NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Buy, Sell, or Hold offseason narratives

Episode Date: April 11, 2016

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler break down the latest news from the NFL, including the Jets trading for offensive tackle Ryan Clady and Marvin Lewis inking a 1-year contract extension with the Bengals. Then, the heroes wrap the show debuting a new segment, “Buy, Sell, Hold offseason narratives”, where they predict if certain offseason narratives have any merit.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by Rumpfilled with Heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. This feels offensive in some... Does it? Is this offensive? I don't know. I typed in popular Japanese music in YouTube. No, I'm just kidding.

Sounds annoying is what it sounds like. I like this. I think it's catchy. Yeah. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan. Who is this? Who is the recording artist?

I should give them credit. That feels fair And I will tell you who it is in one moment Well, I know a decent I don't really know it But Emick will listen to some J-pop And some K-pop It's a

First of all I was offended That your first move Is to jump to that being offensive This is Carrie Pommu Pomu The song is called Pan Pan Pan Pond I'm sure she's the Kanye West of Japan

Welcome back buddy Thank you It's great great to be back I feel like very good there Wes I feel honored I'm excited you guys were cranking them out while I was gone though you know we the ship was still floating on we did two shows last week without you I missed last week show last Thursday show with my lingering death rattle and uh Wes I checked out the show Wes and Mark with Colleen hosting really good work B minus what wow wow it's a good

If you were there, you would have not given it anything below a B plus. Well, you graded it in A, before. A minus pre-grade. A-minus before the show itself. You know, Dan definitely checks the numbers of, like, who's listening to the show and roots against the ones he's not in. No, the metrics don't measure out that way. If they could, I would.

But, no, it was an enjoyable show. Greg, it would have been a dream for you. Tight 39. Yeah, I like them tight sometimes. I mean, when we don't have a ton to talk about or whatever, nothing wrong with leaving. I think we actually covered in new. It was a pretty chocked news day.

There was a lot of news items we just rolled. That might have been the shortest podcast we've had in two and a half years. There's an interesting theory on the old Reddit page that Colleen, because of her, she's in TV, so she tends to move things along quicker. Interesting. It doesn't, you know, maybe doesn't allow them to breathe to the full extent like that. Well, it's certainly more professional when Colleen's the host. So maybe that's what it is.

It's just a more professional. type show, but thank you to Colleen for jumping in twice last week, including the pinch hitting role on Thursday. So shout out to Connie Fox. Today's show, the first show with the full group in some time. You should ask me. I could have given you some good... What was wrong with that song?

Listen that. Mark, is this something you would listen to in your free time? would I absolutely why not it it appeals to me and if you let it get to the chorus it just like it takes off right it explodes into you know new territories Greg is being a little close-minded to it I think yeah I've heard enough J-pop okay that's fair okay today's show is a good one I like it I look forward to being a part of it um the Tuesday or Monday edition of the around the NFL podcast we will talk about you know now we are in, you know, full-on narrative mode of the off-season. And it's important to, you know, cut through all the BS where we can.

We can't foresee everything. But where we think we're a little head of the curve, that's where we're going to come in today. In a segment we like to call buy comma, sell, comma, hold off-season narratives. So throw out some things that have been percolating throughout the NFL. whether or not we should be believing what we're reading and hearing. Okay. That sounds fun, right?

I think so. When I buy sell hold? And we'll do a bunch of news, of course. Hashtag iTunes Challenge still going on. If you have any, and I've seen on Twitter, some buzz, some people have, there's challenges getting to the iTunes client,

but do your best. Give us a five-star rating. Leave a comment. We'll have a show coming up in the near future where we again read user comments both positive and negative of the show so make sure you do that

check out the subreddit NFL on Reddit.com the around the NFL podcast subreddit up over 1,500 people now Greg boom Wes you didn't see that coming did you I'm a little disappointed we don't have 15,000 well listen you got to start

somewhere Wes is the only active member of the podcast that is ducking his head in there shouting down to people that disagree with them. Not for much longer. I believe that Colleen jumped in there once, didn't she? Connor said, I think he was checking it out, right? Yeah, I'm more of a lurker.

But it's a fun page, and it's a good way to interact with the show, and we might even use ideas or, you know, just lift them outright. Maybe one day you'll be listening to the show. You'll be like, whoa, they stole my idea without proper credit. That could be something that happens down the line as well. All these things are in play. Before we get to the news, let's say hello to the man behind the glass of Irish Heritage, Brandon McGinnis, we call him the Irishman.

What's up, buddy? I'm good. How are you? Good. I have a little thing we have to get to first. If you listen to last Thursday, Mark and Wes pick someone that they don't want to talk about anymore. That's the atomic bomb. Mark, Mark Sanchez.

Yeah, he's out. I will never report on him again until the beginning of the season. Right now, the starting quarterback of the defending Super Bowl. champion gutsy move i like it until he's the starting quarterback well so you can't you won't talk about him on the podcast but what if uh a mark sanchez torn ACL happens at a moment where you're the only available person to write about it on the website ESPN.com wow all right what it was not sure if i i approve of this this decision's been made Greg you weren't even in the country the boss is back and he's not happy with some things that happened

I need, we all have these people. Wes has had people that he says he's never writing about, and Greg, you completely acquiesce to that. So I pick someone, and it's called Mark Sanchez. Okay. So I need you to. I have in my hand, actually. I didn't know this was coming, but over the weekend, almost impossibly,

we wrote another post about Trent Richardson titled, Trent Richardson expects to sign with Ravens. Are you kidding me with these posts? No more. Is that your guy? No more. And this has nothing to do. do with my wager with Mark Sessler about whether he'll get a carry again.

Can we at least wait until he actually signs with the Ravens? Enough of this. He expects the sign. He's a nobody. He's a guy who's a draft bust. Never again will I write about Trent Richardson. Wow. There we go.

It's fair because it's absurd. And no offense to Kevin Patrick who wrote the post. It's hard to write five or six quality posts on a weekend in April. No more Trent Richardson. I don't even know who. We predicted that Greg would not You love all avenues football You don't harbor these grudges

This falls under the Greg's general credo with life Who cares? No, it's not that No one pops to mind that's been really annoying me I think it would be interesting If we took a month off Of talking about the Browns and the Jets On this podcast

I would be fine with that That's fine I'd be absolutely fine with it It's a 10 win outfit You know a lot of storylines Maybe a week Maybe a week 10 win outfit. Wait till I'm on vacation.

Combined a 10-wit outfit. All right. Let's get to some news. Nice murthy opening, guys, but we got to start the news with, you know, just a terrible story out of New Orleans. And the word that you're seeing attached to this story a lot is senseless. And I think that definitely is the right word. Because Will Smith, a nine-year veteran of the Saints, former first-round pick, a Super Bowl champion with the team

and by everything we hear a good dude who did the right things during his career and was looking to even get into law enforcement potentially after his career he goes out with his wife and has a dinner and then he gets shot to death in what was initially being called a road rage incident we don't know the exact stories behind it

but this is in New Orleans after a dinner out his car got rear-ended he got out had some type of Walter with the driver and then was shot to death. His wife also shot and taken to the hospital. Three children left behind Will Smith, dead at the age of 34. What the hell, man?

This is a terrible story. Yeah, and I think we're going to see details come out in the coming days and weeks. I believe, you know, the accused Mr. Hayes is in court today, Monday, as we tape this. And so that's going to move along. and so we'll learn a little bit more, but like you said, senseless. I mean, the details are kind of horrifying. He was shot nine times, Will Smith. And, you know, it's hard to say much about this incident

other than talking about what we know about Will Smith as a player or a person. And one thing that sticks out to me about Will Smith, I remember I was in New Orleans the summer after they won the Super Bowl before the kickoff game against the Packers. and there's gigantic banners hanging from the Superdome. Maybe it was in the off season. They're trying to sell season tickets. Like 50-foot-long banners of the Superdome.

And there's two banners. And one is Drew Brees, and the other one is Will Smith. And so he's one of those guys. If you're a Saints fan, we talk about these guys, like Heath Miller with the Steelers, that if you're one of those teams fans, he's your guy. He was going to be in the Saints Ring of Honor. He was informed of that.

a month ago. They were planning to do that coming up this season. So that's the type of player he was, a five-time captain. One of those guys that really made himself, as you see, part of the city, he still lived there and was really beloved by all of his teammates and in the city in general. And that's part of what makes it so sad. And we look at players when they come to the end of their career. Oh, they're old. They're 33 or they're 34. But in terms of Will Smith's life, It was just beginning. And it was emphasized that he had plans of what to do with the rest of his life. It wasn't directionless.

And, I mean, we're talking about someone that could have been on the earth for another 70 years. It's ridiculous. And has three kids and a wife, a wife who's now have to recover from the shooting and deal with losing her husband and the father to two or three kids. Terrible. Terrible news. So we'll keep an eye on how that plays out with the trial. But moving on to football news, the New York Jets were learned this weekend that to Brickshaw, Ferguson, their left tackle of the past 10 years has decided to retire.

This comes a couple days after the team approached, or I would say maybe a couple weeks after the team approached Ferguson about taking a pay cut. They have major cap issues. They're hoping Ferguson could help them out coming off a season where he wasn't quite. playing at the elite level earlier in his career. And instead, Ferguson decided to walk away. He said that he doesn't want to play at a level that isn't up to his own standards. And I think the big stat, and Ferguson was always a great jet from the moment he came in as a first round pick. But to play left tackle in the NFL and he never showed up on an injury report, never missed a snap due to injury.

The only time he missed one snap's entire career out of over 10. 10,000 is when Eric Mangini in the mid-2000s called a trick play where actually Dorel Revis was the left tackle on the play. So this was a guy that literally never missed the game and never got hurt. And he decided he didn't want to be the guy that's holding on. So he steps away from football after 10 years. Brick, you're going into the Ring of Honor. Yeah, it reminded me a little bit of Calvin Johnson where, you know, there were whispers in season.

The Lions would ask Calvin Johnson to take a pay cut. and then to brick of Shaw, Fergus, and they do ask him to take a pay cut. I think it's one of those things where you just, you're slipping a little bit, and maybe it doesn't set in until someone asks you to take a pay cut. And, you know, maybe the pride sits in a little bit too. And so if I'm not playing at a high level, I'll just get out of the game. He also wrote an article, a pretty interesting article about the idea of playing for a long time and his longevity. And we just talked, it was a couple shows ago.

Maybe it was when Greg was out of the office. I'm not sure that we asked openly if there'd be more and more of these players that don't stretch another three, four years out of their career. And it's another indication that I think we will. This is not, I don't think it's a two-year, three-year trend. I think it's a long-term trend that more of these players, whether it's money-based or more health-based, I think, are going to walk away. The decisions are easier when a player is made over 70 million.

Exactly. That helps. Exactly. Because the money 20 years ago, obviously, wasn't close. to the same Ferguson also came into the league as a high draft pick and got paid top left tackle money, so that makes it easier. One thing I found interesting, you know, catching up and reading the articles about this, there seemed to be some disagreement about how prepared the Jets really were for this decision,

that they had done some work maybe that indicated that it didn't totally stun them. But then again, they were offering him a pay cut. They would have liked to keep him. I think they would have preferred, obviously, that he kept playing. and some accounts said it kind of blindsided them that he just quit and the others thought, you know, they saw it coming. Well, yeah, I don't know. Because it's a big loss.

It's a big loss for the team. But at the same time, it doesn't seem like a crazy thing that he's not with the team anymore. Todd Bowles at the Combine had a really eye-opening comment where he came out and say, and Bowles is not a guy that says a lot. You know, he really have to draw it out of him, said that, you know, he did some good things, did some not-so-good things. He never said that he was his roster. their spot was safe. So I think they were, they had one eye on the future, even going into

the 2016 season. Didn't have a great year last year by all accounts. By, yeah, by many accounts, it was a down year for Ferguson. So then this is what happens. You know, the Jets need, suddenly they need a new blindside protector. So they do. They call up to Denver Broncos and they trade for Ryan Clayty, the former or, you know, one-time star left tackle for Denver, who's dealt with numerous injury issues in recent years. the Jets send a fifth round pick to Denver in exchange for Clayty they get a seventh round pick back

along with the linemen the Jets then restructured the deal with Clayty who had a big contract with Denver. He's now on a one-year deal, 6 million base value 3 million of a guaranteed according to Rapsheet. It's a one-year option for 10 million

that's a player option, escalate to 13 million. So from my standpoint as a Jets fan, I think this is a best case scenario for a bad situation that they were able to within 24 hours turn around and get a guy that's 29 years old, he's about to turn 30s, had some injury

issues, but considering the dire straits, if you look at the rest of the offensive line market, this could be a guy that it could work out. It was the same deal, by the way, the Jets got for Brendan Marshall last year in terms of compensation. Well, they gave up nothing for him, essentially. I mean, the Broncos

had no interest in keeping Ryan Clayty and gave him away. I mean, A fifth to a seventh round pick is nothing. That's just like, hey, we held on to this guy so long to see if we get anything for him. We'll take it. We have no interest in keeping Ryan Clayty at a relatively low salary. I mean, he took $6 million, so you would assume he would have taken that from the Broncos.

They could absolutely use a left tackle. I know they have some young players at the position in Denver. So that is telling to me. They signed Russell O'Coon. Right, beforehand. But they made this decision beforehand that they could absolutely use. a left tackle, and they made the decision they didn't want Clayty. So I think that's telling, a guy that was so good, and the team that knows him best and knows his injury history best,

really didn't want to keep him. Well, I mean, I think his price tag was outrageous in Denver without him taking a major cut. It worked for both teams. We wrote a post right after Ferguson announced that he was not going to play anymore. What do the Jets do now? And really, honestly, there was only one pathway that made the most amount of sense, and it was if you're going to get a veteran go out and get Clayty. It was the path of least resistance. And if you're a Jets fan and you suffered through the glacier, what I like about Mike McCagnan is that this is two off-season now this has been, he's been throwing, he has some challenging stuff thrown at him this off-season, and he's still in the middle of it with Ryan Fitzpatrick. But on Friday, they lose Ferguson. On

Saturday, they fill the need so that it's not their number one burning draft hole, that they can go somewhere else with the draft. I think McCagnan, in two off-season has done an excellent job. I mean, could it blow up? Could Clayty tear his biceps in August? Sure, any player could, though. But, yeah, now this is a team that doesn't... Well, he's an enormous injury risk. Yes, absolutely.

I mean, that's why it's not a slam dunk move where, you know, you're high-fiving. There's just no... Where else you're going to go from the attack? It's probably the hardest position to find outside of quarter. I think it's a low to medium risk, high-reward move. It's worth a shot. And that's what I brought up Marshall is the same trade parameters, and he was the same way, whereas not an injury issue, but a guy that had a lot of upside and some downside.

they're hoping to hit hit on Clayty and they don't have a ton of draft pick so they made that move and now can stay focused on what their initial needs were I would think I mean the thing the thing with Clayty I think that shouldn't be forgotten is he's not just coming back from a torn ACL he's coming back from a Liz Frank break in his foot the year before and then a torn ACL so he hasn't been on the field and the last time he was on the field he was a good player but he already had had shown the signs of decline from previous injuries, I believe, from another torn ACL. So it's a guy who's had a lot

happened to him, but the upside is still tremendous. You never know what you get. Let's move on, gentlemen. Marvin Lewis has been the head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals since 2003. Marron. Mark, how old were you in 2003? 24, 25?

Turn 30. Yeah. I mean, it's a while ago. And so now, well, not an age shot. Just... It's accurate. I have no problem with my age. Someone yesterday, I got carded at a bar. They were like, what the hell? You're not 21.

I wish you were a liar. You know what? That'll be fine from you. Listen, maybe it was the bartender's site issue. Marvin Lewis has been the head coach of the Bengals since 2003. And on Friday, NFL media, as Mike Silver reported that the Bengals coach, whose contract was set to expire at the end of next season has agreed to a deal through 2017, 2003 and 2017 at the very least, guys.

This is the same Marvin Lewis. who has never won a playoff game. So think about that. I mean, think about if he lives out this contract and then decides I don't want to do this anymore. And coaches from 2003 to 2017, there's a chance he never wins a playoff game and never gets fired.

It could happen. That's all in play, guys. But he's also the same coaches taking the Bengals to the playoffs five years in a row. And Wes, I think you mentioned it on Twitter the other day when I interviewed Solomon Wilcox about the Bengals last summer. He said everybody should love Marvin Lewis in Cincinnati because he raised the Titanic.

made them a worthwhile franchise, maybe not successful in January, but that's why they keep bringing back Marvin Lewis. Yeah, the Bengals don't run their operation like other teams. They're a mom-and-pop franchise. They always have been, and they're very loyal to their coaches. And I think Marvin Lewis, people with short memories, don't understand that every, if you combine all the other coaches under the ownership of Mike Brown, they've won 27% of their games.

Marvin Lewis has won 53%. And it's not even just the Wills. I remember the years where they started out 0-8 or 0-9, seemingly every year. And in the NFL, 50% of games are decided by a touchdown or a touchdown or a field goal. And the Bengals, they'd be losing by three or four touchdowns every week before he came around. So to me, he's always going to have a long leash. And I thought the most interesting part was Mike Silver's report that Hugh Jackson and Marvin Lewis had hatched out a plan, a succession plan for two years that would have kept Hugh Jackson in Cincinnati.

but Mike Brown would not put it in writing. That doesn't surprise me that he wouldn't, but you would have thought that would have been inviting to Mike Brown to keep Hugh Jackson in the building, if nothing else for the next two years. For this window where they have a great roster, and that's why they shouldn't get rid of Marvin Lewis, and that's why it doesn't surprise me that they're trying to keep them.

They're 52 and 27 in the last five years. So they're not just winning games. They're getting better each year. They're winning 11. Now they're winning 12 games. the roster is loaded. So you better be sure who you're replacing Marvin Lewis with before you get rid of it. By the way, all their good assistants have left them.

Well, and he has a lot to do with that. I mean, he hasn't won a playoff game, but he has a legitimate coaching tree. You've got Hugh Jackson at this point, Mike Zimmer, Jay Gruden. I mean, I have no problem with keeping Marvin Lewis around. I've made fun of him before and the Bengals, this and that. But I'll say this about the Bengals. Like if they, from growing up when we watched the Bengals back during that horrible stretch from the post-Super Bowl, post-Boomer Asiason teams, all the way till about half a decade.

Till Marvin Lewis. He had his ups and downs, too. But up until about 2003, it was a disaster. And they were a joke. And they're not a joke today. They are not. There are other teams filling that role. Well, and he has more power than anyone not named Brown in the history of that franchise.

and there was a wild press conference in 2011 after they almost fired Marvin Lewis after a four and 12 season and he was expected to go take another job, it didn't happen, and they had a press conference where Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis are sitting there and they're both pissed off.

They're pissed off at each other. They're sniping at each other. There were reports that Marvin Lewis really pushed Mike Brown to get more power in the organization, to get more concessions in terms of scouting and different things that were going to happen. And oh, by the way, since 2011,

that's when they're 52 and 27. That's when they've drafted really well. So you've got to give Lewis some credit for that. Mark, by the way, were you referring to this? Well, Marvin Lewis is an idiot. I was. And I was also referring to two annual meetings ago when I almost kind of got into a fight with Marvin Lewis

about Andy Dalton because I was pushing for Dalton to not be even on the team anymore at that point. But honestly, like he... This has grown over time, almost gotten into a fight. Was Marvin Lewis aware of this? Well, he was very... annoyed with me because I kept going back in the same question. I felt antagonism, but at this point, I think that Marvin Lewis, and you talked about it

on Friday, too, or when this happened, was the whole internal scouting, that it was this, it was a nightmare, and he's shown that he can run a very successful scouting outfit over the last five years, if not more. He and his coaching staff are more involved with the personnel decisions in Cincinnati than just about any coach in the NFL. By the way, you know it's a big, A big polarizing story if it wakes Greg from his Twitter slumber

post Japan. Yeah. Were you in Japan when you wrote that? No, I just got back home and most of my family was sleeping, you know, after the flight. And, you know, I just wanted to dive back in with the hottest topic in the league. Were you recognized in Japan?

Or was Anthony Jeslnick, your friend? Well, yeah, Jasselnik, co-host of the Rosenthal and Juselnik Vanity Project, RGVP. Oof, that wasn't smooth. No, not at all. Yeah, he came with me. He was recognized a couple times.

He was recognized a couple times by Americans or Canadians that were in Japan, but a couple times. We went to this thing called the... I hope that felt good for him. I mean, I don't think he seeks it out. I'm just saying, it's good to be recognized. He seems to want to cut it down or whatever. Would he turn around and then introduce you as my friend, an NFL reporter? He's trying to end the interaction as fast as possible.

But we were at this thing called the robot restaurant, if you're ever in Japan, where you would like this one, Dan. I like robots. Where robots, it's almost like a play where robots and sea creatures and animals are fighting against each other, all while driven by human women. I mean, it's very strange. It sounds remarkably stupid, but also intriguing. Yeah, it was a lot of fun.

People getting very drunk there. Excellent. Moving on, Lashon McCoy's alleged connection to an off-season bar fight is unlikely to cost them any time on the field in 2016. Rapsheet reported Monday, citing two sources with knowledge of the situation that the star running back is not expected to face NFL discipline in the brawl that occurred in Philadelphia and involved two off-duty police officers who got jacked up in the fight.

The league's investigation of the incident is ongoing, but the belief is that McCoy will avoid a suspension. This is perhaps a surprise to the bills. Rep. Rep. Reported that Buffalo had planned all offseason for some sort of McCoy band. So it looks like our friend Shady is going to skate completely on a bar brawl in which cops got their ribs busted in. And, you know, the orbital socket blasted and all sorts of madness. Shady Skatey Skates. Teflon Shady. Tired of Shady McCoy.

Philadelphia, Pure City, obviously. That could be your pick, Shady McCoy. For what, not the guys not to talk about. Oh, they'd not have to come off Victor Cruz. Well, I mean, Colleen... It's a tough trade. Colleen ripped into this story last week, and she pulled out, you know,

an array of corruption inside the Philadelphia police department and other governmental agencies. I think in her defense, I think she was reading a press release by the PBA of the Policeman Benevolent Association. Yeah, the policemen were annoyed that one of the higher... Was it was a DA guy or someone like that? that has, you know, sort of a catalog of photos of him with athletes. And he was overseeing this and suddenly two beaten up, you know, cops or they're out on

their own because Shady McCoy, God forbid we, you know, do anything with him. Well, it's good to see nice guys finish first for once. Well, that's fair. Speaking of nice guys, this is a killer transition, by the way. Former Browns quarterback Johnny Mansell is spotted outside the Nice Guy Club in Hollywood this weekend, where he seemed to suggest he was living with Bronco star Von Miller. Here's a direct quote from Manzell who's been partying literally every night the past week in Hollywood.

According to Johnny Manzell. He said, I'm living out here with my guy, Von Miller, Manzell said, everybody knows Von Miller, Super Bowl MVP, Super Bowl MVP, Von Miller, my brother. What are you talking about? I'm living with him right now. We're getting our life together. Okay. First of all, Von Miller doesn't have to get his life together.

Von Miller is a rich, successful professional football player that just single-handedly won a Super Bowl. You got to get your life together, buddy. And the other funny thing about this is this was now refuted that they're living in the same city, apparently. Von Miller's in L.A., but Manzell and Miller are not living together. However, Mark, he does have a roommate reports percolating before we went upstairs that it's Josh Gordon who's living with Johnny Manzo,

who's drinking every night. This seems like a bad idea. Yes, it does. And I feel for Greg, who minutes ago with urgency asked that we maybe skip the Jets and Browns talk, and it's all we've done. But, you know, the Gordon reinstatement and all that has been held up, and people didn't know why. And I'd have to ask that if the NFL had a hint of this going back a few weeks,

that this is where he is, that for all the defense that I've made of Josh Gordon for getting, you know, banged for drinking a beer in an airplane, if this is your decision-making and this is who you're hanging out with, you don't clearly understand how an appeal reinstatement process would work. You could not pick a worse thing to do than go, A, go live off sunset Boulevard and B, live with Johnny Manzell. Are you kidding me? Who's making worse decisions, by the way?

Manzell, who's now speaking to TMZ and drinking, telling them that he's been out drinking and it's like, it's okay to party, you just can't go out of control, and not understanding how bad that looks, or Gordon, who's living with a guy that's openly a party animal. That's up for, did everyone watch, this video? Yeah.

Because A. Mansell is, from what I could tell, this is just me guessing. He did not at all look to be 100% sober at all doing that video. It looks like a dirtbag, too. I just think that Manzell is completely, there was no real logic. It looks like 160 pounds soaking wet, too. It's like this guy does not look like a professional athlete training to save his career. How many bros did he drop in this interview? Right.

This is incredible. Manzell, who said he's been out in West Hollywood five, six nights in a row, said he doesn't think NFL teams have a problem with his partying. I don't think there's anything wrong with partying, bro. There's a difference between partying and being out of control. This guy's logic. That's fine if you're David Ely, but this is Manzell. Well, in Manzell's defense, he did make a really impassioned

and convincing pitch to the Broncos during this interview that I think could win them over, just talking about them. So the Broncos, John Elway, great dude. Kubiak, Aggie, my man. Aggie, my man. Listen, great organization. Anywhere I get picked up, bro, is a. blessing somewhere bro whatever happens i love ball i want to play and that's the team i want to go to

i mean they're they got to be listening to that oh they immediately i know is getting on the phone first thing monday morning they had a big conference room meeting like all right this guy's hungry i mean he wants to be here he wants to be in the building i think this is the guy we bring in to defend our title uh that guy's lost maybe we should have a manzel moratorium on the pod for a while i think that would be an absolutely great idea and we should not have multiple brown stories in the news that that's good okay and that's what's happening in the news. All right, guys.

Let's talk about it. There's narratives all over the place in the NFL. Everywhere you look, there's a narrative. You look up in the sky. You look under a rug. You look in the closet. Boom, pops out at you. Narrative, bruh, as Johnny Manzo might say.

So let's talk about some narratives and we'll basically call BS on some narratives or maybe perhaps we'll agree with some narratives. But, you know, I wouldn't call it a pre-production meeting by any, any, the stretch. But a lot of these narratives, I got the idea, will be a lot of poo-pooing on various narratives, which is more fun, so I like it, you know? A lot of selling.

We're going to buy seller hold it. You know what else I like? I like Mark's new wardrobe. Oh, yeah. He has the entire Tiger Woods collection polo. This is from your annual media. Yeah, I have what I'm wearing. It's a pink Tiger Woods shirt.

It's a free shirt. And my wardrobe desperately needed an injection of life. And so, you know, I didn't even know it was a Tiger Word shirt until it was pointed out to me. Here, I'm going to throw out the first one ever in this game. I am selling the narrative of Mark stumbling around in the dark at 5.30 in the morning that we hear each time. I think you like this shirt. I think you pick your shirts.

You know, this whole in the dark dressing thing, you've used it too much. I don't think the listener knows what you're talking about. Basically, I have a shift, you know, on Mondays because Kevin Patra is out at the bars by 10 a.m. Chicago time where I'm coming in at 6.30. That's going on the whiteboard. Yeah. Well, no. He deserves to stay off.

So it's like, I'm in my bedroom. You're right. I'm in my bedroom. You're right. He doesn't work hard enough. I get what you're saying. This isn't really about Patrick. It's, I'm in my bedroom and I'm looking for clothing in the middle of the darkness because I don't want to wake the whole family.

And this shirt, if you could see it on screen, is like an outrageous, like, peach pink color. And in the middle of the night, if you open my clothing drawer, it glows. And so I was like, I know what that shirt is. It's acceptable for a Monday. I'm going to do that. That's what it is. Dan's taking a picture. I'll put it on Twitter afterwards.

Mark also wearing a brand new pair of Levi's. His buns look great. Formal jeans. Yeah, they're a nice dark, black. And Mark usually rides a couple pairs that he sticks with for years. These are brand new, and I look forward to them being in the rotation for a long time to come. Thank you. I mean, it's, you know, the first time I went shopping in about three years.

Yeah. I'm buying Mark in that shirt, by the way. I think he looks fantastic. enough said pick up the chisels already yeah pick up them chisels you look like a guy who could be you know some south florida strip clubs just like tiger woods welcome back great that's the encouragement i'm seeking from my boss is this what you missed gray uh mark well gregg was out that was a tiger wood shot for any of you to take that as a sessler shot is insane he was in boka rotein recently that's true all right let's get into it guys so uh we're gonna throw out some narratives

and then, well, you know, I'll throw it to you guys. I'll be, you know, kind of moderating it, but I'll get involved to because, you know, that's what we do. I'm not what you would call, you know, the typical host. Put it that way. I'd like to be in the mix. I'm not just here to set you guys up and go on your glory boy parades, okay? We weren't questioning it, but you've made that abundantly clear.

Thank you. You're like a shoot-first point guard. Yeah, that sounds right. I'll sign up. All right, here we go. We'll start with Hugh Jackson. No, I was talking about the Browns again. How did this happen?

Sorry, Greg. Hugh Jackson, quote, felt the earth move beneath his feet during RG3's workout prior to signing the quarterback. Chris Wessling, that is the narrative that Hugh Jackson is in love with RG3's talent and the opportunity at a major comeback effort in 2016 and beyond. Buying, selling, or holding. I don't even know what holding is. Go ahead. I don't either.

I think I'm going to sell this. There's some part I believe that. I believe that RG3 looks good in a workout. I really believe that. He's got the tools. I think he looks great. I think the Browns are going to draft a quarterback at number two overall. And I think RG3, I'm not rolling out like a comeback season.

I'm rolling out his ability to stay healthy because he can't slide and doesn't know when to throw the ball away. So you don't believe the Earth actually moved beneath the Jackson? I don't believe that it literally. There could have been some tectonic plate action. I don't believe it. I don't think Cleveland has much tectonic plate action. Hughes is a salesman. Yeah.

Every player he talks about, he talks in glowing terms, I've noticed. Right. John Gurdon was like this, too. Johnny Sunshine. Reminds me a little bit of John Gurdon. And I believe this was an off-the-record thing. But just the things coming from the coaching staff and Hugh, he's going to sell it. I guess why not?

It's also lying season. So the Browns, they might be in love with the quarterback. But if they're putting it out there, oh, my God, RG3 is 2012, RG3. Maybe, just maybe, someone buys it. Although you've got to be careful with that because I think players or people around the team, it did not help John Gruden that he would always be talking up his players right before he'd cut them or bench them. Eventually they turned on.

And I don't think that helped RG3 either, who lower the expectations as far as they can go down and then hopefully he exceeds. You don't have to build him up again like that. Here we go. The Rams, the Los Angeles Rams are comfortable with Case Keenham at quarterback. We keep on hearing that the Rams, they like Case, They think he's the answer over Nick Foles, and we don't need anybody else. So don't look our way come the draft in Chicago.

Mark, buying selling or holding? I don't agree with their stance, but I am buying it. Wow. Not that I think long-term, they think Case Keenum is the answer, but I think that going into this season, they've made literally zero push in free agency to even look at any available quarterbacks. There's been very little talk about them going quarterback in the draft.

There have been some whispers about them being a candidate. to move up to get one of the quarterbacks. But until that happens, I don't agree. But I think that they feel that they're in this type of team where with their defense and their running game, that if their quarterback stays healthy for 16 games, that's what they've missed all along. Again, a failed theory, and they're going to pay for it.

You said you're buying? I'm buying that they think that. Interesting. I'm selling this one, too. I think you're going to see Paxton Lynch or Connor Cook in Los Angeles. Or who knows, they could trade up. They're at 15. It's not bad.

If they actually are buying on Case Keenham, they're way more loss than I even thought. Because they have to know that Keenham's a limited guy. They've got researched that says otherwise. Oh, my God. They just went so hard to sell it that it seems a weird move to not believe it at all and go that hard to sell it. I'm going to surprise you. I'm holding. I found something that you could hold because I think they are selling.

I mean, I think they do believe it because they know they might not have a choice. that may be in their perfect world, they would love to move up. But they know that's not the reality of how things work. Those guys might get taken one, two. You know, things haven't worked out this off season. So I wouldn't rule out them doing something, but they have to be all right. I mean, Dan, you know.

It sounds like Nick Fools isn't going to be on the team either. Pro Football Talk reported that over the week. In our GM roundtable slash call at one GM calls up another game, Peyton Manning tried very, very hard to sell himself to Les Need and Les Sneed would have none of it. It was actually one of those things where you felt. bad because a legend to hear him begging for a job after a brilliant career. Yeah, it was disheartening.

It was tough. All right, here's another one. John Elway has earned the benefit of the doubt. We should all trust his process at quarterback. Guess what, guys, I'm selling. Everybody calmed down with John Elway's infallible because he's had some nice seasons, Peyton Manning, and then just won a ring with one of the best defenses ever, which he helped build, of course.

but he couldn't handle he's handled his situation poorly the Brock thing was a mess the Peyton thing lasted too long it hung around too long and now he's playing this like weird perverted dance with Trent Balke and I don't like how this is playing out

because now we're like Why is it perverted? It's just gross and we're creeping into the off-season programs I'm getting a weird image of Balke you should be Elway grinding at a nightclub with power

what was the and now you've given us that image. Thank you, Greg. In no way should you not be thinking it's gross, because it is. It's a pervert. It's like the Lombada. I think they're friends, though. I think that's why this is able to go on so long, is that they have a good

Well, guess what? They got two teams being held hostage by it, and it's going on too long and cut it, Elway, you're doing a bad job with this. You've got to defend a title and you're going to make Mark Sanchez your quarterback potentially. Come on, Joon. I'm buying every bit of this. Elway sitting back in his leather recliner in his office with a feet on

the table and a Stoge because he has evaluated every one of these quarterbacks correctly so far. None of them is the solution. That's why he's waiting for something to happen. But, well, once he got, he's been in seven Super Bowls, he did, I think turning Tim Tebow into Peyton Manning was the most brilliant free agent move I've ever seen. Not only did you get rid of your Tebow problem with everyone in Denver is an acolyte and just rooting for Tebow, he got rid of that problem and pulled off one of the best signings

of all time. Well, you make it sound like he chose not to keep Brock Osweiler. I think John Elway has been so good at convincing free agents on what he wants them to do that he maybe got overconfident. He wanted Brock Osweiler in the worst way. He butchered it, guys. $16 million a year. But I'm going to hold because I don't think I'm just going to hold everything because you

can't, I don't think you can sell it yet until you see what happens. If he ends up getting Kaepernick at the price he wants, then you have to give him credit. I think, though, something you just said speaks to what Wesleyan said about him able to evaluate quarterbacks. Yes, they wanted Brock Oswito. They were not about to pay what Houston was. The next one up. The AFC South is on the rise.

Buying, selling, or Greg, please hold. Okay, go ahead. I am selling that. This is just another fun off-season story. Going after Mark again. This is a fun off-season story. They are more interesting to watch.

I guess if you wanted to say they're on the rise because they could be a little better than they were, sure. But if I'm rating the four divisions, I think they're the worst division in the AFC. And I think they don't not really have a team that's a title contender. Sure, anyone could win that division, but I think the Texans might not be much better at all. It wouldn't surprise me if they're worse next year. So I think it's a more interesting division. I don't see it as on the rise. I'd take the west or the north or the east.

Well, I'm buying because we're not saying that they're going to peak as a division this upcoming season, but they cannot be any worse than they were last year. Well, that's a lot different. The year before that they were worse. That's a lot. I do think they're on the rise. On the rise is like multiple teams over 500. Half the teams were talking about didn't have a serviceable quarterback three seasons

ago. Now all four teams have quarterbacks you can at least say give you hope to build. and I like the patience in Jacksonville. Tennessee's coaching situation is a little muddled, but Houston and the cults get Andrew Luckback. Yes, I think they're on the rise. I think we're not going to look at them back as the worst division in a laughing stock after this season.

I'm buying this. But that already happened. They're not a laughing stock now. A couple of years ago. The South? The South is a mess last year. They're on the rise. Tennessee didn't have anything to make them interesting.

Now they have one of the most interesting young quarterbacks in the league. They signed a couple of guys in free agency. Get to Marco Murray. Jackson. Oh, yeah, get to Marco Murray. That will make a team exciting in 2016. All right. But, you know, you say that this year, last offseason,

you would have said he's coming off the offensive player of the year award. And then look at Jacksonville. We said for years, they've got, what, two above-average starters on the entire roster. Now, you know, they signed four or five guys in free agency who are above average and develop some of their own. And Houston, I think, is a playoff team. So I definitely think they're on the rise. I guess Houston and India are the keys to this because they are both,

Both supposed to be kind of playoff teams potentially. And then the other teams just need to kind of hover and get closer to 500. I think the other two teams are the key because Jacksonville and what their offense is potentially becoming is extremely interesting. And if Bortles and Marriota, if they become what we think, then that whole division becomes crazy. I agree that they're more interesting, but the second best defense in that division is, who knows. And to me, you're not on the rise if you're the worst division in the conference. So I don't think you can be on the rise if you're still fourth. You've got to start.

Is that to go from fourth to first? Yeah, fourth to 30. Also, pass one of them. I'm buying a Marriota, but I'm holding on Blake still. Let's see. Wow. Blake Bortles. There's a bonus.

That's finished second in the league in touchdowns last year. Yeah, but I think we know. I think we know that Blake Bortles wasn't truly a stud last year. Let's look at how many of those touchdowns came when it barely mattered. He's still learning. He's still developing. You are right about the touchdowns. touchdowns, but I think there's a lot of reason to like

Blake Portals. All right, here we go. The Eagles are serious about moving up to the first overall pick. A lot of buzz about the Titans trading out of that pick and the Eagles moving in. Mark, buying sell and holding. I am buying it. I don't know if it's I don't think it's going to happen. It's very hard to

commend to that kind of a swap, but they do seem, and we've heard this from multiple places, that they are in love with one of the quarterbacks and that they, you're not going to go up to number one if it's not after one of the quarterbacks. So I buy it. I'm sure it sounds like they've probably been on the phone with Tennessee,

and if the compensation is right, there's a chance. They're not one of these teams that has to move up from, you know, the 25th spot or something. It's lying season. I don't buy any pre-draft talk. Exactly. I'm selling. I'm holding.

But if these trades do happen, then their talking is happening now. But I think if the Eagles, if this is getting out there, and I was forced to just wildly guess why, it would be because the Eagles want people to trade into their number eight positions. that's it that people think they're in the quarterback market so so hey we're a team that that could take a quarterback so you better trade to us that that's the only reason why this gets out there i think at this point in the year i mean it's like it's like the rams and todd gurley last year you never heard a peep about about that i think if it was something they really

wanted to do we wouldn't know about it brandon behind the glass eight o'clock the light please the saints could draft jared goff or another quarterback high in the 2016 draft. Greg. That I'm buying. Why? Breeze could be in his last year. I think they... Just trouts at a quarterback last year.

Take another one. Could JJ Watt retire from the NFL early? Wes? I mean, how early? A lot of nuance to this question. Guess what? I am selling because there's a new Watt story every week. Are you paying attention?

Last week he played five toward core muscles. He's looking for glory. Next up, Marvin Lewis. Bengals will bury playoff loss later this month when the OTAs begin, Mark. Yes, I think teams do that, yes, I buy that. I'm selling, they're going to stuck with ghosts, stuck with ghosts. Is he going to bury the ball?

Burry the ball, you bury the pass. That's a person-to-person scenario, but okay. Don't you feel like they're knocking? Do a couple players on the team might still get angry about it? A big chunk of the roster has moved on. But then January comes, and they're 11 and 5. It's still sticking with them. They've got a win in January.

West of us. Big Ben. sheds pounds with, quote, high cardio workout. Greg, come October, he's going to be a big old beefy bed, right? I am buying. It has been medically proven cardio workouts, help you to lose weight. Finally, Tony Romo says he is healed and ready for OTA's mark. Yeah, I think he is.

I buy it. You're going to break that collarbone again. What is wrong with you? I don't want it to happen. It's going to have. Collarbone shot. I've never seen. It's a collarbone shot.

Like he's an old car. I've never seen you happier to say anything than you were to say you're like, I'm a well-known. He's like, he's going to break his carnivote again, baby. Oh, yeah. That's offensive. That was weird. That was ridiculous.

I'm a well-known Romo apologist, but I do feel like the end is near. And I do think the Cowboys will live to regret it if they don't take advantage of their high draft standing and get somebody else in the building. They can throw the ball. We'll see. We need to have one. We need to have one more. Tony Romo playoff run.

I would love it. Not that there's been a ton of them, but we need to have one at the end of his career. That's what I would. That would be one of my favorite non-Jet's like dream subplots and him going through the NFC playoffs

and shocking people. And by the way, Wes, I know you don't like the Cowboys because of Greg Hardy, but do they get any, I was thinking about this the other day, do they get any credit for realizing they made a mistake

and completely distancing themselves from them and almost being open and admitting their mistake that they've had no thoughts about bringing him better. A little bit of credit. No, because have they come out and said that? Jason Garrett all but said Greg Hardy was poison at the combat.

He didn't say that. Well, he's not going to. Right. I would give them credit if they owned up to their mistake, but they haven't. And Jerry Jones has said, well, he's still an option. Oh, he ain't coming, though. I'm just saying, all right, if you wouldn't. Why should I give them credit for, like, basically ignoring the story?

Greg, you know what I'm saying, right? I think they deserve a small modicum of credit for not re-signing him, assuming it doesn't happen, despite him being productive. Our standards are so high here. Why do we need to give the Cowboys credit for not making the same mistake twice? And it's an obvious roster need, and they're still saying no. They course corrected. They, you know, not early on in the matter, but yes.

I guess we would have to give all 31 other teams double credit because they didn't sign them the first time. I have to still not signed it. No team is perfect when it comes to, you know, we're trying to bring in. guys sometimes we overlook character i just don't think i think it would be unfair if west held hardy over the cowboy's head for another season that's all i don't know i that's fine i i get that i must i feel very strongly about people all make mistakes we all do i feel very strongly about people who refuse to show any remorse or contrition all right so good talk good talk west they just like to check in with you on certain things i really well um sorry about your spurs

last night. Yeah, that was a tough one. But the night ended better, from what I understand. What's the upshot? I'm not following it at all. Still in the playoffs and everything, right? Of course, but they had a chance to go 41 and O at home, and the Coldest State Warriors knocked them off at the Alamo.

We're at the point where we're talking about regular season NBA basketball. Well, it's historic, Mark. Yeah, Mark, there are other sports. I'm just saying, if we're going to talk NBA, let's talk playoffs. I mean, the regular season of that interminably long campaign is ridiculous. All right, Mark. You got it out of you. Well, you love NBA regular season action?

That's what you sign up for that? We got to go because Greg has a meeting, but I will say that the Golden State Warriors going into that game are 71 and 9. One win to tie the Bulls for the all-time wins record. On the other side, the Spurs are 39-0 at home. No team has ever went undefeated in a whole season at home. Historic ramifications for both franchises in the regular season, that's a pretty good game to watch.

That's all. I agree. I watched it. I don't disagree. I just thought. I'm just saying. Record ratings. In December or something, I'm with you.

Record ratings, I don't care about. That's not the selling point. That would be a good off-season pod where you just kind of riff on all the different sports that you dislike. Regular seasons. The playoffs, they got it all going on, have a nice time. But, I mean, give me a break. We will be back.

What's the three pods this week? Why not? Is everyone okay with that? Sure. Why not? Are you okay with that? Yeah. Wes?

Yeah. Let's do it. Right? Okay. We'll be back on Wednesday. with another edition of the round of the NFL podcast. Let's come in on Saturday and do one. I like that.

Let's do that. Seven days of podcast this week. No, we won't be doing that. But, yeah, we'll be back on Wednesday with another show. Until then, this is Dan Hansa signing off for The Quiet Storm. See, there's history in the NBA taking place. The Mailman, the boss. Welcome back, Greg.

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