NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Browns Sign Kareem Hunt; Who is the NFLs Next Dynasty?

Episode Date: February 12, 2019

A room filled with some heroes- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, and Chris Wesseling are joined by Dave Dameshek to bring you all the news around the NFL including Kareem Hunt signing with the Browns (9:10), Kyler Murray announces to declare for the NFL draft (15:01) and the AAFs big opening weekend (21:36). Assuming the Patriots are out, who is the NFL’s next dynasty and which teams are in danger of taking a dirt nap after an extended run of title contention? (34:40)Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Chris Wesley to my left, Greg Rosenthal, to my right. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. Are you forgetting someone? I mean, when you are a special guest of the pod, you get the separation introduction. And the man, the embryonic stages of this very podcast, it began. I thought you were going to introduce the six-time champion.

I don't know. All right, I guess. It's cool to have six. Yes, you know the voice. It's unmistakable. That's Dave Damashek of the Dave Damashik football program. He is sitting in the Sessler chair this week, are on Monday.

Sessler is away with the family. Dave. Thanks for rejoining us on the show. Hans Zeus, the boss, Wes. What a pleasure to see you. Rick behind the glass. Happy belated birthday. Thank you.

Are you okay with Rick? I mean, I got it. Ricky Hollywood. Yeah, I like that better. A little bit. Rick Hollywood, who celebrated her 20-somethingth birthday. 27, baby. I don't know when women, when it becomes a,

thing where you've got to be careful. I'm still young. 27's fine. You were aware of the 27. It's fine. It's teetering on the edge of over the hill, but it's fine. The reason she corrected me is just like, I don't want people to think I'm 29. Is that why you're like 20 something?

And I'm like, no, no, no, just newly 27. 27's very good. Is she in her mid or her late 20s? That's the real question. I think we know the answer. Now it's late. 27 has proven to be the prime year for sports careers. That is the prime.

Hot. And I have to say, in my personal experience, in life. I only started to figure out how to, like, have some fun in my 20s when I got around 27 when I wasn't, I wasn't, I was less of a wreck. It was a bit of a mess from like 20 to 26. 27, I started figuring out a little bit. I think, but you seem to have already figured things out.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I know how to find. You have like four different nicknames. So it's like. Yeah. But also if I, this is like really morbid, but if I don't die this year and I'm not in the 27 club, then that means I'm just like a loser.

So either way you win. You win by staying a lot. True, true. But I guess you guys are all here. That's the game. Stay a lot. Can you name anyone in the 27 club? Amy Winehouse, Kurt Cobain,

Jim Morrison. Nice. Chanish Toppa. I think, yeah, and there's a third one. And there's a third one from that era. Hendricks? Jimmy Hendricks. Jimmy Hendricks.

Yeah. Right. But think of it this way. As one of my pals always points out, you have six years until your Jesus' age. After that, it starts. getting embarrassing. Look at all that Jesus did at 33 before he went out.

Like, now I'm so far past that this, my life has been an embarrassment. You never had a Fish's and Loves moment? No, no, I didn't. Not yet. Not yet. And Ricky had a big party on Friday in West Hollywood. For me, and I know you didn't take offense to it, never was on my radar. Once the weekend hits in February after the Super Bowl, I'm locked into dad mode.

Yeah. But apparently, West, who doesn't have kids yet, I've already laid out your schedule for your life, which I've been on track with. your marriage, your engagement, your marriage, and you're going to have a kid by next May as well. So you need to knock all this stuff out. So you were in West Hollywood, maybe the oldest man in the bar, let's be honest. There's no doubt.

Like, one woman claimed to be the oldest person at the party, and she was at least a dozen years younger. She was 33. She was at that Jesus age, and I'm turning 45 in a week. Yeah, that was, I texted just, I'm too old for this. You don't want me, you don't want me ruining the party. I called the bar, and they said I was too old to get in, and I said, that's weird because it's my friend's house.

And then he was like, oh. I was like, that's even worse. You know what? I've never noticed about West, but with the white beard now in, and it is just about fully white, plus you have the bald head, you are in a nice spot, which is that you're sort of like Sparky Anderson or Jim Leland or what's her name, Angela Lansberry, who at a certain age, it just leveled,

and they stayed that age for the next 40. years. Do you know what I call that? The Steve Martin All-Stars. The Steve what? Steve Martin. Oh, the Steve Martin All-Star. Yeah, exactly, right.

There's no, yeah, I'm totally with you. Look at Wes. Well, my fiance informed me as I was going through chemo that I might be the only person who got better looking through cancer. Isn't that sweet? You found the one. That's great. You found the one with that one.

Yeah. So Sheck's with us. Dave Damashik football program. He's also part of the Adam Kroll universe. I lose track of all the projects you have cooking, but you have good sports over there. That's right. And then you have your. Your buddy Feeney?

Correct. That is called... Dave's of Thunder. Dave's of Thunder. Good sports is on Adam Carolla show daily, and yes, the Dave Damashek football program. Before I even met Shook, a couple of my friends from, like, high school and growing up in the neighborhood. I mean, Sheck. Before I met Sheck, a couple of guys from my neighborhood were huge Dave's of Thunder fans, and I had never even heard of Sheck.

So, I mean, that podcast has been a hit for a long time. Feeney is a great yin to Shex's yang. I've said that to Sheck. It's great to hear two buddies. and Feeney kind of keeps check in order a little bit, which I've tried to do. It's impossible. Nobody can keep check in order.

Feeney seems to keep you a little bit reined in. But the boss does to Jezelnik. Same dynamic on his show, right? Vice versa. You respect him. You respect Feeney, but you don't respect us to keep you in line? I don't even know what that's the first of all. That's a great. That's everything.

Yeah, my Patriots beat the Steelers. You can't talk. I own you. All right. A lot to get to today. Speaking of those Patriots, those damn Patriots, at some point the Patriots dynasty will end. And if it does, I'm not saying when. If it does, who would be most likely in the NFL to be the next dynasty?

Because we go through the years, Sheck, and you know this well. You had the Packers. You had your Steelers. You had the Cowboys. You had the Cowboys again. Are we going to give them the second dynasty? Definitely. In the 90s?

Oh, certainly. I mean, as a matter of fact, had Jimmy and Jimmy and. Jerry not had their falling out. I think we would regard that as the greatest dynasty of the Super Bowl era. I mean, I guess with the Patriots now, notwithstanding. But up until that point, the 20th century, yeah, I think that would definitely is a little bit underrated as we look back on how dominant that early 90s Cowboys team was. That's true.

And of course, now the Pats in the 21st century, who will be next? There will be someone, maybe someone other than the Patriots. We'll talk about which teams that could be. and also on the other side of it, some teams that have been competitive. A lot of this I brought up just to talk about the Steelers. Teams that have been competitive for many years that maybe now are in danger of falling off the cliff

taking a relevance dirt nap. I'll put it that way. What are some teams out there? And you think the Steelers might be one of the team. They came to mind and I figured, oh, Shaq's here. Maybe if we talk about that, we'll see where Shaq falls on that. I'm in.

Nothing personal. But before that. So we are going to talk about them. before we do that though let's catch up on the news we're here tonight with music's most valuable players to present a very super award best pop duo or group performance see great they get julian edelman there and they put it in the prompter most valuable musicians super there you go super ball MVP. I mean, it's one of the great exciting part of winning the Super Bowl as you get to

go present on the Grammys five days later. It does seem to happen. I think that's like the second time Edelman's been there. I feel like. You're right. And you get to, you know, I devirred Julia. They're like, who else is hot we can pair him with? Okay, McCordy, we'll do that. That was a little weird. But, you know, DVR. Why is that weird? He's had a better career than Edelman. It's fine. Julian Edelman

on Ellen. I got that on the DVR. I put one of those save until delete status because when they shave that beard, that's great. What fun that was? You weren't tracking Julian Edelman? I'm just surprised you put, I didn't know he was on Ellen, but I am surprised that you put save until I delete on that show.

I just loved it so much. Can't get enough of it. I mean, I did receive those t-shirts finally today from the Edelman, so I like that. That was nice. That's very nice of them. It's great. Sorry, you didn't feel the same way.

I didn't. I threw it in the trash and then pour Diet Coke all over it. But, you know, I'm just done with the Patriots. Is that right? You really spoiled him. I did. So that he couldn't go dumpster diving. Not mine.

His own. But yeah, he did it and then put it. But it wasn't just like a personal satisfaction. He wanted to let the world know. So he sent it out on it. Some people just like to watch the world burn. That's where I'm at emotionally. All right.

Let's start with the Cleveland Browns. Always in the news. uh it seems now and a big big signing uh on monday kareem hunt is going to get a second chance uh at his NFL career with the Browns who announced Monday they're signing the free agent running back hunt the 2017 rushing leader uh was cut abruptly in late November after a video surfaced of the running back shoving and kicking a woman during a February 2018 incident at a Cleveland Hotel should be added here. The league has yet to finish the investigation into Hunt's investigation.

Rapsheet reported Hunt is facing a baseline six-game suspension. So you knew he was going to probably land somewhere just because he's too good and he's too young and that's just the way this business works. And all businesses, really, by the way. I don't think, you know, if you're really good at what you do, you tend to get second chances even if maybe you don't deserve one. But, Sheck, the Browns are the team that decide to go all in. Your initial thoughts on the signing.

As we were talking just before we got going here, the NFL, as you say, all businesses, it is representative and a reflection of any other industry. And Dorsey has an existing relationship with Kareem Hunt. I think that's the key detail there for him to be able to say, I believe in this guy because I have known him for a number of years. It's self-validating as much as it is a fitting of personnel need that I don't even think that the Browns needed to have overarching.

the initial feedback is not necessarily great. But my main reaction from a football standpoint is, is this something you had to do? If you didn't know the kid, you probably wouldn't have done it, Dorsey. I mean, they didn't have to roster-wise. That's what I'm saying. They have Nick Chubb who, PFF, Adam,

is one of the top four or five just pure runners in the NFL last year. And at the very least, he looks like a really good starting running back. Duke Johnson's on the roster. but you're right that they know Hunt and like it's a cold-blooded business that he was going to be back in the league whether you like it or not because of where he was in his career and partly because of the reputation that he had in Kansas City with the people that he worked with that they experienced Kareem Hunt as a guy that they saw as a core player that they were going to build around that was like a leader for their team and so I think the way football all people like Dorsey think is he made this mistake. He's made all the steps since then as good as possible. And I know him.

I'm going to give him a job. Well, I think most of us agree that people should get second chances. And I think that we gain understanding of ourselves and others through mistakes and setbacks and difficulties and looking in the mirror and showing remorse. And I don't know. He's being investigated for three different things by the NFL. So this doesn't seem like a one-time thing to me. On the other hand, John Dorsey's,

statement said we've done our due diligence. This is a man who's shown remorse. He's gone to programs to help him with his anger management. He has done the work. I guess I have to take John Dorsey at his word, that this guy's worth a second chance he's worth. He knows Kareem Hunt a lot more than I do, but the fact that they're investigating three different scenarios with him does not leave a good taste.

It's a more talented roster on Monday afternoon than it was Monday morning. So from that standpoint, I get it. The Chub thing is interesting because if you had a glaring hole at running back, I would, that would make me think, all right, I'm going to roll the dice here and hopefully this doesn't blow up my face. With the Browns, though, they seem pretty well set up at the position. I don't quite get the risk, but he is a stud player. I think in their mind there is almost no risk because they're willing to live,

like obviously they don't want anything to happen off the field again. But I think in their cold-blooded calculation, they think we're barely investing in this guy, you know, money. What is it a million bucks, I think? Yeah, he's on a rookie contract. I mean, they don't have to pay him almost anything, and he's awesome. I mean, he's awesome at playing NFL football. So there's almost no risk when it comes to that, and then they accept whatever risk it is that he might get them in trouble. You know what?

I hate to get up on Mount Pius, and I hate to damn with faint praise, but it is worth. taking a second that in the middle of the hottest team in the AFC, the Kansas City Chiefs, right in the middle of what looked like a championship run for them this past season, that they said, they made the very hard decision that you say, yep, goodbye, we're not going to have that in our organization. I think there to be hailed. While everybody today is busy saying, Tis, Tis, Tis, Browns, not enough praise for the chiefs in that moment doing a, making a big move like that.

Well, Shaq, the last time you were on this show, we talked about, Antonio Brown and the fact that there are teams in the NFL who would not want him on their roster period. But John Dorsey's sort of the flip side of that. This is a guy who drafted Tyreek Hill, Demetrius Harris in Kansas City. He drafted Caleb Brantley and Antonio Calloway last year with the Browns. He's going to take chances on guys who have bad reputation. And I think the Chiefs, to their credit, also were thinking, we're in the middle of a chance to win a Super Bowl here, and they didn't want it being part of the whole story that they had to deal with. I mean, it kind of

save them the trouble of having to deal with all of that. Let's move on. Kyler Murray, quarterback drafted ninth overall by the Oakland A's in the MLB draft last year, played his senior year. He's a quarterback at Oklahoma, wins the heisman, and all of a sudden he has a decision to make, and he has now decided officially that he's all about football on his social media on Monday. He announced that, quote, moving forward, I am firmly and fully committed.

my life and time to becoming an NFL quarterback. So he's working out with trainers, getting that football body going for the combine. So add another big name check to the quarterback ranks. I'm already seeing a report out there that the Giants think his hands are too small. It is that time of year. But enter Kyler Murray into the mix, Heisman Trophy winner. I think that, listen, he's very small. I know that we got over, I think, as a society now, we've gotten over.

that you can be six feet and still be a capable NFL quarterback. What's he at? Five-nine-ish or close to five-ten. People say he levels right at five-10. Why is the weight that's he's 180 pounds compared to like Baker, Mayfield, and Russell Wilson being in the 215 to 220 range. I still don't even buy Mike Vic as a six-footer. I've stood next to the guy, but I mean, the, you know, the arm.

It's recorded on my Instagram forever. The wheels. I like him as a fit for a team that needs, that has a crummy offensive line. in the short term, at least. You drop him behind there. That can negate. Those guys who can run away from pressure for the first couple, few years of their career,

I think he's fine as an NFL guy. And I talk about this time of the year, Hansus, this is the time of the year where we have to indulge this. I don't know if Kyler, if he's a first-round draft pick. He's going to be a first-round draft pick. Let's stop the nonsense. Of course, he's going to be a first-round pick.

He would be the first guy ever. Denver would be a great spot for that guy with that defense. He's the first, if it happens, he'd be the first ever drafted in the first round of MLB and NFL in the same year, which is pretty amazing, speaks to his athleticism. And as a Jets fan, Jets pick and third, I want as many quarterbacks in this mix because for the first time and forever, we're not looking for a quarterback. So if anybody wants to trade up as a team that has a lot of roster deficiency, come on up to the third pick. Go get Kyler-Mur if you want. Well, Rapsheets said when he talked to people in early December, they were saying second. or third round.

When he talked to them, you know, a day or two ago, now they're thinking late first round, but like Shaq said, with quarterbacks, they always fly up the board. Christian Ponder went in the top 10. Right. I mean, there were different points early on when, you know, like October, December,

where RG3 wasn't necessarily a first round pick, where I'm trying to think of, Carson Wentz, when Jeremiah put him in the top 10 in his first mock draft, he were like, what? And he ends up going number two. What were people like? It always happens.

It always happens like that. Blake Bordle. It is a pretty... It turns out Blake was a reach. It is a pretty big, unique... It is a unique decision, though, to give back $4.5 million, which is what he's doing. He's giving back $1.3, which he already got, and he was about to get another three. So he's making that bet, and history says it's actually...

People try to make the debate, like, which is better? First of all, you should do whatever you love and do whatever you want to do. But financially, like, being an NFL quarterback is much safer. than going into baseball anyways. Of course, because look at Drew Henson, former Michigan quarterback who split time with Tom Brady and who was, from the time I've been watching sports, the golden boy of college athletes.

Like nobody was a more hyped two sports star than Drew Henson and made it to the majors for a cup of coffee and barely ever made any money as a Major League Baseball player, even though people were, he was a top 10 prospect for the Yankees. And this Murray News is going to lead to changes to MLB because what happens is the MLB teams don't get a chance to really compete with what the NFL can offer and what's going to cost the A is a top 10 pick, which is obviously it's not as glowing as it is in the NFL because you get drafted in the NFL and you're in the league and making an impact immediately.

Baseball takes a couple of years, but still, there is, I think, a rule change on the table already that would allow MLB teams to hand out actual competitive contracts to these kids that get drafted. it would be the Kyler Murray rule. Last half full for the athletics, though. It's not like history doesn't have a lot of evidence of guys saying like, okay, I've mastered this sport. You still have my rights, right? I'll show up at the training.

I'll see you in 2020. Or he says, he flames out. Right, right. He says, I'm not good at football. I mean, there's not that many of these players anyways. I mean, how often does this have, Jeff Samarja? Yep. I mean, that was like the last one I can think of at this level.

What about the guy that got lost on the American flag, one. Brandon Whedon? Brandon. Elway, Chas Ward, Brian Jordan. Bo, Dion. Yes, of course.

He's the one people forget about it. He was good at both. He was good. That's right. Brian Jordan. How about Tom Brady? Catcher. Ricky.

Montreal. Toronto drafted him. Danny Ains played both. Yeah, I remember like maybe it was like three or four Super Bowls ago when they were already out of stuff to talk about the Patriots. Like, you know, Tom Brady could have been a baseball player. I mean. A six-foot-four catcher?

We've covered every possible angle of the Tom Brady Patriots. Everything's been covered. I'm fine just like not covering them. Can I say one? Here's a hot take for you if you want me to say one more thing. I feel like the last three months, the last two months even, have in the ongoing debate that has raged in society, not like since nature versus nurture, Belichick or Brady, I think it now is fairly clear. It's more Belichick than Brady, right? It's like 65-35 now.

I don't think that at all. I don't think that at all either, but I do agree that it was a great Super Bowl for Belichick. I did think about that. It's like, Grady's had some and Belichick had some. And last year we're having the exact opposite conversation. Exactly, exactly. Eric Reed, he's sticking around with the Panthers.

He signs a three-year deal worth $22 million, the safety who was at a football, and then signed in September with Carolina. He was connected, of course, with Colin. Kaepernick kneeling for the National Anthem to protest police brutality and racial injustice. He gets a job with the Panthers and the Panthers keep him around because as soon as he stepped in the lineup, Greg, he was every down guy for them. Yeah, he was rock solid.

It shows that like a lot of people gave David Tepper the owner who seemed to push this through a lot of credit for, you know, standing up and signing him and doing kind of the right thing, which it was. But it was just a smart business move. Now they got him locked in. He helped out for very little money, and it worked out for both sides that now he's going to be their safety for a long time.

He's an NFL starter. Let's talk about the AAF guys. Opening weekend, it's the American Alliance of Football. I believe that's what it stands for. Worst thing about it so far, right? It's the name of the... A lot of people are just calling it the Alliance. I think it's just now the Alliance.

People are into that. My Twitter mentions were kind of inundated with people asking my takes on VALANF. various players and teams. And I have to say I'm, well, I host an NFL podcast. I'm not going to say I'm burnt down on football. But I don't need to invest myself in a second league a week after the Super Bowl. So I stayed away.

But there were some big headlines that came out of it. And already the league does feel, West, that just from somebody that's from an outsider that's not digging in, but it already seems to have more positive buzz than, say, the XFL ever did. I can't go as far back to the old, what was the Trump League? USFL. I can't go that far back, but judging off XFL, I feel like the alliance is already in better shape after one week. Well, it does seem like people are more positive about it. What I think history tells us about all these leagues is the things to pay attention to are potential rule change is not really the players. Like, where did the two-point conversion come from the WFL? They had an action

point. Check might be old enough to remember the Dickerod, which was a first down change. It was named after a guy named George Dicker. He came up with a chain that was about two and a half yards long, but the way it worked, it was just as accurate. It was called a Dicker Rod. It was called a Dicker Rod. Okay. I remember the fumble rusky, but not a dicker. Did they have to bleep that out when it was on the telecast? No, they showed it. So the Dicker Rod never really caught on. You know, replay review came from the USFL. Like, these are things. And even coaches, you'll see more coaches cross boundaries over to the NFL, but you won't see as, I don't think you'll see as many players who are going to make an impact in the NFL. Christian Hackenberg was a total nightmare in his debut.

So, again, doesn't look like it was the right move by Mike McCagnan to draft him in the second round. Trent Richardson had two touchdowns, but averaged about a yard and a half to two yards to carry in a win for his team. Anything else, Greg? I mean, you were a little plugged in. Not too plugged in in terms of watching, but even Super Bowl week, I had come to the same conclusion that you just said, that this is more of a thing. The alliance is more of a thing. It's more respected. It's catching on more.

And it just seems better run with everything behind the scenes and hiring and everything. Then, for instance, the UFL. I don't know if you guys remember that. Oh, yes. We cover the crap out of that at Pro Football Talk. Like, we thought that was going to be a thing. Or the XFL. It was also on NBC, right?

Wasn't NBC? Didn't own PFT? Yeah, but I didn't know in the UFL. Yeah, the UFL, not the XFL, the United Football League, which did not last long, which I feel like Mike. Not the Jaws League. Jaws was an owner with Bob Covey. That's the Arena League.

He's still in the mix there. I'm in the weeds a little bit. This was like 2000. This was the one that Josh McCown play. Right. This was like 2009. But similar that the NFL was looking at it as a possible developmental league. And you mentioned, you know, Dan, how they're showing it on NFL Network.

That's a big deal. And I think people want a developmental league. And the appetite from fans being so into it is telling five days after the season that they're already kind of getting into this goofy new league where Steve Spur. Who doesn't like seeing Steve Spurrie or going. up and down the field on Mike Martz. That's right. The XFL was all about novelty. People rejoiced about a

40 to 6th, eat it, Martz. The chase to the center of the field to see who got the ball first in the XFL. But that's all Holcomb that wears off quickly. The brilliant move, the first brilliant move they made was starting at the week immediately after football while it's still at the tip of your brain. I get the

hands use effect of, I just ate. This is a good time to go to the grocery store so I don't buy junk. But this is football. And that is an essential food stuff that is a part of all our diets. One, two, the CFL missed its chance. I said for years, they need to go with the NFL rules. I don't care what your rules are. What you want is to become the feeder to the NFL.

Too bad, CFL. Now it belongs to the alliance. The uniforms look good. The U.S.FL does great relatively. Yeah, in Canada. It could be even more relevant if they listened to Damashek. Two, the U.S.FL was a great league. Don't lump it in with dumb XFL or WFL or UFL.

That was a legit league. And I do think, Wes, that you're absolutely right to be cynical about what we saw in terms of talent now. But if they could just take it nice and steady, by year two, there will be more talent in there. I think the tough thing that Trump wanted to do that ultimately scuttled the USFL was to put it up against the NFL. It's a little too soon, but what you want it to be is a feeder league.

So therefore, you need it to start, let's say, six to eight weeks before the NFL season kicks off, ultimately. But I, you know. The NFL's for it. And I think a lot of people in the NFL also see it like, well, there's more jobs. I mean, there's more personnel jobs. There's more coaching jobs. And I think there's so many people in the NFL that want a developmental league kind of badly.

And they don't need to even, it's their own developmental league, essentially, and they don't have to pay a dime. And they are so, they show no fear in it. We'll put it on our own network. We'll promote it. We want it to be successful because we know. it's not a real threat. It's perfect.

Real quick, the two rules that I think you should keep an eye on, the viewers can hear the conversation between the official and the people in the league office during a replay review. That's pretty cool. And secondly, there are no on-site kicks,

but after you score, you can choose to take the ball at your own 28-yard line and you must get a 12-yard gain. There's a lot going on. You kind of can't blitz, which I need to dig in more, but they have a lot of defensive rules

where it's almost... There's a maximum of you can't have. more than five rushers, I think. Right, yeah, yeah. So it's like, I don't know. I think it could be fun. And it rated, for what it's worth, higher than the NBA. Let's watch the next two weeks and see where those ratings are.

But yeah, no, I think that's a fair point. One other thing very quickly is, over the last few months I've come to realize that, as I used to always say, that in a world of seven billion people, how can't we find 32 people to play quarterback effectively in the NFL? I think we now are just about saturated with starters in the NFL. I mean that in a good way. There are only like five teams that you rightly can point at and say, boy, they better fix that QB thing.

And I think we're about to have an overflow with the college kids coming in. This will be a good place to send them. Hey, go get your reps, kids. They're starting Hackenberg and Berkavich. He's telling you. That was Wes's old guy, Berkavich. He took a tough blindside hit. Mart's really needed.

By the way, Hakenberg beat out. Mettenberger in camp. It looks like Metenberger is probably going to get a week two start. I am not joking when I say that. All right, let's move on to Headlock Watch. Let's get ready to rumble. Oh, my New York Jets, they are going all in on what I call the George Costanza opposite theory. Do everything the opposite of what they think they should do,

which is building a staff of people who hate each other. And seeing what happens. So, yes, Wes, you called it Headlock Watch last week. And here we are the Jets now. In addition to hiring Greg Williams and teaming him with Adam Gase, which is volcanic. That's a good way to put. They also hire Greg Williams' son, Blake,

who rubs some people the wrong way and has never had a coaching job at this level when his dad wasn't involved. They had now added to the staff. Joe Vitt. Who's Joe Vitt? You remember Joe Vitt. Joe Vitt was a football lifer.

He was on that Saints team that was implicated in the 2012 Bountygate scandal. And in the ensuing hearings, conducted by Tags, Pauly Tags, you remember that? They had Pauly Tags running the hearings. What a time that was. Vitt accused Greg Williams of lying in his testimony. Vitt also said players didn't take Williams, who is now the defensive coordinator of Jets and his colleague. Players didn't take him seriously because of his, quote, false bravado and quote

schick Williams was then I assume part of Vitt's testimony implicating Williams led to him being suspended definitely which ended up being

an 11 month band and Vitt who was suspended six games after Bounty Gate anyway they're all together now in the same floor and park facility

Wes let's go ready to Rumble for the first time since I've known you for the first time in this podcast Like, I care about the Jets. Like, I want more Jets news, not less Jets news.

You're going to get it. Enjoy Antonio Brown and Levy and Bell. They're really going to complete this delicious Sunday. By the way, I don't, yeah, I don't buy into that West. Wait, did you even mention my favorite twist of all of this? Yes. Which is Joe Vitt is Adam Gase's father-in-law. Why not?

Like, I don't know what that really means for everything, but it's just, it makes for like another fun episode in this drama when like, you know, the daughter comes home. She's not happy with the dad. Like, can I fire her dad? It's all thing. Oh, it's a delicious dude. Are they now the number one choice for hard knocks amongst this room?

They, I would love to see him on again. No, I can't have Greg Williams on again. He has to be. I've had it. It's a rule. He says bad words. It's so hilarious. Joe Vett's awesome, though.

You mentioned how he came back. He was suspended 16. That reminded me. Do you remember he was the co-com? that year with Aaron Kromer that they had, they didn't have a head coach. They had two head coaches. Was that with the do your job signed in the facility with the Sean, yeah, giant face on the practice field ball?

It was like, Joe, put my poster as large as you can, watching over. I said at least the Jets can look at it this way. I used to have a theory, Joe Vitch should be the permanent interim head coach because he did a very entertaining job with the Rams in the mid-2000s. And then he did a credible fun press conference. his job with the Saints, and he should just be like an interim coach for hire. So if Adam Gase does happen to lose his job early along the way, at least you got him You're halfway right.

What you're missing is what's making these Jets Har are so brilliant is that no team has better interim coaches ready to replace Adam Gase because Greg Williams took the frickin' browns and made him on pace to be a 10-win team in the second half of last year. They're set up. And who else do we add to the mix? Oh, we got Chimbop Cooter. We got a Cooter in the mix. The Cooter's back in the house.

Love that Cooter. I was a little tough. What? Look out Patriots. Your reign is over. Remember when he was going to be a head coach and now he's the Jets running backs coach? I wonder if, yeah, that's a false. That happens a lot in the NFL.

You got to build yourself back up. Look at your boy, Doug Marone. Yeah. He was coaching up offensive lineman. Look at Howley O'sman. I mean, Cooters come back from the Poconos. Cooters come back before from some setbacks. Can't roll out.

Just rounding out some coaching news. Jim Caldwell, he lands with the dollar. golfins coaching quarterbacks. And Bob Sutton joins the Atlanta Falcons staff. He, of course, most recently was the D.C. of the Chiefs. So he didn't make it there, but he gets a chance with Atlanta. Did a great job in the second half there against Tom Brady. Well, Brian Flores, Caldwell, is one of the few non-expatriots.

He really was successful in taking a lot of the assistance. And another one or two left, they are going to have. a pretty brand new coaching staff. Who is the number one, like the Belichick coaching tree? Bill O'Brien. Is Bill O'Brien the only guy that's found any success? Yeah. From the coach, from, well, Sabin, you know.

I don't count Nick Sabin is coming from the Belichick coaching tree. Come on. I mean, you could take this L. I would say Sabin would say no coach influenced him more, certainly. Not an NFL. You can have Nick Sabin. There you go. for the college football podcast.

He's had an amazing coaching tree, Greg. No, he has a terrible one, but you said it was in his coaching tree. I would have considered that. I guess I'm not many. Yeah, not many. Zero. In fact, I would, I go so far as to say. Debitrov.

I mean, how excited can you be if you're a dolphins guy right now? I mean, what evidence is there is that, oh, well, he learned that the Neabellechek. We're good. I mean, there's no evidence that that's going to be true. He seems like a unique guy. Oh, he does. Oh, well, Matt Patricia didn't seem unique. I also think every man is on his own.

You never know. I'm just saying Flores is impressive. I agree. I also think if you want to bring in college, Nick Saban, Charlie Weiss at Notre Dame, it kind of just balances it out. Oh, yeah. There's been a lot of, you know, he's got Kirk Ferrence at Iowa, Pat Hill, Fresno State. Just make it up names, though. Be still my heart.

Pat Hill. That's what's happening in the news. All right. Let's assume the Patriots die. It's over. Tom Brady, who played not a very good game. and a nice drive there in the fourth quarter, but showed his age at times less he is.

Oh, Wes and I had it out a little bit on Twitter, on Twitter a little bit when I said that was a crummy Brady game that they survived. He was nails in overtime in Arrowhead, but he was not good over the course of that regulation time. The story would have been if D-Fort doesn't put his hand off sides. The story is one touchdown, three picks, father time remains undefeated,

That would have been the story whether you like it or not. That's what it would have been. No, it wouldn't have been exactly because everyone would remember, A, the last pick came off a drop, and B, he did a lot of good things in that game. But to your point, when I went back and rewatched it, you're right, the first three quarters were up and down. But he made a lot of plays early in the game. And you can't just say, well, if it wasn't for the fourth quarter, well, if it wasn't for the four straight touchdown drives that he drove when he needed it. It was a perfect end to the Patriots era if it would have been a drop by Gronk into an interception. It was like, well, that's the end.

And it was a great way. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. But this is the first segment I can, like, reveal my new thing, which is I don't, I don't even want them to win next year. That's enough. You've been saying this since this podcast started. Now it's really true.

But you better won. What I've told you before, I'm going to tell it to you again, if you're a Tom Brady guy, what you won is after he retires, you want him to go six and ten. Because if not, then that really knocks the luster off of, uh, off of the, I wanted him to retire. Well, wait a second. I wait, Wes and Rosen, Rosenthal was better. You two.

How dare you? But by the way, you know, you do need to go back. You've never watched a game with Bradshaw. You can't rightly debate me as how good he was. But anyway. Can you get Feeney on the phone? Yeah, well, exactly. No Bradshaw talk today.

I don't want the Bradshaw talk. There is no worry about a Tom Brady narrative. Sorry, I'm the one who's already established. You two science-based guys, though, don't believe in QB wins. But why is Brady the greatest of all time? If not for, for the big time wins. Hey, those guys can go take a hike.

The quarterback's job is to win. Oh, oh, oh, so you are. I'm on your side on this. Oh, I didn't know that. The quarterback's job is to win and Brady will say the same damn thing. I'm with you 100% on it. Who is the NFL's next dynasty?

Okay, we'll start here. We're also going to get into some teams that are going to the opposite direction, not heading toward any dynasty at all. But, Dave, why don't you get us going? Why don't you throw out a team that could replace the Patriots or succeed them?

Drew Locke's Patriots, once Brady hangs them up with Belt. No, I will go with, let me just explain this in 11 seconds. I believe that the guys who, the teams that have the QB, a good QB on his rookie deal, are playing with house money. They can spend on luxury items, much like the 2018 Los Angeles Rams have done, what the chiefs are in a position to do around Mahomes now. But that isn't an enduring operation. You can't do that.

your QB must be so good that once he's making $30 million, you can still have a good roster from top to bottom. Ergo, that describes the Indianapolis Colts. They have their franchise QB locked into a big dollar figure, and yet you see them only rising up. So that will be my first team to throw out there. That was number one on my list. I'm sure you guys are not surprised.

But I sort of had a checklist, ownership, team building, coaching staff, quarterback, young talent, cap, space, draft picks, culture, veteran leadership. Wow. Recruiting ability. West did his homework. He put in the work. From most important to least important.

Ownership is always the most important. And I know you guys don't like Jim Ursay, but they've had a lot of success. I love Jim Ursay and all owners. Yeah, he's had a lot of success. And I think they have every ingredient on that list. Hmm. Including a impressive 2018 draft class to build around. They've got the most cap space of anybody that can go out and get people.

they don't really have any weaknesses. They've got an impressive coaching staff. So now these are two different conversations, though. What is a team that's well positioned to knock off the Patriots next year? And what's a team position to build a dynasty? There's only been five or six of these teams ever. Right. So this is a true dynasty.

You're not counting like the Seahawks as a diet. Three titles in the next decade. Three and ten? I was going to say three and five. Because to me the answer is like none. History would tell us that it's not going to happen. and that what you can hope for is to be like a Seahawks type of team

or a Broncos type of team or even the Colts with Peyton Manning where you have a long stretch of success but my answer would be none if I had if that was an option. Is that an option? All right. Well, that's it for a day show.

No, I mean, for a dynasty dynasty. If I had to choose what I have one at my list. And Shaq, you're great with the history of the league. I would say a dynasty's three titles in five years. The Steelers accomplished that? Yeah, they did four and six. The Cowboys did it. The Patriots did it twice.

They've downed out it twice, yes. They did three and four and three and five. People put way too much emphasis on winning a Super Bowl and not enough on getting to a Super Bowl. Well, see, you could look at that two ways. Because to me, you've got to win the game. The Patriots has been throughout the whole time, and especially the aughts to me as a dynasty by the Patriots

because they've been in the championship game eight straight times. To me, it starts in like 10 or 11 when they draft Grank, even though they didn't win a Super Bowl for a while. So do we think with, Because luck makes a ton of money. Do you think they're able to build a roster that could put together five, six, seven, eight years with luck at the star, at the helm? Yes, I do. And I think it starts with their GM, who's shown to be a very good GM in his two years on the job.

They've got extra, still have another extra draft pick from the catch trade. They've got more cap space than anyone. They've got a guy who was an offensive rookie of the year candidate, a guy who was the defensive rookie of the year candidate, a guy who was the defensive rookie of the year. And I think, you know, the coaching staff. I think the courts have just about everything. I can't argue. They need to add talent, but they have the avenues to do it easily. I'm glad you brought up this quarterback thing. I think this has been said so much that now it's overrated. This whole point of like, it's the most valuable thing to have a rookie guy on a rookie contract. The salary cap went up another $14 million is here. It's up to

$191. That's absolutely right. Your quarterbacks don't take that big of a percentage. And by the way, If salary cap was so hard and so valuable, how come half the league didn't even spend close to the salary cap last year? These quarterbacks, they don't hurt you that bad. If you can't figure out how to build a team around your $30 million quarterback with another $160, it's like that's on you. Free agency now, you're finding a hard time finding good enough players to spend all the money on.

Throw another team out there, go. I mean, the chiefs, to me, are the obvious and the right answer, not just because Mahomes is on his rookie contract, but because he's Patrick freaking Mahomes and he's got some great people around him right now and you've got a great coach

I believe a great coach in Andy Reed and a stable organization and ownership but I almost don't need all the rest I just need Mahomes and a coach that's all I need

Well you need a defense which is what did you Yeah they haven't had it yet but they've gotten they're knocking on the door They have the hardest parts down that they have the coach and they have the quarterback

and they have ownership which is steady what else is on the checklist? Go down the checklist for me again let's go out of the checklist for me again Let's go with the Chiefs. I love this. Okay.

Ownership. That's good. Ownership. Let's give them a plus for sure. Team building, which you can say GM or whatever. Yep. Coaching staff. Yep.

Quarterback. Oh, yeah. Check plus. Young talent. Yep. That. Hill. Deladable.

On one side of the ball. But you also could say they know exactly where they have to put all their efforts into building. It's the defense. Which is much easier said than done, but sure. Cap space. Where are they of that? That's a good question. I think they're pretty close to,

the bottom last year they were they were in trouble with it relatively right right right now they have 26 million rosy's right that the cap is going to bump up like another 50 million so it should throw that off two things though first of all wait we're done with a checklist oh i'm sorry draft picks would be the last like really important one to me west is correct by by the way as a side note john elway's greatness is not owed to the fact that two rings got tacked on to the back end of his career thanks to Terrell Davis. His true greatness is revealed in getting those three bum, those three bum Broncos teams to Super Bowls that they had no business. Sammy Winder was the feature back. Vance Johnson was the best wide receiver. John Elway carried those teams. That's his

greatness. The team that figured out the cap thing first though is with that what we have to take advantage of while we have a good QB on his rookie deal, the Seattle Seahawks. And as we expand the definition of dynasty in the 21st century, which Brady and Belichick have to do because they're the only two consistent people along with Bob Kraft and the Patriots dynasty. How about those Seattle Seahawks? They check many of those items that West just to come back around. Yeah. You still have Russell Wilson. You still have Bobby Wags. They have a couple of pieces just like the New England Patriots. Well, still Pete Carroll, still the QB. By that logic, if they win a Super Bowl, art wouldn't we sort of like they're kind of a dynasty they won that one they almost won that

second one and then they won that third we'd kind of be it's such a different team though i know there's the the guys that russell wilson and the coach is the same the gym playoffs every year if they but if they went on a run let's say next year and won the super bowl would you view that as the same team as the third how's that different than what the patriots have done well that's fair my biggest question with the seahawks it starts at the top they're going to have new ownership um we don't yet know what that's going to be And for three or four years now, we've been hearing that Pete Carroll is just about out the door. Well, he just resigned, you know, to a new...

I believe you were the one telling me last summer that Pete Carroll was out the door. I know. Well, it didn't happen. Yeah, I was told two years ago, this is his last year. He loved taking his boat from his house to the facility. It's like, that was a sign he was no longer serious about football. Jamie Graham was flying a plane to the facility. Exactly.

Start going back to the cheese real quick. And it didn't happen with the Patriots, but in a lot of different sports... I mean, by the way, they would have won that. Super Bowl. They would have beat the Rams. Sorry Chiefs fans to even, but I think they know that. If they had won that coin toss and moved down the field and the Patriots defense, we'd be talking about the Super Bowl champions. But to that point, a lot of teams, Jordan's Bulls, but you could like the Yankees dynasty in the 90s, there's usually a heartbreaking, devastating loss when the team is just there. And if something goes their way, they would have won it that year, too, but they don't.

and that's kind of how I see that Chiefs Patriots game for this Chiefs team. I would be shocked if they are not a team that is flying next year, and they're my Super Bowl favorite right now. Let me throw out. I'd agree with that. Three young teams and see which one you guys like best. I'm going to write one down right here. Okay.

The Chicago Bears meet a lot of the qualifications on the track. I don't love Trubisky, but otherwise awesome. I've got like a caveat for each of these teams, and Trubisky is you have to be a Trubisky believer in order to think it's the Rams, or the Bears. How about the Rams? Right, no. Because you don't trust the quarterback?

Because I don't know after a week or plus away from that Super Bowl exactly what went down without Gurley. I was pot. But before that, I don't know what was going on with McVeigh and Gurley. I was sure that they were masking, that they were gaming up the injury report and Gurley was hurt. But now the further away I get from it, it seems like there were some issue there. Yeah, we prefer the fat guy.

who wasn't on a roster two weeks ago to the biggest home run hitter in pro football? What? Wait, what's going on with Gurley? Plus, they spent on luxury items, like I said, around Jared Gough's rookie deal to get Sue and Taleb and so on and so forth. They're not going to have that same luxury going forward. But they do have tons of cap space, and they have as many good players locked in long-term as anyone, which is why I think they're a good choice.

The Rams and the Eagles would probably be the next two for me because they're front offices. Browns is my third one. And my caveat for them is ownership and an untested head coach. But they have just about everything else. I could have a winning season for us, too, before we start talking Dynasty. If we're talking Dynasty. I'll just be ahead of the curve here and not waiting until everyone else knows it. With all the teams we just ran off, everybody would have to get.

None of those teams that we have talked about has even won in the 21st century. Has one Super Bowl, Seattle, the exception to that. How about the Philadelphia Eagle? What if Carson Wentz? That is, 11 is the most, Antonio Brown, Levy, and Bell, whatever else. The most fascinating off-season storyline is what happens with the frame of mind of number 11 there? As Nick Foles moves on and the city says, but you let our hero go. I think that's right because I think if I was making a checklist,

the three biggest things are quarterback one, you know, and then maybe two is a front office nimble and flexible enough to adapt to whatever the changes in the league. with salary cap space, with position trends, and then making that work with your coach, which is number three. And I think the Eagles and the Rams are really strong in the front office and working with their coach and everything. And that's why they, I think they'll have to. I love the Eagles as a pick.

I was going to throw them out there. And Wentz is the reason why for me, because, I mean, you could not have more motivation as a quarterback coming off what was really a frustrating lost year and foals and people doubting you. And remember how good he was before he got hurt. I could see him being coming out like a house on fire. And I'm rooting for him because I think it was a really tough situation he's been in since he got hurt.

I think that Wentz is a guy to watch as an MVP candidate again next year. So I guess I'm the only one who had the Eagles as a candidate for the Dirtnaps section. Oh, sure. Let's transition to that. Go head. By the way, I like you throwing in Baker because that's the one quarterback I believe in the most. So he has a young guy. So he has a chance for it.

I guess the only reason I throw it out there is as a fan of a team that is a perennial dirt nap team like the brand. Browns are. I know everything can change in an instant, but it's going to be really hard for the Browns to take the next step and become a title contender. 2019 chance. AFC North, congrats in advance. That things happen to the pain rankings teams. And my fear is that the other shoe is going to drop. So the idea of them going to a dynasty level, I'm just going to pump the brakes on everything right now. And just see how, how does Baker Mayfield handle well-fame and success?

How does, do we really, are we all, we're all in about the quarterback. Well, this is an exception high bar. As you said, you six teams have done it ever. I mean, do we trust the Haslums? No. There's too much to me right now to bring them up in this conversation, as much as it'd be fun if they hit the ground running in 2019. All right.

So, so you think the Eagles? No, they weren't my choice, but there are only, I only have three teams that are even candidates for Dirtnap. If you, if you say they've been really successful and there's a good chance they will be unsuccessful in 2019, 2020. Steelers, one of them, right? Steelers, Patriots, and Eagles were the three I came up with. But the Eagles, look how many people in that roster are not only over 30, but in their

mid-30s or certainly could be towing the cliff. I mean, you're talking about Jason Peters, Darren Sprouls, Malcolm Jenkins, Chris Long, Michael Bennett, Travis Kelsey, halloodynata, all over 30 years old. I could just see this roster getting old really quickly. And that's not to say they don't have young guys who can. come up and take on bigger rules, but I could see, like... And they've got a little more cap issues than almost any other team. And I do, like they are, they're smart, like you said.

They have a very smart leadership. They are well-coached. They've got a good franchise quarterback, so they're in great shape, but you could also see them stumbling. Right. They got, to me, they have Wentz, and they have Fletcher Cox, and you're right. The line is a big concern. And they have Lane Johnson.

It's like, how many people really stick around for more than five or six years on a team? There's three that I like. But, you know, I do think that, yes, I think the Jason Peters factor is a massive one, that you can't sleep on that. I don't evaluate offensive linemen, but I've spoken with enough who will convince you he's the best left tackle of the generation. Fletcher Cox is the guy everybody sleeps on. Aaron Donald is the best interior defensive lineman in pro football, but Fletcher Cox is a fairly close 1A to that. I like the E, I don't see the Eagles. And if I'm looking in the short term, obviously free agency.

and the draft can change these things. Who's, you know, who's the divisional competition? The Rams, look out for the Seahawks, look out for the Niners. I think that they're going to overwhelm the Rams in 2019. The 49ers are going to overwhelm the Rams. Yeah, we're just... I don't mean, I mean that they're not going to run... I love it. I mean, they're not going to run to 13 and 3 is what I mean.

I'm relatively speaking. I don't think they're going to go 7 and 9 next year. I'm just saying that those teams are going to catch up a little. By the way, looking at it over the cap and they... their cap space. The Eagles, far and away, are in the worst cap position right now. According to them, there's $16 million in the red, so they've got to do some work just to get under the cap.

Falls is 20 of that for right now. Well, there you go. That will help, obviously, a lot. And then the chiefs who we brought up earlier, they're kind of right in the middle of the pack, actually, so they're not in too bad shape. Here's a regression team for you, the Cowboys. If they don't keep Tank Lawrence, who was quietly in the top five or six defensive players in the NFL this past season, you don't think he's going.

going anywhere? No, no team lets a talent like that get away, much less the Cowboys who always open pay. Let me ask you this, Shaq. Let's just get to it. We have something here called the P scale, all right? One is your pants, your underpants where your privates are

completely dry. There's no worry. You're not concerned about anything. Number 10, the P, it's everywhere. You've got to get a diaper on. You've got to change your clothes. You put the adult diaper on because you're peeing so much because you're worried. Where are you on the P scale about the future and present of the Pittsburgh Steelers, one to ten.

I can tell you honestly that my only concern in 2019, my P-level scale, about a four. Okay. The only thing I don't love is Mike Tomlin for all the platitudes and, you know, it's all based around testosterone. Yes, he owns that defense. That is the thing that I think is underreported nationally and even perhaps on the banks of the three rivers, people want to hang it on poor Keith Butler. Oh, his defense, they've got to fire that guy.

It's Mike Tomlin's defense. Who do you think is calling the show there? That's my concern, although talk about a nice sneaky little high or Terrell Austin, talk about the guy who was a, hey, he was a talk about guy who was supposed to be an NFL head coach? Lower it to two. Two years ago. Didn't the Bengals get rid of him in the middle of the season? I'm just telling you that now they've at least brought someone else in there to help out with the defense.

He brought a Cooter. No, you're right. He did. I like the offensive. line. He did a great job taking one of the most consistent defenses in the league and making him the worst. Oh, stop. Listen. Let me just say this. The least sexy conversation to have that is a tune-out to me and the most football fans is, you know how teams win or go deep in the playoffs year after year? The one consistent factor is dominance on both sides of the line of scrimmage. And the

Steelers have that. Even without Mike Munchak, they have a great offensive line. And Cam Hayward, Stefan, too. That's not forever. Avon Hargrave. Hardgrave and two, and are nice and young, are real nice and young. And Cam Hayward was dominant last year. Listen, do I think they're going to win the Super Bowl? No, but I think they're fine. It'll be a great move.

I think they're certainly competitive with still one of the great quarterbacks of the 21st century, Ben Rothesberger. For a little while longer. If you want to go next step and win that trench warfare and up the warfare in your conference, why don't you go poach Dante Scarnakia up from New England, bring him on as your line coach, and now you're really cooking.

Because that guy is the secret magic sauce. That's the Patriots way. In fact, you know, the kind of thing that the Patriots do is they take on guys like Antonio Brown. That's the kind of thing that that's the thing that people don't talk about with the Patriots, from Josh Gordon to Michael Floyd to so on and so on and so. Randy Moss. Corey Dillon.

They have no problem bringing in guys and we'll make him all right. And sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Hey, yeah. Stick me with like one of the best receiver. of all time who's known for his maniacal work ethic. Bring it on. Do you have a... I'm really not overly concerned.

I don't think the Ravens... The Ravens are an 8-and-8 team. What about the idea that you... Obviously, Rathlberger is getting older, and now you're going to enter a season without Bell or potentially Antonio Brown. Extended dirt nap is tough, though. Are you going?

This is a team that never loses... Do you think you're a Super Bowl team without Brown or Bell? I don't think the Steelers are winning the Super Bowl this year necessarily. But not ready for a dirt nap either. I want to see what Kevin Colbert can pull off in free agency and the drafting. Obviously, that's massive. I mean, to their credit, they have been, even in their down years, they don't stay down for long. And they've been a great organization.

They have not been taking any dirt naps for what? 30 years never had a losing season. He's been in the league for 15 years. How bad are they, does anybody expect them to turn? They weren't really outclassed by anyone. Like, even in the games they lost, they beat the saints. They blew leads. They blew leads.

and their roster is pretty strong even without Antonio Brown. I told Cam Jordan that at Super Sunday. I said, I don't want to hear any more crying from Saints people about how you got jipped by the refs. The refs stole a Steelers victory that would have put them into the postseason and made them the most dangerous team on the AFCC.

But it happened in like week 11, so nobody cares. That was week 16. You by far did the most prep and work ahead of this. You had an whole chart breaking down seven different factors. So I want to give you the last word of one team in either direction that maybe hasn't come up yet. Take us home, Wes. Okay.

I feel like we should have a second podcast just going through all the work. Yeah, I didn't even take any dirt nap. I didn't even choose a dirt nap team. You're lucky, Jaguars. I think the Saints are an interesting one because what we saw happen throughout the 2018 season was their offense started out gangbusters to use a checkism. And then halfway through the season, you started to realize the defense has so much young talent on it.

And the defense outplayed the offense. But the offense still has Alvin Kamar and Michael Thomas, two of the best players at the position. Still has, even though the offensive line sort of fell off at the end of the year, a pretty solid offensive line. The question is your quarterback couldn't throw deep for the final month and a half of the season. How do you feel about the Saints as a dynasty with a 40-year-old quarterback? Turned into an eight and a half, didn't I, down the stretch there? It did not look good. People don't like to say it.

It went on the rise in that same division. Why not the Buccaneers? Maybe. Maybe famous James. It's too early in the off season for all that. You don't know what's going to be. You don't know if they're going to go get levying. I know.

I'm just not ready. No, just rising up a little bit. I'm not ready to turn the page yet. I want to just soak in. I think their roster is more talented than people believe, yet their quarterback is not fixable like most people believe. Oh, we don't know about. Well, I don't know about that.

We will see. Rosarians can't do anything with it. No, just like so many people are invested in a mediocre quarterback who turns the ball over so much. And he's not even a good character, guys. So I just, I refuse to get invested in James Winston. We've got five months to have this conversation. It's like, what does James Winston have over everyone that they're so invested in him being a good quarterback? He's been a bad person and a bad quarterback, so I don't care.

And that wraps up our dynasty talk. Dave. Wes is just deflecting from Mariotta. Mario has not accosted anyone in an Uber vehicle or yelled stuff on a cafeteria table at Florida State or been accused of heinous crimes. Matter of fact, two-thirds of his teammates say that he's never even spoken to them. He's very quiet.

He's very shy. That's just what you want, your QB. Very early in the past the draft process in 2015, there was a line drawn in the sand. Greg got on the side of the Tampa Bay quarterback, West got on the side of the national quarterback, and ever since then, it's been very awkward. Yeah.

Every time either quarterback comes up. No winner's here. Right, no winner. Everyone's lost, including the listeners. Oh, it's been full of sound and fury. I've enjoyed it. Signifying nothing. No one is won for sure. It's been wasted airtime for a long time.

Dave Damashak, you've come in here and you've done it again. Dave's of Thunder, also part of the Adam Carolla universe. of course, with good sports. And the Dave Damashik football program two times a week, even in the off season. That's right. That's right. I think you said it all. You still have handsome Hank still involved, right?

He is still a part of the program. It seems like he kind of presents himself as a little bit above it now. He's like, I make it on when I can, but I can't always do it. He's a big hitter now. He's making all those international games. He's taking the beautiful game abroad, you know. Yeah, he's a big hitter. He's a guy.

The Lama. There's always a constant churn above the line. if you want to call it that on the third floor. You guys making hay over in the UK must be aware of it. I've heard tell many times over at this point that he walks down the street, legitimately, that he walks down the streets of London and people say, handsome Hank, I believe it. Maybe at an NFL event, I feel like.

But you're right. You're right. I think he is revered. He came to a dinner that I had with some guys who work in the UK, Nat Coombs, who has a great podcast. there and is on, you know, BBC and everything. And when his group found out that Henry was going to join us, I was already there. Oh, it was like just, ooh.

Did Henry want that? I feel like Henry. I'm just saying there was excitement. It was like, ooh, the hot girl's going to show up. Didn't know. I've never met him. It was exciting. Really?

Well, Henry is a hot girl in a way. Well, except he's not a girl. Well, that's true. All right. Anyway, Jack, thank you. Thank you, fellas. Muzzletove again there, Greg. And you're wearing a wrangling shirt.

I appreciate it, which I, as a man, this is a very Sheck shirt. It's right off the Sheck line, but I've never seen he was a Wrangler man. Oh, no, listen, Wrangler and Dave Damashick football program had a beautiful hot affair for a while there. Yeah, no, this is, this is some of the beauty. I like that. That's some of the bounty you've got. I got pants and everything. You can borrow some.

All right. There we go. Ricky, happy birthday. Wake up. Thank you. 27. Yeah. Sat this one out, the show.

But why? Was it my fault, Rick? No. No, you got, you got, I just didn't want to mess up the flow. It was so good. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, that makes sense. All right.

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