NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Catching Up on Big Offseason News with Steve Wyche, Nick Shook and Ian Rapoport

Episode Date: July 10, 2024

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Steve Wyche and Nick Shook for another episode of NFL Daily! Today the group is looking at the biggest offseason news from the past couple weeks by way of a draft. Starting with the Trevor Lawrence extension (3:10) , the Brandon Aiyuk contract situation in San Fran (11:15), coach Mike Zimmer's potential impact on Micah Parsons (24:29) and much more. Next, we're joined by NFL insider Ian Rapoport to discuss some potential hold-ins and holdouts heading into this years training camps (37:14). Finally, we do a speed round of the news we didn't get a chance to hit (47:17).  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thank you for joining me, Steve. I was waiting for John Fissenda's voice to come in with that music right there. I mean, just like the whole symphonic element of that. strong for the daily. You, uh, yeah, you just heard it for the first time. Yeah, we're adding elements as we go here, Shooki. We've got a tour group right outside the window waving, uh, at me. So yeah, you can check us out on YouTube as well.

And it's good to see you, Shook. And, uh, yeah, for the YouTube audience, just take off your hat and show, uh, your sunburn right now, because it is like the best bald sunburn I've ever seen. Ooh, dude, you got roasted. This is, this is what happens when you, were a backwards hat because you're trying to protect your bald head from a sunburn when you're playing sand volleyball, but you forget about that little setting or rising sun depending on your preference right there and how it's just imprinted in your forehead. So as I mentioned, and how are you

Shuki? Yeah, I had a good offseason. Yeah, you know, we're cooking. We're ready for the season. I can't wait to get the fresh tape going. There's so, you know, you guys talked about on the show yesterday. There's so much unknown. We don't know yet, but we're going to find out that curiosity. I'm just ready to go. I want to find out. I want to learn. I want to be a sponge and soak it all up. I know. This is a week that is, it's like the last truly quiet week. And you never know.

Things could change, but this is like really the last total week of the offseason. Next week, the Houston Texans will be reporting in full by the end of the week. And rookies for some teams start reporting earlier in the week. So yeah, football is back. And we're going to

talk about what's happened really in the last six week, because I'm just a nut about this, and this show, and I wanted you two guys on for this especially, because Steve's going to be joining us during the season quite a bit, and I really am excited about that. And Nick, you are as well. You're going to be big parts of the show. And the show at its core, once things start going, is going to have a really important news element. We're doing this daily, and that's partly to catch everything. Like, if we miss something, we're going to catch it the next day. But we didn't catch anything for six weeks or so. And I just, I guess, I guess my

takes have been building up and I want to go through all the biggest stuff that's been going on this off season and I made a list and you guys added some stuff and we're going to draft off that list what we think mattered because obviously all of it didn't really matter that much or what we think is interesting from this off season really looking at kind of late May through now and Nick I'm going to let you start off so it's a draft with absolutely no repercussions you can't really win this draft I guess but I'm going to give you the first pick of a new story or you want to talk about. This is going to be the longest run-up

of the draft card and the history of a draft. We're coming roughly 2,500 miles across the country, but we're handing it in now, and it is the massive quarterback contract that most everybody expected would happen before long.

Trevor Lawrence is locked up through 2030. Massive deal for him, $275 million. And a deal that I think some people probably don't feel 100% confident in, but if the Jaguars see Trevor Lawrence

as their guy, they had to make this, they had to get this done. It's just as simple as that. It's a product of the market and the rising quarterback contracts. And now the question becomes, does Trevor Lawrence live up to that? Because we've seen flashes of greatness from him. We've seen inconsistency.

Last year he suffered some injury issues for the first time. And the Jaguar season as a whole last year, in my opinion, was just a season of near misses. And it started with Lawrence just to tick off this way, just missing a guy by a yard this way. Mistakes here could never really get into a rhythm and they fell apart down the stretch. So him getting this contract now, it's a vote of confidence. you have your quarterback established, but the pressure instantly is on to live up to that contract.

He's no longer a rookie just trying to find his way. Yeah, the pressure's on because when I saw this, Nick, this is the one we're front office guys, Greg. That's what they say, what do we do if we let him go?

Like if we don't pay him, what's the next plan? And that's where a lot of teams get caught. Like, you know, what are we doing? You know, who's, are we going to be bad enough to draft a guy?

We want to go through that because the coaching staff is going to get fired or do we really believe that Trevor Lawrence is that guy? And as Nick said, we've seen flashes where there's been no doubt. I've talked to coaches who've been like, man, this guy has seen the field differently. He's picking us apart. But we've seen some inconsistencies.

And we saw last year when Christian Kirk went down, they could not generate much of an offense. Is that on Trevor Lawrence? Was that other guys not stepping up? Was that on the play calling? What happened with the way they were supposed to function? We saw him try to gut through that ankle injury and things like that. So I think that's where it works but this season is going to be interesting

because last year this time all the Jags are going to win the AFC South. Now, I, they're in the, I mean, Houston is a team to beat. The Colts with Anthony Richardson, they were on the cusp of a playoff. I mean,

Trevor Lawrence is the like third most exciting quarterback in this division now. Sorry. I mean, just because I like Anthony Richardson. I'm not saying he's better than Trevor Lawrence, but I want to see him. I thought you were putting Will Levis ahead of him.

Will Levis is exciting. We're going to have Nate Tyson. on Monday, and he is the biggest Will Levis fan out there. He's shown flashes, too. He's compelling. These contracts are tough to analyze because they're also similar, and that doesn't seem right. Like, why is Trevor Lawrence getting close to the same contract of these players that are

just clearly better than him? But it's just how the NFL works. Like, you just can't change it. It's really because of the salary cap. And the guys like Mahomes and Allen and Joe Burrow and Herber. And those contracts are a little better. Jaylen Hertz. Right.

If you really look under the hood, this Trevor Lawrence one was like a small discount. Actually, in terms of the first three or four years, you know, we're okay, but kind of at a lower level and long term definitely at a, just like a slightly lower level. But that's just how the NFL works that everyone gets about the same contract. And you hope if the top 12 quarterbacks. are all pretty close in contracts that your guy is just higher on that list. And Lawrence hasn't been yet, but it's also a no-brainer because you just don't want to be the Cowboys in wait until the last year because you'll end up paying more.

And Dak doesn't have that contract. And to me, Trevor Lawrence is at a similar place in the pecking order. It kind of reminds me a little bit of Kyler Murray, who's also a number one overall pick where he was at a similar place. The difference is Lawrence just had the hype. Like, Kyler Murray, I think, has had moments and he's shown where he is, but, like, not exactly where you want to be. And to me, that's where Trevor Lawrence is.

It's just people expected more out of Trevor Lawrence, so they grade them on a different curve. And it's funny because we're talking about this, because the money's insane, right? But we said the same thing when Patrick Mahomes and he signed that 10-year, $450 million deal. That is a bargain. Oh, my gosh.

And it's only like four years after he did it. I kind of knew that, though, when they made that 10 years, any 10-year contract in the NFL ends up being a bargain, yeah. But, yeah, I mean, I think that's where we are. All right, let's go. Draft pick number two, Steve Weiss. Let's go.

Okay, well, I'm going to stay in the division because this has been the summer of C.J. Straub. Okay. You talk about the six weeks. Greg, if you had your eyes closed, you would have missed it because he's been everywhere, right? You know, he did the thing over in Asia, which was great with Micah Parsons. He's been on all these podcasts. We see him at the Fanatics White Party, but then we also see him in the street in Houston, like after a natural disaster, like just helping out, you know, playing catch with guys. and the fact that this was a player

who last year was being debated is he the number one or the number two quarterback coming out of the draft. A lot of people didn't like him because he was inconsistent at Ohio State comes in and has this huge first year, completely franchise changing, and legitimately you can say that, a franchise changing

player. The Houston Texans were the poster children of dysfunction. And in one season with him and D'Amico Ryan's coming in, he elevated guys around him, took them to the playoffs, and it's now on track. I mean, a top five betting favorite to be the MVP next season. So the fact that he has shown some of himself, Nick, like as a human being on top of what we saw on the field

and heard about what he did in locker rooms and inviting guys over to his house every Thursday night, whatever. To me, the summer CJ Stroud has been absolutely fantastic. In the fact where, you know, Micah Parsons is sitting there talking about, oh, I could hang, I could hit five, three-pointers in an NBA game. And Stroud's like, no, you can't. You're not even getting one off against these guys. Like, don't be stupid. He has no filter when talking about other players. Great. And he's, you know, we talked about him on, uh, on our first show, too, just from a football perspective. But you're right. I just love him as a, as a person. Like, he wasn't,

wasn't afraid to throw a little shade there at Aaron Rogers. Like, not the biggest Aaron Rogers fan. He was just talking about his game. And he's a ball knower. And yeah, he was doing something. Who knows? Maybe other Cowboys teammates would like to do. Just shade, you know, Micah, just a little bit. Just like, if he's getting out of order, just say something back. Are you a big CJ guy, Nick? I would like to go on the record as stating that I was one of the bigger CJ guys out there just from his combine workout, his presence at the combine. I was taking a back at his press conference when people were asking him,

hey, why don't you run that much? And, you know, what are your greatest strengths? He goes, I don't run that much because I don't feel I need to run that much because my greatest strength is my accuracy. And I'm going to show that off in the field. And then he went out there and put together one of the, the best workouts, obviously against air, but that I've ever seen from a quarterback at the Combine.

I was instantly, you know, taken by him. I was ready to roll with him as my franchise quarterback. And that doesn't even, you know, tie into the fact that I watched him religiously at Ohio State because I felt like he didn't quite meet expectation at Ohio State. So at that point, as soon as they took him and proceeded, it was like, all right, well, he's in a situation now where the Texans have done some things in the off season.

Maybe they could. Are you a Buckeyes fan? I am a Buckeyes fan. I mean, that's pretty, everybody from Ohio is. I know, but that's pretty hard. to say he didn't meet expectations. Like, I watched C.D. You have to understand,

Justin Fields was really special at Ohio State in a different way. So it was a slight step down, but it's funny because their careers are the exact opposite. I mean, how about that semi-final game? I don't know if anyone can top what C.G. Strad did that.

That was his best performance. I guess George, that was insane. You didn't know. Yeah, until then you didn't really know. And I looked back and thought, man, I wish you would have been that guy against Michigan the last couple of years. Oh, there it is.

I know. Yeah, I got to get it up. But there it is. Four straight. It's like a competition. between the Ohio State and Michigan, who can be the most annoying fan base in the entire country on any planet. And I don't know. I don't know who it is. Michigan probably has the honor right now just because they have the title. All right, I'm going to pick third. I'm going to

talk about Brandon Ayuk. 49ers are very active and maybe we'll get to a few other players on them. But you didn't show up for minicamp. Surprise. Had a meeting with the 49ers that we heard about let's actually listen to brandon iuk this is courtesy of the pivot podcast if i were to take a guess probably probably a nine or uniform probably a nine or uniform i mean if not a nineers uniform probably a washington commander uniform if not a washington commander uniform probably a steeler's uniform from your lips to god's ears so brant That was wild because he was answering a question about what uniform he sees himself in in 2024. And he started with the 49ers, to be clear.

And I believe that is by far the most likely option. But you don't hear players normally just mention the other team. You know he kind of knows something there. Commanders, of course, is run by Adam Peters, who is in the 49ers building. So he knows how good they are. And this is just one of those to watch. We're going to have Ian Rappaport on later, and we're going to talk about some potential holdouts,

kind of which guys he thinks are more likely, less likely to hold out. But Ayyuk was making a lot of noise in the off season. It's gone up and down. Like, whatever week you check in, and it depends, it changes whether you think he's going to show up how happy he is. I think they know how good he is. But it is interesting that, look, CMC got his two-year extensions. That was worth about $19 million per Juan Jennings.

Another wide receiver got what I think for the 49ers was a steal because that dude is a good player. He moves to chains, man. He might have sold himself a little short, but I get it. I would be like that too if somehow I was an NFL player. It's just like, I don't want a chance another year where I could tear my Patel attendant. So they gave him a nice contract. And Brian the Nyuk is still unsigned. Well, he's still unsigned, but I think they get it done.

I mean, the Niners are a team a lot like, you know, the Rams, a couple other teams where they get deals done right before training camp or right as you enter training camp. but if you look ever since Brock Purdy has taken the field when he came on as a rookie against Miami the connection he has with Brandon Ayyuk is completely different than what he has with any other receiver any other player on the team right the 49ers basically throw the ball fewer than any team

in the NFL right they're right there at the bottom in terms of pass attempts but when he throws it it's to Iyuk right Debo Samuel gets some kid will get some but it's predominantly to Iyke and that combination you can't mistake because the Niners are all in on Brock Purdy right So I think you're going to end up seeing something with IUC getting done

and maybe after the season when they've got to pay Brock Purdy maybe that's when we see Debo Samuel finally come off the books and get moved to another team that way. But I just think Brandon Iyuk does get done. But it is hilarious that he said well this team that team

it is completely different but he's such a good player. He's such a great route running. You talk to DB2 face him inside, outside like they're like that is their legit number one wide receiver and it's interesting too that he's a pretty wise player or at least he he's kind of playing the situation fairly well in that he's thought about teams that need receivers or we're in the receiver market the Steelers were one of those teams in the off season and he obviously

sees the opportunity there whether it's with russell wilson or justin fields or whatever it is he sees the opportunity but it's funny because you talk about deba samuel probably being the guy who comes off the books he's probably the first jango piece out of the tower but you think in reverse in pecking order. Iyke would be last in this offseason, you know, set of deals in any circumstance, not just because he's Brandon Ayuk, but because you're obviously going to pay McCaffrey and you get Joanne Jennings cheaper. It's funny, though, because I think about them last year and, and, you know, you have Debo Samuel and you have Christian McCaffrey and you have George Kittle, and then Brandon Ayuk starts making all these plays with Brock Purdy. And for a while, I just

believe that, well, maybe that's just a product of scheme and you can only cover so many guys and Iyuk just happens to be the guy who ends up open because of scheme and how they're dedicating their coverages. And then we got through the season. and I look back and realize no, he's just a damn good football player. And he's going to continue to be one and he's going to get paid like one. He's a great example of the guy you are drafting

is not the guy necessarily that he's going to be in year four because if someone had said that that dude when he was coming out of college was going to be one of the best route runners in the league, he was just not that dude. Steve Smith said it. Steve Smith said it. Okay, well, I didn't see it.

I didn't see it. And not a lot of people saw it, but Shanahan saw it. What you did see was he was going to be one of the yak monsters right off the bat. Like he was going to make people miss and he'd be a different version of like a Debo. But now he's complete. He's clearly, to me, more valuable than Debo. And I do now as we're talking this through it.

This is why I wanted to do it with you guys. Just like process all this stuff. Like, oh yeah, the Jennings deal sets them up for when they trade Debo. Like because that's paid, you know, they just spent their first round pick on a wide receiver, Ricky Pearsall. So I was kind of surprised by the Jennings deal but they're locking in a really good number three, one of the best

in the league, great blocker at a low rate and that's going to free them up to trade Devo. So we solved the 49ers. So we did. Nick, why don't you go up? Take another story off the board here. Actually, we're going to solve world hunger. I'm going to go back to the Texans for a second because part of the summer of C.J. Stroud connection

was his teammates who got paid and the people that they brought in. Nico Collins gets a new deal in the offseason. And you might see that. think, Nico Collins, how is he getting that type of money? Well, if you watched the Texans last year, when it wasn't Tankdell making plays, Nico Collins was C.J. Stroud's favorite receiver, it was obvious in the preseason that Nico Collins was going to be his favorite receiver. He was the most reliable, and he's exceeded all expectations. So, of course, now is the time

with the guy on the rookie contract in C.J. Stroud to pay him, and people probably still aren't going to pay attention to him because they're not going to think about money when they think about brand name. They're going to go to Stefan Diggs. They're going to go to Tankdale because his nickname's tank. But Nico Collins continues to be an integral part of this offense. So I'm happy for him that he got paid. And again, that doesn't happen without CJ Stroud. And it just kind of, you know, points again to how

you put a franchise quarterback in there and a young one who has success and it just spiderwebs out and everybody around them. They all get affected positively by it. Yeah, look, man. You know, you're talking about the Nico Collins contract. The amount of Ross, St. Brown, wide receiver contract since we're talking about, I do. Yes. I mean, that's what we're having the stare at step. We talk about how the quarterback

contracts are coming like that. Now you're seeing that $30 million a year APY, which now Tyreek Hill wants to get back on top of that. He was the highest. That's something that we're seeing with these contracts. But speaking of the Texans, I mean, look what they did defensively. They had DeNeal Hunter after

who was Jonathan Granard. They add DeNico Autry. I mean, he, that guy's been a heck of a player. Like this team getting Joe Mixon and Nick, you know that being up there in AFC North Country. That dude is a for a seventh rounder seat.

It's almost too much. There's almost like everything's a little too perfect that it worries me. Yeah. But sometimes the hype team that had the big lift the year before, sometimes they continue it and take that lift. The Lions did it a year ago. Yep. I tend to, and I did it,

I like was fading essentially the Jaguars last year because when you jump up that much, usually it's hard to maintain it. And my instinct would be to do that with the Texans this year too, but I just can't do it because of everything you just said and because it's CJ. And yeah, Nico Collins, people were like, I can't believe Nico Collins is making that much money. Watch Nico Collins. Like, people get too carried away with, oh, is he a number one or is he number two?

He's one of the 25 or so best receiver in league. He is a tall, physical guy who can snatch the ball, play on the outside, and make really good plays after the catch. Like, he really is a complete receiver. He's not that different actually from NIUK, not quite as physical. But that was just 24. When you do these contracts, they're tacking on. it was an extension.

So it looks like it was $24 million per year. But really, if it's the whole contract, it was $18 per year, which for a wide receiver is affordable these days. We'll probably talk about more receiver contracts because we haven't talked about the biggest one. But first, we're going to take a quick break. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here.

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Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Back on NFL daily. Oh, let's just get to it. We might as well talk Justin Jefferson. That's been the biggest contract since we last talk to y'all out there. and yeah, Justin Jefferson signing the biggest contract in the history of football for a wide receiver and bigger than some top shelf quarterbacks

were making not that long ago, Steve. Yeah, look, a four-year, $140 million deal. The Vikings tried to come to a deal with them last year and they couldn't get there. And, you know, good for Jefferson because you saw how the market is this absolutely gone insane. I talked about it on the show earlier that 30 million APY for receivers

is now kind of the floor for the elite guys. Guys, and Justin Jefferson, think what you want. He's probably the best wide receiver in the NFL. And the Vikings know that he's a cornerstone. They've got a quarterback and Sam Darnold, who they're not paying big money to. And then they drafted a quarterback, who they're playing a rookie numbers to.

So you can afford to do this, especially when they made some of the changes that they made, getting somebody who costs less, and Johnson Granard is an edge rusher, then Daniel Hunter, got rid of Marcus Davenport on one side because he developed some young pass rushers. So they've got to cut off. offensive line. We'll see what happens at running back right there. You know, they got Aaron Jones

up there. So I mean, the Vikings are one of these teams where if they even get adequate quarterback play with a guy like Justin Jefferson, we're going to be talking about them being a playoff team when no one is mentioning them right now. When you got a guy like Justin Jefferson to occupy defensive coordinator's game planning all week, he's going to be worth the money for that alone to open up the rest of the offense. I mean, he's the best receiver in the league, I believe, since he entered the league. So it's not surprising that he's the one to break this barrier.

But wow, $110 million guaranteed, Nick. Like, that is more than on some big quarterback contracts, not that long ago. And you think, like, oh, is that crazy for receiver? And then I think, like, Derek White, my favorite player in the NBA, got $125 million. So, man, Justin Jefferson's underplayed. Have your kids be basketball players.

What do you think, though, Nick, of, like, wide receivers have really turned into, even maybe a head of edge rushers the number two position now. And I think it's partly in effect of the analytical thinking of front offices. It's like, that's sort of a drum

PFF types have been saying for a while that like wide receiver is probably the next most important position. Maybe it's defensive in. Well, first off, I knew the Celtics would make it in here eventually, so congratulations, great. But yeah, I look at it kind of as an inverse with the Vikings especially

because you have a rookie quarterback and there are a few, just a small handful of receivers who can perform regardless of who's throwing it to them. And Justin Jefferson is among that group. So instead of paying a quarterback 30, 35 or more million dollars a year, you pay Justin Jefferson that money. You go with a rookie. You go with a Sam Darnold as a veteran potentially starter. Maybe backup. We'll see how that shakes out. Right now he looks like he's going to be the starter, but there's a lot of camp left to go. And you take those combined financial savings and you just dump it on that receiver, a guy who elevates the rest of the offense. He can, you know, he's one of those rare guys that you can double him and he's still

going to make plays. He's going to make plays when it's fourth in a mile and climb the ladder and make a one-handed catch to keep your team alive in a thrilling game. That's just who he is. You pay these guys because you know, no matter what draft class it is, it's once in a generation or right around that range that you're going to find a guy like Justin Jefferson. So even if it hurts your wallet, you know it's money well spent. Yeah, it informs why they let Kirk Cousins go. They knew they were making, doing this contract all along. I mean, Questy said it. He said, we're going to make him the highest paid non-Cubian history at the podium that's what I knew like oh a this is happening and B they've already offered that but he didn't take it like he wanted more than that

which is incredible let's listen to Jefferson and then Steve you're going to you're going to pick after that this is definitely you know of just like I've been saying this is the start of a lot you know this is something I've been waiting for and now being the leader of this team and you know carrying myself a different way. Just like I told him, I'm going to be on everyone, but I'm going to be on, you know, everyone hard, and I'm going to make sure that I'm the leader of this team. And, you know, we're working to where we want to go,

which is a world championship. Jefferson has cut through just like few others because if you watch youth flag football, they're all doing not just his gritty, but, you know, with the upside-down eyes. And they're all doing Jefferson's celebration. Well, and they love him in Minneapolis. I mean, I'm a native of there, you know, they'd love them, the organization, the community.

So, you know, that's it. So my turn to redraft, right? I'm coming in next to the line. So I want to go to Micah Parsons, okay? We've got Malik Hooker taking, you know, his teammate taking shots, Adam, him and him going back and forth. But Micah has been joining C.J. Stroud a little bit about being out there in the summer of Micah. But you gave us a quote, talking about his new defense coordinator, Mike Zimmer, remember his old D.C., Dan Quinn. who moved him from an inside linebacker to an edge rusher

where he's become a star. He says, honestly, me and Zim have probably set a total of 20 words together. He's a very quiet person. All I keep hearing from the coach is Zim likes it like this. Well, I like it that way. So I can't wait to sit down with him because that would be pretty cool. Obviously, old school mindset, old school mentality.

You know, I think he's had a lot of great players, but he ain't ever had a Micah. He's never had a Micah. He has it. And this is where it's going to be very interesting because, you know, he said he's only said 20 words to Mike. Zimmer. Mike Zimmer will say some things to him that are often preceded by

an F and followed by an F. Mike Zimmer is I know Zim quite well, right? And Jim is one of the best coaches, but I think Michael Parsons, like, okay, again, we saw Dan Quinn previously move him from inside to edge and kind of use him as that

little kind of unicorn type defender. Nobody may do that better than Mike Zimmer with certain guys. And I want to go back to when Zim was a defensive coordinator on the Falcons two styles and seven team with Bobby Petrino as the head coach. Wow.

That staff, by the way, was absolutely fantastic. But Zim had a guy on the lineback and Michael Bowley, right? And this is a guy, kind of a long, rangy dude, though. Just kind of a dude, though. And when Zim had him, Bowley, two interceptions,

seven passes, defense, four force fumbles, three sacks, 110 tackles, seven quarterback hits. Zim goes to Cincinnati does the same thing with guys like Carlos Dunlap. does the same thing with guys like Gino Atkins and Vantes Berthic

you know he did the same thing with Anthony Barr Sim will find a special talent he sees things in guys that other people may not see we all see it in Micah but he might be able to do something with Micah Parsons

that we have not seen before so again we all know this is a one year audition for that coaching staff right there they have got to get to the playoffs to make a deep run but I think Mike Zimmer paired with Micah Parsons

and this is no shot at Dan Quinn because he's fabulous at making people into stars and putting people in position to succeed. That could be an interesting marriage. Either it's going to be highly successful, like I did say with Michael Bowley, or it could be a nuclear disaster because Dan Quinn is a very player-friendly guy.

And Mike Zimmer, guys love playing for him, but he's one of those old Bill Parcells type of dudes who will tell you about yourself in ways that you don't want to hear. Do you think Parsons is disciplined enough in terms of doing what the coaches want him to do to play in that sort of defense? To me, he has a little bit of Lawrence Taylor to him talent-wise, and sometimes he's just doing his own thing, but it works quite a bit. Yeah, I mean, again, I think he will because, again, Zimmer has shown historically to make guys better. Now, he's tough, and it wears on guys.

But, I mean, you'll find most superstar athletes, especially defensive players, they want to be coached hard. They may not like the guy, but they want to be coach hard if they're seeing the results. And that's going to be the big thing with the Dallas Cowboys this season. Nick, let's go to you next with a pick. I want to get through as much as we can before we get Ian in on this show. All right. We brought this up earlier, but Anthony Richardson goes down with a shoulder injury after the first month of this season and completely fades from the consciousness of football. Fast forward to where we are now

he just completed mandatory mini-camp and he did pretty well he had to sit out because of fatigue but this guy is on track and he's on his way back so are we worried about his shoulder or are we just gearing up for a year two in which hopefully he makes it through a full season I am worried

let's actually listen to Anthony Richardson and see what his reaction was this was in June that you're talking about when he was not full go at the minicamp practice Yeah, no, no, nothing to worry about, you know, dealt with this before, you know. Normally I just ice up and just go back at it again, but, you know, they're saying there's no need to try to rest out there

for the last day, you know, when we've got the season coming up. So I got six weeks to, you know, keep practicing and keep throwing and just keep getting off the whole thing. I'm a little concerned, aren't you? I mean, make it through the end of viny camp. You just don't know at this time of year, but. See, he's reckless, and it's also not, you know, the way the style he played was reckless.

It's also not forget when it comes to college players, they end their seasons and then they go straight to training. Like the hardest guys ever work is coming out of their college years into their rookie year. They have no breather. They've got no time for their body to kind of recover. Maybe that's what happened with him. And Nick, I'm coming back to you because I know you live in the Cleveland area.

I'm more worried about Deshawn Watson's shoulder than I am Anthony Richardson's shoulder just because the way, the surgery that he had, the way that they've limited him, because this seems like much more of a structural issue than it does with Anthony Richardson. Yeah, it's not often that you see a quarterback suffer a glenoid fracture and then just come back perfectly fine.

And the Browns kind of were a little tight-lipped to a degree on Watson and didn't show a lot of footage, you know, on social media and that type of thing. But again, it is mini-camp. I agree. And the thing with that situation is the Browns are experiencing deja vu once again.

Their entire season hinges on whether Deshaun Watson can play well. And if he could be healthy enough to play, you know, they pulled a rabbit out of a hat last year with Joe Flacko. That guy in that situation is not going to replicate itself in another year. So you need him to play well. So yeah, I would actually be more worried because I think more rides on Deshaun Watson than on Anthony Richardson. But between the two quarterbacks, the higher ceiling, in my opinion right now is Anthony Rich. I just can't wait to watch and play. Now, I thought he was one of the sloppier quarterbacks in that class because, you know,

his mechanics were a little sloppy. He was a little lazy with it. He wasn't fine-tuned and he'd miss some throws. He even did it at the combine. But my God, man, watching Shane Stuyken work with him just for a month. You could already see the possibilities there. You could see what could be ahead for him. And it just left you wanting more. Because, I mean, James Dykin,

that's one of the coaches that we really didn't spend too much time talking about at the end of the season for the job that he did because we were paying attention to teams like the Texans. But, I mean, he did a fantastic job in his first season as a head coach. And that was with Gardner Minshew. Imagine what he could do with a fully healthy Anthony Richardson. So I cannot wait to watch and play.

And I'm just keeping my fingers crossed, but he stays healthy. It's such a weird come. not a weird, intriguing skill set. He just, and I went back this offseason and watched every, every throw he had. Not that there were that many, it was four games.

It was really two and a half, two games and then two half games. And he has incredible pocket presence for a rookie. Like he moves like, like in a way like Brady and Rivers move, just like making the little subtle adjustments and knowing, like you can't teach that. And he makes really good decisions.

I thought for the most part, in terms of where he throws it and he seems to get through his reads pretty quick but he's just not accurate and he was he wasn't preventing him from being effective but he still wasn't accurate for the cult either so he's like

got all these really next level mature traits and oh by the way he's built like Cam Newton and can run like that so it's like that is such a crazy combination that all he's got to do is get the accuracy to be somewhere in the Josh Allen range and that'll be more than good enough That's a great comparison because remember Josh Allen didn't have, you know,

and Anthony Richards got less of a body of work as a starting quarterback than Josh Allen had. And we saw the improvements Josh Allen had in the accuracy department. Anthony Richardson could be right there. Okay, I want to move on to a story that surprised me a little bit this last month, not Tua being unsigned. And I want to get your perspective on this, Steve, because you've spent a lot of time with Tua. And it's a tricky one. but Tyreek Hill

talking a little bit about how he wants new money and that this becoming a public thing you mentioned that about Jefferson we do have a quote here from Tyreek Hill very proud of those guys happy for obviously my teammate

Wado getting his new deal so for guys like me that's great I'm 30 years old also looking for a new deal So very excited to see where, you know, I fit in to that category. Right. It's amazing. He's the receiver, and maybe we'll talk about it with Ian, too, that I could see him holding out.

You know, this is a tricky situation for Miami. Like, can you pay both of these guys, Tyree Kills, getting up there in years? I mean, he's 30, but. He's still one of the most dangerous players. I get it, but he also has multiple years left on his contract. So do you want to be giving new money? to a guy that's like under contract or you know do you want them to maybe be a little unhappy and well they honestly can't afford it because they're going to pay to them okay so but let's move on

from that remember they pay you know the whole bradley chub are they going to pay to a at the level of like it's got to be up there okay it's got to be up there i mean for nothing else agents aren't taking you know hometown deals and trying to convince other quarterbacks to do it right his number is going to be there but maybe there's an out after two years that both them agree on maybe there's the structure of it allows it in the way as to where he gets a bunch of money up front, but then in two or three years they can get out without taking a big type of hit. But

you know, maybe you don't pay Tyree Kill this year, but you sweetened it up next year you have to see where things go. You've got Jaylon Phillips. You've got some players. But you saw them lose a guy like Christian Wilkins because, you know, they've got to pay. They're going to have to retool their offensive line. You know, a little bit more

because Ron Armstead. You know, he can't. Their O line is problematic. Yeah. I mean, so their things are going to have to do, but You can see the way some of their contracts are set up with other players where they're, they can probably get Tyree kill done. Okay. When we talk about his age, nobody wants to face Tyree kill except for, well, now he's in,

uh, he was with the chiefs. Now he's with the Titans, the DB who was, Lagerius Sneed. Like he's the only one who's like, okay, I have no fear of Tyree Kill. And you mentioned it earlier, Jalen Waddle signed a new contract. It was one of those that was the third highest in new money. But if you really look at the full contract, because it was tacking years on. It's really five for

108, you know, so I do look at it that way. It gets spun a little bit, but still a great deal for Jalen Waddle. Are you as confident in Wyshe, I guess, as about the Tua thing, because I don't know, man. I don't know. Okay, okay. He's the Tua whisperer here. I don't like any

of this with the dolphins. Just because Greg, think about it. Where did your kids when they were growing up keep their toys? You know, in one spare room or in an extra space in your house, right? No, all over the floor everywhere. Okay. And eventually they got new toys and he had to get rid of the old toys. You can't have too many toys with these dolphins. And I agree, Steve, nobody wants to face Tyreek. And that's the move right now for the next year or two. But if he's got multiple years left in this deal and he still wants a new deal. He's 30 years old. I know receivers always want new deals. Even right after they get paid, they want new deals because the market keeps going up. But eventually you got to accept it. Look, we got to get rid of the old toys. These are these are going to become hammy downs. Donate these. We got to let them walk. You know, it's going to be unfortunate for them. But I think that's the issue, especially. if you paid to it. And I, you know, I agree with you, Steve. He's going to get paid. I think

it's kind of a lot like the Trevor Lawrence situation. Yeah, he led the league in passing yards last year. But if you ask the average Dolphins fan right now, I don't think that they'd feel 100% confident in Tua as the future quarterback unless they see it done again this year. And I think that's why part of why we haven't seen it done yet. All right. The two and on. The two and on, it's going to be all over it. I haven't been told, uh, that we have Ian Rappaport on the line. This guy is a big deal. He's the NFL network. insider. I have I request for you, Nick. Can you hang out with us and return for the final segment of the show? Ian actually has something in his contract that he won't be on air with

any one of your physical stature. I don't mind it. I'm the smallest guy at the company, but that's, you know, what's happening. Hey, man, it's okay. I can go sit down. It'll make everybody else feel better. All right. We'll take a quick break and we'll have Ian come on and then we'll wrap the show with Nick in a little bit. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks,

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Welcome back to NFL Daily. I'm excited to welcome in Ian Rappaport. This is going to be part of our show if we have our wishes granted every week. It's not always going to be you, Ian. It'll be an insider every week to give us the lowdown. You are NFL media's

foremost insider. Don't tell that to Garifolo and Tom Pelliserro. It's good to have you, Ian. I appreciate you taking time away from tennis watching to join me. All in on Taylor Fritz, Saan Navar lost. That kind of sucks. It's been very fun.

Oh, so you're breaking that news to me. Yeah, it really shows how much I love football and was excited to launch this show this week that I am basically missing the second week of Wimbledon other than like the early morning stuff. It hurts, but Zverav is out, and that is like almost like winning the championship every tournament when he loses.

I celebrate, and I'm hoping Alcarus... You and Taylor Prince's girlfriend. Yeah, that's it. We're going to talk like a little holdout. Steve had to go running. Look, there's a lot going on at the... building today. He is hosting NFL Insiders all week, so you guys should check that out. And Ian will be on that as well. You're always on it. I want to talk holdouts down. We've talked a little bit

already on this show about Tua and Tyreek, but I'm going to throw a bunch of names at you. And you can either rank them or just tell me who you think is most likely to actually hold out once we get to training camp. And tell me if I'm forgetting anyone. I'll throw Tua, Tyreek Hill, C.D. Lamb, who we have not hit, and I'd like to. Alvin Camara, Brandon Ayyuk, let's throw in Hassan Reddick, who still has not really showed up for the Jets, Amari Cooper, and Jamar Chase.

That's where I kind of leave the list there. Okay, we'll go to some of the players who did not show up in minicamp, and these do not always correlate. It's not like a player misses minicamp, and then you know that he is going to hold out because we have seen very few actual real holdouts. So a couple last year.

you know, obviously it was the Zach Martin, you know, that was one, it was the Bosa, that was another. We don't see a lot of them, but I think one thing players are sort of realizing is if you really want to get paid, if you really want to use the leverage you have, staying away with holding services is certainly a way to do it. I would say C.D. Lamb and Brandon Ayuk are two that are at least possibilities. And, you know, look, we know this because they were not at minicamp. I mean, CD-LAM is obviously very serious and it seemed like there's been too much headway there. I think that's another one to watch Jamar Chase. I know it's very serious.

I know wants to make, let's just say, one penny more than Justin Jefferson. He did decide to show up at minicab, which seems to mean potentially that he would maybe show up at training camp. Now, is he going to do anything? I don't know. So a lot of time the difference here is just, are you physically present or not? Because you can hold in, which had the same effect as holding out. You just don't get fined as much, which is why it's something that has been obviously pretty attracted to players.

So I do want to pat myself on the back here because no one else is going to do it for me. Ian, I think I created Holden. You're sitting there by yourself in a room. Well, that's true. Yeah, Steve had to go. I think I coined Holden. I really did. Really?

I want it like because it was a new CBA thing and I started writing it on our website and I started saying it on the podcast and we put it in some headlines and I swear I hadn't seen it anywhere else and now it's just a thing so I've contributed very

very little to the football community over the years but I think I contributed Holden I feel like you did I mean I don't remember seeing anyone else besides you do it nor did I really pay even attention No, no one else. No one else would. I feel like, I don't know if I, I don't think I created it,

but I feel like I help popularize officially official, like when you report a deal and then it becomes announced. So I would give myself kudos for that one. Now, there's other nonsense that I'm sure I've contributed to the NFL lexicon. Scoop Town, I feel like, was one of my original words, which some people use to describe our little world. But, yeah, your contribution is noted as well. Thank you.

This is a tough combination, I think. and me and you were just like going to be so obnoxious as a combination that I don't know what that's going to do maybe maybe the listeners will love it maybe they will hate it Asan Redick though is a weird one to me actually I want to find out yeah I want to actually

go back to CD quickly because like what are the Cowboys doing with DAC and CD because like why are they the team that keeps waiting when it just seems like they look at the Eagles for instance their division it's like oh the smart teams get two years ahead of it and instead they're a year behind like why does that keep

happening. Yeah, I mean, that is true. And, you know, look, the Eagles are unbelievably proactive, and a lot of times it works, not all the time. Sometimes you extend your own player and it, you know, kind of blows up in your face, but these are the guys you should know well, right? So when DeVante Smith gets $25 million and all the other receivers, you know, jump him by a little, but still jump him, makes the Eagles seem like, well, they really are ahead of it. Now, we'll see what kind of year he ends up having, but certainly someone who should get that kind of money. I think the Cowboys have spent a lot of years dealing with dead money, dodging dead money, and I do think they wanted to take this year to kind of get their feet under him, getting better salary

cap shape, and not, you know, essentially over-leveraged themselves. Now, that can be good, but what I think has happened is they've seen the market climb as high as possible. I mean, the quarterback market for sure climbed when Trevor Lawrence got 55. The receiver market sure climbed when Justin Jefferson got, was it 34, right, that he ended up getting? I broke that deal, I should remember it. But anyway, so I do think the Cowboys would like to pay C.D. Lamb. The DAC Prescott one is interesting because up until recently there's been almost no movement there leading me to think, not reporting, but just think, that he might actually play it out. And then Dak talked at his camp and said there's been conversations back and forth.

This is the first time I think we've heard that there may be been contract conversation. So we'll keep an eye on that one. But basically what they've done is let the market develop and then they're going to end up paying a little higher than they probably otherwise might have. Or the way you're talking about it to me, like if I hear that as a Cowboys fan, I worry because that sounds like a potential reset year. If things just don't go well. Like we don't know how this season's going to go. maybe it's going to go great and they're going to want to keep everything together. But if, you know, the Mike Zimmer experience doesn't go well

and you're not using all the resources you can. Hold on. Start at the top. Start at Mike McCarthy. Yeah. I mean, of all the decisions that helped color the cowboy season, not extending Mike McCarthy, having a play out on a lame duck year, you know, certainly affects it as much as anything. And so, you know, in any other situation, you would say, obviously you're going to extend the coach obviously you're going to extend the starting quarterback

move on from there they haven't yet done either and I would say both would seem a little crazy taken out of the context but what I mean they really are setting up like if it doesn't work this year at least with McCarthy if it doesn't work this year we'll just move on now moving on from DAC is much much

much harder because you could say whatever you want about the MVP candidate and someone who's stature as good as anyone and someone who's probably is underappreciated a quarterback as there is in the NFL, but if the Cowboys let him go to free agency, who are you going to replace him with? That's the biggest thing, and there are no answers.

Right. They won't find an answer better than Dak. I think it's crazy, but I also think they just look like an indecisive team. And I love it when we get, you know, Ian's a reporter. He's a reporter's reporter. He's our insider, but I do love when we can get a little bit of analysis, this little bit of opinion from Ian here on NFL Daily. I guess I'll wrap with us on Reddit because this seems so weird.

Did the Jets mess this up by trading for a guy who like wasn't happy to be there? Like I can't remember ever a guy getting traded for in an offseason and not showing up. And you could be quick on this. I know you got to go get back to the insider, but it's like, what is happening here? I don't remember a similar, I'm sure there have been some. I don't remember a similar situation. Did they screw it up? I mean, I don't think so because, honestly, if I got it didn't show up for minicamp, I mean,

sure. You know, we spent a lot of time talking about it. There was a reporter whose name I totally forget, who one time said to me, this world would be better if we ignore everything that we report from May till training camp starts? Do you remember who that was? No, no. It could have been anyone. Oh.

It was you. Oh. Thank you. I didn't know I was a reporter. I would have thought that that was me, something that smart. Yeah, you're right. It would be better. not much that happens before then other than like actual transactions and injuries and stuff like that

other than actual transactions but if we get through training to training camp and he hasn't signed then it's a thing i do not yet think that it's a thing i love that ian is clocking and writing down things i said from like years ago and using it as gospel to give back to me in a in a live setting that makes me feel special david for right here uh ian thank you so much We hope to have you on, you know, throughout the buildup of the season and hopefully in the season. I know you're a busy man. Appreciate your time. All right.

Thank you for having me. Thanks, Ian. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from Scouting Reports and player development to team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week, we study the tape. Talk to decision makers and share the insights you won't find anywhere else.

It's the kind of conversation that connects the dots from college football prospects to the NFL stars of tomorrow. We break down the draft, analyze matchups, and evaluate how teams put it all together on game day. Plus, we dig in the coaching strategies, roster construction, and the trends that shape the league year after year. Whether you're a diehard fan or just love understanding the game on a deeper level, we give you the full picture. If you want insight that goes beyond the box score, this podcast is for you. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Matt Jones.

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visit Toyota.com slash NFL. Now to learn more. Back on NFL daily. We've got people coming, people going. Steve Weish, as I said, is out the door. But Nick shook his back to wrap up the show with me. And I got to say, Nick, we didn't get to everything on the news rundown. And so I'm going to try to get to everything now.

and good luck it's like a long list and you can feel free to jump in when you can or ask you but basically everything that happened in the NFL for the last six weeks or so that we did not hit at the top of the show let's let's play some NFL films music we have this huge library and it just feels like we got to start just taking full advantage of it it's free and it's amazing let's go randy oh yeah this is my favorite one. I mentioned Juan Jennings got that contract. George Kittle, Jimmy Ward of the 49ers coming off core muscle surgeries. That was kind of like sneaky big news out there. Darren Waller retired and also released one of the most regrettable music videos I've ever seen. Shook. It was bad.

It was bad. It was really bad. Don't watch it. Just move on with your life. You never saw it. Maybe do watch it. But at least a skip to the really crazy part, which is like the last minute and a half with the Kelsey Plum look alike. Falcons, they only got to find a fifth round pick for tampering with Kirk Cousins. Remember when we thought that that was going to be a really big deal? It was not a big deal. The Jaguars finally got a stadium deal done, but they're not going to play in Jacksonville in 2027. That's on my radar.

It's like a sneaky, crazy story that's going to be coming up. The Chicago Bears are your Hard Knocks team this year. I'm excited for way more Eber Fluse in my life. We also found out the in-season Hard Knocks team is actually four teams. It is the AFC North. What do you think about the division getting a whole hard-knocks treatment? Nothing's harder than rough and tumble

AFC North football. Let's go. I also think it was hard to do in-season hard knocks and make it great with one team so you get more good stuff with four teams. Mike Tomlin, speaking of the AFC North signed an extension through 2027. His cornerback, Cam Sutton, got suspended eight games.

That was just this week. They knew he would be suspended when they signed him for an off-season domestic assault violation. Aaron Rogers skipped minicamp. I thought that was kind of a nothing burger, but also was weird. Calais Campbell signed with the Dolphins. That was fun. In terms of first team reps news, all Russell Wilson in Denver, all Sam Darnold in Minnesota.

Jalen Hertz had a weird comment. Not a weird comment, but 95% of the Eagles offense is new. So this is really Kellyn Moore's offense. That's something to know about. One guy we didn't mention about holdouts was Marshon Lattimore because he showed up. So that is not going to be an issue. Your Browns, Chucky, signed Kevin Stafansky and Andrew Berry to contract extensions. And now they got a sign of Mari Cooper to an extension because he held out a menu camp.

But that'll happen before long. It was, yeah, I think that will happen. Corey Lindley, the Chargers Center retired. That sneaky, like huge news for them just because he was such a good player. T. Higgins signed his franchise tag. Zach Martin said he could retire after the season. Thought that was interesting. The Raiders gave Max Crosby a raise just because you never see this.

but they just gave him a raise for this year just because he's so good. Didn't add any years on, just like they love him. And then he spent that money on a new field at Eastern Michigan and has a Mac guy. Thank you, Max Krazzi,

for reinvesting in the Mid-American Conference. Remandre Stevenson got an extension. Najee Harris is not happy, is not talking, is not practicing because they didn't give him a fifth year option or he wants a new contract. Something's going on there.

Marshawn Lynch and Gavin Newsom have a podcast? What? That's weird. A UFO legend, Jake Bates. who hit back-to-back 64-yarders was signed by the Lions. I love this, and I love that we end our news rundown that way.

Hey, man, you can't buy big legs, so you got to go sign them, which is kind of like buying them, but not really. I do love... I mean, if you hit back-to-back 64-yarders, it feels the same, you should absolutely get signed.

And, yeah, on starter news, a couple last things, just, Jane Daniels, they're not crowning them quite yet, and Daniel Jones maybe isn't going to be quite ready for training camp, that's something I'm going to keep an eye on. That's it for the news portion of this show.

But Chuck yesterday, I introduced just the concept of an after-dinnerment, just something nice to end the show on. And I thought about something me and you talked about. We've known each other a long time, 10 years now. I actually hired you back in the day. And for people that don't know, you can't just tell from this show, Chuck is just a great guy, a great friend. And we've gone through some things this off season, some ups and some downs.

And, you know, you told me a great story about your grandfather, who I know is an important person in your life. It really stuck with me. It meant a lot to me. I thought, you know what, if you don't mind to hear it here on the podcast. Yeah, you know, whenever life gives you, you know, some trials and tribulations, you know, this I knew a man, I'm named after him actually, who, you know, he was a successful businessman, the patriarch of a family, and had a stroke.

three years before I was born, completely paralyzed in the right side of his body and found a way to live another 25 years and never lost his sunny optimism. And I was fortunate to spend a year living with him. My freshman year of college, I commuted. We shared an apartment and I will forever treasure those talks I had with him. And one of the biggest points he always made to me

as I went through some difficulties of just being an 18, 19, 19 year old kid trying to find your way is, look, life is full of ups and downs. And I always looked at him and thought, if he can live another quarter of a century with half of his body not being able to be used he lost his business he lost pretty much everything he lost his wife to alzheimer's and yet he was still so optimistic and every time i would talk about that he would just look at me and do the hand up and down ups and downs and he he passed away actually gregg um few days after you hired me back in 2014 right when i got to l.a he passed away and i still think about him to this day whenever things get

tough. And I'd just like to share that message with everybody else. You know, life has its ups and downs, but when you're down, just knowing up is on the way. Yeah, it just stuck with me because you said, you know, you're there in the room with him and he obviously means so much to you and your family. You told me all about him. It really sounded like a great man and a leader of your family, but that he just did that motion. And he just said, like, that's life. And it seems, I think if I was younger and I heard that, I might even be a little, cynical about it or really like, oh, of course, there's ups and downs. It doesn't mean anything to me. But I think as you get older and I think you're wise beyond your years shook,

like you realize there's, you're never going to get to this point where it's just like, oh, I'm good there. And I think I thought that when I was younger, that it's like you're building towards something and then you get there and you're like, I'm good. This is nice. Like, I'm here. And as you get older, I think, you know, grandfather knew this better than we do, but that nothing's ever going to stay the same like that. Like you got to, first of all, appreciate when it is going on those ups, like be there, be present and like love the hell out of it. And understand that like it's not going to last. Not that like just that life's not going to last because that's obviously, you know, part of it.

But just that moment, that stretch of time, those couple years, those couple months, whatever it's going to be like, that's not forever and you're going to really be hit by something. That's everyone. That's life. And life is about how you respond and can get through those really tough times. But it's also about how you enjoy and appreciate those great times. Yeah, the one thing I always remind myself and I had written on a posted note stuck to one of my computers back in the day, which was, you know, it might sound dark, but it's true. and you can see it both positive and negative. Nothing is forever.

So when the things are good, enjoy them and embrace them and value them, soak it all in. And when it's bad, just know this won't last forever. The Tao of Shook. Appreciate you, man. And appreciate everyone who reached out

and appreciated and enjoyed and listened to the first episode. I know it's different. It's going to continue to be different. and we're figuring this thing out, and I'm really excited about it. But I do really love all the people who listen and are going through it, too, and knowing that it's a tricky time, but it's also an exciting time. And I hear you out there, and it's really cool that so many of you are going to be along for this ride.

And that includes you, Shuk, going to be a big part of the show. And, you know, you've been on Sunday nights. You will continue to be, but you've, you've deserved kind of an upgrade for a while. So, like, yeah, we're going to be counting on you shook. And I'm glad to have you here on the second show. It's glad to have Steve Weiss here as well, who will be a big part of the show before he ran off to go host Insiders. Ian Rapport also helping us out with the holdout news.

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