NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Bunkercast XXX: 2020 Draft Winners and Losers

Episode Date: April 26, 2020

a bunker filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal bring you the winners and losers of the 2020 draft and Bob Bates stops by to give the newest Jets player some major HYPE. XXX style.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the 6th, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. We study the tape, talk to decision makers, and give you a perspective you won't find anywhere else.

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Hey, Dan. It does feel like that. Yes, it does. I did think that at some point do we need to stop calling them BunkerCast, you know, NFL, are we just, this is what the podcast is at this point. It's just the draft winners and losers show. And who knows if we're ever getting out of the bunkers? We better we get out of the bunkers.

I think this is about 28. I think it's our 28th show in the garage and apartments and backhouses and everywhere else. That's it. I know, right? Well, someone asked if you were a wagering person, would you bet on more bunker casts or more current Super Bowls? And this was a while ago, but I think bunker casts at this point are an easy out-of-the-park home run. Oh, so 55 bunker cast. I mean, if we're back in the office by 55, I would say that's a violent coup d'etat in terms of society freedom.

I always love when violent coup d'etat finds its way in sentences that you would never expect. You see us being back there in 23 episodes? I don't. Oh, no. Hell no. It's like we got out the guillotine and took care of coronavirus, just the revolution off at the head. I'm still, I think about sometimes if I left any food on my desk, what's going on in that place? That's so true.

I'd occasionally leave an apple or an apple and orange inside the desk. I mean, those things are a rotting corpse at this point. When we left, and again, we have so much to get to. The draft is in the books, and we're going to share our winners and losers from the 2020 NFL draft. But yeah, when we, when this began, just like everybody else in the world, that hit everybody by surprise. I didn't know when I walked out of that office that we might not. ever go back in. So I have a great like thermos that I had in the podcast studio that I almost thought about can I get into the building to get it. And then I was told the key cards have been

deactivated. So great. All right. Everything's fine. Yeah. The world's great. Yes. We're excited to go through everything that else that happened in the virtual draft. We are coming off our Thursday night, late Thursday night show where we gave you all the round one breakdown. And now we're going to spin through our thoughts and analysis on rounds two through seven and all that good stuff. You guys feeling good? What's your like, Greg, what's a big picture takeaway from what we lived through the last three days as football fans in the football industry in general? I mean, I really enjoyed it. Maybe it was just because I haven't had any sports to watch.

I mean, I guess I'm just very average in that way that, you know, Emeka, my wife commented to me. She's like, I can't remember you, like, you know, watching and stuff, like, getting as into the draft, you know, since we've been together. It's probably the last time I watched it at home, which was like 2005. Like, I just needed some sporting events. So I enjoyed it. You know, today, I don't know these day three guys, day three is, you know, day three is what a day. Tough sit.

Yeah, it's fine. But I liked it. It was a fun draft. All right. So we, as we do every year in this Saturday evening show, we go through the winners and losers. And let's get it going then. This will be fun. Wes, I want you to kick us off.

Give us a winner. Let's start positive before we start taking our shots. I'm going to do a tag team. Two NFs, two AFC West players, Drew Locke, quarterback of the Broncos and Josh Jacobs running back of the Raiders. and I'll start with the latter. Jacobs played with a quarterback who didn't really test anyone downfield last year, and I'm sure saw a lot of stacked boxes. Now you add, let me see these names here.

Lynn Bowden, who to me, when I read about him, seems like a new era Josh Cribs, former quarterback who's physical. You can use him all over the offense. You can use them in the return game. I'm sure he'll be their jet sweep kind of guy. Henry Ruggs, the fastest player in the draft. And then Brian Edwards, another big. wide receiver. You got a lot more weapons. That was the big weakness in this offense last year.

And I think Josh Jacobs will see a lot more room to run. He was so impressive last year. And I believe should have won the rookie of the year award. And then the Broncos just every problem they had on offense, they fixed it. And I thought the cherry on top was getting Lloyd Cushenberry, the center in the third round, who a lot of guys thought was a plug and play starter right off the back. Mark's favorite guy. Love Christian Barron. Had him at 32 to the Chiefs in my mock. I mean, that went south, but not for Denver.

I think Derek Carr, you know, you could throw him in there too for a winner. I mean, what an offseason he ended up having. The Tom Brady, you know, drama or rumors were clearly annoying to him for a while, but in the end, the results are what matters. And as Dan's pointed

out, I think Marioita is about as good of an option as he could have had behind him for a guy that he should be able to beat out. He knows John Grun's offense much better. And I think he's more talented than Mario da. And then you spend the whole start of the draft, you know, giving him more weapons, more options, more flavors. Bowden sounds like they announced him as a running back, but they're going to, he's going to be like a joker running back. You get to speedsters. The question I think with Carr is, you know, can he hit Henry Ruggs deep? He's always been such a conservative type of quarterback who doesn't

take deep shots. And it's almost like, okay, we're giving you these deep speed threats. We're giving you as much as we can. It's a nice offensive line. Like, go show it to us this year. This is your year, Derek Carr. We've probably said this before, but it really does feel like he has to play better this year than he did a year ago, I think, to keep that job. And their defense not as improved. And so this is going to have to be an offense first team, which is what they were last year, too, when they were winning games. It helps Carr a little bit that there's equal suspicion that Marcus Mariotta could hit anyone deep on an accurate basis also. Dan, getting your shots on Elway now.

Look at this offense. We'll see who's laughing next year when he parachutes into Green Bay, snatches Aaron Rogers away from the Packers, and installs him as the quarterback of this Broncos offense next year. Hey, listen, that's the only thing he's proven he can do is poach an obvious legend and then get the last drops of goodness. out of him. Yeah, and listen, I, at one point, Tray Wingo almost fell over himself talking about how unbelievable this Broncos draft was.

And it does look good on paper. But, you know, we'll see how it goes. I'm just saying it's been a rough, it's been a rough stretch for John Elway since Super Bowl 50, and he's going to need some results this year. I think, well, I'll concede that, but I think, I mean, even people who are skeptical of the Broncos have to look at the difference in this roster from last year. Yeah, I think they have to love it. I think what they haven't, you said fixed all their problems.

I mean, their offensive line made some progress last year. It's been bad since John Elway's been there, and it still might be bad. So that could be a problem for them. And the backup quarterback isn't going to change unless Elway was lying. I mean, I read these quotes from Elboway that said, we brought in Driscoll to be our backup. He's a backup quarterback in this league, and Drew Locke is a starter, is our starter. And so that part of it is not going to change unless. that was just some sort of smoke screen.

They believe in Drew Locke. They do. They really do. Why believe in Drew Driscoll? When Driscoll's your quarterback, it means your days of winning are over, even if it's just for a game or two. Like, he's not a winner. He's not going to carry you to wins.

It just doesn't happen. Let's just listen to Trey Wingo. It has been an unbelievable draft for the Denver Broncos. And let's not even add, Lloyd Cushenberry and McKelvin Aegean, the defense tackle out of Arkansas, unbelievable what the Denver

Broncos are doing. He's a snake charmer is what he is. I mean, he's also into like hour seven of live television. I'm sure not every comment is being... Listen, I'm again, I am not taking down the Broncos draft. It seems like they did a good job, but it does, the bar is so low

for Elway to clear to be seen as a genius in this league. That's all. Well, it's... And you Broncos fans are going to come after me again. in my mentions, and it happens a lot. But I'm just pointing out the obvious that it's like anything he does, he gets a benefit of the doubt, it seems. It looks great, but I have noticed over the years, and I am the first person who does is whoever drafts a bunch of offensive skill

players, everyone says they had a good draft. You know, because that's like the players you know. And it's like, oh, you can just imagine them coming to the team. And that is what the Broncos did, and it looks great on paper. And Wes, we talked about it at the combine. I like L.A. He reminds me, I think about my childhood. And he's one of the great quarterbacks of our youth.

But, you know, we'll see what happens. Good luck to the Broncos. I think your stance on this is fair. It certainly helped Elway that, well, not only was he a legend, but he came in and dominated that division for years. And maybe that was all Peyton Manning, but I agree with you. What he's done at quarterback and offensive line since Peyton Manning left the Broncos is embarrassing. Well, you threw the Raiders and Broncos together.

That whole division does look really good. The AFC North. They all do right now, don't they? That's what I fall for. I mean, I feel like 88% of the league feels like a playoff team to me. Smack dab in late April, when everyone's added eight or nine players that everyone's gushing over relentlessly. I don't think so. And the AFC to me, like the AFC East obviously doesn't look that great.

And the AFC South is fine. But those, the AFC West and North, in division, those games look like a lot of fun. I'll throw out another winner. I'll stick in the AFC West since where we have a theme here. People who want to see the ceiling of a Mahomes-Reed offense. Oh, yeah. This is fun. I mean, you take in the first round this Clyde Edwards Hilara kid,

who we talked about Thursday night that, Wes, how did you describe him or see him comp? Is Priest Holmes-E? Was that what it was? Some kind of mention of Darren Sprouls and Priest Holmes. Priest Holmes was the comp on television by multiple people, too. Reed comped him to Brian Westbrook. He said he liked them better than Brian.

And then the Brett Veach, who Greg, you know, speaking of putting respect on people's names, I know you respect them now. It wasn't always that way. Well, I gave him like a silly voice on our, you're the GM rankings. You're right. Because he looked like the only GM that, you know, I could potentially compete with in like an altercation. That's up for grabs. Vech and Andy Reed, they bring in this running back.

So imagine if he clicks and he's a star. And I feel like when you get a running back in the back of the first round, it makes me think of Josh Jacobs. These guys can hit the ground running. In year one, you might even get the best season out of him. So we'll see what happens with that. They focus more on defense, the rest of the draft, which makes a lot of sense as well.

But I just, if I'm a Chiefs fan and I'm already on Cloud 9 after what happened last year, you just think to yourself a fully healthy Patrick Mahomes. Now you have a potential stud in the backfield. You keep Sammy Watkins, so the wide receiver group is coming back intact. As long as the offensive line holds up and they protect Mahomes, we're talking about a potentially historic offense. And you saw that in this draft the way the rest of the AFC West tried to stack up their offenses because they're terrified about what's going to be happening in Arrowhead this year.

And they don't draft players that don't fit their system. I mean, Reed, obviously, I mean, when you hear Brian Rest, Westbrook comparisons, and Reed sees that and more. I mean, what coach do you trust more to plug him in and make him immediately productive? Where to the point where, I mean, by Saturday, every fantasy-related type podcast that was coming out and report and tweet about him, that running back was like he's automatically vaulted into the higher upper echelons of fantasy drafts already, sight unseen. He also, you know, Reed has the advantage of having been there five years. and as a guy who you really trust to have a plan coming out of this

if they don't have a lot of practice. Like that offense has been together. To Mark's point that he thinks it's going to help the teams, you know, not having practice that have been together. I think that's going to be true for some teams. Not most, but the chiefs would be one. I mean, the chiefs of any team, like they could show up tomorrow and play week one, and I think they would be fine.

Mark, how about a winner? I'm going to double package the bottom half of the AFC, North. Now, I think it's been, you know, because I think West, you'd agree with me that we don't really view the Bengals playoff run that got a little bit Ballyhooed by some as really something that's mattered historically, that it's been 55 years since the Browns and Bengals have won a playoff game together. I would say one thing that comes out of this process, the entire off-season process for me, with Cincinnati and Cleveland, is a message to both fan bases that there's been a lot of discordant, mish-mashing, lack of identity,

no idea what these teams have been about for the past couple of years and for Cleveland a lot longer. Now I think it's pretty clear to be confident in the Bengals and the Browns. I am, and I think that the Bengals, obviously, you know, all they could have done, if they did anything other than Take Joe Burrow, it would have been a hot mess. They didn't mess around with that. You go get T. Higgins. And, you know, you look at what they didn't have last year.

They now have AJ Green back. You get linemen like Jonah Williams back. Joe Mixin is Jonah Mixin. They added a bunch of guys on defense and they were aggressive in free agency. And the Bengals to me have provided legitimate, tangible, exciting hope to Cincinnati and Cincinnati's fan base for the first time that I can remember in a legit long time because I'm someone that simply looked at, and I realize that you guys think I was a little harsh on the Andy Dalton experience in general, but just as a ceilinged experience that

Your excitement can only be so high, barring a Joe Flacco-like Super Bowl playoff run. And I would go to Cleveland and say this, that you have Andrew Berry, who is the youngest general manager in the history of the NFL. And I thought that he went right into free agency and helped that team right away by going out and getting Jack Conklin on the right side. And when you got Jedrick Wills, I loved what they did with Grant Delpit at safety. They really round after round in the draft found value. And to me, it was very clear what the Browns are looking for in the draft. It is highly decorated college players who won national awards, who were team captains, who were not flash in the pan one-year type guys,

but showed production year after year. And when you use that system and that grid, they found value. And I'm not trying to overhype them. This is not based on my analysis. It's looking at draft guys. They were tweeting at me saying, you found value. Each one of these rounds, these players have done more than people realized at the college ranks. Will it work out?

I don't know. But I, you know, it's the 88. Over under mark. Nine and a half wins, Cleveland Browns. Well, I'm not sure they're even a better team than the Bengals. That's my concern would be more that I think. I didn't answer the question. I would say they would, nine wins.

So under. I'll go nine wins. Okay. And I think that might be enough to get the seventh seed in a weird AFC, but it's a You don't mind the 7th scene now, do you? No, I don't at all. But I would say this, that the AFC North, which has truly just been owned by the Steelers and Ravens for eon upon eon, is now more intriguing. And it's freaking, it's weird.

And it's like, I have to go back because, again, I just totally ignore the Bengals teams that went to the playoffs and didn't do anything. Back to when Wes and I were in sixth and seventh and eighth grade were the last time that the Browns and Bengals had any sort of a rivalry or provided true challenge to the other teams in their own division. I think it may not all come this year, but we are heading in that direction. I'm sure this will be a sound bite that bites me in the butt a thousand times. But I feel that way because I don't think it's just a mirage. I think there seems to be with both teams a plan, with both teams a plan. The Bengals have a quarterback with charisma, and it's been a long time. I would go back to Boomer Ossiason the last time they had a quarterback with this kind of charisma,

this kind of personality that's infectious. And I was texting with some friends and family from Cincinnati. This is the first time I've had legitimate hope for the Bengals in probably 30 years. Wow. I mean, I have some hope they can turn it around. And I think they got a great value in Higgins, who I was a little mystified why he slipped a little in the draft process. I mean, he's the guy that you would have expected, would have been a top 15 type of guy when you watch him. He's so smooth.

He's so good. He just immediately reminds you of A.J. Green. I mean, there's no one that you would think of in terms of a boundary receiver who's faster than he looks. And these guys tend to always fall a little bit in the draft, not that Green fell, but these kind of long strider, tall guys who don't necessarily show the separation. DeAndre Hopkins is another guy that he got compared to. When you watch, I mean, he just is such a smooth receiver.

And to throw him backing up Green for now and then assuming he takes over. for Green a year from now, and Green probably leaves in free agency. It's fun. And to your Brown's point, Mark, I think the best sign for them is, like, you didn't hear anything about them in the weeks leading up to the draft. They've been a leaky. Since the ownership came in, it's been messy, and this did not seem messy. Also, to your point, Mark, and this does feel like a time of transition after 20 years

of the Patriots atop the league and being the big bully in town that the NFL may be changing and going in different directions. Yes, Harrison. Okay. And how about some of these rivalries coming back? You know, the Bengals and Browns, you know, the Jets and Dolphins, the Giants and Redskins, you name it, some of these teams that have been dormant

for the past half decade, 10 years. Bring it back. Yep. The draft, you need more than the draft for that, though. You need wins. Well, give us this, you know, 30-40 minutes. There's more of the Giants and Redskins that stuck out there. It's like, you know, you got to start winning some games.

I speak while we're on the Redskins. I'm just going to throw out a winner. We're all winners for never having to talk about Trent Williams' trade rumors again on this podcast. And maybe the Redskins are winners in this too, just that they, as we went to bed Friday night after day two of draft, seemed like they were stuck with Trent Williams or they couldn't figure anything out. And they end up dealing him to the 49ers for a third round pick next year and a fifth round. and pick this year, and Joe Staley retires on top of that, as good as it is for us. And it's good for the Redskins to just kind of solve a problem.

It's even better for the 49ers. I mean, Trent Williams is a nasty player. He couldn't fit in better with the team that loves to be bullies. Because when I think Trent Williams, I think he's going to have a decent chance at the Hall of Fame someday, you think of them as just kind of the bully, like the meanest left tackle there is. that if you just picked one that's not the most physically imposing, that's him. And he's got some injury issues, and that's a risk.

And he hasn't played in like two years. Right. But for the 49ers to be able to plug him in when their left tackle, the last 14 years, retires, and they knew he was going to retire, you know, that's pretty seamless and that's pretty great. Jimmy, he's a big winner. It was a very real possibility that Tom Brady could have taken his job again and it didn't happen.

They made the decision to stay with him. Now he gets a potential Hall of Fame left tackle with a huge chip on his shoulder, who replaces a guy Staley, who was excellent, but was getting older and obviously ready to walk away from the game. So when the dust cleared since Super Bowl 54, things worked out pretty well for Jimmy G. Go ahead, Mark. I was to say it was Mike Shanahan that drafted Trent Williams. And, you know, and that, the Shanahan, the Chanahan, too. Kyle was there.

I was there. And the Shanahan, Daniel Snyder ending was far from pretty. But as Peter Schrager noted on Twitter, you know, maybe in this time where we're all being very challenged, we're learning to get along a little better because Daniel Snyder and Kyle Shanahan were the people that put this deal together. So, you know, anything is possible in 2020. Wes, how about this? A loser connected to this. Again, all the football team builders for not having the GM app. Yeah, absolutely.

a Hall of Fame level left tackle with prime years remaining. This thing drags out for almost a year or feels like a decade. And the end of the day, it's a fifth rounder in the current draft and a third rounder next year. I mean, you're telling me, and I understand it was messy and there was all sorts of layers to this. I think he's going to ask for more money, too. I think that's a big part of it is he wants to get a big new contract. Okay. But I guess, I don't know.

Maybe if this was handled better in the Redskins, yeah, if you want to give him a lollipop for just getting this off their plate, that's fine. But, I mean, if that ends up being, so they lose the player who refused to play with him. And then when you couldn't even maximize him in a trade, I know you're kind of cut down at the knees a little bit when the guy is saying I'll never play for you again. But third and a fifth, if I'm a Redskins fan, I'm, I was thinking I'm at least getting a second rounder out of this. Well, the environment was terrible, too, because a bunch of tackle needy teams filled that need, you know, on the 49ers considered it. They thought about trading up. And I do wonder if they wanted Mackay Beckton because to me that that is the type of guy

that they would have wanted and then they stopped trying to trade up at that point. But the problem is Ron Rivera's paying the Bruce Allen tax. It's like Ron Rivera comes in. He's inheriting a situation he had nothing to do with. But he's having to pay the tax of what Bruce Allen left him. West, winner or loser? Oh, I was going to say 49ers also clear $7 million in cap space,

get draft picks for Matt Breda and Marquise Goodwin and find homes for two players who were no longer needed anymore on that roster. Good job by them. I like Breda in Miami. They didn't draft the running back, but, you know, running backs are easy enough to find

and getting him for a fifth round pick is kind of a good example of it. That's kind of a great trade, I think. All right, Wes, you're up. Go either direction. I'm going to say loser, AFC Super Bowl hopefuls not named Ravens or Chiefs. Sorry.

Who are they? behind. I guess everyone. They don't exist. They're left behind. The Chiefs, I mean, good luck stopping that offense. And then the Ravens add one of the fastest slot receiver prospects. They had a couple of linemen, another deep threat receiver. And J.K. Dobbins, who I love hearing from college football fans who watch these guys every week and have followed them for years. My brother Phil at the combine a couple years ago said, J.K. Dobbins, watch out for this guy. like out of all the Ohio State running backs, I love him. Spice Rack loves him, thought he was a great pick for the Ravens.

And then on the flip side, I have Georgia fans from Tybee who thought Swift was incredibly overrated, the guy the Lions drafted in the second round and was not nearly as good as any of the running backs they've had there in Georgia. I love Swift. When I watched him, he kind of looked like the guy to me that popped off as the most talented guy in the draft, like complete, sharp cuts, super explosive. It didn't surprise me that... Lack of explosiveness is what everyone said to me.

I mean, like the sharp sudden movement. It didn't surprise me that Daniel, that DJ had Swift ranked, you know, considerably higher than any running back in this draft. Just because he's the type of guy, you know, that I think the NFL's drafted in the top 15 or 20. And I, like, I'd love the way he moved. Dobbins seemed like a much safer and a great pick. Like, you know, Spicerack compared him to, to Emmett Smith. And he's the type of guy who has a lot of the subtleties. you can see him setting people up.

Like if you get him, block him four yards, he'll get you eight, and he just seemed like a pro. And it's not good news for your boy, Mark Engram, though, who's not going to be the lead rusher, you would think there anymore, Mark. Well, I think that if they run this, a similar type offense to last year, Mark Engram still is a big role. But you're right. There's multiple backs, and you're always going to team building-wise favor the less

expensive younger guy. Mark Sessler, winner, loser. Well, I would go Panthers. I thought I liked their draft a lot. And I think if you come out of this, and, you know, they're one of only five or six teams in the last, you know, 60, 70 years to draft all defense. And first team to draft at least seven players all defense since the 85 rounds. Yeah, I mean, it's, so it's a statement. I think they went in knowing what they needed to do.

And I don't disagree with that assessment. There's a lot of pieces on offense. And they didn't move Curtis Samuel. so they've still got those parts. But you get Derek Brown. You know, I guess some people like Darren Brown more than others, but he fits for them. Yatur Gros Matos, who a lot of people thought would go in the first round,

they got at a value spot. Jeremy Chin at safety, a lot of people also thought could have gone earlier than he did. So for me, I mean, you know, again, these are names. And they got them at good spots. And they got value in each round. But Matt Ruhl, first time coach. And I think Matt Rule also has a distinct advantage in this draft specifically, having anyone coming from the college ranks.

They may be at a bit of a disadvantage of learning the NFL process. But, you know, they talked about the fact that he just had a visual eyes-on library on so many more college players than your average pro coach, who is learning the college guys coming out of the combine. They've got a cram for 40, 50 days. And Matt Rule has been game planning for some of these guys for so long. fell in love with some of them and knew their strengths and weaknesses. So that's one advantage for a first year coach. And I thought the Panthers were organized. I don't know what the future with Marty Herney is at GM.

I don't know if that's a pairing that will live forever. But he didn't get in the way. It seemed like Matt Rule was in control and got what he wanted. And so for the Panthers, you know, in general, I kind of like the experimental nature and the rebuilding project going on in Carolina. I'm keeping my eyes on it. And good draft. So big winner, Phil Snow.

the defensive coordinator. I mean, who's another guy who's coming from college? Not a lot of NFL coaches on that defense. So it is an experiment. Like their defense is a total mystery. But it's pretty talented in the front seven. They have no one in their secondary. I mean, it's maybe the worst secondary in the league.

So if the idea that like the dolphins and the Patriots are like, oh, let's build from the back to the front. They're the opposite at least right now. Well, they said they wanted to build from the front. That also could say, have much of a choice because you can't draft 12 secondary players all in two days. Sometimes I feel like when teams and the Panthers obviously did it to the extreme, it feels like a little showy and over corrective steering sometimes to go completely in one

side of the ball in a draft. I think it's like luck, though, that it happened that way. Like I bet if it didn't fall. Yeah, I'm not, trust me. I'm not like burying the Panthers. Yeah, I'm not burying the Panthers or anything. If that's just how the draft board fell, but it almost makes it seem like, you know, You know, oh, our offense is fine.

It's the defense. As long as rule can coach up this D, everything's going to be okay. Well, we'll see. I think they could have taken an offensive tackle or someone else. If the right person, if things have gone a little differently, but you're right. And they'll probably end up taking five or six of offensive players next year because they realize that they don't have anything on that side of the ball. Well, how about a nice measure draft?

You know, I'll stay out of it. And a quarterback. Your offense does look pretty solid. Six point out on paper. All right. Let's get negative. All right. I'm throwing out a loser.

Yeah. How about Eagles fans? I'm giving you a big fat elf. Colleen is, by the way, one of the more sweet-natured people I know. She's just a good woman. And she was legitimately thorny after she got off. And she did an amazing work on network all the days of the draft. But yeah, go on.

Yeah. And I think that she's dialed into the Eagles fans on Twitter and the Eagles media on Twitter, which for some reason were apoplectic that this was the worst draft ever and that it became this like crazy group think that they've just torn down the state the building because okay in the first round you know it hurts you see CD Lamb go to the Cowboys I guess that hurts it's like oh my gosh we took the number six consensus receiver

instead of the number four consensus receiver and like this guy you know Jalen Rager like fit their needs like who are either sub-draft experts that like that was a crazy pick So they were already on. I think Lamb was like the number one, but. No, no, I'm talking about Rieger was six, and people were upset that they didn't take Jefferson. I mean, I'm sure they would have loved to tray up, but it hurt that they saw the Cowboys go. But then what really made him go crazy was Jalen Hertz.

And I'm not surprised that the fans in the media went crazy that you used the late second for a quarterback. But this always annoys me. Like fan bases always go crazy when a team that has a quarterback takes another quarterback. And I don't, I think if it's the right player. and it's the right spot in the draft and you're in whatever's going on like quarterbacking is so valuable that everyone wants this immediate gratification of like you can imagine he gets plugged in hey most late second guys don't help you that much right away anyways like it it you want a guy that's going to develop and everything and quarterback is so important that it makes sense to

me that you keep drafting quarterbacks like i think the patriots drafting jimmy josec makes sense the saints have invested a lot in backup quarterbacks and of all the fans are you about to go charlie on us the most important person in the organization is your quarterback and the second most important person in your organization is your backup quarterback you know you know who should know that more than anyone the eagles they had a near MVP as a backup quarterback in michael vick they had a Super Bowl MVP as a backup quarterback and nick falls and they have a starting quarterback with durability problems like i just don't get why like they went so nuts about because it feels to the layman to a fan that especially coming off a very frustrating season in Philadelphia where you really felt like the team builders did not do a good

job building around the quarterback and then you hear for three and a half four straight months about how this is the best wide receiver class in eons and you get you get tons of value in the second and third round in this draft and then in the second round you take a quarterback and And I think Lewis Riddick might have said it during the telecast. And Lewis Riddick, I cannot stop staring in his background. He had a generic football bro background where it was a bunch of biographies for Bill Walsh, Bill Parcells, this guy, that guy, all NFL legends. And then like, yeah, just like Mark. And then like right in the middle is an unauthorized JZ biography, autobiography.

And I'm like, how did that get in there? Everything else is football. And then just this one JZ book. I don't know. Just to let you know, I'm a Nyas Ninn down here. I don't think Lewis Riddick has an Nyeas Ninn novels on his. At least in the Jay-Z thing where he like, it was like he wrote the lyrics and it was a little bit of his own book. Oh, is that what it was?

No, no, I'm saying at least have that one, not some monarchy. I think half of Colleen's being, I don't know what book it was. It's just a Jay-Z. I think half of Colleen's being triggered was the fact that the Cowboys should have been one of our winners that we listed to. Well, I got sidetracked by the Riddick conversation. But just that I think someone said on the telecast that your backup quarterback on a 53-man roster, is like a top 30 commodity. So it is important to have that guy,

especially with the Eagles. You're right. But you understand that frustration, too, from the fans who dealt with JJ Arthago Whiteside and all those other Jags all season. But in a way, that helps prove the point. It's like last year, their late second round pick was Arthago Whiteside.

You know, of course you have to be right. You don't give up. My point is like you don't know if this is going to work or not. They have to be right about Jalen Hertz. My point is if Jalen Hertz is good and they obviously love them, And some people really do love Jalen Hurds, then it's going to be nice to have him. And who knows what's going to happen in the next four years? Like, that's a valuable rookie contract to have.

If he's just a backup, that's worth it to me if he's a good backup. That's a great, Greg, that's a very sound argument. And I bet there's a pocket of Eagles fans that would basically agree with what you're saying. But the draft is the event that I think that unleashes insane analysis from analysts and insane behavior from fans because it's so separated. from an actual on-field reality check that you're basically reacting most people. I know when I, you know, even now, we're not studying every one of these guys. Like, it'll be of a fourth round and, you know, the Browns will take some, well, why did they do that?

Well, what do I know? I mean, it's like checking in two years and the guys made two Pro Bowls, and I just wanted some other person who had a flashier name. I mean, fans don't act. Fans are just plugged in and passionate. And Eagles fans, I mean, are the ones who like, you know. All right. I'm blaming the media more then.

I'm blaming the media more because a lot of these Twitter followers I had. They were going just as crazy. I just do think it was a Dallas thing where you've got Jerry Jones on this like $45 billion yacht, which we saw at the Super Bowl down in South Beach, that the Cowboys kind of nailed this thing or at least did what makes you think that was a good draft. We'll see what happens. But it's a flashy, exciting, marketable draft. And the Eagles went southward on that front for a lot of their fans.

You know that saying, if you start listening to your fans, you'll be sitting in the stands with him. I read the origin story for that the other day, and it's really interesting. It comes from Bulls analyst Johnny Reg Kerr from the 1980 draft when the Bulls and Lakers had a coin flip for Magic Johnson. And the Bulls listened to their fans who said, vote tails. And they went tails, and it turned up heads,

and they lost Magic Johnson to the Lakers. I mean, how do you vote tails anyway? You always vote heads. I don't know. Tales never fails. I often vote tails. Apparently it does. I kind of had Carson Wentz as a loser in this, but your logic is sound, Greg.

I think that Aaron Rogers is a loser here. We talked about the Jordan Love angle of it all and the eye of the tiger talk. But then I also, I'm looking at, and again, the fans, just like Eagles fans, clamoring. Give us more wide receiver options. Give us somebody. And this is what their draft was. QB in round one, running back A.J. Dillon out of Boston College in round two. He's not a receiving threat.

Who's just like an old school pounder. Between the tackle pounder. They took a tight end in round three and a draft class that is not good in the tight end department. Maybe this Josiah Deguara becomes something, but we'll see. An inside linebacker, a guard, a center, a tackle, a safety, and a defensive end. Yeah, you want to talk about thumb in your nose at the fans, not what they were. were doing, but it could feel that way because they didn't take a wide receiver in like nine or ten picks.

And then the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that the Packers are moving toward a quote run oriented attack this upcoming season. You know who's under attack? Aaron Rogers. Please get me somebody inside that compound wherever he is. I want to know what this guy is really thinking right now because over the course of the weekend, they give you no new options to throw to. They draft your replacement.

and there's a report leaking that they're not even going to make you, you're not even going to be involved in a past first offense when you're Aaron Rogers. What a lot of three. This is Aaron Rogers' worst draft since he was sitting in that green room for three hours in 2005. Kyle Shanahan beat LaFleur, his old pupil, so bad in the playoffs and so thoroughly that now LaFleur wants his identity to be Kyle Shanahan's identity. That's his old guy. Yeah, DeGuaro, to me, sounds like. sort of a bigger Kyle Juice check, a fullback, tight end kind of hybrid, who, I mean,

when you read about him, who drafts a fullback in the third round, but it looks like he can play every special teams you want, fullback, tight end, downfield threat. So that'll be an interesting one. And then to get that big back, he came from Tennessee, LaFleur. He was the offensive coordinator for Derek Henry. So that'll be interesting. I think to springboard off a year as another loser is Aaron Jones dynasty owners in fantasy football. You got 20 touchdowns out of that guy last year. You're never getting close to that again. Man, AJ Dillon, who is the running back, some people just couldn't see it.

Mike Renner, who I think does a really good job at PFF, he's their main job. I just thought if he didn't think there was any chance Renner could make it happen. Now, obviously the Packers aren't, it's like Brian Gutikentz is good at his job and he totally disagrees. But here's a guy who is 250 pounds and does. doesn't like run over anybody and it's going to take a while to like get him going and you don't see a lot of those guys at that height succeed you're right then it was a bad graph maybe there's not many receivers out there either i tried to look for some free agents like maybe there would be someone unless they went antonio brown it's stuff and set wickersham you know he's exhausted that well in new england greenbay's the place to go now because in one draft think about how difficult potentially the relationship is for Matt LaFleur now, who now probably, if he ever had Aaron Rogers as an ally, and we didn't hear anything of like real distrust between them,

but he's going to think he was involved with this. So Mufloor has to deal with that as well. You know, we'll see what happens. It just, it feels like it was a traumatic draft for the Packers. And I don't know if they're better or not. I don't know. Maybe this is like his Al Pacino in the first Godfather moment where he pulls the gun out in the Italian restaurant.

and suddenly goes from squeaky, squeaky, whiny voice Al Pacino to something closer to the Al Pacino we know today. I don't understand why that happened. For Lafleur? Yeah, Matt LaFleur. He's like, you know, he was like, as he was

described by Dan's dad as, as a boy with a beer. I mean, so, you know, at some point, he's going to say on the flower. You call them a flower. The flower doesn't suggest. You can connect the dots here. We met the guy last May, last March.

Nice guy. A bit of a soft-spoken guy. you wonder if this is if he has the the medal for this because this could be tricky last year looked like gutakun's draft and this year looks like lafleur's draft uh just just the imprints that they seem to have on it to gutacun's credit it's like he's deserved a little benefit of doubt he's he's he's been on a pretty big winning streak since he took out took over that job that's fair and mat lafour for that for that matter they went what 12 and 4 and got to the nfc title 13 and 3 can i give you a go ahead the last laugh can

I give you a quick off-the-field loser. Yeah, let's do that. I mean, these two items were, you know, the draft is long. And it's, you know, you've got a, you've got to make sure you're eating the right food and drinking the right stuff to keep your body going so you're not just fading away. Because day three feels to me like you're walking across the Nevada death planes. I mean, it's a very long, it's a long journey day three. I hate those Nevada death planes.

Let me tell you two things that brought me immense joy. I think it's a Mojave. well that's that's fair i don't know i don't know why they need to name them but how about this overly assuming uh girlfriends who really really uh struggled during this draft and i mean this was right in our wheelhouse dan and and and the rest of us are you referring to the cd lamb i mean everyone's seen at this point steady lamb and you've all had this experience in your life where um and it may be for no uh guilt uh associated reason but you know the girl goes and he had a girl his girlfriend i assume it's his girlfriend sitting next to him and he had multiple

phones and he's on the phone, you know, dealing with people left and right. And he had a second phone on his lap. And the girlfriend just sort of audaciously grabbed it. I don't know what she was thinking she was going to do. And, you know, he just wrestled it immediately looked at her, wrestled the phone out of her hand. And then suddenly, you know, the screen doesn't move. And it's locked on her and you don't see her face, but she suddenly turns to the rest of the room. And you're thinking, and I assume she's a very nice person, but she is probably history on the Lamb family tree scenario. And then the second one, and this might have even, the lamb one got more play, but this one picked up steam. Isaiah Wilson, the offensive tackle drafted by the Titans,

you know, they had a close shot on him and he was hunched in his couch, big dude, and he's crying when the pick came in. And obviously, I mean, it was a real moment for him. And his girlfriend, you know, she just sort of slowly puts her arms around him and wants to just, she puts her head right in frame, tilts her head so that we all see her face, and she's not moving. And we're, it's a deep one, two, three count. And she's not leaving. We can't even see him. We can only see her face.

It's her moment. Right. It's her moment. What's going on here? And then suddenly you see a hand come in screen right and just kind of grab her and you say, you get out of this frame right now. And I mean, presumably they said it was his mom or aggressively pulling her. Aggressively.

And then she's resisting. And this woman is just yanking her out of frame. And she gets up kind of. wobbly and violently and is thrown off the screen and then suddenly a parade of others come in and I thought this is the coolest thing I've seen all weekend and these girlfriends you gotta play this moment well I've never been a girlfriend so I don't know what the mentality there is

but you gotta be more savvy than that dare to dream Mark that's never too late I'm gonna jump off X it's a similar realm just the idea of these cameras being set up in the living rooms and it does it just makes you think because everyone's watching the same thing. And you're watching all the analysis, everybody chiming in with their thoughts. And when Jake Fromm is following down the draft board,

especially when we get into the mid to late rounds and they're looking for what's the big story, oh, who's the quarterback that hasn't been taken yet that people thought was going to go. Jake Fromm from State Farm, he was hearing the same conversation over and over again about how bad his Combine performance was and how he had a noodle arm and he was a guy that there's a reason why he hasn't been taking yet

because he's not an NFL quarterback and eventually he goes to the bills and good for him because don't tell Bill's fans but that's not a bad place to go and guess what it's like that's tough he's sitting on a couch with all the closest people in his life and you're just like staring at a screen and you're already in a bad mood and then you have like Daniel Jeremiah saying that you have a noodle arm and it's like oh this is good for my self-esteem I don't know that's that's a loser What would the equivalent be if you were being critiqued in front of your family on a couch stand or any of us, a host or a podcaster, blogger type person? What is the equivalent of a new alarm?

I don't know, I'm not sure. I don't know, but you had, you guys saw me in an uncomfortable situation yesterday. Yes. You handled really well. You did a nice job. Do we get into that? Well, my beautiful wife had the great idea. It was a great idea to assemble all like my closest friends on both sides of the coast for a,

for a semi-surprise Zoom conversation. And it happened, you know, the second round of the draft that started. It was like 5 o'clock. And I come in to the living room when I get someone to come in. And then I see all of you guys. I see Colleen, Gonzo, Henry, all the, you know, Erica, Jett,

all the people I love on the West Coast. But then all my New York friend. And it was just like kind of like, a mashup that that left me you know deeply um uncomfortable and emily thought it was going to like turn into this thing where it was like being at a party where everyone not everybody would know each other but we would all be connected in some way and then everybody would get along and it would become a great old time you could be hiding in the kitchen in that scenario yeah but i just i could not i could it wasn't going to happen i just couldn't get comfortable so i i ended it after about

10 minutes. And my wife was dumbfounded, but I stand by my decision. But you guys seem to get a kick out of my decision to essentially end my own birthday party. I thought Greg had some incredible commentary during it because he could sort of see. And I think we all know, everyone on the call knows you well enough to know that, number one, Emily put a lot of work into it. And that is awesome. I wrote her back. I said, awesome wife points. You did it. You put a lot of effort into that thing. And so it's nothing to do with Emily. But we all know that Dan's sort of social comfort zone and Moors would not suggest that that would have been where you're, you know, Greg picked up on it and made a couple of comments that I couldn't help it laughing.

Well, I felt, Dan, I think we all would, knowing the three of us, maybe not West, but me and Mark and I would have felt the same as you, Dan, and not in a bad way, but just I would have felt uncomfortable and I wouldn't know what to do and I would feel like everyone was like looking at me and I would have like, so I could, I could feel it. And knowing you, I knew that you wouldn't have set up the party exactly like this. You would have had a certain, you know, way to do this. I would have separated it. Yeah, you would like everyone understood, but it was still funny to see you like multiple times aggressively trying to shut it down.

And it was all you like, it only lasted like eight or nine minutes. Yeah, and Emily was just like, wait, we're ending this. And like, I was like, there's going to be some explaining to do. But I, you know, Simone was sitting right next to me. She's like, she's very much like you in that front. She's just like, I totally get where Dan's coming. There was a moment right after I clicked end meeting where I could tell I was watching the gears turning in Emily's head, like, and she was deciding whether to be mad at me

or not. And luckily, she decided not to be mad because I explained it to her. And I think she understood. And then shortly after I got on and did about an hour plus with all my New York friends. And I think we were planning potentially for all the West Coasters to do something after the show today. And that's just way better to me. Anyway, but it was a great thought.

I appreciate. I want to read you a quote that I did send to the group tech, which is one of the things you said to us, Dan, which is Dan said, I want to talk to you all individually soon, but I'm going to have to let you go. See, there's a very specific reason why I would have been just as uncomfortable as you guys in this situation. Okay. If you put all of those people in the same building, I wouldn't be a very specific reason. I wouldn't be uncomfortable at all but the technology does not exist where side conversations can happen

on Zanes. So everybody's just waiting their turn and half the people don't know each other. Dana did do all the talking too. He had to like finessed and talk to everything for 16, 17 boxes of people and it's like, how are you doing, Sally? Good to see you, Sally. I'm so happy it's over.

All right, let's get back on track. Here, while we're kind of off football and I do have a couple quick football ones. But while you were talking DJ, I think I'm not just kissing up. I think Daniel Jeremiah is a big winner. I know he's taking some heat on this podcast. But you put

him, not only is this the highest rated draft of all time, but it's the only one where like, I've never watched the ESPN draft because I just happen to, you know, I always watch NFL Network. I'm sure there's a lot of people that normally watch ESPN that this time they get exposed to the NFL network one. And it's the mashup

of all the analysts and the experts, and I don't think I'm biased. DJ's better than everyone. So I agree with that. I feel like ESPN is watching that and I feel like everyone's watching that and I can't be the, and I'm sure some people would disagree.

Yeah, but just what DJ needs, more job offers. I think, right, exactly. I think there will be a lot of people including inside of our industry that will look at that and go, DJ was the best one on that screen. Well, I could see DJ suddenly getting vaulted into this

eternal Monday Night's football conversation at some point. I mean, he honestly, he's great at it. He prepared for it. And every time they threw it to him, he nailed it. And he also, the problem is, although we have this so-called feud with him, he's too nice, truly have a problem with it. No, you're on the fence as usual, Sessler. The feud is the podcast. He's a terrible podcaster. We don't need to get that. We don't know about that. We don't know about that. He's got to start one to first know that. But in terms of doing this, it was great. No, he did a very fine job. And I was trying to, explain to Emily, actually. She's like, so how's this different than other years? And I was like, well, actually, NFL Network does their own draft coverage and ESPN does their own draft coverage. She was like, that's pretty weird. And then I thought about it too. I was like,

that is pretty weird that there's competing draft coverages of the same event. But that's always how it's been and it changed this year. ESPN thought the same thing when NFL Network started their coverage. But it ended up being kind of like a big hit for NFL Network. Guess what? NFL Network does have Daniel Jeremiah and they will have him hopefully God willing next April as well. All right you want to do some like kind of quick hitters? Yeah.

All right. Go ahead Wes. A quick hitter winner. Handsome Hank. Since I've known him he's been a fan of the most boring team in the NFL. They haven't always been the worst team but they've lacked direction. They've been boring. They've been uninspiring and this is

so all it's so risky that it could all blow up but they're finally interesting. The Miami Dolphins are finally interesting. Thank you, Dan. And they have so many players. They have so many young players because of the draft picks. I think they have more than twice the amount of players of the Pittsburgh Steelers on the roster. They are loaded with players. They go too deep at Long Snapper. To me, just the dolphins are finally interesting and I like it. I think they have the right coach to kind of coach up a young group like this, especially on deep. defense, Brian Flores. Like, you're going to have to be a teacher when almost your whole

roster is rookies and second year players. And you're right. They look a lot more fun than they did a few days ago. A quick loser. And it's, you know, I think Greg was right. The more you hear about Yanuk Nagu Kwa, that he had been a really model citizen for the Jaguars for a long time. But things have come to a head and he wanted out. And, you know, while Trent Williams got moved out of town, Nagu Kaukwe is still in Jacksonville. They've said, you know, hey, we'd welcome them back with open arms, but it just feels like a pretty messy situation.

And I think that in another world or in a different type of draft and with different needs and different players available, maybe someone would have made a play for them. We thought maybe Seattle would have been one of those guys. It's still possible to some degree, but it doesn't look good. It sounds like there were just no offers at all. GM app. Here's a loser, like mean-spirited slash thoughtless takedowns of coaches

and personnel men. Now that we've seen them smiling and bonding with their, children. Oh, it's hard now. For three straight days. All these, like, cute kids, these, you know, toddlers, grade school, teenagers. And then they come into the room with the wives and they have their sharing these bonding moments.

Belichick's dog. It's kind of. Yeah, even Belichick's dog was in the mix. It made you think Belichick was human. But like, can we really like take down Bob Quinn after seeing him high five his son and then hug his daughter after thinking he nailed a pick? I don't like this. It makes me feel, and I don't want to feel.

Give me six months. Exactly. And then I'll throw out one more. Any potential attempt, not that I think it's happening, but of a Bill O'Brien image makeover, then I'm not this mean, prickly guy that's impossible to work with. He was caught on camera on Friday night, cursing at someone on the phone.

It was supposed to be just like, and yes, GMs across the league are hard at work, and it just happened to hit on Bill O'Brien. when he was looked like yelling and cursing at someone about something, and then he stood up and kind of stalked off screen past his own son and kind of crossed over the camera. Clearly, he was fired up. And then the great John McLean, who's been covering football down there forever, tweeted moments later, Texans had a deal with Detroit for the 90th pick,

but Lions backed out at last instant, and Bill O'Brien was furious. You could tell by his reaction on TV and they selected an outside linebacker instead. So Bill O'Brien, who doesn't have the, you know, the kindest reputation. It seems like that was not great timing for it. Lions denied this aggressively on the record, too, for what it's worth. He who denied it, supplied it. What about you, Greg? It was really funny to see his son, too, not change his expression the whole time watching it.

His son has seen that before. I'll roll through a few quick winner QBs. Jarrett Sted him. I didn't think the Patriots were going to take a quarterback. They didn't. They added some tight ends. We'll see. but they believe in Jared Stidtum.

Whether they're right or wrong, like we've been saying that on this podcast. I think that that's their guy. They were not looking for a... Can I give him a fourth rounder for Andy Dalton be done with the charade? Thank you. I mean, if he's been in their building

and they like him, it's like, why not, why not? But you're right, they could use a backup. That's, I mean, Brian Hoyer. They're one pass and they went out and signed Cody Kessler. I mean, come on. They cut him. Yeah, they cut Cody. I mean, when they finally let Jared Stidtham throw a pass,

he threw one pass and then they're like, oh, we need to sign Cody Kessler. Cody Cessler. We can't do it. Coby Resett back at this point. There's two more quarterbacks. Maybe. Philip Rivers gets, you know,

Jonathan Taylor and Michael Pitman, Jr. in the second round. That offense is looking. I think that's a team that could compete for a Super Bowl West if things broke right. The Ravens and Chiefs did not exist. I would agree with you. Right.

You know, they're playing from behind. And then Jared Goff, I like their second round picks at running back and receiver two, especially Cam Acres, who was stuck in like a terrible situation at Florida State, which was a nightmare. But if you, like,

the moves he made. because he reminded me a little bit of Devin Singletary, just a guy who's going to make you miss in a small corner, and they take Van Jefferson, who DJ compared, you know, directly to Cooper Cup leading up to the draft, and now he's going to be with Cooper Cup. Mark? I would just like to bring someone in who, this whole draft,

he did not get a chance to hang out with his dad. This is Colton. It's his birthday today. Hey, hey, look that beautiful boy. Eight years old. How's your birthday so far today? Good. What did you just bake for everyone?

A cake. Well, you had to bake on your own birthday, Colton? Oh, kids love baking. He loves to bake. He loves to bake. So part of his, one of his gifts he got was a big cooking tray and all this other stuff, right? Uh-huh. Nice.

What did you think of the Brown's draft, Colton? The Brown's draft. What do you think? Thumbs up? Yeah. What about, so let's show him your shirt real fast. Ooh, he's wearing a Super Bowl champion of Eagles. He is a big Eagles fan.

So now a lot of people were upset with the Eagles draft. How do you feel? You're good? Okay. He feels okay about it. See, he's not going to be hysterical about it. And he's eight years old. You've got a lot of, you know, you've got a lot of experience on the world.

So that shows right here. Well, happy birthday, buddy. Happy birthday, Carlton. Another April boy. We'll see, okay. A quick winner, Arizona real estate. the Cliff Kingsbury, which everybody was talking about. It was one of the biggest stories of draft one.

The L.A. Times wrote about it. And there were some people like, oh, yeah, real estate. Yeah, it goes real far in Arizona. I bet he paid $300K for that place. And it's like, what? Well, guess what? Kingsbury dropped $4.45 million on the mansion last year. A few months after joining the Cardinals on that four-year contract.

And here's the specs, spanning over an acre in Paradise Valley, the 7,000 square foot home sits about 20 miles east of the team stadium in Glendale. It boasts four bedrooms and five and a half bathrooms in 7,000 square feet, as well as an entertainer's backyard, complete with a swimming pool, pool house, and fire pit surrounded by patches of turf. Well, thank you, taxpayers of Texas, funding the $10 million college coach at Texas A&M for however long he was there. It's like, way to go.

And speaking of Texas, my final, my final winner, I was very happy with my New York Jets, who had a solid draft and with Joe Douglas as the GM, it does feel like there's a grown-up in the room making decisions. I love the tackle they got in the first round, but then a savvy move, it turned out. He moved back in the second round, and everybody's screaming draft, Denzel Mims had a bailer, Greg's boy, and he moved back, he's like, oh, he's going to miss out. He got Mims anyway after moving back about 10. 10 spots, and then they filled in some needs later in the draft as well.

It seems like a draft that could turn out well. And they're two biggest, most important things they need to do is improve the offensive line, and they added two linemen, including the 11th overall pick. They desperately needed to replace Robbie Anderson, and now MIMS enters the picture, and Mims, Perryman, and Crowder, maybe not the best wide receiver group in the world, but there's potential there. and I feel much better about the Jets offense. We'll see if Adam Gays ruined at all, but we'll find out.

And there's one other big winner, speaking of Texas. It is Bob Bates, DDS, retired. He is my father-in-law, and he joins us. Oh, first time ever on the Around the NFL podcast, and he is sporting his Baylor Bears. Sikkim Bears. Yeah. Bob Bates, welcome to my father-in-law, Bob Bates,

welcome to the Around the NFL podcast. What a moment for you and I for Denzel Mims and the New York Jets to be made to United. Hey, Dan, Chris, and Greg and Mark. Hey, Bob. You guys have been busy the last couple of days. Oh, yeah. Boy, I couldn't be more excited about Denzel Mims going to the Jets. Now Dan has to get me some jets gear so I can wear a big fan down here.

Absolutely. Well, you know, we previously had a potential to bond on Bryce Petty. We won't talk about that. It did not work out. But he was operating in that. old set offense for Baylor. The Matt Rule offense is a little more pro-oriented. Why, Bob, and there are a lot of Jets fans that listen to the show.

Why were you pounding the table? Why did you think Denzel Mims was a guy that could be a star at this level? Well, he's always been underrated. Even when he was an high school, he was a great high school player at Dangerfield, East Texas, and he wasn't highly recruited in Texas. And he went to a Mueller camp, and they got him and make a long story short. He was like a 6-3 guy with 180 pounds, but he was a track store, a basketball store, and just they saw the athleticism, so they grabbed him. And the first year at Bowler, he did a little bit as a freshman.

His sophomore year, he was a thousand-yard receiver. His junior year, he had a broken hand. Nobody really knew about that kind of limited his productivity. And then his senior year, he had a great senior year and great sugar bowl. They had five catches. And then, of course, you guys have all been reported on his. You know how great he was at the Senior Bowl and the Combine? I mean, good grief.

He ran a 4-3-8 or something like that and did all those other things well. And he's just tough. And he's a humble guy. He did all the right things at Bowler, never got in trouble, went to class, community service, you know. He's just a good guy and he's very humble. And I noticed one of the things that kind of I thought was funny last night when he got picked that, well, the first things the commentator said was, well, he'll have to get over

or get over that bowler offense and whatever. They saw that. Matt Ruhl came in and they ran a pro style of offense, so what you have to get over? I don't know, but, you know, he's doing real well. He runs routes, but I think one of the most impressive things to me is not only his attitude and being humble and hungry is that those 50-50 balls, man, he'll get them. He goes after them. with anybody.

Music to my ears. Jets haven't had a guy like that in a while. What a scouting report. I told you. I told you. Bob Bates knows what he's talking about. Well, you know,

I knew about Boehner, but I had a good day to day besides mems. You know, they had some other players, James Lynch, Bravian Roy, and then Clay Johnson's pick.

Because it did break your heart. It did break Bob's heart when Rule left. I did. You know, but, you know, the rule did say when he came in.

He was up front. never hidden the fact that he wanted to be an NFL coach. And, you know, he was up front about it, and we all knew it was a matter of time. But, you know, he did a great service for Bowler. And I think Baylor did a great service for him getting into the Big 12 where he could, you know, have a national spotlight. But, you know, I would ask you nothing but the best. And, you know, Brave Yon Roy from Bailey went to the Carolina Panthers today. So that'll be pretty cool to watch that too.

Are you going to feel any pressure, though, you know, when the falcons? And I'm with you. I'm no expert. These GMs are obviously a lot smarter. I couldn't understand why Denzel Mims wouldn't have gone much earlier than 59 based on. I mean, the athleticism and the ball skills are outrageous. But are you going to feel a little pressure? This is now your guy, you know, in the fall and next year, you know, you're going to be synonymous with Denzel Mims.

Oh, I'm in. I'm not worried about that. He's got to make Sam Darnel look good. All right. Well, that's, that's fine with me, Bob. Maybe they can, maybe they can take down to Patriots. That would be nice. That's not carried away. That's been about two decades overdue, to be honest with Bob.

Well, all right. So this is, thank you again, Bob. This gave me something. It was my birthday weekend. And when the pick came out, you know, we had been clocking Denzel Mims for a while. So now that he's a jet and will likely be a starter for them, all things considered. Approval. It's going to be very cool. And an all-pro and a Hall of Famer, so.

Can I just say one thing, Chris, congratulations on three fronts. One of them beating the Big Sea, one of them getting married to La Cia, and one of them the baby coming along. We're all watching you and appreciate you. Thank you, Bob. That's very heartfelt, very genuine, and thank you. Appreciate it. You're welcome. And appreciate you guys.

We're doing a good job. We love you. Thank you, Bob. Bob Bates is one of the best people I've ever known. I'm so happy to have in my life. So thank you, Bob Bates, for. including your daughter. Thank you.

All right. Bob Bates, DDS, retired from Texas. That was very good. That's the analysis I was looking for. Suddenly, Spice Rack, you know, he's feeling a little disturbance in the force right now. Speaking of which, should we get, should Spice Rack be a winner? Or should, uh, should Old McDonald be a winner? Forget, forget not making the, you know, the list of Bob McGinnett quarterback's.

Old McDonald is drafted and he's a Tennessee titan. There you go. know what? When did he go? Fifth round? Seventh round. But even, you know, even that I think was maybe a mild, a mild surprise. He goes to the Titans.

That's a decent landing spot. You know, maybe Tanna Hills a flash in the pan. And all of a sudden he's playing big snaps. And Spicy, a lot riding on that for Spicy. They've got a vacancy in that two spot after Mariotto went to the Raiders. I got one more quick winner. Yeah. The tiny sliver of the Venn diagram that includes Patriots fans,

special teams lovers and people who like to watch dynasties burn okay that sounds good I mean he got all these needs you have on offense it's like no we'll just take a bunch of linebackers who can play special teams that's that's all we need

well they got a kicker Wes are you not impressed with that pickup yeah I'm sure he's great I don't know about his choice in tattoos but I'm sure he's a great kicker wasn't the Patriots the first pick from the Patriots was like the first D2 guy to go in the second round

in a long time. It was something very secure. Yeah, I think we literally made a joke about this last week that they're going to trade out of the first round and take a guy from like a made-up school. And they took a guy from Lenore Rime or Rine. I don't even know, a D2 school.

Yes, he was the highest one ever, Kyle, Kyle Dugger. And then they took a bunch of Michigan, a tough bunch of. Bill's done statements with a little pooch on his lap. But I'll tell you this kicker pick. And they took them in the same round, took Gus Kowski. Not on my scouting report, right?

15 years ago. It wasn't even listed as like one of the top 10 or 12 years. But this pick upset me more than I think Grunk and Brady being in in Tampa. Because one of the things they have is a kicker legacy. And you're taking a guy with this, I mean, I learned about

the 3% what is it called today. But you're taking a guy that needs to answer questions about his alt-right tattoo in his introductory press conference. He did explain that he didn't know what it meant when he got the tattoo, but I don't know. How do you stumble into that? Then he said, okay, I'm going to cover it now. It's like, well, you've had it on for like five years. So I'm not really enjoying this. Will he counterpoint? Will

he fit in well with a, as West would say, a portion of the Venn diagram of Patriots fans that feel just a tad meat, Hetty? I think he's got to worry about fitting in in that locker room. Are you talking about the gods back contingent, Marks? I mean, that's, you know, I'm not saying that I know them personally, but I've heard stories, so. All right. Good stuff, guys. Do we cover everything?

We don't want to leave anything out, any other kind of storylines from the draft. We'll cover it all in the week ahead. I have a feeling we're going to do another show at some point here. We do have, we are actually now with the draft now in the rear view. We are going to go away from the daily model during the week. Don't be upset, but we're going to still give you three. shows a week. This week, we will, though, move away from a Monday to Friday format. I'm sure we'll be back at it sooner rather than later. It's kind of like we all decided we're going to play it

by ear. But this week, we're going to do either two or three shows. And then after this week, we'll be three a week until I would imagine things start to ramp up, come training camp, hopefully. And we appreciate everyone who, we know we've been putting out a lot. And we appreciate like the people that are listening every day, it's kind of amazing, like that we can put out daily at this time of year and people are still listening. But yes, the news is going to get, it's going to get quiet. It's a quiet time of the year for the NFL in any year,

much less, much less this one. Right. Well, I was going to say it was a year ago that, you know, we'd finished this podcast, and we viewed that as the beginning, the genuine beginning of the off season. And the four of us and others went down to old Rockos there in Culver City.

and Wes was recorded drinking something called a fruity, bubbly explosion. That won't be happening today. And I actually genuinely miss our crew being able to hang out at this time of year from here until training camp. And it's something we look forward to. It's a really different world. And I think what's so different is at this point with the draft out of the way, we move into a wilderness. And I just hope that there's something on the other end of it, football-wise. Yeah.

Yeah, it's this time of year that really made me accept L.A. in California when I moved out here. This May through mid-July section that we get every year has been the highlight of living in L.A. for me. And I wonder what's going to happen this year. Well, you get a baby this year. Well, yeah, that's going to be great. Yeah, you'll be inside a lot. But you can do that any city. This coincides the shuddering of outside interaction. It's going to actually work out for you on a small level.

Fish you're going to be inside regardless of what the laws of the city are. That's true. Although you do have that nice big backyard, you know, throwing an infant just in the middle of a backyard and kind of, I mean, that's not bad. It's not a bad place for an infant. Got a childproof that area, Wes. It's pretty childproof. Yeah.

That's where he's getting out. That little side garage. Just keep Brassy out of there. That's so you get the child. We miss Brassy at the fire pit. Oh, yeah. I miss all our old friends at NFL media. So hopefully this all starts to move inch its way back toward normality.

And to be quite honest, doing three shows a week during this time of year. It was normal for us before. So we're sticking with what we've always done in the past. So thank you to everybody for listening. You are the best. We really appreciate you. And we will be back. I don't know.

When do we come back? Tuesday? Wednesday? One of those days. You'll hear from us our next show. So please be there to listen to it. This is Dan Hansis signing off for Quiet Storm, the Mailman, and the old boss, Ricky Hollywood, Bob Bates, DDS, retired until Tuesday, we're going to say.

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