NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Bunkercast XXIX: 2020 Draft Round 1 Recap & Dan's 40th

Episode Date: April 24, 2020

A bunker filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Gregg Rosenthal and Marc Sessler recap round one of the 2020 NFL Draft with Joe Burrow going to the Bengals and the Dolphins finally getting Tua! It's Dan's 40th, so Ricky plays a shoutout from some fans.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. Ho. Night one in the books. Hey-oh. We're taping this around. It's just before 10 p.m.

and I was trying to remind myself not to like scream and yell like I usually during the podcast because my sleeping children are only about 25 feet away. And then I started the show by going, ho. What is the wall situation there? How thick are the walls? Is it a real concern right now? It's a bit of a concern because I will not be a popular man, you know, with my wife. If I wake up the kids, that would be a problem.

Yeah, that would be a problem. that lighting makes Greg look dangerous he does he looks I like the look Greg I like the look you look I don't know how to describe it it looks a tad sinister yes we are coming to you about 20 or so minutes after the conclusion of round one of the 2020 NFL draft the virtual draft and despite all of the concerns it went off extremely smoothly. I, you know, I watched the whole thing. I maybe missed the last pick when I was starting to get set up here in the garage, but it didn't seem like there were any real hiccups in the broadcast. And that is a credit to everyone that worked to make this thing happen. And I actually

even thought, and we're going to get into a reaction to obviously all the picks and takeaways from night one. When we didn't have a trade in the first 10 picks or so, I was curious, like a lot of people, I'm sure, if that was directly connected to fears, connected to the connectivity of this event. But then the trade started fast and furious after that, out goes that theory. Yeah, I thought Lindsay Rhodes put it well. It felt more intimate and less commercial and less massive. To me, it felt like football before instant replay, where you can actually get some momentum going and there's no stops for like, you know, whatever productions they have planned that night, I kind of liked the way it moved.

Yeah, there was a period where I thought that we might be doing this show at maybe, you know, 545 p.m. Pacific, because it was really rolling there out of the gate. I don't know about that because they went 18 minutes past the start of the draft and then started a 10 minute clock on Joe Burrow, who had been connected to go to the Bengals for about, you know, three months now. Yeah, I was a little concerned. I think, you know, Dan, we were texting back and forth. I think there was some general concern about what the pace of it out of the gate.

But then, you know, it caught fire. And Dan, I mean, we've got to, we're bearing the lead here. It is your birthday. You're no longer in your 30s. And I know that's been a big point of, you know, contention with the rest of us. We're all so much older than you. You're officially in our decade now, in our time and life. But we wish you happy birthday.

It will be like a tough seven or eight months before you guys hit your 50s. but I'm 41 for the record you know give me a break I yeah I don't have yeah I don't have a ton of heat on you guys now because yeah the 30s to 40s seems like a big deal I'll always be younger but I'm I'm happy that things worked out the way they did in a way with the draft being tonight because it did give me something to look forward to and it wasn't just another day trapped in a house and you know I did have a chance the Santa Ana winds were blown in last night and uh As 1159 ticked to midnight, I sat on my front step and I thought about my 30s, which were insane when I was just going year by year, all the things that happened in my life. So I'm wondering how the 40s will play out. And so far, it was a good birthday. And I'm excited to talk football with you boys. Well, plus old Joe Douglas wrapped up a nice 368 pound present for you, you know, just like a nice road grade. for your birthday.

A giant man, that giant mound of humanity. And happy birthday, of course, to Simone Sessler, who also turned 40 today under different circumstances, Mark. Maybe we would be on the deck after the show celebrating that, but down the road maybe. Yeah, I mean, I think that the overall vibe here was birthday delayed to some degree. We definitely have to do something when all this wraps up. But I bought her a gift weeks ago that still is not arrived in the mail. So that's a bit of a disaster.

And, you know, it was around six or seven hours ago that I deposited her with our kids to go do all of this. So I'm not sure it's exactly how she thought the 40s would begin. But, you know, 40s are a weird time. And she's starting to feel that same feeling that we feel. All right. Let's get to it. And thank you, boys. There is so much to go through.

So I think, do you guys want to hit on like a big picture thought before we get into things? or do we want to just start cooking through the first round? You guys, let me know. Let's cook. I mean, to me, to me, like the one place to start, whether it's like a big thought, you know, that was one thing I noticed. They did it perfectly, the ESPN production, but they occasionally did have the weight of where no one from the seven box that they had knew when to jump in.

Oh, that was great. And I felt their pain. But I was going to say, whether it's a big thought or not, to me, this draft's going to be remembered for Tua ultimately going number five. And I know that's not the first pick. I don't know if you wanted to go in order. But to me, that's a good place to start. That's the moment where, okay, that's what we're going to remember out of this draft. Yeah, so Burrow goes one to the Bengals.

And what else needs to be said there? That was the pick that made a lot of sense, even though there were reports earlier in the day that the dolphins were attempting trade up to get to three with the lines. and then using that leverage to try to move up to one and the quote-unquote Godfather author. None of that ever happened. And then it went chalk. So it went Borough 1, Chase Young 2. The line stayed where they were at 3 and drafted Jeff Akuta, the cornerback. The Giants, as expected, take the first tackle off the board, Andrew Thomas.

Maybe a little bit of a surprise they took Thomas. But again, as we've been reading about and talking to people in the know, that all these tackles are so close together. There's no really way to know who was the number one. guy, but for the Giants, it was Andrew Thomas. And then, yes, Tua, at number five, goes to the dolphins, the guy that had been connected to the dolphins forever. And I think I mentioned it yesterday on the show that the last week or so of the pre-draft process wasn't exactly kind to Tua and people you talk to and what we were reading.

But at the end of the day, Mark, the Dolphins stayed right there. And they do now have that guy that they could plug in with all these other new pieces around them to say, this is our future and this is the face of the franchise. I mean, the day began with, you know, a lot of whispers of the dolphins wanting to get up, you know, into that spot where Detroit was to get ahead of the Giants potentially to get the tackle of their choice, which, you know, I get it. That's in very important position. And they addressed that later on. But to me, you know, we had Steve Weish on the show a while back to talk about Tua. And it took me too long, but I got around to reading his amazing feature on Tua. And it is, you know, it is, you know, anyone wondering who the person is should go read this. And Dolphins fans, if you haven't, should go check it out. I mean, it just painted a completely different picture of this player. And, you know, you read these things and you kind of get swept up.

I was just like, I cannot believe a team will pass on him based on his current, you know, the health injury that he's coming off of the hip injury. Because to me, I think he just has the potential to be just wildly electric and completely change a franchise if you get the upside version of that player. and I'm kind of glad for Dolphins fans who seem to have gone a billion years without really a functional franchise quarterback unless you were in love with the Ryan Tannahill version

when he was in Miami. I mean, it's been, I think, 21 quarterback since Dan Marino. This could change all that. And I don't know how you go do what they did all season long and the organic fish tank that we spent 1,000 hours in during the season without coming out of this with a quarterback. So, you know, these are all risks and gambles,

but I love that they went for it. I can't imagine them doing the last year and a half any better. I mean, if you think about it, the two big moves they made is, you know, picking up Brian Flores, who won five games with a team that they were trying to tank. And now it's getting Tua, who was the guy that they were attached to the whole time. And they traded away all these veterans to get those draft picks. And they didn't have to trade them to go get the quarterback. They got to use them tonight on a couple other players.

You mentioned the tackle. They took a surprising cornerback at the end. We'll see if those work. But, like, it couldn't have worked any better because Flores looks like the real deal. And Tua, unlike Justin Herber, is, I think, a unique talent. I listened to, you know, a rare good job I move this deck. I got to admit, I got to admit he does a couple pods right around draft time. I think then it ends after the draft and just stops for the rest of the year.

He goes down to San Diego and takes about 10 months off. Yeah, and so he doesn't cover the NFL at all. But he did this, you know, 360 on Tua. And the most interesting part to me was when he had Trent Delfare on him and him and DJ talking about what Tua does best. And they were just talking about his quickness. And they said his eyes are what sets him apart. He's got the quickest eyes, the quickest decisions, and the quickest release.

And it just reminds DJ and Delfare so much of Trent, Drew Brees. And you kind of can't write this stuff that Drew Brees is the guy that Nick Sabin passed on because of an injury that he didn't want to look past. He goes with Dante Culpepper. And 15 years later. they still haven't found a quarterback, and they take the guy that reminds me more of Breeze than anyone else, and it's Nick Sabin's guy to a Tonga Vailoa. So they get the guy they were organically tanking for.

Right. But they get him at a much higher risk than they planned to a year ago. I mean, this looks like a risky draft to me. Like, this is the high risk, high reward team of the draft. Austin Jackson, a guy some scouts seem to think was risky, according to Bob McGinn's article. and then a cornerback, you know, late in the first round, when they already have, what, 10, 12 cornerbacks on the roster? I mean, they have the team is loaded with cornerbacks.

They have the two highest paid cornerbacks in football. And then in their final first round pick, they take a corner who they plan to play in slot, most likely. But it is still an embarrassment of Richard suddenly back there after being completely barony season ago. Well, it's very similar to the Patriots building from the back to the front. And I think a lot of, you know, some teams are doing that, like thinking the secondary matters.

more than anything. But you look at what I think all the buzz happening today and this week, and you got to point to, I think the dolphins kind of doing a good job. Like whatever this buzz was, they convinced enough people that they might take Herbert. And this whole trade that they might trade up for a tackle, to me that was trying to prevent anyone from trading up ahead of them, either to take Tua or preventing the Giants from trading that pick because the Giants wanted Andrew Thomas.

They're saying, stay right there. We want Tua to fall to us. People didn't really have an idea. And who knows, maybe Justin Herbert turns out fine, but I feel like there's a Justin Herbert in every draft. Like a strong-armed guy who wasn't really that consistent, he wasn't that accurate, but super athletic. I mean, he's probably more athletic than Burrow and Tua.

But, like, you can find those guys. Tua seems like a much better chance to be the guy. Yeah, I think to West, West, you're right. I mean, Tua is a, not a boom or bust, but there is an absolute noted risk to the point where some teams didn't really even consider them on their board. But if they came out of this first round without a quarterback at all, it would be hard to understand what the Dolphins were attempting to do all along. And I just view the other quarterbacks after Joe Burrow, just simply not anything.

They're just as risky, if not more than Tua. I mean, I just, I'm, I'm kind of glad they didn't go in that direction. Well, we'll get to Herbert in one second, who went to the Chargers at six. I can't get out of my head, the one quote from the personnel man in the McGinn piece where he talked about how, and too, it's not just the hip, which was a career-threatening injury, that he's not out of the woods on. It's a situation where they won't know for a year whether that the hip is going to be fully recovered because of the blood flow in that area of the body and all this kind of stuff.

But when he gets hit, they say it's like a car crash. And certain guys have the ability to pop right up. He is a guy when he gets hit. It seems like it's just like, you know, the end of the world. And as they were doing the, you know, highlight reel and talking about right immediately after the pick, just cycling through all the injuries in his college years. And now you're going to the NFL where guys hit harder and run faster. I think it was a good pick, but I'm also totally in agreement that it is a boom or bust move.

And maybe the dolphins felt like this was something they couldn't pass up. So I'm not down on the move, and I'm happy for Handsome Hank, not for Dolphins fans in general, but Handsome Hank in particular. But it is a major roll of the dice here. It really is. At number six, yes, Herbert goes to the Chargers. We talked about it on the Twitter show. I said that the Chargers cannot come out of this draft,

and specifically their first pick, without somebody to kind of build this team around. Herbert's the guy they get. And like Greg said, athletic guy didn't play so well down the stretch in its final season in Oregon. There are some questions about how he's probably. processes the game speed-wise and makes you wonder, is this a guy you can put right into the lineup? Well, now Tyrod Taylor is a good setup for them there because they do have the option to do the 2018 Browns thing and have Tyrod start and then slide in the rookie when it's deemed appropriate.

He is the opposite of Rivers. You know, it's like Rivers is the guy who takes too many chances. If Herbert has a criticism other than, you know, kind of inconsistent accuracy, it's that he doesn't take chances. It's that he plays it a little safe, doesn't seem to have the same instinct, certainly doesn't have the same, like, quick mind, I think, that Burrow and Tua have, but he's got the physical skill set. He looks kind of like a play action, old school quarterback, like big arm. Like, you see these guys come out.

He feels a little more old school, but he's also super athletic. And so I think that probably attracted Anthony Lynn, that he does offer something that he can, you know, be used in the running game, too. from an onfield perspective he comes into a great situation a team that upgraded the offensive line with a couple of guys the defense they had chris harris and linval jose joseph and then they had the second first round pick here and kenneth murray the linebacker this roster i mean admitting that there's a huge question mark at quarterback the rest of the roster just looks like a super bowl contender the next pick was Derek Brown, the defensive tackle, goes to the Panthers, a serious area of need for Carolina

and a guy that gives them with Kwan Short there, a really great defensive line that will be hard to move on. Isaiah Simmons, the guy that has everybody conflicted, but a great athlete that played all over at Clemson goes to the Cardinals at 8. This is right around the time, by the way, as a Jets fan, I'm feeling really good because these offensive linemen are not flying off the board like people expected. And then at pick nine, C.J. Henderson, the number two cornerback in this draft class, according to many out of Florida, goes to the Jags, who obviously traded away Jalen Ramsey and A.J. Bouillet in the past seven months.

Now they bring in the rookie Henderson with huge upside thoughts on those picks, guys. I would say, go ahead, Wes. I thought the Cardinal stand out to me for adding a blue chip talent on both sides of the ball to get DeAndre Hopkins on offense and Simmons on defense. That, to me, that's what you want in an offseason. Yeah, I cannot wait to see Isaiah Simmons. And I think it's whenever there was a player that has, you know, differing opinions from scouts and there's all this buzz about how do you play him and what systems does he fit in, that can be a great thing too.

And I, for me, I think that's an awesome landing spot. I was kind of blown away also by Cliff Kingsbury's, you know, almost Miami-Vice-like palatial estate, which, you know, Dan, you made a good point. Is that in Palm Springs? It is in Arizona, I believe. Yeah, that would make more sense. But it reminds me of some of those, if you ever, if you live in California and you go on Airbnb looking for a Palm Springs house.

And just for the F of it, you go look at the higher end houses in Palm Springs. That's what it looks like. And then I asked on Twitter, I said, wait, is Cliff Kingsbury a billionaire? And I think Robert Clemco responded, dude, Arizona, you have no idea how far money goes, which is probably true. Maybe that's like a $200,000 house in Arizona. but it looked like a cartel house from Better Coltsville. Absolutely, yeah.

He's not best that run. I don't know if it's the best fit for the Cardinals. Because you kind of look, like, I wonder if Cardinals, and of course, everyone's excited tonight. But you look at Steve Kimes' draft history, he took Asan Redick, which was kind of the guy in that draft. It's like, doesn't have a position. He can do a lot of things. And they haven't figured out, you know, what he can actually do. And they took Deanne Buchanan, who has kind of a similar skill set.

And he had his moments in Arizona. Arizona, but ultimately, you know, ended up not being like a huge, huge difference maker for then. And they don't, they have Vance Joseph as their defensive coordinator who has struggled. Yeah, but he's, he's a defensive backs guy. And I have a feeling Simmons is going to play safety. I mean, Vance Joseph might not be the best defensive coordinator in the world, but I think he knows what to do with a guy like Simmons. Yeah, you got to have a plan for him, and hopefully they do, but they were not good on defense. And it's been, it's been a while, maybe forever since been supposed to ever coached a good defense.

I mean, right? Has he ever coached the good defense? Like when he's the coordinator, haven't they almost always been basically a problem? Because your boy, Todd Bowles, is the only defensive back-minded defensive coordinator you have time for in your life. That's fair.

It's a strange shot, but it checks out. And then it did, now that you bring up the move that the Cardinals made and they have DeAndre Hopkins, It reminded me as I'm watching the draft because we won't really have a chance to bring them up again. The Houston Texans, I noticed, you know, a theme in this draft, and it happens every year. You trade a guy, a standout veteran or you lose him to free agency, and then you use the draft, and you plug that hole with the guy you hope he comes that next guy. And we saw that with the cornerback in Jacksonville, and you saw what the Vikings did replacing Stefan Diggs.

Again, if you're a Texans fan, you trade away D'Andre Hopkins, and then when you're supposed to then take him, a wide receiver to get all excited about tonight. You don't have a first round pick? Oh, you've got Brandon Cooks and Randall Cobb. Oh, that's right. They're fine. I mean, Dan, you're, you know, half your job at NFL network has been defending Bill O'Brien. So you took a strange left turn right there, but I totally agree with your analysis.

CJ Henderson is a risky pick, too, I think, for the, for the Jags. Like a guy people felt very differently about it. And they've had a bad history, you know, taking Florida players. They took Joanne Taylor, who's kind of been a bit of. bust for them so far dante fowler a few years back i feel like they always take these these uf guys and they don't work out it's an old time expression mark but i call it like i see it i believed in bill o'brien and then he started doing things that i didn't believe in anymore i mean you also you know you have immense gravitas now that you're you're you're you know hours into your fifth decade so

i will listen to anything you say well put uh all right so then the browns and the jets are on the board and they both, as expected by many, especially once the draft shook out the way it did in the first nine picks, take offensive tackles. The Browns take Jeddrick Wills Jr. out of Alabama. The Jets take Mackay Beckton at a Louisville. And I texted Mark on our friend chain during the draft that nice, solid, no nonsense, no funny business picks from our teams that are usually subjects of ridicule. hard to get down on either team from making the moves they made here. Yeah, and I reached out to Nick Shook, who I really think is one of the better, in our sphere,

better evaluators of offensive line play. Does a lot of work on that. He's written a lot of columns for NFL.com. Can beat up offensive linemen if it came to it? You could. I mean, he probably could step in and play for a couple of these teams. I mean, I asked him, were you surprised that they went with Wills over, you know, the other two or three options there?

And he said it was his favorite of all of them. you know, which, you know, I think they're all jumbled together, and it probably depends on what type of line play or what type of offense you want. But Kevin Stefansky of the Browns also just remarked that he thought that Wills was a perfect scheme fit for the kind of offense that they want to run. And so I think the Browns are happy.

And then you look at what the Jets did. And, I mean, Greg mentioned it. They got a gigantic Biameth. And they needed it. And so, you know, sometimes with the draft, Like you want CD Lamb, you want all these other guys that maybe fit the profile of like a super sexy like draft day pick. But the line, if these linemen work out, they've solved immense problems for both teams. He's six, seven, three hundred and sixty four pounds.

And at the combine, that's like three of Greg and me put together. At the combine, he ran a like a five one 40. And I thought Connor Hughes of the athletic had a tweet that got me excited. Beckton doesn't have the potential to be good. He has the potential to be an all-world player. You don't find guys that big with that kind of athleticism. There's a little bit of risk. He got flagged for a drug test of some kind at the Combine, which, you know, that is on my radar a little bit.

That all depends what kind of drug. I mean, that's a wide variety of options there. It was the one. It was the drug that's legal here in California, so I don't think people were too worried. You're talking about marijuana. A little weed. A little weed. Yeah.

Okay. So I'm excited. and I'm happy with that pick. And now, hopefully, at least for the Jets, I don't know what the Browns do next, that wide receiver that you want. I hope you get that in the middle of the second round. We'll see.

Good job, Joe Douglas. Let us move on. So Mark and I are happy. We're feeling good. Weird that our organizations, by the way, Mark, are in this trajectory where three years ago, we were celebrating, drafting our quarterbacks, and now they both draft the left tackle

that's supposed to protect their quarterbacks for the next decade. Maybe these teams will start winning now. That would be great. Well, I would say, right, here we are, it's April. You know, six months from now, are they going to be 0 and 4 in utter disasters? Or can they change the story a little bit? Change the story.

All right. The first wide receiver comes off the board. So the Raiders, the draft could not work out better for them, a team that was a desperate need, as we talked about, for a wide receiver. When they pick at 12, they don't have to move, and they get to pick any wide receiver they want coming out of college. They go with Henry Ruggs out of Alabama, guy with speed. He's a guy that he's exactly what this team needed after the Antonio Brown fiasco, Wes. Your thoughts on this move?

It can't really. It's hard to knock it. Yeah, it made me think it was a Gruden pick that this is the kind of guy that Gruden would love to scheme up and do all the stuff before the snap that the chiefs do with Tyreek Hill. And my second thought was I hope he's more like Tyreek Hill and less like Brandon Cooks. Brandon Cooks was pretty damn good before those injuries started. He is. but Brandon Cooks is a guy we all thought coming into the league was going to be a guy you can use close to the line of scrimmage like Percy Harvin and break tackles and do all that stuff and he ended up being more of a strict downfield guy and I think when you draft a guy like this you want to be able to do both you want to do the downfield stuff and the and the pre-snap behind the line of scrimmage stuff I mean his his speed and his like you know quickness to get off the line is is going to rival anyone in the NFL I mean it might you know it'll be

there with Tyree Kill and he's had good hands and so that that's why he goes first and of course the Raiders know a million things more than me it's just weird to look at like you know the box box score from the Alabama season and see that Henry Ruggs was their third receiver and had 750 yards and had like 500 yards less than defante Smith and 500 yards less than Jerry Judy and he just had so much less production and he's like a return guy and and it'll probably work out and And at the very least, he has, like, a very defined skill set that they're going to use. But that, I don't know, that weirds me out a little bit. The receivers that come in and everyone's like, well, they got returnability too.

Like, that's where you get into trouble with Ted Ginn and Cordrell Patterson and other guys at the top of the draft that have a lot of speed. Right. Who had this as the number one wideout coming off the board? I mean, I know, you know, Ruggs picked up steam definitely later in the process. But I viewed this as a pretty big upset. But then there's Mike Mayock. And, you know, he definitely is someone that when he falls for a player, I mean, he's committed to it. And Wes, maybe you're right.

Maybe this is a Gruden fetish as well. Al Davis would love this pick. It's very much a Raiders pick. And like all the draft nicks like DJ had him as like a top 12 player. So it wasn't too crazy. It's just weird to see a guy that didn't produce nearly as much as his teammates. I don't know. That would weird me out.

What could be deemed crazy and we'll get to it is the second Raiders pick, which is the one. And there's always one where the draft nicks are left scratching their head a little bit, and we'll get to that in a little bit. At 13, like I said, no trades in the first 12 picks, but then it starts with the Buccaneers who trade with the 49, excuse me, the 49ers were at 13. Is that correct? And they trade with the Bucs. So the Bucks move up one spot.

And that actually was, it's something I was kind of legitimately curious about. If you're drafting 14th in the first round, you move up one pick. what should that cost you? What's the price? What would be an acceptable price to move up one pick in the middle of the first round of a draft? What would you guess

if no one told you what the terms were? $300. Well, it depends which pick, but yeah, in the middle. This marks first draft. In the middle of the round. It's a fourth round pick. It costs you a fourth round pick in this case.

Anyway, so the Tampa Bay hit three hundred dollars. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, three rocks, Danny. They select Tristan Worf's. the other offensive tackle of the big four that everybody was talking about. So the Bucks, man, they're having a flashy offseason because not only they get Tom Brady and Grog, now they make a trade and get one of these big four linemen, good for them. So they get a tackle.

And then the Niners, they stay at 14 and draft Javon Kinlaw, the big defensive tackle. Some people thought they would take a wide receiver here. They take the defensive tackle. Your thoughts, gentlemen. I love the way the 49ers play. this knowing that they wanted kinlaw and then looking at Tampa's roster and saying well they have endomic and sue and Vita Vaya they're not going defensive tackle here so let's just pick up a free mid-round pick and get the same guy we were after and on the

flip side brilliant I like that the Bucks got this guy he's a good player but it as it turned out they didn't have to trade up for him well maybe maybe the 49ers convinced them that someone else was moving up to that spot you know Lynch might say well I've gotten one call to get something, who knows if he had faked him, it couldn't have worked out more perfectly for the buck because they need a right tackle. And they're going to play worse, they said, at right tackle. And, you know, unlike the Brown's pick, he doesn't have to move sides. He seemed like the safer, more pro-ready, like pass protection guy. And they are in all in for two years with Tom Brady mode. So the Jets guy has a lot more upside. You don't have to change positions, but like

this seemed like the safer pick because they just need to, you know, get it going for 2020. They can't wait around. A lot of people thought the Giants would go after Worf's way up at, you know, number four. So I love it. These guys know what they're talking about, these draft guys, because that's what they said. They said, there's really going to be no way to judge who's going to be taken out of those four guys because it's a complete, like, jumble in terms of who's the best guy. And that's exactly how it turned out, it seems. I'm with Greg, though.

I think that maybe the Bucks felt that it wasn't that, oh, we think the Niners are going to take our tackle at all. but that someone else might have, and they had pinpointed him. And, you know, they showed Bruce Ariens in his homestead, and he looks super chill and super pleased with what went down. So I don't think they had a problem, you know, giving away whatever it cost them to get up in that spot. I love this. Bucks off season is insane.

And, like, I, you know, I joke about that they're going to have nine primetime games, but I can't think of a more fascinating team right now. And someone made a great point. Someone DM me and said, it's too bad they already picked hard knocks because this would never happen, but the best hard knocks combo ever would be not the Chargers and the Rams,

but the Patriots and the Bucks, that would be fascinating to watch. Just Ariens and Brady would be great, just in Gronk, and that would be fun. The 49ers making this pick, too. I like it when teams just, like, they make the same picks all the time. Like, they're just into certain sort of players.

Like, Kinlaugh is very much in their mold of defensive linemen that they take a replacement for DeForest Buckner and then with their second pick that they traded back up into the round to get their receiver they took Brandon Ayick who's like exactly like all of their other receivers. He was the one guy

I saw that I didn't quite get but he's like just a he looks like a running back playing wide receiver. A run after the catch guy who's just like heard and Devo Samuel and like that they brought in Pierre Gerson like Pierre Gerson wannabes and they just keep taking the same guys over and over and that's what they do

and you've got to try to stop them. Well, the knock on Ayuk was that he only runs like three routes, the same ones that all of Kyle Shanahan's wide receivers run. I mean, that guy schemes wide receivers open better than anybody, so I don't even know if route running is as important for a 49ers receiver as it is for other teams. We mentioned hard knocks, by the way. I did broach it with our features editor Ali Bunpuri,

the idea of walking away from the hard knocks recaps this year, a sign of protest with the decision to go with the two LA teams, a little pushback. So I'll keep you guys updated how that goes. Yeah, I think you're going to, I suspect his move, you know, I feel like is like, well, we can just have someone else write it. Well, that would be fine, but that's not what he said initially. Okay, okay. Said, I don't know about that.

Let's talk about this again after the draft. How would you feel, Dan, if you were allowed off the assignment, and West just picked it up as his pet project in August. be fine for you yeah dan's fine with this yeah actually i would we we've heard dan's takes on hard knocks i would i would like to hear west uh well i've yet i've yet to survive past the third episode of any season of the show so i doubt that would they want me on it that dare you all right moving moving um jerry judy goes to the denver broncos with the 15th overall pick john elway really feeling himself in the shots of his fishermen's cabin,

wherever the hell Johnny was. But he got his wide receiver and he seemed very happy with the pick. And considering Judy was the guy that some people thought would go first among the wide receivers, getting him in the middle of the first round, you understand why Mr. L.A. was so pumped up. Well, yeah, he said after the draft that Judy was the number one guy on their board. I don't know if that's clear whether he was talking wide receivers or overall. but I, you know, I'm a sucker for a Denver team, and I love their off-season.

This is the team of the Westie-O. I like that you're embracing it now, West, you know, after a little bit of pushback at first. Both of the teams that burned me hard last year, the Cowboys and Broncos, I loved what they did in the draft. The Cowboys getting C.D. Lamb, a guy who Jerry Jones said was number six overall on their board. And I'm kind of interested to see what they would have done had he not been there. It sounded like they were studying cornerbacks and may have gone in that draft. direction. But back to the Broncos, I just really like their offseason. You pair him with Melvin Gordon. They picked up Graham Glasgow to solidify their offensive line, and they get J.L. Casey

or not, AJ Boyer on defense. I mean, go ahead. Go ahead. Well, we were due to do it. It's the old go ahead. It's always Mark. The old remote trick. You do it, Mike is pointing to me. I just, I was convinced Denver, you know, at this point, every single team in the league was whispered about as wanting to move up or down. So, I mean, it's all irrelevant. But I thought Denver was ripe and would have to move up to get this player. And there were a couple teams today where the perfect player fell to them without any movement. I don't remember too many drafts like that where the lack of trade activity didn't leave me thinking that teams weren't aggressive enough just because of who landed in their laps.

You know how you guys get annoyed with like the NFC East, the Giants and Cowboys? is getting too much love. My version of that is football pundits falling over themselves to compliment John Elway whenever possible. So another big night for those people. It's back. It's back because this team is fun.

You know, you had the Broncos trading up in your mock mark. I know we'll get to that later for Jerry Judy. Right. But you're right. Like for him to be able to pair Judy with Cortland Sutton, that is a badass duo. Judy to me seemed like the highest upside and the safest guy.

because you just like watch him run routes. He's going to, you know, make Matt Harmon go nuts. Like, in a worst case scenario, like this guy can get open is going to be like a Stevie Johnson or San Antonio Holmes. And he could be a lot better. Him and Thutton next to each other. It's like it's not setting up for the Drew well, Drew locked outers like me very well because he's just like in a great situation. Well, he's still got to make the throws though. Yeah.

That's another conversation. Well, it's not a podcast without you throw in shade at Drew Locke. I'm happy to hear you made plenty of those throws last year I thought too I'm not even a doubter at all I'm not even a doubter at all I just want to see more it's like five games that were they were good they were fine they were fine and I think everybody knows it could go either way but if you listen to this show on a weekly basis it can only go poorly well now he has no excuses West the expectations are through the roof for just saying it might be might be smart it might be hoove Mr. Elway to have a backup I agree with that you got to get a better backup all right The Atlanta Falcons take A.J. Terrell out of Clemson, the cornerback at 16. Also, I feel like we dug into the draft a little harder this year as a podcast than we have in recent years. And all of these things are lining up in terms of what we talked about. We had heard the Falcons wanted to move up potentially to get into the Jeff Acuta sweepstakes. They needed a guy in their secondary to replace Desmond Truffant.

They get that in A.J. Terrell or Terrell? Terrell. Well, it was as chalk a top 16 picks, I think, as I've ever covered. Absolutely. It's the opposite of what everyone said where it's like, oh, it's going to be crazy. No, it was exactly how a lot of mock drafts looked. And speaking of chalk, at 18, the dolphins get Austin Jackson. Everyone thought that they were going to get a tackle with Tua on board,

and they get Jackson, who's thought to be the next tier after those big four. But it was the pick in between that was interesting because the Dallas Cowboys, they take C.D. Lamb, who in the minds of many, and the Jets were mocked to C.D. Lamb by a lot of people, myself included, at number 11. So he ends up being the third wide receiver off the board. And now Chris Wesleying, you have a situation where the Dallas Cowboys, sometimes it feels like this organization is building a fantasy team to me,

because now you bring in another huge target, a talented target for Dak Prescott to work with, Amari Cooper, C.D. Lamb, that is pretty good stuff with, of course, Zeke Elliott in the backfield. Oh, I love the pick. And I saw Daniel Jeremiah said something similar. He loves the fit. And it's a guy who can play inside or outside. They needed a slot receiver with Randall Cobb leaving. But I do think an interesting way to look at it is would they have signed Amari Cooper had they known C.D. Lamb would be available. And I think the answer is no. I don't. I think they would have allocated the research. resources elsewhere if they know they could get CD Lamb. But many people think it's the best receiver in the draft.

Isn't it better to have logic, right? Isn't it better to have, have three great receiver? I feel like you need. Sure, but is it also better to have two really good receivers and then fix, fix another problem, get a cornerback? I don't know. When we were talking about when Amari Cooper was headed toward free agency and there was this thought, what are the Cowboys going to do because they're in a bit of a bind

financially potentially if they give this guy a huge contract and then they went and did that the theory for letting him walk was then finding his replacement, again, which happens in this league all the time, in our league in the draft. So yeah, that's exactly how it turned out, but they ended up paying them a trillion dollars. So they are pretty set up there. This is a, this is going to be a loaded offense. And, you know, Dak Prescott, if he doesn't end up signing that long-term deal, it's going to be a really interesting season with him because they're basically going to have, I know the offensive line maybe isn't what it was a couple years ago, but he will have, as good as setup as anybody in the league.

And he'll be expected to have a huge season, which will only put more pressure on him. It's an already pressure-filled situation. I think there's also immense pressure on Mike McCarthy suddenly. I mean, he's walked into, most first year, first, you know, you got the home, shoot. Right, there you go. Forget about it.

How many coaches walk into a first-year situation with this kind of offense? I mean, usually you go in there because who was there before led to a total train wreck and you're walking into a bit of a rebuilding project, Mike McCarthy does not have many excuses for them to do anything less than go about 11 and 5 or 12 and 4. But he's got the, I mean, at least offensively, he's got the players, you know. What about defensively? No, I don't think they do.

I don't think they do on defense, but it's a big win for Tom Pelliserro. I mean, he puts out that feature, gets McCarthy hired, and McCarthy's going to have a revenge tour through this league. I mean, Lamb Cooper and Gallup complement each other very well. That is like a, like if, if Lamb is who he's supposed to be, he was DJ's top receiver, kind of a run after the catch guy in the middle. I mean, those three all fit together really nicely. Yeah, up had 1100 yards, 17 yards of reception and six touchdowns last year. I mean, I get it and I get the idea that CD Lamb is a guy who can be a star, but was this a real position of need for the Cowboys in relation to other parts of their roster?

I think it felt like it's a very cowboy. move it's a very Jerry Jones move he's taking a lot of DNA of what they do he's taking a lot of big names take the best player available we always say that I mean that's what pays off in the long run it felt like that's right around where the draft got less uh sexy I guess like where there was a big drop off in talent they kind of took the last like big name and he's done they've done that before with guys that for whatever reason have fallen in drafts and Jerry takes like the biggest name guy there is funny you should say that West because uh I mentioned of course Austin Jackson's the Dolphins. That was a pick for need. Then the Raiders have a supreme pick for need.

They needed cornerback help. The best guys were off the board. They take Damon Arnett at Ohio State. This is a guy that had been mocked. I think DJ said some crazy. Like he was like his like number 15 cornerback. It was or it was something really surprising. He had him 59th overall. I did go check that. Just to, you know, try to stoke some NFL network analyst on analyst. He, he, you know, in my winners and losers, just saying like, you know, Mayak versus Jeremiah, who's going to be right here? That's pretty good. That's pretty good. But he was a guy that was expected to go tomorrow or even maybe on Saturday. Instead, he goes at pick 19. So the Raiders and the Mayok Gruden regime surprised people last year when they took Cleland Farrell early. And that didn't work out so well, at least as a rookie. And now they have Arnette as their second first rounder here. And we'll see how that goes. Yeah, I kept reading that he's basically a knucklehead. And then to hear he's Chris Carter's son, the son of a knucklehead.

Chris Carter, who went to the Hall of Fame, but early in his career, knuckleheaded his way out of Philadelphia. Come on, Wes. Put some respect on that, man. Best hand and boundary man of all time. Absolutely. But he did work his way out of Philadelphia because of attitude issues. And, I mean, this is a player that almost, they talked about almost walking away from college football a year ago. So, I mean, look, the Seahawks have been selling.

celebrated for seeing things differently in the draft. Not that they've hit on all those. Not by their fans lately. No, but I'm saying, but early on, that was an early staple of John Snyder was like, they're going to zig when you think they're going to go in the other direction. And Mayock is proving to be similar. And, you know, we'll tell.

I mean, I don't really care what people think tonight about it. They know a lot more about the player than most people that were shocked by the pick. So we'll see. In fairness to Chris Carter, he was an addict. He was a cocaine user and an alcoholic in those Eagles days. Well, he conquered those demons. That's fair? No, I'm saying it wasn't just like he was a knucklehead.

He actually had a problem. Generally not what you want in a wide receiver, though. I know. I just, I thought it was a line. One's like if you're like a Truman Johnson type guy. That's one type of knucklehead. Right. The other one is if you're actually dealing with some demons.

Right. To Mark's point, like the story that he basically stopped showing up, you know, to school. but because he probably thought he was going to go pro, but it wasn't really going to make sense last year. That's one way to look at it. But by all accounts, like his number one attribute is his competitiveness, that he's like a dog.

That DJ said that's why he had him as high as he was, that he doesn't seem like overly talented, but he's insanely competitive, which is seemingly what Mayak keeps taking guys like that. Can we bring in Erica a second? Hey, Ricky, this is a primetime podcast. Yeah. I think it's fair to touch on some mature themes.

here you had mentioned in the messaging section of our setup here that your upstairs neighbors are a little busy and it's a theme connected to this podcast because mark you had a similar thing with your motel six room well that's right yeah i want to hear about the current situation what's the status right now yeah current situation is i was like i took my headphones off and i was like what the heck is that uh there's a little bit of uh you know you practice easy with the words here we got to be safe, though. Yeah, yeah. There's listening in cars.

Your video was shaking a little. You thought there might have been another little aftershock, like an earthquake hit. Yeah, like I was getting vibrations all the way down here. What was the, on the Richter scale, what were the vibrations? It was, it was loud and powerful enough that I had to take my headphones off being like, what? 7.5? Yeah. How long is the earthquake?

How long was the earthquake going on for? It's been going for a while, but it, there's a couple questions. that I have up in the air. So seems one-sided. So I'm confused. Yeah, I'll report back if I can get any more information. Is that area of the building known for natural disasters? Yes.

One-sided earthquake. But normally it's two-sided, but the girlfriend's car hasn't been in the garage for a long time. So think they... Is that an expression or... No, like, I think they broke up. I think that the girlfriend is not. longer in the in the picture so this is new maybe it's just him up there it just I only recognize one voice and there's like no voices no kind of uh all right well keep us updated okay I don't miss

sharing walls with other people know what I mean like that's one thing I don't miss there's something to look forward to Ricky when you get in your 30s eventual you you will move on hopefully even before your 30s to a place with your own walls and you don't have to worry about those things anymore because it was annoying i mean it's not a roommate i just i happen to live in a building yeah yeah it's like cliff kingsbury's not dealing with this issue i mean maybe maybe he would be personally but i mean right not through a wall i lived above a bar uh with a child on second avenue that was a bad idea wow i you know that the cliff kingsbury thing is still sitting with me a little weird that i'm not saying it's like a bad thing he took that photo or like had someone take

that photo here's the only negative I know he's going to say, oh, what a flex by Cliff Kingsbury. But it's like, I don't know, man. And he's wearing his little like Versace loafers. Yep. Like, yeah, I want my football coaches with big guts. You know, I don't want him looking like Bruce Ariens. Like they haven't slept in seven months.

And they live in a group in this year. I don't want to, you're looking like you're out of a GQ ad, like GQ Arizona. Well, you just have better taste in interior decoration than other coaches do. I don't want my coaches to have good taste in interior decoration. I'll take Kevin Stefansky, who's flat out hot. I mean, Kevin Stefansky is just a flat out an attractive man. I'll take that over a big tubby guy that's rolling around, like a big barrel. Wait a second, but you love Freddie Kitchens, and he was basically the opposite side of this.

I'd like to go to a bar with Freddie Kitchens. I think he hit the Peter Principle pretty hard last year. How about what did you think of Belichick in his, like, sandals in Nintucket, Nintucket Beach House that they showed him in tonight? yawn. I love how. What? It's like, let's just

book it to trade out of the first round. I mean, what were they, what was their plan this evening? I just love how. At least a dozen times you found Bill Belichick to be an attractive man. I think that? Yes. We are off.

I don't think he's attractive. But, well, that's fine. But I'm just saying that in today's world, when we're looking at all these younger coaches, Bill Belichick's not doing it for me on the hotness scale. It was a 90 for 20 years ago. That sounds like what Dan wants out of a coach, though. I was just going to say that I'm just so happy how irrelevant the Patriots are now.

But, you know, now that I'm in my 40s, I don't want to be petty like that anymore. So I'm not going to say it. Oh, you crossed that threshold today alone. There's no way this could come back to bite you. It is like the most classic Patriots thing, though, to trade out of the first round in this. Absolutely. We talked about it. It's not special anymore.

Well, to the point where, you know, we were all texting the. entire show. None of us, when they trade it out, none of us even text to each other because it's like snore. Every time. So they do. They have four third round picks. No one loves the third round pick. We don't matter anymore. And the Patriots. All right, let's move to the 20s. The Jacksonville, Jaguars take K. Levon Chason out of LSU, outside linebacker. The Eagles, they do address the wide receiver position, which we are all demanding they did. I think we were all starting to get a little annoyed with the Eagles, do something. Get somebody in there to help out. Colleen was annoyed. Yeah. Carson Wentz.

Colleen actually saw the, she texted me and Colleen's getting loose. She originally was maybe going to be involved with today's show, but she was getting so loose and enjoying herself after our hard days work. She did a great job in the lead-up to the draft on NFL Network that I was like, don't worry about it, Connie. Just relax. But she was sent in some texts during the draft, and she mentioned that she thought C.D. Lamb to the Cowboys. was essentially Jarrah just raising two middle fingers at the Eagles. Yeah?

That it just felt like that. That checks out to me. So the Eagles have to settle for Jalen Rager, who, by the way, from TCU, is a guy that people seem to really like. And he's a quick receiver. He's a guy that knows how to get open. And damn it, does Carson wants to need a guy that knows how to get open and makes some plays? I thought he was maybe the boom or bus guy of,

of that receiver group. Like, if you just put his 10 best plays together, I think he might look like the most explosive player in the draft. His return ability was insane. Like, his deep ball ability was insane. He had, like, bad quarterbacks around him. But there was concerns about whether, you know, he was that consistent a worker.

His hands were a little up and down. Like, there were a little bit of red flags where it looks like he's a boomer bus guy. But he reminds you a lot of Deshawn Jackson, except like 20 pounds bigger and can jump and go out and get the ball. It felt like a swing for the fences type of pick, which is what we wanted out of them. The Laquan Treadwell season, I think it was a 2016 draft. It was right around this time in the first round where I think three wideouts went in a row.

And I think, did any of those three guys make it? Does anybody remember that class? But it ended up being underwhelming. So we have, Rager goes to the Eagles. And then in 22, Justin Jefferson, the wide out goes to the Vikings who replaced Stefan Diggs with the guy that led the NCAA in receptions last season. So the Vikings fill a need, and now these two guys are linked together,

and we see we'll find out which of these two NFC teams pick the right guy. One note, those three receivers were Will Fuller, Josh Dotson, and Treadwell. Okay, so Fuller is. Two of the three, no thank you. Good one healthy with the other guys. The other guys have both been cut. Yeah, they are.

Did not work out. Anyway, so both very sensible decisions for the Eagles and Vikings here. I feel like that point about Rieger being boom or bust, that describes the whole Eagles wide receiver core, that if Alshan Jeffrey comes back healthy, if the Sean Jackson's not too old, and I forgot JJ Arthega Whiteside is even on the roster. I mean, he looks, it was only one.

Second rounder last year, right? There's only one year, but it was about as bad a year as you could have. Rick Spielman, the Vikings GM, sneaky. pretty good in the draft over the years, as Wes mentioned. And getting Jefferson, I mean, people thought he was probably safer. He does a lot of the same things as Adam Thielen. Like, he's inside. And then they get Gladney, who's 31st, who's like a total Mike Zimmer, like, slot cornerback, you know, feisty guy, like great instincts. And also seems like a safe pick. It, like, seemed like two guys that could play for them right away for a team that's in the mix.

I mean, Jefferson had 111 catches last year, which led the all of college football and dominated from the slots. So I like the pick for the Vikings. At 23, that was the Patriot spot. And Belichick trades out of it. And the Chargers slide in and take Kenneth Murray, an inside linebacker out of Oklahoma. The Chargers couldn't stop anybody on the ground last year. So this is hoping to address a need there. Murray, that is a area of expertise.

And, Greg, are you okay with that? the Pats moving out and doing the Pats thing? Or was this a year maybe you would have liked to see them be more aggressive in this round? No, I like them doing what they've always done because it's just, I mean, that's what they do. They got, they have four third round picks and they have, what, two, do they have a second round? I think they have four third round picks, two or three, fourth round picks and a second round pick. It's like, that's what they'll do. You knew there was a give.

You have so many special teamers? It was like a giveaway. So many Matt Slater's. Someone on the telecast said like, and they think they're going to, going to be able to take the same guy they would take at 37 that they were going to take at 23. So they're going to take some random dude. No one's ever heard of. They might as well take him at 37. Ricky, how are you feeling? After all the traumatic, you know, a couple weeks or a month or so

for Patriots fans. And now you don't even get a shiny toy under the Christmas tree. Get them tomorrow. I mean, they moved down 14 spots. All right, Greg. I want to hear Eric. I know. Well, she's muted right now. So I'm just buying time. No, it was, it was exactly what Greg said. Like, I rolled my eyes when it happened, but it, I would have, I don't know, I thought maybe it's something crazy would happen. It's not just all the players in New England are brainwashed. Look at the fans, too.

Bill did a nice job. I mean, if you're going to give me first round picks to be successful. Oh, we all wanted it. We didn't want a first round pick. We won eight round picks. I wonder if they wanted Jefferson. That did cross my mind. Pick number 137 better than pick 23. I mean, if there's ever going to be a guy that you would. just trust what's going on and not really worry about it. Why not? What the hell do I know?

Logan Mankins was literally the least popular pick anything they've ever made. Eight round better than first round. I love it. It was an impression. All right. Moving on. Bye, Ricky.

Saints take Cesar Ruiz, a center out of Michigan. Nice job there. The Niners from the Minnesota Vikings take... Good job there. Well, you know, we talked about the... Saints, they don't have a glaring hole. So they go and they get like a workman-like center that I guess gives them depth. I think they're got to trade or cut Larry Warford, who made the Pro Bowl last year.

It shows you how worthless the Pro Bowl is. He's what a free agent after this season? He's as a $12 million cap figure and apparently they weren't thrilled with him. Okay. The Niners, they trade up to 25. Is that correct? Yep. They take Brandon Ayuk from Arizona State, a wide.

receiver. Any thoughts on that, gentlemen? Before I get to the next, the Ricker's scale. I think Greg touched on. Yeah, we touched on him. Okay. And then the late pick of the draft that kind of, you know, got everybody titillated. The Green Bay Packers with the 26th pick in the draft, they trade up to take Jordan Love

quarterback Utah State. And we talked about Jordan Love in the past couple of weeks. Brangutte canst The onions on this guy He makes the decision It's the first time this has ever happened A decision made With the post Aaron Rogers

Green Bay Packers in mind Wes Isn't it funny how life works Yeah I went through all the cliches Like the tables have turned The shoes on the other foot What goes around comes around What's good for the goose is good for the gander

Spider-Man meme, but Rogers got farved. And I'm like, I'm thinking, Father Time is a bitch. I mean, not just for Rogers, but the fact that I thought I was a young man when all that happened with Fav and Rogers, and now it's

happening to the same guy in the other way around. To me, it's like classic Greek theater. How about this was? Tempest that Rogers is under now. It's happening to Rogers later in his career, then it happened when it was Farr. Farv was 35 when Rogers came aboard, and Aaron Rogers is now 36. It is wild. I think that there is one difference

here that Farr was threatening retirement at that age, and Rogers doesn't want anything to do with that. This is his team. Well, what is the plan here? It just feels like an incredibly disruptive pull of the trigger. If you've got a quarterback who's very, right, I mean, Aaron Rogers is like nothing if not a little quirky. I mean, this does not feel like the guy that's going to, no, we don't know. But it's not the first guy I'd pick in the power rankings of like coddling number one quarterback who wants to embrace young quarterback who's just been drafted in the first round after the team traded up for him.

I mean, Rogers put Brett Farv on blast in a way and made it known that Farv was not a very good dude to him. So let's see what kind of integrity Rogers has now because we'll find out. It will leak if this is not a good role. relationship between these two guys. But then from Roger and defense of Rogers, I hate it. I mean, I hate it if I'm Aaron Rogers. Like you gave me this huge contract. You bring in this coach that's going to help me get back to the way I was. You get, we get to the NFC title game. It's clear that we need some pieces. And then instead of using your first round pick on something that improves the

roster in 2020, you take my replacement. Like I get why he would be super mad. Like it made me think of the Better Call Sol finale, spoiler alert ahead, when Lalo sees that his Abolito was a gunned down in the compound raid, and you just see him angrily stalk off screen as the season ends. Aaron Rogers is furious right now. And you know all the beat guys are trying to get in touch with them, and they want something on the record, and maybe he says the right thing, maybe he says nothing at all. But he is furious, and I totally get it. Yeah, we got to get Bob McGinn back on the phone because I'd love to hear his thoughts.

Bob was not talking about it, Ron. I mean, we could have talked to Bob for 20 minutes about Aaron Rogers. He wanted to say anything. He, um, he didn't, they didn't just, you know, draft Rogers' replacement, like, because he fell to him. They traded up for him. Trade it up. They gave up a mid-round pick in this year's draft to go get him.

And they didn't just take anyone. They took the only guy in the last couple of drafts that can go on the field and maybe throw the ball as well as Aaron Rogers, at least it's hard, like, who has maybe just, just like Aaron Rogers compared, Aaron Rogers would have been the only guy when Brett Favre was around that could have come in and actually been a physical match for him. Jordan Love is nothing, if not like a physical freak. I think he's got a lot more red flags than Mahomes did, you know, coming into the league or Rogers did coming into the league in terms of decision making and accuracy and all that.

But like his arm and his athleticism are outrageous. And you know, you know it's going to make Rogers up his game. And he's has a lot of guaranteed money in the next couple of years in terms of like they can't really get rid of he's got to be there for two more years and then and then it gets crazy dan you said that you would have hated this if you were rogers but you're the first person i thought of this is the kind of this is the kind of drama that you can really enjoy sit back and enjoy i love it i'm going to sink my teeth into this for three years it's your birthday present from the packers and it's a nice it's so much fun i mean that's what i love about sports but especially

covering the NFL on a daily basis that it's all soap opera and the draft is a huge payoff uh it's like a season finale in its own way and this is this is crazy and jordan love i wonder if jordan love is kind of bummed out right now because not only is he the packers are a great organization but you're playing in wisconsin uh it's cold all the time and dark and you're you're he's coming from utah so you know uh yeah your teammate your teammate is Aaron rogers one of the greatest quarterbacks ever but a well-known kind of prickly personality who might be very unhappy about the situation and on top of it Aaron Rogers is not going anywhere anytime soon, so there's a very good chance you could end up getting redshirted for at least two seasons. So that doesn't seem like a great situation for the kid. That said, I mean, they always use Aaron Rogers as the example of someone that was helped by sitting for a little while.

Was he though? Or was he just stuck behind? I'm just saying, I mean, you could look at Patrick Mahomes and say, if it's two years, that feels like a long time. But if this thing progresses more quickly, but it's one season or two. and, you know, he has a chance to learn because I don't think he's a totally finished product based on what they say about him. I don't know if I hate that for love, but it is a weird, it's just the dynamic. The Packers created something that they did not need to create.

They must love this guy. I mean, I find it amazingly dramatic and sensational from that angle. I love it. I think they must have, I thought the same thing as you, Dan, and they had Jordan Love on ESPN after. Actually, he seemed delayed.

So he didn't betray, any, um, uh, anxiety about it. He seemed delayed to be with them and to learn from like a millionaire now too. Right. He's going to the first round. And he probably is a guy like, it really was a luxury pick and like a rare opportunity that they must have thought because he seems like a guy who if he's going to have any chance to take advantage of all that skills. Like he really can't, he really does need to sit for a while. So it's great for him. And and you know, maybe, uh, to your theory about Rogers and the eye of the tiger, who knows, maybe maybe they're trying to stoke the fires.

Ooh, that's interesting. I like that. I kind of doubt that, though, based on his reputation. You know, I don't know. I mean, what would- It's an expensive way to go. I mean, if that's what they're trying to do, there are other ways to get there. I mean, we have now reached a world where we need to check in on Aaron Rogers' contract,

see how much is, how many more years are guaranteed, when they can get out of the deal. We have entered that phase now of his career in Green Bay, and we'll see how it plays out. Oh, the beatwriters love it. They are. I'm looking at Rob Domowski of ESPN. Now Rogers will have to decide whether he will freeze out love or help him. I do want to throw out. Someone actually asked him in the lead up to the draft on his normal radio show.

What would you do if they took a first round pick? And he gave the perfect answer. He's like, well, of course, you know, you'd like to see the mad. But I would welcome, welcome anyone to the building and help him out and whatever. Roger said that. Roger said that. He's on the record. About a quarterback?

He did, yeah. It was kind of amazing. I think it was Jason Wilde. I hope I'm not wrong who tweeted it out. But he had a long quote on a radio show from April talking about this exact scenario. I love it. As a Green Bay Packers, Ford Field, 65-yard Hail Mary to get Aaron Rogers' eye of a tiger back. Take the quarterback late in the first round.

Trained up to get him. Oh, this is going to be great. All right, let's finish up the first round. Brooks inside linebacker out of Texas Tech goes to the Seahawks at 27 at 28. Also, I wonder if the Packers needed to trade up to get Jordan Love. I guess we'll never know. At 28,

the Ravens take Patrick Queen inside linebacker out of LSU. I feel like LSU where there's like 14 guys drafted out of the college. Alabama and LSU. At 29, the Titans take Isaiah Wilson a tackle out of Georgia. Any thoughts on those picks

gentlemen? I think the Patrick Patrick Queen, and anyone on defense that the Ravens drafted, I would just tick it for a rookie Pro Bowl year. I think they're absolutely delighted that Patrick Queen fell to them. I had them taking a different linebacker in my mock because I think it's a position of need, and I just can't think of a team in the league that I trust more to grow young players on defense. They do it over and over.

So it's a great landing spot for Patrick Queen. I love that the Seahawks always take a guy that they're fans and no one else has ever heard of like in the first round like it's the 27th pick it's the Seahawks taking some guy you don't know at 30 the dolphins take a cornerback I'm going to go for it Noah a big Nageney nailed it a cornerback out of Auburn the Vikings take a cornerback Jeff Gladney and a touch on both of those guys and then the chiefs in the final pick of oh if we were doing sandwiches uh in this one this one this would have killed anybody who said no running back it's taken in the first round because they take

Clyde Edwards Hilaire out of LSU again so they have you know the chiefs have some depth back there running back but maybe they needed a more dynamic guy that took place behind Patrick Mahomes he joins a crew of

Damien Williams, Darrell Williams DeAndre Washington, Darwin Thompson so we'll see how all that shakes out but you know as a first round pick Clyde the glide's going to get some run The Chiefs are scary. I think the rest of the AFC, you're already checking under your bed for Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid before you turn out the lights at night. Right.

And now you get a guy who looks like some unholy mashup of Darren Sprouls and Priest Holmes. All they talk about is receiving ability, and he led the SEC and forced miss tackles and yards after contact as a rusher. And 15 out of the 32 picks were SEC. I mean, that conference was loaded. he he was like an incredible as you said receiver he's immediately going to be one of the higher ranked fantasy football prospect like he's going to be a top 30 fantasy pick at least if not like a top 15 or 20 because he's going to be a chiefs running back that catches 70 passes like it seems like such a safe uh pick by the chiefs that was one of my round one takeaways that these a fc west it's i'm so happy to hear every the kind of party line now is How are these teams in the AFC West? How are they going to try to keep up and close the distance on the chiefs? It used to be the Patriots for 20 years, and that was a very annoying thing to hear all the time.

Now the chiefs are that team that are the superpower, the champion, and the Chargers go get a quarterback, they hope, turns into a star at six. The Raiders get a wide receiver with their first pick in rugs. And then the Broncos get Jerry Judy. So there's an idea here that the only chance we have to beat the chiefs the way they're set up right now is to score points. And we have a better chance of just getting to shootouts than trying to draft guys to stop what might be an unstoppable offense. Doesn't it remind you of the Bill Polly and Colts with Peyton Manning where they just keep loading up on offense every year? Like, let's just keep adding to our strengths. And this is Joseph Adai.

You know, like maybe it's not going to like wow you, but he's going to just be racking up yards and catches. They're going to be insane. All right, Mark. So that's the first round. and we're going to go through the rest of the draft on Saturday night. Your mock draft, we've been talking about this last year. I called a soft launch last year as mock draft. Our goal here is to build you into an industry mainstay in this realm,

a superpower, a guy that maybe, just maybe we could spin off and maybe break off on our own and have maybe our own kind of website, and then you would have a whole section of the website as the draft insider. And all of a sudden we kind of have a portfolio for our website. So this was the big year. Breaking some news here. And I think that you had a really good year two. I think it was great.

The goal was nine and we came very close to nine out of 32. Yeah, I mean, after pick 18, I had eight and I was feeling good. Although I will admit that when you get past 18 or, you know, you're dealing with the back end of these mocks. I couldn't have picked half of these people out of the lineup. But at the same time, you felt like you just had to hit one more. I would say this. Last year, I believe I got two right, which was absurd. Two out of 32?

I believe that's what it was. That I mean, you're correctly predicting who's going to go in the first round. A lot of chalk this year. Right, not with the right team. So here's the way I view it. I went from two to eight. That's two times four is eight. And I'll help you out with the math here.

So next year, eight times four is 32. So next year is going to be absolute gold fever. You're calling your shot. Perfect. Well, that might not be. Yeah, I'm saying, you know, if we're going to exponentially. You're going to be the GM of the Raiders if you do that. Exactly, exactly.

So it's like, you know, the future is bright. This is not a two-year project. Like you said, this is going to become its own, you know, money-making cottage industry inside this Sessler household. So here we are. We needed growth in year two. We got it. Are we certain the mock draft's going to come back as a podcast next year at this point? No, we're not sure.

But will your mock draft return? Yes, it will. Is it going to keep getting its own episode? I don't know. Well, I would say there's a strong, you know, if I have any say in how the show is run at all, it will be returning. Well, it kind of didn't get its own episode this year. Yeah, Gronka retired and upstage.

But if you want to, we said, Nine things correct. I mean, I'm not trying to pull one of these old sandwich tricks where I'm trying to convince you that I got nine. Because I got eight. Awesome this year. This was a great year. You throw in gronk. That's nine. I'm just going to tell you that. But it is eight in terms of the draft. And I have to work on, you know, maybe doing a little bit more homework where I don't fall totally off a cliff over the last, what was it, 13 picks of round one where, you know, I went 0 for 13. Look what you just did for yourself. Congratulations. You just gave yourself more work next year. Well, you put too out and set the bar in outer space somewhere.

And I've not done this homework, but I'd like to, I just, and I, you know, I'm not competing with Daniel Jeremiah necessarily, but I just like to see. I'd like just to know, I mean, maybe he blew everyone out of the water. How many did he get right? Ricky. Yo. How did DJ do? Did you tabulate that? I was looking at it.

And I don't know the answer. Oh, cool. Thank. I actually, you know, I did debate about an hour and a half. half ago asking, I was like, is that something that a producer, if like the host of the podcast asked his producer to see how DJ did? And then I was like, no, she's going to think I'm a so I'm not going to ask her to do it. But then maybe she'll surprise me and maybe she will have done it, but you didn't. Well, so I don't. It's your birthday. I wasn't going to look at DJ's work.

I would never do that to you. That is a great. I'm not necessarily looking to cook up another feud with a with a coworker at this point either. I would maybe, you know, tap the brakes on that for a bit because I think it might ultimately have a negative impact on my scenario here at NFL Network. Okay. I just did it.

I just did it while you were yapping. He got seven right. Oh, good. Unless, you know. Oh, no. Seven? I mean, there's a margin for error here. You know, I quickly look,

but I think he got seven, yeah. Well, I don't know what to tell you. I don't know what to tell you. I'm not going to dunk on Jeremiah on Twitter. I don't know this because I feel like that would be maybe a bridge too far. Well, and I would please ask the listeners maybe don't do that either. Listeners settle down with, you know, hitting DJ with this or don't include, don't at me in it. A bridge too far.

I feel like him taking down, you know, he just tried to take down your wardrobe on television last week. That's a lot more personal than some mock draft. Go for it. I know, but, you know, you look how he dresses and it's like, do I need to fire back at the guy who dressed? is like he's at Sunday service every day. I'm not going to do that. Look how mature you are at age 40. You are really a changed man.

Exactly. I'm not going to do that. All right. Any final thoughts? I would say this. I know that round one is, you know, there's no slowing the hoopla train on round one. I think day two is always more interesting, round two at least, is always more interesting for me. I think that there, and also so many.

so many great players like come out of round two you know that that we that we may not know that well today but nick chub came in round two who would have known what you're getting out of that guy so those are the it's a great day those are the moves that really good teams like the jets for instance haven't had an all pro drafted in the second round since mark gastonoh teams that are run well uh that's where they really score because you're not paying them even at the top level of the rookie scale and you got them under your team control and they're a huge impact for your team. That's how you do it.

And I guess that's the bell check thing. I like to approach the draft by pairing it with free agency and seeing which franchises might be transformed. And the off seasons that I'm really enjoying, the Buccaneers, Chargers, Cardinals, Bengals, Broncos, to me all look like five franchises. It could be so much better in a year. And then I love what the 49ers and chiefs have done

coming off the Super Bowl to like, Yeah, you lose DeForest Buckner, but you replace him with Ken Law. I mean, I feel like both those teams have done such a good job of not losing too much. They haven't lost any ground on the competition, really. Yeah, this Friday of the draft on Saturday, to some extent, is I think saucier than normal because the running backs and the receivers, you know, ultimately guys like us are following a little bit more in the fantasy guys. It's a great group of guys still left.

Like, I watched these running back. I swear this running back class is awesome. Like if these running backs were in the draft 15 years ago, there'd be four or five first rounders. It's just like a different way to look at the league. But then you look back a couple years ago and Cook, Kamara, you know, Connor, who am I forgetting? Someone else went in the middle rounds of that, like in the second, third and fourth round. And they're all like Joe Mixon is another one I'm thinking of, like all in that draft. And they're all stars.

And Cam Acres, I think you could throw in that mix, Jonathan Taylor, maybe J.K. Dobbins, I like a lot. And like, these are guys who will step in right away and be factors. And there's a ton of receivers out there, too. So it seems like it's a more fun Friday than normal. Yep. A few things I loved, Roger Goodell's black denim jeans. Oh, yeah. Nice and casual in the basement.

Comfortable. Got to like that. He was TikToking with Judy, by the way. Nice. I liked, what else did I like? Dionne Sanders in the little COVID-19 intro. He promised everything was going to. to be okay. He's like, everybody, everything's going to be okay. I was like, oh, I noticed that. He said,

okay. I think he said, I promise you. He did say that with like a football field of a backyard behind them. And I just thought, like, how many people are watching this? Like, yeah, it's fine with if you got a football field behind you that he's, like, at first I had a lot of like consternation and concern about the future of mankind and what's going to happen next. But then Dionne Sanders promised me everything was going to be okay. So now I'm well, you're in the clear. Happy about that. So that was another birthday gift. Leadership.

And I like this quote from the new Jets left tackle, Mackay Beckton. I've never been to New York. I know the Jets had Brett Farve in the past. I know they had Ladanian Tomlinson in the past. Jets legends, Brett Farve and LaDenian Tomlinson. Well, he's not wrong. I hate to say it, but for like a 21-year-old, Dan, that that's what they know. Really?

Yeah, that's, they're the most. But even like a youngster, Brett Farv, like most people that blinked, forgot about the Brett Barb New York Jets season, but it's on his radar. Good for him. All right. Did I mention the Dion thing? I'm really feeling good. You, yes.

You brought that up. I mean, he promised. That big white beard. I do feel like we should give a little love to the Bengals that they got there. I know we just went past and we kind of knew they're going to get Joe Burr. But good job. Good job Bengals. I mean, you just got a guy who's about as if someone can inspire some confidence in the Cincinnati faithful in that organization,

And Joe Burrough seems like that guy. And good for you guys, because when the internet was dunking on Dave Gettleman for putting on a mask as the ESPN went to break at one point, I thought you guys would bring that up and make fun of him. But you know what? He's 69 years old. And here was his quote when asked about it. Well, I have a young IT fellow over here with me and we're social distancing. Part of it is the mask. I'm fine.

By the way, like what, a year removed from cancer? Right. Take a few precautions, Gettelman. I applaud that. Yeah. And the Gettlement jabs are becoming tired. Wes throwing a compliment at Gettlement in a big spot. I have complimented Gettlement a lot over the years.

It's not until he decided to run the Giants like they were a 1948 team that I. Right. He was a podcast favorite for quite a bit of time there. His ultimate sin, let's be honest, was that he became the boss of the Giants. Not a favorite team around these parts. When he came in and lied about Eli that he hasn't. lost the step and he's every bit as good as he's always been that really got him on my bad side all right i like the beginning part of the getting of the conversation there okay you're

right though west i forgot he's a cancer survivor so even more so how are you by the way you had a check up recently uh i did i've got another one coming up uh very soon so so far so good all my scans have been clean and i feel good beautiful and lakisha has the mobility she's she's starting to feel she entered a new stage where she's not like she's not enjoying her body as much as she did you know a few weeks ago it's starting she's beat she's a lot more fatigued she just feels heavy you know you know how it is at the end yep like Peyton Manning when he was getting pressure near the end of his career just dropping down she will she has a different walking style now by necessity well she's you're about a month away right I mean and and she has a

human inside of her her body when she walks around so that's almost six pounds now that Yeah, that's a lot to deal with. Well done. All right. This pod will stand tomorrow, so you'll have plenty of time to take it all in. And then we'll be back Saturday evening when round seven is complete. And we will recap the whole damn thing and also share some winners and losers. So exciting.

Dan, I want to play something for you, but before we get out of here. Oh, okay. All right. Who's this? You'll see. Who's this? Happy birthday, Zerzaa from beautiful Belfast in Northern Ireland. Dan, happy 40th from beautiful sunny Afghanistan.

I hope that you and the rest of the heroes are staying isolated and safe from COVID, a.k.a. the biggest seat. Wow. Go Hawks. Danny boy. Happy birthday, buddy. I just want to send a very special happy birthday shout out to the old deucer himself, Mr. Dan Hanzas. I'm wishing you peace and prosperity in the year to come. Hey, they say 40s and new 30. Not as dead.

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Oh, now, you're going to make me cry. You're going to make me cry on the internet. That was emotional. Whoa. That was very sweet. Look at Eric Tito's. Happy birthday. That was so nice. Thank you, Erica, for putting that together. And thank you. And those were just a few. I mean, the amount. that was sent in, Dan, it's overwhelming. You are such a special guy. And those, the females were actual listeners, not hired talent. Yeah, no, I didn't hire anyone.

That's great. We love it. We love our female listeners and all the bloke's out there as well. That was so nice. So thank you for that. I really appreciate it. And I'm very happy to be doing what I do and being alive. And it's true.

I did look it up, actually. The male life expectancy is 79. I love seeing so many different looks and accent. I mean, what a wide variety we have as listeners. Interesting people. I love seeing Zach Goldman, our former producers look. I mean, he's on a whole other one. It was beautiful.

And Eric could not even threatened, letting him be on that reel was very nice. Although she put him second to last. She didn't want to give him like the closer, you know, the letter of class. Cindy also sent in a greeting that did not make the real. Yeah, it didn't make a cut. All right. Thank you for that. Thank you to all the listeners.

and thank you to everyone for listening and we'll be back on Saturday and I'm going to drink this Tito's right now in honor of all you fine people including my podcast mates. I love you guys. Drink too. This is Dan Hansa signing off

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