NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Championship Weekend Recap: Bring on Brady and Mahomes

Episode Date: January 25, 2021

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal recap Championship Sunday starting with Tom Brady the Bucs vs Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers (3:30). Aaron Rodgers discusses how "final" this season felt (14:55) and Brady reflects on being the first to play in a Super Bowl at a home stadium. The heroes recap the AFC Championship game between the Chiefs and the Bills (32:12). Gregg argues that Mahomes is the best quarterback he's seen and the total package (38:30). We love an Andy Reid postgame chant (46:40).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and Brady puts it right on the spot Snap to Rogers looking right Lost it down the right side And he's got a man Done for the touchdown MZ yes Forcas left puts it into the air Artman standing in his 11 yard line

Drops it, muffs it loose ball Looks like it's recovered by Buffalo And he goes into the end zone Taiwan Jones comes up with it as a two yard line They give it off inside handoff goes to Darrell Williams Trucks the defender Diving touchdown! Kansas City, like an 18-wheeler,

busting through a bunch of hay bales. It is Darrell Williams on a six-yard touchdown run, and the Chiefs have their first lead of the game. The Sounds of Championship Sunday. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hads. I come to from a virtual room filled with some heroes, Mark Sessler,

Rosenthal, boys, we have a Super Bowl, and it involves Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes. What could you really complain about, honestly? I mean, Mark could find some things, I'm sure, right? I am not, I think this is a marvelous matchup, and it's pretty stunning that this is where we are. When we started all of this back in March, and Brady signed with the Bucks, I mean, this could have gone one of of a million different directions. I'm not surprised by my homes, but this is an incredible sports story. I think as we get older, it's like you feel even when we're not particularly invested, you know, these aren't our teams. You feel worse for the teams that lose. Like, I was

rooting for the bucks today. And yet that Packers game seems haunting to me. Because we've all just loved watching Aaron Rogers over the years. And I know we're going to get into it. But in the bills, too, you know, I'm sure a lot of people kind of went on that ride and, and you feel it more. That's just like, okay, yeah, the Super Bowl stories are great, but these two stories that just ended today, you feel for them. I felt a little cheated by, especially the first game today. We were overdue a classic, you know, of the playoffs, and that was all set up, and in Matt LaFleur, I don't want to pile on, but it's your fault. You took that classic from us, and then when the second game went sideways, and we realized that was our last chance before the

Super Bowl to have a classic? Oh, bearded boy. Oh, bearded boy. We're going to get into it. Packard Buck's pretty close. I know we're going to get into it, but it was pretty close to a classic. It was a great game. It just, you know, as you said, didn't quite stick the landing of like a classic. You're right now. That was not a classic by any, by anyone's estimation, right? It had a shot. It had a shot and then it did not, it did not happen. It was incredibly compelling for 57 minutes of game action. Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers. So I'm just saying I'm not going to complain about that one. All right. Well, I will. And that's where we're, that's how we're different.

We're all different. That's what makes the podcast fun. We're going to get it to both games played today. We'll talk a little bit, of course, about what comes next. Let's start with, yes, the first game. And it went down at Lambeau Field. And, man, Tom Brady did it again. Here's the snap of an end around to Godwin.

Godwin running to the three. He's got the first down. Across the 40, Bucks are going to win this football game. Tampa Bay Buccaneers with a reverse play. Who would have guessed? Byron Lefwich and Bruce Ariens dial up the right play. Godwin, our leading receiver, he robs for the first down. And the Buccaneers have a fresh set with 27 seconds left.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going to be the first team ever to host a Super Bowl. The Bucs have punched their ticket to Super Bowl 55. Dagger WFUS with the call yes, that end around sealed it for the Bucks

the big game to run out the clock of a 31-26 win for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers over the Green Bay Packers in the NFC championship game

the Bucks advanced to their first Super Bowl since way back in the 2002 season when Tony Dunj and Brad Johnson and Warren Sapp roamed the gridiron. John Gurdon and Tony Dungy wishes he was going there. Excuse me, John Gruden, you're right.

It was a long time ago, as I said. But this time it was a Bucks team led by Tom Brady. And Greg, Tom Brady wasn't perfect in this game. He threw three touchdown passes, threw for 280 yards, but he also threw three interceptions and gave Green Bay every chance to get back into this game when it seemed like it was going to be a blowout at a certain point.

But at the end of the day, the Tampa Bay defense stiffened up. And when Tom Brady was given the chance to seal the game. And that is a big talking point, obviously. Why did he get this opportunity? And Matt LaFleys' decision-making, Brady and the Bucs offense closed it out. And now they're going to the Super Bowl. I know a very James Winston line there in the box score, like 280, 3 and 3, with like 31 points.

But I think it goes to show every part of the Bucks contributed in this game. Godwin, who I've long thought is one of the most underrated players, not has been his best year. Man, he showed up today. He might have been their MVP, so many big plays. The defensive line, you know, Barrett and Vita Vea and Jason Pier, Paul, where such difference maker, Whitehead forces a couple, you know, fumbles. and you said it like, we take it for granted that Brady was throwing there when they got the

pass interference call against the Bucks that, I mean, against the Packers that pretty much put the game away. But that kind of went with the rest of the game. Like Bruce Ariens was going for it. He was not going to run the ball in that situation. I don't think he would have kicked field goals in the same situation that Matt LaFleur did. And he's going for it on fourth and three to end the first half with 13 seconds to go. That was one of the biggest plays of the game. They kept the ball. and then they hit a touchdown the next play. The fortune favors the bold. And, you know, Lafleur and the Packers,

I think they had the better quarterback today, but they did not have the better team. Right. And it's, you know, the field goal is because of the nature of football, it was massively pivotal to decide to kick that field goal with two in a few seconds, two minutes and a few seconds left. And I guess to me, I'm just stunned by the more global decision. to put the ball in the hands of Tom Brady because you're saying you somewhat trust the idea

that Mike Patton's defense is going to slow this Bucks team down versus going for it with Aaron Rogers, one of the best quarterbacks we've ever witnessed in our life. I mean, you know, it's not just those mistakes, though, because I thought that the sequence before halftime where you get the Sean Murphy bunting interception of Aaron Rogers that turned into the 39-yard Scotty Miller touchdown, where afterwards, I mean, LaFleur, who's while is answering questions about his own issues, basically called out Mike Petten and said it was man coverage. Definitely not the right call for that situation.

You've got to be guarding against the edges. You've got to be guarding against the end zone. And you got him one-on-one, Scotty Miller, who's in there for Antonio Brown, of all things. So you talk about different people stepping up. And I love the way the Packers were running the ball in the second quarter. And then you come out at halftime right after that terrible sequence to end the half, and you have the Aaron Jones fumble and it turns into another buck's touchdown. That's essentially sort of a 28 point swing if you felt confident that Green Bay could have

potentially scored touchdowns on those drives. I mean, that's huge. The Mike Petton decision not to give the safety in one and man coverage help, that evoked memories of what Greg Williams did to get fired for the Jets against the Raiders. Just a lapse at the end of a half or at the end of a game that just cannot happen. It was too risky a play call for that junk. or they got burned for it. And, you know, that you mentioned it.

And it was fourth and goal at the Tampa Bay eight yard line. It was 31, 23. The Packers had a chance to score a touchdown, convert the two-point conversion, and get this game to 31 with two minutes to go. This is what I talk about when I say this is why I felt as a fan. It was taken from us because that's drama. Aaron Rogers on the field, fourth and goal at the eight with a game on the line and you trot out Mason Crosby for a 26-yard field goal.

And Matt Lafleur, after the game, said he regrets it. But he didn't regret it because he thought he made the wrong decision. I think some people were parsing his words. He regretted that it didn't work out. And whenever something doesn't work out, I regret it. But the truth of the matter is he did. And Greg, you tweeted the same thing I did right in the moment, which was in that moment. And this is why when the stage is like this.

And we saw it with Stefanski last week, too. Sometimes these coaches get tense. You go with, I'm going to trust my defense with essentially four timeouts because you got the two-minute warning and then the three timeouts to get me the stop and get the ball back to score another touchdown over Aaron Rogers on a fourth in goal spot. And that is very hard to wrap your head around after the game. Aaron Rogers, as you might expect, was asked about Matt LaFleure's decision to pull the offense off the field and kick the field goal to get. get it to five points or two minutes to play. Aaron, did you agree with the decision to kick it there on fourth down? Well, I didn't have a decision on that one.

Yeah, that wasn't my decision. I understand thinking above two minutes with all of our timeouts, but, yeah, there wasn't my decision. That's as far as Rogers can go. without actually throwing his head coach under the bus. Yeah, it's an impossible question to answer. He had another telling answer when they asked about the third down, though, too, which is that he thought he might have had a chance to get it in running,

maybe he should have run it, and that he thought he might have had, you know, four downs there. Now, you're right about the moment. And I think Lefleur really erred in not going for it in the first half, too, where they were closer. And I don't think it was the moment that got to Aaron Rogers, but he made two straight bad decisions on second and third down. I thought there was a play to be made on second down,

which you kind of forget. And he ends up throwing it. He had a lane to run there. And I would love to see a different angle. They never really showed it to us. We'll be able to see it when Game Pass puts it up from the overhead view of like how much room he had in front of them to run on that down. Come on, Fox.

We needed that angle. We never got it. It was a little, you know, it was a little indecisive on both of those. plays where he didn't have anyone right around it. I mean, he's a great player, but those are just two massive plays in an otherwise really good game out of him. And I think about Devante Adams essentially dropping the touchdown on first down in the first half on the goal line. They were the best team in the NFL in goal to go situations. There were 24 for 25 coming into this game. And

they had two situations in this one where they didn't get it done. So it bothers me that LaFleur did that. But you have to put it on them on the players too, not executing leading up to that. Well, and it was three straight incompletions to Devante Adams on that first drive that forced them to kick a field goal from the six. And I, like watching some, another angle of that chance to run on third down, I really think that's important what Aaron Rogers said, because at his mind, you'd have to imagine he viewed it his fourth down territory. And if anything, had he taken off, he could have gotten far enough where I think you'd have to

change the idea to kick a field goal there. If it's, you know, from the two or something, maybe LaFleur goes in a different direction. It's just an incredibly unfortunate. I mean, listening to Aaron Rogers, who is, he's going to tell you how he feels, even if he doesn't put it into words. I mean, the weight of the entire season just comes down to that moment, and it's been such a long journey. And this is someone who thought they'd be in the Super Bowl with an MVP, you know, season taking on Mahomes. And instead, a really bizarre coaching decision changes everything for hundreds of people attached to that organization. To be fair, I think we should point out that Aaron Rogers and the Packers' offense,

they're an offensive team, got the ball three times in the fourth quarter. Patton's defense got them three interceptions. They went three and out, three and out field goal. And so it was a lot. You know, it was like, I don't think any one thing is to blame, but it's like they had their chances. I think it's the toughest loss of Aaron Rogers' career. Well, maybe they're been in 14, 12. 14-12 in the Seahawks in the NFC title game six or seven years ago.

That is one of the worst losses I've ever seen any team suffer through. And I know when you were 15 and one, you got beat by the Giants that year after they won the Super Bowl. In the first half of that game ended the exact same way to Hail Mary to Hakeem Nick. But I think there was something extra on this one that makes it hurt more. The fact that he had all this drama around him, that he was coming off by his standards a down season or two, that the Jordan love move happened, that he was kind of in the media crosshairs about his future. And then he comes out and he plays, it gives, you know, this is one of the best quarterback seasons you'll ever see. He's going to win MVP, get home field

advantage. And now all you got to do is get past Tom Brady in your building to get to the Super Bowl and have the storybook ending for that not to work out for it to end the way it did where the frustration of being pulled off the field and not getting back on the field. And this leads to, and we're going to get to the bucks right after this, but I think this is important because this is what people are going to be talking about. After the game, Rogers is now musing about the future and what comes next after the deep disappointment of Sunday. A lot of guys' futures that are, you know, uncertain, you know, myself included.

That's what's sad about it most. Getting this far, obviously, it's going to be an end to it at some point, whether we may get past this one or not, but just the uncertainty is tough and the finality of it all. And Mark, I think he, if you ask me, there's no way he doesn't come back next year and people are reading too much into the emotions right after a game. But when he says that, you know, he doesn't know what happens next for him, it's because there is a first-round-pick quarterback on the roster.

So that throws in a little bit of mystery to all this. your thoughts on Rogers' mindset after the game? Yeah, because I think, number one, I mean, Rogers in the summer was so refreshingly honest about the fact that look at, no matter what I achieve or have achieved, when you've drafted first round quarterback, they're going to want to see him at some point.

So he already knew then that he may have a truncated finish with the Packers. But tonight, I think it's what you get from a lot of players when you suffer a grisly loss. It's like, I need time to think about this. I need time to think about the future. And he mentioned, you know, that there are a lot of players on that team with, I think, questionable futures. I mean, they have two pass rushers with a $38 million combined price tag cap hit next year.

And I mean, you know, for me, it's like this is the worst Rogers loss. And I, the Seattle one, I mean, you could say punch by punch, but we're guys, right? And so suddenly you think about where you were seven years ago and the worst thing that happened to you, but you're younger, you have time to get over it or that Giants loss from there 15 and 1. He had decades and eons to get over it and to come back. But now it's like, you're getting up there in age. And who knows better than Aaron Rogers, how tough it is to get back to this point. Yeah, I agree with everything both of you said.

I do think he is Aaron Rogers. So I give him the credit that he is in control enough, even when he's emotional, to have a point to that. Now, is the point you're right, Dan, just he's kind of thrown out there, look, hey, they put me in this situation. You never know if I'm going to be back? or is it I've got in the back of my mind, I'm going to need something to be happy about coming back. I think either it could be possible. You know,

he could look at it like I don't want to go into next year in some situation where it's going to be, like I almost know it's going to be my last year unless I win the MVP here because you're going to want to play love. So, hey, maybe give me some more guaranteeing money. It'd be hard to imagine him saying like trade me. I see all these trade stuff popping up. And that seems a little premature, especially because I got to imagine the Packers will do everything they possibly can to make sure that he's not going anywhere.

And David Bacdiar, he's not going anywhere. He just signed a huge deal and plenty of other great Packers players that he loves playing with aren't going anywhere. But is there a little bit of you that maybe if you're Aaron Rogers, you're looking across the way at Tom Brady, who, you know, two years ago no one would have thought that would happen. And you've got a fresh start and you get to, you're in control of your, I guess your legacy in a different way and not under the Packers umbrella. It feels different to me, though, because I think one of the sins of the end of the Brady era in New England is that they didn't grasp the urgency. And they left him on the bottom. It never ended. They thought the end was four Super Bowls ago.

Right. But like by the end of the, it was an easy decision for Tom to leave because his offense around him was not good. He didn't have the weapons. he felt like he was not going to be able to get over the hump. I think Green Bay's done an excellent job the last two years with Matt LaFleurr of building up an awesome ecosystem around Rodgers and a great offense. And, you know, they got this far. They got, they, you know, had a chance to tie the game late in the fourth quarter of the

NNC title game. How frustrating it must be to once again not be able to get over the hump. But like the idea of Tom Brady needing to go somewhere else to be better set up or better appreciated, I think they're still right there. All I'm saying is, like, the idea that this is, is like 100% not a possibility. I mean, the NFL is evolving and changing and players have more say in power than ever before.

And I think that there is a percentage chance that he's somewhere else next year based on who he is. Right, give me the percentage. Give it to me. I'd give it as a 9% chance. Okay. But by the way, that's the information we have. That can grow and grow.

I'm not saying it stays there. Right now it's at 9. On the Tampa Bay side, let's give the bucks they're due now. Because what they were able to do is a wildcard team here, ripped through the NFC with three straight road wins, including this game, again, and this kind of ties back to the Rogers point.

This Packers' offense has been so awesome. Just a buzzsaw that went through teams until they dealt with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And it was a theme earlier in the season as well. But in this game, Devin White, the superstar of last week's win, 15 tackles and a fumble recovery. Shaq Barrett blows up in this game with three sacks, two tackles for lost, four QB hits.

Jason Pierre Paul. He also has multi, he has two sacks, two tackles for loss, two QB hits. They did exactly what we talked about, Greg, entering this game where they needed this pass rush, which on paper is rock solid, to then actually do it and pile up the hurries and make Aaron Rogers uncomfortable. And they did that. That was, I think, the key to the game, the front seven performance by Tampa Bay. I agree with you. I think that was the difference because you look at that the money, Green Bay is paying up front, they did not get enough pressure on Brady.

And then you look at what Tampa Bay did. And I've been kind of getting on this pass rush for being more name than game for a lot of this year. Bucks fans know they haven't not been the same since Vita Vaya lost. And I know Vaya didn't show up in the stat sheet, but I would watch them. They only brought him in on third down passing situations. And, you know, I'm not like a coaching offensive line guru. But he was getting push.

And those were the plays that Barrett was making plays. Those were the plays that JPP was making plays. So I don't know if that's all VA or they all just sort of balled out. But I know Mark was having a tough time watching his boy, Billy Turner. You know, we were on Sky Sports. Neil asked us for an X Factor of the game. I don't know. Maybe X Factor could be like bad X Factor.

And Mark goes, like, super hipster, football hipster tape dog guy and goes Billy Turner. And then Turner's just getting beat up all day by his own nemes style, they call him. Yeah, his old nemesis, Jack Barrett. You know, and as I mentioned, like it was T.J. Lang, the former Packers Lyman, who noted that Turner had in the last playoff game basically gone into a three-point stance on every run play, but a two-point stance on every pass play. And it was kind of a tell. And I just wondered if maybe they would pick up on that. And I think it was just massive. It was also just JPP overpowering someone who's not David Pactiari.

I think it's one of the biggest absences in this game was Boktiari's not being there for them. Yeah, there wasn't much separating these two teams. I don't think it was those little goal line plays. It was the pass. You didn't like look at, you didn't watch this stand and think like, I don't know, the Packers didn't show up or something. What was it? 2810, right? And it felt over.

And then Greengate goes right down the field, gets the touchdown, and they get the interception, I believe, and go back down the field again. And it felt like the momentum and the surge was there. That's what surprised me the most. When they got that stuff, finally, especially the final Brady interception. And you thought, okay, now they're really setting up Aaron Rogers to march down the field and take control into Tampa Bay's credit. They just didn't let it happen, but it'll be hard.

You know, my dad famously called Matt LaFleur the bearded boy. And, you know, winning in the championship, conference championship weekend, that's man's work. I mean, that's when you need to have the onions and the belief in your team. You have to learn from guys like Andy Reed. If Andy Reed can trust Chad Henney with his season in the line, you need to trust Aaron Rogers. That's what I'll remember about this game.

and maybe this whole playoff run. Because the Packers team, while everyone else, for the most part, was in on the bills, I really like this idea of the Aaron Rogers' full-on revenge season, that caps not just with the league MVP, but going to the Super Bowl

and really sticking it to his team for not showing faith in him by taking Jordan Love, and now that's out the window. Tom Brady instead goes back to the Super Bowl. A couple crazy Tom Brady stats, his 10th Super Bowl appearance now, the Brady.

That's double the next closest guy. which was Elway. And this will be his third Super Bowl appearances. This is all from the great people at NFL Media Research, Jeff Greenholtz's team. This will be Brady's third Super Bowl appearance at age 40 or older. Only 11 other quarterbacks have made three Super Bowls in their entire careers. And he has now made it in three of his four age 40 seasons and on a new team

and the extra nugget that I love, Greg, that I didn't even know it was a thing until you brought it up on our TV show. on Friday. There are Patriots fans that are smarting tonight. Beyond Bill Pelcheck, who's dying right now, other Patriots fans upset, the Tommy Boy is doing it for somebody else. And then I thought about it some more. It's like, what if Derek Jeter went to the Dodgers and did this? I guess that would bother me a little bit. So I understand it. But I guess it depends on your rooting interest, and now we're like way down the rabbit hole here. But you have to accept then that there's, I think, even more Patriots fans and I was, you know, texting many of them that are lovingness and

are, you know, living and dying with these bucks. Not like if it was the Pats, but are enjoying the hell out of this ride because... Sounds like a bandwagon, by the way, but if you're used to that. It's not like, it's not like, it's not the same, but like, why would you not enjoy watching this great player who gave you so much joy do something like that? Can I offer a reason why? Right. Because, and you you're right. We don't need to go down the rabbit hole too much. But because Brady has now offered definitive proof that the Patriots, if they just would have done better housekeeping inside their building, could have had him for another few years and

continued as a Super Bowl contended. Sure, but they could. They hit the wall, money-wise. I mean, you can run the team better, draft better, spend your money better, and maybe you could have gotten another three or four years of Tom Brady. Instead, you say goodbye, and he goes to the Super Bowl, somebody else. I think the relationships need to end at some point. And like this is this idea that Belichick is steaming behind the scenes, there's literally no proof to this at all. This is a talk radio topic.

Imagine if the Jets gave you six Super Bowls like in the last 20 years. Like you would feel so satisfied that you would be grateful to this person. And you just like football too. I mean, that's part of it. Obviously, I'm attached to Brady. But you love watching, I love watching history. and yeah he did not play you know people are like oh brady's getting a little too much credit again it's like i get it he threw three interceptions in this game like in two two were pretty much on him one one not so much um

the last one i'm not going to kill him for but like he also made some great reads you know he had some gems in this game he he knew exactly like where to go when to go his arm looks amazing and he's the one you know who got them here and it's it's just remarkable i don't know it's remarkable it's remarkable i mean you're talking like he's he's won as many nfc championships as aaron rogers and drew breese have i mean it's not easy to do it's not easy to do you guys want to hear from brady before we move on please to all go on the road and win a you know another road playoff game is it just a great achievement and uh you know now home super bowl for the first time in nfl history i think puts a lot of cool things in perspective anytime you're the first time doing something it's usually a pretty

good thing so now we just got to go uh you know have a great two weeks prepare for whoever it is and you know be ready to go and he looks better than all of us too mark here's the thing though if you're the field goal is going to be the thing everyone talks about forever two of those brady interceptions the packers took the ball and went to combine negative five yards off six plays You've got six points off of three, Brady interceptions. If you knew coming into this game that he was going to throw those three passes, I would have predicted a Packers route. Right.

And I would have predicted if the Packers get eight points there at the end. Yes, we get the classic game, Dan. But I would have predicted Tyler Johnson catching some crazy pass on the sideline to set up Ryan's suckup for a game-winning field goal. And that's, you know, probably how it would end. Yeah, I don't doubt it. After all these years, I don't doubt it at all. Mark, come on Belichick's dying. I simply, I, like, I know that you at this point, you're clinging to anything you can.

It's a, like, I find that to be utterly absurd. Why is it, you know, it's the funny part that, that all you Belichick soldiers out there don't even entertain it as a possibility. No, I entertain it. I let's answer the question for me. I entertained it, you know. It's like, is he that small? of a person. I think it's the people mostly covering Belichick that

veer towards the smallness. I mean, Belichick is competitive. He probably hates seen, like, he doesn't want to be tagged as like the reason the Patriots failed this season. But, I mean, they achieve more together than any coach and player. Give me a break here. Will you allow me this then? I don't know. I mean, I have

no say it. Of course I'll allow it. You just do whatever you want. So say it. Will you, I got him worked up. Will you allow me this then, Mark, that he might think, man, I wish. I wish I would have handled the end of this a little better because obviously this guy could have taken me to the big game. They won't a Super Bowl two years ago.

I mean, I don't know how much better you handled the end. Like, it needed to come to a close. It just did. It didn't have to. They couldn't even pay Brady what you should do that. Why didn't it have to end? What does that mean? Because they couldn't even pay Brady what they needed to with their cap situation.

Like, I just think it like, maybe I could have spent better. Maybe I could have drafted better. it didn't have to be. I didn't have to be watching. Yeah, but you don't spend that money than some of those Super Bowl wins, which were all so close, don't become reality. He's made four out of the last six, by the way.

It did have to, at some point, you know, not enough enough, but like you can be satisfied with what you got. I am. They don't need to win anymore. The defense for us. You guys got it. Good job. You'll get your paycheck on the mail. You mentioned since age 40, if you back it up to 37, he's made, you know, four out of six Super Bowls. That's just crazy.

Someone tweeted us at this. Could you now divide his career into thirds and they're all Hall of Fame careers? I mean, just since 35, he's kind of had a Hall of Fame career now. That is. I mean, if you want to, I think that the divide the career in half. Half is good. And they're both Hall of Fame.

That to me is what makes him the goat, because I love that perspective. Divide it by thirds? That's a wild thought. Now we're getting into it. Kurt Warner's in. his last third is is there with Kurt Warner's maybe. I don't know. I mean, Tony

Romo said today, he said the Patrick Holmes is a hall favor if he retired today. So maybe the idea of breaking his career into a seven-year chunks he could do. Brady's done that three times at least. So I had no problem to give him a third hall of free entry.

So it's the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who come out of the NFC. Who will they face in Tampa? In Tampa, the Bucks in Tampa. Now, COVID makes it weird, of course, because you're not going to have a full house. Good job at the NFL. It's going to be some health care workers, 7,500, in fact, in the stands at Raymond James Stadium for the Super Bowl.

For the first time in NFL history, the team in the Super Bowl is playing in their own building. That's very wild. Like one little West note, I mean, if there has been one field that Wes and I in unified fashion have ripped on this show forever because of it, no, we want to deal with the daytime sunlight. It's fine at night. It's fine at now. I know, but I'm just saying it's hilarious to me that this is the field where this is occurring. But I'm sure it will look gallant in the evening. Well, I guess when you think about it, it's on the East Coast, obviously.

So 618 kickoff, the sun will be down by then. So that will help us. Now, you can't do anything about the goofy pirate ship. Or the uniform matchup, which we'll get to. But I just find that to be an absurdity. So there are some lingering issues. Maybe you can just drop a big tarp on that dopey pirate ship. and then we can get about playing some championship football.

All right, there we go. Sorry, Bucksmanz. Enjoy the moment. You deserve it. It's been a long time. All right. Let's get to the AFC. You're going to throw a slant caught.

35-yard line. Shoot move. Tyree kill, 45, 50-yard line. Touch it back. Look out. 40. 35, 30. Cheetah in full speed.

10 to the five-yard line. Do play impress the Cheetah will run you all the way around the earth. It's a 71. Yard pass play to the Cheetah on a quick slant. Mitch Holtes, who said Cheetah about 47 times there during that call. W.D.A.F. Yes, it didn't go for a touchdown, but that 70-yard gain by Tyree Kell felt like the dividing point where the chiefs had completely taken over and were heading back to the Super Bowl.

And that's exactly what they ended up doing with a 38 to 24 win over the Buffalo Bills at Arrowhead Stadium. And Mark, the bills, I mean, you couldn't have asked for a better start. They go down the field, they kick a field goal. Then you have a huge special teams gath by McColl Hardman that sets up a quick touchdown. You miss the PAT, and it turns out that that missed PAT was kind of the beginning of the end, because a lot of things started going wrong for the bills from that point onward. Yeah, and we've learned that early point advantages over Kansas City and the playoffs mean next to nothing, but it was a gift in a fortunate start for Buffalo.

And it's, I guess, you know, one of the shames of this weekend is that both games, to me, have really similar unnerving issues by the losing team because I find myself almost equally annoyed that Buffalo kicked a field goal from the Kansas City 2. And then on the following drive kicked a field goal from the Kansas City 8 when it was so crystal clear to every human being watching it, including our children who are, you know, they've just learned basic human skills at this point, that you are dealing with a team that is essentially unstoppable, that as two unstoppable players, not even named Patrick Mahomes, that they were struggling to even vaguely contain, you have got to put every ounce of aggression into

these opportunities when you get into the red zone. And I thought they just played it way too safe. It's just, to me, that was it. It's like the chief, we know what the chiefs are. They're so dominant that they've become normalized and we take them for granted. I'm like watching Travis Kelsey and Tyreek Hill do things that I've never watched a, you know, a combo of two players on an offense ever do. And I'm just like, I find myself, and this is the fault of me, almost exhausted and bored with them because it's like watching, like growing up, I'd go to the video arcade and I hated video games, but I'd watch like my one friend kick butt on the video on like some sort of like 1980s game. It's like, I guess I'm drawing pleasure out of seeing him be great.

I mean, I don't know what it was. That was a ridiculous tangent. But it's like if you're the bills, you've got to storm that house and take it over. And I thought they played real cautious. It stunned me. Well, I think it's a defensive coach not quite believing that the defense that his executive of the year buddy, Brandon Bean, and him have built up for four years, weren't going to get stops. You know, he couldn't, he wasn't going to believe it, you know. They didn't get any stops. The chiefs, the chiefs, Mahomes has only been stopped once in these two playoff games

while he's on the field. And that was on the first drive of this game when Tyree Kill dropped what might have been the best pass Mahomes made the whole day. Like an absolutely ridiculous would have been a 45-yarder that he went back shoulder on. And that was it. They weren't going to get any stops. I'm with you. They played it too safe.

But in this game, I don't think it would have mattered because I don't think this game was close like the other where you couldn't separate them. There was a big separation. One team couldn't throw the ball consistently and the other team had Mahomes. One team was clearly better. It was the Chiefs. And I'm not going to say they Ropa doped us all because I think all of us that follow this team closely and follow. our league closely always thought there was a chance that the chiefs would know when to turn it on because they're that special. They're like those mid-90s Michael Jordan Bulls teams where sometimes

it would feel like they were doing just enough to win. And then when they really needed to step up, all of a sudden there's vintage MJ and, you know, Dennis Rodman is diving into the stands for a loose ball and Scotty Pippen is just filling up the box score. And it's like, oh, they were always this team. They were just in hibernation. That's what it felt like watching this game. But like to Mark's point, I love Sean McDermott. He's done such a great job there. I have him maybe in my top two for coach of the year if you're putting together that list. And yet it felt like he didn't know the team he was up against. I just didn't understand that. I feel like there should never be a game when you're against the Chiefs, especially in the playoffs, when you have, as Marks said,

a 20-yard field goal late in the first half and a 27-yard field goal edging toward the end of the third quarter. You have Josh Allen. That's the thing. You have Josh Allen and you have a defense that you're proud of and they just played really well the week before against Baltimore, but it's a whole different ball game against the Chiefs, especially when you have no idea how to cover Travis Kelsey every time you need a third down stop. You needed to score, score, so not to grasp that basic thing. I know it's easy for Bozos like us to oversimplify it, but sometimes like the simple explanation is the right one, which was the bills played the game like they had a defense that could stop the Chiefs, but they don't, because nobody really does, at least not on this stage.

Yeah, and I think, like, you know, it was a game where Stefan Diggs had like 12 yards at half or something and 28 deep in the game. And they just never, this wasn't the, this wasn't the pristine Bill's offense that we've been used to. And I really, all playoffs. You're right. You're right. And it's, it's, I guess that's, you know, these losses, they give you a lot to think about as your team building and thinking about next season. but Emmanuel Aco, I thought, had this incredible stat here that Patrick Mahomes will play in two Super Bowls before ever losing an NFL game by more than one possession. That's just stupid.

I mean, he's the greatest. That's, I, I, um, you don't want to be a prisoner of the moment, but I, I don't feel like I am because I said it like five games into his career. Like I get it. There's accomplishments and people try to do all this parsing. Aaron Rogers is the most skilled player, but, you know, Tom Brady's the goat because he's the most accomplished, like, okay, I get all that. Mahomes is just like the best at playing quarterback that I've seen. He's only played, you know, he's only played three years, but he's the best total package. And I think that, and that makes sense because players generally get better. So the new generations guys are probably going to be better than the ones before. But the difference this year is his mind, which has always been good.

but now they really are, they really are so patient, where you mentioned that Kelsey just racking up those seven-yard, 10-yard throws. I think that's the thing is Mahomes, like Rogers was this year, that's how he won his MVP, just took what they were giving him. And then he'll have that drive where you get a couple free rushers, you get a little cute if you're Leslie Frazier and actually send something at him. You get a couple free rushers at him. And he just calmly, like, gets out of the way and makes a couple ridiculous throws. And then he just beats. you a different way. He's just, I don't know, he's the best I've seen. I think it's the best three-year run for a quarterback since Favre 95, 96, 97 when he was just out of his mind winning

MVP's winning Super Bowls. I actually have a good tweet here from the undefeated. Since 2018, Mahomes has 431 touchdown passes, almost 16,000 passing yards. He's been an all pro three times. He's won the league MVP. He's won the Super Bowl MVP. He's won a Super Bowl championship. And now he's been to the Super Bowl two of the last three years. And, oh, by the way, the one year he didn't go was that great AFC title game against the Patriots, where he just went bonkers and did everything he could and didn't get a chance to get on the field in overtime. Otherwise, he would have been in the Super Bowl all three years. This is heady stuff. It is. I mean, one thing I'd be concerned about heading into the Super Bowl just to monitor that I thought that Eric Fisher injury at the end,

those are the little things that like we don't really think about like coming out of the game but i mean we just talked about what happened to the packers with their left tackle their star left tackle out of the lineup it's just something to work to monitor because they were already down so their tackle situation was already a hot mess but you kind of look at the chiefs and it's like i guess that will matter but the way that gregg you mentioned that um patrick mahomes is evading what would be crushing sacks in a playoff game for another quarterback weren't and they you know frankly it's like we go we don't talk about about their defense a whole lot, but Tyra Matthew made an incredible playing this game, like

heat-seeking Allen and force him into an intentional grounding. I mean, two weeks in a row, Honey Badger has been playing out of his mind. And, you know, some of their past rushing that they used to really create a tough, I think, situation and environment for Josh Allen, threw him off his game pretty early. Yeah, I think their defense has played their best two games maybe of the year, considering the opponents, considering they played two top five or six offenses. You know, the bills, you know, as good in offense as they played all year. I mean, Romo was on it. They were good in man coverage. Spagnolo sent a lot of heat, you know, more than anyone this weekend. He was the most aggressive. You know, Bowles really wasn't after

they lost their safety. It wasn't the typical Bucks attack. And they got both, right? They got to them a lot. And that's sort of what I mean about the difference maybe right now between Mahomes and Josh Allen is you think about there was a segment late third quarter to the fourth where they did finally get heat on Alan. He makes some mistakes. He, you know, his four sacks took 53 yards up. Whereas you saw Mahomes, seeing exactly where the Blitz was going to come, changing the play, like he's Rogers or Brady, except he's only 26 years old, getting it protected up and taking the easy play. Whereas I don't think Alan, you know, and you wouldn't expect it, is quite there in his third year. And they heated him up pretty good. They averaged under five yards per pass play

for the second straight week. So that's like Gabbard zone stuff. The past game for the bills, and they're kind of an all-pass team, kind of hit a brick wall these last two weeks. Yeah, it's, I would, you know, you try to make sense of teams entering the playoffs and the bills, when they were just going off on teams

and running teams out of the building in December, they felt like they were peaking at the right time, but it turned out they did peak at the end of the regular season, and they needed Josh Allen, and the bill's offense needed to deliver, you know, their masterpiece to get to the Super Bowl, as it turns out. And they just kind of do it. And part of the reason why is because, and Romo said it well on the telecast, the only way to beat the Chiefs is Travis Kelsey or Tyree Kill, one of those guys can beat you and you can survive it.

But if they both are sticking it to you in the same game, your chances of winning are almost nil. and I just did the quick math here. Hill and Kelsey combined for 22 catches on 26 targets for 290 yards and two touchdowns. Well, that's crazy. And they did, I think it was over 200 last week. And, you know, I think we all feel for the Bills fans because they're a special fan base. You know, it's an ugly Sunday. But I had a couple of them being like, oh, I get what you were saying last week that like, even though the chiefs are totally fun to watch.

and I love Tony Romo. Tony Romo gushing over Travis Kelsey when he's frying your team and ending your season is not a lot of fun for the viewer. So it's like, look at, like, I mean, we all enjoy the Chiefs until you're dealing with the Chiefs with your favorite team. And then it's like, this is ugly. This doesn't work. Yeah, it's not like the bills came out of this game thinking we're right there.

You know, we're going to get the next year. You come out of this game thinking, oh, man, is this? going to be, you know, to use the Bulls as an analogy, but going back to the 80s, this is going to be the Detroit Pistons for us, where we're just going to get our ass kick for a few years. Are we ever going to get over the hump? Because it felt like the Chiefs were just a far better team and a team that's just not going away anytime soon. It's bad news for everybody in the AFC, including our team's Mark, and everybody else. Or are we the Knicks and the Chiefs are the Bulls? And unless Patrick Homes took a year off to go play

minor league baseball, not totally a strong. stretch, you know? Now you're on it. We are. Yeah. They weren't close to me. They were close this year. They were close. You hope you're the bulls in the 80s getting past the Pistons. You worry deep down that you're the 90s nicks that never get over the Jordan Bulls. You worry about that. It is so hard. I mean, we don't even need to get there because they're not even, they got to go win the Super Bowl first.

But man, it is hard. You know, we've seen how hard it is to keep winning. They weren't close today. I think they had reason to come into this game with plenty of confidence, not just because they were the number one team and weighted DVOA, but, you know, it's like, what more can you do in the, in the 18 games leading up to this than what they did? I guess their defense could have been a little more consistent throughout the course of the season. They did not, they did not show up today. And maybe you're right, maybe the chiefs just have this championship mentality, but it is crazy that this is the game where they finally won by two scores. It's like, it wasn't the Falcon. Like, it could have been

three scores this was like they dominated the bills more as much or more than you know the falcons or the dolphins or the panthers or any of these teams that they played down the stretch they they just put it on them it's funny that and the chiefs of course they they went to the super bowl um very early on what were they in super bowl four or something i can't remember exactly they were in a couple right they were in 269 they won the year after the jets and then they didn't go all those years 50 years until last year. Now they're in twice, back-to-back years. And Andy Reid, last year it was all kind of, it was the fun, feel-good story of Andy Reid, finally getting over the hump and winning that Super Bowl and enjoying the perks of that

and being the love affair between Chiefs fans and Reed. Now it almost felt just normalized hearing Angie Reed celebrating again on a riser. Let's listen to. I still, he's still a guy I love Bob. I love him rooting for. He's just a good dude and a great coach. I mean, he's a great coach. I think he's also a lesson for if you're smarting tonight over a boy with a beard or

Sean McDermott and some of their decisions. Andy Reid lost a bunch of NFC title games early on. And Andy Reid was dog, like had Twitter been Twitter way back when? I mean, Andy Reed and his time, you know, like two minute warning time decisions. would have been driving people nuts. I mean, he's grown and evolved and suddenly you get Patrick Mahomes, and you're like, oh, Bill Belichick, I know what it's like to have, like, one of the greatest quarterbacks running the show with me now.

Twitter was around for, like, the end of that Eagles run, and you're right. I mean, they, you know, and I'm sure part of it, killing him for some of the clock management in the two minutes. It's great. Like, the bills, you know, we didn't mention, like, they stole a possession in the first half with the punt return. They stole a possession with the onside kick, and they, and they stole a possession because they finished out the first half.

When the Chiefs got the ball back right at the end, it had been 10 possessions to 7. Like the bills had somehow stolen three possessions and they were still down two touchdowns. I mean, that is as big a, it's just outrageous. I don't know what to say. Yeah. And they needed a Stefan Diggs to have a monster game.

We talked about Bill Barnwell, the idea that somebody else had a step up. Was it finally the John Smoke Brown show? Nah, again, John Brown was, quiet. Cole Beasley did his Cole Beasley stuff. And the running game just wasn't there. It never really was all season, but the only running they got was from Josh Allen, who had 88 yards of the ground. So Bill's fans, obviously bitter disappointment whenever you can get this far and they get turned back, but you're still feeling very good about the future. And cheese fans,

this is just like, this is the magical time right now. If you're a cheese fan, you know it. You waited, you earned it because you were on the pain rankings. You knew what it was like to suffer for decades. to get closed, to get turned away, to have middling teams, to have to root for Tyler Figpen on Sundays. And now you have, you know, maybe Greg was right all those years ago. Maybe you have truly the one at quarterback. And this is just the beginning of what's going to be a long run, back-to-back Super Bowls.

Pretty wild stuff. And I don't know about you guys. I like the chances of Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs going back-to-back. I think it's going to be a great game. And we're going to be digging into that over two weeks. But right off the bat, your initial thoughts about this matchup? Bucks Chiefs. I'm torn because it's like I kind of want to root for the Bucks as a Brady, but just picking against Mahomes at this point, and I love

watching him feels silly. I think the Bucks have a real chance, and I do think Eric Fisher having that Achilles injury, and when they announce Achilles and reads over there talking, you know, you can assume the worst and hope to be to be pleasantly surprised. You know, that that helps. I think that gives the buck. I mean, they're on backup tackles at both spot. That gives the bucks a chance. I do think the bucks are more complete than any other team in this playoff field, you know, including the Chiefs. I think they can win different types of ways. They had a great day returning the ball today. So I give them a pretty good chance. I'm with you and I think that you've got a coach in Bruce Ariens whose, his DNA is aggressive. Tom

Brady's DNA is aggressive. And so you're not going to probably run into these same. scenarios that younger coaches, I think, fell for today and got in their own way. And that's not going to be the case there. And, I mean, honestly, you look at the bucks and the way they're built and say, well, had they lost today? Maybe next year is their Super Bowl year because almost everyone is coming back. I mean, there's no reason to think they couldn't be just as dangerous. They won this game without Antonio Brown.

I'm just, I think it's going to be a great one. And for me, it's because I simply refuse to doubt Tom Brady's. ability to be there in the fourth quarter. The Chiefs, though, they may be superhuman. They're only three and a half point favorites. It does feel like maybe... That feels concerns me.

A little what I like to call the thread the needle game. You know, the Chiefs win, but the Bucks, you know, end up keeping it even closer than that. A little internal housekeeping. Who had who with the locks for this game? The back-to-back, you know, the Chiefs are still hoping to get back-to-back titles,

but I got mine. It's over. Oh, you had the cheese. I took why I used to build, and, you know, I, congratulations. Yes, wonderful job, Greg. And, like, honestly, I don't know if we've had the locks come down to records that were as, you know, this may be the best lock record anyone's won with. I'm not sure because it's, it was tight.

But I would have picked Green Bay otherwise. So even after the first game, I thought, well, the lock thing is house money if they win because I already would have, with my inner feelings, picked the completely wrong team. So I did it twice. And if it makes you feel better, Mark, as the runner-up, the locks will be back next year. So, Greg, even though he can make a power play. Too straight means you can, well, then you need to get, like, rules written down, you know, things need to be changed. Greg, that's not going to do it straight and you get it out of here.

I know, but Greg is, like, thinking of, like, 80s, Lakers dynasty type things. Yeah, I wrote it down right here. I wrote it down. win five straight. You got to win five straight. Well, that's, no, no, you know, because I understand the number one factor is luck. The odds on three straight, it's not going to happen. So it's like, that's why I want to, you know, you got to end it right now. You got to end it. Yeah. Well, not going to happen. But congratulations. That was a very, really strong performance. And I thought you were a little conservative with your picks in the postseason, but how can you ultimately quibble

when you got the lead and you closed it out by getting behind a bunch of heavy favorites and you took the title. I would have done the same thing. Oh, please. It was the playoffs. What I took the Chiefs today. Yeah, what a big heavy favorite.

Give me a break. Good stuff. Anything else? Anybody else have anything to download out of their virtual notebooks or physical notebooks before we turn our attention toward the dark week? And it is different. First of all, this is the first of all,

this is the first Super Bowl ever that will feature the previous two Super Bowl winning quarterbacks so that's cool Mahomes Brady as we talked about this is the first Super Bowl that will be held in the stadium of one of the participants I assume it's going to be the first Super Bowl that's not going to be sold out but I guess it will be capacity but it won't be filled the building won't be filled and it is sadly the first Super Bowl in since we started in this podcast that we will not be there but the coverage will continue unabated here from Los Angeles. I'd feel much worse if they sent everyone but not us.

Like, we're not there because no one's there. So, you know, the part of me that would be concerned about the dynamics there. I think Colleen's going, you know, because they're sending a couple of the big shots. I don't know. She's going for in the beach. I don't know if she's going for the game, but she's going for the week. Well, that does tell you that at least they view at least one media individual inside our building is more important than us. So already I'm sort of annoyed. It couldn't. Couldn't happen. And Erica Tamposi,

you are wearing a Tampa Bay Buccaneers jersey, Tom Brady. Was that a gift or something? Because you haven't actually rooting for him. Yeah. No, I was rooting for him just because the paths weren't in. And I don't like Aaron Rogers. So I was going to root for Brady even if the paths weren't. Are you with me on this thing with the Belichick thing? I think he's upset for sure. I was having this conversation today, a lot of people were like, how could you root for Brady? Like, even if I won 4,000 Super Bowls and he left for another team and took them to the Super Bowl, I'd be like, F you. And I do feel like that. But also, like, I'm sick of all this Aaron Rogers is the best quarterback. Oh, please. Go home. Oh, that's where he's going. So you guys, you guys think that,

you know, despite any proof, you just, it's in your minds that Bill Belichick, like, kicked his shoe through the TV screen today, that that's how he handled this? No, he probably. took his cute little husky dog Nike for a walk and kind of grumbled about how like the one that got away. Yeah, it's upsetting. I mean, I enjoyed this much more than like seeing Mahomes, you know, beat some Patriots team 45 to 17 in the wild card round, which would have happened. So this, this is fun watching, watching Brady do this. All right. Good stuff. We will be back on Tuesday to dig into the start of the ramp up tour. Chiefs, Bucks, I'm with you, Mark. I'm not feeling this uniform matchup. Too much red. Beyond not feeling it. Like, I'm feeling, the first time I'm feeling jealous that Greg is.

You don't know what colors are. You don't know which colors. What if the bucks wear the home whites? Well, no, no, the movement has already begun because Damashak, I put it at the, at the height of these type of movements, the uniform movements. He is urging the bucks to go, despite being the home team, to be wearing white jerseys. because you've got to spend the next 40 years looking at these highlights. How about we veer away from anything looking like an eyesore?

And do not go pewter tops and bottoms, please. I mean, it's just, it's a thorny scenario with them in this game on that front alone. At least the bucks got rid of those terrible alarm clock uniforms. Well, yes, you're right. It could have been worse. You're right. Are you saying this is going to be a tough one for the colorblind because of all the red? Yeah.

I'm saying I'm wishing I were colorblind. this one time. It's a nice thing to be able to see colors, but this one time, if they go. If they go, it's just like the shades are a little off, the green. Whatever it is you're dealing with. You're very shady about explaining how you're impaired on that front. But, you know.

And Packers fans, please spare me about saying this is why we belong atop the pain rankings. Can we please? Don't stick the needle in. It is, it is brutal. They have had a pretty, it is crazy. You twist the knife? Or am I giving them drugs? Like, what?

I mean, maybe the Tuesday show for that topic. If they made it this far, they're already, you know, masochistic. Just don't tweet me about it. I was getting some tweets about it today. That's all I'm saying. That's fair. I mean, it's an amazing 25 years. I don't care what you say.

I get it, but it is crazy that decade. So I was at that Packer's Super Bowl, which was in Tampa. So they were trying to return to Tampa. It's crazy in the decade since. And Rogers will have won. three MVP's in that decade since and all the good teams they had that they have not been back yeah bitterly disappointed for Aaron Rogers

you know he wanted to it would have been good on this season but maybe in his age 38 season he will get it done all right that's it Dan Hansa signing off for Quiet Storm the old boss Ricky Tamposi, congratulations to both the Super Bowl participants.

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