NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Coaching News with Ian Rapoport

Episode Date: January 6, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Ian Rapoport to discuss all of the front office movement from around the NFL. The guys start the show with a look at some of the trends in the decision making around the league (01:00), followed by discussions about Doug Pederson being fired but Trent Baalke remaining with the Jaguars (03:50), Brian Daboll and Joe Schoen both staying with the Giants (10:00), Antonio Pierce's security with the Raiders (14:52), rumors surrounding Kevin O'Connell's future with the Vikings (21:20), the interviews taking place for vacancies around the league (23:50), and coordinator positions that are now available (31:30).  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But yeah, this year it didn't happen quite as much. It's our NFL National Insider, Ian Rappaport, back on NFL Daily. What's up, Ian? I'm sorry there weren't as many firings as you would like. No, I don't. How many is like an acceptable number? What were you rooting for? I think it's great.

I was going to ask you off the top. Now, D'Rod Mayo happened Sunday night. We had a couple in the season. And so it was just one head coach, Doug Peterson, that lost his job today. Before I kind of go through a couple different situations, just ask you your opinion. Do you think there is any league-wide reason maybe for a little more continuity this year than most? Yeah, I sort of do. So I think a couple reasons.

One, I think owners, they've always hated. dead money, right? Like, dead money for players is something, something we talk about a lot, but dead money for coaches is, you know, significant. And there was a time when, you know, it was a big topic at the owner's meetings, like in the room with owners of just like how much dead money they are paying. And like, is that really worth it? Is that really the best way? Is that really the best way to do it? And when you fire a coach and then maybe you fire another coach, there's a lot of dead money. And like if you're, you know, the Raiders who, as of right now, I mean, they have Antonio Pierce seems like he's set to come back. That's what he sounds like. We haven't had that

confirmed. That's what he sounds like. But, you know, he's, they're still paying Dave Ziegler and Josh McDaniels. You know, if you're the Raiders, then you fire him. Then it's like you have two staffs you're firing. Plus all the, it's like, it's a lot of money. And so I think sort of that awakening or whatever for owners to, like, how much in dead money are we paying probably affected some things. And then there are always trends, right? Like this year, there were a couple first-time head coaches that really struggled, right? Brian Callahan, Gerard Mayo.

I mean, there's always some. Obviously, Jets fired Robert Tull. He was a first-time head coach. It feels like the trend is shifting more toward veteran coaches. Like, that's a trend, and that basically is sort of what tends to happen. But I also feel like we're shifting toward patience. Like the Giants exhibited patience because there's been so much flux over the last couple years. I think owners are like, let's just try to be patient.

And maybe that works this time, which I am for patience. I think there should be more of it. So maybe that's where we're going. You just want to calm Monday, which I don't blame you. I do want, no, I do want to calm Monday. I do. And I definitely root for my own. I definitely root from my own self-interest

but I also think that like I think about this with coaches and quarterbacks right like you can look across the league at the quarterbacks who we knew for sure sucked who are now starting for playoff teams right like from Sam Darnold to Baker Mayfield I mean there's Jordan Love I think everyone watched his first the COVID start

and we're like that guy sucks and he's really really good sometimes when you wait or you surround people with the right things, they become good. And, like, I think patience sometimes can show that and unveil that. And I wish teams showed more of it. So, yeah, I mean, I roof my own self-interest to have a calmer Monday, but I also think it's a right way of doing. Okay.

Let's go through them one by one. Okay. got the attention of a lot of Jaguars fans, Shod Khan, who was on a press conference on a strange-looking Zoom, said, what is a complete overhaul, he asked? They're asking, why did you not make a complete overhaul? They announced they fired Doug Peterson. This will be the fifth head coach that Khan has had.

And yet they've only had two GMs or executives over all that time. And they announced they are keeping Trent Balki, or that Trent Balki will be assisting in firing the new head coach. So you can put that together. Shod Khan says, quote, Hiring, not firing. Yes, sorry about that. I mean, eventually that's what happens

to Trent Balke's coaches. Hey now, this is what Khan said. What is a complete overhaul? You look at it health and wellness of the players, medical stats, analysis, scouting, number of elder elements are all those areas we've changed, we've improved.

We've got 85 people working on that side and you're going to say, I'm going to get rid of them and find 85 new people better than that. That's like shooting yourself in the foot. And my answer to that was, no, you can keep most of those people or allow the new

personnel guy to kind of form it his way. You don't have to keep every, you know, you don't have to change all those guys if you fire Trent Balke. Were you surprised that Trent Balke ends up staying here? Definitely not.

I expected this. Now, there are things that I expect that don't end up happening, right? Like, I was, you and I talked about this offline, But as of three weeks ago, Gerard Mayo wasn't going anywhere. Then, you know, look, on the field, it's been a disaster. So the fact that he was fired, I think, you know, I don't think it was warranted. But in the end, at least I understand.

Like, I get it. The product was not good. So, but I expected Trent Balchie to be around. It's a good roster. It is one that I think is really talented. And, you know, Trent Balchia has shown the ability to. stick around, to stick around and to maintain, you know, his status to be in charge. And to me, like, look, if this coaching staff isn't good enough, right?

If this coaching staff is one that doesn't take advantage of the talent they have, then they should probably move on and keep the people who put it really talented group of players. Like, this is what Chod Khan is essentially forced to make these kind of decisions, say, is the, what's the problem? And get rid of the problem and keep something that helps. Now, I think his quote is almost like, like, he's arguing something that wasn't asked. You know what I mean? Like, yes, if you completely blow everything up, like, I guess you would get rid of like the trainers, but that's not what they mean. What they mean is why didn't you fire the GM. And what he should have said was, I don't think the GM was the problem. And, you know,

this, the Trent Balky situation has garnered a lot of discussion around the league. But most people believe the roster is good enough that if you take everything you knew about the GM away, everything. And you would say, should you keep the person who built this team, most people I've spoken with today said, yes, you should. Wow. I don't know. I mean, again, take everything away just to get it's been a bit of a mess you know you got brian thomas here but you sort of like swapped out you know one absolutely fantastic uh draft pick for you know what before was kind of a top heavy receiver group they've spent a lot of resources on the receiver room so i i hope that it would be good uh they've had some injuries there certainly i mean but but but but think okay i don't

you don't know you took travon walker over aiden hutchinson they become a pretty good player though he's okay he's He's okay. He's okay. Like, you got a couple good pass rushers, sure. But he was there when Dave Caldwell was there, Trent Balke. And this is, it is a, it's a lesson for people out there. It's a skill in life to be able to manage up. Your old friend, Albert Beer, from the old Patriots, be a friend of me. Is that fair to say? No, he's friend. Friend. Okay. He used this. I don't like, I don't like the term managing up, but go ahead. There is a skill, I think, to talking to billionaires. And ultimately, Trent Balke, has the ownership's ear more than maybe the head coach does.

And that's the case for a lot of general managers and personnel people and or executive vice presidents. And he's convinced him that it's a great roster. I don't know if I'm that convinced about that. And our friend John Shipley, who was on this podcast before the season, he writes for Sports Illustrated. He talked to a coaching candidate who's been tied to the Jags who said, you know, as an unnamed source, like having Balki there makes them less interested in the job. I get it.

I get it. But here's what I would say. I mean, first of all, there's only 32 of them. So, like, you know, there was a time when Byron Lefich was a hot head coaching candidate. And I don't know if he, quote, unquote, turned down the Jaguars, but definitely made it known that he was not interested in proceeding and going further. And I think that proved to be a mistake. Like, to me, you know, in life.

Lest you know for sure, for sure, for sure that you are getting one, the thought of not taking one because of the reputation of a GM seems insane to me because you just don't know if you're going to be in that position next year. That's just speaking in general. Life is short, though, too. And if you have a good situation and maybe you're not only motivated by the money and the power. If you don't like money, I agree you should definitely. I know, but not, you know, if you're happy where you are, there is a value in that. All right, let's go to the Giants. The Giants announced they're keeping Joe Shane and Brian Dable. John Mara, the owner spoke to reporters.

Let's just listen quickly to Mara on Monday. I understand, believe me, that that's not going to be the most popular decision in Giant Land. But you believe it's the right decision for us going forward. How long will it take to improve the product, John? I better not take too long, Bruce, because I've just about run out of patience. Sat out to Bruce Beck, still getting it done. I mean, he was getting it done 20 years ago when I first moved to New York. Bruce Beck's son was my camper when I was a camp counselor, 30 years ago.

That's amazing. I think this is an example of what you were talking about, about team that had gotten used to firing a coach every two years. And they literally have done that with McAoo and Shermer and Joe Judge. And I can't say any of those firings were a mistake. but I do like that they're not splitting the two up. I have my doubts, but Mara credited the rookie class, which was really good. That's absolutely a fair point to make, wanting to build on that,

and then credited Daible as an offensive mind in that he's still the coach that was coach of the year a couple years ago. So I don't hate it. I just think that expecting this team to be a playoff team next year is difficult. So they're going to be two and four or something like that, if that happens early next year. and the pressure and the displeasure from the fans is this going to be immense. And yet, I don't, I don't totally hate it, even if I'm not totally confident in the front office, especially. Well, here's what I would say. I hope this is the right move.

I like a lot of those guys. I like dayball. I would say, hold on one second. I would say, yeah, I mean, this is, hold on. It's a busy day. It's a busy day. So I hope this is the right move. I would agree if they start out badly next year,

we're going to be in the same spot. But I think one thing that we've learned from a couple different situations, commanders, Texans, you get the right quarterback in there, things can flip pretty quickly. So if you believe in the coach and the GM, and I don't believe Joe Shane was ever in trouble, but let's just talk about the coach. If you believe in Brian Dayball and you think you can turn this around,

then you should do this. And again, we're not going to know if this was a right decision. It's going to play out. It'll either be right or wrong and it is what it is. But like, this is what owners should do. Stick to what you believe in. Do all the research. Trust the people you hired and keep going forward.

Like, I would agree, unless lightning struck, like Brian Dayball did not forget how to coach. So I firmly believe he did not forget how it. It's not like he stopped giving effort. So if you believe he is still the good coach you hired a couple of years, ago you should move forward with them. And for them, I hope that this is a right decision. I feel, I don't know if it was a bad edit, but watching Joe Shane on hard knocks made me feel like, you know, fans think that they could be a GM. And it's just kind of a ridiculous notion. Like, I could do that. I could. Watching that show actually made me think, actually, I think maybe

I could, you know, I think it could. You could not be a GM. No. Let's let's go to. Can I just say. Please, please. I'm joking. I get so. I get so. annoyed with people talking about how, like, you know, that that hard knocks was negative, like, you know, no team's going to allow the hard knocks to be there. Like, for the Giants, look, they did not make all the right decisions. I still agree with the decision to let Sequin go. I mean, I do not think he'd be the NFL rushing leader if he was on the Giants. And I think that, you know, for where they were investing in the offensive line with money being finite,

was a better choice. I have no idea if I'm right or wrong, but they had the opportunity to explain their decisions to all of their fans. For better or worse, I think that was a good thing. Anyway, go ahead.

Although they spent, you know, the same amount of money on like John Runyon and Devin Singletary as Sequin Barclay. It's just, there's sometimes it's more than, you're right, they would still be a bad team and for the sake of the NFL, I'm really glad Sequin Barclay left.

I think the picks that they said. I would also wonder, I would also wonder. And I'll never know the answer to this. If they match the offer, does he really stay? I will never find out the answer to that. I don't know. I wonder. Definitely would wonder.

Okay, that's fair. And yeah, the trade for Brian Burns, he was solid, but they gave up a lot, paid a lot of money. So they'll want him to get better. Mara specifically mentioned the defense. So we're not sure if there might be a change of defensive coordinator with Shane Bowen. We'll find out. You mentioned the Raiders. I do want to get to as many teams

because I know you've got to go fairly soon. So Antonio Pierce held a press conference on Monday. We've seen this enough that that doesn't necessarily mean he's staying. He had an interesting press conference. I watched some of it. He said he regrets not trusting his gut more often in his second year. Said he regrets his quarterback decision. Basically, he wishes he started Aiden O'Connell from the beginning.

Do you think he ultimately will be back? I'm watching that and I'm thinking, this is weird and Mark Davis is unpredictable and Tom Brady's in the mix now. And it just wouldn't surprise me if next Tuesday or pick a random day, Ian Rappaport's on NFL Network and there is a change. It's just up in the air, I feel like too, even though he had that press conference. Well, like anything else, until you get the official, you know, word from Mark Davis or the organization or whatever, like it's always up in the air. That's just, you know, teams sort of feel compelled now to announce or to have, you know, you know, you know, the Titans had a press conference and that basically announced a press conference,

and that was sort of the signal, you know, that was a signal that, Giants didn't make a press release. So did the Dolphins. So did the Colts, actually. You're right. It's kind of a new thing that we're, which is good. I mean, wrap it all up in a bow, you know. I think it's a good thing.

A couple of things about Antonio Pierce. You know, the vibe I get, and I am no expert. The vibe I get is early Dan Campbell. Like, they were so bad. They were one in seven. Like, this guy sounds crazy. He's talking, I mean, the clip that drives Tom Pelliserro crazy is we talk about biting kneecaps. It's like, he's so much more than that.

It's like, yes, but that became a symbol of like, this guy will do anything. That's the vibe I get with Antonio Pierce. This team is so bad. They played so hard. They played so many young guys. You know, Aiden O'Connell obviously got injured this year and didn't start. but by the end was playing absolutely fine quarterback and they were in games. They won a couple and were in games.

So to me, as someone who likes people sticking with people, that is enough to where I would say I would like to see more. I would agree with you. We haven't heard the last of this because we haven't heard firmly and finally. They played so many young guys and they're so bad that I think if they just take a little more time, they could actually be pretty good. I agree. I think they played hard. It was a credit to him all season.

It's not a good roster. They're kind of the most, they might right now, along with the Titans, but the Titans have the number one overall pick, be kind of the most forgettable team in the entire NFL, which is not a place you want to be,

especially if you're a Raider. The Raiders? I just mean, like, they're the Raiders, so they matter, but just watching the product every week and the players. Or you mean, like, who actually they are? Yeah, just they're,

it's kind of a boring team. At least the Patriots, you know, they have a young quarterback. You know, different franchises have something. They don't have much going on there. I don't know. We'll see. Maybe he doesn't want to be paying five different staffs in Las Vegas either.

Miami is one of those teams we talked about that did release a statement. Chris Greer is going to be back. Some people were locally were hoping maybe they would split the coach and the GM and maybe Greer, who has been there forever, would lose his job, but it's not going to happen. And on top of that, Tyree Kill changes his Twitter profile on Monday after having some statements about maybe exploring his options this offseason after the game. We talked about that a little on Sunday night's show. But then on Monday, he made his Twitter profile. His face poorly photoshopped onto Antonio Brown's body when Antonio Brown ran off the field in Tampa and was like, I'm out.

I don't know. Give me what you got in the Dolphins. because I agree patience kind of makes sense, although Chris Greer has been there forever, and it's going to be a big year for him and Mike McDaniel. And kind of where do you think the Tyree Kill will go? Well, first of all, so, you know, you say like it's going to be a big year, like, I guess, but this is sort of for better or worse, what it's always like.

Like, they've been close at times. They have not gotten there. They have not won a playoff game in, How long? They were in it, what, seven years ago, five years ago? It's been a long time. It's been over 20 years, something insane. That's a long time.

And so, like, their team is okay. And they were close and they did not make the playoffs. And it's like, here's the problem. Like, again, I don't know what the right move and what the wrong move is. It's so impossible to tell, which is why I talk about, like, could you be a GM? Of course, no. I think about sometimes, could I be an owner? I'm not rich enough, but could I be an owner?

Because these are such unbelievably high-stakes decisions, and everyone comes after you if you're wrong, and there's no way to know. Like, Chris Greer has done good enough to have his team right at the brink of the playoffs, but they have not won a playoff game in forever. So it's like, at what point do you say, are we're just starting new? Like, that's the problem, right? Now, as far as the Tyree Kill situation, here's what I would say. It's impossible to know what a player thinks.

right after the season. You miss the playoffs. Everyone's annoyed. Everyone's frustrated. Everyone's tired. I wouldn't take anything that anyone says for sure, for sure, for sure, right after the season. But, you know, Tyree Kill making $30 million a year coming off not his best year with a wrist injury at 30-something years old, like, would somebody trade for him and pay him that money?

I have, I for sure have some questions there. Yeah, I don't think they would give up much, but even before this happened, I think it was a natural time to wonder if there was going to be a divorce that it was a lot of ups and downs this year and he didn't play well. So I kind of expected him to, I think if they would just take anything just to the salary dump him potentially if another team was into him, although he just signed a new contract. Just signed a new contract. Right. So that makes it, that makes it a little more complicated. Before, you know, we had a bunch of coordinators. that did lose their jobs. But I did want to get your opinion, and we haven't talked about this offline or anything,

so I don't know what you think about it. Kevin O'Connell answered a question about the potential that other teams would be interested in Kevin O'Connell, who only has one year left on his contract after this year. Let's just listen to Kevin O'Connell. This is quick. Yeah, I'm not really interested in kind of, I guess I should say, address in the rumors or speculation.

What I can't tell you is I love this. team. I love everything about this organization. And this is where I want to be. This is this is where I want to keep coaching and leading. Not a surprise how he answered that. What do you make of all this O'Connell stuff? I don't know how much O'Connell stuff there is. I mean, if you told me that, and I don't want to make it seem like I'm talking about someone else's report because I don't like to do that, you know, because like there's plenty of my reports that someone could say stuff about. It's Like, you know, would some team like to trade for the probable coach of the year? Like, yeah, I would think if a lot of teams had the choice,

they would like to have the guy who's the coach of the year, I would imagine. He's a very good coach. If you say to me, would teams like to have this really good coach, I would say they probably would. We talk about coach trades every year. The Mike Tom and rumors come up every single year. The only coach trades we've had in the last like two decades, were a retired Bruce Ariens and a retired, not a retired,

but a sabbatical Sean Payton, right, unless I'm missing one. I don't know that anything involving a coach trade with a coach who's actually good is actual reality. I do not believe that is reality. And if you're the Vikings, why would you even consider anything that involves giving up on the coach of the year who has built everything? It just, none of this seems real to me. I agree, and I'm only speaking for myself,

but just the fact that it went out there on broadcast, and Jay Glazer was the one who reported it, and I'm speaking for myself here, not, just the fact that it was out there. And I don't know how it got out there or why it got out there, but generally I would guess that Kevin O'Connell had, like, it didn't totally catch him by surprise

that he got out there. Just the fact that it was put out there is interesting to me. Now, whether that's leverage for money, that's leverage for power. I don't know what it would be, but it's an interesting timing for it to happen right before the playoffs.

All right, let's take a quick pause here. We'll be back on the other side with Ian. Talk more about the coaching carousel. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game

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Pat's request Ben Johnson. That's all we've heard about. And he's going to do the interview. He's going to interview with the Bears. And it's early. They can only do it remotely. Do you think, which do you think of those two is more realistic, Ben Johnson? The Bears are the Patriots. Yeah. I would say if I were Ben Johnson and you said to me, could you have the number one quarterback or the number three overall quarterback?

Like clear of what he wants. You know? I mean, I would, like, there's Patriots are for sure not perfect now and the Bears are for sure not perfect. But they got, both of them have quarterbacks that I think he could work with. So I would say that focus for Ben Johnson seems pretty clear to me. Yeah, and there were... Well, would you ask, which is more likely?

Is that what you have? Yeah, which is more likely, realistic. I mean, I think, like, a lot of people, that Mike Frable is for sure the frontrunner in New England, so to me, the Bears is probably more realistic for Ben Johnson. Okay. And, yeah, they asked Robert Kraft on Monday specifically about Mike Frable, and he didn't really answer the question,

which is fine, it's at this point in the process. The Bears also have Aaron Glenn, Anthony Weaver, Drew Petzig and Mike Kafka on their interview list. I'm just going to read off the interview list that's been reported for the Jets. This is a wild group.

Josh McCown. Brian Flores. Nice to see he's not getting blackballed considering the lawsuit with the league and all that stuff. Joe Brady, Aaron Glenn, Matt Nagy, Ron Rivera, who's already interviewed.

Rex Ryan, who's going to. Bobby Sloick, the Texans coordinator, who, are we sure that he's going to keep his job, Arthur Smith and Mike Rable. That is a long list between those two teams, and there's been a couple Saints ones that have popped up to. I guess

I would just ask, like, which names catch your eye? What do you think is an interesting match? Is there any, like, semi-leaders in the clubhouse that maybe have a better chance than other guys that have been mentioned? So I'd say for the Jets, I would not be surprised if they hired a coach

who had previously already been a head coach. So, like, I look at someone like, Arthur Smith would be a good example. Did not treat the quarterback position properly in Atlanta led to really what they're in now. I mean, thought he was going to make it happen with Desmond Ritter while building a strong team around them. It did not happen. They were close, but it did not happen. He is really smart.

He is very good at offense. He can lead, and he's been there before, so he learns from his mistakes, and he's been around Tomlin for a year. like that's the kind of hired to me that for the Jets which is a really really challenging job like that's the kind of hired to me that would make some sense so I like I don't know what judges are going to do but if you told me they hired a veteran head coach or a former head coach I would say that probably makes some sense to me how about the report and Jane Slater has it at NFL network that the bears have requested to talk to Mike McCarthy I mean that makes sense I I would expect McCarthy to get a couple of requests. I mean, why, like, when a Super Bowl took a team to the playoffs many years in a row, like, I think Cowboys going to let it happen. I mean, I certainly have some questions.

What do you think? Where do you think that goes? Because the Cowboys is just open-ended. Like, his contract is over. Obviously, he's going to have to figure that out first. Jerry Jones didn't sound on Sunday night like he was in a particular hurry. They're not. They shouldn't be in a hurry.

Well, but then he has to, he has to answer this. request, essentially, that he has to let Mike McCarthy do this interview or not, doesn't he? Eight days from now. Okay. Like, Jerry, like, I do not think anyone will bully Jerry Jones into accepting an interview request. So I, no, I do not get the sense that they're in any hurry at all. I mean, they've eight days. So I, it's interesting you say the former coach thing in, in New York, because of all those

former coaches, Brable, Brable makes some sense to me with the Jets. if he wanted that job. We'll see. Arthur Smith, I'm not to convince he brings much of a schematic advantage. Rex Ryan. Don't think about it's schematic advantage. I'm sorry. Right.

Don't think about it. Matt Nagy was another one there. Of all those guys. See, Nagy is interesting to me too, though. Because, like, look, Mitch, they made the playoffs, right? Two years, I think, right? Two out of four. Is that right?

Did they? I think they did. Yeah, because he got the MVP one year and the other. one, they had the double doyink. I don't know if you remember that Nickelodeon MVP that Trubisky won, but it was a classic moment. But so, Nagy's a really good example. Mitch Trubisky is, I think, at very most, a backup. Nagy had us thinking he could be a starter or like a really viable starter in the NFL, right? Did not end well. And I think by the end, Nagy certainly lost himself

play calling wise and leadership wise like did not end well right for any of them I would be really curious to see what happened now that he's been back with Andy Reid what happens when he gets a second chance that to me is interesting

right? Yeah I was going to say of all those guys hell I almost would want to see McCarthy there with the Jets but I don't think he's leaving I have not heard McCarthy with the Jets yeah i uh that's true yeah that has not been reported at all i i'll let you go in i know you got 17 more hours of television to do um i have 26 text messages that i missed that's amazing that's i mean you wouldn't put it this way but i'm going to go ahead and say that's love you know that's how

you show love something ignoring text messages surely something it's my love language as they say did you happen to see while we were talking jerry jones uh jerry jones on that Billy Bob Thornton show clip that has been going around. Treat yourself. Just do it. Jerry Jones can. I couldn't possibly know what you mean by that. Go to Mina Kimes' Twitter page, and she retweeted it today.

He is on the new Billy Bob Thornton show with John Hamm where he plays an oil man, and he's got like a two-minute scene with Billy Bob Thornton and John Hamm, and Jerry Jones acts his ass off. And you might even be moved. And I just finished, people, I just finished Yellowstone. I'm going through it right now. It's the same, it's the same, the same creator created this show. Is it actually? Yeah, it really is.

There you go. Ian Rappaport, he does it all. Thank you, Ian. Thanks, man. All right, that was Ian Rappaport. I wanted to talk to him on this newsy day, get as much as I could with him. But there was more that we didn't get to. And I'm just going to run through it.

And then we'll send you on your way. nice tight show today, and then we'll get everyone in the studio for Kube Island season finale. Oh, on Tuesday. I'm looking forward to that. All right. The coordinators were not safe, even if the head coaches were on Monday. The Bengals fired Lou and Arumo, which makes a lot of sense based on how their defense played for most of the season. I thought the way they finished the year could potentially save him. He struggled to develop younger players over the last few years and sometimes even good coaches their run runs out in a certain locale.

He will be a highly coveted coordinator in this hiring cycle. And the Bengals under Zach Taylor will look for someone new. Bit of a surprise for me was that the Seahawks fired offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb. Mike McDonald was speaking on a radio hit this morning and said that his offensive vision was just different than what he was seeing out of Ryan Grub. And if you go back and you look at what they were saying before the season, what D.K. Metcalf was saying before the season that they wanted to be a run first type of team that set up the passing game. And you think about the vision that Mike McDonald want.

As a defensive coach, I think it's their inability to really get that offensive line to be able to block for the run to run consistently at all was the difference there. So they will have a new coordinator there. Gino Smith has had a new coordinator every year for a while now. And Mike McDonald was just a tad noncommittal when asked about Gino Smith on that same radio broadcast, which is a change. He's been so in Gino's camp. That might have something to do with the contract of Gino, which is a little up in the air right now. He has one year left on it, but they could lower his cap number by extending him. So he might not have wanted to say anything that got him in trouble with that contract.

But I have a feeling, Gino Smith will be back. We'll find out who they hired. The Browns fired their offensive coordinator, Ken Dorsey, along with their offensive line coach, Andy Dickerson. Not a surprise there that Dorsey, to me, was brought in to almost run a Deshawn Watson style of offense. It didn't work. Some of the Browns players, including their offensive lineman,

Jack Conklin, even said after their final game of the season. that essentially we can't build an offense out of one person's talents. We got to do what we do well. And that essentially is saying we should have the play action under center type of offense that Kevin Stavansky has been great with and not try to make everything work for Deshaun Watson, who probably will never play another snap again. These are my words, not Jack Conklin's words. There was a report or it came from the GM of the Browns that there was a complication

in Deshaun Watson's. recovery from a torn Achilles when he came in for a physical. That raised my eyebrows a little bit. There's been some news that Deshaun Watson had his contract reworked and that means they'll have a spot for him next season. I don't believe any of that. I think this is all theater. I don't think Deshaun Watson will ever play for the Browns again. I personally don't think he'll even have a chance to compete again. And this injury almost gives them cover that we just won't see him for 2025 and they'll work out some way to either cut him in 2026 or just get rid of him. And I have my doubts whether he'll play football again. We will see. So I just went through

all the coordinator firings. We talked about all the interviews. I didn't mention the Jets GM situation, which also has a diverse group of options. We had mentioned in the past, Jim Nagy, the senior Bowl guy, got an interview there. John Robinson, the former Titans GM, who used to work with Mike Frable, interviewed. Louis Riddick, who works for ESPN interviewed. Thomas Dimitrov, who now is working for summer sports, got an interview. He used to be with the Falcons. Ryan Grigson, the guy who built the offensive line that helped Andrew Luck to retire, got an

interview. Alec Hallaby, the assistant general manager. of the Philadelphia Eagles forward-thinking organization was on Jordan Rod Riggs, the Playmakers podcast. You guys should check that out. That would be a good hire. Mike Greenberg, not the get-up host, but Works for the Bucks, was another one. And yeah, one name I didn't mention just because the Jets coaching interview list is so wild, was Brian Greasy, the former Monday Night Football commentator who's been a quarterbacks coach for the 49ers. I really get the sense that the Jets are just,

interviewing guys so like get information out of them so we're going to be tracking all these interviews we'll see what happens throughout the course of this week some other minor um news or not surprising was out of carolina where bryce young was confirmed from dave canales it was good to hear him let's actually listen to dave canals well i'd say we'll take a week to week we got no more weeks you know so um yeah bryce is our quarterback um you know i i'm so proud of the way that he just took the challenge and he just grew every week he just took new less new things applied it to his game. So that is Dave Cadales,

confirming without a shadow of doubt that Bryce Young is their guy. He's their franchise quarterback. And the other news there was that Agiro Evro, who would have been a popular defensive coordinator option in this cycle, despite a bad Panthers defense this year. They just don't have any players.

He will be staying in Carolina and Dave Canales, who got to work with Evro, as part of an arranged marriage, says he really likes Evro and wants to keep him in the building. So that's all the hiring, that's all the firing. Unfortunately, we got some bad injury news for the Packers

that Christian Watson will miss the playoffs. It's expected that he'll have surgery for a torn ACL. So that's really disappointing and changes how that offense looks. But we'll be talking about all the playoff games in our preview show later of the week. As I mentioned, on Tuesday, we're going to tape it, trying to decide whether we put it out Tuesday afternoon or maybe overnight as we switch to the office.

off-season, get into that cycle. Let me know which you guys like. But either way, we got Weiss, hopefully, back in the building. We got Connie Wolf back in the building. We have Jordan Roderig of the athletic. Let's play the music, Eric. I got to prep for some QB Island. It's going to be tough to choose.

Yeah, thank you to Ian Rappaport. Once again, looking forward to getting back in this studio. Look, when Matt Nagy is interviewing for head coaching jobs and Trent Balke is getting his coaches fired. You know football is back. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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