NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Broncos-Saints TNF Recap

Episode Date: October 18, 2024

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Adam and Ryan of the Saints Block Party Podcast to recap the Broncos and Saints facing off on Thursday Night Football. The show starts with a discussion about the state of the Saints, followed by Spencer Rattler's play (07:45), Sean Payton's night in New Orleans (23:31) and Bo Nix's play (31:08). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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His second touchdown of the night, and it's 25 to 3, Denver. That was Javante Williams scoring his second touchdown of the night. A low moment in a series of low moments for the New Orleans Saints on a Thursday night to forget in the Superdome. 33 to 10, the Broncos end up winning this game. Jake Hainer is in at the end. and put some lipstick on a pig in what was one of the lowest moments in Saints history. And that is a lot of low moments in this history. But my God, I don't know if this was the worst night to have the Saints Block Party podcast on

or the perfect night to have on the Saints Block Party podcast. That's right. It's my friend Adam West and Ryan from the Saints Block Party podcast. Of course, that was Kevin Coogler from Westwood One. Fellas, I'm sorry, I guess. Is how I'll start with this one, Adam? No. I want to start this one with some, I like throwing facts out there, right?

I don't have a producer, but I'm just going to throw some facts out here for D.A.'s Saints tenure. Since he got hired as head coach, he has beaten four teams with winning records. four. Those teams were the Seattle Seahawks in 2022 were the Taysom game where he went Supernova. The Indianapolis coached last year

quarterback Garna Mintu. The Philadelphia Eagles who were 14 and 3, but that was also Gardner, Munchu was starting that game in 2022 and the Bucks last year towards the end of the season. Those are the only teams that he is beaten as head coach.

Furthermore, furthermore, This is the first time that the Saints have lost back-to-back games at home by more than 20 points since 2001. Ooh, that was my senior year. I don't think I had season tickets that year. I had season tickets one year, but I did go to a few games that year. And yeah, not a great era of Saints football. There was some buzz that there was some fire Dennis Allen chance there.

There was a paper bag at the end of this game. There was an SOS sign. It was rough. But I come back, Ryan, to the fact that on a night where they were honoring Drew Breeze, that's where really this all comes back to for me. On a night where Drew Breeze was in the booth with Amazon, on a night where Sean Payton is in the building, for this to all happen tonight, that night,

I just think that that actually crystallized. everything, because ownership is in the building. Gail Benson is in the building. And to have that low a moment while you're celebrating the highest moments of your franchise history with the best player in franchise history, Drew Brees there, I think it spells the end of Dennis Allen, maybe even this week, maybe even after this game.

Am I crazy? I don't see it, not this week, but you're right. I thought about this game even before the season started. that this game who I mean it would just it would be the perfect time for Dennis Allen to really show who he is

and for the season to go high is going so far to start off so hot, start off 2 and O head us on a podcast talking about Super Bowls and this and to end up to go for you know lose four games in a row how they did in bizarre fashion

you know losing games they kind of should have won or could have won, and then just a depressing loss to the chiefs where you just don't look like you belong with the field, then you get ran out the building by the Tampa Bay Bucks and Baker Bay Field, and then to have this game against, you know, the former head coach, the guy who put Dennis Allen on the map and basically just look like a high school team. It, it's hard, it's hard for D.A. I don't see how. D.A. comes back from this one. Like, I don't see that. Right, right, because it's his defense. It's his defense. That's the, that's the thing. So for people that haven't been watching the Saints

each and every week, and yeah, if you're watching on YouTube, we appreciate y'all that the ones that came out tonight, you're the real fans. You're the real believers. It's probably a lot of the, probably a lot of your listeners. So I appreciate them. They love a tough night. And, and Broncos fans, by the way, we will give you your flowers. You're four and three. You've a well-coached team. This team that the Broncos have reminds me a little bit of those late period Sean Peyton Saints teams. Like, they're not going anywhere, but they're just too damn well-coached to lose more than

eight games. They'll probably end up winning nine games with ugly quarterback play. So we'll get to that. But in reality, just from a big picture NFL perspective, the story tonight is the Saints because this is a team. Yeah, we had you on after two weeks. I'm sorry. but actually we kind of had you on at the two perfect moments of the year

because it really shows how quick things can change. It was a moment where, you know, I think, right, I think you said all you needed was Kendra Miller to believe that you guys were a Super Bowl contender. You had Kendra Miller back tonight. What's up? Hey, man, we're just missing like eight other players, eight other starters. That's all.

Okay, okay, so there are a ton of injuries for the Saints, and that explains a lot of what's happening on offense. but on defense going into the game, they weren't that banged up on defense. They were normal banged up. And so this is the fourth straight game where they're giving up 25 points or more. That's the first time in Saints history.

Isn't that crazy? I'm surprised that that's true. But Dennis Allen, making that happen, 25 points, four weeks in a row. They give up 225 yards on the ground. So the last two weeks, they've given up about 500 yards rushing. There were moments in this game.

and yes, Paulson and Debo got hurt, and Marshawn Latimore got hurt. By then, the game was already over. You really feel for Adivo who got an aircast and had to go to a local hospital. And so that's tough. But you saw guys like ducking out of tackles. And Richard Sherman said it at halftime. It looked like a team that didn't want this to be their coach anymore, Adam. Like, we've heard this going back to last week against the bucks, right?

You had Sean Tucker who no one, even in fantasy football, knew who Sean Tucker was and he becomes NFL player of the week and copy and paste in the same stuff is happening this week against the Broncos with Sean Payton in the building and I just feel like you know you mentioned the Marshawn Lattermore getting injured thing like was he injured like at this point like I wonder if there are players on the team who just don't feel like they want to play for DA anymore and I want to drop like a little little little nugget that I just got texted as we're recording

I don't I'll say this I don't know how you can reasonably assess and evaluate Spencer Rattler with behind this line and with no receivers but it seems like the team may want to get a look at Jake Canner going into that next game against the Chargers

I'll just okay so Rattler left the game with about two minutes to go he was having his side checked out he got hit a bunch he ends up 25 for 35 for 72 yards. They obviously didn't score enough, you know, they didn't move the ball great against a good Broncos defense. He didn't look terrible. I mean, his top receivers are Cedric Wilson, Mason Tipton, Bubmeams, and they're missing two or three starting offensive linemen against

one of the best pastures in the league. And he got thrown around, but actually when he got a chance to throw the ball and he wasn't under pressure, he looked pretty good. He made a few plays with his Like, I mean, if you're looking at him versus Bo Knicks tonight, sorry, Brock was fans. It's not like you saw like a bunch of separation between those two quarterbacks. It was just absolutely everything else that was going on in this game. But yeah, it must a, I don't know, man. You guys seem a little too calm.

I don't know if you're just given like NFL Daily energy. Because if it was Saints, if it was Saints block party energy, like we'd be hearing, you know, Adam getting up, you know, up in the octaves and everything. I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's coming later, but I'll say this, bro, we're here. How does he have a job after tonight? He should not leave the building having a job. And this is not me. I'm not the one.

And I hear, well, you know, you're asking for DA to be fired. And what about like his family and they're going to have to switch like their school? Like, we're fans. Nope, they'll be fine. Like, at this point. the thing that Ryan and I have talked about is that since Dennis Allen has been hired, there has been a continual tear down of the culture that Sean Payton has built. A couple of days ago, Mickey Loomis goes on WWL and talks about, you know,

you have to look beyond the wins and losses and look beyond all this. And Bobby Abear is like, what are you talking about? Like, what, like, it felt delusional. And I know a lot of the heat's going to be put on Dennis Allen as it rightfully should. but like as you mentioned in the preview talking with Jordan Rodriguez, talking with Colleen Wolf, Mickey Loomis is like the big bad behind all of this because of the power that he wills because a lot of the decisions that he's made has led the Saints to be where they are. So even if they fired Dennis Allen, as a Saints fan, you just have to hope in luck in hope that

either Mickey Loomis goes into a higher role and that's non-football related or that he just lucks out and hires a head coach that has the football brains that can put him in check like the coach he did with Sean Payton that was across the film. How much higher can he get? He's like the owner. He's like essentially like an acting owner.

He reminds me of Pete Carroll in Seattle, who I always thought was as close to an acting owner after the death of their previous owner. I think there's some similarities here. I think Gail Benson's more involved. But I think Mickey Loomis, it's fair to say has about as much power as almost any executive or any non really like team precedent in the league because he's been there so long he's been

involved in multi you know he's been involved with the pelicans and stuff and Ryan you you push back at me on Twitter when I said like the question is to me is Mickey Loomis going to survive all this because Dennis Allen is his guy and there's there's a thought process that like he kept Dennis Allen because that's like a coach that's not going to push back on him that helps him keep that power and it and you were like No way is Mickey leaving, which is crazy because I think the rest of the league looks at this and probably thinks like, wow, this is a situation where it's finally maybe over. Yeah, you would think, you know, in a normal franchise, but not with the Saints.

And look, you're talking about Mickey Loomis. This is a guy that's in Gail Benson's will. You know, he would be the executive of a will if, you know, Dennis Lucian, the other president weren't there. Like, he, he's not going anywhere. Now, will he be the Saints? GM, you know, would he move on to some other role, you know, team director of sports engagement? Who knows? Like, just something besides running the football operations. And the thing

about, you know, having such a strong footing like he has, where's the accountability? Who holds him accountable? You know, I mean, we don't know how, we know Gil Benson is involved, but we don't know how much he hears from outside the buildings. She's so insulated with in New Orleans, you know, it's like, who's going to check Mickey Noomis? Well, she was there today because Drew Brees had a Hall of Fame luncheon, you know, where they officially put them into the Saints Hall of Fame and Sean Payton and a whole crew of X Saints. Joe Lombardi was there. Pete Cartmanichael.

All these guys that used to coach for the Saints, they kind of crashed the party. And Gail knew that it was there. He said that so the owner knew that he was going to come there. And it's, on one hand, it's kind of awkward if you're an outsider. On the other hand, it makes total sense. Those are the people that were there with Drew Breeze. And that's cool. It was fitting that Sean Payton was there tonight as bad of a game as it was.

It was supposed to be this great night in terms of celebrating Drew Breeze. But instead, it became a really crazy whiplash of a segment of this game. So let's go back to the end of the first half and talk about how that ended. At the time, it is, I believe, 16 to 3. And will the Saints get the ball back with 16 seconds left in the half? And they line up and they start playing some offense.

And I'm like, okay, I actually like this. You know, teams should do this more. Try to hit a shot down the field, take a timeout, get a field goal. But it doesn't work. They like run a screen. Alvin Camara gets absolutely blasted on a potential screen a couple of plays.

And then they're snapping the ball with nine seconds left. They throw another pass. There's four seconds left. The half is essentially over. You know, they got 70 yards to go. And they take a time out. And if you're watching, if you're watching on YouTube, you could see Spencer Rattler mouthing, what are we doing?

And that's what everyone in the building was saying, what are we doing? Because after that time out, where DA starts looking around as if he wasn't the one that took the time out, they just kneel on the ball. So they took a time out for everyone in the crowd to be like, what the hell to kneel on the ball? And then they kneel on the ball.

And the crowd just starts booing like crazy. And it's a low moment. They're booing like crazy. Cut to 10 minutes later. They do the ceremony for Breeze. It appears to get a really good reaction. Shout out to the Saints fans that were there. Let's actually listen to Drew Breeze doing his old war chant.

with the crowd. Here we go. One. Win. Three. Win. Win. Five.

Win. Seven. Win. Nine. Win. Win. Win. Win.

Win. Yeah. Shout out to Drew Breeze because him getting the crowd to get up like that in that moment. Now, I wasn't there, so I don't know how, how loud it was or whatever. That's one of the best examples of love that that crowd could ever show, because there was not many people in the mood for that. And from the sound of it, from the reporters there, a lot of people stayed for that ceremony. They yelled, and they were like, we out, we're out. It wasn't even that big a blah. It was 16-3, but they left. So that just shows you, Ryan, how much that city

loves Drew Breeze, that they did that in that scenario. What a crazy, like, just whiplash that was. Yeah, just the juxtaposition of like, you know, just those memories of with Drew Breeze, you know, all the winning that happened, you know, just a completely different time than we're in now. And it's like, here's reality, but one of my guys I follow on Twitter have been followed for a long time. He always, like after Drew Brees retired and we were complaining about James Winston

or something on Twitter. And he was like, shut up. Like, this is how the rest of us live. You know what I'm saying? Because he's like a Titans fan. I was like, that's a good point. Like, we've been so spoiled, you know, the last 15 years with Drew Brees, you know, and this is, this is how life is.

I mean, you don't have a franchise quarterback. It's hard to find a great coach. It's just a tough life, you know. But I'm hoping that, you know, Spencer Rattler becomes something. I do see talent there, you know, would he be? be like a franchise quarterback, too hard to say right now, too early to tell. It's too hard to evaluate them right now. But I think hopefully when the Saints do get a little more, a few injured players back,

you know, like Eric McCoy, Tazam Hill, some of the offensive line, McChrystal Lave, maybe you can start to evaluate Spencer Radler a little better. That's the most important thing for this season to me. Wow. Yeah, it's a good point. And since we last did a podcast, Rashidjaheed. is out for the season, which is just such a killer injury for the Saints. We found out later in the week that he was going to undergo surgery.

So that's worst case in there. And this is a receiver group going into the year that I thought after the top two was as thin as any in the league. And then you're missing your top two. Alave should return after that concussion. But the defense is really what gets you. And I'm looking up at my screen. We'll have to check out how this interview went later.

but Sean Payton is on the desk with the Amazon crew in the Superdome. And it's crazy. And, you know, Adam, your buddy, Nick Underhill wrote a great column this week. Wow. That, you know, that it's complicated with Sean Payton. That for fans of the Saints, that for Saints fans, it's like, you can feel however you want with Sean Peyton coming to town because that man did so much for you. But he also quit on the team.

And I think from an outsider, like from people that aren't Saints fans, they probably kind of forget that. That when Sean Payton retired, everyone thought he was quote unquote retiring, but it came out that he was quitting on them and he was trying, he was coaching the dolphins in his mind. He was coaching the Dolphins and Tom Brady was his quarterback. And he was quitting on the Saints in the middle pretty soon after he had negotiated a big payroll raise from the Saints like a year before that.

So he quit on them and he was going to the Dolphins. the NFL did not allow that. The Dolphins lost their first-round draft pick because of it. Tom Brady never went to this, you know, never went there. And it didn't happen. So there's still some feelings there. But for him to be laughing up with Bo Nix on the set with Richard Sherman, who was, man, who was saying Saints fans might be waiting for DA at his car after the game.

Man, look at a night. It's not all the fans, man. It is. I think Ryan hit it. And I feel like, okay, I know people who are Broncos fans are going to and listen and be like, why aren't you talking more about the Broncos? We're going to get to it. We're going to get to them.

We got time. We got time. But I just want to piggyback off of Ryan's point. The biggest question that the Saints need to like needs to have answered going into like next season is if they have somewhat of an answer quarterback in Spencer Rattler or if they need to draft a quarterback in the draft. So right now, but I know it's fake, but right now the Saints have the seventh overall picture. in the draft. That looks completely different from an organizational standpoint. If you feel like you have the guy in the building and you don't need to draft the quarterback at seven and draft another position of whatever, best player available, like very, if you're drafting that high,

as opposed to if you feel like you don't have the guy and you feel like you have to draft the guy at seven. So to me, that's the biggest question that they have to ask. Because I feel like If they can answer if he's the guy and he, like, it's back, whatever, whatever the guy is. I'm not saying franchise quarterback, but at least a good NFL starter for a certain number of years. Let's say even, let's say modern day Gino, right? If you feel like you have that in the building, no matter how the rest of the season goes, I feel like that's a win from our organizational standpoint. Yeah, but you're saying they may want to look at Hainer who threw a couple nice passes on that,

that garbage time drive and got a touchdown. we'll see. I mean, yeah, it's a long way to go. You're saying you're already talking about next season, and I get that, but you're not even close to halfway here. You got 10 more games to play, and the way this defense looked like they gave up

on Dennis Allen tonight, it just makes you wonder about decisions. You mentioned Lattimore and missed a lot of camp with that hamstring, and then he was out late in this game. There was a moment, and our friend Jordan Rodriguez pointed out to me like on that,

Broncos touchdown drive in the second half where guys aren't getting off their blocks, but guys aren't even like sticking their arms out to make no tackles. There was a play, and DeBario Davis also left this game with an injury, and he's the ultimate pro. He was, you know, not, he was like in the right gap, but did not give great effort on, on a potential tackle attempt on that drive either. And maybe he's fighting through an injury, but it's been tough to watch the last couple weeks and it just when it rains it poor is like Honey Badger has an interception on one of Bo Nix's worst throws go right in his bread basket at the end of the first half but he could have maybe had a long return maybe he was looking

up to see it and he just drops the thing and that's not not trying but that's just that's just bad and I don't know where it goes from here because they weren't getting any pressure on Bo Nix tonight and looked at the next-gen stats Bo Nix went O for four under pressure which is like man, that's rough. He didn't hit one pass under pressure. Then I was like, he only had four passes under pressure. What's up with that, Ryan? Like, your pass rush, man. Pass rush is bad. I don't want to hear anything about pressures

because I've been seeing stats that the Saints are, you know, have a certain level in pressures. No, they are not good at affecting the quarterback. Quarterbacks have a lot of time to throw the ball. Quarterbacks can run the ball. Anybody can run the ball against the Saints defense. been bad for a couple of years. Sean Tucker. Sean Tucker ran for almost 200 yards.

Like, what's going on? Well, yeah, Javante Williams tonight goes 14 for 88, two touchdowns on my daughter Ellis's fantasy bench. My son Walker was telling her before the game, put Javante Williams in. He had the scouting report on. He said this Saints defense isn't good. She didn't listen. Bownicks ran for almost like, what, 90?

He had like 83 the last time I checked. 75 yards. He ended up with all. along a 32, although that's a continuation of a trend. All right, we're going to take a quick break. Let's talk some Broncos on the other side. On move the sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team-building philosophies, coaching trends and how front offices construct winning rosters.

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Then they have Ravens and Chiefs in a row. But after that, they have the Raiders and the Browns. So those are three of the worst teams in the league that are coming up in your next five games. You're four and three. I think the way this Broncos team is now, worst case you're going two and three in those games. And right now you're kind of showing me, you're one of those teams that can beat the bad teams.

You probably will lose most to the average teams and you'll lose to the good teams. Like last week, Chargers, a real quarterback, a real defense, they didn't really stand up. Maybe they'll win some of those games. But you haven't played the Raiders and the Bronco and the Browns and the Panthers, they're pretty good situationally.

They're good on special teams. Like, this is the type of stuff that you guys talked about that Sean Payton could do, like real coaching. And, like, they're getting a running game going. Javante Williams, not last week, but a couple games before that,

like the two games before that, was running the ball pretty well. They're getting pretty good offensive line play. Bo Nix actually has the fourth most value of any quarterback in terms of rushing in the NFL. Adam's making a face. at me. Listen.

I mean, he's dead last in EPA per dropback. Like, dead last. Okay. Any quarterback. Yes, okay. He's giving you some rushing value. He's not throwing the ball too well. I'm just saying, a offense that doesn't make too many mistakes and a defense that

travels that plays bigger than the sum of their parts that rushes the pass real well. Like, man, they're going to hit that over for whatever their win total was. It was like five and a half. They're going to get to eight or nine wins this year. Smash it. Yeah. Listen. Listen, I think people, and I feel like as a football fan as I've gotten older, you really start to realize how important coaching is, like, especially in football, especially in the NFL.

And I don't think like the Broncos doesn't strike me as a team that is going to go far, but it has the parts where they should at least maybe be frisky and be a wow card team. And then once you get into the dance, like, who knows what happens? Like, I was aghast by some of the passes that Bo Nix was throwing, like, especially if you go back to their first drive and, like, on that play, there was two wide open Denver players. That was rough. It was, but so, like, what is their ceiling? Like you said, eight to nine wins. But at least as a Broncos fan, you know what Sean Payton, you were going to get a well-coached team and a cycle path.

And I mean this, and I mean this as a term in endearment that looks every, it looks into every way. an advantage of how I can help my team win. Special teams, defense, offense, who are the reps that are calling this game? What are their tendencies and how they call the game? Just really minute things that

comes with being a great head coach. And I feel like as a Broncos fan, you can't ask for more. And I feel, and I also feel like Broncos fans, there may be like Broncos fans who are not big fans of Sean Payton as a head coach. Which, that seems to be

like very prevalent but there aren't many people that approach the game and approach game day like he does right Ryan you you guys were kind of leading the brigade about DA last year not too happy with them then they start out two and no people asking for apologies from y'all um is there anything you'd like to say to them now I have no apologies look we we went to this season for the saints like look, show me, show me, talk all the talk this all season about, oh, we're going to execute better, you know, is, you know, we got a new scheme coming in. We got Clint Kubiak coming there. We're going to make it easy on Derek call. We're going to run the ball, blah, blah, blah,

blah, blah. Show me. And first of the weeks they did show us. They were like, okay, I'm just like, okay, that's interesting. But it was a week to week proposition. And they continue to show us they are who we thought they were, you know what I'm saying? RIP did it's green. And this just is what it is. And Sean Payton, they're not letting them off the hook. I mean, they are not. It's crazy, though. I know the NFL is like a week-to-week league and everything.

And, yeah, we're getting some comments from the YouTubers. I think some of your listeners are watching here. Ryan and Adam would like to apologize to absolutely no one. And, yeah, Sean Payton's not apologizing for this one either. I bet this felt so good for him. Oh, yes. Yes, he loved it. Right.

He wanted, I'd say he did not want to love it. let the Atlanta touchdown. He did not want to You know it, bro. You know it. He's sick about it. He's sick that they scored a touchdown in this game. I can guarantee you he is. Although let's actually listen to the Broncos last touchdown. We're going to listen to the Saints

Radio Network call of it. This is late in the game. Poor Spencer Rattler just getting hit. Second and ten as Rattler is in trouble again as that ball comes up in the air. That's going to be an interception. And that is going to be a touchdown going the other way.

for Cody Barton as Rattler was hit, ball popped up in the air like a piece of cotton candy for Cody Barton, just floating in the air and he took it the other direction. Oh, that is sad Mike Haas there on WWL. Yeah, that score, it was 33 to 3 at that moment. And you've got to give this Broncos defense some credit. Vance Joseph, one of the best things Sean Payton did, when he took that job.

Vance Joseph back in the building after he was a head coach doing a fantastic job, just blitzing and blitzing and blitzing. And this pass rush, they really got something going now. They brought Baron Browning back tonight was probably their best pure pass rusher

from an injury, so he played for the first time all year. Nick Benito, who's like a pass rush specialist, has a sack now in five straight games, which is wild. Zach Allen is playing at an all-pro level. Patrick Sartan,

out for this game is playing at an all pro level. Riley Moss is going to be inspiring white kids across the country to start playing cornerback again because they're out there hitting. That was what really struck me tonight. You got to admit like Saints were catching the ball and man, they were just on them and they were hitting. So this is a, this is a defense with an attitude, man. I like watching most. I really, I like them coming out. And I think overall, man, Like I was telling a buddy of mine who's a different Brockwoods fan, he was really down on Sean Payton. One thing Sean Payton is going to do is he is going to try to get the best out of his guys. And, you know, even when you look at the defense coordinator, last year after they allowed like 70 points, everybody wanted him running out the building, Sean was going to stick with him.

And Sean loved, like, he looked at who he's had in the past, like Greg Williams, those guys. He loves the blitz. He loves to put pressure on the quarterback, but any means necessary. So he's going to have his defensive coordinator to bring that heat. And it seems like in today's NFL, the Blitz is working. Like it's the days of where you can just beat the Blitz. Some reason, for some reason, I'm trying to figure it out. Quarterback's just not beating the Blitz.

Yeah, I know. That's what I think. Yeah, absolutely. Some people in the comments getting on us for picking on Nix. And I'm just thinking, I'm looking at these NICs stats. It was actually over five under pressure. So there was one more pressure. Did they watch the game, Greg?

Did they watch the game? I know because that interception that he should have thrown to Matthew, some of the throws early. Here's the telling stat from Knicks tonight. And they've really done a good job coaching around him. It's tricky.

I actually think this team would be better with Jared Stidham. I really do. They are, when he held the ball over two and a half seconds tonight, so those are more like in-rhythm throws or trying to get to the second read and Kirk Herbstree was hammering this point on the broadcast.

Like he cannot get past his first read. he was 10 for 19 for 5 yards per attempt negative 20% completion percentage over expected and that's what you see all year long in terms of completion like he's just for a guy that needs to win you think of a guy that's not crazy arm talent that you got to win from the pocket but he doesn't stay in the pocket and he's not really good at like throwing on the move like he doesn't have the arm strength for that. So it's a bad combination. He's great at scrambling. He's literally been one of the best scrambling quarterbacks in the league this year. But other than hitting those little short seven yarders on your first read and scrambling, he's not hitting anything else. And that's, it's hard

to run. Eric Wilkinson says, it's just ridiculous. It's like the kid is the punching bag of every talking head. He's literally playing better than Elway at the same point of his career talking about That sounds like Mickey Loomis talking about DA being like Chuck Knoll. Like what do we? Oh, wait, when he was reading off the records, because I want to update that actually. Dennis Allen is now 26 and 51. Yes, thank you. For his career, 18 and 23 with the Saints, which isn't as bad, but it's not.

So that means if you were to double his wins, he would be one game above 500 in his NFL coaching career. If Dennis Allen's name was Dennis Jackson, would he still have a job? No. Go, go, absolutely. So wait, if Dennis Allen won 10 straight to finish the season and then three playoff games, that's 13 wins. So if they won the Super Bowl

and then they started out next year 13 and 0, then he would be above 5. Won the Super Bowl without a loss. This is dark. Here's the crazy thing when you're talking about Bo Nix. And I'm not saying this like as a certainty, but I believe if you were to like switch Spencer Rattler and Bo Nix and he was the Denver quarterback, I think football fans and football media would think about the Broncos a little differently, just a little bit if he was a quarterback rather than Bo Nix. Yeah, I agree. Nick hasn't shown enough consistently as a passer. So Broncos fans want to give him a ton of credit for winning. Like, y'all been down that road before.

It was a man named Tim Tebow that we had this argument about who gets the credit for the wins, the quarterback or the team? Because people were telling us that you had just some magic sauce. All right. I don't want to hold you any longer. You guys are taping a Saints Block Party podcast later tonight, right? Right after that. And you're in Mobile, right, Ryan?

Yeah, yeah, yep. It's what, almost 11 o'clock, but I'm ready to go. Okay. You know, after seeing how those. UK folks do it where they're doing their post game shows at like one in the morning or the primetime games ending at 4.30 in the morning.

That's crazy. I was like, okay, this is light work for you, but it's, this is one of the great reasons to live on the West Coast. That is true. Adam feels like that. That is very true. All right. I appreciate everyone who tuned in to the live stream. Appreciate everyone who listened to the podcast

all week long. We will be back on Friday. I have my pick show with Cynthia Freeland, and then, of course, our Sunday night recap. Adam, Ryan, thank you. Appreciate you guys. Peace. See you next time.

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