NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Christmas Games Recap and Lamar Jackson's Future

Episode Date: December 26, 2025

Santa delivered some consequential football for this year's Christmas slate of games. The Detroit Lions were eliminated from playoff contention, the Denver Broncos maintained their No. 1 seeding in the AFC and the Dallas Cowboys defended their pride with a win. Gregg Rosenthal and Will Gavin collaborate on a recap of all three Christmas Day games, before discussing some dramatic rumors surrounding Lamar Jackson, John Harbaugh and the Baltimore Ravens.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're always ready to celebrate boxing day. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I am here in rainy in Southern California talking to my friend, Will Gavin, who's joining us in the future at night in Boxing Day. In the UK, welcome. Regular NFL Dalyans will remember you join me for a Thanksgiving show last season. So you are the go-to holiday guy and Merry Christmas to you. Thank you, sir.

The man who will do anything to get a mention. and the backup Brit gets on the backup quarterback show. So it couldn't be more perfect. That's not true. Will is the best, an old friend. And you can hear him, of course, on Talk Sport. He's a viral superstar at this point after this season. We enjoyed calling the games together this season.

And we're going to be calling the Super Bowl together. A little breaking news here with Ross Tucker. So something to look forward to there. And yes, we're going to recap the three. Christmas games. We're going to talk a little bit about Lamar Jackson at the end of this show because a lot's going on there. And I just thought this would be a good time to do it.

And yeah, it wasn't maybe the Christmas slate that the NFL was expecting, but it had some fun moments. It had some bittersweet moments. And why don't we go to one of those? Let's go to Minnesota. Second down, Minnesota's got minus six pass yards as they motion Addison to the slot left. Snap, handoff, Addison, off the motion. 3540, outside the numbers, 45, 50, on the gas pedal, down the sideline, 1510, push toward the pylon.

He is, no signal yet. Daniel Thomas pushed him in. Touchdown! A late signal, but a fruitful one for Minnesota. Jet sweep to the stars, Jordan Addison. That was Jason Benetti. On Westwood 1, Vikings win 23 to 10, ending the Lions season. And yes, holidays can be bittersweet because it's a wonderful time with family.

And sometimes you're thinking about the people you're missing or just like time gone by. That we're all getting older. And in this football sense, watching the Lions miss the playoffs was kind of a bummer. It felt like the end of something, but that was a great play, a great call there by Jordan Addison during a game, Will, where at that point, the Minnesota Vikings had roughly 75 yards from scrimmage, like total yards on offense. And yet they were winning the game. And that one almost doubled the total yards for the game. And it was just enough in one of the best defensive performances of the season by any team by the Vikings, just ending the lion season, giving their family. a big lump of call on Christmas. Yeah, you mentioned, like, Max Brozmer, sacked seven times.

I heard Jason Bonaise say it there. He ended up with three net passing yards in total. And his feet so loud in the pocket, like, they're the two big runs and the big touchdowns, of course. But the key is they kept getting short fields because of that defensive performance. Six Lions turnovers meant they had scoring drives of 16 yards, 28 yards, four yards, 21 yards and that 65-yard jet sweep you just heard. But yeah, unbelievable performance from Brian Flores,

getting absolutely in his bag. And it's just a shame from a Vikings perspective that this is happening so late in the season. The last five weeks, they've been sensational on defense. It's crazy. They're in third place now. The lions are slated as of right now to play a last place schedule next season,

which is if you're going to crash out, that's the way to do it. Like, you might get a little help. It depends, obviously, on what happens in week 18 here. But, yeah, the Vikings have rallied all the way to 8 and 8. And it did remind me a little bit of Brian Flores, Jared Gough, matchups of the past, including a Super Bowl coordinated by Brian Flores, where the Rams only scored three points.

And if you kind of think about the lion, we'll get to a little bit of the Vikings here. But to me, the story is the lion, to turn the ball over six times, for it to end this way and to kind of think about how this Lions team really entered the national consciousness became, I feel like America's team, certainly one of NFL Daley's teams. It was the 22 week 18 game on Sunday night football where they technically had nothing to play for and they knocked Aaron Rogers in the Packers out of the playoffs. And for it to kind of flip all the way around and for them to get knocked out by a team that had really nothing to play for and you think about how this season started getting mollywop by the packers and they lose

on another holiday Thanksgiving where they're not competitive and maybe it was fitting to see Jared Goff just struggling against the blitz again and leaving a lot of questions for this lion's team heading into next season yeah you mentioned that struggle against the blitz because it felt like all those Viking pressures were like not only were they throwing all the blitzes at them and they used blitz on 55.9% of drop back six of 60. been in those situations. But what you saw is every time he were in those blitz situations, he was trying to do the right thing.

He was trying to go for the checkdown. He was trying to replace the blitzer. He was trying to offer those quick screens as well, which we know with Andrew Van Ginkle on the field, you don't want to be doing at any point. But there seemed to be this coaching point to the Vikings of if he's going to try that, get your hands up. And the number of times that, like, Jalen Redmond's just getting into a lane

and sticking his arms up in the air and we're seeing a battered down pass, time and time and time again. And it's slightly frustrating from a lion's perspective that you're just not seeing an adjustment to that, realizing that you know they're going to do this. This isn't something new. This isn't some wrinkle that Brian Flores has suddenly turned up with this week. And yet the lines just seem to have absolutely zero answer for it.

And Jared Goff just harassed all day long. Well, I think it comes down to the personnel. We talked about it a little bit in the preview show with, yes, the starting Brit, Ali Connolly, who pointed out the interior line and like this is not the lion's team that we've come to know and love Taylor Decker by the way wasn't there at left tackle and then on the interior they had two bad snaps from Kingsley Egukon as part of their six turnovers their left guard Christian Mahogany was back but their right guard is Awosika and Tate Ratledge is a rookie who's just getting beaten up and yeah the six turnovers really were the story of the day

let's actually listen to a man who I spoke with, you did too, I believe, in the locker room after a Vikings win in London, Harrison Smith, who was hearing Hall of Fame chants and said after this game that he said that was the most fun performance he's ever been a part of. He thought it was the single best defensive performance he's ever been a part of. And he's been a part of a lot of big ones. His interception late in the third quarter was a highlight to me. He's the lone setback on first out snap play action to him golf loads up and sings it over the middle intercepted by Harrison Smith he's down in Lions territory

it's the 39th of his career just the second of his season what can Notre Dame do for you Harrison Smith baiting Jared golf into throwing this football watching the film you know that when they do play action pass Jared Goff loves to throw it to his right to Amman Ross St. Brown. But Harrison Smith took a step back at the snap, given a fake read to golf that he was dropping. And as soon as golf turned around, he drove on the football, caught it with both hands. Baby Meet the Baby Carriage.

Great call there. That was Ryan Harris, who I believe is in Notre Dame grad on Westwood won. And, yeah, just a cool moment for Harrison Smith. Maybe the end of his career. Who knows? Maybe it won't be. And that was part of a sequence, Will, where there were two, straight turnover, two straight interceptions on two straight passes. That one was more on

golf. I think getting a little jumpy. You mentioned the blitz struggles. Yeah, he took three sacks, had two interceptions and a fumble all on blitzes. And he ended up having three turnovers in a four dropback sequence because he fumbled the ball to when Dallas Turner sacked him a few plays later on the next drive. Just a, just a rough day here for Jared off and it's not like they're going to do anything different at quarterback, but I do think the lions kind of lost their way. This was a team that couldn't like block and they couldn't run the ball either by the end of this season. No, and look, you mentioned the offensive line struggles. Penny Saul went out of this game briefly as well to just really compound all of that. And you've got

a third string right guard coming in and playing right tackle on top of everything else. I think the difference for me is you say, I don't think they're going to make a change at quarterback. I expect that line to look. Nor should. Yeah. And I expect that line to look healthier next season. And on the other side of the ball, I think despite the fact that over the past five weeks or so, they have had a little bit of a drop off.

Kelvin Shepard really does look like the future. They generated a season high pressure rate in this game. You know, Al-Qaeda Mohammed had an excellent game. He had six pressures in this one. You know, Max Brosmer struggled. I mentioned earlier, sacked seven times as well. So there's a lot to like about this Lions team going into next year. It feels like a season that you just, you bury the ball, you write it off, you burn the tape,

you do whatever cliche you need to do, and then you get to writing some of these wrongs in the off season. For the Viking side of it, though, I really want to feel like the fact that over, I think they're now fifth in weighted DVOA on defense, right? And they haven't allowed a passing success rate over 40% since week 12 of the season. And they've not played a bunch of Hammondegas. That's like playing the Cowboys and the Lions. But yet with, you mentioned Harrison Smith's future unclear, Eric Wilson's future unclear, they're massively over the cap for next season, despite the fact that they're playing a rookie quarterback.

Like, I don't know. I feel like they're not a team. Yeah, it does. It feels like this was an opportunity and they just threw it away. They'll feel better about it because of how it finished in December, but ultimately, J.G. McCarthy and the quarterback decisions and the quarterback play hurt them on a team that could have been competing to win games in the playoffs

because we don't know if this defense is going to be together next year whether they're going to be able to keep it together as well as it's been. And, yeah, if nothing else, they just feel better that Brian Flores got to break them at the very end. And Dan Campbell did sound a little broken after the game, which always bums me out. Brad and I have a lot of decisions to make,

you know, a lot of things to look. the what's, the whys, the, how do we improve? Because we need to improve. And even if you have the core, which you believe in, why we've got them, is that, man, it's a new, it's always a new team. You've got to find your own way, man. So it's disappointing, you know. It's disappointing.

So, but it is what it is. Oh, man. That was, I don't like seeing Indian Campbell. sad. That was the saddest one since the one where he said, we may never get back to this place in the NFC championship game. You know, maybe he was right after what we saw today. But I really feel like they will come back and they will bounce back. But it is now just a much more difficult division now. I'm sure, you know, there'll be a lot of talk going into this weekend of the fact the bears can still get the one seed. The Packers can still win the NFC North.

and despite a weird season, when they get Micah Parsons back, when everything comes back around next year. Like, this is going to be a tough out in any season for the next five plus years, it feels like. I just, I feel like the Lions are much better position than the Vikings to bounce back. It is incredible how loaded this division is. It really is.

And I know things change from year to year. Like, sometimes you'll think of division's going to be great, but I like the coaches so much in this division. And other than the Vikings, I like the quarterbacks. I, you're absolutely right. It's going to be a bloodbath every single season. And I do think the Lions can get back. They have a great nucleus.

They have a lot of great young players sign long term, but it will be a different team. David Montgomery, for instance, I noticed how he got in some hot water in Detroit about, you know, he liked some posts where they were saying they were giving the ball to Jemir Gibbs too much. There was some other comments that were like deleted. He seems like someone who might have, you might be coming. to the end of his Detroit time. And that's fine. They are just reaching that point in the team

build where some favorites are going to have to be cast aside because they really need better play on both lines. That's the number one thing. And you mentioned the Packers. I should have led with that. The Packers are in the playoffs. The Lions lost clinches it. Green Bay is in the playoffs. They're playing on Saturday night. They are still trying to win the NFC North. So no reason to think that they're going to rest starters or anything like that. You know, they could help seeding. They could win the NFC North with a little help from Chicago, but a massive turn of events here with the Lions getting passed in this division.

All right, let's go to our next game. It's the other one on Christmas Day that we knew had some playoff implications. Can Denver avoid slipping on a banana peel at Arrowhead? Fourth and eight at the Denver 26. Oladocan in the gun. Running back, Hunt off his right, three receivers right, the snap. Oludokin back to throw in a clean pocket all day. Throwing deep down the middle into the end zone,

overthrows them all. It's incomplete. It's a clean field, no penalty flags, intended for Hollywood Brown. Jayquan McMillan in on the coverage, and the Broncos defense turns away Kansas City on fourth down, and they'll move to 13 and 3. The Broncos, the number one seat at the moment in the AFC playoff race. They held on to that one seed, just barely.

That was J.P. Shadrick on Westwood one. Came down to the final Kansas City snap under 30 seconds to go. They still have a chance to tie it up. It's 20 to 13. The Broncos win. They will be watching the Chargers Texans on Saturday here in Los Angeles and rooting for a Texans victory. That would clinch the AFC West for the Broncos.

If not, it'll come down. to Week 18 Chargers, Broncos for the division, possibly for the one seed. Denver will have to keep playing almost certainly into Week 18 if they want to get that one seed. The takeaway, when I'm driving home, I watched the movie last night. I know you're asleep by now. You were working, by the way. Why were you working? Vikings Lions up until 1.30 in the morning.

You didn't have to do that. You're the boss. People don't know that. But you're the boss. You could have assigned someone else. You could have just not even taken that game. I wasn't even watching this game live. I'm like, I'm going to go see a Korean vengeful comedy.

No other choice with my buddy, Anthony Jusselnick, and we had a good time. I didn't watch this game live, I got to admit. Look, we're going to talk, obviously, about the game flow of this game and what a wild game flow it was. But the first half was so short because of those long Broncos drives that you chose to go see a career movie. I was on my way home from work. At 1 a.m. yesterday, you had this choice between.

obviously you should go to bed probably if you're in the UK. But you either had, you could watch the Broncos game, or you could start the new second half of the season of Stranger Things, which is what Netflix was pushing. Okay, yeah. The first half of this game was so short that you could have watched the entire first episode of that game of Strange Things flipped over,

and you would have been in the halftime. Like, it was shorter than an episode of a TV. It was that just quick, and it was that ridiculous how just this Bonix and this Broncos offense This dink and dunk and slow, like four possessions of 14 plus yards that took 32 minutes in this game. This was a dream for people who were staying up to one in the morning to watch this game because it meant it was over by about 3 a.m. and you could all go to bed. Fair point.

It was mid-second quarter before I even left. So I did end up watching this first half and it was ridiculous. My hottest take from this game because I don't think there's a ton moving forward to draw from this game. is that I'm impressed by the Broncos winning how they did. I don't care how it came down to the end. When you really watched the flow of this game, it was a dominant performance. They had over 300 yards.

The Chiefs had under 140. Like you mentioned, if there's only seven offensive drives and four of them go for 14 plays or more and you're scoring touchdowns on two of them, I mean, it was a good offensive performance. And the thing that I will be impressed by is that ultimately the Broncos get the ball back like mid third quarter, they're losing.

They go on a long touchdown drive. They make it happen. Bo Nix with his legs makes it happen. And then they get the ball back again in a position they probably didn't expect tied late fourth quarter. And what do they do? They go on another long touchdown drive.

And Steve Spagnolo had a clear game plan here, Will. They decided not to blitz. And Bo Necks did not get pressured much. And they just made them dink and dunk down the field. And a couple of times, you know, the Broncos make some mistakes. Cortland Sutton dropped two nice passes in the red zone. They probably would have scored a touchdown on a different drive where they had to sell for a field goal. Bo Nick's missed the pass or too early, but I thought he played pretty well.

It just was one of those nights. It's a short week. It's Christmas. The crowd's going crazy. This is kind of what even for one seeds, games look like in week 17 sometimes, even when you're playing an underman team. Yeah. And like you say, short week going on the road, against a team who, yes, they are falling apart at the seams. But, you know, Travis Kelsey, probably his last game, which I'm sure we'll get onto. There was a lot of emotion on the day. The Inception, right, Christian Fortland gets across and just makes an unbelievable play on the ball and Nick Bolton in full-tip-drill mode.

Like, that can't be on Bo Nix. The throw is placed exactly where it needs to be to pick up that first down, particularly when he's scrambling outside the pocket to his left. It's interesting what you said about the blitzing, because what I thought about this game, watching those long dinky dunky drives that we're talking about is that actually bonix 25 of 34 176 yards and a touchdown when playing in structure and i think he was only three of 10 on passes over 10 yards but they had a 55 percent offensive success rate and this was you know this is kind of what sean payton wants if he thinks this bonco's team are going to go and win games in the

playoffs as he wants them to be able to go it doesn't matter what you throw of us we'll just be able to pick it apart in the most Sean Payton way possible. We don't need to go and take those deep shots necessarily. I mean, you did your work here. I mean, it's Boxing Day. You're working on Christmas and you got like a lot of stats. That's also what I mean, by the way, why I'm relatively impressed by the Broncos here because like it shouldn't have been this close. It was like you mentioned success rate. The Chief's offense didn't really do anything. They were set up on some short fields and took advantage and Chris Oleduke and actually made a couple plays where you're like, okay, I think he's going to stay in the NFL, like he can be a second or third quarterback,

but they were still very limited. Their success rate was 28%. So that the profile of this game was that of a blowout, but a couple times, and you mentioned that Fulton tip, that interception was one of the best interceptions of the year, a third and 12 where Knicks is throwing it and just a total diving, incredible play by Fulton, who's played a little better. He's starting to play the last couple weeks, and it might mean something for him. He signed a pretty big free agency contract, and I figured he would get cut this off season, but he's looked good the last couple weeks, and Nick Bolton ends up diving to make that interception. And there's some talk. This is a little wild here, well, there's some talk in Kansas City. They got their own salary

cap stuff, would Trent McDuffie ever be on the trade block, kind of like Legerius Sneed was back in the day? Because he's coming off like kind of not a great season. And then you look tonight and on Christmas and it was like, Noah Williams is playing well. You have Fulton. You have some young guys. It just might be the type of move that they do to get some draft picks back like they once did with with Jerry's need. I guess the difficulty as well is when you made that Legerius Sneed decision, part of that decision was that you were going to pay Chris Jones and pay him big and keep him, right? And he has the penalty last night, which I thought Bonix on his cadence. We've been hearing a lot of like the centre mic over recent days with

the Phil Rivers against the 49ers last week on Monday. Like they've been really amping that thing up and I thought he did a really great job in that situation. But you've, if they're going to let Trent McDuffie go, as much as he's not had a great year this year, they need to be putting more into the front. They need to be getting more pass rush because George Clark isn't a one. Chris Jones has flashed in two or three games this year, but hasn't been the dominant guy we've seen in January of recent seasons. Like, I just, I don't know, letting a piece that good go, even if he's had a down year,

oh, that's kind of wild. I've got a question for you, though, Greg. You mentioned about, like, that you thought that, you know, the Chiefs still managed to put some stuff together. I mean, that might take it. The Chiefs are playing like third string tackles. Yes. And they've got a quarterback that basically like,

even the most ardent NFL fan probably hadn't heard of until two weeks ago. Yeah. And the Broncos get one sack in this game. And really don't get a lot of pressure on him otherwise. This is meant to be a much vaunted, absolutely top tier defense. And I don't know if they're just holding back, if they're saving themselves a little bit. But I look back over the last few games.

I look back over the performance. Particularly against the Jags, but even the Packers game, the commander's game, where they gave up a lot of yardage, a lot of points. And I just think it's clearly a good defense, but am I feeling the same way I felt about it for the first 10 weeks of the season? Am I feeling like I feel about the Texans where I'm like, that's a defense that can carry a game for you? I'm less convinced all of a sudden. Yeah. Traditionally, they also load up on these under, you know, powered quarterbacks and destroy them. And look, if you give up 140 yards, it's tough to kill the defense.

But I'm with you that you do wonder if a little bit of Vance Joseph's play calling magic is starting to run out in terms of the league catching up with them. And they're going to have to go against some really good offenses depending on the matchups. And that's why it's so important in the AFC what the matchup is. Because I think they're going to be more vulnerable to a team that I think has a loaded offense then vice versa than being able to like play a team like let's say the chargers or Texans who are you know not as good on offense so if they play the bills and the Patriots

can they keep up in a shootout that's a fair point yeah the KC was playing two tackles that did not play tack high school football which is interesting it was their fifth and six tackles as a pole and another gentleman that now is escaping me that I wasn't familiar with You mentioned Kelsey, could be his last game. It was pretty interesting that Patrick Sertan was on him for most of the game. And so he was quiet relatively. He had a couple catches early. He ends up with the most targets, the most catches on the team,

but that's only five for 36. He spoke after the game, you know, about a night where, you know, they introduced him last and he's getting emotional. And if it was the last night, it kind of felt like it. No, the only time I ever crossed my mind is I was driving in the other day and I saw how much the powerball was. And I was like, man, if I could just win that, I wouldn't have to work another day in my life. No, man. Honestly, I've been just focused on trying to win football games, man.

I let that be a decision that I make with my family, friends, the chiefs organization when the time comes. we'll see i don't know by the way i think they've got enough money in the kelsey's household without wanting that that documentary has played in my house over the recent week or so and yeah watching it back i'm like i think he's going to be fine um i do question though like as much as he's obviously like a walking hall of fame i don't think anyone's questioning his place in in NFL history and what they've achieved but how much does it say about this chief's offense right now that Pat Satam was matched up on Travis Kelsey a lot last night. I think seven occasions he was targeted twice of those, one reception, 11 yards.

Like, I know that Travis Kelsey has been their best receiver for a long time, but they just doesn't feel like, I don't know, it feels like there's a lot with this Chief's team that has to happen. We were just talking about with Lions and Vikings, which of those teams you think are set up to bounce back quickly next year. I really like, I think it was Ollie said this on, I can't remember. remember if it's on your show on his own show but they need a new voice in the room they need somebody there who's going to try and shake things up a little bit actually help with the run

game and i don't know this chief's team right now as much as this was a fun performance last night we've just picked apart why the defense is going to be great next year without major investment they're losing Travis kelsey like outside of mahomes what are we excited about about this team next season yeah yeah Xavier worthy has not really stepped up they had put Rishi Rice on injured reserve. Like the biggest play they had on offense was pass interference to worthy. They actually did not complete an air yard pass over 10 yards. Only the 10th time that that's happened all season long.

The tackle, I feel bad when I don't want to name a man. So it was Chudwabuka Godric for the chiefs playing in his first game. And yeah, you're right. The pass pro wasn't really a problem. Nick Benito's been pretty quiet. He was very hard on himself after last week's. game saying that he thought he did not play well and they have been relatively quiet shout out to the crowd in this game i just want to give a little bit of love that like they were live

they were in it they just found out that they're moving the team you know i know it's only 20 miles away but there's a lot of cheese fans that are not happy about that it's christmas night this team is out of it and i i think the home team uh gave him a good show that they're like showing my homes up in the in the booth and he's cheering after the first touchdown um i just give give them some credit uh as good fans on a on a the end of a tough season they got a lot of stick a few weeks ago as well for that charges game where there were a lot of people who left early in a three point game and so yeah they they they yeah they deserve a little bit of praise because generally i've been there before it's a pretty great crowd but there's some people who maybe think they've

rested on their laurels a bit got a little bit it's one of why Maybe it's I mean Lambo is its own thing but Arrowhead is such a unique great atmosphere and they're going to have it for what four or five more years here but there just aren't other places like that and ultimately Broncos fans you're listening Bo Nix is playing well I think he's playing his best part his best football of the season right now you did what you needed to do and who cares about style points let's take a break on the other side we are going to talk about the Cowboys, Washington game. But I'm even more interested to talk about

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Try them for free at wasabi.com. Shotgun snap, Prescott, steps up into the pocket, fires down the middle of the field, hits two, It's right at the 40, running away from the defense. Turpin to the 20, the 10. Touchdown Dallas. Cavante Turpin, if it stands, an 86-yard touchdown grab. But there is a flag down back at the 11-yard line.

Offside. Defense number four, that penalty has declined. Results of the play, touchdown. It stands in Cavante Turpin with an 86-yard touchdown grab. breaking away from the defense and breaking open this game. It's 20 to 3 Dallas with seven minutes to go in the second. That Cowboys offense. I will miss watching them.

That's J.P. Shadrick on Westwood one. Rather, that's Jason Horowitz, our friend on Westwood one. They scored three touchdowns, three possessions to start the game. Cavante Turpin, I've always wanted, you know, let's build a little more of the offense around one of the fastest players in the league. But whenever they try, it doesn't quite work. Maybe one catch, 186-yard touchdown is the perfect way to use them. The Cowboys hold on in the second half to win 30 to 23.

This is what I want out of a meaningless game in terms of playoff scenarios to start off Christmas Day. If we're going to have no playoff scenarios, just give me a lot of offense early. And that's what we got from the Cowboys. Yeah, Cowboys get out 213 lead early doors. Datt Prescott's looking absolutely sensational. Through this game, they converted six fourth downs successfully. They're around 87 offensive plays to Washington's 41, and they beat them in time of possession by 17 minutes.

Like, how is this game a one-score game at the end of it is what is beyond me to be right? Because Dan Quinn always finds a way to like make it look closer than it really was. He kicked that field goal at the end and then kicked it off, which wasn't a crazy decision over two minutes to go. It was probably his best chance to win was. hoped to get a three and out and of course they could not get a three and out and the the cowboys finished the game with the ball yeah you know what I was thinking about during this game you know we think about and on these holidays like the past

and generations before us and stuff I was think about Marty Schottenheimer this was a Marty Schottenheimer game you the first two drives had 30 plays but for the Cowboys that's the longest any first two drives have been all season in the NFL they finished with forty for rushing attempts for 211 yards. Just outrageous. They lose Javante Williams to a neck injury at halftime. And yet it didn't really matter.

Malik Davis, who was getting the ball in the first half quite a bit, goes over 100 yards on 20 carries. They're giving the ball to Hunter Lipke, their fullback as a real tailback, because they didn't have anyone else will. And they picked up a third and eight run at one point to Lipke. It was like a give up play or a set up the fourth down play, but they just got the first down anyways and they only punted one time the cowboys and that was because george pickens dropped like a easy throw from doc prescott on third nate which had cd lamb reacting like either he was mad that

george pickens dropped it or this is on my radar a little bit maybe he was mad that the ball didn't go to him i'm just kind of watching that as george pickens continues to outproduce cd lamb but yeah they completely dominated this commander's defense all day yeah and that's personally on the commander's defense which we'll get on to, but shout out to you mentioned Marty Brian Schoenheimer has been as surprising and impressive as a head coach performance I think of people that were appointed last season as I think we've really seen this year

and him and Clayton Adams between them they got in their bag, they recognised that you were able to run on this command of defence and all this interior stuff as well and they basically just went like draw, trap, power like are we going to throw absolutely everything at you we've got in our bag and it's just going to to just crush you, just completely batter those doors down.

Malik Davis at all, he had 103 rushing yards of that 93 of them came on inside carries. It was just, you know, it's meant to be the inside carry, set up the big outside place, and that's where we'll get our big place from. And nope, they just ran it up the gut time and time again. And Washington don't bring a lot of guys to the line of scrimmage. That's part of like how that, how that Danquin defense is set up. But, I mean, we just talked about with Kansas City, them needing a new voice in the room desperately. We were in Madrid when Dan Quinn took over the play calling from Joe Witt Jr.

And I was watching back the last few games, kind of preparing for, right, what could Dan Quinn throw differently at this defense that Joe, it hasn't been. And Joe, it was basically calling Dan Quinn's defense. Like, to the letter, none of the play calling has changed at all. it's still a throwback to the early 2010's Dan Quinn defenses of that kind of Seahawks mold, etc. And I don't know, they're just, when you're that predictable, you've got to have great players. And instead, they're mostly slow and old at this point. And I don't know, it's difficult to watch. It really is.

And they're two years into this. So the fact that Dan Quinn's defense has stunk both years because they basically stunk last year, despite making the NFC championship, is concerning. because they don't have schematic answers. They certainly don't have answers on personnel. Everyone's old on that defense, except for Jerzon Newton. Johnny Newton was the nickname as a draft pick. I was really high on at the time. Three and a half sacks in this game and another few quarterback hits.

The crazy thing is Dak Prescott took six sacks in this game. A lot of sacks, considering their pressure rate wasn't that high, but he was trying to make the big play. And you asked, and T.J. Bat, they had some replacements on the offensive line. You asked, how was the game close when, you know, the Cowboys were so dominant offensively? Well, it was because the Cowboys' defense was on the field. And Washington did pop a couple good runs, and Josh Johnson looked pretty good. Let's actually listen to probably what will be our last Bill Kroski-Marrick call of the year.

Josh Johnson under center for a first and 10 with a handoff over the right side. Krosky Merritt breaks free. He's at the 50 down the far side line. They won't catch him. Inside the 10, angling insolved. Touchdown Bill! His second touchdown of the day! He just rolled the sleigh 72 yards here on Christmas Day.

That laughter, by the way, is our friend Ross Tucker. It is. Joining us on the Super Bowl called... They got something in Bill. Both his touchdown runs were awesome. Like, Bill is who people think Isaiah Pacheco is. And he's got to be a role player, but here's a young player that you can have. And it might be 12 carries a game.

Like maybe he's not playing every down or whatever, but he makes people miss. Watching the prime vision, by the way, for that chiefs game, I mean, Pacheco cannot find a hole. Like, he has the worst vision of like any starting running back. They actually did a great job. That's beside the point, uh, blowing open holes. But so did the commanders. A couple of nice runs there by the commanders. That's how they kept it close as the cowboys enter in offseason where they got a

figure out a lot on defense. Mm-hmm. I thought Quinn and Williams and Kenny Clark flashed in this game. I mean, Kenny Clark Cap hit next season is ridiculous. So there'll need to be some reworking there. It was the Judavian Clowny game, a guy who I know

you've had the back of for a very long time. Six pressures, one and a half sacks. He did well in the run game as well. So he had a decent game, but yeah, they, I don't know. Not Ben don't break quite, but they just, they seem to once they were up 213, 3, maybe

a little foot off the gas bed. No, they were bad the whole time. This is actually one of the worst Eber Fluss games of the season because the commanders only had eight possessions. Even at halftime, Will, like the commanders had only had the ball three times

and they had driven, you know, they had 10 points, which points per drive, that's excellent, that's leading the league. You know, Josh Johnson averaged over eight yards per attempt. They average eight yards per play on the Cowboys. I know it wasn't perfect. Like they had a couple punts,

but they weren't making mistakes, Josh Johnson, I thought if he wanted to earn another year in the NFL. I mean, he's certainly good enough to be. Yeah, I mean, he's 39 to 40 years old. He's been in the NFL or been in professional football like 17 years. But yeah, he could come in. The reason I called for that highlight, I totally forgot was that was a funny moment in the game because I don't know if you had this.

You had a different situation on Netflix, but Clinton Portis was like part of the broadcast at that moment. And Netflix was popping in old stuff. stars throughout the day, giving it kind of a preseason vibe, but they had bad connections. It was a bad idea. But the best moment of the day in terms of the guests where Clinton Portis popped in, first of all, you know, just love hearing him. And literally one play in, you know, Bill pops that run. So it was like, it was like the vibes of Clinton Portis led them to a touchdown.

We got the ones where they were on the call. So like Chris Carter popping up in the Vikings game randomly, for example. We did get a few of those, but nothing, nothing in the interim. And we got our little Scott Hanson, Kyle Long, showing us tweets from all around the world and telling us how football works, which was... Okay, okay. Well, you're an expert, but... No, no, I tell you, I was listening to the great man, Ross Tucker. That's what I was doing.

I'm just kidding. And listening to the Westwoods. We just had commercials. I guess that was the difference is you don't get the commercial. So, yeah, rough game. And, like, Washington didn't have two of their offensive line when Biotis got hurt in this game. Tunsel was out for this game. And so that's why I think it was even worse by the Cowboys defense.

week 18 you know they're they're going to be in the mix for draft positioning i'm in the mix to at least save myself and get to that eight eight and one that i say i've been saying since the day they had that tie i said this team i don't know how they're going to get there but they're going to get to a eight and one it's going to be annoying but they it will happen and they have i believe i believe the giants next week so they got a chance to do it jake ferguson and javanti williams got hurt in this game so it'll be a little higher If not, I think I have to do something for Nick Wright, like put up his signage of his show in the background of our show, something like that. So I need them to get that eighth win for me.

I think they can do it. You say that. You did, obviously, this is from your over-under draft with Nick. Yes. We did a similar thing on Talk Sport where we were looking through those records. And I, very famously amongst my friends, went on air earlier in the year and went, are you really telling me that a 15 win team are going to drop down to. who eight and a half wins because they lost Sam Darnold, banged the over on eight and a half on the Vikings.

Well, you know what? And it turns out that if they beat the Packers in the last week of the season, scraping in at the last second. That was one of my draft picks too. I had my worst year ever doing that. So that was disappointing. All right, that's the Cowboys win. They're up to 7, 8, and 1.

Now it is time for quarterback keeper presented by Snap Dragon. I said we'd finish the show talking a little Lamar Jackson. He's doubtful for Saturday night. So very unlikely he plays that game. You know, very unlikely, I think, that they win that game with Tyler Huntley. And so then you kind of think Lamar Jackson's season is probably over. We've been talking about the possible, you know, Sayanara for John Harbaugh on this show now for a couple weeks. I think it's time.

Mike Preston, who has been writing columns for the Baltimore Sun for a couple decades, wrote a fascinatingly timed one after Lamar Jackson was already missing practice that he thinks Lamar Jackson and John Harbaugh could be headed for a breakup and posited it as a potential opportunity right now to trade Lamar Jackson. When the columnist in town writes this piece, it doesn't happen in a vacuum. The timing is purposeful. I want to get into some of the specifics of it, but that plus what I already was thinking about the situation

to me is really fascinating, and I expect the Ravens season to end on Saturday night, and they really are the most fascinating team to watch this off-season. The Chiefs are pretty close. The Lions are in the mix. It's some of the good teams this year that are really interesting watch, but the Ravens are at the top of my list. What were your takeaways from,

this article and and just the lamar jackson story right so i did uh a potentially slightly you know i don't know anyone on boxing day who's making such a wild decision as this i went to raven's reddit because i really wanted to get an impression of what the fans thought of mike preston as a writer of the timing of this piece like you say you know you're not a fan we you get guys like whether it's grant home with the 49ers or omar kelly with the dole with the dolphins who like, they might sometimes write good stuff. Grant Cohn's case, probably not, but like they are divisive to say the least. And I did find a piece that somebody posted from 2005 where Mike Preston absolutely

buries Brian Billick because of his treatment of Ray Lewis and holding him up too highly and letting him get away with whatever he wanted to and not having him be a leader. And essentially it reads very similarly to this. to this Lamar Jackson piece. Slightly differently in terms of it to a different age and we're not getting video games and late for practice and things like that with Ray Lewis. But I don't know, it felt like a hit piece.

Like it felt like it was targeted and it felt like it was something that was designed to make a change happen. The problem is, it's really interesting. Like, as you know, I've been doing this Channel 5 stuff here in the UK recently, which you've done previously on the Monday Night Football. But they do for the 1pm Eastern Games,

The show is very much designed to be a bit more of a layman show. It's designed for like new fans and trying to track people in. And they bring in celebrity guests who quite often aren't big NFL fans or kind of follow it like semi closely. And the guy who was on this week's a comedian called Sean Walsh. And he was asking me, I head coach firings in the NFL like manager firings in football where guys last like six months and just disappear. And I'm like, no, of anything quite a lot of the time in the NFL, it's the opposite. It's, you know, we get these situations like Mike Tomlin, like. John Harbour, where we're all questioning, are they really the future of the franchise,

several times over the course of the last few years, and either consistently get proven wrong, or you just get that bite back of what, look at what they've achieved, look at what they've achieved, look at what they've achieved over and over. I just, my feeling on this is always, there is only one goal in the NFL. There's only one team that win at 32. There is only one trophy to lift. And if you really don't feel like, if you feel like I've got a generation, quarterback, which is what Lamar Jackson is, and you don't feel like what's happening in the building is working to get that guy to that place, then maybe it is time to make a change. I mean, trading Lamar Jackson's insane. I have so many thoughts about this. And I quote tweeted it. And I got a lot of people misinterpreting what I was saying. And what I said was that after reading this, I'm even more convinced that Lamar and John Harbaugh are not going to be together. year and it would be insane to trade lamar jackson that's my main takeaway it's not that everything

in the piece is true it's that the existence of the piece speaks to an incredible fracture between john harbaugh and lamar jackson and it reads from the outside to someone's airing of grievances of lamar jackson that it's desperation time it's fourth down john harbaugh's career might be at the 47-yard line and his Hail Mary is letting this thing out because it doesn't come out in a total vacuum. And there was like no sourcing here. And some of the bigger accusations in the piece, which we're interesting to see, whereas that, you know, Lamar Jackson sometimes is asleep at meetings, that Harbaugh is

kind of sick of him and how he... I think maybe approaches the game that he shouldn't be up late at night, like playing video games. That was the most ridiculous one. That they've moved practices to the afternoon, I think, in training camp, I believe, or because of Lamar Jackson. Oh, like some of those are probably, they all probably have varying degrees of truth. And there's probably some truth to a lot of it.

And frankly, it's stuff that has been buzzed around that building and outside of the building. since Lamar's contract negotiation a few years ago. You would hear that almost the exact same stuff coming out kind of from the Ravens side of things. So it might not all be coaching stuff, but maybe front office, it might. Who even knows? I'm sure there's elements of truth to all of it. My bigger thing was the fact that this is all coming out right now is like, oh, come on. Because Lamar is going to see that.

Everyone in the organization is going to see that. John Harbaugh goes up on the podium the next day and says he has an A plus plus relationship with Lamar Jackson. And I'm just thinking everyone inside that building knows the truth. And now everyone outside the building is starting to realize the truth because me, Doth protest too much. And I don't care how many picks you're going to get for Lamar Jackson, I think it'd be crazy to trade him. And if you even considered trading him will, I think it'd be even crazy. to trade him and keep John Harbaugh. Like, like, if, if for some reason you want to entertain this,

you still are making the coaching change and you're, and you're making a full scale, like, huge change. And I don't even want to get into what they would need to come back. Like, none of that makes sense to me. Because I think the obvious thing here to do is find the right coach for Lamar Jackson. Yeah. What are we talking? We don't need to sit here and list.

We don't need to sit here and list it off, right? The two-time MVP should have. potentially won it again last year, very close in the voting, apparently, like, yes, there is this knock against all of these guys, whether it's him, whether it's Josh Allen, whether it's obviously Joe Barrows made it to a Super Bowl, but all these other AFC quarterbacks who haven't got there. But as we've talked about a lot in the last few weeks, as the Chiefs went out of the playoffs, it's like, oh, wow, this is going to be the first time in however many years, it's not

Brady or Mahomes. It's so, like, it's been so dominated by certain teams that I don't think that means that the Ravens have necessarily failed, I think this year they will see as a failure because they went into the year, very high hopes. You know, you think about the continuity coordinator, you think about continuity on the defence, like they really thought that this year could be a year they contend. And they're going to look at it from the outside if they don't make it in and go, yeah, no more homes there. This could have been the year that we stormed the castle and, you know, turned up in Santa Clara in four, five weeks time. And instead, they're going to be sitting and,

you know, attending pro bowl games, etc. on that week. So there will be a huge amount of frustration, but to trade Lamar Jackson would be insanity. Like honestly. He's about to turn 30. I do think it's okay to recognize that there are elements of the column that are worth talking about, including most importantly about his body potentially breaking down. And that was what Preston said he didn't think he thinks Lamar is as tough a competitor as there is like he wants to be out there but the injuries are starting to pile up the running ability in two of the last three years because I think people kind of forget that he didn't look quite the same running the ball in 23 either before he looked incredible in 24 that like Mike Vic talked to

Lamar Jackson at some point like you do have to protect your body run a little bit less Lamar's always been great about that. Like, there are things to think about in terms of maximizing the rest of his career, of course. And if approach to the game as part of it, of course. Like, I think about another quarterback in that division, Ben Rathesberger, who, to me, famously adjusted his approach mentally, physically, everything when he got into his 30s and was better, like very much relied less on his physical ability.

And Lamar's always been great mentally in the game. So that's not a question. He's a great pocket quarterback. He should age well, but finding the right coach for him to do that is really important. And Chris is in the comment saying, I should mention that it's a Baltimore son columnist, not a reporter. And to that, I would say when you're that columnist, and I know Preston, I have thoughts about, I think he's ultimately like, it's good to have one of those guys in town. And he might be serving a lot of different like sources and stuff.

but he knows the truth. He knows what's going on. And I know a lot of Ravens fans kind of don't like him because he stirs it up a little bit, but these things don't happen in a vacuum. So honestly, it coming from him, even as a columnist, that's what a columnist is there for, is actually a column like this,

even if you don't, like, totally love it because it does say something about it. We don't have to wrap up here, but I do want to remember that was quarterback keeper presented by Snapdragon, learning more at snapdragon. dot com slash laptops just just fascinating snapdragon getting their money's worth here with a meaty lamar jackson uh segment i just to finalize the point you were making because i think the ben rothlisberger

comparison is fascinating what this isn't is russell wilson what this isn't is early career success with a brilliant run game great scrambler great deep ball thrower but did he have the capacity to be a pure pocket or mike vick is a good example too like yeah another yeah another one like what are we talking about here. Lamar is like one of the all-time greats who's had like even this season, which was, you know, not great for him was like, of course you're betting on that guy to have a good, you know, sorry to cut your idea. No, no. I think at some point a full story of this season might come out where we find out about like just how healthy was he when he was playing because there was that six week stretch where he just wasn't running the ball at all. I think over six

weeks he had fewer yards total than his average per game in his career up until that. that point. And you're just, you were surprised he wasn't using that part of his game because it clearly wasn't necessarily designed that way, but get in one of these kind of young, offensive genius types who can, whether that's as a coordinator or as the head coach and Mike McDaniel to Baltimore, I've been, I've been speaking it. I was speaking Mike McDaniel to Kansas City as a run game coordinator for quite a while. But actually, I'd sure he'd rather take a head coaching job with Lamar Jackson, uh, in a heartbeat. Like I, that's the kind of guy that if you get them in there and they're younger,

they can connect with Lamar better, and they can design an offense that is more suited to his skills at 30, maybe than 24, I still think this is a team that can go on and win, not just a Super Bowl, potentially multiple over the next day. Whoa, okay, let's. No, I mean.

Yeah, I mean, I think he could, but so much needs to go into it. We are in the post-Drake May world, of course. So, you know, we're not going to get, it's now going to be. Holmes May, Mahomes, May. It's one of my favorite Damashik bits. Like, there's only so many Super Bowls to go right.

Everyone says, oh, he's going to get one. He's got to get one. It's like, if Mahomes is taking so many, and you got the Eagles who are getting back. But this year, it is wide open. Josh Allen, by the way, is going to play this weekend. We learned that from Bill's coach, Sean McDermott. Some other injury news,

Soss Gardner is going to return for the Colts this weekend, but they lost to Forrest Buckner for the rest of, of the season after he re-injured his neck that that's not great tristan worths is out for the the buccaneers so that was just something i was keeping an eye on because i picked the dolphins in that game i kind of feel like the the buccaneers have a little bit of a death which at least at the very least i think they're going to cover uh five and a half points there this was a pleasure will if we were casting the nfl daily you know christmas play you're playing santa i mean you're just, you know, I'm not trying to typecast, but you're just a jolly, pleasant guy to see

over the holidays. And I do love talking football with you. And I'm looking forward to that Super Bowl, too. So what many people won't know is as a 20 year old student living in Leicester in the Midlands, I got offered the opportunity to be Santa, not only at like a local, like, the kind of council run local free visit Santa thing, but I also ended up being the one that went on the float at the big turning on of the Christmas lights and everything else in i did have to still wear a suit despite the fact that i'm a man of substantial carriage uh and with the big beard and everything else and so i have been publicly in front of a crowd of quite literally hundreds of people uh as santa's so i've been well cast it's it's the beard it's it's

wonderful and yeah no will's will's the best and i'm glad he's been been recognized this year as a as a great play by playman for talk sport you can check him out on TalkSport. You can also check out a new podcast. He is doing called Across the Formation. So everyone go and like and subscribe to that. That's on podcast app. That's on YouTube.

And you can check out TalkSport there as well. It was a pleasure. We will be back on Sunday. It's a little bit lighter of a Sunday slate, but we have those two big Saturday games. Jordan Rodriguez is going to be boots on the ground. Give us an in-person update. She's going at Texans' Chargers. We also have that Packers' Ravens game.

Eagles, Bills is a fun one on Sunday. I cannot wait. Merry Christmas to everyone. We'll see you next. You hear that? That's the sound of the group chat going off when your fantasy team scores another touchdown in the playoffs. I'm J.J. Zachary Esen,

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