NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Class of ’19 QBs and Canada love

Episode Date: August 5, 2020

A bunker filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal and Marc Sessler bring you all of the latest news surrounding the NFL including the opt-out deadline for players (4:20), Matt Stafford's false positive (10:00) , and another update of "keeping up with Bohringer" (18:05). Nate Tice joins the show to go over the class of 2019 QBs and why Daniel Jones is going to make all the draft analysts look bad (23:10). Stay tuned for a top 10 reasons why Dan loves Canada that sets Marc off (52:10) .Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys? It's happening. Big week. We two of training cramp. Let's go. Training cramp. A lot of guys are going to get cramps.

You know, these guys are going to be in shape? I don't know. I'm very, we touched on it on this show that you've got to be a little. little bit of worried about guys being able to stay healthy once this thing kicks off. And again, MLB is the guinea pig. And I feel like half of the premier starters in the league have elbow or shoulder injuries right now. Right. You know, these athletes are like so finely tuned and they run on a schedule.

We take them off the schedule and then we're going to be ramping them up to full speed. Just another challenge facing us. I think, uh, our league like they're in. incredible like in the mirror shape like there hasn't been much else to do until they've been working out at home or in the gym or whatever but people that you know football players and coaches love to talk about the difference between being like in shape and football shape and the only recipe for football shape is to put on those pads and hit that's what I say when I play football well yes you do I mean I I feel like if anything like the low bar was set on how I

treated my body during the last five plus months these guys you You saw them. They're all over the place. They're just in unusual areas exercising, though, these strange, like, abandoned high schools, lawns here and there. So I don't know. It just doesn't seem the same to me, but this isn't 1971 where a dude rolls in 27 pounds overweight with, like, you know, drinking, you know, with beer cans rattling in the backseat of his car. Marquis-Brown added 23 pounds this off-season. I mean, that's a lot on 157-pound frame he pulled out last year. That's a big number. We're not big guys. Like, how, what would it take for?

for us to add 20 it's not 23 pounds of like muscle or a stomach flap it's like muscle that's not easy to do on his body shape i'd like to uh well initiate an investigation on to how that i'm sure it's going to go great i'm sure you know even though he's like a smaller football uh player you know compared to others his his body shape is in no way similar even at 157 pounds compared to mine i'm not talking about you no no it is it couldn't be more dissimilar than my body at this point it's a good mark today's show is a good one but yeah no i can see it i could see it it looks like the shoulders a little more a little more definition than even a couple months ago so i see you're working at it and i respect you for it well thank you're scaring that he's scaring that

landscaper in the backyard with all the workouts he's i haven't had in fact he uh an update this is the day a wednesday that he should be um returning to you know he's you know does a great job and he's paid well he just didn't return so Are you going to exchange news with them? I don't know if that triggered developing slash breaking news. You're moving. Are you going to continue the relationship after you leave? No, no.

Two ships passing in the Western Los Angeles night. Interesting. All right. Coming up on today's show, Nate Tice, son of former Vikings head coach, Mike Tice, a former quarterback in his own right. And he does really nice work. In the tape study game, we're going to speak with Nate. about some of the quarterbacks in our league,

focusing on the 2019 draft class and another notable veteran that we'll get to. So looking forward to that conversation. But before we do that, we hit the news. Mr. Mr. Unlimited. Let's stick a pin in that. I want to save that for a little later in the news. Yeah, just, yeah.

just stick a pin in that. Let's start Mr. Unlimited with the much scrutinized opt-out deadline. We know that many players, dozens of players across the NFL have decided to opt out of the 2020 season because of the COVID-19 pandemic. And the NFL had come under fire, Devin McCordy of the Patriots, namely the NFL trying to move up the deadline. and McCordy had stated, hey, that puts players in a bad situation. Well, we have a little more clarity on that now. The deadline for NFL players to opt out of the 2020 season will be Thursday at 4 p.m. Eastern, the league said in a letter to the NFL Players Association, the union agreed to shorten the window

between the finalizing of the agreement and the opt-out deadline, which was supposed to be originally seven days. But there's an exchange, some concession, in the final language to make both sides happy. So Thursday is the deadline. We'll see if there's like a deluge of players. I know some are still considering it.

And we're seeing, you know, a handful of opt-outs every day, at least. We're over 50. You know, it hasn't been, I don't know if it's been more or less than people expected, but I think it's a reminder to a lot of people. There's more than 2,300 players in the league right now, you know, when the off-season rosters are so big. So, like, the percentage of players opting out or the percentage of players, you know, testing positive or going on to the COVID list, you know, has been, it feels like it's a lot, but then you look at the numbers and it's less than 3, 2% of the entire league. Trinavius White, the bill's cornerback, said he was, you know, going up to the deadline of trying to decide whether he'll opt out or not.

That, you know, we'll know by the time some of you hear this, so we don't need to get too deep into that. It'll be out of date. But that shows you some big-time players, at least one we know, is considering all those options. And it's got to be difficult for players because the X-factor no one's talking about is like, well, you can make, you can make, your teams are spending millions of dollars making the places as safe as possible. But you still have to play football in the end. And that's the unsafe part of it. You know, that's where you're rubbing up against another body for hours on end. And that's not going to happen in practice for a few more weeks.

and obviously in the season for what, six more weeks? Yeah, I think there's a reason when you look at the percentages, like you mentioned, to be as optimistic as we've been able to be up to this point, that it's not going to snowball and take out 50% of players. It's low. But at the same time, I mean, I would like to see players have a chance to engage in, you know, physical activity the way that real football is going to be and see what that does to coronavirus before some of these players have to make

their decision. I mean, there are future chances for opt-out. If a player were diagnosed out of nowhere to be a high-risk corona candidate, or if that happened to one of their family members or they went into the hospital, I mean, there can be additional opt-outs, but that's much murkier. And I don't know. I just think that in a way, the deadline to me feels a little bit unfair for a decision that circulates through your whole family. It's not an isolated decision you're making on your own as a player. It's a credit to the players for Getty in the first place, because in theory, the NFL didn't have to do anything. The CBA was signed. Now, this is unforeseen circumstances, but I appreciate, actually, there has at least so far been some meeting in the middle between the two sides that it hasn't been too rancorous, and the players got pretty much what they wanted in terms of these opt-outs.

A couple other notable opt-outs since the last time we spoke with you on Monday. Marcus Gilbert, right tackle Arizona Cardinals. He figured to be in the mix for a job there this year. He decides to opt out. He had been on the active NFI list with an illness. So unclear if that's directly COVID-related, but he opts out. And also wide receiver of the Miami Dolphins, Albert Wilson. He is the second Dolphins wide out to opt out.

Alan Hearns did so. Last week, Wilson also appeared to be in line for a nice role in the Dolphins offense. No more. will not see him again until 2021 at the earliest. They also have Preston Wilson, who was kind of under the Raider as an undrafted guy who was incredible last year, was one of the best rookie receivers in a great rookie class early on until he tore his ACO. I really love watching this guy play as a deep threat.

And so he's still on the PUP list, so he's coming off an injury. And man, I don't know, those, you got Chan Galey and you got Fitzpatrick and you got, you know, Tua, but I don't know, that collection of weapons, you're asking a lot for fits or for Tua to really survive in a brand new offensive line. This doesn't make it any easier. These weren't key players for them, but it is just not a deep or particularly talented looking offense. Right. And if you were to take away or look past Devante Parker's lone breakout season, I mean, it would be a very concerning. It's what we talked about. Like if a position group loses two to three people because of this, in the NFL,

the depth is just not there. And so I think it's concerning. It probably slows to us entry into the starting lineup. Maybe. I don't know. I mean, they had eight players catch over 20 passes last year. I mean, they have guys they can spread it around to. But this is, it's just like a worst case scenario for a young quarterback where you're losing two productive wideouts. Good news in Lionsland. Matthew Stafford, who had tested positive for the COVID-19. and was put on the list this weekend. He is now off the list because the Detroit lines announced Tuesday that the quarterback had a false positive test. So good news there for Stafford. He doesn't have COVID-19. Yeah, buddy.

Congratulations. You know, his wife was really upset. She's had some, you know, negative reactions from some creeps who have seen her family in public, you know, since they found out that they were. false positives and, you know, given her, wait, really? Yeah, it's rough.

Called it a nightmare. And she was angry with the NFL. She was angry with the NFL. And I think there is something maybe the NFL can learn from this and the Gardner-Minshew situation, which is, you know, do you have to announce it right away? I don't know. Maybe there is a way that's like, let's make sure we know whether he's really got it or not because it created this whole news cycle with Stafford and Minshu where it turned out

that they both ended up testing, you know, positive, I mean, negative, and, and created a lot of anxiety, you know, and you're going to have that anxiety for the players behind the scenes, you know, when you get the false positive. And that's natural. I'm not, you know, false positives are going to happen. This is what testing is. Like, this is science. But maybe you don't have to, like, put them on the list right away. I don't know if there's some. in between that they can pull off. Right, because this is happening because the way the NFL works, the transaction wire is something that's updated regularly. So that begins the news cycle. But I agree with you, especially when there's not really a lot going on right now.

There's nothing going on right now. Yeah, and there's not a lot of access to the teams for reporters. So if a guy's not at the team facility for a couple days, it's not like anybody would know either way. That seems like a pretty easy fix just to kind of give it a little bit of a buffer period. Yeah, I think it shows, you know, mentioning Kelly Stafford, who they've been through a ton as a family in the last year, and where she talked about the schools basically saying no to your kids, like they reached out to the Staffords, according to her report, and that she went to the grocery store and was approached by someone saying, again, this was after they knew that everything was negative. Right, but it wasn't public, yeah. Right, they wasn't public, but they walked into a grocery store and were approached by someone saying that you're endangering others.

So it's just like, it's not just the player. We focus on the player, but there's so many other limbs and elements to this that make it, like, the release of information, I think you're right, needs to be pristine before we throw people into the chaos here. Got to need that rapid testing in the season, too, for situations like this. You know, if this happened on a Saturday, you know, that's going to be problematic. Right. All right, let's talk about this Russell Wilson video that went viral. It went viral on Tuesday. It doesn't even need a setup. Erica, just play it for us, okay?

Hey, guys, Russell here. Yes, the typical boring, yes, Russell, the robot Russell, the one you guys love to know. Real, real, real exciting. You know, I'm real exciting. But anyway, everybody has to have an ultra ego, right? And I've been thinking about what my alter ego would be. And I think I have an alter ego.

His name, his name's Mr. Mr. Unlimited. You've got to be unlimited. They've got to have a thought process of being unlimited. So when people ask you, you know, what you're thinking about or what you want to do in life or where you want to go, you got to be unlimited. Tell them, I'm unlimited. You know what I mean?

So when they ask you certain questions like, Who brings your motivation, Russell? Mr. Unlimited. Who's your role model, Russell? Unlimited. Who is your go-to person for advice, Russell? They think Pete Carroll, they think this person, think that person. Love you, Pete.

But it's Mr. Unlaman it, Tom. You know, we've heard for years that Wilson, for whatever reason, and we've heard different reasons, is not a guy that's necessarily universally embraced in the locker room. And I guess I'm specifically referring to the great Seahawks teams of your, the Legion of Boom teams, that he wasn't always a great locker room fit. And you know what? Again, Russell Wilson does not seem like a bad guy, but he seems like, you know, so cheesy.

He's just so cheesy. You can't even, like, it makes you cringe listening. I struggled to get through that. Of course. You mentioned how you enjoyed the beginning, and I only listened to it once because I couldn't do it twice. And you're right, actually, that the beginning was a little bit more of a window into his soul. It reminded me of some. Yeah, he's searching.

Sometimes when you try to like, when you do my voice of what you think I'm in your head or whatever saying to what I'm thinking, like that was it. He was inside his own head thinking of what we think about him. He's like, oh, yeah, I'm real exciting. You think I'm really, I'm the real exciting, Russell. I don't know. Apparently this video is two years old. We didn't know that at the time. I don't know why it's being serviced now.

Who cares? He's the one who pressed play and then he chose to send it out. Yeah, I don't think it may be two years old, but I don't think there's a whole totally different Russell Wilson. play right now. It is the unfriendly mixing of athletes who lean heavily on motivational, internal levers that they can see the world differently, and extremely cynical journalists who are just not going to sign up for that. I don't picture Dan in his room with headphones on listening to like, Dan's like Mr. Invincible, I mean, maybe, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe we're getting close. I don't know. The logic fell apart because

Russell said he goes to Mr. Unlimited for advice. So that's confusing. Well, I would throw this. Who does he go to for advice? He goes to Mr. Unlimited. I think that I would say this. There's probably his alter ego. There's a heavy spiritual element to this, which it sounds

pulled partially from like a daily devotional type thing that a lot of athletes do to. Again, not your average journalist is digging into that world. So I just think it's, I don't know who, he's he's not going to fare well with the blogger slash podcaster type for the most part. That was a sneaky flex by Sessler there too.

He's like, you know, not your average journalist is going to know the kind of story behind this. I don't know what it is. I'm not your average journalist. I thought it was as clunky as the next guy, but I also just think that whatever, if you're a Seahawks fan, if that's what your quarterback needs to play that way, I sign my quarterback up for it too. We're not that cynical.

We're just, you know. You're not cynical. It's just good for some jokes. We're good for. jokes. It's a good, it's a good source for jokes. Look, I, Erica and I have experience rooting on a Hall of Fame quarterback who sometimes does some like cringy social media or public things. It's, you know, when you're the fan, you're like, you're always defending them and you don't really care because as long as it's still Russell Wilson in the field.

We'll take it all. Give me a break. Man, it is a small price to pay for having one of the great quarterbacks of the last 50 years on your roster. Exactly. So I did like your tweet, Greg, last night, that Gino Smith is looking better and better. Oh, yeah. I'm a bench. Oh, man. You know, people used to say it's like, oh, he's a problem in the locker.

I don't know. Gino might have the support of the locker room. You might want to. At some point, at some point, I think Seahawks fans have to look at, like, is this worth it? Is it a distraction? You know, is this going to fly in the locker room? And who else is there? Who else could be taken over, Gino Smith?

Maybe trade him to the Patriots for a third round pick. Get rid of that distraction. I would have a little of that. All right. And finally, and this is an update I never wanted to have happened, but here we are. And now, another edition of Keeping Up the Boeing. The news from Tom Pellett. of NFL network, Moritz Bowringer, the former Vikings draft pick, the first foreign-born

player to get drafted into the NFL without even playing a college snap, has come to the end of the road with the Cincinnati Bengals and maybe American professional football. Pelisero reports that Cincinnati has cut the tight end turned wide receiver. and obviously, Mark, this is sobering, and 2020's been a tough year and it's not getting easier right now because Mobo needs a job. Yeah, I mean, Dan, I know you've had your own ups and downs during this whole corona stretch and this was not the news that you needed. I mean, from a flip side, he's a friend of the show, he doesn't know that he is, but I think

that any of us, if you were in a job for four plus years and largely, you know, you know, invisible in terms of your productivity, you'd probably be thinking they might move on from you at some point, too. I don't wish it on him, but, you know, he's had a long, soft period here to prove that he belongs. Tell me if you think he does, and I'm being too harsh on him. Well, he doesn't know he's a friend of the show, but he is a friend of a friend of the show. Hanson Hank, Henry Hodson. And it's funny, we basically did this same, same, you know, routine like a year or two ago when he got cut somewhere else, and we thought it was the end. So Dan's tried to dig dirt on Mobo a few times, and he has this fun, and we know Henry

doesn't like it. And maybe it's not over. Maybe another team picks him up. Then we're going to do this whole song. Is Dan kicking dirt? I never saw it as that. I never saw it as kicking dirt. I was following the man's career.

He was a unique case study in the history of our league. And I, as luck would have it, had a nice dinner last night with Handsome Hank. in Playa del Rey, here in Southern California. And he was a little upset when I said, listen, I've got to do one last update. Because he was invested. Yeah, he doesn't take well to it. He doesn't seem to like the vice president of international for NFL, NFL.

So he wanted to see Movo make it. He helped this career happen. I mean, that's being real. He was part of the process of the international player pathway and movement and everything that Mobo ended up representing. So it's like losing a sun. I would say here's the acid test. Mike Mayock on that infamous draft day called up Mike Zimmer and said,

take a shot on this guy, Mo B. Now Mike Mayock is in perfect position to say, you know what? It might not be over. Well, it's like, listen, you could add him to the Raiders and see how he does in Las Vegas. He seems like it. Mo seems like an interesting guy to throw into the Las Vegas milieu. Go take your flyer.

Do it. The pathway program. He's free. At the very least, you have the pathway program that allows you to kind of stash him and develop them. We've been doing this for some time. At a certain point, the scholarship has to wrap up. But I hope he gets one more chance. I mean, there's no other podcasts out there devoting four minutes to Maurice Bowringer in the year 2020.

Right. August. They've got the stash part of them. They're all there for one and two. It's a big shiny story on draft day. We stay. We stay there. And that's what Henry never understood that this was a lot.

always a passion project for this podcast. And I hope this passion project has not come to a conclusion. He opened the door, too. There's been F.A. Abada. I tried to get out of it here. You know, there's, you know, there's successful, more, you know, active players who's come through the program since. Henry should appreciate, too, that if we're going to follow a player as, as completus, the way that we have with Moby, it's not all sunshine. I mean, there's going to, you got to go down the dark alleys and be there with them for that too. So Henry needs to understand that from a PR angle. We're not a PR firm. We're, you know, we're going to call things the way that we're a news agency. I will never be having dinner with Henry after this comment probably. And F.A. is a success

story of the highest magnitude. In fact, over dinner last night, Henry reminded me, we were at, of course, the Panthers, Buccaneers game last year at the Big Tot. And after the game, Henry found FAA crying tears of joy because he had played in front of his home country in front of 75,000 people the pathways program the international expansion

of the NFL all beautiful things and Mo Bo we believe in you Ricky And that was another addition of keeping up with both That's what's That's what's happening in the news.

all right as promised Nate Tice jumps on to the podcast at a very strange time perfect time yeah Moritz Bowringer update

I know that was great his run with the bangles yes what's up Nate welcome to the round the NFL podcast I appreciate you have me on I guess doing it

doing very well Nate did I have to comment with Tiffany or something like that like I had to enter in with like a Tiffany song playing from the mall Is that what we're doing?

Maybe. It's a possibility. Yeah, we might struggle to get Tiffany cleared, but maybe something that sounds like Tiffany would be affected. Do you like product? Yes. Yeah, exactly. As he said at the top of the show,

Nate describes himself on Twitter at Nate underscore Tice as a life journeyman. And he's all about that Randy ratio for life. What is the Randy ratio? You know, in typical my dad fashion, you know, he always has great ideas. He just doesn't know how to sell them. So, you know, he had a great thought, like get the ball to the best player on the team, Randy Moss. If we do this, we're going to win the game.

It was almost like the run-and-back carry stat that we've now realized this kind of, eh. But he, on his opening press conference, decided to tell the rest of the league what his plan was. Let's get Randy Moss the ball 40% of the time. And he came up with a clever name for it. He called it the Randy ratio. And that became one of many plot lines. Your dad really provided more, I was at Pro Football Talk for part of it. I mean, he provided more content than just about any coach.

He just can't help himself. Yeah, exactly. No, I know he was excited. He probably came up with that name and, like, a little think tank. I've never actually realized who came up with that name. But I was with the rest of the world during that press conference. But I understood why he was doing it, but maybe how he appreciated. the idea might have been a little, a little iffy.

I'm sure he took out the pencil behind the ear and jotted it down as soon as he came up with Randy Ratio. He's like, oh, yeah, that's a winner. Mine's mechanical. So I realize that I've become my dad is that I gnaw my cheek. If you ever look at all his old pictures, I go like, yes. So if you'll see pictures of him, he'll be sitting there just like, not as cheek. And I'm like, I'm not like my dad. And then my aunt's coming pictures side by side of us.

I was just like, oh, yeah, this is good. This is good. Love this. I just hope the weight gain stays off. All right. So, Nate, you are, you're really, you know the game. You understand the game. Obviously, you come from a coaching family.

You played the game, and you're really good at breaking down tape. And we thought it would be fun to talk to you about some of the 2019 guys from last year. But I wanted to start with a veteran and start with Derek Carr, who, this is an important. year obviously for Carr. I think you have some thoughts about him entering this season that we're interested here on the show. But I also want to play something that went down just yesterday in a Zoom meeting between or a Zoom press conference between Carr and Raiders reporters. Here's what Carr had to say about the idea of playing this season or opting out. I have a lot to prove to myself. I have a lot to prove to my organization. I'm going to be completely honest. I'm tired of

being disrespected. So there was no question I was going to play this year. Well, you know, most athletes They're going to always find Something to motivate them I don't know if you can say it every year That you're being disrespected You know, if you say it every season before You used to coach

You used to what be an offensive coach For reporters early in Derek's career So you watched him And so was he a guy that, you know He noticed people talking I mean he could be talking about his owner Or his coach They kind of disrespected it

Mark Davis essentially said publicly I'd rather have Tom Brady. Exactly. And that's the thing. It's like a lot of these athletes, they look for any motivation they can get, you know, when you're already paid here. So the first, I feel like being around Derek, that first goal, and I think a lot of players' goals, and I'm just going to be blunt about it to get that second contract, you know, get off the rookie deal and get paid. I mean, really. And I think that's what a lot of his motivation early on, not just that. He wanted to win MVP. He wanted those things. And I think now he was like, oh, that's not good enough. So his

motivation has maybe changed. And it's now, it's, oh, I'm being disrespected. I did all that. But it's also one of those things is, if NFL is, is you got, what have you done for me lately? I mean, it's the ultimate league in that. So it's, you know, it's, it's his way to find motivation, but you also have to prove it.

So I'm trying not to, like, disavow or go against what Derek is saying, but you kind of have to prove it. Well, we're putting you in a tough spot here. You're talking to, I'm going to talk about, right off the bat, we're talking about a guy who, um, who's blocked Dan and. and I on Twitter in the past famously. We had to bring him on our show for his brother. David, David, his brother had a broker a piece with Derek on our show to get Greg

and I unblocked. So it can be, yeah, it could be dicey sometimes to talk criticism, positive or negative. He does seem like a guy who hears the criticism a little bit. I think that's fair. And I also think he is coming off his second best season, I would say, as a pro, probably where he feels like he established himself again as a top guy, and yet

there is still a feeling, Nate, and I don't want to put you in too tough a spot because I know you know him and everything, but I think football Twitter still has a lot of doubts on him, and probably why is because of the style that he plays. And to me, the reason why he doesn't inspire a lot of people

is because he plays a very safe style, and you sometimes watch him and you say, make the, you know, try, make the throw down field. Don't always just take the checkdown so quick. I think John Gruden gets frustrated about that. Do you think that's a fair criticism? Is that part of his game? Is that something his coaches have had to deal with him that like he plays a little too close to the vest sometimes? Absolutely. And I think that's a great, great point. And that's with a lot of them

is almost you have to take away his safety valve. You have to just go like, hey, we are throwing this post. I'll just make something up. We are throwing this post. Like this is why we're throwing it. He's a guy that when he wants to attack, everything has to be perfect. Which is not a, it's never going to be perfect in the NFL. It just isn't. You have to throw off platform. You have to throw up sidearm. You have to just, you have to take

a hit in the chin as you're throwing it. It's not going to be where you sit there like a statue and throw deep. It's just, you don't get those Drew Bletzel moments anymore or not as much. The game's changed. And I think for him is that he thinks it has to be perfect to throw those. And so you almost have to take it away from

and go like, hey, we're throwing this. And we're throwing this. You got nothing underneath. You got to chuck it. And I think when that happens, he does. I think sometimes when he knows he has a safety valve, he's like, I'm not going to throw this pick. That might get picked off.

All right, I'm going to check it down and get six yards. Hey, I got six yards. But it's like, yeah, that was a fine play. But sometimes you want the great plays. You want the difference maker plays, those six plays a game that win you games. I mean, that's what football really comes down to. It's 60 plays on each side. Really comes down about 10% of the plays, really change the game.

And I think for him, it's like he thinks he's doing the right thing, but you need to emphasize. You need to take it away from him or you need to be kind of blunt with him and go, no, we don't want that because he honestly just doesn't think he's doing the wrong thing. And I think that's why he gets frustrated. But I, as a coach, and being in those rooms with them, it is frustrating from a coaching perspective because you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we got eight yards there. But a touchdown's a lot better, isn't it? Like, you know, and again, I just don't think he thinks he's doing the wrong thing. And you have to protect him in a different way. You know, like Deshawn Watson, you protect him by maybe not having him throw so deep and giving him a safety valve and going, hey, check it down.

Let's save yourself about 12 hits this game. For him, it's the opposite. It's like, hey, you have no check down, throw deep. Like, make a play. Let's do something. Because he's never going to add lip either. That's the other thing that's really frustrating. I think with Derek, and I get it from a fan's perspective and a coaching perspective sometimes, is he's a pretty good athlete.

but he never uses it. He's never going to ad-lib you a play and off-schedule plays. Like, he is a old-school pocket quarterback in an athletic body. So it's kind of he just, like, he just doesn't have that mindset where he's like, he wants to sit from the pocket and dissect it. Like, dissect. He thinks that is what it is. He really needs to let it loose and maybe run around and try a 50-50 ball and make a guy make a play

or just ad-lib a play and just, you know, the quasi-scramble drills that like Aaron Rogers does or a lot of quarterbacks do these days. Mahomes does when he does the, I call it the Madden drop back where he just keeps falling backwards and then makes him play. You know, but he's, you know, where you're just holding down on the down stick

or on the left stick, just, all right, get away from the rush, let's throw it. But he has the arm to do that. That's a whole other story. But Derek kind of does have those adlet moments. And that's kind of frustrating. Where this league is headed now, where our league is headed is how

quarterbacks making moves with their legs and their arm and this idea that he has that in him to not unlock that. I can imagine why it'd be so frustrating for a coaching staff, whether it was the coach's staff you were on or the recurrent one. Yeah. And that's the thing. I mean,

he almost has 100 starts at this point. I mean, we got to get to the point where it is what it is. He is what he is. I mean, 100 starts is 100 starts. That's a lot of the NFL. It's not two seasons in.

It would be like, okay, yeah. But, I mean, we're on the third offensive staff. He almost has 100 starts now. And I'm not taking away. Derek did have his second best year last year. He did play really well last year. It just, it's, he is what he is. And I think whatever coach is coaching him is going to be frustrated at some of those aspects

and fans for that matter. Yeah, I mean, and Derek Carr is a good study of the fact that, you know, quarterbacks, we're seeing certain quarterbacks that in year two, they look like they've arrived, they're fully developed, they're changing football. Derek Carr is, you know, he may feel disrespectly. He's just lower tier for me on that front. But if you look at this 19 class,

I'm going to leave, I'm going to let you decide where you think the answer to this is because I have my own opinions. But we've got guys like Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes who, year two, they just blow up the league. When you look at this cast of characters that were drafted two drafts ago, who in your mind can make the jump as soon as week one, week two, week three this year and become the guy that everyone is talking about? I mean, the answer, answer is Kyler, but he already kind of showed that. But I actually, looking and reviewing these guys again, I'm becoming a bigger, bigger fan every day of Daniel Jones, which I was with everybody else at that draft last year. We're watching it.

And I'm going to preface this. I'm going to cop out a little bit. So I was with the A&F the year before. So I watched none of these guys in college other than some TVs, you know, where I'm just watching Thursday. You were like in the front office, right? Yeah. What was your title?

You were the Atlanta Thrasher's? Atlanta Legends. I wish we were to Thrashers. We actually have a pretty. I still have my purple starter jacket, so I'll maybe I'll wear that next time. But yeah, and so I, Daniel Jones, though, is like, I just keep watching back. Greg, we talked a couple times about him, but it is, I like him so much more than I did last year. Like when I was like, really, this guy, you know, yeah, he has some talent.

I see. I get it. Like, I get him as a first rounder. I did see that, but a top 10 pick, no. And now I'm kind of getting it. Like, he does a lot of nice things. And, I mean, just a couple of notes, like I wrote down just rewatching him. I mean, it's, yeah, first thing I said, it's better than I thought he'd be.

But he's tough. I mean, he's, like, he goes down field when there's pressure in his grill. He, like, that does not matter. Pressure does not phase him. And we just touched upon a second ago is that's what this league is. You're not going to get the pocket moments or the statue moments anymore. You just don't. you get them like twice a game everything is you have to move you have to take you have to take a hit

you just have to be tough at the quarterback position nowadays and that's where these big athletic guys are like the darnels of the world um the joneses of the world this is why these guys are so great they can take these hits and i mean i don't want to say like they shouldn't take 20 hits a game but they can take these full-on blitzes because the pressures are so much different these days and so much better these days but and just going off what we said about derrick dano jones can adlet he can do those off platform throws. He can make the funky throws. I just posted a clip of him on a naked

where Michael Bennett just came straight at him and he was taking a shot and he threw, and Daniel Jones threw the ball almost like underhand. But he completed it. But those are the throws you have to make. It's not going to be perfect over the top. And, you know, he's a good athlete. I just think the thing with him is he's still learning to

anticipate. And, you know, a guy who has a lot of starts, I thought maybe he'd be a little better at that. But I think for him he's just gauging his own arm, his own talent, about what he can get away with. So I think sometimes he's... No, I was going to say, I wonder what's going to happen if he does break out this year and, like, how people do mental gymnastics not to give Dave Gettlement any credit for it. I'm just wondering how that...

We can't keep doing those gymnastics at that point. It's true, because I think I'm, I've had this, like, long gestating, you know, article, which I think might come out this week on this class of 19. and Jones was the guy who surprised me the most just in terms of the style that he was because he's a hard thing I had to compare anyone to. To me, it seems like he's athletic Eli, which maybe it's like too easy because he was like a, you know, he was a Giants quarterback, but he's like athletic Eli. And he looks exactly the same?

Right. But he doesn't have a big arm. He does not have a big arm. For an NFL starter, he's probably got less than average. But he is not afraid to make a throw. and he was the guy that just had way more wow factor of all the rookies from last year than I ever expected. I thought he had more just like, holy cow, plays in the last five or six weeks of the season than any of the rookies or even like the class of 18 type of guys.

Now, he made a ton of mistakes too, and he was under a lot of pressure. I think he had the second highest rate of pressure, and Darnold was the highest in terms of like they had the worst offensive line. in terms of pressure. But the thing I was impressive was like, unlike Carr, like you mentioned, he did create a lot. He made a lot of big plays. And you hope it's a little easier to coach the aggressiveness out of him. Another comparison to me could be, you know, a young James Winston or Ryan Fitzpatrick, but a bigger, stronger, more athletic Fitzpatrick.

And those guys kind of never turned down that aggressiveness, you know, for better or worse. You know, Fitzpatrick is a fun guy to watch, but he's been up and down. James Winston never really turned it down. But man, if Jones is as smart as everyone, you know, seems to be in terms of eventually he's going to pick things up, you would expect that to get better in year two, three, four. And I thought like, okay, maybe he's not going to be a top five guy, but he kind of looked like he could be a borderline top 10 type of guy. And like, look, that's what you want. You know, like that's a lot better than everyone, I think, expected when he was coming out.

Let me ask you about somebody else because this is something. somebody that second round pick, and I got Broncos' Twitter after me for months now, I'm not as sold on Drew Locke based on what we saw on the end of the season. I know he did some good things, but the fact that John Elway thinks he found his guy moving forward seems a little bit presumptuous to me. What have you seen from Drew Locke? And so it's going off what Greg just said about Jones being so smart and everything. They ran a real offense with him last year.

And I'm going to dovetail this with my lock. What I'm going to talk about Locke is they ran an actual offense. He was making checks, kills. He's doing protection stuff. It looked like a guy in year two as opposed to year one. It did mentally. Now we talk about Locke. Locke seemed like day one rookie install, especially the Chargers game, his first start,

which I totally get. It's his first start. Okay, I get it. I can see the coaches just going, hey, let's take the load off of him. Let's make it easy on him. just get his feet wet a little bit. You would just hope, you know, I get it. He was hurt.

He missed, you know, the first half of the year and probably didn't get a lot of reps. But you would hope a guy with somebody who starts in college would maybe have a little more aptitude for a playbook at that point. But that's what it was. And that's what I have to figure out with Locke. So my answer is TBD. But it was always looking at his wristband. Like there was a lot of like. Well, you would be too, Greg.

I mean, no, I know. throwing you out there and like, you know, late November or something. Don't you think? Even though, like, it was kind of basic, and there was a lot of confusion, he did make plays. He did. And that's the thing with him is he has that willingness to make a play, which, again, that is a huge trait. It really is, guys. That in being tough as a quarterback are huge traits.

Willingness to take a risk. It really is. You don't want the guy to throw five picks because, okay, that might be great, but that also just mean he might be not thrown it 10 times down the field, like, when you want him to. But with Locke, it's one of those. things. Yeah, like you said, you're looking at his wrist a lot. The plays that he, you can tell he's run before, the spacings, the curl flat, Hank, also known as, good. He's actually progressing. He's going one to two. Good, good. Every week in

NFL, your game plan is going to be very opponent-based. You know, it's going to change every week. There's going to be certain adjustments you have to make every week. Those are the place he struggled with. I think for those plays, he was like, okay, I'm sorry, I'm fixing my hair. I hate looking at myself. So it's one of those things where I just took that shower, Greg. And it's one of those... He's like, do I need to, like, get showered for this? It's on the video.

Trust me, you don't. I was like, it doesn't matter. I were a marriage shirt. I wore a marriage shirt. It's not even a shot, but that was useless. Yeah, I know. I was, like, trying to give a shout out. Like, yeah, whatever.

But, you know, with Locke with some of that stuff, it was just like, if it was a new play, you can tell it was a new play. because he is looking where, not where he's supposed to be looking. He is, like, totally wrong side of the field. Like, and it's like stuff like, I'm not saying, like, I know everything, what's going on. I'm not in those meeting rooms, but you can tell. And it's one of those things.

That's what we have to figure out, is it the chicken or the egg? Is it the coaching staff making easy on them or is it him being a slow learner? And I've known nothing about Drew Locke, so I do not want to say he's dumb or anything. But he does do those, he does have some wow moments, but it is one of those things. I have to, he's TBD. I mean, we just don't have it. enough on them at this point. And I hate copping out like that.

Great first appearance, Nate. Finally, Nate, what would your thoughts be on Dwayne Haskins? Where do you stand on him? By the end of this season, assuming there is a season, do you believe the Washington Football Club will feel like they have their entrenched franchise guy, or will the new Rivera in Washington, include finding a new quarterback? You know, I'm not as high on him as maybe as Locke a little bit.

Haskins isn't a great athlete. And, you know, he has some footwork stuff that really throws me off. He makes it work. Like, he'll just, it looks like his feet go dead right before he's about to throw it. Like, all of a sudden it is just like, he just stops moving his feet and throws it like this. And it's like, oh, okay, that came out of nowhere. He needs, again, I'm just, I mean, honestly, we can cut and paste, copy and paste. Wait, is that good or bad?

Is that good or bad? I don't know. I don't know. It leads to inconsistency. So some guys make it work. Like Mahomes doesn't have great feet. He has unbelievable flexibility and can create torque from angles. But you can't coach that.

You know, it's not, I'm not going to go, hey, watch Mahomes. Okay, now you do that. So some high schooler, you know, but I wouldn't show Haskins because I would be like, no, I don't want you to do that either because his feet just kind of go dead. And he's like, eh. And the ball goes out. It works. But whatever.

But again, a copy and paste some of the lock talk is that he needs more reps. He came out as a sophomore. He doesn't have a lot of starts. That offense from Ohio State is extremely QB friendly, passing game-wise. That's why the receiver is going to put a lot on them in that offense, in those Urban Meyer offenses. They have a lot of adjustments, a lot of reads. The interception you saw Justin Fields throw in the playoffs, it's because he was waiting to see what adjustment the receiver made. And then the adjustment that receiver second-guessed himself and bailed out of it.

And then that's why that interception happened in that playoff game. So that's why you see some of those Ohio State receivers take a big leap in the NFL. Because it's kind of easy when now I don't have to adjust. I can just, oh, I just run a 14-year-caro rep. Cool. I don't have to like read cover two and read this. Oh, that's easy. You know, and I think that the quarterback, on the flip side of that is the quarterback

doesn't, has a lot that they don't have to worry about. It's just, hey, we have a really good player, let him get open. You know, that's, I'm totally like to put it in the box. There's more to it, but that's why he doesn't have a lot of real, quote-unquote, reps. And so he had the starts last year in a turmoil situation. So this year's basically going to be his rookie year all over again. And I think I'm high on Scott Turner. I think he is going to do a nice job.

And they have an ex-receiver in Scary Terry. So, you know, I think he's going to have some pieces, but he needs some stuff. Well, and he's learning a new offense. I think that's been an undersold thing with Locke, too, and with Daniel Jones, thinking about this rookie class, is like, is Pat Shermer really going to come in there and, like, give Drew Locke a schematic advantage? Probably not.

So that's a guy at best. You're hoping. Well, I'm just saying, I think that's fair on Pat Scher. I mean, you're just hoping that he's, I think Pat Schumer at this point, you're hoping he's a solid coach, but he's not going to be like, hey, this is the guy that suddenly just turns you great. He's just going to be, you're hoping it's middle of the road,

but it's a new coach. Jones has Jason Garrett, Scott Turner, you know, with Washington. The one thing, like, Haskins didn't show as much early. And so then you worry about the numbers. Like Locke did some things where it's like he avoided sacks really well. He avoided negative plays. He made some plays. Whereas Haskins, like you didn't see, I know it's a little all over the place.

But when you talked about Haskins coming from that offense, it actually makes me think of Kyler Murray a little bit. And I know PFF got like a little grief that they ranked. Kyler Murray 29th going into this season, and they didn't really have him very high last year in terms of how he played, despite the numbers. They actually had him significantly lower than, like, Daniel Jones and was kind of in the area of Locke. He's a tough guy to evaluate sometimes, too, because, like, the skill sets there, it's obvious. He's so athletic, and his arm is so good. But when you watch that offense last year, you know, there's a, like, that's like watching a

college offense in some way that most of the time it was just get rid of the ball a five-yard throw in the first few seconds and that was it and you could go you could go a few games where kiler murray wasn't really doing a lot more than that which is why i think pff probably graded him low which it feels unfair but like like it do you think there is any warrant to like some concern about that when it comes to kiler murray uh not i mean kiler makes everyone better that is not that was not talented roster last year and he made him look he was he made him competitive every single game and the thing with kiler is not only is he an unbelievable athlete and throws one of the prettiest deep balls in the league already and could make all three level throws is that he knows

what he is um he's the best slider in the league right now he knows how to get down quick i know that's such a random trait to have but he is i mean the baseball background comes into play he says he knows how to not take a hit which is a huge skill too for his body type. That's very a huge thing for him. With that offense, though, it really impressed me to Cliff because I'm not going to lie. I'm with a lot of

I'm younger, but I still have some of that older NFL mindset. Like, I'll believe it when I see it kind of thing. You get a guru every year. So I've seen so many gurus quote unquote burnout after 18 months. And then you never hear from him again. I mean, you guys know that too.

And with Cliff, what really impressed me was he's not just an a very creative coach. He's a very creative coach. He is willing to adapt, which was, I thought, gave him a lot more credibility than I was going into the year. I thought no matter what, he was going to stick with 10 and 11 personnel and just try and just beat his head against the wall by passing the ball, six, seven yards like you were just saying. But he, they played New Orleans. They got blitzed out on every third down because they had to throw hot. The New Orleans defense figured out their whole third down package. They couldn't, every. every single throw out they had to throw hot it was third and 10 they were getting five yards done they're off the field saints just ran them out of the building and they had but what happened after that they adjusted and i think with cliff what i was really going back i mean i know we're talking about kiler but cliff is very he's creative enough to know what he has they went from a 10 personnel team to a 12 and 13 personnel team they were in wing sets with two tight ends at the end of the year like

the last six weeks that's all they were running not all they're running but that was a big chunk of what they were running he was like this is what's working this is what we are they became a really run team. And it's just, that impressed me a lot with Cliff. And then that's going to maybe Kyler is with the perfect guy. Like Lamar's with Greg Roman, perfect. We're good. Breezes with Sean Peyton, we're good. Like just that perfect match of coach skiing and player. And I think Kyle is in that perfect situation. He's just a one of one guy. You need a coach that knows how to work with him. You just, it's just like Mahomes. It's not teaching tape. Like he just does his own thing and then you just hopefully control it. That's good organized chaos.

Nate Tice, you've said it all. I thought it's so much. Derek Carr, you know, is Nate going to get a call or text from Derek, maybe? That's possible at this point. Probably not. The second year, guys, I feel like we're more enlightened because of Nate. And check him out again on Twitter at Nate underscore Tice, where he's chopping up the film and with a lot of good insight as you can hear. And we'd love to have you on again sometime.

Nate, thank you for joining us. Thank you guys for having me. That's awesome. There we go. We'll get that tip to me song for you next time. You know, the shower was worth it, really? I mean, he had to take it anyway. At some point, he had to take it.

You should. I mean, I have done a few of these shows without taking a shower. Have you not? From the beginning of Corona until now, I don't mean like waltzing into the studio in years past, but been unshowered once or twice. I don't think it's a normal thing to do. As long as like, have you done it after one of your nude workouts in the backyard?

Like, do you go straight from a beach body workout to the, the show or is there a shower in between those? That has not occurred, nor that that's not really like a strategy that I'm like hoping to to bring to the show either. Anyways. All right. That was good. So we, you know, ran a little short on time there.

We'd love to get some Minchu commentary. I had a Minchu question, but, you know, I, I'll save it for the second time that we meet him. The Minchu does get kind of forgotten in this. this rookie box. Not by me. Since he had like better numbers than basically everyone. He exceeded almost what every other rookie from that class did. I'm with him.

I'm sticking with it. Well, it's just totally dismissed. It's like, oh, you know. What a year it was in Jackson. We know he was good. We haven't had a lot of D. Jones docky. He deserved it, you know. Poor Danny does.

Before we go, you know, at the top of Monday's show, Greg, you had, I was happy you did, too. You had pointed out that Canada represents a pretty solid level of listenership for us. Number three, number three, U.K. is a strong too. To be fair, it's a pretty big gap, but Canada's a strong three. Right. And that is, and then I, you know, I got, you know, again, these colors don't run. I got a little excited, started talking about the old U.S. of A.

And I, you know, left me with a bad taste of my mouth because I love Canada, too. I just wanted to, at the end of this show, share the top 10 things that I love about Canada. Okay. If that's okay with you guys. Please. Number 10, the National Anthem. It's a nice little bop as the kids. Solid one.

I mean, if that's 10, you know this is going to be a good list. Number nine, everything about the Skydome. The fact that it was the first retractable roof, the fact that there's a hotel in center field where people can do it during a game, Joe Carter. WrestleMania 6, Hogan v. Warrior, and the 89 opening festivities on YouTube. Check it out. Number eight. That one tragically hip-seedy I own. Nice.

What was that, Mark? I don't. We're only at number eight. I mean, like, let's, that was a lot of beefy number. That was a beefy number nine. Shut up. Seven. Interesting political leaders.

Rob Ford. You know, that guy was nuts. The hunk prime minister that looks like handsome Hank. Nice. Six. Drake's good. I like Drake. Five, the kids in the hall.

Four, John Candy, rest of peace. Buried right here in Culver City. Three, Bill Hartman, also gone too soon. The greatest S&L cast member ever. Number two, Vancouver. I've never been there, but everyone says it's really clean. It's a great city. Okay.

And the number one The number one thing that I love About Canada That one part of the Bare Naked Lady song In one week where they go That's Bina That's number one

One of their best fans I mean you could argue You could argue like Chickenie China The Chinese chicken is even more iconic Than Not even close to me Maybe to you

and I respect that if that's your call. But to me, yeah, it's better than any. I literally almost went on a bare naked ladies cruise many years back. I literally, that was my favorite band for a while. And let me say, the two of you, the two of you, this whole campaign,

I get it, pick a country, and then all these things. Where's your Estonia countdown, Sessler? I'm not letting you on to Estonia Corner. I am going to present my top 10 Estonian elements on Friday show. I had no strategy. I was just surprised.

Nonsense. Nonsense. I do love Canada. It's like, let's get an entire Canada on my side and get a bunch of tweets. My brother went to McGill. I made a number of trips. Great place to visit. Especially when you're in high school and your brothers in college, forget about it.

Montreal is just an amazing place. Rufus, Wainwright, you know, Laurent Duvernet, Tardif. I mean, you know. Michael J. Fox, Canadian. Like the French, the Jews, the French Canadian Jews are a. special, are a special breed that I've just, I'm a big fan of. Dan, how many times has, as Greg mentioned Canada in the 10 years that we've known him? Before this week.

This is the first time, this week. I've actually mentioned McGill on the podcast. As a listener reminded me way too often. You mentioned McGill. You mentioned McGill, but beyond, you know, I would just say something feels, something's in the air, and I sense it and I trust my intuitions when these things bubble up like this. How can't just be a nice thing? There was no thought.

Because I don't trust just nice things coming from anyone on this show. Not just nice things do not. That's not how this works. I don't come up with a strategy before the show before the show of like what we're going to talk about. Erica knows exactly what I'm talking about. This is a mess. Do you know what? I think you look great.

What is Mark talking about? That came from a genuine place. It really did. Yeah. I mean, I feel like a third party. fan. Yeah, I don't know. I love Canada. Canada's great. First of all, like, it happens three days after I become a Toronto Blue Jays fan, okay? Like, outshining that.

Wow, that's actually legit. Oh, there it is. Like, there are things that I really like about Canada, but I don't need to like waltz around telling 10,000 people about it. I, it's in my heart. And so my love for Canada, I don't need to, you know, announce it. There's a good quote. It's like you often betray yourself about what you notice in others. So you noticing that, like, we're, that you think we're, like, scheming to make a move before the show. It's absolutely troubling. It's a little. No, it's actually deadly accurate.

Whoa. Anyway, I like Canada, and I'm glad that I got that list out there. And I'm looking forward to the Estonia list from Mark, which I'm sure is going to be coming from a sincere place. It is sincere. The only reason was because we're changing. They're getting rid of our publishing platform. So I was getting some of those numbers before it's all gone because I'm always thinking we might need these numbers someday. I'm going to go download all these numbers.

And then I saw that Canada and I was like, oh, about Canada. Greg, you fascinate me. Like the things that you care about and don't care about, I would have guessed you would have been the last person. I was like, I need to get to our metrics platform to download all the data before it gets wiped. I would have never thought that you would be about that life. Here's why, because we got millions of downloads every. every month and people need to know

and who knows we might be in a spot where we're going to need that data because the NFL is like see you guys later have that in our back pocket how about our PR department get on board here

and publicize some of the stuff I see other hey this podcast got 20,000 listeners last month like excuse me I've got a story you can tell if you wanted to do we have a PR

or is that like a me thing? We have a thick and heavy. I mean, NPR media has a PR. You know, Andrew Howard does a great job setting up our radio interviews sometimes and helping us out. He got baldy for us. He got some of our guests, you know.

Andrew Howard's a great man and a good Philadelphia sports fan. I think we work for a small boutique here and you can't expect there to be a PR arm that supports us. You just can't expect that publicity. Too much to ask. It's fair.

All right. All right. Well, that was good. We'll be back on Friday with another show. And sincerely, Mark, I am looking forward to your Estonia countdown. I didn't realize the Blue Jays thing is why the Blue Jays thing is not the heart and soul of this. I, we don't need to dig back into it. I have learned at age 46 to trust my intuition, which rarely fails me. And so I could be wrong, but I'm not going to convince myself I'm wrong. I'm sticking to this. Well, the good thing by intuition is you never find out wrong because it's, you know, that's up to you. Each show is its own planet. We're leaving this planet.

None of these hard feelings will exist on Friday. We'll see you then. Now there's hard feelings, wow. You seem offended by my intuition, which is, like, precise and dead on. So you got to end the show. I have to do about that. Get out of here. Man, the end of these shows are going wild lately.

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