NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Coaches Check In ; Flashpoint Focus: Eagles Meltdown

Episode Date: January 2, 2024

In a room full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, and Marc Sessler get you caught up on news from around the league including updates on Bradley Chubb's injury (07:05) and who will be starting at QB for the Steelers (10:30). The heroes then check in on who has the most at stake in the final weekend of the regular season (19:45) and shine the light on the Philadelphia Eagles in ATN's latest edition of Flashpoint Focus (35:52). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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from the Chris Wessling podcast studio it's around the NFL. Dan has us here, got the heroes, Greg Rosenthal, and Mark Sessler, and it is officially a new year. Same old show.

Nothing's changed. For better or worse, this is the show. This is what we do, and we're going to give you what you expect. This is the show right here. It's not about the football. It's just the guy is chopping it up.

Chopping it up. If you were hoping for changes, we made none and there probably are a fair amount of people. Now if you want if you want listeners and please let us know be whatever channels you can for us to pull like a radio head

and completely reinvent our sound in our second decade, we can try it. I just imagine it would maybe not it's more likely that we do not produce, you know okay computer. It's more likely Kid A

doesn't it will you're more likely to get amnesiac than Kid A. So be careful what you wish for. Not that there's anything wrong with amnesiac, but you know. I think we're being transparent. Like our creative wellspring is challenged. Absolutely. You know who else

is being challenged right now? Eagles fans. Speaking of, happy birthday to Colleen Wolf. This would be the show she's typically on, but you know, we got to give Connie a little her space. Let Connie be Connie. Yeah. Because you say we say summer of Connie, but it's really Connie's whole life is kind of

a reality show that just doesn't have cameras around except for when she's connected to the NFL. So Connie's doing something for her birthday. So we just want to wish. I think she's traveling here. I thought she was like on an island or a foreign place. Yeah, I'm going to let Colleen be wherever she is.

And we wish you, happy birthday, Colleen. You're a great person and a great Eagles fan. So Connie, like so many other Eagles fans, absolutely. a shot to the gut on New Year's Eve when you lose at home to the Cardinals

and their whole season is now kind of upside down and that means there's only one thing to do like how bad does this get and that's why we're bringing back potentially the greatest segment we have it's undefeated certainly the one that has the most kind of respect inside and outside

the industry flashpoint focus happy new year to Sydney Carlson. If she celebrates. Some might say, is this too late for a flashpoint for the Eagles? They've been heading on a downward. Well, I asked you that on text.

Yes. Well, that was the sum. I suggested this one trying to get the upgrade for the co-producer credit. Suggesting the second, you know, this is two in a row. This could this change even more? You know, could it change in a way that the whole organization is different in a couple weeks? He's so strange in so way. Some ways Greg's a very strange man.

He wants, he so badly wants to be part of the brain trust on this project that he's thrown in that line that I've thought of the last two. Like, I mean, that's at that trying to be part of it. It's just like, I'm part of it. We are being nice to let, let you feel involved on this. Yeah. Because what Mark's instinct was was absolutely correct. Yeah. If we did this after the, um, Nick Siriani is shouting at the chiefs fan game, then it's a true flashpoint focus.

So we're just kind of throwing you a little New Year's bone. Or that's the basic way to look at it. And we could see one of the most successful organizations in the entire NFL completely different in a couple weeks. So, and again, it's the language. It would still have been ahead. No, because that...

I don't know if people are talking about the future of Seriali. I don't know if Greg understands it, though, Mark. The basic way. Why the daggers always? Why? It's a good concept. That's the Greg experience, I believe. Because there is a way...

You're right. And the reason why it ends up getting greenlit and push through legislation is if this is the beginning of something horrific within the, you know, within Eagles nation context. But there is a fair amount of pressure on Greg for, like, disaster to strike the Philadelphia area.

I'm not looking for it. Think about that. I like this team. Because he loves the Eagles. He's got a buddy that works at the team. He constantly, he does Super Bowl dinners. Like, oh, where's Greg? Oh, he's with his Eagles buddy.

So now, in a way, you're celebrating their dysfunction. It's the organization he works for. They're in a fascinating place. right now. Now let's bring it back to business. And I'm just a showman. You guys asked for a showmanship. Stir it up the pot. Well, we haven't... With my executive producers and with the show.

Well, you're doing great. You're doing great. What did we decide? He's the gaffer? I don't need... A gaffer is, you know, belongs to a union and has actual skills gaffing. So I'm not... All right, let's get to the rest of the show. We're going to run out of time before Bo gets in here. We got a big guest. See, now he's

trying to run the show. Just take it easy, Greg. We're proud of you it's going to be a great segment today. We got a lot coming on. Here's what else is going on. We're entering week 18, and it's not exactly a hot butt check-in in the sense of like the pre-season

or even mid-season, but let's just see who's where we're at. Where we're at? It's where they're, and it could be coaches, GMs, coordinators, quarterbacks, who has kind of the most at stake

in these last, the last dying breasts of the regular season? But first, as we always do, let's get caught up on the news. I've got Controlled Fury, and I'm ready to go. I'm absolutely ready to go. I don't go the other way. And the team won't either. We're on a mission, and we're not going to feel sorry for ourselves

and watering everything. We had plays to make, we didn't make them. And it's a tight game, a good opponent, playoff-type atmosphere, and you've got to make that one extra play that we didn't. And so we will use this as fuel. I got pure octane right now. I woke up.

I'm ready. I love it. You know what? Like the last, I think it was Dave Cohen's is the last NBA player coach. You can't tell me Campbell would be somewhat efficient as a player. What the intensity has, he's obviously in great physical condition. I believe for a line's defense that could probably need a couple more guys to get him over the hump and to hoist the trophy. Get Campbell on the field.

the rest of the year i don't know problem with that dave callans great great guy uh the the hard knock stuff where campbell couldn't he not move for two straight days because he like bent over funny or something remember that yeah getting old's a bitch but uh i just think i mean he's awfully those black outside ends yes uh let's get to it yes he was initially his his head coaching journey dan campbell began with the dolphins when he replaced joe filbin uh and uh the dolphins man what a setback And their head coach, Mike McDaniel, deserves a lot of scrutiny because Bradley Chubb, who is a huge difference maker on their defense, who is just kind of hitting the stride as the player

who they thought they were getting in that big trade with Denver. He's done for the year because he tears his ACL late in the blowout loss to the Ravens. So you're going to now have to go the rest of the way without Chubb. They also are not going to have Xavier Howard on the field for this AFC East Championship game against the Bills. So this is obviously a big setback for this team, Greg. What does Chub do? What does he mean to their defense?

How do they overcome his loss? He's their best ed rusher. He's having the best season. I think of his career, even better than any season he had in Denver. Maybe there was one early one. But the way he was coming on and essentially making you feel like,

okay, we lost Jalen Phillips, the top 10, 12 edge rusher in the league, but we still got a good enough group with the two defensive tackles in Chub. and now Chubb's gone too and McDaniel who's so forward thinking so many things

frustrated me with with the way he was playing his starters here like that's the number one thing when I run my team the two things on my platform gonna be why are we going back down

this fiction road where you're now ahead no time out oh no this is more it's the front office it's okay I'm telling the coaches what do no timeouts allowed

just take in the for a delay to avoid a delay a game just take the yards, no timeouts. And starters are not playing when you're down three scores, or up three scores, period, in the final 10 minutes. I mean, because it's like Mike McDaniels been beyond critique because of all the positives, but Brandon Staley a year ago, Mike Williams is in a game late and they lose them for the

playoffs. And that was a huge, without Mike Williams, like that charges off and it's not the same thing. Imagine Mike McCarthy does this with Mike McA Parsons. Absolutely. People would be over the moon. They'd be apoplectic about it, but, you know, I, McDaniels banked a lot of, but he's banked a lot of goodwill and for a good reason, but this is inexcusable that he was ever on the feet.

Mike McDaniel did acknowledge, like, in so many words, in the press conference, like, yeah, that doesn't look good. Like, you know, I don't know if you're the head coach sometimes, like, you can't take everyone out. The thing is, though, every coach does this. It's very rare that, like, this is a group think for all the coaches that I really think they get wrong in it. You really hurt for Chuck.

whose career completely changed when he tore his ACL the first time and it took him a long time to get back to where he was. I really feel like it took him like three years and he got there and now this happened. But you're right, Mark, you can't take everybody out, but you kind of can, but you got to take the stars out. You got the guys that are the ones that... Oh, I mean, this stands out as like the true difference makers.

And, you know, with the matchup coming up against Buffalo, two has got a banged up shoulder. You don't have Howard. I mean, this could make a huge difference at the most critical time. Where is the Vegas at on that game? Because part of me thinks Miami is going to be, are they at home, first of all?

Where is that? They are. It's in Miami. I believe the bills are favored by three. Miami. Okay, I was going to say it felt like that. It would be in that zone. I like Miami's chances,

but this is, you cannot overlook how important Chubb is to their past rush. And we'll see if they're able to overcome it. In other news, Mason Rudolph is going to continue as the start. of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Rudolph, who has, you know, been with the team for years and it kind of drifted into the deep background,

but due to injuries and ineffectiveness with Kenny Pickett and then Mitch Trubisky, he got his chance and they're playing well, winning the last two weeks. So Tomlin says he will remain the starter, even with Kenny Pickett available to play the former first round pick. So this is Rudolph's the biggest moment in his career coming up in week 18 against the Ravens. I mean...

The Steelers' offense was unwatchable. Like, wire to wire, even after taking Matt Canada out, outside of one game. And in comes Rudolph, throwing for 274 on Seattle, 290 against the Bengals. And I think it matters. The average 11 yards for a temp last. He's incredible.

And he doesn't look, he looks like a completely different version of the player that we used to know. And George Pickens in two weeks has 11 catches, 326 yards, and two touchdowns. And it matters how it's happening. They have an explosive element to their passing game, which was missing all year. Joe Flacko already has more touchdowns than Kenny Pickett did.

He didn't picket, like, refused to throw touchdowns. 11 yards for attempt, only one turnover. He tried, but I think he wasn't good at it. Fused, intellectually. This feels worth at least just noting because Kenny Pickett's being benched here very clearly. And he lost the job due to an injury, which is unfortunate. But he is being bench, which is a big moment. I think when you're a quote-to-quote franchise quarterback,

I think it raises absolutely fair questions about whether he's the quarterback. quarterback they're moving forward you kind of get two years and by the end of that second year if it's not clicking you are vulnerable and pick it certainly is it'll be interesting to see no matter how this season ends where they go because i don't think they see mason rudolph is the future they like them obviously to have them around this long but pick it you know they just have not been able to get it going with him uh let's talk about ooh big app for restop what's to hit a little rest up you know restop has there are layers you can there could be too much rest not enough rest and then just the idea of of guys not playing, which they call rest. And now he's taken over a flashpoint. Like it's the pat the need for the external power is impressive. Well, you created this one. I didn't. I'm just going down.

I have no producer credit on this. Just talent. Well, I would say you definitely, you, you are the motivation for this segment. And Chris McCaffrey out week 18 for the nineers. They've already clinched everything. He was banged up last week. But I don't imagine it's serious. We'll find out down the road.

Lamar Jackson, unlikely to play as well for the Ravens. We'll see what else they choose to do. Baltimore has also clinched everything. We're going to get to the Eagles in a second, but Nick Siriani said he may sit his starters, which... It's interesting because they have a chance to... Yeah, what is he... I know.

That kind of threw me. Is there a time element to that? No, everybody's playing pretty much at the same time, right? I mean, they would need, like, I think you're factoring in, like, Dallas playing the commander. Let's save that. Yes, that's a major... A major factor. And, yeah, we mentioned Dan Campbell.

of course Dan Campbell will play starters you don't care Campbell just wants to win ball games every single uh week any thoughts on that man now sometimes they say that early in the week and then you get to the end of the week and you hear okay it's a plan we're going to play jared goff for two drives maybe not i i believe Vegas thinks they're playing this is always a very strange uh Vegas week i'm i put the words in that lamar is probably not playing

just based on the tone of what john harbaugh said but he didn't actually say anything and that really will help the Steelers. Those darn Steelers, they're going to sneak in somehow aren't they? I mean, it's not even somehow. They just need the Dolphins to win and they need to beat the backup Ravens, which isn't a guarantee. Sometimes those backups go ahead and win the game. It's happened before to the Steelers in fact. There's this like the debate around the resting thing too

with the Raven specifically is like they've done this before and it ended up poorly in the playoffs and I remember like those old Peyton Manning teams that one time they sat everyone and lost like the final Sunday night game to the Titans or something like that it prevented a Browns team that had won 10 games from going to the playoffs and so I always sort of hated that

move and I think there was the year that the Bengals sat everyone against the Jets the Jets got into the playoffs, played them the next week and thumped them so it's like this stuff does matter but I don't know if it matters with this Ray it's not specifically more attuned to this Ravens team and the one cult's team with Manning that finally

got through was not a great Colts team. They had to play Wildcard Week, and they were a top two seed. And finally in the news, the Jets waived Dalvin Cook, the running back who signed for a fair amount of money right before the start of the season from the Vikings. He was seen as another piece of a potential championship run for my team. Not the case. He gone. He asked out and the Jets said, all right.

If you can, if you can find someone that wants to pick you up and maybe go for a playoff run, Tom Pelliserro reported this and added. the dynamic playmaker has, quote, fresh legs after minimal usage in New York and can now compete. Is that a report? Do we know that? The dynamic playmaker has fresh legs.

That, I feel like that's refutable, but it did come from an insider. So. Infallible. Infallible. I believe he has the most carries, and it's not that many this year. What does he got?

67. Of any running back that has not broken a 15-yard gain. Yeah. So just that would refute it somewhat. Yeah, I would say that that. Someone's going to need like a running back to be kidnapped by a van. It could actually, he's not a crazy pickup for the Cowboys at all. I think one of the reasons they don't.

Are you guys, you guys know how it goes with my team. He's going to get picked up by someone, and he is going to be a major factor in the playoffs, and we're all going to have a great old laugh about it all across the football media landscape. They got out of the money part. That is good for the Jets. A good old laugh. Everyone's going to have when Dalvin Cook rushes.

for 168 yards and three touchdowns for some team in January. I don't think you're getting those laughs. You're getting the laughs from the cook deal to begin with. I thought that was a good move. And within three weeks, I no longer thought it was a good move. He was not moving very well. There's no doubt about it. All right.

That's what's happening in the news. Mark, come on now. I know you root for a successful team now, but this is how it goes. This is how it goes. I get it. I don't know. if everyone hates your team at that much. I don't want

to laugh at it. Not about hating the team, but just the Jets are fun to laugh at. I can concede that. And that's, this is right. I would say this is less, this is less gag worthy than some of the stuff that's occurred to them this season. By the way, Greg, I was during our Restop app, which was a good app, I thought.

Good app of Restop. I'd like to tag the rest stop with, yeah, when we get off the rest stop and get back on the highway. I thought that I contributed to it as well this time. I appreciate it. Well, what happens? What happens? What happens when I do that? You get a little royalty check. Is the rest stop drop on, like, page 9?

I always feel like we're waiting for the rest stop for a little too long. There it is. It's one of the ones where it's not a... There's a point. I can't fit it in. I don't want to jump on you guys. And, you know, I don't...

Drop it in there. Okay. Because the rest stop needs its mechanic. I think one of these shows, one of us should, like, sit there on the soundboard and have to dial on this off season. Eric and I are switching. Sounds like an absolute nightmare.

I've done it before. We've done that at before. I've been behind the glass once before. Well, do you not recall that? I don't recall our show from Sunday night, so I don't know. All right. I've been thinking about it, Greg, and you're right. You have been putting in the work on Flashpoint Focus,

and it's you're due for a promotion. And I'm looking, I looked up on Wikipedia, television crew. And I think, what do you think, coordinating producer. Okay. Yeah, that sounds like broad. You could sell that to your friends. That's good.

When you get the CP title here, that's a nice promotion for a lot of great young, hardworking producers at the NFL. So that's a nice moment. You think? Or line producer. What do you think? That was good.

I'll let you decide. I'll think about that. Okay. Get back to us at the end of the action. I don't like Greg's tone in general. In general. See, I feel that too. Around this whole thing.

Yeah, that's kind of what... I'm inclined to go to start them lower just to get, you know, really get that experience from the... Should we... Near the floor. I see what you're saying. So maybe we should bust them down

to supervising producer. That sounds more... My one IMDB credit right now calls me additional crew. That feels good. On the Bravo non-hit significant others... Let's start there. I love that part of your crew.

All right, we're going to bust you down to additional crew, but it's also a jump up from assistant to the gaffers. So we tell them you're an AC. Let me say. All right. Let's, by the way, before we get to our buddy, Bo Wolf covering the Eagles and doing a great job at all Philly.com.

Let's do a little hot butt check-in. Entering week 18. Where do we want to start? We'll start with the coaches. I just want to just to kind of get this where it needs to be. There's only one absolute. Luke Garner, right? It's Ron, right? Like, he's the one that is

either it happens right after the games on Sunday, or it's the first name you hear on Black Monday. Like, he's the only one left, because we've lost a few coaches already. Because we can, three have been fired. Over at once. Three gone, that would be Reich, that would be

Brennan Staley, and that would be Josh McDaniel. So those guys who felt like Black Monday Ganners were already kicked to the curb. And I think Rivera's the last one standing that you know is gone is there anyone else starting with the coaches here that you guys are pretty confident are gone or or if things calm down a little bit where there's no one else yeah I was writing these down and thinking the overrunners now maybe six and a half which is normal maybe even lower than average so we're only to four there with Rivera Belichick to me feels all but

certain I would be very surprised I know there's been some talk in recent weeks of what he would accept Bill in terms of restructure and who's picking the players. I just don't see it. I just think it's been going this way the whole time. And I do think he's close to a definite. That decision feels like we'll learn that it was, there's been reporting to suggest like this was already going to happen. They knew. So I'm with you on that. You know, there was some positive stuff around Arthur Smith, but if they were to flatline this week too, like you were saying on Sunday night, maybe the owner makes a change there because what is the vision?

That's a coach off right there. Dennis Allen versus Arthur Smith. I was saying we said it midseason when we did a hot butt check in our first one of the year that the entire NFC South fell up for grabs and then right goes. So there's one gone.

I think Bowles is safe just because they have had really sustained levels of success this year. What if he just loses to the Panthers? That's what I mean. So I wouldn't say he's in the clear. I think Bowles is certainly on the bubble entering.

week 18. Arthur Smith and Dennis Allen, if they're not, they should be. And Steve Weiss who, you know, used to work with the Falcons. Like, he's plugged in. He was very confident a few weeks back that Smith was staying, but I don't know if something has changed with Arthur Blank, the owner since we did get that

NPR reporting on Blank, if you recall a couple weeks. Which I thought was strong. Very strong. I mean, it was directly from the owner itself, I called it. Well, they lost by 20. Silver Fox, gentlemen, just getting the info. They lost by 20 to the, since then, they've lost by 20 to the Bears, and I'm not, I can't remember if he was on the show before or after they lost

to the Panthers, but then losing if it's, let's say, a bad loss to the Saints here, you're 7 and 10, you're not improving your win loss. In your three seasons, your third season is supposed to be when the vision comes to the four. Here is their rank in overall efficiency, according to DPA. This is going to be gross. First year, his first year, 30th, okay, that he took over a tough situation. Second year, 19th. Nice, improvement. Third year, 28th. You're the fifth worst team in the NFL right now in your third year. And packed into that was this idea that you were going to develop Desmond Ritter and, you know, a lot of suspicion around that to begin with, but you're an offensive coach that didn't happen.

And I would argue these days, like with Mike McDaniel, with Sean McVeigh, like it isn't three-year rebuilding plans. It happens. Quick. With some teams, it just happens. And I mean, I thought we were more on the Arthur Smith thing than made sense. looking back now, but it seemed like they were going to flip the switch and you get Bijon Robinson and like they're unwatchable. To me, they're worse than their record indicates. They could be very easily be a five or a four win team. Right. With a harder schedule. Which are the Smith's like, well, they were not because of the coaching. Or because you had the easiest schedule ever, but losing to the same. On the flip side, like I know Dennis Allen's supposed to be safe now,

they're coming off a big game. But if it just flips and you get swept by the Falcons, your biggest rivalry, your rival and your home and the fans are booing? I don't know. It might seem strange to base one Sunday on such a huge personnel and team decision, but with these guys, I think they're right on the bleeding edge. By the way, NPR PBS coverage, a joint coverage of NFL personnel movement, you know what I would call it? No frills, hard-hitting journalism.

Well, that's what it is. So, yeah, and we always respect that. Also, I'm going to put a name out there. Well, Mike Vrable's floating. We can talk about him. But I really think it's, and this one feels more silly, and I was on this last week. Antonio Pierce, I think with the Raiders and with that particular owner, I almost feel like that's going to decide who do they have in Week 18, the Raiders.

They have the Broncos. Yeah, home. Home against the Broncos in a game that means nothing in terms of the playoffs. I kind of get the feeling Mark Davis is going to make his decision at head coach based on the like the results. of that game. I think so too, and I think like there's an argument for Antonio Pierce compared to what they were before him, but I think a lot of it is

like, the literal owners said, like, I kind of, I should have hired Bessatia after what he did. That also doesn't mean you should, but Bessatio also took them to the playoffs. They're not all equal and, like, Mark Davis has done a lot of things that would make you shake your hands up. He's four and four. This would put him at five

and four. They've been good at home where they really have a nice crowd there, a nice rate. Players love them. Yeah, I think, you're right, Dan, that this could emotionally we just have seen it so many times. So he's someone, I think, that could come or go, depending on

this game. I think moving to quarterbacks, I think Oh, I have one. Oh, go ahead. Well, we can talk Siriani with Boe Wolf. But that was part of the reason I had a, I got a triple question mark. Worthy question. Okay. It's like Sirianni?

Flus, you know, Iber Flus feels safe. Yeah, they're playing the Packers. In all these games, like, if you got blown out, it's like, okay, if you got blown out at the end of your season, does that, could Iber Flusco? And then I think the name that I haven't seen out there a lot is, is Pete Carroll. They have one of the worst defenses in the league. They've had a bottom five defense. He's a defensive coach.

They've had a below average defense for seven straight years. If they lost back-to-back games to the Steelers and the Cardinals to lose the season and you're just stuck in the middle again, It's very confusing what the ownership situation is there. When things were getting a little thorny four weeks ago, there were some whispers about Schneider and Carol, maybe not on the same page and like some pointing finger. So I just don't lose to the Cardinals. I feel like they could very well lose to the Cardinals.

If you lose to the Cardinals, I think maybe anything is on the table. Okay, I mean, but again, that's why I don't, some of this is hard for me to wrap my head around. I'm so freaking Jack. I'm so fucking Jack. I'm totally two weeks ago. And I think people. Pete, he's still got the, he has a track record.

He's, he's still youthful, at least in spirit and in body. And I think that, uh, if you give him better players on defense and maybe they're all his players and they've spent so many resources. Schneider don't fire Carol, because I think he's a good head coach, give him better players and maybe maybe you're going to hire someone better too. Like it depends. Well, that too. I hear all that, but I just think when you're a defensive coach and you just don't have

answers and there's two guys in your divisions who hand it to you. four times a year and you're kind of using stale thinking because you can say get better players who is the draft picks free agency they spent a lot on that defense to be really bad that's all right what if how about a defensive coordinator that you let him call the place rotating through like yeah they have been they've been rotating through they've fired three or four because their defense have been bad at that different locations think it's it's one to throw out there what if if the bills got blown out by miami and then there's a bunch of negative energy and stuff happening it should Sean McDermott

100% safe? I don't think so. I think Sean McDermott is... A grizzly blowout? Like, I'm just saying like all these teams we're talking about and we'll get it to

with the Eagles. A month ago, everything with the Eagles was looking wonderful. And Nick Siriani was this guy that everyone from Philly responds to X, Y, Z. And like,

McDermott had that one little incident. Like, he's been great overall, but it's almost like that doesn't matter. These things always sort of end badly. They just won their 10th game. I would say he's 98% safe. It seems like a super,

surprise to me if it would happen, but like I feel like we get one of these surprises. It also just depends. That's what I want to throw out Carol. I was trying to think of who would be a surprise and he would make sense to me if, again, if they lose. And I kind of think they're going to lose. Wink Martindale, by the way, just as a coordinator, I do feel like this will be his final game after that Glazer report and pretty lacklester performance.

Yeah, Joe Barry is probably finally coaching his final games with the Packers, but we'll see how the end of their season goes. Yeah, I'll throw a quarterback out there. Justin Fields, like how the year ends for Fields. I think he's already put enough on tape in the back end of this season, in my opinion

that they should keep riding with him. But with the fans calling for him to stay and with the locker room backing, they want Fields back. If he has a big game to close the season, I feel like the Bears can have a hard time going in a different direction. I think they're

having a hard time because the fan base would be split on that. But if the entire football community like follows head over heels about one of the rookie quarterbacks, which happens every year. So it's more like you're just weighing A versus B. That's, you know,

Caleb Williams and maybe Drake May are going to be viewed as as the best quarterbacks to come out since Lawrence, maybe like two or three years, that level to pass on him for fields. But I'm with you that this week, it's so fascinating. They are really, and we'll talk about it Thursday, but they really set up the exact same way the Lions were a week ago, heading into Week 17,

where they've had a ton of momentum. In this case, it's a defensive coach who's defense is playing well, and the offense is also playing better. And if they beat the Packers to knock the Packers out of the playoffs in the final week, I agree. I think it's going to be difficult to jump off that feeling of progress. And I think it would be an incredible situation for the Bears to be in because even if you don't think Fields is the Messiah that like when he was drafted

and they were all getting excited about it and rightfully so, if he's just merely good, you have. this incredible leverage of having the number one overall pick. After having the bounty that you picked up from the Panthers last, you can do it again with another team desperate for that number one pick. And you could really build a young nucleus. And you could just like move down to three and like take one of the receivers and get a bunch of. If they play this right,

if they decide they like fields and then play it right with in terms of the trading of the picks and who they take, they are a potential juggernaut. They're not far away from that happening. One of the greatest, like, oral history, like, long forms I read was when Cleveland talked themselves into not drafting Big Ben because they were obsessed with the fact that they had signed Jeff Garcia and free agency. So it's like the other side of it is that Fields just stays him. And then the GM has to sit there and be like, it's my name if we don't go get like the clear cut number one first overall pick just because we can add assets around Justin Fields. That has to work. It's a fascinating philosophical.

That has to work. Either way, it has to work. Right. Yeah, but I know what you're saying. It's a fascinating philosophical discussion, which we'll be having for months, I guess, but it's like a cost-controlled quarterback in fields who you kind of know now. He's going into year four and five. You could pick up the option, and it's still pretty low money.

And let's realistically put him somewhere, if we're even being a little generous, in the Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tannahill, not style-wise, but maybe you're not a top-10 quarterback for most of your career, but you're sort of on the edge of it and you're better than average. Like, let's, I kind of think that's where Fields is and where he's like.

But he also has the skill set. And he has some special things. And he could get better. A Josh Allen type skill set. Right. He could get better. I just mean like the level. Like if you're quarterback 10 to 12

or would you rather have the number one overall quarterback and that contract and everything. And I think it matters that he, they said we're going to go get you a big time wide receiver. And then DJ Moore came here and was absolutely as advertising

and has been a big time star for them so he's shown give me guys and I'm going to I'm going to produce it more was like why are we talking about getting a different quarterback right and then if you put DJ across from Marvin Harrison's son and we are cooking that's it

I'll stop I think a lot of Bears fans are on that page though doesn't mean it's the right one though fans make mistakes all the time in judgment no they don't know you're right we're just a couple guys at the bar all right

any other player by the way Well, the only, this is a mid-level quarterback who's like a fringe starter. But like a week ago, like the Baker-Mayfield thing was working in Tampa, a team that doesn't, they're not in position to go get a number one overall pick. And there was, like, there was reporting around the fact that there was mutual interests on both sides coming from an age and coming from someone in the team. I get it. But like after last week, talking about like two weeks could change things, totally flatlining

against the Saints. And then if they were ever to lose to the Panthers, it's like, we're looking for a new quarterback and a new lot of things at that point that that's a good point maybe a new head coach maybe a new GM maybe a new quarterback that's mark I know you're under the weather but I'm glad you brought that up because they are a team in flux if they it is crazy on week 18 against a panthers I mean it shouldn't matter but I think you're absolutely right and then if he plays pretty well you know you make the playoffs you maybe play well in the playoffs for a game heck they might they may play too because they're playing the eagles I'm going to throw out a random name here how about

the Rams defensive tackle Kobe Turner. Oh, who's Kobe Turner? He's someone that's not even listed on Bandool as one of the top six possible players for defensive rookie of the year. This man has nine sacks. Do it. He's a different. You have two and a half in the last... Keep going to say, didn't he? The pressures, I was looking at him

versus Carter, he has more pressures than Jalen Carter. I think defensive rookie of the year should be much more wide open than it is in Vegas where it's Carter has a pretty decent size favor and then Weather Spoon is in there for the Seahawks. Turner is there at the PFF grade. The pressures.

Everything lines up. He needs that, I think, get some media momentum and maybe have another sack or two. But man, like a defensive interior guy getting 10 or 11 sacks, that would be nice. Go winning a rookie of the year. Drafted. 89th overall. I mean, you want to less need... Their draft class. Good job, my man. He's had a year. And Shoney McVeigh, they are building that thing

on the fly. All right. Any others? That's it. They're not going to play garret i would say i do love coby turn it'd be nice for k garrett coby turn see that's he's not out of that's the value that you bring gregg so much value but the drop of coby turner it's like yeah we talked about the quarterbacks but there's also a nose tackle no one's paying attention to that week 18 yeah it's like all in the line what is he where where's he at defensive tackle i guess and then kind of like one moving around a little bit but yeah but you have to correct me there just let that one go nobody would have known maybe like bow wolf would have known

but like 99 point what 8% of people would have been like oh nose tackle that's right well now you've made a fool of me on the show thank you're not going to be able to come back from that easily what we're going to bust them down for that you're an intern again i'm sorry we got take it no no no no additional crew did what did we decide additional crew in AC additional that's that's what they give me for uh like driving the director executive producer to target for to pick up things no you're way more valuable than that for a flashpoint focus. And we're going to get to it coming up after the break.

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might be harder, but shoot, like said, our goals are ahead of us. We got to get things fixed, and we got to them fixed fast. We're not where we want to be right yet as far as, you know, how we're playing right now and how we're coaching right now. But we got time to get it fixed. And we'll get to work back to work tonight and tomorrow. Welcome back.

Nick Siriani. Whoa. The Philadelphia Eagles started 10 and 1, but have lost four or five coming apart at the seams, it seems this year, inconsistent on an office. offense, defense is turned into a mess with Matt Patricia being tasked to fix things up. So that tells you a lot. And now we're going to be joined by a guest who knows this team as well as anyone who's been on the show before, a friend of the show. Now with all philly.com, a L-L-P-H-L-Y dot com covering the Eagles.

It's Bo Wolf, Bo. Welcome back to the show. Thank you for having me. I got to say the last time I was on the first time was I was on paternity leave after the birth of my daughter. This was 2020. So, you know, Eagles despair cells, I guess. But I got to, I got to thank you guys because, you know, we all, we all like measure time in different ways. I look at my daughter growing into the, you know, the dynamo she is today. You know, you know, just this, this force of nature. And all of that time, three years and two months

or so, it's been in the back of my mind. Am I on the hit it and quit at one and done left? Oh. Now I can be a more present father. You are definitely not. No, we just needed the Eagles to start falling apart. That's what we like. I'm picturing, Bo, like all these great milestones of having a young child and your wife's there and you're just looking off into the middle distance during first birthdays and all these Christmas and all that stuff wondering, will they call again? Now you're there.

Maybe my resolution should have been to be a more present father and you guys are giving me that now because now I can put that to bet. Well, yeah, that's what we do to help, you know, our guests and you are, you're back on a second visit. So you're a good guess. And Bo, just, I took a big hit to my integrity at the end of the last segment with the whole Kobe Turner nose tackle debacle. You have a connection to Turner, I understand. Yeah. I mean, I figured, I figured you were doing that on purpose. We're doing Wake Forest here. We got, we got a Go Deeks conversation. Greg Dorch lights up the Eagles last week. We can just make that the whole segment if you want. And you knew that he wasn't a nose tackle,

right? Well, of course, you know, all good demon Deacons know that. Damn it. Damn it. Tim, who knows. All right. Let's talk Eagles. Let's do it. What's going on? What the hell? As Vince Lombardi once said,

what the hell's going on out there? Is this team, and they were, someone was asked, I wish I could remember who it is right now, is the team still believe in the direction of the head coach and it was answered in a way, like don't even bring that up. Do you feel like there's something internally building

when this team that could potentially blow? How bad is it right now with the Eagles? I do. And I think the thing that, like, gave that all away was the decision to, you know, fire, but not fire Sean Desai in favor of Matt Patricia. I mean, there's a, there's a saying that Fletcher Cox likes to say, which he's shared with us on our, on our podcast, which is the calmer you are, the calmer we are, right? And so, like, longevity-wise, keeping the temperature of the team wise, you want a guy who's sort of steady. And that decision at that point in the season when, yeah, you came off to blowout. losses to the Niners and Cowboys.

And there's some understanding that, you know, maybe they were looking at that decision at some point during the buy week. But to go from Sean to side, keep him around and sort of like do the embarrassing thing of, you know, making him be on TV upstairs. And then bring in Matt Patricia, who does not have a great track record as a defensive coordinator. He's not calling this defense. And you set it up so that, okay, he gets to play Drew Locke and then, you know, Tommy

Cutlets. And then this Cardinals team, that's very bad. And, okay, the defense should look better. And then they come out and put out, like, the worst defensive performance of the season against the Cardinals. They give up four touchdowns on those four second half possessions. Like, I think there is, I think there is some rot. And you think about, like, why that decision would have been made, right? Is it either Siriani, you know, being a little bit defensive about what is going on with the team and thinking that he has to make a change?

Is it the input of Howie Roseman or Jeffrey Lurie, people from above? Whatever the answer is, neither is suggestive of longevity. And so I don't think that that means that, you know, Nick Siriani is definitely on the hot seat when the season is over. But I think if you look at some of the like the body language stuff that goes on on the sidelines and some of the conversations that are being had about the predictability of the offense and you look, you think back to the decision that, you know, Jeffrey Lurie made to move on from Doug Peterson after 2020,

What he said was, like, deserve has nothing to do with this. It's like, how do we move forward? And so, like, Nick Seriani deserves to still be the head coach of the team based on how good he has been over the course of three years. But if they don't get the answers that they want at the end of the season and certainly they know more about the dynamics in the locker room than we do, then, like, knowing the history of this organization, I don't think it's insane. Wow. I was fascinated. It was a couple weeks back, Bo. you guys, I think it was after their second straight loss.

You guys, even then on your podcast, titled the pod, something like, should Siriani be on the hot seat? I was like, whoa, P-H-O-I going all hot take like WIP over there. You and Zach, I will share with you, Zach, Zach, you know, my partner, Zacherman, he did not like that. And I can't imagine it. But now here we are three weeks later. Right.

And the idea was to indulge the worst case scenario. And at that point, like, the worst case scenario was like, there's no way they're going to lose three of the next four. But then they lose to the Seahawks and the Cardinals. And you see the way that things have gone. I sort of, the way that I framed it is that like this season has been like they are speed running the post-2017 collapse. And so like the first third of the season was like the 2018 season when they were still good getting by on winning close games and like a borderline of contender. The middle part of the season was like 2019 when they were relying on all these old. guys and like just okay enough to make the playoffs. And then the 2020 season was like doubling

down on all these people who brought them input in the coaching staff, all of this turmoil and all of a sudden things blow up. So, you know, my sense is like most of the players in the locker room still like Nick Siriani. I think there was enough of a track record of him being a very good coach. Like I think he has been an underrated coach for the first two years of his career. I don't think he gets enough credit for what he did last year. But like the, I think the long-term concern with Nick was, like, all of the highs and lows, is that something that is going to last for a long time? We're seeing right now, like, is that working? I don't know. I think it's going to be like, what is your plan to fix things if this goes as bad as it looks

like it may go? And if they don't get the answers they like, remember when they fired Doug Peterson, it was like a week after the end of the season. They said that he was coming back and then they sort of went back and changed their mind. We'll see, we'll sort of see what happens. I thought it was interesting. I mean, to have the moment of complete meltdown happened against Jonathan Gannon's Arizona Cardinals team where they controlled the ball for 40 minutes, that's unusual for an Eagles defense in our time doing the show

or as an Eagles fan in general. And Shane Steichen is Coach of the Year material in Indianapolis. So part of the job of a head coach is to find the best people to take over when coordinator absences occur. I mean, I always thought that if anything, Brian Johnson, who had been tagged as Jalen Hertz's, you know, friend and coach and mentor going back to high school,

that's seen about as seamless as it could be. And it's not been the case. Hertz has been a different quarterback this year. And tell me if I'm wrong, but I feel like in some of these press conferences, there seems to be almost coded language of concern about the team in general. And like Hertz a year ago was like the leader of the year. And everyone talked about how he unified the entire locker room.

Where are the players in all this right now in terms of of like disenfranchisement because I feel like on a weekly basis AJ Brown is melting down hurt seems gloomy it just seems like the energy around the Eagles has bottomed out I don't think there's any doubt about that like vibes wise things are not great right now AJ Brown has declined to talk to reporters after each of the past two games he didn't talk last week he said you know if I've got nothing nice to say I'm not going to say anything at all the Jalen hurts of it all I have sort of made the case that like the team takes its personality from Jalen more so than Nick over the past couple years. I don't think that Jalen

has been the problem, but I do think like if we take a step back, it is, it is fair to say like, okay, the degree of difficulty for this season is very difficult. There's a reason that, you know, teams who lose in the Super Bowl do not often get back. There's like, there's rest to it. There is like the adjustment of expectations and dealing with guys in the locker room. As you said, they lost both coordinators. You know, we made such a big deal last off season about this was the first time that Jalen Hertz was going to get his second season in a row with the same offensive play caller for the first time since he was in high school. Okay, like, just because he knows Brian Johnson doesn't mean that that's going to be

a seamless transition this year. But like, you know, if I'm AJ Brown and I am this ultra competitive guy and I want us to win more than anything and I know that one of the best ways for us to win is for me to get the ball and I'm not getting the ball enough or where like the play calling on offense or the structure is not taking advantage of me. Devante Smith and Dallas got it enough, I would probably be upset too. And I think that last, the second to last possession of the loss of the Cardinals was sort of telling here, right?

Because the defense had been getting totally run over all game long. You know that the defense doesn't stand a good chance of stopping the Cardinals here. So Jonathan Gannon, with like five and a half minutes left, makes the, what I think was kind of a shrewd decision to go for the onside kick, knowing that if you don't get it, you're sort of baiting the Eagles into being a little bit conservative there to settle for the field goal because they're already within range. And the Eagles get, the first play, they get a nice completion to A.J. Brown for like 15 yards. The next play is a called run in Jordan Milana gets called for holding.

So now it's first and 20. And there's like, you know, four minutes left. You should still go for a touchdown. This is a bad Cardinals defense. And you've got A.J. Brown and Devante Smith and Dallas Goddard, a very good offensive line. And this quarterback you paid all this money to. And instead, they call Jalen Hertz Run, read option, and then a screen to Kenneth Gainwell on 3rd and 19 that gets DeVon Matti Smith injured as a blocker.

And like, I'm sorry. It gets everyone booing as the team takes the lead with three minutes left. I don't know if I've ever heard that booing before. Bood literally as the team takes the lead with a couple of minutes ago, that was kind of amazing. Right. And if you put all this money into those players and you can't trust them to go win the game against a team that is like incentivized to lose, then what are we doing?

It's a great call because who knows Nick Seriani's tendencies better than Jonathan again and they were together every day and you're right he baited him into that and then sure enough it ended up getting him beat now you also i keep one of the things i keep going back to because there's been obviously a lot of studying of what's wrong with the offense why hasn't been consistent but they invested four first round picks in that defensive front and you know to watch what the cardinals are doing and we all like james connor he's overcome a lot he's he's a solid running back and michael carter i remember back in his jet stays early on he was a guy that had some juice to him but had been off radar for a couple of years. What they were

able to do to just running over this expensive, high talent front of the Eagles is another sign of what's gone wrong with the season. Like, can you help make sense of what has happened up front? That was supposed to be the strength of their unit. It's a

huge question and it's the biggest problem with the Eagles this season. I think it's the biggest reason they are where they are is that the defensive line has underperformed. You know, we had Brian Baldinger on our show today, you know, your boy. And he's talking about how Jordan Davis is out there looking, like, out of shape, not trying. Like, why is it even active?

Like, we're talking about the guy they drafted one spot over Kyle Hamilton, by the way. Like, maybe there is a bit of a diminishing returns to investing everything in the defensive line. But it's not just Jordan Davis. These guys are underperforming it. And one thing that is on my radar about, like, the Sean Desai experience here is the Eagles organization has for so long been very heavy about their defensive line rotation. And the position coaches at defensive tackle and outside linebacker are the same as they were last year. Nick Siriani is the same. Howie Roseman is the same.

And the only different variable there is Sean Desai. And they were playing these guys way more than they had in years past over the first half of the season. And it's possible that that was a source of contention. You know, Josh Sweat has played already like 300 more snaps than he did a season ago. And if you were to tell me that this looks like a defensive line that is exhausted, that is what they sort of look like but that's no excuse for as you said like the defense is built around

this defensive line having all of these former first round picks and high price players meanwhile you got Hassan Redick dropping in coverage like seven times last week it doesn't seem like they're making use of their resources and there haven't even been that many injuries like there have been some injuries Nikobie Dean who they were counting on

to be their main linebacker is out for the season they've had a few injury you know Darius Slay has missed the past few games but it's no excuse. I mean, they have been like the worst third down defense on third and long in the league by a mile. It's sort of hard to explain. Right. There's so much talk about

Hertz and then I look at it and I'm like, he's still been a, he's still played like a top 10 quarterback. They have the number eight offense in the league DVOA. They have the 28th defense with all those resources. That is the story. You've had this theory like their coordinator was supposed to be Fangio and somehow

that got messed up. I actually don't even understand it was supposed to be fanio, but the Jonathan Gannon tampering case with Arizona somehow all led to that? Like, what happened there? And do you think, like, if this goes really bad, like, they either lose Sunday or they win Sunday, but then they lose the first round and it's ugly, so this is a two-part question. The Fangio thing just explained to me. And then do you think things get blown up, blown up?

Like, where do you see the blowing up happen? Because front office also might change. Like, Hallaby is getting, Alex Halliby is getting, supposedly getting interviews, you know, with other organizations. Like, a lot could be changing. here with this team. Yeah, so I think Ben standing at the athletic had the rundown of commanders candidates. He had Hallaby there.

I think he's been linked to the Chargers as well. Well, first of all, the Fangio thing. You know, he was in the building last year. All season he was sort of out of the building as a consultant, but they sort of had him on retainer. And then they brought him on like full force in the playoffs to sort of have him under contract. And listen, this is, it's not totally dissimilar to them having Matt Patricia this year, like he was sort of their, their plan B, knowing, like, when they, Jeffrey

Lurie once said that they, in 2021, the first year that they were, they were renting Jonathan Gannon, you know, they were, they, they knew that he was going to get a head coach job at some point. So they, they had a plan B in, in Vic Fangio. And like, we know that there is this, uh, this disconnect with the Cardinals because they had that, that trade, as you guys have talked about because of the tampering. And so Fanjo gets offered the Dolphins job around the time of the NFC championship game, but he doesn't take it because

the reporting is that he was sort of expecting to come to Philadelphia, but Gannon doesn't talk about how likely it is for him to go to Arizona, and maybe he doesn't know. Still, for all intents and purposes, the Eagles expected that if Gannon left, Fanjo was going to be their defensive coordinator. And Fanjo

Joe has said as much that he was expecting that as well. And so then all of a sudden, you get in the situation where you've got to reach for somebody else and they go for Sean Desai who is the Fangio disciple and then in April or May they bring in Matt Patricia I guess has a backup plan and I don't know it's hard to know exactly whether that decision to change things midseason was a Syrianian decision or a Howie Roseman or a Jeffrey Lurie decision but it's it's indicative of they were never really all in I think setting aside like putting him on TV which is just like you're sort of just

embarrassing the guy. It's hard to get over. And then if things go really badly, if they, if they lose in the first round, you know, on the road to an MNNC South team, I mean, I think that it's a difficult conversation between Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani about what do you need to change? And I think they obviously need to make wholesale changes on defense. My understanding is everybody in the building really likes Matt Patricia. And to me, from the outside, it's a hard sell to sort of hand things over to him. But maybe they're thinking that if he gets to build the defense the way he wants, then it changes something. On offense, I think they need at the very least fresh perspective. And you saw them do this, they try to do this in

2020 that brought in like Rich Skangarello to be the like Kyle Shanahan whispered like the run game and the passing game. One thing you see about this, he goes offense and it goes to the like the lack of creativity with it like they run motion at the lowest rate in the league there are no real easy buttons they're terrible against zero blitzes they need fresh perspective and so maybe that's you know nick seriani saying yeah i agree with that i need to get back to the drawing board who are some people i know around the league it's not a new problem to have like the brain drain of backfilling your coaching staff after after losing your top lieutenants but i wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to bring somebody else in.

Again, like, deserve doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it. I think if there is real dissension in the locker room between the players and Nick Siriani, you know, Harry Roseman is going to choose the players over the coaches. And I think that what we know, like, of a decade of watching the way the organization has run,

is that the reason they think they are successful is because of what they do, you know, personnel-wise. I think that of the three most important people, in the organization. Siriani, Hertz, and Roseman, you, Siriani is the least important in Jeffrey Larry's mind. Well, Dom, Dom, is first.

Naturally. Listen, this all, this Losing Street coincides with Dom. Curse of Dom. Curse of Dom. I floated it. By the way, there's a different team seemingly every January

that's like having the same conversation. Man, we really like Matt. Like, he's a good guy around. He's a friendly guy. I don't know if we need to have him around, though. Meanwhile, like, there's been this long feud between Darius Slay and Matt Patricia. Like, you meet Darius Slay, the first day you meet him,

the first thing you find out is he doesn't want to be called Darius, call him Slay. The second thing you find out is he hates Matt Patricia. And then they bring in Matt Patricia now. They say that, you know, they have mended those fences. Slay says everything is fine. You know, they hug on the field before the game. But like, it goes to tell you that, like, you know,

he's every side of the organization caring about every other side. Right. No, he calls him Darius. That's why. That's why it happened. And I'll put you on the spot before we say goodbye and check out, at all philly.com where they do great coverage of the team. You mentioned it. They're most likely unless the Cowboys gag, which is certainly always possible. They're going to be on the road

against the NFC South winner the first weekend of the playoffs. Let's say things go sideways. Baker and the Bucks 31 Eagles 17, all sorts of breakdowns on both sides of the ball. All that bad body language. It all comes out during the late stages of the game. The pressers are pretty woeful in terms of what people are saying. The energy is terrible. Percentage chance. Nick Siriani is the head coach gets fired after an event like that. Cataclysmic flashpoint focus for us.

Percentage. You didn't get me in trouble with Zach, I think. I'm going to go in that situation. Yes, that exact sense. I mean, he doesn't listen to this show. 31.17 bucks. I'm going 60-40. Whoa.

He go. He go. I mean, that's a lot of ifs to get to that point. We won't. We're not going to pull it for social. Pull it for social. No. No, we won't do that to you, Beau.

But I just wanted to ask you that. I'm giving you the same odds, Bo. If what we thought might be an annual occurrence, we have a tennis rematch at this Super Bowl. If the Eagles somehow snick in, I don't know if Dan even knows this, but me and Bo. Me and Bo, it's probably the most fun I had in Arizona. Also, Greg wouldn't bring it up unless he won.

No, I lost. Bo took care of me in a big spring. Big server. I could still move, but the lack of tennis playing over the last 20-some-odd years came back to haunt me, and he took care of me.

You're used to taking down Walker, right? It's a little bit different. Greg often has stated he was like a tennis champion where he was from. What does that say about Bo? He's a big hitter. It lays out the truth. Wow.

I think I might actually be in the Super Bowl this year. I think we're doing shows there for all the H. So we might have a rematch where the Eagles are gone or not. Maybe we can do it. I think I'm going to watch. I would need a couple drinks, but I feel like we could commentate that. I've not played tennis since.

It could be a podcast. I mean, we clearly weren't invited to watch the first time. So this is another one. Yes. Secret Super Bowl week, you know. I'm sure you are going to get an Uber on Saturday morning out to some, that's a little tough folks home where we said.

It was a great setup, but it was not a great. Saturday is going to be. My three-year-old is making all this noise upstairs. I'm sure you can hear. She's probably wondering, are you going to finally pay attention to me now? Right, right. Appreciate me, Daddy.

Go do that. But thanks, buddy. Appreciate you. See you. Thanks, guys. All right. Another big performance from Bowell. Never,

never under consideration for hit it and quit it. Just we waited for the right moment to bring them back. But we're so vague about who's on the bad list that if you haven't been brought back, it would go through your mind. He's in a tough spot because Eagles are one of my adopted teams. Colleen kind of handles the Eagles situation So it's tough It's tough to break in there

I think if I was playing singles With one of the hosts of this show Singles tennis Like I'd assume I'm on the good list Yeah Well but I If he listens to If Bo listens to the show

He knows I'm not the one Making that list ultimately I can contribute But uh What does that mean You're making the list I don't make the list Listen if you get

If you are Who's making the list mark I mean I would say I have a voice. There is very little controversy between us about who's on that. That would be true.

That's true. Absolutely true. There is consensus. There is never been a one way of you guys like, no, he's good. He's like, no, he's going. No. Like, usually we're on the same page.

It's a short list. Very short. I could think of one in particular. Yes. By the way, I figured out what it is about. I don't know which one you mean because I can think it too. All right, go ahead.

Oh, yeah. No, I know what you're talking about. The thing about it is, because I want to make sure, we're on the same page in terms of credits for production on Fleshpoint Focus. That's imperative. I think what it is that we're

bumping up against Sestog is that Greg really is important to it. And it's almost like to take it and frame it in like a TV show. He's like a real talent in the writer's room. But there's also, he's kind of erratic. He's like very confident, very kind of shoots from the lip and gets some people uncomfortable

There's been a couple inner office romances that went sideways. He crashed in a second here. He crashed a Porsche after the holiday party one year. You know, and there's just like, he's such a talent, and we want to promote him and keep him within the enterprise. We do. We do. But it's always just these things in the back of our mind, like we don't want to create a monster or feed the monster. You know what I mean?

Yeah, I think that, you know, it's when you give Greg a little bit of power, you start to become concerned with what can unfold at that point. And, you know, we sort of see it in various tangible ways, even with this production. I'm a weirdo. But you know what I mean, Greg? Like, it's not personal. It's just, I want to make sure, like, this is such a valuable property. You're threatened. A little bit.

You're threatened. I think you're using a guiding hand, Dan, like a fatherly guiding hand. You don't want. We see it. Yeah. We see it. We see what's happening. And we're like, can we control this?

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I know the answer to that. Look, he's about to say something else annoying. You're like your officer Winslow on whatever that show was. You don't want Erkel taken over, you know? You don't want to become the Erkel show. Okay, that's the right.

So you framed yourself as Steve Urkel here? Family Matters. Family Matters. Yeah, Carl Winslow got, he got banged that actor because he was coming off Die Hard. And they were like, oh, we got a vehicle for you. You're going to host like this very family. friendly sitcom on ABC. And he's like, that sounds great. And he becomes the star until

Erkel shows up. And Greg, his position himself as the Urkel, did I do that? And all of a sudden, it was Erkel, Urkel merch, and everything hung on Erkel. Yeah. Well, wait, so I'm not a, I'm not a religious watcher of that show or no, we're not. You want to know who you are?

Did he not appear like early in the show? Like, did he come in? Erkel was initially, he would show up every once at all. And no, you are not. because I know you sometimes get worried they had one daughter that just disappeared on that show that's not yet

how did she disappear I always like that she was gone one day she was gone they're just like this isn't working do you have the grandma or the daughter someone one day was just gone written out the script any family matters watches behind the glass

they were not even born in that show was they don't they probably just waiting they're probably like looking at their clocks right now all right that's it anything else good show got the big Thursday preview it was fine really a B minus

B minus I would say Really good though Strong Strong B minus B? I think it was good B minus That seems fair

Good? It's fair I mean Unfair You're saying it's unfair I think that's a That's the level we've been at That's our level

11 years Why go high Why go for today Change nothing From last year to this year All right Until let's see What is today?

Today's Tuesday We'll see on Thursday with the week 18 preview, hopefully another B-minus. Until then, heed the call. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On move to six, we take you inside the game

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