NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Chargers vs. Chiefs Brazil Game Recap!

Episode Date: September 6, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook join forces for a live edition of NFL Daily immediately following the Los Angeles Chargers' statement win over the Kansas City Chiefs in week 1 of the 2025 NFL regular season. The duo talks an impressive Bolts passing game, the Chiefs pass rush struggles, Xavier Worthy's injury implications and other AFC West-centric narratives from an action-packed Friday night in São Paulo, Brazil.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sunday. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. First and 10 from the 23, slot left, single man right. Herbert and the shotgun, Naji Harris is left. McConkey comes in motion from right to left. Herbert gets the snap, back to pass, sets his feet, rush coming, lobs it down the middle, wide open Johnson at the five, into the end zone. Touchdown Chargers, second touchdown catch tonight for Quentin Johnston. And with five, Oh, two to go. The Chargers lead, 2618. That was Justin Herbert, finishing one of the best drives of his life. I'm just going to say it. You beat the Chiefs in a primetime game in Brazil with an eight-for-eight drive, and it's one of the best drives of your life.

The Chargers beat the Chiefs 27-221. That was Ryan Radke on Westwood One radio. We've seen so many of these Chiefs Chargers games, Nick, over the years. And I can think of the one five years ago with Travis Kelsey running through the so-fi secondary in overtime. But everyone feels the same. It just feels like the Chargers are getting close. The Chargers have the lead. And at some point in the fourth quarter, they're going to blow it. And it felt like this game was trending that way, except Greg Roman and Justin Herbert got the ball back in the fourth quarter in a tight game.

and they stayed incredibly aggressive and they made it look easy against this Chief's defense like they did most of the night and what a way to make this season 2025 feel different right off the jump for not just the Chargers

but the whole NFL having the Chiefs lose a tight game in the division like this. The Chargers realized from the very first drive that they were fully prepared to attack this Chief's defense. They knew that they didn't have much to fear beyond some exotic blitzes that are typical Steve Spagnolo, and they knew that they could throw on this secondary.

So when the time came for them to close this game out, they said, screw it. We're not going to go in conservative. We're going to rely on Justin Herbert's arm, and we're throwing all over you because we know we're better than you in that department. It was deliciously disrespectful, and I loved it so much. It's exactly what divisional rivalries are made of,

and it's peak entertainment for a Friday night on the opening week at the NFL C. Yes. Thank you, everyone who is joining us on YouTube. live. So obviously be our only Friday night game of the season. But Shuki and I are going to try to do this every Monday night. You know, we love the NFL daily listeners and viewers. And so come join us. And I see someone in the comments already saying he's surprised, Shuki's not getting a Friday night pumping. He's got too many important things to do. Like talk about. I already did it. Yeah, I mean, it looks great. It always does. So one of the things I love, not just from Greg Roman tonight and Justin Herbert was that they stayed aggressive throughout because it was what was working.

And I mentioned that drive where he's getting really good protection, but the chiefs go back right after that. And let's start at the end. And they end up settling for a field goal from Harrison Bucker with a little over two minutes remaining after Mahomes pulls off what was one of many just incredible Mahomesian plays in the final two and a half, three quarters of this game. He played outstanding tonight. but he hits a fourth and 17, you know, deep down the field on the run to potentially set up a touchdown that would make the charges feel very antsy.

But instead they settle for the field goal. The charges get the ball back with over two and a half minutes to go, three timeouts for the Chiefs. And the conservative play caller is absolutely running on first down or or making a very safe pass. And they call a play action and a rollout where they had. confidence in Justin Herbert. He hits it on first down and he gets like one of the most crucial plays of the game. Then on third and long, they have him drop back and he picks it up as a scrambler. And the thing that stuck out to me is not just that like, of course, I believe Herbert can hit those plays, but that they recognize the strength of their team. If Jim Harbaugh wants

to take Justin Herbert to the Hall of Fame shook, you got to let him run the show. So we heard all this stuff about this got to be a run first team. They weren't a run first team a year ago. think they're necessarily going to be won this year either. No, I mean, you get that kind of stereotype because Greg Roman's your offensive coordinator, but he got completely out of what, you know, how he's identified, which is as a run first guy and just decided

to throw. And he used, he used the anticipation of them being a run first team, like I said, early in this game and throughout this game. And he also used it to give Trey Pipkins the right tackle a little bit of a break. Because there were periods in this game in which George Karloftus was destroying him. And Karloftus was blowing up

multiple plays where, you know, Herbert would drop back and instantly get forced out of the pocket and have to make plays on the run. But that's the beauty of having Justin Herbert as your quarterback and not a replacement level guy, not even a Dalton level guy, because he's going to go make those plays. And the last play was the perfect example of it. Scambling right. Got to get the first down to finish the game. Tons of room to run. No worries. Slides down in bounds. Just completes a fantastic, complete performance from a Chargers team that needed this way. They didn't beat the Chief since 2021. It's been almost four full years. It was late September of 2021. They've finally done it. That is a crazy

stack because so many of these games were awesome. I weirdly think of this as one of the best rivalries in the NFL. And you can tell me that it's not a rivalry when it's that one-sided. But when they are so important in each other's lives, even if one is the little brother and one is the three-time world champion, like big brother, they're the team, the Chargers that the chiefs have to get passed in the division year after year. So to me, it does feel like a rivalry, even if it's a little Serena Williams versus Maria Sharapova. I always feel like the chiefs bring out the good stuff for the Chargers.

And it felt like they tried to. When the Chiefs ended that first half with the field goal, got it, you know, closer within a touchdown. The Chargers made some mental mistakes. And the Chargers then give up a touchdown after a three and out to start the second half. Didn't you just feel like this was going to be like the same story all over again? Yeah, as soon as Patrick R. Holmes scrambled and got the ball across the pylon, I was like, oh, no. And it was the visions of Travis Kelsey running through the SO-Fi secondary, as you said, we're running through my

head as soon as he crossed the goal line for that touchdown. I was just like, oh, no. The chargers are about to start charging. They're setting themselves up for heartbreak, and they did it. And that's why, even though it's only week one, this is a type of win that can propel you through an entire season because it inspires hope and belief in your coach, in your staff, in your organization, and what you're doing, the culture that you're building, we can beat these guys. Now, there are problems with the Chiefs that we are going to get into that allowed the Chargers to find success.

But that doesn't matter. You saw those guys in red and white, the guys that you can't beat. That's Goliath, you're David, or at least in your mind you are. Tonight, you hit that slingshot rock right between the eyes and we're able to take down the giant. That's big for them.

Yeah, I want to get into first the slow start for the Chiefs offense, the Xavier worthy injury, just how disjointed the offense looked for, a while and in the problems that I see on defense. But I think you're right to stay on the chargers. I'm going to ask you to start here. Like, what about this offense other than Herbert being sharp? And I think if there's one problem with Herbert, you know, his accuracy can sometimes wane a little bit for a truly elite quarterback. Now, he had great protection for the most part tonight. And I think that helped him. But he was very accurate other than one missed potential

touchdown to McConkey. He was really right on the money. A couple drops would have made his night look better. But outside of Herbert, when you're talking about the schematics or maybe the receiver group, what stood out to you? I was very impressed by Joe Alt, making the switch from right to left side. I mean, he lost for Sean Slater. He looked like a complete natural there. He was fantastic. I'm a little worried about Pitkins, but that's what you get from a guy that you have to call and pull into the starting lineup when you lose your actual starting right tackle. So that's fine. But I like that. O'Marion Hampton's a dude. He's got the juice.

You talked about it in preseason. Sometimes you can see it with these running backs. They just got the juice. He's got the juice. You can see why he was the first round pick. I actually really like the way that their backfield is set up with him as the lead guy. Keenan Allen makes that receiving core way better than we thought it was. This is a core that we were worried about.

We were focusing on Trey Harris and can Quentin Johnson make plays? He made plays? He'd come a couple touchdowns? I mean, all the guys contributed tonight. We had Ty Conklin making a big catch. Fumbled the ball, but he made a huge catch early in this game. I really like what they've built in this offense. They're much better, again, only one game than I anticipated for them offensively

because they're more balanced. They're not just that ground game. They have weapons outside, and I'm really excited to see where they can take this this year. Yeah, guys were open. That really stood out. And I do think the Chief's secondary played a part in that. I don't think they have enough guys. But yeah, it was Will Disley, by the way, who caught that late first down that helped

them kill the clock. You mentioned the play by Conklin, where he fumbles. That was one of the mistakes that they made because even though they got the ball back, McConkey had to hit the ball out of bounds to keep the ball. And then they have a penalty and they're behind the sticks. And there were a lot of plays like that. But you mentioned Keenan Allen.

I am surprised. So 10 targets, 7 catches, 68 yards, and a touchdown. I just did not expect, based on last season in Chicago, for this Keenan Allen thing to work that well. and I definitely was watching where they were using him versus McConkey, and they were moving them back and forth. I think it was probably more McConkey in the slot, which makes sense to me because he's really your number one receiver,

and he had a nice night, six for 74. It would have been about seven for 110 if Herbert had hit him on that touchdown pass. But man, Allen in the second half had so many plays, including the touchdown, where Herbert knew exactly where he was going to be. The scheme and the route basically got him open. And he's the third receiver now because Quentin Johnson, who had a really nice night, five for 79 and two touchdowns and a drop of a touchdown, which Quentin Johnson will do. Like, they're getting more attention, I think.

And I'm impressed. Like, Trey Harris, who had a nice catch and ran a couple nice routes. Like, he was barely on the field, five or six snaps for him. So Keenan Allen is actually going to matter in 2025. And you know what's cool? Nick, he actually could be the all-time leading Chargers receiver franchise. history. I think he went into tonight with 53 for the season that he needed. And I thought, I don't know if he's catching 53 passes. Well, he caught seven tonight. So he just took a pretty

big chunk off. He only needs 46 to go. That would be an amazing story if Keenan Allen got that. Yeah, and especially if they continue to maintain this balance. And I think that they will because they have the personnel to do it. Because then defenses can't focus on one or two guys. And just Allen's addition in general takes the focus a little bit away from Ladd-McCocki, which allows him to be more dangerous as well. So yeah, I'm a big fan of what they have overall in this entire group. And we haven't even talked about their defense because they had a couple of standout guys. Talk about it. Talk about it. Talk about it. All right. I'm going to talk about it right with tear tart. Maybe or maybe shouldn't have gotten ejected but through a bit of a slap at

Travis Kelsey comes back and just start slapping at the ball. I mean, it was just every time a ball got batted down. Tier tart, tier tart, throwing a hand out there, knocking it down. He might have had more past breakups than the leading defensive back or linebacker on this defense. That's how much of a difference he made. He was constantly in Patrick Mahomes throwing windows and interrupted a lot of key plays, including their two-point conversion attempt. He had an incredible game. Diane Henley was all over the field. We know we started talking about this last year. The charges really like this Henley guy. Well, now we obviously see why he's a monster of a linebacker. So I, you know, Khalil Mack, I think got out of position a couple of times, but closed pretty well, pretty strongly in this

game as well. So they're not the, on paper, they're not the strongest defense. That would be a slight concern for them. But man, they played tonight. They played really hard. Yeah, I was a little worried about the interior of their defensive line after losing Puna Ford, but they kept Tart, who was another great pickup, kind of off the scrap heap. He was literally released last year. I believe by the Titans, you mean, he has bounced around a couple places. He was very lucky not to get kicked out of the game. Why is an open hand slap? Not something you throw the guy out for, but a punch is, because opening slap would hurt more, right? Yes.

I mean, it would provide more force. It's rooted in football history because they had to outlaw the head slap, which used to be a defensive move. That was Deacon Jones' great move, right? So, I don't know. I'm just, I don't even know if that's like a real thing. And, yeah, I think it all depends, but they were lucky that they kept them in there. And I thought they did a really good job stopping the run.

And then I look, and actually, the chiefs had like a 55% design success rate on runs. And I was like, oh, why do they, why do they? the Chiefs, you know, struggle running the ball so much? Why didn't they have a number? Just because they didn't try. I mean, they had 11 rushing attempts tonight. And Pacheco goes five for 55. For the second straight night, the Super Bowl quarterback from a year ago, it was

Jaylen Hertz last night. It was Patrick Mahomes tonight was the leading rusher in the entire game, six for 57. So we came into the season here and like, oh, the run game's back. The run game's back. I'm sure it will be back at some point. But literally Jalen Hertz and Patrick Mahomes led each of these games with. like 57 and 62 yards. We got some comments in YouTube and let's throw up one from a little charger,

gun of charger. I do like that if you think about, and this was from Tomato, the crab chargers are going to charger, that's tired. Wired chargers are going to charger with a couple exclamation points. I don't know. I don't know if I'm ready to, you know, give up decades of horror, but it is year two old hat is don't die that quickly it is it is year two under jim harbaugh and they they come out in this game shook and they get up 10 nothing quickly and they just looked so much more prepared and

bigger and tougher than the chiefs i did start like immediately i started overreacting and thinking like oh yeah harbaugh year two these are going to be some tough you know tough tough mfers uh and i wouldn't want I wouldn't want to have to play them. And I do think there's going to be a separation in the AFC between the haves and the have-nots. And I do think the charges have enough talent to be part of the haves. Yeah. You know, it was actually indicative. It was pretty obvious to me way back on that start of August, the Hall of Fame game,

when they played against the Lions in that game. They just looked like a professional group. They executed well. They weren't sloppy. They knew where they were supposed to be. whether it was the backups in there, the third stringers. I mean, they just looked like a team that was well-coached. And we saw it again tonight, and not only were they well-coached,

but they had a great game plan. Like, I know I've talked about that already, but they were so prepared for this game, both in personnel, in how they wanted to approach the game, and how they ultimately executed. It's rare that a team comes into a game against the Chief State for last year's Super Bowl, and it seems like one team was more prepared than the Chief.

And that's what I felt like the charges were tonight. It's kind of crazy, though, Chuck. because they run the hardest training camp in the league in terms of long practices, a lot of not tackling to the ground, although like a little bit of that, but more like actual hitting in practice. They play more in the preseason. And so the idea behind that, I think it's to condition you for the entire season. But usually you start fast.

The Chargers aren't a team that play a lot in the preseason necessarily. But they come out this year and they did for the first time with Justin Herbert. and maybe it paid off. I love the moment, and this is random. Let's go back to the end of the first half. So, Amarian Hampton, who you're right, I think looked good, shook. The numbers weren't overwhelming, 15 for 48 on the ground. He also had a couple of catches.

But I agree that he passed the eye test and I think looked good. But at the end of the first half, they had a chance to essentially run the clock down to about 13 seconds or so and then kick a field goal to go up 10 going into half. But he runs out of bound with maybe a questionable play call. And you see Marshawn Lynch, who is credited as a photographer at an NFL game in Brazil that's being played on a Friday night on YouTube going over to the young man, Amari and Hampton, 22 years old, and counseling him with the usual, like, NFL media, you know, photographer.

vest that like usually our friend Ben is wearing out on the sidelines and I was just thinking like wow what what is happening right now this is absolutely wild and then it got even wilder because Mahomes hits his first deep throw of the night right after that and Taekwon Thornt makes a nice nice catch and that is when one of the best fire drill field goals has ever happened we do have this Let's listen to the fire drill field goal. I'm testing Chris Bobona here. Has he got it ready? Let's go.

Holmes takes the snap, back to pass, looks right, throws right, Noah Gray with a catch, and he's run out of bounds. They're going to wind the clock. Nine seconds. It's fourth down. The Chiefs can't spike it. They're going to run the field goal team out. Four seconds, down to three seconds, down to two seconds.

Can they get the snap off they do? Butker drives the kick. It is end over in. It is good. Inside the left-up right. That is laughter in the Westwood One studio. I believe that is former chief Dante Hall, who's laughed that you hear while it's Ryan Radke on the call.

Great job, by the way. You're a radio announcer and you get the trip to Brazil for that. What did you think watch that? That was a pretty amazing sequence that I thought was going to be like the play that changed the entire game. Yeah, okay, first off, I think this is the greatest fire drill in the history of football. You don't get around them,

I do think it was the greatest fire drill in the history of football because him getting pushed out of it. No, great getting pushed out of bounds going backward. You know, you see him go out of bounds. So there's an opportunity for a second or two for everybody on the sideline to go, okay, the clock stopped. And then they realize, oh God, the clock has not stopped. Get on the field. It's chaos. Like it looked like chaos on TV. They all get in line and set up properly. No mistakes in alignment. None of that. And they get the kickoff. They don't allow it to get blocked. That's the first part. The second part. And I'm so glad Dante Hall's in the booth, man known as the X Factor, right? Because the X Factor in this play,

was the guy on the right side of the line who ran in, rubbing his jersey to follow the rules that he's designated as an eligible receiver. Dan Skipper didn't do that one time. We know how that went for the Lions. He goes in there, designates himself as the eligible receiver.

Obviously, he's not running a route, but that allows them to get that off with no issues. It is so difficult to pull that off. You have to be prepared. You have to know, we don't have any timeouts, and this is possible. But the fact that he went out of bounds

made it even more complicated and they pulled it off flawlessly. I love some of the comments we're getting now, and I think it's a good one saying only Andy Reid would be prepared for that. And this was one of those nights that you thought, just they're going to figure it out somehow margins. And let's go back a little bit to the beginning of the game. Mahomes get hit quite a bit early.

I mean, he got hit the entire game. He was looking for contact throughout the night, including on a play where he lowered his shoulder on Dante Jackson from the Chargers and sent him flying. Like he was delivering punishment. Once he got going in this game, it was almost like he was so angry about how it started. And how it started was just a cavalcade of poor timing, mental errors, guys not being on the same page, just not being in sync, all stemming from a play. I think it was the first play from scrimmage, right, Shook?

Where Xavier Worthy got hurt. Or was it the second? Either way, it was right. third play it was the third down okay it was a third down concept and he got drilled by travis kelsey right derwin james kind of bumps Travis kelsey disrupts the timing of the play kelsey essentially tackles worthy and worthy is knocked out for the game was in a lot of pain we'll have to find out how serious that injury will be and the word was how that worthy was going to be a huge part of their game plan tonight and i think that said them scrambling shook because early in this

game. Mahomes was at one point, I think three of nine for like 23 yards. He was 10 of 17 for 57 yards. His like average depth of target was behind him essentially. It was like two or three yards in front of him. Anytime they tried to go down the field that wasn't working. At one point they had nine targets to Hollywood Brown and he had 16 yards. He had a bad drop during that. And I'm just thinking, oh my gosh, this is the worst possible start. And it reminded me a lot of Thursday night too with Jalen Carter getting knocked out like right away. really key piece getting knocked out and they just didn't seem prepared for it. Yeah, that was one of the notes I took, I think, in the second quarter was, oh my God,

Xavier really must have been a key part of their game playing because they are absolutely just lost for what to do offensively. I think at one point there was a botched snap where Mahomes, like, falls down to pick it up and just like flips it out on what was intended to be a bubble screen and it's a play that goes for basically nothing. They just, they just look disjointed. And I think that kind of set the tone for them and also kind of put them behind the eight ball because the chargers were very prepared and executed and something they

look at the scoreboard and they're trailing. But this is also why we got the same feeling in the second half, which is that the chiefs are going to find a way to come back and win this game. And they're going to break the Chargers' hearts again. Because this is a team that you have to absolutely put away. They are essentially the undertaker rising out of the coffin. Like this is just who they are. They're too good to just have some mistakes completely blow up what they're going to do over the course of four quarters. They fight their way back. And I was thinking late in the first half, they just got to get to halftime. They got to calm down and get reorganized. And also, chargers you cannot give them time

even less than a minute to have an opportunity to put points on the board because they're going to do it. That's just what they do and that's ultimately what they did. So kudos to the charges for holding them off in the second half but yeah I absolutely agree that the chiefs looked very disjointed because worthy got knocked out early. I mean they had to get the

halftime but I was a little worried like they would get distracted. We have a comment from one of the watchers here who was saying Nick looks nothing like he thought he did. I mean we talk about what he looks like but I hear you. never quite know until you meet someone. It was like when I managed the former guy, Evan Silva at Rotow World, who now does great work with Establish the Run. And I first met him

and he was about like 14 inches taller than me. I was like, man, I would not have been as tough on you over the last like nine months. But that was back in the day when you just boss people around on instant message and text. That's true. But the fun thing too, and this is beneficial to you, Greg, is that we're in two boxes across the country right now. Because you only see me from the shoulders i mean you're you're a lover not a fighter anyways uh that's true unlike uh yeah unlike these teams tonight which was it was spicy like i know i they had to get to half time and i think that tyquan thornton catch before half time you know let them loosen up a little bit but when they went on that long drive where they kicked a field goal to to finally get some scoring

and it was just dinks and dunks and it was juju and kelsey had not been seen like at all and like the running game was pretty lackluster and it was mostly just Mahomes taking charge in scrambling. I'm thinking they talked all offseason about we want to be a big play offense. We want to be different than the Chiefs. We want to be fun to watch again. And they tried that for two or three drives and it did not work at all. They lose worthy. Mahomes is getting hit. They try, they force a couple shots down the field that don't work. And it felt like midway through the second quarter. It was just like, oh man, we need to go back to. to what we actually know what to do, which is really not that fun to watch.

But as the game wore along, Patrick Mahomes started doing things like throwing while midair levitating over the scrimmage line while completing a pass. It's just like, we're getting so used to this. It is, it is ridiculous, like what he is making us get used to. He's, I think any other quarterback in the NFL does that, and I'm going to social media to comment on it. But because Patrick Mahomes did it, it's just like, yeah, that's just, that's what he does. And, you know, we talked about how we felt like they were going to come back, right?

They were going to win this game. When he hit that pass to Travis Kelsey, which was the product of great play design, by the way, basically faking a bubble screen. They used a ton of motion to try to create some mismatches and confuse the defense and get them disorganized. They fake the bubble screen. Kelsey acts as if he's going to block and then leaks out down the sideline. When they hit that pass, I was like, oh, that's the one. That's the one that breaks open the dam. Here it comes.

And again, it didn't happen. But they still have that in them. They still do have the big play in them. Well, if you're going to mention it, let's get the call. First, a comment, Triple G, much love. How do you feel about worthy's durability going forward, knowing that they're missing Rishi Rice for five more weeks? It's a great point because there is a Super Bowl rematch on the docket against the Eagles next week.

And even the Kansas City Chiefs do not want to start the season, oh and two, especially not against the Chargers and the Eagles, just like two teams that are so, I believe, important to them. And I think Xavier Worthy is really important to them because I love that they're turning Taekwuan Thornton's career round, but he's not Xavier Worthy. And this offense just lacks explosiveness unless, you know, Travis Kelsey said this offseason,

he's trying to get a little faster. And on that touchdown, granted, he was wide open. I did think he looked a little faster. Let's listen. From Los Angeles 37, Mahomes with pressure, finds a wide open, Kelsey. Travis Kelsey, touchdown. 37 yards for 87.

And Mahomes to Kelsey strikes again against the Chargers. One of the longest touchdowns Kelsey has had in years. It was the longest for a long time. Only two catches tonight for 47 yards. And it was a reminder, not that he looked incredibly fast on that play. And he actually had a costly miscommunication near the goal line on the Chief's final drive where they would have made the Chargers really sweat, but Kelsey slowed down while they were improvising.

So a rare time that him and Mahomes was not on the same page. But it's just a reminder. Man, they will come up with solutions. Nick, schematically, that not many teams can because Deru and James fell so hard for that fake on that play. I mean, he just bit and was nowhere near it. And they were absolutely attacking Troy Dye, who was in as the second linebacker because Denzel Perriman for the Chargers got out.

So that's Kelsey and Mahomes, but especially Andy Reed, kind of putting a circle, a target on a guy's back and figuring out where their weaknesses is. And in the end, their offense was playing well by the end of this game. Like the second half of this game, they mostly did what they wanted. Yeah, it just took them too long to find their rhythm. And you can't blame Derwin James for budding on that, by the way, because How many times you're going to get poked in the nose by somebody before you decide, all right, I'm going to react.

I'm going to block this. And right when you go to block it, they punch you in the gut. That's essentially what they did here is that, all right, we're playing the flats. We're playing the flats. We're playing the short game because we know we can't go down the field, say for, you know, just a one-off here and there. Oh, now we're going to take the shot. And now we're going to get within, you know, an extra point or a two-point conversion of tying this game.

I mean, that's just, that's what they do. And that's the genius of Andy Reid. Again, that's why you have to put them away when you can. And luckily, the charters did do that tonight. But, Greg, I think at some point, we have to have a discussion about this Chief's defense. Lead the way. Lead the way, Nick Schroredded.

They got shredded by Justin Herbert. Yeah. And I hate to say it, but Chris Jones didn't feel like much of a factor in the interior, which is a credit to the Chargers' Interior offensive line. And outside of Karloftus beating Pipkins, I mean, Spaggs in the second half pulled a Matt Iberflus from last night, which is, all right, I don't know what else to do.

So I'm just going to start sending Blitz's nonstop. And they actually got some stop. that way. They send tranquil on a blitz off the edge. He shoots through the B gap, gets a sack. They send, you know, a number of different pressure looks. I mean, most of the second half, they're setting zero blitzes. They're setting different types of pressure. Like, that's the only way they can manufacture, and yet the chargers had an answer for it. I am gravely concerned, and that is super hyperbolic at this point. And I acknowledge that, but I am gravely concerned that they simply don't have the personnel to make up for this and to patch things up and

that this is going to have to be their identity, which then makes them easier to game plan against. and we saw it in that final drive when there was even that one pass where Herbert just ran backward because he knew the blitz was coming just to buy himself some time and find a guy open. That's a huge tell.

That's a major weakness over the course of a long season. Yeah, I do wonder if they're just short a body or two on the defensive line in the secondary, both places. Because, you know, the numbers, I hear you, I'm not feeling Chris Jones,

and so that's why I'm looking for the numbers as you're talking. And, you know, he did have three pressures in this game, one quick pressure. Pressures can be a little misleading. It was double-teamed, obviously, a lot. Karloftus had four, and they did blitz drew tranquil quite a bit, and he got near the quarterback. But it's just, that's even not enough. I know you'll get better games out of Chris Jones, but you just can't have two guys.

And Karloftus is good, but he's not great. If it's a huge falloff where everyone else on the line are losing their battles, that's not a winning formula. Look, I wonder to, and Jalen Watson made a nice play in this game. You know, there are players that they can trust in the back end, but they have guys like Shamari Corner playing a decent amount at safety who was not good for them a year ago. And really the secondary losing Eric Reed, Jordan Reed, to me, could be a guy that they end up missing quite a bit.

So I just feel like both groups are just a little things. in a way that I think the offense is going to need to be better this year because I think the defense is going to be worse. Yeah, I felt like the read departure was going to, you know, resonate in this coming season. And I hate that I was right in week one because, again, if you're going to be the Spag's defense, which sends pressure at good times to get these big game-changing plays, you have to be able to stand up and be strong enough on the back end on other play and like get them in those situations where it's third and long and they need longer dropbacks.

They need longer developing plays and you can get after them with pressure. If you're never in that situation, It's a bad formula. So, I mean, you give guys the course of a season to figure it out and improve and, you know, you might get stronger there in the second half of the season or whatever it is. But just overreaction week, which is week one, I'm very concerned about this defense. Yeah, Samar Connor, 61 snaps basically played the entire game. So did Jalen Watson.

They did get Christian Fulton on the field for a little bit of this game. And he's someone who I think is going to be a full-time player, but he's coming off an injury. So sometimes early in the season, like, you know, you don't have everyone quite ready yet. And I didn't really realize it until I looked at the game log right now. I mean, the Chief's offense after those first three punts on very quick drives went field goal, field goal, touchdown, touchdown, field goal. This was not a game with many drives at all. And the Chargers just matched them. The last three possessions they have were both touched.

were touchdown drives and then running out the clock. So it basically was the chargers winning kind of in an old school chief's way, which is like get a little bit of a lead and then you just keep scoring. You can keep giving up points, but you can keep scoring. Let's throw that comment up. I appreciate you, Winthrop noticing we got hundreds of people watching. I love that after a game. And it's going to give us some wind in our sales to keep doing this on Monday night.

noticing over 300 people watching but only 33 likes so smash the likes that will help us out to grow this like subscribe do all the thing it is kind of crazy though the charges didn't have rachshan slater in this game like they played that well without rashan slater and they're not going to get them back this year and it's it's going to be a what-f all year but their offensive line played really well i i don't know if that was because of the opposition nick but what do you think about them overall moving forward like do you think they'll be good enough. Well, I think the start of the game, it was the game play. The opening strip was fantastic. A lot of play action, booting to the right, that sort of thing, getting the flow

to the left and running away from it, buying Herbert time to find guys. And usually in those situations when they're run committing, you know, first read step is a run and then you have to double back and cover the pass. You've given up a step or two on a receiver. And that's why Herbert was able to find guys open early in those drives. And then in the second half, it was a bit of a chess match, but it was also a team that had a lot of confidence behind that they can continue to throw the football because they knew that their passing game was superior to what the chiefs were bringing in the secondary. And again, if they knew that the blitz

is coming, they could call their plays accordingly. Give yourself a hot. You know, tell Herbert, hey, they're going to blitz everybody here, and you better just back up and get the ball out. It was an example of game flow, I think more than anything, but it started up front where they appeared to be much better even without, you know,

having your typical, well, your right tackles playing left tackle available at your disposal. And I don't think it's going to be that lopsided from week to week. because once that tape gets out there, you're going to have to adjust. Sometimes your scripts aren't going to be as effective. But it's an encouraging sign for this team. I know we're going to be wrapping up pretty soon, but there's a few things I do want to get to.

While we're on offensive line play was texting with our friend Steve Weish. And he was noting he thought left guard was really a problem for the chiefs, Kingsley, Suea, who was a guy who had to be moved inside to replace, you know, help replace Joe Tooney, who got traded away and he struggled in this game and he was a problem. Their right tackle, Juan Taylor kind of has been a problem, didn't have a great night. I don't think definitely had penalties. Josh Simmons, who I thought for the most part looked good as far as I could tell, but he had penalties in this game.

So, you know, that'll happen to a rookie. I do think there was like a mental error on one play with him where I don't think he, he knew what the play was, knew who to block and he gave up a free rusher. but for the most part, I thought he was fine. But that's a little concerning for their offensive line if left guard is a problem. They could potentially move Joanne Taylor in there. God, because then what's your option at right tackle?

We have talked about how Joanne Taylor is. I meant Jalen Moore, by the way, the pickup from San Francisco. That is very much on the table. I would not at all be shocked if he ends up. I mean, they're paying him $15 million a year. And if Kings Lusumatia, who struggled to tackle last year and is struggling at guard now is not doing the job, But they will make that change.

You knew what Joanne Taylor was. He makes too much money for how he plays. And you know that he's good for a false start or two in a game. He got drilled for a holding call. It's just who he is. But on the left side, Josh Simmons, I thought he had a bit of an up and down game. Early on, he was really solid. He was doing a really good job.

He had a great block on a draw. I think it was a handoff to Pacheco approaching the red zone, where he just basically baits, not it doesn't bait, But basically the technique is on the draw, you take a pass set and then you get the guy, let the guy get on your outside shoulder and you throw him back. We need some sort of sound effect when Shook really gets into the football of it. I apologize for interrupting you. Keep going. I just need it. I love it. I love it. Oh, actually? No. So you essentially take a pass set and then you throw the guy back, which then creates the running lane, which is exactly what happened. He threw Mack back out of position, gives up his running lane. Pacheco darts through the left side for a big game to get inside the red zone. And I was like, that.

is a hell of a play against, you know, a veteran, but still an upper-tier edge rusher. That's the good of Josh Simmons. The bat of Josh Simmons was late in this game where he got, he just flat out got beat a couple of times, a couple of times where he would engage a defender, got his hands knocked off and then fell forward, a bit of a leaner in those situations. Those are things he's going to have to improve and clean up. So it wasn't 100% good. It wasn't terrible.

Just up and down. That's what you get from a rookie making its first start at left tackle in a prime time setting, in Brazil, by the way, which is that has the trip itself. adds to the adversity and the challenge of this start. But not as good as I think I would have expected, given the vibes that were following him from training camp, but also wasn't bad. Yeah, wasn't bad.

Justin T says week one's always an outlier. Remember how the Saints started last year, believe in the charges, but let's take it one week at a time. I hear that in week one, week two, week three. It's all really just a warm up for the season. It's not extended preseason, but it's just rounding into shape for the games that matter. Think about what the Eagles look like last September.

They're just figuring out. I totally agree. The only thing I would push back on a little is division games matter no matter where they are just for the reality. When you really do believe in the teams and the quarterbacks, I just think these two teams and these two coaches are too good not to be in the mix in December. And for the charges that already have clinched like a split at worse and to have a chance to now. sweep the Chiefs. That alone is massive, not only, you know, the confidence that they'll get. I'm also getting some comments that I look tired or something. I mean, that daddy's got to go to bed. I mean, it's 9 p.m. on the West Coast. I'm fine. It has been a long week. And, you know,

I'm looking at the cup. We're doing lots of things. I'm checking the stats. You mentioned the two-point conversion, which was so big, you know, after the Kelsey touchdown that they stopped, the T.R. Tart play. They only were going for two because Harrison Bucker missed an extra point. kind of how this game, if you really look at it from a chief's perspective, they started to look like, they started to charge or some things. Like that was their original sin, was the Harrison Bucker extra point miss. Yeah, that's actually absolutely what it was. Because if they, I think it took a little bit of the energy out of them. Yeah. Maybe you're out of the fact that they were, you know, overtaking the momentum battle, whether momentum's real or not, we'll get into that later.

But like they were going to tie the game and that, okay, all of a sudden it's a new ball game. Oh, no, wait, we're still down by one. We still have. have worked to do. The Chargers score, they go up by eight, we got to convert the two. You don't get it. The Chargers score again, they're up by nine. Now we need two possessions to potentially win this game. A tie is essentially out of the equation. Yeah, that had a huge impact on that game. And really, I think, defined a lot of the way the game flowed in the second half. But you know what, Greg, I do, now that we have two games in, two primetime games, and done two shows and everything, we are so fortunate to have seen four teams play with four

quarterbacks who all played really well, who all tried to put the team on their back. Granted, not all four teams can win, but I mean, for a first couple of games to start a season, when some teams start slow and they're still working out the kinks, we got some great performances from Jalen Hertz, Dak, Prescott, Patrick Mahomes, and Justin Herbert. It was week one-ish. Like, it doesn't shock me that these were week one games, but I was thinking the same thing that they were relatively crisp games. cross your fingers, and it's hard to say that when Xavier Worthy left with a shoulder injury and

everything. But sometimes in these week one games, it's like carnage of injuries right away. And Ben Van Sumer and got hurt last night. I'm not saying no one got hurt, but it wasn't out of the ordinary. I was thinking it was pretty healthy. It was pretty clean. It looked like good, like professional football. And it makes sense because you put, you know, four teams that, you know, Cowboys accepted, you know, but they have a quarterback that that's excellent. But four teams, I also think that are run well. and I think Brian Schottenheimer in their offense when I watched that film today,

I thought it was pretty good. McIle-Stanberry said Chiefs killed a lot of folks with Survivor picks this week, happy about that myself. I mean, if you took the Chiefs, that to me was a pretty bold pick. I mean, I took the Chiefs to win,

but I would never have taken them as my Survivor pick. A couple last things. Two games in, the kickoff is totally different this year. It is a thing. I need to check the numbers, but the field position, I feel like, has changed to the negative.

I don't even know if NFL will like this so far if it somehow continued because they're nailing hitting these line drive kicks, and it's a lot of drive starting below the 30, below the 25. It's absolutely been a difference, just something to watch. And then the fourth downs in this game shook in the first half, especially. I mean, Jim Harbaugh, old school, went for fourth and one at his own 35-yard line, and Hampton picked it up with a big run and they end up scoring on that drive

and Andy Reid went for I think it was a fourth and two was it on his side maybe it was like the 41 yard line 43 yard line and got it too and now we're just so used to this you know when Bill Belichick did it

against the Colts in whatever year that was 2009 or something like that it's like we spent 12 days talking about it like 17 straight hours on Sports Center. It was like the craziest thing ever that Bill Belichick went for it

in his own end against Peyton Manning because he didn't trust his defense or whatever. And that was like in the fourth quarter when there wasn't much time left. They're doing this in the second quarter. No one's even noticing anymore. It's great. Like we won.

The fourth down, it happened. And like football's better. There's more points because of it. It's amazing. And you know what that is? That's the lasting legacy of Brandon Staley. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. He walked so Jim Harbaugh could could run like everything else didn't go well for him but but no yeah um yeah the commenters are liking the new kickoff i i totally agree and no more we did have one big return the opening return was pretty big yeah and i i do think because there's more kicks there will be more kick like good kick returns too but just the odds are that's not going to happen like too often and it's just part of it really feels like it's been part of the game uh which is very exciting last thing i got is just um on that touchdown

that was wide open I think it was the second Clinton Johnson touchdown if I remember right you know they caught the chiefs in a cover zero like and they were like

switching the coverage in the middle of the play or like as the play was starting and so you know the players back there were way too slow and it was just it looked like a busted coverage essentially it was like wide open and I was just thinking like that's a type of thing

that an underman maybe not ready for that sort of advanced calculus defense is forced to do because they're not getting enough pressure so you have to just send everyone cover zero and but you have guys back there that aren't really ready to handle all that responsibilities and a play like that like that can just end the game so then they're just like little little warning sign there for the chiefs yeah and especially when an opposing offense knows that that's their only option because then you can just prepare for it it's not like you're shocked by a blitz there and that's the tip of the captain gregor Roman. Again, preparation won out for the Chargers tonight.

Tip of the cap to my friend Shook. Appreciate you. I asked, are you in? Are you in for the kickoff game? Are you in for the Friday night? We're going to set the table here for what's going to be a primetime season with Shook. He said, of course I am. Oh, yeah. This is fun. I'm looking forward to a season's worth of this stuff. And thank you to everybody who watched. Getting into the chat and contributing to the show just makes it more lively and more fun for us.

I loved it. And yeah, like I said, we're going to be doing. doing Thursday night recaps all year, but I'm going to be from the studio, so no YouTube that night, but we will be doing it on Monday nights. And more importantly, we're going to have that podcast. I'm a podcast evangelist. I've been doing it since you had to download the podcast onto your iPad. I mean, back in my day, before I would get on the Metro North in New York and go up to work at Roto World. And I would listen to my Bill Simmons podcast on the way there. but you would have to down, like, I love the audio. I listen to nonstop audio.

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