NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Chiefs-Chargers TNF Recap

Episode Date: December 17, 2021

Gregg Rosenthal and Lakisha Wesseling recap the AFC West overtime matchup between the Kansas City Chiefs and the Los Angeles Chargers. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Herbert, end zone. Pass caught. Touchdown, Allen. Holmes, floats it to a wide open, Kelsey. Flag is down. Kelsey's still rumbling inside the five down to the one. Here is Kelsey. Still going. Still going. Kelsey. Good night. Touchdown. Chiefs win it.

That was Travis Kelsey doing what Travis Kelsey does, which is just making plays after the catch when it doesn't make any sense. Chiefs 34 Chargers. 28. I'm Greg Rosenthal in what is shaping up to be a throwback night in the Wessling Manor next to one of my best friends in the world, Lakeisha Wesleying. The Chiefs threw it back. That felt like 2018, 2019, just Chiefs Patrick Mahomes making some magic at the end of regulation and breaking the Chargers' hearts once again. That was such, I think I'm still in shock and how that ended. I know your mom's in shock. Rota came in with about two minutes left.

She saw that it was 28, 21 Chargers. Let's be real here. We were kind of pulling for the Chargers tonight. They're the hometown team. We were enjoying the story. She was excited to watch the last couple of minutes. And I think what we found out, what Rota found out, and I think what Dan Hansis' kids found out,

because they're at the game tonight is this is what a Chargers fan, It's what is like to be a Chargers fan Because just when you felt like Patrick Mahomes And this Chief's team like wasn't really themselves The last three drives of that game They go touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. And it starts with that Kelsey play Where he's making all sorts of crazy moves in the open field.

He never makes sense because he's not that fast. Like I don't know what he does. No one ever can defend him like every time And I just look around him like where? Where are the defenders? I don't understand. Well, they're on the bench. Darwin James was out at the end of that game.

I think that was big for them because Nassir out of Lee. Who's a starter at safety? Took some bad angles on those plays. But still, he's got the two of them, Mahomes and Kelsey, have like a sense of where the open spots on the field was. But there was a point in this game where I almost felt like Patrick Mahomes needed it to be difficult to actually make the plays. He can't make the routine plays. He's got to make the plays where they're just improvising.

That's when they're at their best. A two-point conversion play comes to mind. When they went to go try to tie it up 21-all, he has a wide-open throw in the flat, doesn't take it. A little spooked out because Nuosu had already intercepted a pass like that. Mahomes had short-armed another pass like that on fourth and gold. This game had everything. It was absolutely insane.

same game so he doesn't take that then he sees his secondary receiver streaking wide open doesn't take that doesn't take it doesn't want it i don't know why it's almost like patrick behones needed the chaos i'm kind of like that too sometimes sometimes you know you i'm not saying i'm patrick behon but you know i'm close when it comes to podcast and like oh she i'm kidding but like it's almost like doing the easy stuff is too easy for him and he didn't want either of those two throws so what does he do he starts sprinting around and he finds the ball across his body hits the two point conversion and then it was like it was on the next two drives i did not feel too confident when the chiefs won that overtime coin toss and it ruined a great effort by the charges i just man i seriously was so far up for that

entire game and just to like end like that is just like come on okay so that's fair but chiefs fans are listening to this like you're killing us here and neutral fans are listening to this thing and you guys are being silly because this was like a great game this was one of the games of the year it had everything with the failed fourth down conversions uh don't even talk about that we we're getting to that tune fired up on that turnovers on both sides uh it ends up with the chief's almost getting 500 yards from scrimmage. The Chargers get over 400 yards. Like these two quarterbacks going back and forth in the fourth quarter and then into overtime.

Like that's what we want and it hurts for Chargers fans, but they split with the Chiefs this year that they are not going to win this division. They are now down two with three to play and they got swept. It's over. This was a huge result in terms of the Chiefs trying to get that number one seed. And now it's going to be that much more difficult here for the Chargers to make the playoffs. And they're not hosting a game in Sofa, I'm sorry. I'm pumped for the playoffs, though. Like, bring it on.

Like, I'm ready for these games to really mean some stuff. Well, that is what I was thinking watching this tube was, like, December footballs, I'm not going to say it's underrated, but I think people forget the point of the, like, last three to four weeks of the season are the best three to four. I like week one, but after that, like, because you're back and you're just excited for everything. but after that the last few weeks when these games mean more really are the best games and i thought monday night's game was like the first ooh like that that changes a little bit how i see the rest of this season and then this was another game that we will absolutely remember and part of the reason

is the fourth downs so let's talk about them are they frustrating you at the time i was just like you know i get it but now looking back it's like dang did they really leave all those points out there like okay they did but that's part of the process i think and i know there's a lot of people that are that are killing them for this first of all i hate the people that they like it when it works and they're mad when it doesn't that's me right and i'm guessing what i would say is like get used to it because this is how football is going to be played sometimes now not always Not all coaches are going to be like that, but when you have a baller like Justin Herbert and a coach like Brandon Staley, it's going to be played like this sometimes. The second thing I would say is like they went for it on fourth down on one of their touchdown drives.

So you adding those points up when you're taking those field goes away? No. Because you got to. They hit another fourth down also later in the game. And then they ended up fumbling on the one, which was right before Mahomes through the interception. And so it's like that fourth down eventually ended up helping, you know, set up scores. And as much as like you don't want to hear like that the math makes sense of it all, the fact that they hit that one fourth down and scored a touchdown on that drive,

even though they didn't get the other two times, like they were still in this game because they scored the touchdown earlier. So like to me it all makes sense. And it also comes down to like everyone wants to talk about decisions because like, We've played Madden, and, like, we can kind of imagine being coaches more than being players, but, like, they could have scored those touchdowns. They just didn't. I don't understand why everyone takes the agency away from the players. Mike Williams dropped a touchdown on that first drive before the fourth down. That fourth down was a good throw.

It didn't end up being complete because Donald Parham got hurt. We'll mention that in a second, and that is a scary situation. Very scary. and so that's why that didn't happen another one you know Jared cook couldn't hold on to a ball that he could have another one is tipped but the plays before that and those plays it's like those are the two teams going at each other in an athletic competition and on those plays the chiefs won and the chargers lost so it's like that's what sports is to me you know what I mean like and so people get so worked up about the fourth down decisions like you left points

on the board. There's no guarantee the charge is going to hit those kicks, especially not the 48-yarder. But it's also like, make those plays. They dropped two touchdowns. Yes, they could have scored 14 more points, but it was just like they didn't make the play. It definitely made the game way more exciting. I will say that. I mean, I didn't need it to, I didn't need it to be more exciting. No, yes, we did. I was looking for that Chargers thing, just like roll up some points. Because the whole time you're watching this, you're thinking they needed to pile up points early when their defense was actually playing pretty well against Mahomes they give up the opening drive touchdown that first drive you knew it right then you were like this is

not good this is not good what when they didn't score yeah when they didn't score I mean when a Chargers game starts with a Mike Williams basically two drops and you know one in the end zone one on the the one yard line where he fumbles it backwards a couple yards and then the par and play which was really scary and he is in the hospital now we might as well mention it um they're not saying anything other than stable condition but he's a tight end for the chargers big dude six seven and uh we're just hoping and praying that he's okay because that was one of the scariest hits we've seen and that's it's so unfortunate and just that that play being a big play in the game is almost like a a sideline to to everything that happens but i guess my

point is like yeah they should have run Austin Echler a little more that would have been nice like when they did he did score a touchdown um but it's like you go you know like why get so mad at the decision why not just be like the chiefs chiefs won those plays you got if you're

the chargers like I get what Brandon Staley's trying to do and I'm with it I'm with it he's a cold MF I was I knew you're going to say I'm not going to swear in front of your mom sorry we just looked at her and she just like, whatever. What's up, everybody?

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Justin Herbert was pretty cold here. I mentioned this to you before you even came over here that this is like a year where I've watched the least amount of football just because it's like I'm usually running around with the one and a half year old trying to pay attention to a game and just I hear so much about Justin Herbert and just to like you know be able to watch an entire game and just to see like the throws and plays that he made it's just like wow I mean yeah you told me that when we come over you're like don't you know you got to do the heavy lift you know I'm I'm like, please, this will be people's favorite Thursday and a recap because we got like Keisha Wesley. This is a big get for me. Like, Rota's a big part of that. We kind of offloaded the link duty. She was watching the link so that you could be like focus. Rota's come a long way.

You didn't really take notes. I just, yeah, no, no. But Roto's come a long way from like the ghost plays and stuff. Like that's one reason why I was so excited to have you over here. But you didn't get a chance to really watch that much with her because she, her knowledge has just. Oh, yeah. It's crazy. Tyler Huntley, you didn't even know about Tyler Huntling.

She was saying like that that was his, you know, he's a little Lamar and the excitement level. Like that's, I still have that childlike excitement watching these games still. And yes, I will mention Greg got up two times to do a little dance. I know. And then it all, it all went for not. But no, some of the things I really liked about Herbert in this game, obviously like the arm strength and everything, but late in that game, when they started mixing tempo, when they were like speeding it up and slowing it down. The one thing that they didn't do, though,

is get the game-winning field goal when it's 28-28. I mean, you have to give Herbert credit for, you know, getting two fourth-quarter drives to take touchdown leads. It's like they did ultimately move the ball and then get that touchdown to go up 28-21. But they did get the ball back with a minute and 12, I want to say, something like that left with their timeouts, a chance to get it and that to me was the key sequence of the game because the chiefs forced

a couple incompletions there was a penalty by the chargers and the chiefs got off the field there in a moment where it was like I didn't think it was going to happen I thought I was going to do it um shaking her head all right some other images from this game it ended and they showed this on the fox I don't know if people saw this unless you watch the post game I didn't until then, after Kelsey scores the game-winning touchdown, Mahomes gets up and he is yelling something fierce. I don't know exactly what he's saying, but he's gesticulating with his arms over at

the Chargers sideline. And that was something. That was a division robbery. I don't know if he's talking to someone else, but I don't think so. He's talking to everybody that was saying, like, you know, he's falling off and everything. It wasn't as obvious as the Aaron Rogers, I own you, you know, because we didn't hear exactly what he was saying. But he was looking at the opposite sideline,

and he was telling him where the AFC West goes through that we are the champ still. And this, I think the Chiefs have had a couple moments like this during the season. I think the throw he had at the end of the Packers game was like this. But if ever they needed to feel a little bit more like the Chiefs, chiefs he's pointing to his chest i'm the man it's like basically you better get those fourth downs against me you better put up 45 uh and i i do think that's big for kansas city as they move forward to to get a win like this against a team that really plays like the type of defense that in theory has been given the chart the chiefs the the most amount of struggles this year and

normally i usually root for the chiefs because of my Midwest ties but i'm rooting for chargers ram super bowl like chargers have been there before like i want something different i just i work with so many chargers fans and it's just like to see the depression that they had for so many years and just chargers are going to charge like they deserve it and yet this was like the ultimate charges because it was setting up that way the whole time and they roped you in with with the great way that her play and that's why i don't think for the most part that the chargers are charging. I think they're a little bit of a flawed team that's playing their best late in the season. I still feel pretty good. I think that they're going to make the playoffs. But this

was a game where Derwin James leaving late or was a little bit after half time to me, to me was massive. I'm just, I would, you know, we're all winners tonight. I got to come over here and just watch the game with you. Yes, it's like, yeah, so many Thursdays of you and West and me looking at you and West taking notes wondering what you guys are writing down and just like the scientist at work like it was it was awesome like I was getting like a little kid before he even like got over here so this was a great evening no I when I think about I wanted to get link saying touchdown touchdown touchdown and he wouldn't do it for you it was so frustrating because now like even if I have like the around NFL podcast on like he'll just start yelling like touchdown touchdown it's the freaking cutest thing and I even said like Uncle Greg's coming over and he was like touchdown i'm like you gotta do that when he gets here and then he like freezes up and it's just like come on dude yeah i mean kids are like that but the fact that he's already in the car and first of all that you're playing the podcast and the car is impressive it was after i watched split ends just gonna say ooh good split ends pop um yeah people got to just listen to them back to

back i um i don't know how i think of chris so so much obviously I thought of them a lot when we went to that Chargers game against the Steelers. I really missed him there. And I was kind of pithed, you know, that like anger came to me that night. But tonight and like Thursday nights are such great memories. I really associate him with Thursday nights because when we were doing it out of the office, it was very often me and him. And that was like one of my favorite ways to watch a game that I've ever had in my whole life. because we were sitting there

we were both facing the same way so we had the desk next to each other you remember the setup and it's the only time that we're sitting together watching the game and there's no other games on yeah like you can take the game as it's coming and so

we talked the whole time we'd be commenting the whole time what we liked what we didn't what we saw everything and that was just like best you know and then it's like okay it's half time you got to go like run upstairs try to get there early to get in line and then we'd be like complaining in line and like talking about what happened in the first half and you're making small talk with everyone that's there you're about

to make me cry because I used to like get the food first and I try to um because I know sometimes you guys would get so busy so I'd always try to snag them like a plate because once you guys would go in there the food will be like all gone oh wow yeah and eventually Eventually, our other great friend that we missed to our deaker would hook us up with the talent food line. Just be like, you guys can come into this kitchen and get better food. So eventually we would do that. But that was like, I think of him more just like about the times we had as just friends. But to me, that was like great football times.

And then we brought it to a few years later, we would start doing it over here. So we started, you know, taping the TNF games here and the same conversations would be here. How did that start that it started being taped here? We just got, you know, I think Dan or Ricky, Erica got the idea that we had the equipment. We could start just like ping ponging and do it at home. And that was a great idea. And so then it was like that same experience, except, of course, I got to eat your food. Oh, yeah.

I wanted to tape this in the green room today, but it's a little nippy out there. So we're, we always are thinking of Chris. I know our listeners are too, and we appreciate that, you know. And so I always embrace the opportunity to, like, feel him a little closer. So I definitely do tonight sitting here watching the game. And I got it in Justin Herbert was his dude last year that we would talk about the most. I wrote about it in QB Index. I thought this was like the perfect night.

You know, Justin Herbert, our guy playing great. And then I remembered every other time I watched the Chargers with West, and it'd be the same thing. I picked the Chargers. I would get all into the Chargers, and they would lose the game in heartbreaking fashion. So this is just like it always was. This is a perfect game for tonight. We appreciate everyone listening. And whatever you think you want to do in your life that means, like, heed the call.

you know to me it means like coming here that's heating the call like being with the people you love having having beautiful time so hope everyone's doing that out there with their families and everything this holiday season and we'll see everyone on sunday till then keep the car Hey, Hey, everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move to Six, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies.

To evaluate team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. We study the tape, talk to decision makers, and give you a perspective you won't find anywhere else. It's everything you need to understand

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