NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Browns-Steelers Snow Classic Recap and Dolphins DC Anthony Weaver Joins the Show!

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Bo Wulf to recap the snow covered Thursday Night Football game between the Steelers and the Browns. The guys start the show by talking about Jameis Winston's memorable night (01:10), followed by a look at Russell Wilson and the Steelers offense (25:25), the rivalry between T.J. Watt and Myles Garrett (19:11) and the state of the AFC North (38:07). After the break, Dolphins DC Anthony Weaver joins the show (41:17).  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the 6th, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. We study the tape, talk to decision makers, and give you a perspective you won't find anywhere else.

It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sunday. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the game for the 35, six seconds left. Browns up five, defend this and beat the Steelers. Russell Wilson to throw, back to throw, has time, hit as he throws, ball up into the air towards the end zone, knock it down, jump ball, and complete. Brown's win. And they're making Snow Angels 24-19. Oh, what a call by our friend Andrew Siciliano on WKRK.

What a game! I usually wait till the end of the show to say this, but when it's snowing and the Browns are winning an AFC North game at the very end with help from James Winston, You know football is back. I am so fired up tonight to be joined by my friend, Bo Wolf of P-H-L-Y, and he thought I was assigning him to a stinker,

and that's why you got to watch Bo-Wolf. You never know when you're going to get one of the most memorable games of the season. I don't think it's hyperbole to say this upset by the Browns in the Snow Globe was one of those games. And to be here with you for what might be the definitive James Winston, game. I mean, what a treat for me. Yes, that is true. James Winston, true believers,

supporters, this is your night. This is for you. Our guy, got it done. I think the definitive game is definitely the game where he threw his 30th touchdown and his 30th interception in the final week, because everyone was just rooting for it, rooting for it, and then it happened. But yes, this is one of the best moments. I'd have to go back. He did have more good moments for Tampa than people remember. But what a moment for him. I thought. He had his moment early in the fourth quarter when they took the lead to go up 18 to 6 after some total heroics.

They blow the lead, giving up two touchdowns, including a sequence where it was a strip sack of James Winston that the Steelers then took a lead 19 to 18. Steelers had the ball at one point with the lead and you didn't think it was going to happen, did you? When the Browns got the ball back with a little over three minutes left, Bow Wolf, and then they go on a touchdown drive.

that I can't imagine many Browns fans expected considering the way this season has gone. Or as even as as Kirk Herb Street said on the call, like maybe they thought they scored too early. They're like, oh, this is too good. That too. But I mean, there were so many, I know we'll get to all of them, so many Jamis moments in this game.

I mean, you had the powerful downfield tackle on a fumble, just laying wood down there. You had the touchdown that you talked about, the two-point conversion, where the battery is like, dangling in front of his helmet. You have the drive when they're trying to score after he fumbles it. He makes that beautiful throw on the run to Jerry Judy and then throws the interception, which you're like, okay, that was probably coming at some point.

And then he leads the game-winning touchdown drive. It is, I mean, it's very James. It was very cool. It's like, if you had asked me before this game, what was going to happen? I would have probably flippantly said, like, oh, the Browns will probably blow it late. will win a close game. There's going to be a lot of Jamis moments, and that's almost what happened.

But even if that had happened, you would have missed so much of the wonder of the game, and we haven't even gotten to the snow of it. I know. That's why you can't look at the box score, because in the end, he has one interception, no touchdowns on this game,

219 yards, which through the snow was crazy, and we hadn't mentioned. The game starts with some light precipitation, sometimes nothing, sometimes like a little just flakes out there, but the field's clean. It's windy.

for the most, a little bit, but it's fine. And then by the end of the game, this is full, you know, Foxborough's last game with the tuck rule and Adam Benetieri in the snow. It is an absolute blizzard out there. And both he and Russell Wilson are making really good passes for the most part.

I guess we should have known, you put late career Russell Wilson, really any stage career, Russell Wilson, against James Winston. Yeah, fireworks. Right. In the prime time game, it's going to get really stupid. I want to start actually with the last drive. And yeah, we can kind of go backwards from there. But on the last drive of the game, James gets it back after the Steelers don't do a good job with it. They get it with 422 left and they go three and out.

They bring in Justin Fields on, I think it was second and third down. Is that right, Bo? I don't know if he was on second. I think that's right. I think that's right. Okay. It was definitely third down where he throws the ball down the field one-on-one cover. just kind of a hope ball to Pickens. And it was part of a night where Fields is coming in and out of the lineup. It felt like he was on the field more than he really was. He only ended up throwing one pass, and that was it. And he ran three times, including a failed fourth down.

But the Steelers didn't quite know what to do with Russell Wilson because he was just up and down, and the red zone offense has been so bad, and they were bad on fourth down. The Fields thing was interesting because we joked earlier in the week that the Brown's defense gave up this huge game to taste them, like maybe the Steelers are going to lean into Justin Fields. And Fields is on the field on the first third down of the game.

And then they get a penalty. They take him off. So it was as if this was a big plan for them coming into the game. I think he only played one other snap in the first half. But then he was on the field to lead that one touchdown drive on the nice, you know, the 30-yard keeper. He's in for three plays before they bring Russell in. But then Wilson comes in and leads the go-ahead touchdown drive.

So it was weird when you knew that they needed to get a first down and probably throw there that they let Justin Fields throw that pass. Yeah, it's going to be a really interesting 10 days in Pittsburgh, I think, talking about this and a really interesting rest of the season. One thing that's really stuck with me throughout this whole Russell Wilson period of him starting is Mike Tomlin saying that, I think it was a report that he just, he wanted to see what he had in Russell Wilson. Like he had all offseason with Russell Wilson and he wanted to take a test drive and see what the difference was between the two quarterbacks and what he had. And I expect he's going to stick with Russell Wilson in general.

But when you don't score a touchdown for almost eight straight quarters, which is what happened here, we almost got to 120 minutes straight without a touchdown. And you have a guy who's clearly better in the red zone. I think Tomlin is thinking, hmm, maybe I'll use fields a little more. Who knows even? And this game, I don't know which way it's going to connect. convince him because it was kind of the full Russell Wilson experience where a lot of beautiful passes, but a lot of mind-numbing mental mistakes.

You do think that, like, the reason that there has never really been like a true sort of like quarterback rotation in game is because of the egos involved. Like that seems like a total recipe for disaster within the locker room and with the two quarterbacks in question. But I do think that if any coach is able to manage those egos, goes well. And I mean, we can talk about some of the mistakes that Tomlin made in this game managing and they lose this game. So there's going to be heat on him. But in terms of like managing personalities, that is like that's his superpower, right? Like the, you know, everybody's patting

him on the back. Rightfully so for going to Russell Wilson midseason in the first place. I feel like if any, if anybody could do that and sort of mix in both guys depending on the situation, it would be Tomlin. I do too. And yet coming into this year, I would have said Russell Wilson would have been about the last quarterback that I think could have handled this. But he's been, by all accounts, and you can see it. I think a very good teammate with Justin Fields has handled everything well, handled it well when he was a backup. And maybe he's down with it.

He's at an effort portion of his career, and we'll see. Because I know Drew Brees did not love it when they were pulling him out for Taysam Hill, but that's a little different situation where one guy is a clearly established future Hall of Famer and the other is a gadget guy. We'll get to that in a sense. I want to go back to that last drive, and all these last drives, because they were fascinating. On the last drive, in the snow, fourth and three, Jerry Judy catches an out route. And that's kind of what I want to point out about James, 27 passes tonight for 219 yards.

If you go back and watch that Saints game a week ago, I even dare anyone who doesn't have a family and frankly doesn't like themselves. To go back and watch that Chargers game where everyone said James stunk because he had a bunch of interceptions, he still had like seven or eight. gorgeous throws. He's been spinning the ball very well. And I think fits in Kevin Stefansky's offense. Obviously, that first game he had back was fantastic. And I think you saw it tonight. Like, he was pushing the ball down the field in the snow. There were a lot of high-level throws. Yeah, he had the interception. To me, the fumble was not on him. But it

does say a lot, fourth down, in a big spot. And really throughout the entire second half, they were trusting James. They kind of thought, I don't know if this is going to work with Nick Chub in our offensive line on the ground. That's not going to work. Like, let's just trust James in his arm and have some fun. Yeah, I know that the, like, the book on Ken Dorsey in Cleveland is like, this guy leans on the past a little bit too much. Like, he doesn't run it enough. And it was almost as if they came out in this game. And it was like he had been chastised to try to run the ball first. And the first two drives are three and out. Like, they're trying to go run first, and it just doesn't work. They look terrible. And so then that third drive, they finally open it up. You know,

They bring in Michael Dunn for the heavy six-offensive line package. All of a sudden, they go down and score a touchdown because they're throwing the ball. And they are trusting Jamis. That was a beautiful throw to Jerry Judy. But what did you make of the sequence right before it? So there's what could have been the intentional grounding, which is also a very James play. They call the illegal touching. And then there's the very long back and forth with Mike Tomlin about whether they wanted to be third and seven or third and eight or fourth and two, fourth and three.

Yeah, I didn't understand that, and that was actually after. So the Judy fourth down comes first. I mean, this game was so insane. It's easy to forget that the Browns had the ball in Pittsburgh territory because their punter punted at 15 yards. And there was a couple punts like that tonight, which was just ghastly. I think one was by the Browns, one was by the Steelers. Actually, there was a great Al Michaels, like, what is that on the first one in the first quarter?

I thought, by the way, I thought this game totally rejuvenated Al. I thought Al was like, this was like, oh, finally a game that I can enjoy. I've been very hard on Al. He's still Al Michaels. And when he's kind of like, this game was how when you watch a great Aaron Rogers throw or Kirk Cousins throw this year, they're still great throws. They have great drives and maybe it's not consistent like you want it. But this game was like a gorgeous throw by Al Michaels.

I'm totally with you. He was up for it. Kirk was mostly up for it. Kirk was Kirk. But yeah, they get the ball. Kirk was Kirk. At the 45, they get it to the fourth and six. They get Judy.

And I was really impressed by that through. I wanted to point it out because Nate Herbock, who's had a great game, hits Winston as he's throwing that. So game's basically over if Winston doesn't deliver from the pocket. That's why he got drafted first overall. It was because, you know, people that weren't that smart was like, oh, there's a little Peyton Manning in him.

He reads the field so well, and he's just so good from the pocket. Like, that was the type of play people got excited about as a prospect. That decision that Tomlin made and then unmade and then made and then unmade. It was on a third and two. I'm not going to kill him either way.

The only thing that was confusing to me is like, why is he allowed to change his mind five times and why did the game stop for five minutes? He was basically choosing between a third and two, I mean a fourth and two or a third and seven with the game on the line. So you could have made one play

to end the game on fourth and two, or do you back them up and make the third and seven? I probably would have a fourth and two, but I actually don't, I don't have a hot take on that. I just don't understand why are they allowed to change their mind and go back and forth? It looked to me like he declined it, and then when the Brown sent their offense on the field,

like they were going to go for it, then he decided to accept it. Like he didn't want them, he wanted them to kick a field goal. He didn't think they could make the field goal. But once they said they were going for it, then I was like, okay, no, no, no, then I actually want to accept it. But that doesn't seem fair. That doesn't seem fair at all.

And I actually think you're right. You outsmarted me and maybe the rest of the audience. This is why we got Bo Wolf. Bo Wolf, by the way, check out his P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast with the man, Zach Berman, the best comedy duo with Zach is the straight man. That is Zach mainly. In NFL podcasting. So that decision wasn't crazy to me.

But then James hits an absolutely gorgeous throw there to Judy. again while he's getting hit by Ogun Jobie. There's a penalty on the Steelers after the play for delaying the game. Roger Sherman on Twitter believes that was intentional to put them inside the 10 and try to shorten the game. And I think they let Nick Chub score. I went back and watched those plays. And I know Nick Chub got tackled,

but I don't think they were really trying to tackle him on the first play. They were just trying to knock the ball out. And then on the second play, I think they let him in to try to get the ball back. Do you think it's better to be down five in that scenario and try to score in the snow or see if you can get a block on the field goal or a fumble? I actually think I might take my chances and just try to stop them. Well, knowing it's the Browns and anything could happen, I might be in that way. I don't know if I buy that they did that penalty from the 14 on purpose because it wasn't

pre-snap. It's not like the coaches were calling it in. That's usually when you would see that happen. It would have taken unbelievable awareness for a rookie to do that, knowing that the ball was down on the 14 right after it happened. I'm not sure I'm willing to go there. But I do think I'm with you, especially on the touchdown run, it seemed like they were like, okay, get him.

Yes, let's actually listen to that touchdown run. What a moment. Nick Chubb, I know he hasn't been running great this year, but for him to be out there in the snow against the team who he was facing when he suffered that career-changing injury and to have the game-winning touchdown is awesome. Let's listen to Andrew. Shotgun from the two chubbed the back.

James the snap. Give the chub. Chubb running. Chubb. Touchdown. Nick Chub did it. He stayed on his feet. The Browns take the lead.

57 seconds to go. And the Browns lead the Steelers 24 to 19. Yeah, that's Andrew getting it done. I love it. And we'll actually have Andrew on this TNF recap program the next time the Browns are in prime time. Because the Browns are always in prime time. time. They're just living in prime time the next four weeks, Bo. And I was complaining about it on our very last show. And now I embrace it. Let's just get more, James. It's going to be fun. Absolutely.

I was thinking about, you know, just the Browns fans and even, you know, given the connection, like the Brown's family members, like you're going to this game. This is a hopeless season. They're two and eight. You're sitting in this terrible weather. And like, what are we doing here? Why is this the way that I'm spending my life? And then you get this unbelievable game. And then it looks like they've blown it and you're like oh my god like but then like they come back they win this game and just the beauty of that as a as a two and eight fan like this is this is what it's all about they they got the one thing the one positive memory they will probably have of this season i think they are the best i think they are the best fans i it's hard to just to just pick one i think the bills are in the

mix and i think the lions are in the mix i i kind of lean on the old school teams who have been through a lot of heartache, but haven't lost any of the passion. And I think the Browns are the tops of those, because it's ridiculous that that place was packed out. And I know there were some Steelers fans there, but it was mostly Browns. And they were going crazy, having the time of their lives. One of those fans there, Bo, was our very own Nick Shook. We actually have a picture.

If you're watching on YouTube of Nick took during the game, he has great seats right near the field. I think he... It's a big flex. I mean, and it's just a beautiful shot with the snow coming down, and that's what being a sports fan is all about. Who cares that the season was so bad?

Tonight was magical. Regardless, let's go back and talk about that drive where James Winston finished it off with the crazy play. Let's actually listen to Andrews call that. We're just going to lean on Andrew Siciliano of this show. Parash in the game to the right now, Ford motions to the left.

Winston to throw, fourth down. Winston, under pressure, scrambling. Bucking, he's going to run. He jumps. Touchdown. James Winston on fourth down. Up 16 to 6. They're going to go for two in this snow here.

James shotgun, two-point conversion, looking left, throwing. High, Nujoku, does he come down with it? Yes, sir. He didn't drop this one. David Nukoku, two-point conversion. rounds lead by 12, 18 to 6. What, a sequence there. So to set it up, 12 minutes left in the game, they're up 10 to 6 going into that.

Nijoku drops a great play call, wide open touchdown on third down, and they decide to go for it. Instead of going for the field goal there, Kevin Stafansky is showing some stones, showing some faith. And that play looked like it had nothing going on. And with Ryan Fitzpatrick, you know, in the stadium for Amazon. very Ryan Fitzpatrick, jumping at the goal line type of touchdown, just like absolutely insane going over the top to get the touchdown. And then Injoku making a crazy catch.

That was magical and like the game was just warming up at that point. And just to gas up Siciliana, what a great call there to get the excitement while also slipping in the subtle dig at Injou for the drop. Like that's just high level stuff. It really was. And that's not James's forte creating when things aren't going well necessarily. You see him sort of like take a pause at the top of his drop there. He like, he takes a little bit of a half look.

Like, am I about to get sacked? Ooh, I guess I can sort of move. And then he gets out of the pocket and he sees that he has that little alley. It's, it was very fun. And that's what knocked out the little battery, which was very cool. Yes. On the two-point conversion, they show after the play that the battery on his helmet kind of got knocked out while he got hit. And then it's just dangling in front of his eyes like a, like a, like a,

clock while he's making that play. It was fantastic. That's actually a good time to mention, like, where's T.J. Watt on any of these plays? You totally shut down Lamar Jackson. You don't let him out of the pocket. I went and looked. 27 pass rushes tonight. One pressure. It was not a quick pressure. And all night, they're like, oh, they're double teaming them like crazy. They're chipping them like crazy. I mean, I can't vouch for the next gen stats, data being 100% accurate. They said he was double team three times. So, Miles Garrett apparently went into this game annoyed about the T.J. Watt, Miles Garrett comparisons.

Miles Garrett had eight pressures, three sacks. Three sacks on the first half. Right. T.J. Watt, who's been a little quiet this year, except for game-changing plays, which is a big except for, but like his pressure numbers haven't nearly been there. Quiet night. Bad night for his candidacy, a defensive player of the year. Bad night for Tomlin's coach of the year candidacy. That's true. And they did, on the third sack for Garrett, one of his teammates came in and did put the crown on his head.

So I think it's very fair to assume that there is, like, that is a personal rivalry that the teammates take on between those two guys who's better. I'm giving you a different thing for the dangle on James Winston's. I'm going anglerfish. This is a remnant of my son's former interest in ocean animals. I'm going anglerfish there. I love that. This is, Bo is like, Bo is a host actually doing this show. with you boasts is making me feel my my shortcomings as a host because you would be peppering

your people with questions. I just like say a strong, like an opinion and then I just stop talking and just wait for the next person. I'm guilty of that too. I think it's fun. That's part of the conversation. It is fun. Like maybe we should have seen this game coming. Tomlin, there was this crazy stat floating around that he hasn't won on the road on Thursday nights. Do you make anything of that In terms of AFC North, Thursday night football, he was winless. I think he was 0 and 5 or something like that. AFC North teams at home on Thursday night football are 17 and 2. So for whatever reason, it's very hard for this division.

It's not a long trip, but there's something to it. I do think that there is something to, and this Steelers team is different because they have won some games like handily, right, that have not just been all one score games, but the notion that this is just a team that, you know, knows how to win these, these tight. games and that's their superpower. Like I think it lays that to waste a little bit that this team is better than that. They're not just reliant on winning one score games, but it is also tough, it's a tough loss for them in the sense that like this was the kind of game they liked to play. It was sort of played on their terms and they won the turnover battle three to one and they still lost the game. Before the, before we went on, I was looking it up. In Tomlin's career,

this is the first time in 18 seasons in which he has lost two games in the season when the team won the turnover battle by at least two. Every Tomlin's stat is crazy, though, too, because they've also won two games this year where they haven't scored a touchdown. And they're actually the first team,

I was surprised by this, they're the first team to do that since the 02 bucks. Like it's hard to win games without scoring a touchdown. So to win two in one season is very hard. And there was a segment of this game where I thought they at least had a chance because they were down 10-6 going into the fourth quarter.

They still hadn't scored a touchdown. I'm like, they're going to do it again. They're going to bang two more field goals in this game and wind up winning. And it didn't happen because the defense ultimately wasn't good enough. Even though in the fourth quarter, they did force two turnovers during the second half. They get the force fumble on James

and they get the interception on James, but they give up the two drives. Okay, I thought after that James sequence, Like, this is too perfect. Just end the game right now with the dangling battery because it's bound to go bad. And it did. They have that quick drive where Fields had the run, like you mentioned. Fields ends up three for 26, but that was a 30-yard run.

He had the fourth down fail earlier in the game. And that was a big difference in the game. The Browns went four for four on fourth down, and the Steelers went one for three. Yes, two. And they also missed a field goal. So that was, they were bad in short-yardage in this game. That mattered for sure. Right. And Russell Wilson made some mental mistakes. Like the first half was very Russell Wilson. We'll get into that. As you tweeted it, it was very Russell. Go ahead.

Right. And in the fourth quarter, so they get that drive where Jalen Warren gets the touchdown. They get the strip sack. Herbig has been awesome, by the way, six pressures. He's great. And then immediately, Russell Wilson gets back on the field. And on the third play of that drive, you know, they're in Brown's territory. He can, he's great. He can, he's great. And then immediately Russell Wilson gets back on the field. And on the third play of that drive, you know, they're in Brown's territory. He comes up with a great throw to take the lead. Ball at the 23-yard line. Wilson gets the snap. Browns bringing five men. Throws over the middle of the field. Calvin Austin, touchdown. Pittsburgh Steelers. Calvin Austin, you're a giant, man. What a giant!

I got to admit, like, Russ... Yes, please. Well, I was struck by in the first half, all of Russell's big plays were coming on third and long. And having covered Jim Schwartz in Philadelphia, you know, I'm accustomed to, like, the sticks defense that he used to. to do, which was like, we might get beat in front of us, but we're not going to get beat deep. And so as this game goes on it, it played out.

Russell Wilson, in this game, had five completions of 20 yards or more on third and long. So we're defining that as third and six. That is the most of any quarterback in a game this season. And number two is Justin Herbert, who had four also against this Brown's defense. Wow. That's shocking. And he does do that sticks thing still sometimes. but you're right, it must not be very often.

And I thought the whole key that Russ is like... We can't be getting beat deep in that situation? No, you're right. And I thought like the whole key against Ross just play deep safeties, like stay on the outside, stay in the corner, take away the middle. But that was a beautiful throw to the middle of the field. He had another chance to get one to Pickens earlier

and they weren't on the same page. But actually, the numbers, according to next gen, he went 10 for 14 against split safety coverage for 165 yards and a touchdown. I think that was probably the touchdown. there. And so Russell Wilson is so hard to figure because you look at the numbers. And some of those slants, he throws those slants so beautifully. Like he stuck a couple in in really tight windows in this game. When he was throwing the ball, for the most part,

it looked good. But yes, it's the decision making that for a guy who is as experienced as he is really makes you scratch your head. Right. It's a better version of what he was last year in Denver where if you just looked at the stats, it was one thing. But if you watch the games and watched Sean Payton, like, losing his mind. It was another. Like, Russell finishes 21 for 28 for 270 yards and a touchdown, which is great. And the first half, he hit his first 11 passes for 147 yards. And so that seems like you're having an awesome half.

But he took three sacks. One, kill the drive to make Boswell have to go for a 57 yarder, which was a brutal one. Another one, I was listening to the radio on the way back. Then I try to catch up on YouTube. and Mike Golick, Sr., did a nice job of pointing out on the third down on another sack where they did hit the field goal. He missed Calvin Austin wide open in the middle of the field.

They didn't show us that on the broadcast, I think. Like, that's Wilson's M.O. in Seattle. That's what drove everything crazy. He never sees the middle of the field. And I went back and looked just to confirm it, and it was that. But he also had dimes tonight. Like, he threw the ball well down the field to pick-ins a couple times. He had a great throw on fourth and one, the fourth down that they did pick up.

Like, he does enough good things that you forgive the sacks that he takes. He's just, like, a little maddening and never has really learned how to be a game manager. Like, that is, like, to manage different situations is not really his thing. And as we talked about, it was, and it's so interesting that after he throws that beautiful touchdown pass to Calvin Austin to give them the lead, the next drive, when they have a chance to salt away the game, that's when they pull him for Justin Fields. And so, like, I'd love to get the truth serum with Mike Tomlin about that. It is fascinating. A few more little things before we go. The play that might have really turned the game around was the penalty on Grant Delpit after he did one of my favorite unnecessary roughness or whatever that call was.

Instead of snatching someone's chain bow, he snatched the mouthpiece out. Is that new? I don't know if I've ever seen this mouthpiece snatch. It's a little bit disturbing how easily it comes out. It really is. That really did change the game because... It went from like second and goal at the eight to first and goal at the three, something like that, right?

Yeah, at least at the eight. And that was after a fate... I just felt like, oh, they're not going to score once they get to the 10. If you've watched the Steelers this year, they never score once they get inside the 10. They can only score from the 20 out. I think they're 30th or 31st in red zone offense.

I think their last actually since Russell Wilson took over. And they just can never figure. things out. Arthur Smith, it's not happening for them in the red zone. And they went backwards on a Cordor L. Patterson run there. And I'm thinking, oh, they're never going to get this done. And then George Pickens, who is maybe the number one instigator in the NFL now, he makes everyone mad. And he always gets in these wrestling matches. I love him. He is amazing. Did we see what happened at the end of the game? No. They didn't. Oh, no. Yeah. And he almost was like, he took his helmet off and his John back with the, with the fans after the Hail Mary at the end of the

game. By the way, we didn't talk about Russell Wilson just getting absolutely lit up on that Hail Mary by Jordan Hicks. I mean, he just gets planted. That was tough to watch. It was. He took a lot of tough hits. I mean, Russell Wilson is one of the toughest quarterbacks I've ever seen in my life. I always am amazed how he takes brutal hits. And he never seems worse for where he never does the thing where, like, James, when he hit that Judy throw, he barely got touched, but he started crawling afterwards. And I'm like, oh, no, is James hurt? But it's like, no, James is just having some fun trying to get a penalty flag. Russell's the opposite. He'll get blasted and he never shows it. Like, that man is thick. That man is, he's a tough man. Not that I need

to tell him that. Yeah, that's fair. Do you think, what do you think moving forward? Do you think they're going to do a little, like, dance with the two of them? I think it'll be more of this. I think it'll be mostly Russell Wilson, but I think, They will use Justin Fields when they think appropriate in the red zone or in short yards. The problem was it didn't really work tonight. The first play call that Fields was going to run, they had a penalty because the tight end moved. And then the second one had no chance. It wasn't Fields' fault, but it had no chance.

Yeah. Now, on the other side, what do we think of the Kevin Stefansky of it all? Like all the talk coming in is like, oh, six of the last seven Brown's head coaches have been fired after losses to the same. Steelers, now they're 3 and 8. How do you feel about the Stafansky future? I love that you're taking over here. You actually sent me some notes before the game. Just in case this was a game that didn't deserve, but this game deserved everything. One of them was Stafansky trade. Tell me more about that. But obviously, Kevin Stafansky, being the first Browns coach to win back-to-back games against the Steelers since 2001, they have not won back-to-back game. That's got to help. I think

Jimmy Haslam, their owner, who used to be a part owner of the Steelers, and I believe used to be a Steelers fan, this means a little more to him. And I think beating the Steelers on national TV and seeing that they're a much better team, frankly, with James Winston. They're not a good team, but they're a much better team with James Winston. I think it's got to help Stefansky. Not to mention the back-to-back, you know, not back-to-back, but two-time coach of the year winner. Yeah, I mean, obviously we're not even talking about the Deshaun Watson of it all. that's the real the undercurrent here

that's their whole season but this this idea occurred to me because I was listening to Zach Jackson's podcast from the Athletic for getting prepped for this game and he was talking about they're probably not

it wouldn't make sense to fire Stefansky midseason if that it was something they wanted to do because there probably would be interest league-wide in a trade we don't see a lot of trades but we saw the Sean Payton trade I think we saw the Bruce Ariens trade

was the most recent one before that I don't know if they would do that I feel like you lose all your leverage if it's a guy you're just going to fire. But I think, I think Stefansky would be a coach who would be like a relatively hot commodity given the, given the, the amount of openings there could be. And I was trying to think of what team might be willing to trade for him. The only one that, that sort of made sense to me is Jacksonville, because that's a, that's an owner that is just trying desperately to figure it out somehow. And they have, like, they've tried all of these

different avenues. And I think you could maybe talk yourself into this as a guy who can help Trevor Lawrence, but I don't know. Shepter threw it out there this week. There could be up to nine head coaching hirings, and I was like, I thought that was a crazy number. And then I started writing down, and we might do a segment on this soon. There are a lot, it's very early. We have seven games left for a lot of these teams. And I think it's going to be over five. I don't know. I think the beard alone that Stefansky has is worth a conditional seventh. I agree with Yeah, the beard is fantastic as someone who's rocking a salt and pepper now myself. I know.

We're both with, I would say maybe fledgling beards. Mine, I think I'm actually going to bring mine back. It's only been a couple weeks here. And I'm going to think I'm going to go back to this double soon. But if I had a beard like that, I would walk around just with incredible confidence. The confidence of a Kevin Zepanski. He's always carried himself like a two-time coach of the year winner. And he's a good play caller.

Not to reference an old trope on the show, but I do think it's a very nice zaddy look. Yes, yes. I don't disagree. He's a handsome man. And I don't know if he would really have that much interest in the trade market. You don't think so? No, I think for a coach to really have trade value, he's like a Super Bowl winner. So, like, it could be something at that level.

But it's such a weird thing to trade for a coach. I also thought they tried to make it somewhat illegal but then the Sean Payton thing happened and who knows you also wrote down Germain Afetti you wanted to talk about Germain Afetti who were going to get here

who almost was a a real goat in this game giving up the sack to Nickerva. He gave up the sack that James Winston, it was not Winston's fault by the way, I had someone respond to me on Blue Sky that like oh now Winston's being Winston I'm like they got to

That guy got there in a second and a half on the blind side. That is not on the quarterback. Yeah, I mean, you'd like to see him hold onto the ball. But the serve of the sack. It was literally in a second and a half. I mean, they let the guy go free. I'm not going to kill him for that. And Effetti had a big penalty earlier.

That was the one that Winston made up. Wait, what is your effetti? I mean, it's a very silly thing. But he holds a special place in the Birds with Friends averse, is what I will call it, which dates back to. when Sheal Capadia was the Seahawks reporter for ESPN. And they did the pre-draft, like, NFL Nation mock draft. It's very funny, like, the prediction of who the pick is going to be.

And Sheal says, like, I think the Seahawks are going to draft Germana Fetty for whatever reason, whatever reason. And then they flash to the panel, and Bill Pollan comes on and just crushes it. Crushes Sheel, everything he stands for, crushes Afi. There's no way this is going to be the pick. And then he becomes the pick. So he's the entry to why Bill Pollian has been a featured player for us for many years. That is hilarious. Bill Polion, like, don't you have a team to consult with to give them a totally terrible head coaching hire?

It's like, when will we stop letting Bill Polion consult on coaching hires of guys that were good like 15 years ago? It never works. So not that I'm annoyed still about Bill Pollian changing the defensive holding. You're on the right side of history here. yeah I really am I love the garbage cans being banged that at like the snow and owl and the garbage cans

yeah I saw people complain about this I thought that was totally fine that gave some color to the game I was totally fine with that oh yeah it was it was the best performance by a fan group in the entire season like the

the big men there was large men the big men you were going to say girthy yeah I was and then I decided to not say it But you said it for me. Yeah, my son, Walker, we were watching the game together.

And he's just like, why is everyone so fat in Cleveland? That's like, yeah, well, that's a kid, just being honest. I mean. That's a very L.A. opinion. I mean, they were big, they were big guys. I do like, I will say, I prefer, I like the overalls, nothing underneath look for those guys, as opposed to the guys who just went straight no shirt. I agree with you that that's a better look and look it's easier to survive out there in in sub-freezing

snow conditions if you've got you know if you've got a big belly that's true yeah it's like a body warm like a walrus theory yeah um before we wrap up let's let's go back just quickly to before the game and it's one of the reasons we love jamis it's it's not just the game it's the it's just the full jamis of it all this was him talking before the game weather conditions tonight We're expecting winds up to 15 miles per hour in a wintry mix. How will that impact your ability to throw the ball? I am so happy and grateful that the Lord has blessed me to play in some snow to be in true football weather in Cleveland, Ohio at Huntington Bank Field today to get him to glory.

It's a beautiful day. You haven't seen that there, right? I love that. I had not seen that. And it was perfect because it was barely snowing at that point. And by the end, he got the snowing. game of his dreams. The first time he said he ever played in snow in his entire life. Also,

I mean, what a company man to make sure that he says Huntington Bank and gets the official name of the stadium in there. I could not have told you that was the name of the stadium. Honestly, that is the first time I've ever heard that that's Huntington Bank. It would be very funny if it wasn't.

Right. Is it? Do we know that? James just made that up. That would be great. It could be a fictional bank, and I wouldn't be surprised. Before I let you go, Bo. Just quickly. I wanted to give the Steelers schedule. This was a big loss. They're at 8 and 3 now.

Their upcoming schedule at Cincinnati, home for the Browns, at your Eagles, at the Ravens, home for the Chiefs, and then home for the Bengals. That's a tough road. Let's say you split with the Bengals.

It's a good team. Let's just say we split. Let's say you beat the Browns. You don't get swept by the Browns. Okay, that's two and one. So you get one of the next, those three big ones. If you get one of the other three, I would say that's fine at Philly, at Baltimore, Casey. That's three and three.

And this loss really looms large and kind of opens the door for the Ravens to come win this division. Yeah, although, you know, I'm not necessarily sure that I'm counting the Mike Tomlin of it all out. Maybe, you know, they could steal, they could steal two of those three. But yeah, I think, I think, you know, the numbers, would tell us, the eye test would tell us that on over a 17-game span that the Ravens are probably a better team. So they have certainly opened the door for them to come get it. Not a great Tomlin game, some game management stuff at the end of the first half, similar at the end of the second half, but I'll forgive it just for those clumps of snow. The Tomlin experience is not

about the micro of the in-game decision-making, right? It's about getting guys to play as hard as they can. It's about the vibes, and so are you. Like I said, check out Bowulf. I'm just going to say it. The best team podcast out there, P.H.L.Y. Eagles, and you're holding up the Michael Dunn jersey. Explain why that was, because you had a great stat when he was on the field in the first half for three plays. Three snaps. They hadn't had a first down in the entire game. Three snaps, two first downs and a touchdown.

And he's connected because he is married to your former or current producer? Former producer, Marissa, who's still at the athletic, does. fantastic work. She's a complete badass. And following the Michael Dunn story for the past however many years has been a real pleasure. Bo Wolf, you are complete badass too. And this isn't even the whole podcast. If I was a better host, I just got overzealous and over excited. But if you read the title before listening to this, you would know that we also have an interview as part of this podcast. I've been talking about it earlier in the week. We're going to hear from Anthony Weaver, the defensive coordinator of the Miami Dolphins. Jordan Rodriguez joins me for this conversation. It was a really

good talk with an up-and-coming coordinator, probably a future NFL head coach. He's got a tough matchup this week against Drake May, but I didn't hold that against him. For the real Jordan Rodriguez, we had her on our show today talking about the Rams Eagles game and the Eagles front office. If you really need more Jordan than your life, you have an extra. We all do. Look at that pro, getting the plug-in at the very last second. So we'll take a quick break. And we'll listen to Anthony Weaver on the other end. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin.

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Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right. I'm very excited for our guest this week, a little different on NFL Daily here with Jordan Rodriguez, of course, and welcoming in Anthony Weaver, the defensive coordinator of the Miami Dolphins with a very cool looking logo backdrop there. You did it upright on your Zoom, Anthony. Thanks. Yeah, I did that all myself. He drew the dolphin, you know, he programmed everything, installed the LED lighting, you know. I wouldn't be surprised based on the job you're doing

over there covering every, no stone is unturned over there. It seems like with your group this here, Anthony. You guys are too kind. It's having incredible players who are going on and giving maximum effort, man, which is, it always gives you a chance. Okay, so now we're going to really grill you hard with like the hard-hitting question. We set you up and now, no, I'm just kidding. No, I was thinking about you because I remember you as a player, you happen to be in, I think it was about the second or third year of your career when I started my career covering the league. So I remember you for those Ravens teams and the Texans. And I was thinking, I've seen that

you've gotten a game ball as a coach, as a defensive quarter. like tell me about the different satisfaction level maybe which is different better whatever between getting a game ball as a player and now you're you're doing it as a coordinator i think getting the game ball as a player is actually much easier than trying to take getting it as a coach right because ultimately as a player like you're just responsible for the for the one person yourself yeah and you do everything you can to try to perfectly we can prepare yourself to go out there and make plays when they present themselves. Well, as a coach, now, like, you go through all those same processes.

And now you're doing it for 30-something odd people. So when those guys go out there and obviously play the way they did, it's rewarding to get a game ball, but it's more satisfying just to see those guys have the success because of some of the work, just some of the work that you've put forth. And, you know, I think I want to go a little deeper on that too. Anthony, because you're managing so many different types of people. You're reaching so many personalities. I covered Jalen Ramsey, for example, in Los Angeles, and he just absolutely is a rising tide that can lift all boats and such a unique individual. But you're also, you know,

you've got Callais Campbell, 38 years old, still doing the dang thing. And you've got just a bunch of players who are trying to show up and make plays for you and a lot of moving parts. So how have you in your first year in this role, how have you reached such a dynamic range of personalities and what communication levels and layers differentiate when you're trying to, for example, install something with a very experienced players such as those two I mentioned, but then also install something maybe complex with younger players, rookies, guys who are really trying to show up on the tape for you? Yeah. Well, to answer the first part of your question, I think my ability to kind of communicate and talked with a bunch of different type of people,

I think it's truly a product of just my, the way I grew up. I'm a very proud arm of rat. My dad was in the army for 21, 22 years, and my mother actually served for two as well. So we moved like every four years, and that kind of forced you to learn how to talk to people and kind of you couldn't be shy. Right.

And I think naturally by nature, I was a shy kid. but I knew that I couldn't be that way. Otherwise, I really just wasn't going to have many friends. So that moving around and kind of learning to kind of be personal and how to talk to people and develop relationships has absolutely benefited me in my coaching career. In terms of just installing and trying to talk to just the different players, you know, at whatever stage of the career they're in,

I think the one thing you never want to do as a coach is assume and take anything for granted. because I would tell the guys all the time, you're either growing or you're dying. So you try to make sure you hit the elementary things, absolutely. And you just want to make sure you hit every detail with the guys constantly. Because there might be one day where a vet may sit there like, oh, I've heard this a million times.

And there's something you said differently, and now it clicks different. And that's the difference between making a player, just missing a play. So constantly talking to guys. You can't assume anything, right? Cross every T, dot every T, every eye, and let's make sure we leave no stone in turn.

Yeah, I heard one of your players, Anthony Walker, described the defense as complicated for them, talking about the opponent, and simple for us, which I loved as a writer. Like, that is concise. Like, that is one of those phrases you could put up on the walls in Miami or whatever. You always see on hard knocks with the motivational phrases. That's good.

Complicated for them, simple for us. What does that mean to you? Yeah, that's the goal. That's ultimately the goal, right? I actually learned it from Rex Ryan. His philosophy was the kill philosophy, right? People used to have kiss, which was keep it simple, stupid. Well, we don't think anybody's stupid, so we apply to kill philosophy, which is keep the life and more learnable.

No, people just learn in a variety of different ways, right? You just got to figure it out. Every once in a while, though, there's kind of a dummy, though, right? It's life. It's human nature. You won't hear that from me. Yeah. So, so K-I-L, what does it mean?

and how do you apply it? Yeah, it means keep it likable and learnable. So the one thing, first and foremost, when guys walk into that meeting, we need, I want them to want to be there. I don't want them to dread coming to meetings. We've all had those jobs. We've all been in those classes.

Go back to college where you've had to go into the class and you're like, oh, God, I got to listen to this teacher again. That's the first thing I want to get rid of. I want guys to be excited walking in the building. And then we try to do anything possible to make sure the information that we give them is very digestible. So we try to be bold, brilliant, and brief, right? Because the attention spans for some of these guys nowadays, particularly in the iPhone age, like you just, you can't sit up there in lecture. So try very hard to create an environment that guys want to be in.

And then when we do present the information, we find a number of ways to try to give it to them so it retains and it hits them in the right. way. But how do you do that? You know, I spoke with, I know he won't mind me sharing this, when I spoke with Mike McDaniel right after he hired you, he said, A, he wanted somebody who could make the complex simple for players and communicate effectively and as a teacher and a teaching mindset, someone who could reach players who players wouldn't feel on guard around. That could really be open with you. But also somebody who was going to be installing and evolving what's coming next in defense in this league. And you have to walk that line in your role. Because you're always trying to look around the corner and evolve into what's next while teaching

something from the ground up. So what does that look like for you personally? And how do you keep pushing this system, this scheme, this philosophy forward while game planning week to week and also making sure no players left behind with what the baseline of the information is? Yeah. Well, I think that starts way back prior to training camp in the spring. When we install, we try to install concepts, right? So once you learn a curl flat drop, we try to teach everybody a curl flat drop and vice versa for a number of different things.

We don't just say, hey, this is cover three, this is what it is. And then we just kind of mix and match the people around, you know, manipulate coverages by half field and play with where we can. And the beauty in that is we have some guys with some pretty high football intelligence and football IQ. So we can kind of move people around seamlessly

and it goes back to what Walk said, where we can do things that look complex to the offense but are very simple for us. The other thing is just schematically in terms of like coverages and blitzes and coverage variation and things of that nature, we do a lot, okay? We do a lot. Now, we found a way in teaching that where, again,

it's simple for our guys because we teach so much part to hold, right? And then just in terms of trying to stay ahead of the trends because of that, like we go into the game plan with a very concise menu, but because we put so much on tape when you're an offense and you're studying us, you're like, oh, my, what are we going to see? Like, they do this, they do that. We're not doing that every week, right? We try to pare it down, obviously, by the opponent. And because you're understanding why offenses will try to attack certain parts of the field and try to manipulate space, but you're teaching players why they're doing the things that they're doing and why you're uploading this concept before you start to build pieces around. Do you find players to be empowered by that? I think a lot of players want to know why in this age of the league. That's the old, you know, the Belichickianism, right? You can teach a player how, but it truly becomes powerful and they know the why behind it. And we're always trying to preach that because obviously, like as coaches, you can see things one way, but they're the ones out there who are playing the game.

So I think as long as they understand big picture schematically what everybody around them is doing, that's going to enable them to decide when they can and can't take chances, right? They can take some educated guesses. I'm taking notes here, bold, brilliant, and brief. That's going to go up right behind us here. That would be better for podcast. So it's like, we're trying for the bold and the brilliant brief. I think both Jordan and I can both.

I struggle with the brief. We can both work on a little bit. I always am fascinated by players that made it to the NFL that want to be coaches because you know how a coaching lifestyle is in the NFL. And I guess maybe it's your background moving around it as a kid too. Like that gets you somewhat prepared. But knowing what coaches put into it, it feels like that's a special level of football sicko that wants to go from a good playing career

to a coaching career. Did you know you wanted to do that while you were playing? Yeah, I got to be honest. I absolutely did not. Right. Again, I grew up with Rex Ryan with my position coach when I first got in the league, and I would just hear nightmare stories about him sleeping in the office Monday and Tuesday. I'm like, oh, my God.

I'm like, Rex, like, it's just that I'm going to get a reach block, a downblock, a double team. Like, you were in the office that long for that? Like, what are you doing? But along the way, as I started, age, I was in Houston, and I was with some young players, right? Young Mario Williams, a Mobeah Coy, who was a heck of a player, but it was like 50 game out, playing in the league. So I kind of found myself in that coaching mentor role towards the end of my career. And I think that's when the light started to come on a little bit where he's like, you know,

what, maybe I can do this and just have some coaches along the way who, I mean, going back to my high school coach with Blais, Juliana, who were just tremendous influences and thought I could serve and help players in that manner to a game that's been incredibly good to me. It seems like, I mean, we can see it on your face as you talk to us, how important that last part in particular is, knowing what worked not just for you, but all the guys you're going to battle with every week and knowing what was important to them, what mattered to them. Some of those principles, you must self-talk a lot reminding yourself those types of things, what worked for you as a player and carrying them forward into how you run your ecosystem to

Yeah, I was, I was incredibly fortunate where I was around a bunch of coaches who I felt were in it for the right reasons, right? There was no selfish intent. They all worked in service, right? And they were just ultimately trying to get us better so that we can maximize our God-given ability in it. And I try very much to do the same thing, right? Selfishly, I'd love them win a Super Bowl, but everything else, man, I'm just trying to pour into these guys so that they can realize every one of their dreams. Yeah, one of the players that was in the league when you were in it? Is that possible?

Oh, yeah, for sure. Was Callais Campbell, who you're now coaching, who's actually not that much younger than you. I'm always shocked just from the outside that he sits out there in free agency every year, and then he just gets a one-year contract. And look, he's compensated very well. But compared to other players, younger players that are out there, every year he's one of the best, like, bargains out there. He comes into a team, and he helps change that team, and he's still playing at a ridiculous. ridiculously high level.

Seeing him and Zach Seeler out there together to me is part of your secret sauce. Certainly was a big part of that Rams win that you had. I just, I don't know, tell me something about coaching Callais Campbell and what that's been like. Oh, man. What an absolute joy, right? That guy, you talk about a guy who's the same guy every day, a consummate professional, just your, he's a force multiplier. There isn't a person he interacts with who isn't better as a result of that interaction.

So one of those things when I got the job, you know, you try to talk about the type of player you'd want by position and we're talking about the big end spot. And I'm like, I'm telling Chris and Mike, and I'm like, listen, I, Blais Campbell is out there. I'm like, oh, they're like, coach, he's 38 years old. Right. 38 years old. He's, you know, I'm like, I get it. I understand that. But just watch the tape.

He's certainly still playing at a high level. And what you can't get people to understand that haven't been around him is just how he makes everyone in the building better, not just on defense, but on offense with the coaching staff. He is just positively reinforcing everything you're trying to get done as a coach because he has the same goals. At this point in a career, there's nothing he hasn't accomplished. He's man of the year, pro bowls, all pros, all of those things. And he's chasing one thing. and that's winning in Super Bowl. So he's doing everything within his power to try to make that happen.

And obviously he makes life incredibly easy for me as a ball coach too. I love that. My first job I was running, I was interning for the Arizona Cardinals running quotes. And he always took me aside in the locker room. He would never remember this now and say, do you need anything? Are you okay?

And now to see him, he's just the exact same with, and that was, you know, I don't want to age myself, though I'm definitely younger than both of you and Koleas. Just to throw that out there. One thing, I know we're being so, you know, greedy with your time. I know, we've got to go, sued. But I did want to ask you, because, you know, this league is so driven by quarterbacks.

And as a defensive coordinator, you have to have this innate understanding of quarterbacks and how to attack them on your side, especially as that position evolves and changes. And you see a new wave of really young guys. And then you see Matthew Stafford. And you have to figure out how to confuse the heck out of him with some of the coverage and Sims that you were running in that game. How do you walk that line between, you know, know, strategizing toward the next wave, and then that all-out preparation of a game plan

against a guy who's seen it all. Yeah, yeah. You love it, right? You love the challenges week to week just based on who that guy is. I mean, a guy like Matthew Stafford will face Aaron Rogers here in a few weeks. There isn't a pressure or disguise that they haven't seen. So you're constantly just trying to put some indecision in their heads, and the majority of the time that's going to be with your rush, right, trying to get people at their feet

because they are a little bit up there in age. These younger guys, I tell you what, they run around. It's the play after the play most of the time with somebody's younger. You try to do everything you can't take away their first, hopefully their second read. But when that breaks down, you don't know what's going to happen after that. And then you just hold your breath and hope somebody on defense makes a phenomenal. Yeah, you got an interesting one this week, Drake May.

What are you seeing? What are you seeing there on tape? I think you see just that. You see a young player who's certainly developing confidence in his ability. He's certainly still trying to figure out the coverage, just variation of the league. But he has all the talent in the world. And at any point in time, he can pull the ball down and chewing up a rushing yards for about 20, 30 yards. So we always got to be cognizant of that, too.

Yeah, I want to own my biases. I grew up in Massachusetts. And so, you know. He told me before the show, he was like, I have to ask him about Trism. You've got to just see. It could be a fun. It's always been a fun rivalry. Dolphins, Patriots.

You're now part of it, at least for a couple games this year. I know you had coaching interview last year, so who knows how long you'll be in Miami, but obviously doing a great job with the Dolphins, and we appreciate your time, Anthony. Thanks for it. Thanks, guys. I appreciate you having you all. All right, that was Anthony Weaver. That was awesome, Jordan.

I love talking to him. He's great. What a great personality, great football mind. You had to get your Drake Mae question. which I loved. I know. I wanted almost to be a little more pointed like, hey,

you worried? It's kind of like an older secondary you got there. No, I don't know. We do need to put his slogan up on... Tackling this young buck in the open field. Do you think Jalen Ramsey would be very much up for that? I feel like he's probably just got a picture of him in his locker upcoming for that game.

Just, you know. That would be outstanding. Yes. And if, yeah, if you get a chance to see it on YouTube, just the smile, like the vibe. You can get a little bit of a vibe.

from someone in only 15 minutes. That's why they do those combine interviews with all the draft prospects. So you can see him as the type of person and he's already now had head coaching interviews. He had one with the Falcons last year in D.C. interviews that I'll be just kind of watching where it goes. You could see him

impressing an owner in that setting. And we're seeing kind of a trend. Former player. Not to get too off topic here, but if you look at who's leading the divisions right now, the coaches, it's a lot of not an offense guy. It's a lot of running the culture sort of guy or a defensive guy, you know, making the culture versus just like offensive play caller. So a lot of different ways to skin it.

Guys who played, guys who can kind of get inside the head of the player and sort of maximize potential. Certainly a shift from what was the sort of the dynamic there last year, although it's working out in Philly for everyone. So it's kind of a win-win win. Right, the third win being for us. People are going to look at the lines and like, oh, how did they do it? And that was a coach. I think it was more about building the culture and setting the tone, be able to reach play, not just like calling plays.

That was Anthony Weaver. That was a great week. You've obviously time traveled from Tuesday into this show. Appreciate everyone listening. We will be back on Friday with our pick show, Cynthia Freeland. I don't know if you've heard people talking about this, Jordan. The picks show is hot right now. So I hear.

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