point in time that he could beat him. I think that Paxton Lynch lost the job more than Simeon won the job.

But I almost feel like they need to bring in somebody else. Like why not sign a backup or somebody like a Tyrod Taylor, maybe facilitate a trade? I know that's crazy. Greg's making eyes right now. It's good enough. You don't need to bring in someone. He's a good player. Let's break this down a little bit because Lynch, I mean, let me ask you this.

When is the last time a first round pick quarterback wasn't the week one starter by his second season in this league? Maybe I'm missing someone like obvious, but I feel like in this league, that's not the way it works anymore. Someone tweeted out there's only been four in the last 10 years. I think it was Mansell was one. Brady Quinn was another. It was a terrible list. I'm missing one or two more. There you go.

Now, by no means of my writing off Paxton Lynch. But at this point, I mean, you have to admit this is a red flag now above this guy that Trevor Simeon, as nice as a player as he's been and he's shown things and when he's been given the opportunity, it's not a game-changing talent. Why do you know that, though? Like, I don't get that. Why do we know that? Well, all right.

I mean, do you think he's one of the next elite quarterback? I think he showed as much in his first season as an NFL starter as a lot of top-nobes. quarterbacks did, absolutely. Okay. I think Simeon, I think the problem with Siamen. And he has a chance. That's all I'm saying. It's like, yeah, it's just, it's just in relation to the fact that you have this first rounder on the roster and it's, it's tough to swallow, I think, for some Broncos fans.

It's funny watching the Redskins game that Thaisman talked about, Kirk Cousins turned 29 on, on Saturday. And they asked Thaisman where he was in his point in his career. He was just beginning his career as a starter. The problem is that the NFL has now fast. forwarded quarterback's careers that if you are lynch and you aren't a guy that was advertised as one of the rawest rookie quarterbacks out there and that's come that's played out to be accurate we hear that all the time i start right away but there's right what's said here's the problem

there are plenty of first round quarterbacks that just because their first round quarterbacks are shoved into the starting position in year two and it goes it's a calamity and it's a it sets the organization back the broncos are lucky to have simian in this position right now right i when you watch Lynch, you know who you reminded me of was Christian Hackenberg. Just the timing, the fact that they had to... He is not ready. Right. They had to load up on these really short passes to like, quote unquote, build his confidence. I mean, it wasn't building his confidence. The announcers pointed out really well how there were wide open receivers that he could have hit for first downs,

but he just didn't read the field well at all and just kind of threw the ball and was kind of panicked into tight quarters. It was dangerous. There was a lot. Yeah, there was Demarius Thomas coming across the field on what would have been an easy throw to a wide open wide receiver for the first down. Instead, he lofts, he's got a strong arm, but he whips it into traffic and a dangerous pass. They're lucky it wasn't picked off. That's Lynch. We'll get into the Broncos a little bit more when we go through the preseason games, but we know who will be their quarterback. Moving on, it is the end of the road for Anquan Bolden.

Part of Bolden's decision-making or a big part of the process was looking at what was going on in the world. now in this country right now, the issues, specifically citing the violence that occurred in Charlottville, Virginia earlier this month. Here's what he had to say on Sirius XM NFL radio. For me, to say that because football has been something that I've dedicated my life for. I can remember as a kid, I'm wanting to get to the NFL and wanting to be a professional football player. I've dedicated my life to that, and I never thought anything.

would take the place of that passion. But for me, it has. Colleen, 14 seasons. People kind of sleep on Anquan Bolden's career. 14 seasons, a second round pick of the Arizona Cardinals. And he finishes with almost 14,000 yards, over 1,000 catches, 82 touchdowns. He's on the can bubble. You could make the argument.

Yeah, that ring as well. I mean, just think about his rookie season. Remember when he came in? He's the only player in NFL history to have 1,000 catches as a rookie. He came in and he came in with a bang. But I think that the fact that he said just 13 days ago, he was all in with the bills. And, you know, seeing what happened in the world really changed things.

I wonder if he was on a different team, if he would have made the same decision now that they traded Sammy Watkins. And also, if you're looking at it from the bill's perspective, it's Brandon Bean. Yeah. Brandon Bean just said he used. Bolden signing as an example of why they aren't throwing in the towel and why they still can win.

And now they don't. They have Zay Jones and Jordan Matthews. Right. You wonder if he looked at the events that transpired on his team since he joined it. Right. I mean, at least partially. You'd have to. You know, I wouldn't doubt, though, that he's unbelievably passionate.

And I think of Vanquen bolden for a lot of reasons. But one was his Walter Payton Man of the Year's speech a couple years ago, which I happened to be there with. And he did that because of the work that he's done with underprivileged youth, and now he wants to get into criminal justice. And you listen to him talk that night, and he's extremely passionate and should be held up as the type of guy that the NFL really prizes. And they did with this award.

And he was like that on the field, too. I mean, he was so much fun to watch. I also think of covering that Super Bowl in 2009, and as great as Larry Fitzgerald was, and Fitzgerald was at the height of his powers. And Bolden had a solid postseason, and not an amazing posting that year. He was sort of known as the heart and soul of that offense

and the toughness that he had and the fact that he had been there. He was the guy that his teammates really talked about and looked to for leadership. Everywhere he's gone, he's been incredibly productive. And I take at face value what he's saying about why he's leaving. I think number one, he is you could definitely argue he's a Hall of Famer compared to some of the guys that are in the hall right now. But secondly, I think even when you cover

football and you watch what's happening around the world. It makes you question the seriousness of what we're doing compared to other stuff. And I think that players, if this continues at this pace, you're going to get more players making decisions like this. It's easy to see why he would do it. I mean, I completely agree with him. Even last week when I watched the Vice News piece that they did on Charlottesville, it was so good. And the reporter that was in it, her name was L. And I was watching, what a great job she did? And I was like, what what am I doing with my life? Should I be doing something that's more impactful on other people?

So I understand where Bolden's coming from. Now here you are. And I'm still here. I came back. Same thing. Behind enemy lines at a hate rally being on this podcast. But one last thing from my perspective, Anquam Bolden, one of the tougher guys. And I remember the 2008 season, the Cardinals were getting blown out by the Jets.

And it was the end of the game. and Bolden went over the middle and got obliterated by Eric Smith at Jet Safety, had seven plates put into his face. Basically broke his face, 40 screws. He missed two games. That's incredible. That's Anquoise. It's insane.

And before I move on, because this is, he's right there among my favorite players that I've watched since I've been doing this professionally. I think he'd be right there behind Frank Gore for the guys. Hello. Fun guys to watch over the last 10 years. two other things stayed out maybe the all-time greatest fantasy football pickup of all time because no one no one had him at all and then his first game out of nowhere he had 217 yards and so everyone picks him up and then he has that monster year and then number two the ravens do not win the super bowl without an kwan bolden that is not hyperbolic in any way he had a playoff run very similar to the one larry fitzgerald had in arizona to get them to the super bowl a lot of Joe Flacco's money that he got was from just kind of throwing the ball up in tight coverage or down the field and Anquan Bold and making plays on the ball in those playoffs. He had 380 yards, four touchdowns in those four games.

It was a monster run and he really, to me, put them over the top to get that title. I remember that run specifically. It was like he was the king of the third down and long, big catch, like 13 yard reception over the middle people in his face. Yeah, he could play. Are you calling Joe Flacco a fluco, by the way? No, I'm just saying Flacco doesn't get all that money without Anquan Bolden helping him out there. I was in the locker room near Anquan Bolden after that Super Bowl win, and people asked if he was going to keep playing,

and he wasn't sure to some degree, but he goes on to have two straight 1,000-yard seasons after that, please. Did they ask him if Joe Flacco was a fluko? I don't think that was a pressing question that night. You should have been there, Dan. This is a new bit? New bit. Flacco fluko?

This has been going on for a while. A long time, bro. A long time. It's not a new bit from Dan. Finally in the news, the NFL is close to finalizing a deal that would extend the tenure of Commissioner Roger Goodell through the 2024 season. Mike Garifolow of NFL Network reports. Goodell, 58 years old, succeeded Paul Taggleaboo in September 2006, been with the league in some form since 1982. Mark, you approached me privately and said you had some, quote, unquote, explosive, comma, high,

or critical comments to make, so now we'll throw it to you. That is absolutely incorrect. I mean, I think it's, honestly, it was kind of news to me that commissioners are on these contracts, to be honest, because I thought it was almost like a royalty type role where you just keep it until either you get too old or, you know, things become too insane. Sure. Maybe that's how it should be. Like maybe Goodell's first born son is who will succeed him.

I think plenty of people might, I might agree with. you plenty others might disagree with you uh i'm not sure that's what people are asking for no no mark it's out real quick nice pivot mark i'll take up the man no i'm just kidding uh i did think when i saw this based on news that's been out there over the last week yes we're still talking about this wow okay no i just very quickly go on preseason on us right now no that last week there was a lot of talk about the uh collective bargaining agreement it's coming up potential lockout going in four years happening in four years and so i saw this coming out the next week and he's going to be signed through it i think that that is something that the NFL understandably would want to get

done beforehand to kind of send the message that like this is our leadership he's going to be the one handling it throughout that whole period i was thinking that the preseason now has a chance to actually be knocked down to two games i think that will i would i would strongly expect that not Maybe not two games. It might be three. And then the preseason would be over right now, guys. It would get knocked down. Three games, I bet.

Three feels realistic. You could still get a lot done and it, you know, saves a lot of pain. I'm the only one that wants it to go back to the 70s. I want six preseason games. That is hell. I remember back then that you would actually also play division rivals in the preseason. It was a huge, it was a huge deal. I'll never forget the Jets Giants.

Johnny, Joe Namath said the Jets Giants preseason game after they won the Super Bowl. Super Bowl, where he guaranteed the victory, he said was a much bigger game, had much more attention, and he felt more pressure on it, that that was kind of the real. Come on. No, this is true. And, like, it's the front cover of the New York Times and all this stuff. Like, I don't really, it's hard to really wrap your mind around that right now, but that was the bigger deal.

That's what's happening in the news. All right, folks. Let's talk a little preseason action. By the way, Mark, I went to Disneyland with the family on Saturday. Yeah. And I have to say, you know how I had my radar up a little bit about the whole Star Wars thing? Well, I mean, it always you do, yes. Yeah, but in general, when I was worried about going back to the theme park in the Disney-owned Star Wars era.

Right, right. They've delved into that, yeah. My worst fears are realized when I went to Tomorrowland. It's basically a Star Wars exhibit within Disneyland, everyone wearing the, $35 t-shirts, there's like five different rides. It is no longer the Tomorrowland that I remember as a child, which was one of the more magical aspects of that theme park. Now it's a Star Wars attraction.

Two quick points. One, Tomorrowland, I went to it a couple years ago before any of this stuff got dumped into it. Tomorrowland, it'd become a little bit of a disappointment because... You shut your mouth! No, because it became like, here's what we thought space would look like in the future back in like 1958 and it was they were you know it looks like the mid-1980s it's ridiculous but secondly you know when you spend multi-billions of dollars on something i'm not surprised that they're maxing out their investment no i'm sure i mean a ton of money you're you're fighting an uphill battle that you'd think

they'd be extremely subtle on on this purchase and not make it clear that they own star wars i guess to your point the it is i have nothing to add i'm not even i don't even know what tomorrow land is i figured that well i've been there when you're born age 30 you're to be fair to Greg it doesn't look like anything from tomorrow it looks like something I've been there I've been at Disney it's a whole big part of the park and it's kitschy at this point but I kind of like that kitsy aspect of it now it's something different that's I mean Sydney I mean I'm sure she's going to be melting down when she hears this yeah Sid unmitigated be better Sid bow and arrow right to the heart of

Disneyland no actually a shout listening with weeks ago she says she listens yeah but shout out to Sydney who did send me literally a one 1,000-word email explaining the best way to attack a Disneyland visit. And that shows once again why she's a one-woman Mount Rushmore and also that she is the number one Disney fan. And her war strategy was right dead on? Everything was perfect. Nice.

Right down to the corn dog recommendation. I'm not even a corn dog guy. Best corn dog I ever had. I don't even really know what a corn dog is. I've never had one. It's stupid. Okay. Yeah.

All right. Let's move on to the free. season it's a hot dog dipped in I never have either I know what it is but I've never had one I I'm surprised you don't know what a corn dog is very Greg hot take from Colleen there I've never yeah I don't

I don't know I'm more I'm more of like if I go to a carnival or a fair I'm more of a funnel cake girl You know something youthful corn dogs of youth All right Sorry Greg We didn't have those in horseshomes Oh yeah

Yeah every once in a while My mom who listens to the pot be like, you tell him, you had a great child. I think to a moment would be quite in a front, the entire campaign to suggest. It kind of feels like she's in the right on that one. All right, preseason games. So here we go. We're going to go through 12 games before the show.

We divvied up how we're going to go through them all. So, Mark, we're going to start with you. I'm just going to go. And Mark, now I'm going to realize that what I told you the order that we were going to go in is not actually necessarily going to be the order. I will. I will. I'm going to have to on the fly.

Yeah. You have to jump to the line. You're going to have to point out, say, watch the mic, watch the mic. And we're going to start with the Kansas City Chiefs and the Cincinnati Bengals. What do you got? Biggest takeaway.

Oh, by the way, let me set it up for the audience. Please do. A little better. We're not going to get hung up on the games too much, although the results are important. So one kind of big takeaway from each team involved in the game. All right, Mark. I don't know how you get out of this game

without the big takeaway being, you know, following a very, again, a very sturdy, Alex Smith looked great. Patrick Mahomes in his second, pro game to me. Incredible progress even from his first preseason game, starting to do things in every possible way you could ask a quarterback with his feet, extending plays, looking off his first option, incredible arm strength, and not afraid to push the ball down field. Greg, I think you put it well in your winners and losers, that the idea that Mahomes is a complete opposite to Alex

Smith, that it's also helping Alex Smith, but the chiefs are in great position at quarterback. I thought the same thing, because Alex Smith played very well again. Yeah. And you wonder if not that he's a professional and he's always been a sturdy, solid quarterback, that this doesn't help him, like having this real guy that's making plays in practice and pushing him in a way that insert bad Casey backup in past years didn't. Maybe it makes Alex Smith a better quarterback. It makes him at least a little more aggressive.

I mean, he's had two really good drives. They have to feel so good that they have a 21-year-old that seems ahead of schedule. I mean, he's already has to be one of the best quarterbacks in football just when a free rusher is coming after him that he can run away and just kind of make a play on the run. Because that was the whole game. He had no protection and he was doing it. What about the Cincinnati side of the ball?

Well, I wanted to see Joe Mixon, and he was slowed down, you know, did not get a lot done as a runner, but a very, he had another screen pass where, again, it took the fourth or fifth guy to get him on the ground. And I think that he's going to be such an incredible element to that Bengals passing game. I mean, they may need it. The A.J. Green, Andy Dalton connection, which Green dropped a couple passes and things didn't go right.

And again, it showed you that the offense slows down when that connection isn't perfect. Are you worried about it all? Not that concerned. Yeah. I mean, it's, you know. Yeah, I think they'll be fine. They'll be fine. Cream Hunt.

I love Cream Hunt. I'm, like, so high on Cream Hunt. He had the ball, I think, 11 times in their first 20 plays. He's their guy. Let's move on to Connie Fox, who's going to start us with. the Saints and the Los Angeles Chargers. Let's talk to the ball, Connie. Alvin Kamara.

So, I mean, he says Kamara. I think, well, his mom says Camara and he says Kamara. Whatever. Either one works. Listen, he started the game with a huge splash play. He had a 50-yard touchdown run on the first play from scrimmage, a 20-yard catch. He's really versatile.

He touched the ball six times at 81 scrimmage yards, and he didn't even play the full first quarter. So he came out, he looks good, no Adrian Peterson or Mark Ingram in the game. But Kamara is a star potentially, I think. So how does that work? I don't know. Let's say this guy is the real deal. And the two established veterans, I guess it's a good problem to have.

I mean, it's a great problem. It's a perfect kind of Sean Payton type running back. He's talked about him as a game-changing, offense-changing type of player, Sean Peyton. And that's what he's looking like. I think there's plenty of snaps to go around. for the three of them. I think they got the most versatile backfield in the league, potentially. If Peterson can be Peterson,

they're going to love this preseason. Yeah, and I think I was watching that on the Kamara touchdown run, Ryan Ramcheck threw a really good block too, and he's kind of thrown into the fire right now, a rookie left tackle with Turan Armstead out. So he had an up and down game. Give you something from the Chargers. Okay, I wrote way too many notes.

on the Chargers side of things, the offensive line cannot catch a break. So their backup tackle broke his hand. You already have Russell Kuhn and Joe Barksdale out with injuries. So, I mean, I don't know. They actually made the Saints look like they had a pass rush. That's what the offensive line did in this game. Saints defense in general looked solid in this game.

Of course, you know, Kellan Clemens is out there. That's what I can't stand about August football. It's hard to get an assessment. about San Diego on offense when your best players is not on the feet. It's like, hey, L.A. Stubhubh Center. Here's seven quarters of Kellynne Clemens. I don't think they scored offensively. Did they in this game?

I mean, here's no zero points from our offense. No run game whatsoever. Their rookie Desmond King looked good, though. They'll be fine. I mean, rivers didn't even play. Little concern. Just a little concern that I picked them on like August 7th to go to the Super Bowl. It might have been a little audacious.

Thank you. Thank you, Irish Times. And you promise this year you're going to stick with that across all platforms. I will, and it's going to be something that people will copy and paste into, like, mentions to me. And you know what? Bring it. Do the subject of like a barstool article. Like NFL media bozo don't know nothing.

Moving on. Let's talk about the cults and the Dallas Cowboys. You know who I'm interested in. And if you're listening to this pod, you might know this. you fell as probably no, too. I love me some Des Bryant. Always loved Des. I started to get worried last year

during another kind of injury plague season that we might have seen the best of Des. And he could be a guy that goes into an earlier decline just because of how beat up he's been. Maybe he does. But he looked really good in this game. Dak Prescott played some significant playing time. Des made a really nice touchdown

where he looked just like old Des Bryant, so which is good. The other kind of takeaway I had on the, Cowboys' offenses, I think they're going to be fine getting by with Darren McFadden. You know, assuming he could say on the field, I don't know about Al Morris as much, but ran well two weeks and around him. Yeah, McFadden, he looks like the guy that ran for 1,100 yards two years ago. So I'm not going to say he's going to be the run DMC guy that everyone thought

was going to be a superstar. But I think they're going to be okay with him, and I think that's good for the Cowboys because they're probably going to need him for at least a month and a half, potentially. One of the most telling things in this game was Dak Prescott telling the sideline reporter that Des Bryant is a much better football player than he was a year ago at this time. Wow. Did he explain? What did he explain?

Oh, talking about his health because he was not, he was. He had an off season this year for like the first time. Yeah, he was banged up last year. That was very public. He just didn't look himself. He was battling through injuries. And now it's kind of the, I'm in great shape. I'm healthy, Des.

I, we talked about this on the last show, but this cult's team, it was painful to watch them. It's hard to assess how effective the Cowboys are again in this kind of a game when they're going up what might be the worst team in football when Andrew Luxon on the... 170 yards to 10 in the first quarter when the start is right out there. Scott Tolzeen is hard to watch. He averaged five yards an attempt. The holes for McFadden were crazy.

It was sad to watch. By the way, Frank Gore, beware. Marlon Mack. He looked really good. I think he's that teat. You nervous about that? No. He's been getting hype for much.

months that team needs some juice you know mac getting some playing time it's not the end of the world frank gore doesn't need 350 carries at this stage all right gregg moving on to mr rosenthal greg let's talk a little new england houston tom savage is where i'm going to start because he all but locked up the week one starting job we got really excited about deshawn watson and his first preseason game tom savage has had three straight really good drives did did a little bit of everything kind of deep throws, red zone, look good. Deshawn Watson wasn't bad in this game, but he was up and down.

He ended up being three of ten in the game. And it just cemented, I think, the decision that Bill O'Brien really is leaning towards, which is that Savage is the safer pick to start. It's eventually Watson's team. But overall, by all accounts, Tom Savage has had a good training camp, and he's played pretty well in the preseason

after a couple bad drives in his first game. I've seen some good things from Watson. But again, it's almost like the Broncos scenario unless someone completely were to outshine the guy that was in there last year you've got to start with savage and he's just simply looked completely efficient or more efficient than many expected he had a great throw to jalen strong too i mean he was out there without their top three receivers about bruce ellington right he got cut by two different teams including the jets you telling me the jets couldn't you fantastic definitely don't need so prehistin we're good

he's a preceive he's a pretty he made an impressive catch in a couple of the fact he joined the team and was starting within a week and was like their leading receiver making plays is wild. Here's a really hot take. That's here I love. Mild take. Mild take.

Okay. Wow. You downgraded that quickly. All right. Like Mark with the Goodell. Jimmy Garapolo in the preseason. And just in general. Like, it's weird.

We just, he never, if you didn't know who he was and you just watched his preseason games from the last three years, like does he really stand out? If you put him on the Browns at, they had traded him, and he played the way in two starts for Cleveland, the way he has for New England, there would be concerns.

I just, I think they'll be absolutely fine, but he's had some turnovers. Had made some great throws, too. He made some great plays, but he's just been kind of up and down. But, and, you know, in addition to that, bigger problems, because Deonto Foreman's four-yard run with 11 minutes to play in the fourth quarter, was the difference? is the Houston Texans. 27-23 win comeback for Houston, improving them to one-on-one.

Big home win really gets the monkey off their back with the Patriots and the varsity jacket and the playoff loss. Yes. All that is gone now. It's gone wiped away. And, you know, it's time to hit that panic button because the defending champs, 0 and 2. Win the almost completely, almost mathematically eliminated from any opportunity of winning going back to back.

based on I judge the preseason is a title so if you can't do that there's no repeat even with Rex Burkhead like the most Patriots player ever

looking like he's going to explode Rex Berkett's that's very yeah not a surprise incredibly tedious development in New England all right let's go around the horn again here Mark

a little Green Bay Washington Chetta I don't know if you want to just look at the preseason and say nothing matters just get us to week one and there's a fair argument there but the Redskins offense

it has been an absolute disaster. It looks better than it should because of one drive right before half time. They kept Cousins in until right before half because of what happened before. That's interesting in itself. It is. And also, I mean, the look on Jay Gruden's face said it all. I mean, it was one punt after the next. They couldn't move at all.

They had a drive that just simply ended on downs because they couldn't convert a short run. Kirk Cousins, completely not on the same page with guys like Terrell Pryor. And really making some interesting decisions that Kirk Cousin, talk about Jimmy Garoppolo not having a preseason you think he would have. Kirk Cousins has looked very problematic so far in that Ravens game was an abject disaster. And this did not get them any farther along. I'd be really concerned if I were a Reds consent, you're worried about this. I think number one, number one, you're playing deep into the first half. You want to see them start to destroy the opposition that are putting out a bunch of hands.

Ham and Eggers, and they are not moving the ball at all. All right. What about on the Green Bay? Wow. Green Bay, I mean, Green Bay, I don't know what, but it's, here's the thing. Green Bay is what you want to see from any team. Aaron Rogers and the offense went right down the field, shredded Washington. It looked like they had been, you know, shot from a portal in mid-November.

They looked absolutely warmed up and ready to go. And their defense, again, I don't know what to tell you. I mean, if anything happens to Aaron Rogers, Brett Huntley looked good, too. So the Packers were fine, no concerns. So Washington, 2 and 14? I don't think it's anywhere near that dire. This is a guy, the amount of money that Kirk Cousins has made from the Redskins, I don't like to see what I saw.

They had a little bit of a similar vibe last August and going into the week. That's why everyone panicked so much in that week one game against Pittsburgh. So that might be part of it. But when it does combine with a lot of reports out of Washington, the offense has struggled throughout camp, that the defense has kind of been dominating them, then you do start to get a lot more. And they've called it a soft camp.

It just, you know, I don't know. You brought up questionable play calls. Well, I actually found this team last season in the year before. When they're moving and they're looking good. They're very interesting to watch. Actually, they won me over last season. They're doing the opposite right now. You mentioned suspect play calls.

My favorite suspect play call the entire week was Houston Texans in the first quarter against the Patriots, a third and six from the eight-yard line. Fourth and six. Fourth and six from the eight-yard line, knocking on the door. A little half-back draw to Lamar Miller for two yards. It was almost like Bill O'Brien was trying to, like, make Bill proud of him be like, hey, Bill, I don't give a shit about these games either. We're cool like that.

You and me. We're both, like, basically the same coach. As you guys pointed out, the Patriots didn't even celebrate. I thought they were just kind of beguiled by the whole thing. Tony Ely was on the field. Literally, he like shrugged his shoulders. Like, well? Yeah.

All right. Moving on, Connie Fox. The Dob Bears, I came up with that, and the Arizona Cardinals. Good job by you. That's amazing. Invented. From the Cardinal side of things, Tyron Matthew, he looks like he's back to being a nightmare. That's great.

Back to back games. We've seen him play like this after 2016. He just never really looked like himself. He shut down Kevin White on the first series. And then the best play of the entire game for him, he intercepted Mike Glennon and then ran it back about 50 yards. Nice. I know. So that set up the Cardinals.

only touchdown of the first half, but he's so fast. And when he was playing, I guess it was two years ago, he was playing so well, and that's when he got hurt. We were talking about it. I think Mark and I saw you a couple days ago. Defensive player of the year, Canada. Yeah. So it looks like he's back to that level at this point.

And it's only the preseason. That's great, because especially after the second serious knee injury, then you start to be worried, will he ever get back to it? And he had a down year last year. Yeah. So there's that. Do you want to flip it over to the Bears? Let's flip.

Okay. I'm not going to go, Aguio, or Glennon, or Trubisky here. Okay, I like this. I'm buying stock and Tariq Cohen. Oh, yeah. Because he looked really good. He looked so good that Bruce Ariens was really pissed at his run defense for looking the way that they did. Cohen came out and broke off runs of 25, 16, 16, and 9, totaling 77 yards.

And the only good play was the Robert Kim Dice tackle. But it's a tough spot, I think. for Cohen because he looks good but he's sitting behind Jordan Howard but they have a nice little weapon He's a little different than Jordan Howard He's very wiggly and I mean They're going to need all the he really is

Like he would like see sort of slipping through people It was just fun to watch I thought I mean a 5-6 guy with the last name Cohen Yeah Like I would have expected he was like an OC character Or something like that Not a running back for the Bears I'm always a little surprised

Because you were definitely plugged in on OC A little bit more than I would have thought Greg would be. I referenced OC every like, you know, three and a half months or so. I feel like it comes down. I was in on OC, Beverly Hills 902 and O. Wow. I like the whole thing.

Really? Melrose. Interesting. The reboot of 902.0. No, by then I was an adult. I don't know. You've always been an adult. I didn't really watch any, any of the 902 and O stuff from Melrose place, but I did, I was

into Dawson's Creek initially. It's a little embarrassing. No, you were not. Oh, so was that. I was a big early period Buffy the Vampire Slayer fan. Like me and my loser friends that had no girlfriends, we were like way into Sarah Michelle Geller as like B-Star to track into the new millennium. Didn't quite work out that way, but that show was very good early on.

People forget with 90210 that it started as a family show. I was young enough for I would watch it with my parents when it would air. And then over the course of a couple seasons, it turned into this, you know, outrageous soap opera. I guess this would be... Yeah, suddenly, yeah, it gets dark and you're sitting next to mom and dad while they're just getting, like, bombed and drunk driving. I think I was just watching Saved by the Bell at this point.

Yeah, I was watching Bill. You don't really remember a whole lot. You're younger than that. I guess I'll just share this story real quick since Sarah Michelle Geller came up, but... Oh, God. We had a friend of ours. I will not use his name, but he was looking for a prom date

right around this time for the junior prom. and we told him he should write a actual letter to Sire Michelle Geller and mail it and see if one of those things happens where it's like, Paris Hilton showed up to the prom. Like maybe it would happen for that. So as a joke,

he didn't take it seriously, but what he did instead was because he kind of had like a, kind of a nerdy sensibility, but a good sense of humor. A couple days later, he's like, hey guys, I wrote that letter and he wrote the most profane,

like perverted letter possible like really something that like the last thing you would ever send out just try to make us laugh so we thought it's funny and forgot about it and then like a couple weeks later he's like hey guys my my mom found

the letter in the room and and she just I came home from school and she was just sitting in the kitchen with the letter what is this and then like you don't understand it was a joke

so you just revealed his you revealed his name guy okay I can't get that out. And then her response was, and this had to be crushing. She's like, you really need to get a girlfriend. And she dropped a letter and walked out of the room. No.

What a response. That's so embarrassing. I was convinced that was Jason Zunwald until you dropped someone else's name. I thought it was Bob. No, not Bob either. So there's my Sarah Michelle Geller story. Mike Glennon thrilled that we didn't talk about how poorly he's. Oh, forget.

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A lot of reaction to that. Someone killing me that I wouldn't know it. Well, why would I? I think it. Come on. I didn't know it either. It wasn't like I was digging through like Eisenhower era science fiction as a child. I think it became popular enough.

that it was in schools and it was a story. I would have gotten you guys there if I was here, but I'm here Friday. You've read that. Totally would have been all over it. You actually know it. You know it. No.

Okay. Anyway, a lot of people did, though. So thank you. You had my back. Love you guys. Now, you know who doesn't have my back to New York Jets? Let's talk about the Jets and the Detroit Lions game. And I guess we've got to start with, yeah.

Let's start with the Jets. And Christian Hakenberg, as much he got kind of reserved. positive reviews off last week. All that kind of went away in the game on Saturday. He was pretty terrible. He doesn't have a lot of help, and that's the big problem with the entire thing because the offensive line is not settled at all.

He has no playmakers, but he does not look functional at this point. And this quarterback competition is as over as the Denver one, even if Bowles is going to wait another week before he announces it, just to give you a little bit of perspective how bad they've been with Hackenberg on the field. The Jets are going to be bad with whoever's on the field, by the way. But zero points and 13 possessions against the lines, but not the 85 bears.

They have some nice players, but they're not the 85 bears. Two first downs and 47 yards in the entire half. He was a surprise starter before the game. After the game, Hakenberg, because they took away. What they did was the line sat up and took away all the short stuff that worked for Hakenberg when he got some positive reviews last week. And then once that happened, it was all. over and Hakenberg had nowhere to go.

He took a couple of savage hits. After the game, Hakenberg said he watched tape. He believed the Lions watched tape and that's how they came up with the game plan. Isn't that how it works? Somebody on the Lions and said, we didn't watch anything. These teams, they're not watching a second in tape for these pre-season games. So the Jets are in deep, deep trouble. You know that.

But, yeah. And then. He fumbled on his first pass attempt. Like, you should have known it was going to be bad at the very same. He took the worst sack of the weekend, too. I was surprised to see him get up. It showed some toughness he kept playing, but some people thought that that's on him to kind of identify.

There's more rushers than... There was six rushers. Well, it wasn't his blind side. I mean, he was coming right out of him. He had eight plays where he went back to pass. Those eight plays created zero yards total. A total of zero yards. And a couple of his passes were just way off.

It's very clunky. Yeah, and the idea that, oh, you know, they're going to need to get a good long look at him at some point this season. No, you don't. Right. I think they should get a good long look. I think it made sense what they did in the second preseason game. They should do it again for the fourth preseason game. I think after that, you can make an evaluation where, I don't know.

Like, I don't think his roster spot should necessarily be guaranteed just because you took him in the second round. If you're confident enough in your evaluation, this guy's never going to be a guy. Yeah, but if the season is one big evaluation, what's going to hurt, like giving him a couple starts? And then maybe if he bombs out then, then you have, what else do you have to? to see if you get enough looks at him. I just saying, I think at this point, you know, they were able to hide behind the excuse last year that he was in bubble wrap. He's now out of bubble wrap a year later and they're still saying he's like a rookie

and all this stuff. No, I mean, at this point, if he doesn't show something soon, I agree. And as someone who a month ago thought they should have started him to begin the season, it's clear now that he is not close to being ready. And you're doing a service to nobody at that point. And quickly, I don't know what to take away from this game from the Detroit side because the defense maybe a little humble pie that's showing up for training camp late didn't really hurt them oh wow maybe that's coming out but at the same time it's like a couple things how can we make any judgment at the lines defense when they're against the jets

that's that's my only point they look good but whatever um offense look good yeah Jake Ruddock even they might be okay so you look as a backup and my other point I don't want to be negative about the lions Jim Caldwell you know over in Tennessee a franchise is on the rise. Mike Malarkey, what does he do? He says, hey, guys, let's reschedule practice. Let's look at the eclipse together. What do you think our friend, Mr. I don't blink, Jim Caldwell did?

What was his response? Jim, he not only had practice during the eclipse today, he moved it indoors because he worried that because of the eclipse it might be hard to see. Well, especially if he doesn't blink. This is a major solar event. And guess what?

Good job. It's essentially, he's the bad, like the kids were the evil classmates in all summer in the day, in a day. That's what Jim Caldwell did to the entire Lions roster, putting him under a bubble. Mike Zimmer did. That's your team, Detroit. Mike Zimmer did the same thing. But he said legitimate medical reasons.

He's only got one eye that works well. He doesn't want to ruin that. Brought him inside. All right. That's true. Let's move on. Greg, you are up. So let's talk a little.

We get my paperwork together. The Rams and the Raiders. Jared Goff. is coming off the most positive performance of his career. It's only preseason, but he hasn't had a lot of things to make the home crown excited. And if I was a Rams fan, I would feel very good, just that he looked competent. Okay, so we looked for Paxton Lynch, just didn't look competent. Like there was no growth here.

Here's Jared Goff in a new offense who is making good decisions, who was kind of going through his reads, a lot of checkdowns, but ultimately made really smart decisions all night and had a couple really nice throws. and move the ball. They had 17 points in the first half, 14 points in the first quarter, and you'd start to think, okay, like maybe Sean McVeake and bring Gough up to a level where he's a solid starter this year. Absolutely agree. Two things happen. When Gough suddenly looked competent, it opened up Todd Gurley's action on the ground. He had a couple nice runs to the far side of the field, got yardage. And you have an offense. The Rams for years

could not develop wide receivers hurting every quarterback that they had in there. Now suddenly, you did not have this 10 days, so you have Sammy Watkins to go with Cooper. Cooper Cup, who absolutely looked like he fit in like an experienced veteran in that attack. Cooper Cup has a decent chance to be their number one receiver, I think, over Sammy Watkins. I know it's crazy because just in terms of the amount of receptions that he gets.

He is, his hype in terms of the team around him and just what he's shown on the practice field and now in both precincts games has been, And I would say right there with any rookie in the entire league. This is a third round slot receiver. I would be surprised if he doesn't catch 60-70 pass. Lesneed could use a hit in the middle of the rounds. Well, I talked to Lesneed in the off season.

Humble back. Yeah. And he was so high on Cooper Cup. And I was kind of thinking to myself like, all right, is he just really pumping him up right now because he's on the Rams? And now I'm like seeing all of the things that he said about him are true, which is kind of, it's kind of weird. I don't know if I trust it yet. Yeah, well, it's more evidence that, at least for me, I'm going to look at Jared Goff, like, reset button because now it seems like it has some players, has a coaching staff, and he's showing signs of growth now. Let's see what happens.

Same thing with Todd Girl. I'm excited to see what the Rams look like, anything from the Oakland side, Greg. I really didn't have a big takeaway other than I was concerned about their defense on paper going into the training camp and from what I've read in training camp, and they certainly didn't make me feel any better about them in this game. I don't know how you, you know, everyone sort of tickets them to get right back to 12 and 4 with what we've seen from their defense so far. It's, I'm not going to make that judgment off a preseason, but there are problems. Last time around the horn mark, a little falcons Steelers. What a showdown.

My takeaway for this game was that a lot of times when we would bring up the Falcons, beyond just the Super Bowl hangover scenario, was the absence of Kyle Shanahan replaced by Steve Sarkozy and who's never called an NFL game. I have harped on that a bunch. After seeing what the starters and even the waves of players after the starting offense have done, I couldn't be more impressed with the Falcons. They look like they're picking up right where they left off

from last year on offense. And it has the same feel as last year's offense. The flow of action, the way that plays are being called, is very similar to last season so far. And I think that it tells you potentially, because this is a defense on the rise, too, that the Falcons are, you know, this is continuity where you really, really needed it. Well, how do you explain them, Mark, their 0-1-2 record to start the season?

Because everything about that, it stinks like a Super Bowl letdown. Yeah, in the prism of how we're assessing, how you're assessing the preseason, that's a very fair concern. But they shredded Pittsburgh's defense over the first 20 minutes or so. With no Julio Jones, by the way. No, it's Avanta Freeman. I don't put much. They're such a veteran team that, like, they're obviously.

offense. I almost don't even want to watch it this preseason just because I've seen all those guys before. Let's see what they, you know, let's see what they do in the regular season. What about the Pittsburgh Steelers, Mark? I guess you have to look at James Connor, who, you know, we've waited to see him and he was good. I don't put him in the same place I would with mixing or cook on the Vikings, but he's, he gives them. They didn't have a clear-cut backup, and he's someone that if Levion Bell for some reason did not start the season, that would be a disaster. He gives you another body back there.

Bell's usage was also off the charts last year once he finally came back from suspension. So if this guy actually can play beyond just being a fan favorite and a great story, that would be very good. One other quick thing, I mean, Josh Dobbs. Josh Dobbs at one point, I mean, he's had it rough two weeks. He's scrambling to his, you know, towards the sideline

and just simply drops the ball. There's a lot of things happening where if there's anything that happens to Big Ben and it goes to Josh Dobbs, you got problems. Yikes. Colleen, a little Carolina Tennessee talk. Okay, so Marcus Marietta, he looks better than ever. And of course, that's something that is said a lot in the preseason. It's thrown around ex-player.

Yeah, it looks better than ever. But his leg doesn't appear to hinder him at all. He was sprinting around on the second play of the game. And I think his passes look even prettier and better executed than they did last year. So it looks like he's actually taken a step in the offseason. He's not only rehabbed, but I think he's. his mechanics are better, too. Kind of like Savage, he's playing without most of his best receivers,

weren't even out there. Yeah. He's still dialing up plays to, like, Tewan Taylor. That's true. Who week one might be a bigger factor than Corey Davis, who is their top five overall pick. I mean, we'll see if Cory Davis gets back on the field, but he's a guy coming from a small college who's barely practiced as a pro,

whereas Taylor's been on the field seems like a part of that often. Greg's boy, Derek Henry. After on the last show, you said maybe he would eclipse. That's right. Marco Murray. Partial eclipse, they are trusting him to do a lot. You gave up on that. Why not? Why not finish?

I thought you were only partially finishing the bit to reference partial equipment. You got to be very careful. You got to follow the rules. When I was a figure skater, I did a routine to that song. Did you really? Yeah. Is it, do we have footage of it anywhere? I hope not.

I don't think so. Can you dig it up for a Wednesday show? Definitely not. We'll see. Worth the idea. Worth a shot. Let's move on and talk. Wait, Panthers.

Oh, sorry. Real quick. Oh, hey, don't short change me now. My opinion of. Colleen's on like 14 shows now so she can just like fire off barbs. My opinion of Christian McCaffrey just keeps getting better and better. He has amazing big playability. He had a really nice 17-yard touchdown run.

And he also was in there catching screen passes. He finished as the team's third leading receiver. So he's super versatile. and obviously they're going to use him a ton coming up in this. That 38-yard screen pass he had, you're going to be seeing this all season. It's another thing where you're like, wait, why did, how did this guy not land on a team I would rather see succeed more than the Panthers? What? Namely mine.

Oh, okay. Well, he could have been yours. He could have been on your team. I know. I just, it's, it's, he's going to be rookie of the year type candidate player. I remember at the Combine, after he was finished, with all the running back drills, they then put him through a bunch of different receiver drills, too.

And he was the only one, I think, that day that they did it with. And he was dazzling everybody. Well, people said he had the best combine they had ever seen, basically. Good job, Colleen, to stick up. Yeah, I apologize to Colleen. You're apologizing. I want to make my point, Dan. Can I share the new, like, world here at NFL Media?

I don't, no, I don't think so. I can't share it? I don't think so, not yet. I'll holster that. Yeah. Colleen is the new. play-by-play host for Thursday night. Can you imagine?

She's replacing, who is that even? That went well. Still take that serious. Yeah, no, that's not serious. Yeah. I can't say. I'm not allowed to say, but Colleen's very popular around you now. No, I'm not.

It's fine. I believe it's Jim Nance. Contrast to the rest of the room. At least most of the room. Stop. All right. Now I will share my final thoughts on the Seattle Seahawks in the Minnesota Vikings.

Russell Wilson First of all there was a big injury in this game They lost their left tackle The Seahawks George Fent And it looks like he's done for the year And they had a third round pick Going in for him after the entry And I don't know

If that's maybe the last thing The Seahawks needed after a season In which Russell Wilson was banged up Losing your left tackle Halfway through August It's terrible news So we'll see if they're able to find a way To fix that situation

We've got a little breaking news Oh, sure. Related to this. Seattle Seahawks have acquired tackle slash guard. Matt Tobin from the Eagles. Toby. Loaded toadstor. And seventh round pick in exchange for a fifth round pick.

He is expected to compete. He probably will still be a backup. I think they have this younger guy whose name I can't quite pronounce. Well, they have, it's Rees-Odi-Umbo. Good pronunciation, Mark. I liked it. Luke Jockel. There's a possibility, too, I guess.

I don't know. not inspiring no sounded like monday they wanted to leave him at guard yeah and try someone else but the point i was going to make is if they if they figure this out good but russell wilson looks so great he's so fluid and he's really fun to watch wilson and you kind of you forget how he was basically the best quarterback in the league at the end of the 2015 season and then he got all jacked up last season and the offense had some issues um i wouldn't be surprised if he's an MVP guy this year you know what to me he looked and and there was in the dead of july i wrote some article about how he went on this entire diet he lost he shed i think 12 to 15 pounds or something got about that

he looks like a guy that is completely trimmed down he's got his speed back he's fully healthy i couldn't agree more with your point um um um one quick minnesota point then i'll close with the seattle cook look really good again seven carries for 40 yards it looks like minnesota hit on something there uh in their transition away from ap and then on the On the other side of the ball running back, I don't know about this Eddie Lacey thing. And this could be a problem for the Beach Body Empire. Beach Body. I don't know about his body, how it's looking.

Well, he's not out of shape. He's just, I don't think he's. He's not quick. He's the guy that they are looking for to start necessarily. They keep putting other people in there ahead of him. Yeah, he definitely, they have another option. Their seventh round pick, Chris Carson, who ran better than him. And basically, he looks good.

Eddie Lacey looks potentially redundant in this offense. So, I don't know. Is it possible he's a surprise cut? We'll have to see how it all plays out. But I'm sure, other than that, though, the offense looks great. Eddie Lacey, maybe not so much. I never know what to take from these Seahawks preseason games. You can set your clock to it that every year the Seahawks are just going to mash teams in the preseason,

that they just come out and they play so hard and they're like they're so excited when they make a stop. And they just destroy teams year after year. I love it. It's maybe Carol's way. One last thing. Shout out to the 12s, I have to say, because in the clink, that was legitimately like a regular season crowd. They're screaming their heads off during this game. And it's like it is week two of the preseason.

And they're acting like it's the NFC championship game. So shout out for the 12s. I think maybe they love the preseason as much as I do. I think they see it the way you see it. Yeah. Super hyper passionate about the team, no matter what. Greg, close us out with a little Denver, San Francisco. Oh, we already.

tucked the quarterback on the Broncos, but I'm interested in their running back situation. Jamal Charles didn't play for a second straight week. And you wonder, he's going to play in the third preseason game, but DeAngelo Henderson, who is a rookie that in theory would have a similar role to the one you imagine Charles playing as kind of a third down, backup change of pace. He's a factor. He looks good and he's healthy. And I think he's going to make it tougher for Jamal Charles to make.

make this team because Henderson looks like a guy that's going to be someone you want to get the ball behind Anderson once the regular season starts. I mean, they've, I think with Jamal Charles, like he probably had to come in and wow these guys to... Maybe he will.

Maybe he'll come out next week and we don't know enough about it and he'll look great too, but he hasn't been healthy and so I think Henderson's going to make some noise. Anything else, Greg? Well, for the 49ers, I've liked what I've seen out of their two rookie defenders. I'm not going to, I don't put too much into the fact that they didn't move the ball at all against the Broncos. I don't know. Like they, Brian Hoyer supposedly has looked good throughout camp. He

looked okay in the first preseason week. I'm willing to just throw it out. The problem with Hoyers, he's going to do two things a game, if not more, but at least two to kill you. And he, and he did that in this game. And I, I agree with you. Kyle Shanahan likes to kind of unveil things when when week one begins, but they had 10 yards rushing over the first 25 minutes. Yeah. It's the second game in a row where the ground game with ground game under shanahan typically you see it you see the difference and we've not seen it and they're trying to figure out who who's even going to get the ball behind carlo's side there's a lot of options they haven't really settled on who's going to be the backup uh very good uh all right there it is week two of the preseason good stuff everybody

uh we'll be back on wednesday it'll be our video show so you'll get the audio show and if you go to nfl dot com slash at n video you'll also get a video show um so that will be exciting and uh coming up later i don't know it's not sure if it's going to be later this week or next week but it is the third we got to figure this out there we got to button this one down it is the third annual fantasy extravaganza very regal uh squires involved yeah it's our own special version of of a fantasy preview because we know if you're a smart person, your draft should be coming up any time

after week three of the preseason if it's before get your act together, your trash, you're a clown, you know, I'm going to rain it in a little bit because there's probably a lot of people to listen to the show that already drafted. Well, but you're right. You're right. But anyway, what, Cullen? No, that's crazy. I mean,

get your mock drafts in right now, but not your real drafts. Mock it up. Anyway, so we're going to, we want to hold our extravaganza right around the time where your draft is going to be happening. So either later this week, next week, get excited. Special guests galore and our own unique take on fantasy, including the guy that built fantasy himself, Greg Rosenthal,

brick by brick over at Rodo World. And, of course, a return to Fantasy Corner with Mark Sessler, very dangerous and hot takes abound. Yeah, an ominous place to be more so than ever. I'm worried about you. That's be real. We'll be missing Wes even more. We miss them every show, but we miss them even more during fantasy extravaganza week.

It won't be the same without him. It's hard to even think, imagine that we do it without him, but this year is different, unfortunately, and we just got a soldier on without the gold helmet. Or I have an idea. We simply boycott the fantasy double show. I do. Last year, one of my favorite subplots was how much you despise the fantasy extravaganza,

including the ramp up and planning process. Well, I mean, you know, let's see for what it is. I can't wait for it. it now. I'm so excited. I could do with or without it. If it happens, I'll do my best. Get on that corner, put on the Kevlar vest, and let's have some fun, Mark. All right. Roger.

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