NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Bunkercast XVIII: PI Calls and Virtual Draft

Episode Date: April 6, 2020

A bunker filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Gregg Rosenthal and Marc Sessler bring you all of the latest news around the NFL including the latest with the PI calls, the draft taking place virtually and a potential new broadcaster on the scene.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast. We are essential employees. Yeah, we are. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined in a city filled with Heroes in Bunkers. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal.

What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. Happy Monday. I mean, is it? Mondays are rough in the COVID-19 era, especially with kids. And they sense it. There's blood in the water. They know that you're going to have a lot of work to do if you're a working person like my wife and I.

But they still want to be entertained. And then you add in some rainfall outside here in Los Angeles. and the caged animal feeling is real. I was thinking, Dan, how different every parent's experience is going to be depending on, like, how old they are? Like, I'm happy that mine are a little older than yours. How old are they? Five and three.

Five and three, yeah. See, that's a tricky one. Like, marks are a little bit older. Like, if you had kids in their teens or they're like 14, they're just going to be leaving you alone. You wouldn't even see them. Whereas if they're younger, it would seem like it'd be the younger, the harder. Yeah, I mean, I've essentially, we've given up and we've realized that we've just raised or in the process of raising two obsessed gamers who, once this all wraps, will not leave the house anyways.

They've given up any concept of outdoor exercise or healthy diet. They just walk around in virtual reality masks from 1995 all day. We're not far. I mean, honestly, that is the next step for this household. That is a generational divide. I have a nephew who's in his early 20s now. And when he was about 18, I was one of those gross adults who asked him what he wanted to do with his life. And he basically said the only thing he likes doing is playing video games.

So he's got to find a way to make money at that. He's yet to do it. And I don't think he's got a job. So it's just video games all day. I thought that story was going in a different direction. He's like, yeah, I just play video games. And that's what I like to do. Now he's a millionaire.

Yeah. Millionaire gamer. He said to Beth. He just got seriously drop kicked on an international podcast, by the way. He's got to be feeling some sort of quiver in the eardrums. I just think like that's a generational thing. Your kids are part of that generation too. You don't get it, Uncle Wes.

I just want to live. Get off my back. That's a drunk old Chris. Let's circle back before we get to the news. We should connect with a fun game of text or tweet on Friday show. Mark and Erica both challenged Wes, Greg, and myself to blindly pay. pick a text or a tweet. Greg texted Peter Schrager.

Peter Schreger, by the way, will be on our program tomorrow, catching up with Pete, the Shregebaum, and also his mock draft. We're going to start this week paying some more attention to the upcoming draft, which obviously makes sense. Wes, you had done a tweet about ice cream. Let's start there, Wes. You had tweeted about ice cream, your favorite flavors, and then a, top five countdown ending with

you were not into dairy, no doi, something like that. No, duh. None of the above. I don't do dairy anymore. Yeah. So, Wes, what was the feedback that you got? One guy called me whiter than mayonnaise.

A lot of people expressed surprise that my taste was so horrible. Apparently, not a lot of people like Rocky Road ice cream. Rocky Rose's fine. But yeah, the responses were all over in the And then a few people, you know, of course, after they listened to the show, said, oh, that, you know, that explains that this is funny. What, what made your ice cream?

Was it just the topic itself of the tweet that made you white, whiter the mayonnaise? Or was it the flavors that you selected? Did you get any more context than that? I deduced that it was the combination of the lame flavors involved and the statement, duh, none of the above, I don't do dairy. Yeah, sort of like an overly precious, like, vegan anthem. Yeah, that's getting taxulized. Wasn't them like pecan praline or something, like a 80-year-old flavor? Yeah, it was a bunch of flavors that like your grandma would eat.

I did read that tweet and the first thing that came to mind was the whites are at it again. Greg, what about you? Did Shregbaum reply to you? Well, I was just thinking, should we save that for tomorrow's show? We could do that. Well, I'll say it here and that I have not told them that that was, I have still not told them there was a game involved. We did continue texting afterwards, but we can save it for tomorrow.

He can learn on the show. Went to dinner. Totally backwards. And now he thinks doubly of Greg. Mark, yours was like a tweet that was no different than anything you've ever really done, right? So I imagine it wasn't a huge amount of feedback on it, right? Well, so, yeah, Erica crafted my tweet, and it was about essentially leaving the current society. to group up in sort of a nudist colony

with no possessions. And no one's, there's not a lot of people bumped on that. Yeah. We predicted that. And I think, you know, in reverse, the one I created for Erica was similar.

But, you know, she asked anyone to send me unicorn, a unicorn symbol as an affirmative. And I did, my entire weekend was just like insane unicorn emojis and gifs. Jiffs. Ricky refreshment. What a brand you've built, Mark,

that joining a nudist colony is right on it right on brand but to be fair again it yeah well it was again it's and i think we've experienced this in in in all of it was like a 99% response from males wanting to go to the nudist colony so i don't know what's what's happening at this point i deal rickie i can't remember what yours was mine was about like powerful women everywhere but like men just like eat and play video games and eat fast food or something you got attacked by barstool nation for that i got attacked by a lot of dudes and like people were basically like why would you want to like gender stereotype when we're in a pandemic like what like this isn't that this isn't the time to like hate on men

someone asked if you crashed your Mercedes yeah yeah and someone else was like someone else was like wow like I just lost so much respect for you and then they tweeted again they're like ha ha just listen to the podcast like my bad I was like okay cool like I kept the tweet up though I mean whatever my my turned into a legitimate homework assignment. And it was Mark had had me send out a tweet saying I've been reflective during these times and I wanted to hear from all the listeners. And I only realized that after the show that and starting to go through the DMs, which started flowing like a waterfall, that a lot of people then provided heartfelt responses to that and then maybe felt a

little dumb after the show came out, which I didn't like that. I felt like I was being a jerk. I didn't think of that in the moment. So I did make the effort. I responded to every single person. It took me all weekend. It was literally in the hundreds. And I have to say, it went from Idaho to Iceland, Belgium, to Germany, Ireland, to Scotland, Australia, Canada, Mexico. and of course, England, who are certified, hashtag mad for it, it is amazing our listenership from a global standpoint, how passionate you guys are overseas. I mean, we got plenty of United States people, but it was by far a majority of listeners overseas or in Canada, in Mexico.

And this will not come as a surprise. I'm going to guess somewhere in the neighborhood of 400 or 500 DMs, one woman. One. Did she slide in? That's similar to the breakdown at our live shows, except the difference is live shows, we get a few more because there's dates. I don't know. I don't know what's going on at the live. Like last time they go on a date.

And yes, while it was not something I would have typically sent out, I'm glad, Mark, that you did it or chose that. because it was really cool hearing from the listeners. So many of them had stories, stories about what's going on in their life and hardships and what the podcast has meant to them, people who are on the front lines of this COVID-19 pandemic that are working all day and just use our show as something to wind down from.

Amazing some of the stories. So I was happy to be in contact with everybody. I don't think I'll be doing that every weekend. Uh, but it was, it was a cool experience. And, uh, again, we are very lucky to have you guys as listeners. Well, credit to you for, you know, not just, uh, using the out, which you would have been able to do an hour or so later and say, sorry, not going to reply to any of you, uh, clowns out. Well, that's why I was brilliant, Mark, because if I would have done that, I would have been just an a plus jerk. I get, because some, once you see some of these messages to just blow it off as part of a podcast segment, I don't think that was an. option, quite frankly. Yeah, I mean, when I can add 15 or 16 hours of hardcore online labor to

your weekend, I want to do that. At one point, Emily and I were laying side by side with two laptops. She was reading them to me and I was dictating answers to her while I was doing my own answers on my laptop. It was that hardcore in terms of the task. It's like a factory. Was Emily impressed? I mean, seeing all these DMs come in for you? That's kind of cool. I wish she was more. I wish she was more impressed she doesn't she seemed she enjoyed doing it i will give her that and my wife is amazing and she um basically took on the job with me but i there was no point where she like closed the laptop and was like wow you guys really make a difference which i was kind of hoping at some point that happened but she was just doing the work she was cranking what did the female write to you i'd like

to know is mark single i believe was uh no sure that's not i'm sure that's not what it was i i don't recall again, there were many of them. But that was fun. Your common man ranking has never been higher. It is soaring right now. All right. I mean, I'll take that. I'll take that.

I did get some replies along those lines. But that was not the intention of the exercise. Well, you put it in the work. All right. Let's do some news. Grape is never going. Grapeeds never go away. A beautiful cover of the Greybeard's 2020 theme by Danny Everett.

Shout out to Danny using backing choir there, which is pretty hardcore. And I want to point out just a reminder of how crazy and different this season, offseason is, obviously, with COVID-19 and how that's affected the free agent market. Usually by a week after the. Greybeard's article comes out on NFL.com. The roster's already been picked apart. I'm looking at this list. I'm sure there's been a couple guys,

but for the most part, the free agent market is just kind of ground to a halt. And almost everyone here, if not every single guy, is still on the market a week later. So obviously things, the way things have set up with the inability for players to travel, physicals, things of that nature, whenever we do get back to normal,

hopefully sooner rather than later, there's going to be a flurry of signings that in the past would have already been done by now. So that's coming up on the horizon. Yeah, I wonder if that's partly because of the compensatory pick formula or it's partly, okay, let's sign our priority guys. And then once you got about a week into free agency, the world already seemed different than when it started out in free agency. And I feel like every business, they're just pressing pause for now. And those players might lose out a little bit. I mean, it's not like you need them in the building to attend meetings or they can't do anything anyways.

So why not see them in flesh before you hand over the money? All right. Let's get to the news. The first one, this was a report from our own Judy Batista, who reported this on Monday that the past interference replay, which was in effect in 2019 and was, you know, really not. received very well, didn't go very well at all, that will, according to Judy, almost certainly not be extended into 2020. So it was set up as a one-year trial run. And at least in the format, it is now, Greg, it is not going to come back according to Judy's reporting. She didn't say it was certainty, but almost certainly it's going to be one and done for the instant replay.

Well, yeah, we know Judy's talking to people at the top to get that. That info, the news would have already happened because we would have finished owners meeting by now, and they would have talked about it. And Wes, West was one of the first people that I heard nationally, certainly on our podcast, saying he didn't think it was going to be back. And I'm surprised, maybe they do find another way to do some sort of interference. They have the Sky Judge thing happening this year, but it is kind of amazing that this is going to turn out to be a one-year crash and burn. What is the Sky Judge? I miss this entirely. I don't really know. You know, you know. An omnipotent ruler

lodged about 200 yards above the field that we don't understand where it comes from but it's never wrong. You said it, Greg, like everyone knew. That's why I asked it that way. Well, yeah, it's an extra replay official I think that can that can help out and buzz in. But that's not specifically for pass interference

or anything like that. It would be like if you're sitting at home and you have advantage of all these replay angles, they pick the smartest viewer at home and he gets to make all the decisions as the Tsar, except he's sitting in the stadium, not at home. And I thought the idea in general was a noble one. Of course, it came after the Nicol Roby Coleman, P.I.

in the 2018 NFC Championship game. But it just, yeah, it just didn't work. And I wonder, because it makes me think of instant replay. And older NFL fans will remember that they tried replay a couple of times in the early 90s, didn't work and well maybe it was one other time the early 90s they tried it it didn't work they got rid of it and then it came back a second time instant replay i still think that's probably something that happens with this as well but they might have to go underground for a while mark i'm curious what you think um for them to come up with a a different way to do it because there's

no way they're just going to bring it back similar to what it was in 2019 i just think it makes sense that you don't leave yourself open to what we saw in the playoff games that basically triggered this, these disastrous talking point miss calls. But my other side of it is, I think it just creates this shaky tension where refs are, no one really believes anything that a referee does at this point at all. I can't think of a profession on the planet, you know, outside of a certain truly dangerous task that I would not want to be a ref. I just, there is no upside. You could make 100 correct calls in a row and then you're at the center of some total technical meltdown where your word looks ridiculous and it's like again it's just the same old like

refs the refs are losing here too and they just but also football needs more i mean it's just it needs to be better officiated because it's too embarrassing when these calls go south i think eventually the sky judge is going to be the solution and the biggest problem right now and this was the same thing with the catch rule, I think viewers understand that in real-time action, officials are going to miss some calls. What they don't understand is taking five minutes to review a call and still getting it wrong, which is what both the catch rule and the pass interference rule did. It messed with the integrity of the game in addition to slowing it down.

In other news, oh my goodness, Armad. You know who we have to get on the show, Andrew Marchand? Haven't we done enough conversations on this show entirely based off the reporting of the New York Post media sports media guy, Andrew Marchand, that we should have them on the show. We should have a Monday night football talk with him this week. Let's do it. All right. Ricky, let's get Andrew Marchand on the horn for the podcast this week maybe. Yeah, I'll get right on it. Great. That means I will be doing that in about an hour. Here's what Marshond has the latest on the ESPN Monday night football situation under the headline. Now this, you know what?

NFL.com can learn from the New York Post when it comes to headlines. ESPN's awkward Drew Breeze Chase isn't stopping after $50 million Saints deal. Now I'm in. I'm reading this story. This is the report for Marchand that Breeze, despite resigning with the Saints, is still someone that ESPN covets and someone they want to, would hope to lock into some type of deal even before his playing days are over so that he can go straight from the field to the Monday Night Football booth and give them the name brand star that they've been craving for a long time now. But because Breeze is not ready to retire yet, they for the time being have an eye, their sights set on a group comprised of Steve Levy, Lewis Reddick, and Dan Orlovsky, according to Mark.

Arshawn, they've emerged as the top candidates for next season's Monday night football booth. But that could be a short-term answer if that's what they do go with because Breeze is the guy they truly covet. Mark Cecil, your thoughts? Well, I just find it, again, it's the same thing a little bit with Peyton Manning. I've never, has anyone heard Drew Breeze utter of a syllable in the idea of wanting to become a broadcaster? If anything, I feel like he's not someone who loves. the media to begin with. The Lewis Riddick side of it, I think he'd be very intriguing.

Same with Rolofsky, but Breeze, it's like you're chasing after Romo Part 2. But someone else tell me that he, why he'd be a sensational shoe-in on Monday night football. I don't see it. There's a lot of directions to go with this, but the one thing that stood out to me just with Breeze was hearing this report on top of Sean Payton yesterday when he spoke to the media, I think it was a local radio. calling 2020 Breeze's last season and it not being followed up on by the host. He sort of just threw it out there.

And you didn't know if he was just like kind of saying it but not meaning it. But then this report and then if you look at Breeze's contract where it's all guaranteed in the first year, nothing guaranteed in the second, that's at least one takeaway from this for me is that maybe there is a feeling that this really, Breeze is going into this season with the intention that he is done after 2020. pretty wild because yes we know how NFL contracts work and they're inherently ridiculous but he signed a two year deal like a month ago but that helps it helps the cap so and he's been doing stuff like that in general yeah right i just mean more the idea that you could make that announcement and then a few weeks later the head coach is saying it's his last season it just it just seems so silly the way the

contract world works in the NFL donnie romo is the exception i mean we've seen guys the expectations for Boomer O'Syerson and Tiki Barber were even higher than they were for Tony Romo and they were out after a year or two. You can't just assume that guys are going to be great in the booth. Right. What if Nate Peterman is quietly the best analyst sitting out there

and you want to grab like this A-lister. It could be extremely disappointing. It Breeze one year out of football went and flopped on national television every Monday night. I mean, that would be very disappointing but that part of the whole Monday night football mystique, if you

want to call it that is that they want the big star and and breeze if nothing else. The mistake is gone. I'm sorry. I mean, I understand where you come from on that. Monday night football used to be the primetime game. It's lumped in with a group of games and it's not even the, the premier game according to the NFL schedule makers. But that's not the way ESPN looks at it. They look at it as one of their most precious brands and a major ratings monster for them still to this day. And they want that big star. And Nate Peterman is good he would be, they think that ratings are going to be better with a big name. Now, you could then discuss, well, are they, do they have this whole thing wrong? Stop trying to chase a big fish and just

get the best guy. But that's not how the machine seems to operate. They've had it wrong for a few years now. And the mystique isn't there. Not because of the games. The mystique isn't there because the way ESPN runs their program. Well, they might be changing it. And the timing of all of this is really interesting because there's a belief that it's going to go back to A.B. and ESPN, they'll put it on both networks, but it'll be on ABC, maybe starting in 2022, and that this next year or two is this strange in between. And so you could get Breeze in the building.

The article indicates they might even try to sign him, you know, before the season starts so that he's locked in so that when they're selling themselves and part of this big package, all these TV deals are up, that he's going to be part of it moving forward, which makes it very strange for whatever they do for 2020 regardless. Like this report indicated it might be Riddick and Orlovsky or it might be Riddick or Orlovsky and they choose one or the other.

But it's very awkward and seemingly counterproductive to go into a season with those guys knowing that might be it for them. Yeah, no, I was just about to say there's a Roman Coliseum vibe to the whole thing where it's like you're hired the three of you. Only two of you will have the job next year, maybe. but one of you will almost certainly be gone. That seems like a tricky situation. But I guess if you're those guys,

it's still such a great opportunity that you probably take it and assume ESPN won't kick you out the door entirely if they decide to move on from you. What happens if Lewis Riddick shines as many expect him to do in that role and whether it's him or Lofsky are pulled from the lineup for a guy

whose face we recognize because he was in a football helmet the year before and the production totally is not, equal to what it was before. I just, you know, to me, this is, the whole thing feels like confusion and confused thinking from what we're hearing. You know the word that comes to mind for me, Mark? Desperation.

Yeah, I think they're like they're, they know that they need to hit a home run next time around, but their plans don't suggest any real clear thinking on how to hit the home run. Well, they also apparently kind of the other option would be using their top college duo, which is Chris Fowler and Kirk Curb Street, which also doesn't seem to make. sense because then you're hurting your college that your college coverage and who wants the college guys doing the pro games but what if there isn't college football in 2020 there's also another thought that ABC SBN might be you know trying to get two packages of games in this next deal and so then in theory an Orlovski you know and Steve in who was it Steve Levy combination might be

be doing games on this other package that they're getting there's a lot out there a lot to break down That's why we need more shaned on the show. Let's move on. Back to NFL League matters and a memo sent to the teams on Monday. Roger Goodell announced the 2020 draft will be conducted. Here's the exact wording entirely outside of their facilities and in a fully virtual format. So let's get those 1995 Skinimax VR masks away from the Sessler children and put them on the heads of GMs because the draft is ready. to cook.

Mark, I know you were really enjoying the comedy that was coming from this story on Twitter. Well, I'm fully get it that, you know, you're going to have a lot of wiseacres out there pitching their humor about, you know, this GM has never used a computer or he doesn't know how to plug in his, you know, dial up. I mean, it's inevitable and everyone's stuck at home. And so it's just magnified. All I'd say, and I think that there is, It is interesting that last year I think I had a sandwich bet that a team would miss a giraffe pick. And now that is tangibly an option if something weird happened to some team out there. I think it's reading like Peter King's column from today that these GMs and guys that are couch at home right now are dealing with what a lot of us are dealing with.

You're trying to run a high-octane business while kids are like throwing baseballs against the bedroom door. And like, you know, and dogs are barking and there's fights between animals and children while you're essentially trying to get the cults draft up and running. So it's more interesting than ever before. But I mean, tons of companies run this way. I just don't expect it to be total Armageddon. I'm going to assume I could be wrong, but because there's millions and millions of dollars

and jobs on the line with the draft that the NFL would probably decamp high level, I hope this is the answer, but you never know. High level IT dudes to each of the locations. So the person, the GM, like a Gettlement type, is not messaging. with his 56K modem furiously with the Giants up next on the clock. I imagine they're going to have these things taken care of, but it is, like you said, Mark, a juicy subplot to track. Will there be more wiggle room when it comes to the clock and if there are technical difficulties

or will it be like no holds barred? You know, if you miss your pick, you miss your pick. I guess it adds a little juice to the proceeding. I want some cameras in the house for the, this animals versus children battles going on. It's like go read Peter King's, you know, Monday morning thing because it basically talked about how these guys are having to adjust to that environment. I'm taking the animals.

I think the animals have more hard. Yeah. Animals. And if animals are stirred in the wrong direction, I take an animal over a small child very quickly. I believe it's football morning in the USA with Peter King is the name of the column. I don't know. Things are changing fast. That was the title.

I'm assuming that's still the title. You guys remember, you know, don't try to pretend like you don't. In the mid-90s, if, you know, you had the TV on a little later at night on certain cable channels, Cinemax or something like that, about 50% of the plots on those particular films revolved around virtual reality headgear. That was huge. That was one of the great tropes of that late-night program. But it was... One out of every two.

Okay. I mean, you guys are revealing a lot right now. You turn on, you watch a Red Shoe Diaries from 96. Someone's wearing a mask. Well, no, why do the GMs have to be, you know, wearing a mask? We're not wearing masks, you know. I'm just saying, man, on most of those programs, somebody's wearing a headset and it's plugged in and it's really changing their experience. It cuts over to Bill Belichick.

He's got like the goggles on. He's just like, ha, ha, ha, ha. The goggles are all fogged up. Ahuga. Bill, we're up. We're on the clock. David Dukoviny used to host Red Shoe Diaries. Remember that?

I like Greg and Mark and West are like, what is this guy even talking about? No, I, if anything, I just, my memory is of that sort of part of media is a little bit different than what you're describing media premium cable did not exist in my life until the last few years all right fair enough yikes i mean what are you gonna do all right i can't afford cable you can't afford cable i can't afford cable dan i had not claiming innocence on this front i just i have maybe a different take on what i experienced well back in my day we only had magazines victoria secret magazine there was had a cooler full of playboys in the styrofoam cooler

In the 90s, there was a craze that went down in my Rockland County where I'm from. It was called The Scrambler Box. I don't know if this was happening up in Western Mass or in Connecticut. But I believe the Statue of Limitations is up on this so I could talk about it. But everyone got the Scramble Box, which basically gave you access to 100 channels. It was off the books. It was not street legal. It even gave you access to the pay-per-view channels, Channel 95 and Channel 98,

request it was called where we were from and so you didn't need to pay the premium price for cable if you had the scrambler so I don't know if that made it to Cincinnati I knew one kid with the scrambler with the scrambler was like a 1970s automobile where I came from yeah I mean everyone had like the friend with it

but like it also required those the friend's parents to be overtly breaking rules it was like you had to stick a couple of dimes in the back of it to like make it work or something weird yeah I don't know where my parents who aren't like rule breakers by any stretch got their scrambler from, but like everyone I knew had it.

They had a guy. They had a guy. Well, they are a rule. They are rule. It was like New York, New Jersey. Maybe it fell off the back of a truck. Maybe it was one of those situations. All right.

Let's get back on track here and talk a little bit about the 2010 all decade team, which was announced. Here are the headliners, Tom Brady, Aaron. Donald, Rob Grunkowski, names that you expect. Greg, you love this stuff. Who are some names that surprised you on the all-decade list and maybe some notable snubs?

Ooh. The biggest surprises were guys like Tyron Matthew, newer player, Eric Weddle. But then I have to have my list. And Wes is more prepared for that of who I would have replaced those guys with. My biggest takeaway was kind of the guys who guys who get. a Hall of Fame boost because if you get an all-decade team and they're not doing first and second teams anymore, which is a little confusing because they used to do that and I don't like that lack of consistency. But guys like Marshawn Lynch, Lashon McCoy, Callais Campbell, Cameron Jordan,

Gino Atkins, Tyrone Matthew maybe someday, like all of those guys. Kevin Hester. Right, when they come up for Hall of Fame, you know, consideration someday. And I know for some of those names, that seems surprising, but they still have time to keep playing like that'll be a big deal and it'll help some of those guys uh get over the finish line yeah devon hester was the first guy i thought of because as a return specialist there's been some debate over whether he would get in or not and to me you can make a strong argument he's the best return specialist of all time um and having all decade in two different decades i think that's enough to put him in i see i see darrell rivas on this list we talked about rivas i think i don't know

what it was maybe when he officially retired. I can't remember exactly the circumstances. But his truly great years were 08 and 09. I don't, Greg, you would know maybe. Was he on the all-decade team in the previous decade? I don't know. Because those were two of the greatest years ever of the position. He was still a huge impact guy in 10, 11, and then he had one final year with the Patriots where he got a ring. A little surprised he gets all decade because his peak wasn't that high in the first two years, which were his best weren't in the decade, but maybe a little bit of name brand nod there. I mean, if they're starting it in 2010, then he had three first team all pros, you know,

2010, 2011, 2014. And it might have just been kind of a position that was tough to fill because Chris Harris got in as a defensive back, you know, the cornerbacks were pretty easy, I think, to start with Peterson and Richard Sherman. But again, I keep thinking of like these really will come up as Hall of Fame kind of boosting, you know, reasons why guys should get in. The other thing I would change, maybe it's a little crazy. But wouldn't you put Breeze over Aaron Rogers or is that crazy?

No. Nick Shook has a piece on NFL.com, top 10 snubs of the all-decade list. He has Breeze at number one over Rogers. It's kind of a fascinating conversation because Rogers at his, peak, which would, let's say, 10 to 15, no-brainer, but hasn't Breeze, Mark, been more consistent over the 10-year stretch? I mean, I could go either way with that one. It seems weird to me that Breeze often feels like the guy kind of left out of some of

these conversations. Always. Never made an all pro this decade. I mean, he's been ultra, ultra, ultra, you know, consistent. And for me, you know, it's just, you're going to pick two quarterbacks. There's going to be a bunch of people. people freaking out. I was surprised at how many people made this list.

I mean, everybody made it, except for the biggest snub I found, which was Levanté David. We talked about my list a couple of months ago when I did this. Levante David, number one among off-the-ball linebackers in force fumbles, tackles for loss, and solo tackles in the decade, and did not make the team. West, there was a lot. It basically was they did a first and second team, but they didn't delineate. between the two. Which I made everybody made this team.

Right, but it's the same amount of players that have always made it in terms of like they announced the second team along with the first team and there's four defensive ends, for instance. But it does get you thinking. I think PFF had a huge impact and it's going to be having an impact now on Hall of Fame cases, stuff like that. Like Callias Campbell, Cam Jordan, they weren't making this list without PFF. Gino Atkins.

Gino Atkins, I don't think, is making this list without PFF. Jeff. Chris Harris is not. Eric Weddell's not. And it does show what a difference that site has made, I think, for some of these players and their reputations and their money. Greg, one question for you, because if the argument helps the player get over the hump into the Hall of Fame, I mean, obviously for the coaches, they picked Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll. And I am much more interested in seeing some coaches from days of old get Hall of Fame nods. I mean, did you consider Pete Carroll already a Hall of Fame coach? or does this do anything for you if you didn't think that that he now is? I do. I did think he was. I do too.

I don't think he should even be on this list. I think Andy Reid should have been there. Personal. Nick Shook agrees he has them number four on the snub list. Yeah, I mean, that makes it's, but, you know, it's the next layer of people that have a really, imagine doing your job as well as, in any industry as well as Drew Brees did over the last 10 years and not making the list. It just seems utterly absurd. It's close.

Andy Reid did not have some of his, you know, best Eagles ears there early and Carol kind of the timing worked out from he took over that program I think in 09 or 10 and then they went flying that's about as good a like rebuild job as anyone's ever done. In other news, sad news out of the NFL, Tom Dempsey who famously kicked a 63 yard field goal on November 8th, 1970. Really kind of a great human interest story. too. He was born without, he had no toes on his kicking foot, his right foot. He wore a modified shoe. And he used the straight toe kicking style. And he hit a 63 yarder, a record that stood for decades. He passed away on Saturday night at the age of 73. He died after contracting the coronavirus.

The Saints made this announcement. He had been battling health issues for several years. Alzheimer's and dementia and these older people that they are the most susceptible as we've been hearing for weeks and weeks and Dempsey obviously was so we lose Tom Dempsey at the age of 73 yeah he hit that kick in Tulane Stadium and I'm I read the the obituary in the New Orleans Times picky and it pointed out something I always noticed even just being down there knowing Saints, it's like that kick was the most memorable Saints moment they had in the first 30 years of their existence. So as odd as it seems now, considering the success that they've had, like that moment they would show the replay and they would bring Tom Dempsey out and like he

lived in New Orleans and everything. Like that was, that was the biggest thing that had ever happened to them. And the record did stand for four decades, which there aren't many records out there that end up sitting there for 40 years. They also noted that before Dempsey lined up to kick that, and that was a game winner, 1917, over the Lions, that Lions players were openly giggling at Dempsey before he made the attempt, and then he just silenced them, and I love that. It wasn't until 1984 that another kicker even made one from 60 yards, and then he was finally, the record finally was broken by Matt Prater in 2013, who he had a 64-yarder.

but he kicked it, I think he kicked it up there in the mountains there in Denver, which is fine, it's fine, but it should be noted that he had the mile high air behind him. You can see over the generations that it's a much faster game with better athletes, but kicker is the one position where you could see it happening as it happened in the 80s and 90s. These guys were just so much better than they were in the 60s and 70s, because they were tow bangers and then it became soccer-style kickers. You started to recruit old quarterbacks who would kick, like the best athletes were going into kicking

instead of like the guy that was an afterthought. And Tom Dempsey's record to stand that long, a guy born without toes kicking with a wedge to stand for decades when the position just kept getting better and better. And here's one final stat that is kind of remarkable. And it's to your point, Wes, how the kicking game involved.

He was a rookie with the Saints in 1969 and he earned his only Pro Bowl and all pro nod. in a season in which he kicked, had 41 field goal attempts. He only converted 53.7%. That's gold. A long of 53 yards.

And he was an all pro. So yes, it's a different world now in the kicking game. But Tom Dempsey, at least for one day, was king. Finally, in the news. Oh, we head to Tybee, where there's some major, major news going down. The governor of Georgia, I believe this is the same governor, Wes,

who was unaware that people could transmit COVID-19 without showing symptoms. He was a little behind the curve on that. He made the decision to open up the beaches in Georgia and the people of Tybee Island, Wes, your former home, and specifically the mayor of Tybee Island, Shirley Sessions,

furious that the governor would put the people of Tybee in danger. Here is the statement from Shirley Sessions. As the Pentagon ordered 100,000 body bags to store the corpses of Americans killed by the coronavirus, Governor Brian Kemp dictated that Georgia beaches must reopen and declared any decision makers who refused to follow these orders would face prison and or fines. Tai B City Council and I are devastated by the sudden directives and do not support his decisions. the health of our residents, staff, and visitors are being put at risk, and we will pursue legal avenues to overturn his reckless mandate. Wes, your thoughts?

Well, you guys have met my friend Jason Bulterman, who had been the mayor for the last 15 years on Tybee. He grew up in Cincinnati with me. We went to the same high school. He kind of abdicated the throne last year. He was sort of a centrist Republican. I don't know if he would have come out this strongly. Shirley Sessions, who is now the mayor, it's a little bit older and more

left-leaning, and Tybee, you know, people hear that you lived in Georgia, the deep south, and often the assumption is that things might be a little backwards. Tybee is a pocket of independent thinking, like most islands. It's an end-of-the-road

place where people wash up, people looking for something else, people trying to be apart from society, they are not going to think the way the rest of Georgia does, and they're going to think independently the governor is it could be costing lives here and tybee is saying no we don't want it we want to do the smart thing i mean deals very much of the spirit of the island west absolutely i mean it's making national news i wonder um you know your friend jason who married you he's the reason you

did iby in the first place well conducted the service yeah yeah that sounds good okay you guys knew what i bet officiated he i wonder if he he wishes you know she's sure Shirley's getting a lot of pop here. This is national news, so I wonder if he... Oh, interesting. He, you know, a little jealous. I think Jason got a lot of pop for the way he handled hurricanes, the beach re-nourishment, you know.

He was on CNN and other news outlets himself. I think it got to the point where he was tired at, like, 3.30 in the morning, drunk people showing up at his house complaining about, you know, whatever's on their minds. That probably got a little old after 15 to 20 years. Well, like 15 minutes. Good for Shirley. I mean, Long Island's getting ravaged right now because of a lot of people that left New York City and went to hang out in Long Island at their second homes and kind of brought the disease there. And so it's good for her to try to keep her people safe.

That's what's happening in the news. Before we say goodbye, Mark, I want to present a sliding door scenario to you. Okay. All right. But you have to promise to give a honest answer. I always promise that. To everyone both on this chat right now, on the show and the listeners. All right.

Is this some form of revenge for the game from Friday? Okay. Nope, not at all. I'm going to give you two life path choices. You have to pick one. Path one. you could be part of the scientific team who develops the vaccine for COVID-19.

Or you take over, and again, this is in a different reality. In about 1999, 2000, you take over as Brown's head coach or a quarterback. It's your choice. and go on a Patriots-like run for the next two decades you are Cleveland royalty that makes LeBron James look like Danny Ferry no one will ever know which life path you choose

you don't want me to tell you what is your choice I'm choosing B I don't have any scientific skills at all so I don't I just think But you're a great quarterback. In this reality, just like you're not a real great quarterback, sorry, I believe you were an offensive line or a cornerback.

Multi-possession. They're a great quarterback. Or a head coach, in this reality, the sliding door reality, you are a fairly gifted scientist, one that's renowned enough to be on this team that develops the cure. But you're not the only person. You're not Jonah Salk, you know what I mean? Yeah, I'm going B.

I just think B, like I would have, you're talking about, Number one, I do trust that without me being there, that someone else is going to create the vaccine. I already know what other people created in Cleveland. If I could have put together two decades worth of incredibly happy Sundays and changed the history of the league, yeah, I'm going to be. You're going to change the skyline in Cleveland. Yeah, I mean, the other thing will happen. If it's like, oh, if you said the virus will never be solved because of my year or not. though we don't know that you don't know in this scenario i'm going i'm still going b you're taking that

chance i mean i i i admire your honesty on this it's this the first one just you know i hope and pray that happens um the second one you know i that's attractive to me would you be the would you be the head coach or the quarterback if given the choice i'd much rather be the head coach that's what i thought i thought you would choose that most people would choose you know i'd also be sort of the GM like Bill Belichick where they're like hey you know they didn't pick a GM for the all decade team but it's just obviously Sessler I mean come on footballs are yeah all right there you go we can uh we can shut that music down because not even a hesitation Greg that's what jumped out to me yeah I mean Mark's willing to put a lot of lives at risk for his little

glory glory time Ricky would you choose the same make the same choices mark if you had part of the COVID-19 Cure team or like a kind of a best-case life scenario for you? What would you choose? I mean, it is hard, you know? It's like the glory, the fame, the, you know,

attention. No, hell no. I'm not going to risk the human life. All right, here we go. You are a Taylor Swift type figure in B. Ooh. Yeah, you got it like hardwired into her interest. I feel like right now, like I'm not,

I might lie. Nobody will ever know. Yeah, I'm going to be. I'm going to be the scientist. I'm going to save the world. You're also a 67-year-old pudgy white man. Yeah, no, no, Taylor Swift. All right.

See how quickly changes. All right. Good stuff today, folks. We will continue to come at you five days a week. We know you're loving it, and we enjoy doing it as well. So why stop? The Bunkercast will roll on Tuesday with our special guest, Peter Schrager. We'll do some, frankly, vaguely overdue draft talk.

We don't tend to really dive into this realm and we kind of, I guess, put it off. But it's really out of respect for the listener because it's not our Ballywick, right, Wes? But at some point, we need to do some homework and get the listeners up to speed a little bit from the ATN podcast standpoint. Commendable use of Ballywick there. Right. Because like if there was a podcast that the NFL provided that, you know, covered the draft, Yeah, maybe we wouldn't need to do this. But since there isn't, we need to step and fill that hole.

It seems like at an underserved market that they should look into. It's a huge part of the NFL. And it's kind of, to me, as stunning a development as anything inside our media house, that they've not come up with a draft-centric program. What are you waiting for? I mean, we have the resources we have as the NFL to go out and find a guy, A guy that has experience inside a front office that's been on the road that can talk a little bit, that might look okay on camera. It seems like an easy thing for our company and our league, but we just haven't done it yet.

So whenever that happens, maybe this is something. Ricky, let's get some of the big shadow league figures on the horn after the show and we'll maybe pitch somebody. I got Lance Zerline who does good stuff. We're like Brett Lewis. Rett is a professional. Total pro. Yeah. I don't know.

These are just, we're just spitballing in real time right now. Yeah. All right. Dan Hansa signing off for The Quiet Storm, the mailman, the old boss. Ricky Hollywood, who definitely would be Taylor Swift no matter the circumstances. Peter Schrager tomorrow. Till Tuesday. Thank you.

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