NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Bunkercast IV: Tom Brady Goes South

Episode Date: March 18, 2020

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Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosethall. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. What a time to be alive. What an incredible time to be alive. I got a pep in my step, and I feel like everybody should because, man, it doesn't get any better than this. Well, I mean, there's a lot going on in the world where that might disagree. But I do admit, even as a Patriots fan, like a day this momentous in NFL history,

like, I'm loving it. I don't know. I still like it. Oh, please, Greg. I'm with you. I feel like we are beyond a thousand episodes at some point in this show. And have we ever had a news lineup equal to what we're about to get in? into today. It feels totally surreal some of the bullet points we will explore. What do you mean

oh, please? Because Dan, I've been pretty consistent on this podcast of how I was hoping it might end in New England and that the last thing I wanted was an ugly ending. And to me, this is about as close to a non-ugly ending as they were going to get. There's no injury. There's no dramatic fall off. There's not a ton of backbiting. Clearly, he's not like thrilled. And as a closet bucks fan for a while, like it's a fun landing spot where you can still root on Tom Brady, like no one's feelings are. Well, let me just say this. And I wish all fans could be the way you are. According to many people in New England, this is one of the darkest days in the city's history in terms of pro sports from what we're hearing from some outlets.

Erica barely got out of bed this morning. And I, you know, I just say let's, I would say just let's hit pause in terms of saying that there's not any bad blood. I have a feeling that with Tom Brady and the big news, obviously, that he is, he made an announcement on a social media, that he is no longer going to play for the New England Patriots. He's continuing his career elsewhere and reports that were serving. just as we came on the air today, and you might have the news official as a listener by the time you hit. We got it right now. Ian Rappaport, our guy is saying that he has agreed to terms,

like literally as we're starting taping for $30 million a season. Unbelievable. So Tom Brady and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are now officially a thing. And I believe two days ago said I would walk through Los Angeles and shake hands and give wet kisses to everyone in the city. So I will need to be quarantined very short. So I got a little bit of egg on my face on this. I guess I just never saw it coming. And Greg, I'm just wondering how this ends with Brady and the Pats. And what we'll do is why don't we kind of work from where things started today to where we are now,

that Brady uses his social media to drop the bombshell that it's over. Immediately you get statements from Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick filled with all the flowery praise that you expected. but I keep thinking of the Seth Wickersham piece from a couple years ago and all the buzz that's been around this team for the last couple years, two or three years about the relationship with Brady and Belichick and the Patriots. And I can't help but think that we're going to get whether it's another kind of Wickersham-esque profile or some one of these key figures will speak out eventually, although that's not really the Patriots way,

that it is shocking to me. It is stunning to me that they did not ultimately get a deal done. And this was the path they decided to take that Tom Brady and Robert Kraft, I think his exact quote, and I found this to be very interesting. Kraft told Mike Giardy of NFL Network that if Tom wanted to remain a patriot, we would have had a deal. I mean, there's so much intrigue to this, Greg.

And you just wonder if the whole story will ever come out. I imagine it will eventually, even if it's in a book 15 years from now. I think it will, and I think it'll be sooner than that. And it is intriguing. And of course, I think there's a lot of hurt feelings here. And there was a lot of animosity. And there was a big, you know, three, four year buildup to this happening. I'm not trying to downplay that.

Tom Curran spoke today on the Rich Eisen's show saying, Tom Brady got sick of waiting. And I think he wanted to see the love. He didn't feel the love from them money-wise or, respect-wise and the Patriots and I think Belichick were like waiting for them to make the first move. Crafts remarks that if you wanted to be here, he could be here, I think was the most disappointing thing about it. I'm just sort of when I say in the scheme of things, it could have been a lot uglier, I'm thinking about this two, three, four years now because ultimately

like his year or two or whatever it's going to be in Tampa isn't going to change the 20 years that he had. It's not going to change him, like, sending that tweet out with Patriot forever. And Bill Belichick is putting all that flowery stuff up. And in the long run, like, nothing's going to take that part away. And I think from both sides, it makes a lot of sense to break up. I know you would love to see them stay together if you're a Patriots fan. But the odds on him playing at a really high level much longer don't seem that high.

And it's almost like they tried to manage it in a way where they didn't have to get rid of him that he was going to be the one to leave himself after he got the picture that Belichick ultimately didn't want it. Because if they wanted him, they could have kept it. Give me a break on that. There was also a report that he was, that the final straw were the DeAndre Hopkins and Stefan Diggs trades, that he saw other teams being aggressive to upgrade their offensive weapons, and the Patriots did not. I mean, is that what it came down to? As simple as Tom Brady needed the evidence that the Patriots were going to do right by him in 2020.

I mean, it seems small in the big picture for what this relationship's all about. But maybe it is as simple as that that Brady knows that his time is short in this league. And if the Pats are going to go their organic Pats route, he's kind of done with it, especially if they're not going to give him $30 million, which the Bucks were willing to do. And the Pats seem like they were never going to pay. Tom Brady, and this is where, and you're going to call me out as a Pat's Hater, but this is where it's, it really does bother me as a football fan looking at the Patriots organization. They never were willing to pay Tom Brady top of the market dollars to be their quarterback.

And they did it right to the very end to the point where he decided to go out. But in the league for a number of years. Oh, but you know it, Greg. It's well documented. Tom Brady was the highest paid player in the league in 2010. It is, it is well documented. for years and even over a decade that that guy could have made much more money, but he worked with the team to let them build up a better roster around him.

And they never made right with him. And I think all that stuff is what's played into the fact that he's on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers now. That is ridiculous and it should have never happened. I mean, I can't even. It's sports. I do think it's okay to that like you accept that some things end in sports. Things don't have to be forever. Like, it's not Joe Namath on five knee surgeries or Dan Marino, like being, you know, a little, you have playing on mediocre.

His ugly year was 12 and 4. You know what I mean? Like, their ugly ending was 12 and 4 a year after they won the Super Bowl. To me, that's, it's about as good as you could hope for it. So why didn't it have to end? Mark, where are you on this? Well, I mean, I think you can't have it both ways if you're a Patriots fan. You can't prance around town telling everyone.

how Bill Belichick has an eye for talent and is unemotional and removes himself from previous star players earlier than other coaching staffs and other franchises do because he has a way of scouting that says this player is beyond the pale. I don't think that's necessarily the case with Tom Brady, but this is not the same Tom Brady of years past. And from another angle, I think that the emotional side of Tom Brady and the person that's always seeking new frontiers and new challenges. It's like the Hall of Fame put out a tweet about these small cast of characters that have even stayed with one franchise for 20 years.

It's guys like Jackie Slater. It's Daryl Green. It's Lou Groza. And it's Tom Brady. And I think at this point, like the same way you see with successful bands or even a show like this or something, if you go long enough, people are going to want to branch out and move on. And I think this was a organic.

Wait, what are you trying to say? Well, I'm saying it's, I think that this split between Belichick and Brady, and our job is to try to stir up what's the issue and the heat here. I think there's tremendous respect between Belichick and Brady, but I think they've come to a natural breaking point. And I think that's been obvious for weeks. This is not that surprising. Can we stop with the Tom Brady is just the same as Dantza High Tower or Dionne Branch or Dian Lewis?

He's there 20 years in. He's not the same. They moved on from half of those people. He's played a quarterback for them longer than any quarterbacks played for any team. I mean, that's the thing. But ultimately, he's being treated the same way. He's being treated the same way.

If there was one guy in the history of this franchise or of any franchise for any team that should have been treated differently, it's Brady, especially if the guy still showed he had something left. And I know he was slipping this past season. I just, I mean, we don't have to belabor this any longer. I just, I know I'm not alone on this.

Maybe I'm alone in this podcast. No, you're not. But, Dan, hold on. They did them dirty here. If you're waiting for the Seth Wickersham, you know, report slash novel, that means that you're acknowledging that there are large amounts of information that we don't have. And I don't think that we can just, I'm just like, I'm not ready to blast the Patriots or Brady at this point yet, because I'm not quite sure what the issue is here or what the breakdown was entirely. I feel like Tom Brady, as a person, like, wanted them to come rushing towards him. with an offer right away that didn't happen

and there's a lot of pride involved and I also think it's someone that's ready to move on from the Patriots. Is it all on the Patriots and not on Tom Brady? I don't think so. Personally. Well, there's also, and... To bolster Dan's point, the Patriot way, that cold calculating clinical way

to run your salary cap and to run your organization worked because of Tom Brady and him and Tim Duncan being the most selfless superstars in American sports of this generation and setting that tone where guys would come to the Patriots for far less money at the end of their careers, especially chasing rings,

set the tone that I'm going to take less money and I'm going to let Billichick coach me however he wants. I just think it's a new era now where that stuff might not work anymore without Tom Brady. Ricky, where are you at? I just don't even believe. Go ahead, Greg. No, I want to hear from Ricky. What do you think?

I just can't believe that we're even talking about this and we're starting a normal podcast like you guys do for the last six years, and you realize Tom Brady isn't on the Patriots. Like it is just such a, not to mention what's going on in our outside world, but what's going on on the inside of the, Dan, you better just stop smirking and shaking your head with happiness.

Like, you're so lucky we're not in the same room. Like, I would destroy you. Oh, yeah, because I've been so lucky and blessed as an NFL fan in my life. You know what? All you Patriots fans, including you, just get ready. You're about to be normal again.

You're not special anymore. And that is something, I say that you're going to think it is a taunting way, and maybe it is a little bit. But Brady made the Patriots special, just like Belichick. And like I said, yesterday's show is it's always going to be chicken or the egg. What's the reason why they became the greatest dynasty of all time? And it is shocking, to your point, Erica, that it's over. Like, it was going to end eventually.

And Tom Brady's dad has said it, West, you pointed it out before, that it was always going to end. badly. It is now ended. And now I think there is a bit of a shock and trauma to it. And it's amazing, like you're saying, Erica, that it's falling during this time where we are absolutely in a state of shock and trauma in the world. It's just all, it's all of one piece of a mad week and a mad stretch of life. It's, but he's, I guess the thing is the perspective that he is 42 years old, like never leaves me. It always had to end. Like, they won a sixth Super Bowl on his third straight trip to the Super Bowl.

You should probably quit the NFL. You should probably quit, too. What is 41? I don't have a job like Tom Brady. Luckily, like we see the people who are on our network. Like, they're ripe old age. Like, you can keep playing. That's one of the things that's crazy.

I guess it raised a question for me for sports fans. Like, Dan, like, what would ever be enough? Like, if you're saying the Patriots fans go back to normal, and to me, they don't because they got to experience these 20 years like what would ever be enough that sports achievement or enjoying the team you root for would fill the hole in your life where you would say like that was special that was great you know what I mean like yeah that they will be a normal team moving forward but it doesn't on some level like to me that's not important because they I the hit Patriots fans hit the jackpot and if they don't realize that now like they should they should wake up

like they hit a lottery of a player coach partnership that has never happened in the hundred years of the NFL and it was a beautiful thing to watch like if you can't appreciate that and like you need more like you're never going to be happy I think most people will Greg but it's also the day of and like you just said Rappaportress confirmed it that it was like I'm not looking at this right now being like oh yeah I had a great 20 years my entire life rooting for sports is now completely changed like I think that Patriots fans are a to feel totally like heartbroken over this. Yeah, I was at Trader Joe's and there was like this line of four billion people

with their little shopping cards waiting for the store to open. And there was this woman on her cell phone shouting about the fact that because Brady, she basically said if he is not with the same team forever, there is no way he can be the goat. And she's just shouting into her phone at someone who's probably stationed on the East Coast in Massachusetts. The one thing, Greg, I mean, I appreciate that Greg is not your typical annoyance. Patriots fan. You're not. You're seeing it from a whole different pair of eyes than most people,

but you have to acknowledge, Greg, that your Patriots fandom is on an island that is so far away removed from the central land where most New England fans live and exist and what they're feeling today. And I appreciate your also somewhat calculated icy approach to this. But a lot of Patriots fans, and I can think of my little nephews who live out there who are heartbroken today, they're not over it two minutes after Ian Rappaport announces the news and neither is Erica who like she came into the Tom Brady experience at a totally different point in time than you did or someone of a seven year old. I I don't think it's cold and calculated. Not a lot. Well, okay, but it's but what I was something. What is very different. I know it's different than most Patriots fans

in it and everything and it's partly because we work in this and all that. But part of it is Also, I'm a Tom Brady fan, and I am going to root for him on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and I am a football fan, and I am intrigued to see what happens in the 2020 season. And if I was trying to come up with a fun place to go watch Tom Brady play some football, and I want them to win, I would have, like, it wouldn't have come to my mind first, but I love Chris Godwin and Mike Evans and Bruce Ariens and O.J. Howard, and like the idea of watching him do this and I'm going to root like for the Patriots far more obviously

though I'm going to be more emotional about it but I'm going to love Tom Brady forever too and it's kind of a fun like thing to think about for the next season that all makes sense and I hear everything you're saying on that I think a good parallel for me anyway was Derek Jeter and the Yankees another guy played for 20 years he won five rings he was a legend for the Yankees the way Brady is for the Patriots and I thought there was something good that he stayed there the whole time.

Even when he was no longer the same player, he was in that cocoon where the fans loved him no matter what. He got to go out on his terms, waving, walking off the field in the uniform. You lose that aspect of the end of his career. And yes, sports are the way sports are. Very few guys get to write their own ending and it gets to end that way. Jeter was that type of player in baseball. And to me, Brady was that guy.

If there ever was a guy in football that should have been able to go out that way with the team always taking care of him and the fans getting to say goodbye knowing that the end was officially there and that's just never going to happen. And I think that's part of the reason a lot of people in New England and elsewhere across the world as Patriots fans are upset. I said

a couple of weeks ago that he reminded me of Michael Jordan and Muhammad Ali where they're the only guys who really stack up against him as far as accomplishments and renown and legend. And those guys are the exact same way. They needed that extra challenge at the end of their

careers and Michael Jordan went and played for the Wizards. He regretted it. Muhammad Ali went and fought against Michael Spinks or Leon Spinks and then against Larry Holmes and got his butt kicked and regretted it and head health issues. And Tom Brady may regret this and he may not, but I think he definitely needed that challenge. And part of it is the ego and the pride that drives you throughout your career. And now it's, hey, if you don't want me enough, look what I'm going to go do somewhere else. Well, this is. That's understandable to me. That is. And I get, yep, I totally see that as well. It's obviously a fascinating NFL story. And it makes the 2020 season all the more exciting to look forward to. I don't know how the, Greg, maybe you know you seem to be good with remembering the stuff, whether the Bucks were somehow on the Patriots schedule with the out of conference games. No, next year, next year they are, not this year, but they have, it's Drew Brees twice. It's Aaron Rogers. There's a cast of characters. They're going to put the bucks. They're going to get the full. treatment. We talked about this on NFL

a number a couple weeks ago. Which team is going to suddenly win the offseason? It would be all these flowery drapings put over them. They're going to put the bucks on five or six primetime games. And my concern is that they could be five and eleven. You will see how this works out, but there are some juicy

quarterback matchups for Tom Brady. No doubt. I think the bucks will be good. According to Rappaport, like I said, 30 million approximately per season. And it is likely a two-year pact. So he gets the multi-year deal. Essentially, he gets very close to the Drew Breeze deal, which we'll get to in just a little bit. But Tom Brady is joining the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It's a new era in football. Sorry, Ricky. I understand why Aryans would do this for football

reasons, but I think there's also a part of it. The first thing I thought of was this man's memoir is titled QB Whisperer. His portfolio is Peyton Manning, Big Ben, Andrew Luck, Carson Palmer. Now you throw the chance to work with Tom Brady in there. This guy is the ultimate connoisseur of quarterbacks, and nobody has a track record like that. Find another coach who's worked with that many legends. Bruce Ariens, yes.

That is another fun angle of all this, because to Ariens' credit, he kept a clear mind, and he made a decision at a certain point that I'm not going down with the James Winston ship. I'm just not going to do it. And he's decided now, he obviously got in concert with Jason Light, and they made it happen to get a deal done to bring in Tom Brady. And that's going to be fun to see.

It will be different, though, right, West? This offense, which with Winston was all just air it out, go crazy, throw the ball up for grabs. Sometimes the receivers get it. Sometimes they don't. The offense is probably going to be operating a little different with 43-year-old Brady. Well, and Greg will be the first one to tell you this, that James Winston might be the most underrated quarterback

as far as escapability and being nimble in the pocket. James Winston got that offensive line out of a lot of trouble last year, and I think if there's one big concern outside of Brady's, for me, pocket movement, is Bruce Arian's offenses, traditionally, chuck it down the field. Winston averaged two and a half more yards per attempt than Brady did last year. So I know we think that Brady's going to bring his offense in and run whatever he wants. I'm sure a large part of that is true. But I do think it's fair to wonder how he's going to fit in this offense at the same time,

realize he's going to have a lot better talent around him than he did last year in New England. Well, I'd say if Bruce Ariens, and I agree that his book should be titled quarterback whisper, he seems like one of the people that you could, that would be an appropriate title for your self book. What about booze, salami, and pigskin? That feels like a good Bruce Arias book title. That would be a juicy follow-up. But if he is a quarterback whisper, won't he be looking to concoct an offense

that fits where Brady's physical skill set is? It's like if every jabroney on Twitter can tell you that Tom Brady can't throw deep anymore, I would assume that if that's the case, that Bruce Ariens will see that too. I mean, he's going to have to probably break out of his mold. the thing I love about Arians was that he let Big Ben for long stretches of time in a row call his own plays and be a big part of the Steelers' offense.

And they got along so well because of the freedom he gave his quarterback. I would have to assume if you're going to give someone like Big Ben, who doesn't strike me as a deep intellectual, the ability to do that, that Tom Brady will be afforded such luxuries. What do you mean? You don't think he has a great memoir coming out where he's highly eloquent and teaches us? me that way. No, I understand. The other nugget, the one little, like the bizarre nugget that came out was that, you know, this is not a report coming from like the four or five people you'd link to at

this point, but that Antonio Brown, who was, you know, a pupil of Bruce Ariens and his friends with Tom Brady may ultimately be part of this team down the road. Sounds crazy today, but that's been out there today. I saw that too. That may be a rehab. Mark, what you saw. Yeah, I saw that too. West, How do you feel about that? I'm most afraid to ask. Wes loves it. Well, he hasn't here. Here's the reason why he may be allowed to play is that while there has been some police

incidents during his time away from the game and obviously he's been a bonehead of the highest degree, I don't know if there's been any serious charges or anything that would potentially keep him off the field for a long time. All that needs to be sorted out, obviously. But it could be a situation where he is able to play. play sooner than perhaps you would think? Or it could be a situation where he faces a long suspension once the NFL finally has a reason to hand down discipline when somebody signs him.

Right. And we don't have a huge reason to trust this source at this point. And anyways, do we? Well, we mentioned that. We're just saying that it was a juicy little thing floating. We like juicy things floating through the hemisphere. Yeah, there's a lot that's juicy. The biggest concern is, like, I don't know, being away from that offensive line seems like worrisome.

He makes offensive lines look better, but that to me would be the big worry going to Tampa, like just looking at the... And since the Patriots, and we'll have time to dig into what's next for the Patriots in a Tom Brady free world, but now that Tom Brady's not there and they're obviously going to go into an extended period, two or three decades of just not being competitive. How about we untag Joe Tooney and let him go sign with the Jets like it was supposed to happen? I feel like that's another takeaway from today that people should be talking about. Keep talking then. You're not going to get a lot of feedback for muscle men. You're not excited for Jared Stidham to lead 16 AFC East titles in the next 20 years.

We'll see about that. There is another big time Hall of Fame quarterback on the move officially. Philip Rivers agrees to a one year, 25. million dollar deal with you knew who it was going to be the Indianapolis Colts the two sides are in agreement and he ends

his long storied career with the Chargers not quite as storied as Tom Brady's with the Patriots he never won a Super Bowl but he had a long run of great play with the Chargers in San Diego and then L.A. But now he joins the Colts team

and since the beginning West this was presented as a great landing spot for Philip Rivers, a veteran quarterback who is very cerebral that may not have the same physical tools he once had, but he could join a gifted play call like Frank Reich playing behind an excellent, perhaps the best offense line in football that you might be able to get another year or two of really top play. And now it's all come together and it's going to happen. Yeah, you know, much like Tom Brady, another player in the gradual decline phase of his career. We saw it last year with Rivers. His interceptions went.

way up. His touchdown percentage went way down. And a lot of that was because for portions of the season, he was playing behind the worst pair of tackles in the league, the least effective pair of tackles in the league, throwing a lot of balls up for grabs to compensate for that line. So it's an open question, how much is the Colts offensive line, which is not only the strength of their team, but now the personality of their team, how much is that going to help and how much is it going to help to go back to Frank Reich and Nick Siriani, guys, he's had a lot of success with and that's to me the two differences between him and brady the offensive line is without a doubt of strength with the coolts and he's already played in this

offense he's already familiar with these coaches i can't imagine him like getting a better spot philip rivers i think of as a guy who's had pretty bad luck of the of what's happened around him throughout his career but he he's making up for it a little bit here like he got incredible luck that this opportunity was just sitting there for him like he could not have created a better, you know, situation unless it was in San Diego. I mean, like, I did not think, and as someone who's always rooted for Rivers to have his kind of great late career moment, I would, after what happened last year in the decision making that he had, I would not have thought he could have landed on a team that you could squint and see as a

F.C contender this year. And I think Rivers can play well enough for them to be an AFC contender. Like, He lucked out. I would argue that he might be a better fit for the Bucks than Tom Brady and for Bruce Ariens' offense than Tom Brady. The cults are not, they don't have an embarrassment of riches in terms of the weapons around him, but he'll be protected and they're a seem like a tough, rugged team. And then you look at that division and say the Jaguars have fallen off a cliff. The Texans are ostensibly selling away their best players for, you know,

bags of salt. So there is a chance that would be my one question about the cults here. Everything else seems to be trending in the right direction. But Ty Wylton's on the wrong side of 30. Really struggled to stay on the field last year. Paris Campbell, you know, you could

get excited about him perhaps. But they also now don't have a first round pick because of the DeForest Buckner trade. So the idea that they would be able to then take that premium draft pick in the first round and maybe add another wide receiver. That is not an option as of now. So that would be the only thing that I would look at and be like is Rivers have a

supporting cast to light it up. But ultimately, I think it's a great move for both sides. T.Y. Hilton's healthy now and Paris Campbell is a good talent. Like, that doesn't bother me too much. This team has drafted. Well, Zach Pascal came on last year. They got Jack Doyle. I think they're fine there. Remember, first half of last year, before their wide receivers got injured, they were winning almost every week. It makes you wonder what's up with the Kobe Brissette moving forward. there's a million Patriots rumors out there right now, and one of them is, you know, would they bring Jacoby Brissette back as a possibility?

I do like when the team go, like, completely opposite. Yeah, I don't want that one. When the teams go completely opposite, like Brissette is very careful, Rivers, he doesn't care. Like, he's going for it, whereas the Bucks are going completely opposite from James Winston to, like, the most careful quarterback in the league and Tom Brady.

In other massive quarterback news, the Carolina Panthers are signing Teddy Bridgewater to be their new quarterback. The deal is expected to come in at around $20 million a year, over three years from Rapsheet. Teddy Bridgewater is the quarterback of the Panthers. So what does that mean? What about Cam Newton? What about what about Combine Week when everybody was telling us that they were expected to move forward with Cam, their one-time superstar MVP? well guess what rap sheet also reported Tuesday that the panthers granted cam newton permission to seek a trade uh the discussion came the decision became came after a discussion between the organization and the qb's agents now that's not

where the drama ends cam newton with his absolutely bizarre hieroglyphic uh font style that he uses on social media i can't believe he's still doing this this man is over 30 years old he's got children use real letters. Use the English language. Use any language, but not your own. Had this to say, stop with the wordplay. I never asked for it. There is no dodging this one. I love the Panthers to death and will always love you guys. Please do not try and play me or manipulate the narrative and act like I wanted this. You forced me into this love. Cam Newton unhappy about the end of his time with Carolina and perhaps more specifically how the Panthers have gone about it. And now we have to see whether he draws trade interest or not.

There is a lot of sentiment, and Steve Weish talked about this on the network today, that nobody's going to trade for him until he can pass a physical, and nobody can even take a physical right now. There's concern, my brother, Nick Wessling, texted me and said, why doesn't a team high in the draft just go ahead and take a gamble on Cam Newton and then draft one of these young guys with the pick and have their bases covered? And I think people, to me, it reminds me of where Andrew Luck was in 2017. and 18 where you just have no idea how it's going to affect his future, the arm injury,

and whether he's going to throw the same or not. So I think as much as people doubted whether Andrew Luck would ever play again, he came back, and even in that first game or two, we were doubting it, he came back and ultimately was fine. We just don't know which version of Cam Newton we're going to get. I thought this news was as jarring as the Brady News, because the Brady News was coming at us for weeks and weeks. And you knew that a split it was definitely one of the potential possibilities. The Rivers News, obviously, has been out there forever. This is a team that's been telling us, even as recently as a couple weeks ago,

that they're all in on Cam Newton. And I thought one of the more stinging reports of the day were the reports of what Cam Newton, what his reaction was when he found this out. I think he was totally blindsided by it. And this is a guy that I definitely at times have been annoyed by. The Cam Newton experience is not always something that is easy to sign up for. But if you watch that All or Nothing series with the Panthers, I had a totally different opinion of what Cam Newton meant to this team

and to the whole area and the region and where he's been for a decade plus. And this split is about as messy as it gets because I think that he's dealing with a new coaching staff and a new group of people that did not play straight with him. I know Cam Newton's not Tom Brady and Mark, you hit it on the head. This was like the ugly, messy ending that would have been like a nightmare for something like this to happen with Brady in the Patriots because the Panthers' statement that they're trying to trade him. Not only did Cam Newton not like how it was positioned, it was just like an announcement

that his career is over there. They said literally in the statement, thus ending his career with the Panthers. And I was thinking like, well, why don't you just cut him? I mean, like, they are going to cut him. That statement was an announcement that we are prepared to cut. I did hear some things before the combine that they were trying to trade him and that they couldn't get anyone interested. And then I guess they decided to put a public face that they're going to keep them

because they didn't know how things were going to go or not. But basically, once they got to hear today Tuesday, and they were happy to get Teddy Bridgewater under. contract it was like okay now we're now we're done with cam and if if we don't get a fifth round pick for him we'll just cut him in a couple days and at this point because of the uh points uh you made west about the medical i think he's going to get cut because if you're a team like teams out there but the bears the patriots and the chargers come to mind like why not just wait for him to get cut and then and then figure out what's next with him he's in a very difficult situation here

because like we're saying with the medical stuff, he needs to prove now to a team, either a team that would trade for him unlikely or once he becomes a free agent, that he's healthy. And the way things are set up now with the world and the coronavirus is when does that happen? When are,

when is he able to have a workout where he's able to throw? I mean, maybe there are situations where that it can end up working out. Maybe things change the way things are in the world right now, uh, three weeks from now or a month from now or eight weeks from now. or eight weeks from now. But it seems like just by the natural, the way things are with the schedule of the NFL and how teams are going about having to fill their roster,

that he could be put in almost an impossible situation where he could be a free agent still when teams are ready to go to camp because they couldn't wait for him. They had to make a move. Yeah, this feels like something that could play on throughout the offseason. And the off season, depending on what happens with the coronavirus,

could extend into what, September? Who knows? Don't know. And now you look back to what the Panthers are going forward. They are going to go with Teddy Bridgewater, who is not only now come all the way back from that catastrophic knee injury, he's now getting paid like a real NFL starting quarterback. That's what he's going to be for the Panthers.

Mark, I feel a little bit apprehensive about whether this team is going to get what they are expecting from Teddy Bridgewater. I'd love to be wrong. Everybody loves Teddy. But he's getting a lot of money to be their guy. I'm with you. Teddy Bridgewater, the story is great. No one would debate that. I'm not convinced on any level that it's an upgrade. I don't believe it's an upgrade over a healthy Cam Newton. I'm also a little bit at this point beguiled by what the overall Carolina Panthers team building process is here. Because we've heard reports that everyone from Christian McCaffrey to whoever else, is available for trade. So is Teddy Bridgewater going to be overseeing a deep cut rebuilding scenario? Is that what he's going to have to wade through as a starting quarterback?

And maybe they thought that Cam Newton was not going to want to sign up for that. I just, you know, I don't know. If I'm a Panthers fan, I don't feel that the quarterback position got better. And I'm probably tougher on than Teddy than some. But I just, to me, it's not, it's a downgrade. Nobody threw shorter passes in the entire NFL than he did when he used. filled in for Drew Breeze. And part of that is just trying to survive your quarterback going out, but it's also telling about what he has as his skill set. And I understand why the Panthers

would get a guy like Teddy, who's a game manager. You get the ball into the hands of McCaffrey and DJ Moore and Curtis Sam. You'll let him do things after the catch. I get that. But you give away Cam Newton's upside, whatever it is at this point, I don't know. For a guy who's a game manager, that's tough for the fans to swallow. I just get the feeling that maybe this is a tear down for tear down's sake with a new owner and it's this whole idea they have a new owner a new coach we want everything new and that's why i don't know we we haven't had any like serious reporting i don't think about christian mcalfrey being on the block but are we kidding me this guy's 24 and has had as good a start to a career as a running back as anybody in 25 years so he's on the block too but what

because he's not from this current regime the whole thing is just a little bit dicey to me if i was a Panthers fan, but they are determined to start things over their way. Well, I think the whispers that we are hearing are that they're going to try to straddle the line between a pure rebuild and trying to stumble their way into competing. So I think they're going to try to, you know, through that eye of the needle, but we'll see. I think one important thing for Bridgewater is that he played under Joe Brady, who's their offensive coordinator. Joe Brady was a Saints assistant in 2018. And so he saw Teddy Bridgewater up close.

And the offense that they want to run is kind of an offense predicated on a point guard style type of player. Now, Joe Burrow would be the best case scenario of that. But that is what Teddy Bridgewater is, is like a wide open, hopefully if you're a Teddy Bridgewater fan with a little bit of upside. And I think his contract has been misunderstood. To me, that's not big time starting quarterback money. That is actually Bridge quarterback money. That's Tyrod Taylor, what he got in Cleveland money, but just updated for NFL inflation three years later.

And I don't think it's going to be a lot of guarantees. And I wouldn't be surprised at all if Teddy Bridgewater is competing with a top 10 pick at the position come September. We will see how it all plays out. In other quarterback news, I mentioned it. Drew Brees and the Saints, they officially put pen to paper on a, two-year contract worth roughly 50 million per sources informed of the situation

till rap sheet. This was never a situation, never any doubt here. Now the only question, Greg, is whether Drew Brees sees the amount of snaps as he's seen in the past or with Taysam Hill, who just got the first round tender, is really going to take a bite out of his playing time. That is, I think, as we get closer to week one, assuming there is a week one, as we get closer to that. That's what everyone's going to be talking about about this team.

It's going to take on a life. Well, that assumes that Taseom Hill isn't your starting quarterback for the New England Patriots come week one. Some whispers about that. A lot of assumptions. That would be a fun story plotline for this podcast. Well, I always said I would believe that Drew Brees would take less than market value when I saw it, and now I've seen it because he took $4 or $5 million less than Ryan Tannow.

That's a shock. Take that, Greg. what can I do good good job i drew brief i guess uh anybody else have any comments on breeze i feel like we all saw that coming and he's locked and loaded and that's how you take care of an all-time great you don't let him out the door like he's just another guy same old same old right i appreciate any quarterback narrative minus endless drama at this point and this one came and went uh like very nice very nice and smooth that's how i like it this time around the raiders needed to get better on defense, and they made a big, took a big step in that direction, signing former Rams linebacker

to a three-year deal where 36 million rap sheet reported base salary of 11.75. So he goes from L.A. to Vegas gets a big pay bump. He was playing on a one-year deal for $3 million last year. But he really jumped out. In fact, he was where we are now, Chris Wessling, or where we were entering today. he was up to number seven on the free agent top 101 scientist list. So this feels like a good get for Bruton. I love this linebacker pairing. They set up Nick Kikowski, who's better against the run. And Corey Littleton, who's great against the past, great special teamer.

This is a defense where I think we've been waiting as long as we've done this podcast for them to get an impressive front seven. And they are finally working on one. They also sign Malik Collins from the Cowboys. They signed Carl Nassib, who flaskin. for the Buccaneers the last couple of years. They added Jeff Heath from the Cowboys at Safety. They are finally adding some NFL starting talibre talent to their defense. I'd add also that you're going to get Jonathan Abram back at safety

and the little window of time that we saw him in the early part of the preseason. I thought he looked great. And you can see Mike Mayock and his ability to, it's not just be on TV and tell us which players should go where in the draft. He's able to slowly build a cohesive defense. And I look at the Rams, flip side, and say, how many more players can leave the Rams at this point? I mean, there's a bunch of signings.

They have X Rams. They weren't all there last year, but that are no longer in Los Angeles. And there's rumors that a variety of offensive players on the Rams are available, too. That is a team that's sneaky close to looking totally different than they were in the past in the wrong way. Looks like they're being aggressive in the sense that they are looking. to turn the page and they got to the Super Bowl after a nice two or three year run and now they are looking to perhaps maybe not tear it down,

but remodel the whole thing. Silver reported earlier this week on Monday that both Todd Gurley and Brandon Cooks are on the market, depressed assets as they are. But as we saw it David Johnson yesterday, that doesn't mean those guys can't be moved if you get the right guy on the GM app. Aren't too many of those GMs, but one was hit up yesterday. on the app. That's true. In other news, you know, it's good to be a cowboy, even an ex-cowboy, because it seems like when you go to the Cowboys, it has a habit of getting you paid,

even if it's not the Cowboys doing it. We saw it with Randall Cobb getting a nice deal from the Texans after the New Hopkins trade yesterday. And Robert Quinn, he gets a big deal with the Chicago Bears. The Edge Rusher is signing a five-year, $70 million deal with. with the Chicago Bears, this from Rappaport and Tom Pelliserro, 30 million fully guaranteed. He'd kind of fallen off the radar playing with the Dolphins, but he landed with the Cowboys last year, had 11 and a half sacks, 34 tackles, two force fumbles and 14 games, and then he gets a payday out of it. Wes, you like this signing? I was surprised how much money he got, but that has nothing to do with the way he played last year.

We're used to him coming into September, having a great first. month and then sort of gradually declining as the season goes on and last year he was great from the minute he stepped on the field until the end of the season he was explosive first step just like he had early in his career and he had 11 a half sacks and still missed a few games this guy was relentless as a pass rusher the bears the calil mac uh robert quim pairing is very intriguing for them they do lose leonard floyd but they upgraded there Greg maybe um Greg, maybe Robert Quinn will be somebody that helps Khalil Mack who had a bit of a down year by his standards, put a better guy on the edge, and maybe that will lead to Mac regaining his dominant ways. If I'm a Bears fan, I'm not loving this offseason.

You sign Jimmy Graham to good money and you sign Robert Quinn to superstar money. Quinn, it's coming off a great year, but if you look at the last five years, he's averaged about 500s max and about seven sacks per season. And he has back troubles. Yeah, I'm with Greg. I think that Chicago's offseason has to be at this stage right now. You look at what's happened this week, a directionless drift into darkness. I'm not sure what this team is doing. Sessler loves it.

They're giving the fan base no hope. And if you're going to try to go, you're going to try to solve all your issues by at some stage signing some need to hear. No, no. No, that's fine. I don't have a problem with Robert Quinn, but what is a Bears fan thinking about the overall team right now? I would be very concerned. Robert Quinn does not allay the concerns with what's happening overall

with this general manager who feels outclassed by, you know, where would you run in the general manager rankings right now? No, I think it's absurd. You're an internet mad. It's year 88 in a row. All right. Well, they were one of the best teams in the league a year, a season ago. They maybe could get things back on.

Correct. However, Greg, you just made the point. They make so much sense to be a team that takes a gamble on Cam Newton and see if it works out. And if it doesn't, you just start over at the position. I like that, Greg. Well, if you look at quarterbacks, who's left? Cam, Dalton, if you want to throw for set and James. And there's only like three teams that really need on the Chargers and the Patriots and I would throw the Bears in there. Don't forget Gino, Greg. I mean, Gino, Gino, Week 1, Patriot starter. How about that? Oh, my God. That would be amazing.

And on the subject of the Bears, who the Mark hates with an unholy passion, they released. I like their fans. I feel bad for their fans. I don't think they're being treated fairly as a fan base. Released former first round pick Leonard Floyd, cutting him loose before his fifth season.

He had seven sacks. as a rookie, but it is not really happened for Floyd. So that was a whiff by Bears management. In other news, the Chargers, you know, Jim Trotter, very serious man, Jim Trotter. And he's a man that when he reports something, you know that it's going to happen. He said on NFL Network airwaves,

right as the Brady stuff was going on, that Tom Brady took the Chargers out of the mix because he wants to stay east and he wanted to stay close to his son. who's younger, he's young, and Brady didn't want to be on the left coast. So the charges instead have to settle for Brian Bulaga, who signs a three-year, $30 million deal, a move that Mark is going to make their offensive line better.

They needed to do that. But they're another team now. When you look at where they're at, I do not want to hear. I don't want to get a something. You know how Mitch Trubisky and the Bears get your goat, Mark? I don't need to hear Tyrod Taylor is a. the guy they actually believe in throughout the summary entering week one. They got to do better than that guy.

I'm sorry. And Tyron's a nice guy and a very good backup. But please do not tell me that he's a guy they're comfortable with as their starter. I'm with you 100%. I would pair the Brian Belaga signing with Trey Turner and say they've helped a critical weak spot on their roster by this offseason so far. But this is not in 1976. We are not reading, you know, two paragraph chargers updates.

two times a week in the newspaper. You can't snow us over with Tyrod Taylor chit-chat. You've got to address the position. Otherwise, savvy fans know that the season is a lost cause and you're going to be having the same conversation next March, assuming that there is a next March with what's happening in our world right now. Big assumption. I like that.

I like, that's a good point that it was much easier to pull the wool over a fan base's eyes in 1976 than it is now. You've got to have answers. Fans are savvier. Well, plus the Chargers fans thought they were maybe getting Tom Brady. They were basically the one team that went all in on Tom Brady and they didn't get them, which for the fans that are out there are probably disappointed. Speaking of Over the Hill tight ends, still getting paychecks,

Jimmy Graham got paid with the Bears and Jason Witten. He's still an active NFL player because he comes to terms on a contract with the Oakland Raiders. It's a one-year deal rap sheet reported, the Los Angeles. Vegas Review Journal. First reported the deal. So the Raiders add the 37-year-old who got in the end zone a few times, four times for the Cowboys last year, but we continued to get slower and slower. But now he's reunited a little, Greg, a little bit of a Monday night football reunion here of X NFMNF booth dudes, Gruden and Witten. I'm not looking forward to the press conference when they're just like, we wanted to bring in a real man.

to show these raiders what being a real football player is all about. We're going to pay $4.5.3. We do not need, I don't need Mike Mayock to tell me that they now have another coach on the field. I don't, you know, it doesn't do much for me. Do you guys want to do a little 12, 8 o'clock to light? Please. Why not? Let's do it, Ricky.

The 49ers resigned safety Jimmy Ward to a three-year, $28,000. a half million dollar contract. He struggles to stay healthy, West, but he can ball. Coming off his best season, I think, he was, you know, their front seven got all the credit for them, but he was one of the better safeties last year. The dolphins agree with ex-Eagles running back Jordan Howard. So a team, Mark, you made a good point on Twitter. One of the strangest seasons ever, the 2019 Dolphins leading Russia, Ryan Fitzpatrick,

Jordan Howard, well, he's a guy. Well, it's, yeah, we will see other teams, especially, with the way the quarterback position is where a quarterback leads the team in rushing, but we will go a thousand generations before an NFL quarterback leads the team in rushing with 243 yards. Hopefully they can improve on that next year. Mark, tough situation for the Blauards, because Chase Daniel has reached an agreement with the Detroit Lions on a three-year

13 and a half million dollar deal that includes avoidable clause. That is some saucy backup money. Blowhard, he gone. Well, very trying morning for the blouhards, and there was a couple of conference calls on just, you know, how do we deal with this going forward. But they, the Lions also turned around and chopped Kyle Sloder off the roster. So the Blowhards are safe for now in one of the NFL's highest, most intriguing organizations, the Detroit Lions. Greg. There's a brand of veteran backup quarterback that straddles the line between, we hope he never has to play, yet we're still going to give him four million.

million dollars. And Matt Schaub and Chase Daniels are sitting pretty right there. They nail it. Greg, Ryan Shazir has been moved to the reserved, retired list by the Steelers. That points toward the end of his career. He's valiantly come back from that back injury. But his goal of getting back on the field seems like a long shot. Yeah, that's disappointing. I think if I'll take this moment to just remember Ryan Shazir, like what he was like as a player. I think people forget what a dynamic, speedy, instinctive, just fun linebacker he was to watch when he was healthy. DJ Reeder and the Bengals agree on a four-year $53 million contract. Wes, what is going on?

They also signed Trey Waynes. The Bengals are spending money. Well, the Bengals have been drafting these, like, refrigerator-sized nose tackles in the mid-rounds the last few years, and none of them have panned out. So they go get DJ Reader, who's one of the best in the NFL at it. The Trey Wayne's one blew my mind. I think that is the one where I saw the contract terms and thought, the Vikings have been trying to hide this guy for four years, and the Bengals want to give him $14 million a year.

Thomas Davis to the Redskins, Vic Beasley, to the Titans, Joe Schober to the Jags, Blake Martinez to the Giants, Mario Addison to the Bills, David Anyamatta to the Saints and Darquies-Denard, headed to the Jaguars. oh my goodness, 8 o'clock to light complete. Wes. Hey, congrats to Dave Gettleman for putting together that Packers linebacker core.

Just champion. Got to do it. Got to do it. Wes, how about now? Let's now take some stock in what's happening. It is a new era for the NFL. Tom Brady is no longer a patriot. Everything is different in the AFC.

The Bengals have the number one overall pick and a generational talent, potentially walking in that door. Free agency, we're being told that this is a new way of doing business in Cincinnati. They are signing players. They're looking to improve that offensive core, sneaky, not too bad. Are you in? Are you getting close to in? You're thinking about being in?

Are you looking down on your family members back in the Midwest? Where you at? This is the first time a thought has been put in my head that this would be like an opportunity to get in. It had not occurred to me that this is something that I would do. I think of them the same way I always do with a little bit of bemused detachment, hoping that they lose every week. You know, Wes, I just, you know, I have to hit the drum on this one again.

You have people that you love in the Midwest, in the Cincinnati area, and on the west side of Cincinnati where you grew up, who when they wake up in the morning on football Sundays, they pull on their jerseys and they put on their caps, and they have a great day when the Bengals win. And yet you, due to some rigid sense that you were wronged by this football team that doesn't really know who you are, you want them to lose and, in effect, make your family and the people that you love unhappy. I just doesn't check out the logic.

Well, most of the people I love and my family and friends there, they're not chumps. So they got out somewhere along the way over the last 30 years when it became obvious that the move was to get off the ride. And the other ones have enough going on in their life where the Bengals, they're like, their happiness does not rest on what the local football team does. So they'll be fine. It's even... I love that we've had this conversation 487 times and the result has not moved one inch. Nothing is changing.

And you know what? I'll never stop. I feel like because Tom Brady is now finally out of the AFC East, this is Dan's great white way. You know what? You might be right. And, you know, it's especially cold-blooded to hear West reply in that way while he's wearing giant reflective aviators.

It just makes you seem like an, like the T-1000 assassin from Terminator. I want blood. Coming for it. All right. So, Ricky, I want to, before we sign off, I just want to tee you up one more time. I heard one thing on NFL Network where they were playing some radio call-ins. from W-E-E-I, which is the big station or one of the big stations up there for sports talk radio.

And one especially angry New England fan said, hey, Patriots, I want to remind you that this was a Red Sox town before Tom Brady came and you just signed your death warrant that it's going to be a Red Sox town. Do you think, do you think, do you think, do you think Ricky Hollywood that New England fans will ever love the Patriots the way they did during the Tom Brady era? You think it will essentially be a 20-year period of time and then it will go back to the way it used to be? Or did Tom Brady and Bill Belichick change things forever in New England about how that team is seen? I think it'll take a little while to bounce back.

I really do. I think that people are really upset that he left. I think, you know, we are a Red Sox town in Boston for sure. But we were a Celtics town and then Paul Pierce left and everyone said that they weren't going to root for the Celtics anymore. I mean, come on. Everybody comes around eventually, and we're a sports town. Boston's one of the biggest sports towns in America, and it's going to stay that way. But I think the Brady News is really upsetting for a lot of people.

Would have measured, well thought out of him. Greg dismiss all of that. No, just miss all of that in a cold way. No, that was a lovely answer. I will note, though, that Bill Belichick is still there. And Bill Belichick is a few years away from trying to break down. Sean Shula's all-time coaching wins record, which I believe he will hang around and try to accomplish.

And so one half of the duo that made them what they are is not going anywhere. Well, that's fair. And I'm curious, just I want to take a vote here, is, does anyone here think the Patriots do not win the AFC East in 2020, right now? Oh, I think the build are heavy favorites. I mean, I'm not going to go against my own team. taking the Patriots. I mean, let's wait and see who they get a quarterback, but I'd have no problem. Get them to Ryan isn't. It was going to be tough to stop. How about Stidham and Cam Newton

combination? You were just saying how you can't wait to be a Bucks fan this year. You got, you know, sports big a me is not appreciated. I'm going to root on the bucks, too, but I'm a Patriots fan through and through. There, I mean, there will be no greater embarrassment than, you know, all these Jets, Bills, and Dolphins fans are in their house getting like super hammered tonight over this news, but the Patriots might still just go 12 and 4 and win the division. The other issue is these other three teams, bills excluded because they've made improvements, have to actually learn how to win games on their own. They're not just going to be handed an NFL division because Tom Brady and aging Tom Brady moved

to Florida. It's not how worse. You learn nothing that an assumption that because one random team has a 10 and 6 or 11, 5 season like the bills, oh, let's just pencil them in for 11 more wins or 12 more. more wins. Everything changes. And yes, I am as happy as I am, the Patriots will never be the same because they will never have Tom Brady again. But to write them off as an AFC East champion in 2020, I cannot do that. Well, let's look at the Patriots. Let's look how they played in the second half of the season. They weren't a good team. So it's not just about losing Tom Brady. This was not a

good team from November on. Mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm. Fair. Better that the best. The best, the best. That's the team in that division. What a world. These are the good days, guys. These are the days we look back and smile. Yeah, all of us at our separate houses in quarantine and Tom moving to, like, come on.

I'll see you, Erica, in a couple hours. We got to tape an episode of the Jefflinick and Rosenthal and Rosenbaumlandlandy project. Yeah, and they won't let me do it remotely. So when I die, you know who to blame. Wow. And speaking of which I now have to. You're blinding, Erica.

I have to go, I have to go door to door and start knocking on some doors and do some handshakes because this Brady to Bucks thing happened. So I'm a man of my word. The old Zeuser keeps his word. So I am going to brave it. And I'm sure a lot of people will be down for hugs and kisses and handshakes. There's only one way to find out. I got to get to work. Feel free to call us when you're arrested 45 minutes from now.

I mean, this is how you get the police called in. Mark, you know there's no police anymore. That's a good point. That actually opens up new horizons for what this evening. There's no parking tickets. I'm not saying it's worth it, but it's not nothing. Thanks for listening to the Around the NFL podcast presented by Intuit QuickBooks, the official sponsor of the NFL.

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