NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Combine Day 2 with Daniel Jeremiah, Mike Garafolo, & Colleen Wolfe

Episode Date: February 26, 2020

A stadium filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal bring you all of the latest news around the league including Joe Burrow speaking on if he'd play for the Bengals, Baker Mayfield's weight gain (16:00), and the latest with Tua's hip (20:00). NFL Network reporter, Mike Garafolo, stops by to discuss the latest with the CBA and hand size (31:07) and then Dan and Daniel Jeremiah squash some beef before chatting about the combine. (51:00) Colleen Wolfe comes by to end the show with some Connie Fox Sweepstakes submissions. (1:10:05)Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mark Sessler, Chris Wesley, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. Arm talent, one of my least favorite little combine words. I could think of some that are less pleasant. He's got some great writing talent.

He's got some great hosting talent. Give me a break. How else would you like to encompass all that goes into arm talent? Just go back. back and look at my answer from when we had this same convo two years ago on and around the podcast, I think, I don't know. A little later in today's show, we spoke with Daniel Jeremiah yesterday, and you'll hear

that interview, and he uses some, the equivalent of corpo jargon, some buzzwords and describing a workout that he had personally witnessed, and there's some armed talent talk in that discussion and i had a lot of stuff to square away and and talk about um an address with move the sticks and it was as always pretty contentious and now dj has offended gregg with his verbage no no it's just that one just that one you guys both showed professionalism anger fluid hips it was it was fantastic um yes this is our second show of the week from Indianapolis at the NFL scouting combine, the underwear Olympics, as they're known by some, will kick off a little. That phrasing is annoying.

Should we get rid of that? That's gone. It's gone. It's over. That will kick off later in the week. We're all on airplanes tomorrow. We're here, as we always are, to cover kind of the NFL news side of things. And we're going to get into that some headlines from around the league.

But today's show is a good one because we got a lot of guests, a lot of good stuff. said move the sticks is going to be here we'll do some prospect talk and settle some scores uh we also have mike garifolo uh of nflb network good dude and highly knowledgeable and plugged in we're going to talk to him about what's going on with the cba talks uh speaking of contentious and where that's headed and also get caught up to date with any other league happenings mike is super plugged in and then we'll close the show out with a little bit of connie fox she's going to come up to the suite here at Lucas Oil Stadium and we're going to listen to the final

entries for the contest, the Connie Fox theme song. So that is fun. I can't wait for that. But before we do any of that, I was going to throw it to news, but actually I want to address our show on Tuesday,

Mark promised that the robe that you wore during Tuesday's show. Yes. A bathrobe. A bathrobe. You promised you'd walk from Lucas Oil Stadium back to our hotel in that robe.

And you were true to your word. 100%. And we were by your side the whole way back. And it did catch the eye of one notable league figure. Greg, you had the eyewitness account. That's true. And we all sort of forgot about it immediately. Mark is so comfortable in his own skin when he's in that robe that everyone just forgot about it.

No one seemed to have noticed. But as we were getting closer to. our hotel it's about a 10 minute walk we were almost done with it i did notice a group of uh 49ers personnel and john lynch their general manager just like staring us down and west you noticed it too and i like okay and then i like look down because i was just like okay this is weird we just made eye contact that's enough look back up still staring look back down look back up still staring and it took me a while to realize it was it was a quadruple take you called it was it was a quadruple stare down take that he was doing and then i oh of course he's

staring at Mark. Well, you naturally, I don't know if everyone does, but I'm like, oh, maybe he recognizes us. No, no chance he recognizes. He's just like, why is a grown man walking through this hotel lobby in a bathroom? Yeah, I've learned to use the combine, you know, we're here for three or four days as an exercise in a bridge burning. Like if I, you know, we live in California, if things went south with our show, maybe

float up north and work for the 49ers in some capacity, will not be happening. Not anymore. You could cross that off the list. You're that guy in the hallway, according to him. Yeah, for a second, I did thought, oh, maybe he knows the podcast. No. And then we had our annual St. Elmo Steakhouse. It's not about the meat.

It's about the meat. And that was a great time. Ricky, did you have a good time with us? Yeah, it was awesome. Yeah, she did. Greg. The night ended very, it was a celebration. I think we all had a really good time.

And I think that's where we leave it. I think so, too. Yeah. We're all great. Everything was great. We're all here. It went out to a nice. So rare to hear Erica, like,

lost for words are just short borderline sheepish It's rare No no no I just think that a moment Like we shared together is best among friends Time capsulate Yeah I mean you know we went to a nice Tavern after a place

I find during combine That was not a tavern but well it's like almost like what It's wanting to be a nightclub It's a prime steakhouse I didn't see anyone eating steak there I saw everyone Turns into a bar right it's like flooded with sort of indie based groupies

Slash Harpies trying to talk to like GMs and coaches and celebrities, you know, please. A lot of journals. And not us. A lot of journales. And I won't say who the coach is just because I don't want to be a jerk. And this guy has already gotten thrown under the bus in his career. And I'm not going to be another person to do it.

But he was with a buddy. He rolled in late. It was probably after midnight. He had a bud heavy. And his friend had a beer too. And this head coach was just standing at the periphery of this crowded bar. And I just think I couldn't stop. looking at this coach because I was like you're a head coach man you're supposed to be owning the town like remember the legends of indian apples of combine week guys like rex ryan holding court at the shake shack like these guys are larger than life figures that have many entourages i saw this one particular head coach just alone with his buddy waiting for somebody to talk to him and it actually broke my heart a little bit why couldn't he if he had just been having a good time with his buddy and not even thinking any of these things i don't know i just didn't love it i just didn't love it and i will not

say who it is same coach though i think we can say this that removed that we talked about on wednesday show that removed uh the dip out of his mouth with his bare hand so he he uh was a what a week i would winered of the tobacco there is a previous event we were at where i barged into a group of coaches with a beer in my hand i believe and you're going to have to narrow that down well i'm not going to say who it was but uh this man was among him and i thought this he could and with one hand crushed my entire skull and just silenced me

and he could not have been nicer so, you know, I'm not he's not on my hit list. We've given the ATN subreddit subreddit enough hints. You guys try to figure it out from there. All right, let's get to it. Let's do some news.

The defense gets you to the championship. The quarterback's win championships and I definitely feel Doc is that quarterback. I Here we go. Mike McCarthy's back. You know, is it a little bit kind of like, and Mike McCarthy's back?

I'm happy the guy's back in the league, and he's getting paid nicely and he has one of the best gigs in the football world, but not the most charismatic figure. And today he spoke one of the last few coaches at his press conference and didn't say much about the Cowboys, but that's just a little snapshot into the fiery charisma

of one Mike McCarthy head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Once told me if he was not, a football coach in life, what would he be a construction worker? And I think that that kind of fits. These sweeping generalizations about offense and defense, I think we should keep them in the 1960s, where they belong. It's also kind of a weird statement. Right. Defense will take you to the Super Bowl, but only in the Super Bowl will the quarterback win?

It's just so weird. Okay. Why are you taking out all the other aspects of football? I don't know. It's like basing it on your own experience and that's it. That was kind of true of the 2010 Packers. I'll give them that. Yeah, but they needed Aaron Rogers to get to the Super Bowl.

Of course. I mean, okay. Speaking of quarterbacks who hoped to play in the Super Bowl, Joe Burrow, he is the big name. A lot of people that are in the know believe he will be the number one pick, the LSU Heisman Trophy winner, to the Cincinnati Bengals. We talked about it last week. There had been some speculation, and maybe, Wes, you pointed out,

maybe people reading too much into some things that the young man said and he was asked about you know with the draft coming up are you somebody that would potentially throw up a roadblock a la Eli Manning if he wasn't happy going to a certain team like the Cincinnati Bengals here's what Joe Burrough said you have any reservations about playing for the Cincinnati Bengals I'll play whoever for whoever dressed me you know I'm I'm just not going to be presumptuous about you know what what they want to do it's the draft you guys have been covering it for a long time you never know what's going to happen so that should put to bed any lingering questions about whether borough would go to

Cincinnati if they do indeed take him as their quarterback of the future that was a pretty simple yes or no answer and the answer was yes i'll go me even pressed him on it and he's like i'm not going to not play right so he he was clear about it good job by us noting that people were probably making a out and out of a moho. That was a media-generated story in the end. The beast is hungry. Isn't there another angle? And I know this kind of happened with Baker Mayfield and the Brown, Sam Donald and Jets, is there's another career path where you go and you change a franchise that's been

ultra moribund for decades and decades and become the player that Cincinnati will never view in a LeBron James-type level. Or you go to Cincinnati and the Bengals change Joe Burrow. I mean, that can happen too because I can't think. of a team from coaching staff on down with more questions right now. I have no idea who the Bengals are. These quarterback press conferences at the Combine used to be such a big deal, especially when it was in the old location.

I remember a lot of heat on the Cam Newton year, for instance, like how is he going to handle himself? We're not too sure about this guy. Then it's like he aced the press conference. All that stuff is kind of silly. With all that said, watching Joe Burrow and I watched the big chunk, he just seems like the Bengals fan base is just going to absolutely love him. He has such like a cool, easy confidence, not letting things bother him.

I just sort of love it. He's custom made for Cincinnati with his personality. I mean, he has that he's sort of a blue-collar guy, but he also has a little bit of cockiness. A little bit of sassiness to him. In a good way. I'll just play devil's advocate. Is it possible that he said what he needed to say at this event?

Absolutely. And he might not, he might still, because he holds cards and he might play cards still. I'll play devil's advocate. We could ask Mike Garifo that later, and maybe he'll have an idea. But I do believe that people just took what he said incorrectly, because when he was talking about leverage, he really was talking, I believe, his reason

was what he needs to do during this pre-draft process. He has the leverage to not work out here. He has the leverage to pick and choose the teams that come to him. He doesn't have to work out for 50 teams. He doesn't have to work out here in Indianapolis. I really believe that is what he intended, and people just misunderstood. And to Mark's point, my inclination being from Cincinnati and following the Bengals pretty closely for so many years, is that they'll end up ruining this guy.

But it's not really fair. I mean, they don't say that. Things can change. They didn't ruin Carson Palmer, Kimo Von Olhoff, and shredded his knee when they had one of the best offenses in the NFL. Good point. And that's not the Bengals' fault. But then you look at how Carson Palmer's. relationship afterwards they ruined yeah right you look at how his career ended with the bengals

much of the organization is different at the top of the chain it is not joe burrow could he bring you back to cincinnati as a bengals fan west no okay just check it in just i like to check in you know i i understand that but you can't manufacture love i get in the look hey if nothing else if he provides an entertaining style of play maybe the bengals could at least be a a team you enjoy watching again and not rooting against there have been times when I've enjoyed watching the Bengals on game page. More good news for U.S. because I know your family members,

many of them are Bengals fans. I love how you always go to this angle. It's true. You turn your back on your brothers. My brothers don't root for the Bengals. Mark Maskey of the Washington Post reported on Tuesday that NFL teams are strongly against renewing the instant replay rule making pass interference reviewable.

on the competition committee's off-season survey, 21 teams said they're not in favor of making the rule permanent to eight teams that said they are in favor of making it permanent. As you may remember when this rule went into effect after the Saints got screwed, the New Orleans screw job costing them a spot in Super Bowl 53. They put in the rule that you could throw a flag for pass interference. However, it was a one-year trial balloon.

And now the time has come to decide whether to make it a permanent rule or walk away and see it as a somewhat noble failure. It made the product worse. To me, it's that simple. It's kind of an embarrassment if they walk away. I do think that the competition committee will try hard to improve the rule and get support to vote. on a new replay rule because I don't think they just want to give up. But it sounds like this rule is the way they did it is not coming back. They're going to have to tweak it and try to convince owners to try it a different way.

But they were tweaking it in the middle of the season, so they've already done at least one tweak in a way. Can we stop with the mid-season tweaks? Right. The rules in September should be the same as the roles in January. At least the NFL is acting flexibly about this, where we can have these surveys and make changes until you get it right. because I know the XFL, let's say the thing melts down in a year or two and it's gone, but you are looking at a competitive league where they're saying we're going to make everything that troubles the NFL, we're going to use it to show our strengths.

We're going to be hyper-flexible, you know, take some age-old installed rules and just blow them up. And the NFL needs to make sure their product is perfect. And pass interference has been a devil for season after season. in other news by the way do you think our listeners can hear the person that's speaking loudly no way no way Ricky do you can you go knock some heads there's another podcast being taped right next door

I can hear them yeah yeah but who has better numbers you think like who should actually be talking and who should be just listening I think they're interviewing Jordan Palmer right now oh right well so I guess so we attempted to get so we were we were outmoded there we never put in a formal request I mean, let me keep it down, but are you trying to say that as if, like, that's a huge get or something? No, I'm just saying I'm not going to go knock skulls.

All right, let's move on. Baker Mayfield, oh, Baker, you had such a tough season in 2019, and how do you get better? Well, you got a new coaching staff that's good, and you wipe away all the hype and build-up that seemed to work against the Browns. Well, you also, you know, your figure. maybe a little bit plump, as it turns out. NFL networks Ian Rappaport reports that Brown's quarterback Baker-Mayfield plans to be slimmer and faster in 2020. Rappaport added that Mayfield put on some weight last year to bulk up and he lost some quickness. So we know, West, you talk about it a lot, where the league's going, your quarterback's got to be able to move.

Make plays off, what is it, off schedule. Off schedule plays. And maybe Baker, did you notice that, Mark, that he wasn't able to make some of the plays he made as a rookie off schedule and instead was being dragged down in the backfield? I mean, I think that absolutely was apparent from the opening week Titans loss where a combination of pass pressure and general guidelessness. The whole offense seemed to lack a map from week one to the end of the year.

and Baker-Mayfield's performance was lesser than year one in every single category. And it kind of worries me because I'd say he's one more ultra-mediocre season away from a lot of big questions being asked again in Cleveland at that position. That said, you know, I remember when Russell Wilson shed some weight and became more lithe than able to move quicker and it helped him have an uptick season. I think Baker Mayfield was a combination of not quite taking his role as seriously as someone like a Tom Brady would last year, combined with a team in chaos that on a weekly basis did not put him in a great position to succeed. So that's the kind of thing that you could say bounce back campaign potentially if all these things go right.

But a lot more question marks around Baker Mayfield than I ever could have imagined when we were talking about him a year ago. A little Rubin-esque. little zopting he didn't he didn't get big and thick with mussely he just kind of looks like like dan you saw him so i'm at the super bowl normal dude right yeah at a one of those parties and he does strike you that's the one thing we all know and it was maybe the only major knock on him coming out of college was his size that he's not a big guy he's not tall um he just looked strikingly normcore is that what i said earlier today which is you could describe you know us that way He looked like in a sea of people at that party

It looked like any other guy And covering our league or this league, excuse me Covering this league, quarterbacks do not look like average people So what he has to work on, I guess, is just carving that body up a little bit Getting a little shredded and maybe taking it a little more Maybe like Ben Rathosberger, not a beautiful body

But he has the size to sort of make up Like carved out of a like a grassy mountain Mayfield is never going to be a guy that's going to easily see over his line and things like that. So he needs, I would think everything else, he's got to check all the boxes physically. Get that bod tight. All right. We have to do that, too, Mark.

I mean, I, what I, it's one of the only traits that I share with any professional quarterback, in this case with Baker Mayfield is the body needs some work. We, this is, this is, this is body season now. Get it, get me out of this. It's snowing outside. Get it back to L.A. getting on the streets. Out of the season.

You get past the Super Bowl. you get past the combine, and then he can start working on a little self-care a little bit. And paying a little bit more attention to what you eat, you know, exercise a little bit more. This is something. I usually have my best bod moments from really post-combine till about September, and then things start rolling downhill. So it's bad season. Well, very similar to the track record like Eric Mangini had as coach in the league. It's a tough season.

It's a long season. If you use that off season to only indulge in the, you know, the sweeter things, you know, Your next football season will see you looking like an orb. Early period, Rex Ryan. All right. Moving on. Tua. How did he pronounce his last name again?

What did we come down with him? Tongo Violoa. Nice. All right. I'm going to go toua for now. He continues to be on the right track physically. He had that terrible hip injury that ended his college career at Alabama prematurely. There was concern at the time that it could be a type of injury that could.

really hamper him and cost him dearly as a prospect well everything we're hearing back is that his MRIs are clean and he is a guy that once he goes through assuming he goes through the pre-draft process and the workouts and you know he's not working out here right no but he will have i assume the pro day uh if his body is able to do that in time and then if that alleviates fears about him physically, he's going to be a guy you think is a top 10 pick. And it led me to just check in on the draft board. And I just want to see that.

I want to check out this top 10. Let's look at it. With Tua potentially healthy and looking like a guy who's going to be. Hoping to have a pro day April 9th. April 9th. Mark, what have we learned? He's going top three, right? He's a quarterback.

He's going top three. Someone will trade up for him. Well, you have Cincinnati at 1. and let's say that's where Burrow goes. You have the Redskins at two. Now, they are playing coy and saying, you know, we're open for business potentially. But this Chase Young guy, everything we're hearing

is that he's a potential generational edge talent. But I think in a perfect world, like the most perfect world, you know, they, who knows you, maybe they could trade to three like San Francisco did and they tricked old Chicago to giving up some extra picks. I mean, they took Solomon Thomas, so it didn't work out that great. but let's say they stay put and take young three the lions we've talked about them they seem like a team that could absolutely do business and a team trades into that spot and perhaps takes to her and then you're seeing some mocks i just saw bucky's latest mock he has two a go into the dolphins at five which would be kind of funny because all the hand wringing and all the bearing of the dolphins which was they kind of earned that very job.

But they might end up not having a historically bad season and getting the guy they wanted all along or wanted, you know, last September. It could work out that way. Well, if you, so the medicals on Tua have been very positive. And let's say the next couple of months just were glowing in terms of his workouts and everything else. Are we putting it at zero percent chance that the Bengals would ever be wooed into the TWA scenario? Is it zero?

Is it, we're just clocky. Burrow to him, no questions asked at this point? I agree with you. You should ask the question. I don't think you should ask the question. The Bengals is an unpredictable franchise. Did anybody see Joe Burroughs hands, nine inches? What a disgrace.

I mean, we got Mike Garifolo just walked in the room. What if we just extend this convo? We ask that question to Mike and get that whole thing going. Oh, let's get a head sight on Garifolo. Let's fly. All right, he's got the headset on. Now we can ask him. Hand size, be honest.

It doesn't say, it doesn't change how we feel about you. Seven inches, seven and a quarter? I don't know. I'm curious myself. How long is an iPhone 8 plus? Because I'm more than that. We got to figure this out. We should, you know what?

We should measure it. Well, a dollar bill, a dollar bill is six inches, right? He pulls out of 20, by the one. That was just a show of power. You'll take out a single. I'm all out of hundreds. I'm a TV guy. I take out my 20.

I'm all out 100. It's working with about eight inches over there. Did you introduce me? Did people know? This is Mike Garifolo, ladies gentlemen. So I'm six inches and a thumb, okay? Well, you've really learned a lot about podcasting and hosting as one of the unnamed friends on Rapsheet and Friends. Yeah, I know.

The Rapsheet has Friends podcast, which Mike Garifolo hosts. Ostensibly. The beauty of it is it gives me cover, right? When something goes wrong, well, it's not my problem. It's Ian's podcast. Whereas if your name is on the podcast, you know, a lot of responsibility. falls on you. Excuse me, it's, it's the rap sheet has friends?

Yes, with the question mark, yeah. All right, Mike, thank you for joining us. You're plugged in, you get it. And we have to, what, we were just talking some quarterback stuff with, obviously, the draft and everything. We'll start, we'll start with, where do you want to start, Mark? Well, I think we were talking about, you know, the medicals look great. And if he were to have a glowing lead up to the draft, is there any percentage chance

based on what you're hearing from these big wigs all over the place, that the Bengals could ever move off the Joe Burrow fascination and even contemplate taking to it first overall? I would think not. As someone explained to me this morning, and not really someone in the Bengals' decision-making process, but close enough said that... Like Brown?

Yeah, no one with the last name Brown, said if we don't take Burrow, they're going to burn. the stadium down basically and I mean might be doing them a favor it didn't sound like they haven't burned it down yet yeah it didn't

they're not that kind of a fan base I don't think so I think that that was a bit overstated have you seen the beer cans they threw on Ben Rothlitzberger's lifeless body when they were calling them up the field yes yeah and I remember a certain pep talk by one Sam Weish at one point two

let's listen to that yeah well the next person that sees anybody throw anything under this field point them out or get them out of here you don't live in Cleveland you don't get in so yeah so no I think it's a very very very small percentage chance and the thing with Tua is he's my friend contractually he's my friend Ian Rappaport and he's the only friends he has sources and contractual friends he's reported a lot of Too real. A lot of glowing medical things on Tua, which is great, but it's still going to be a thing.

It's whoever winds up taking Tua is taking a risk at some point, a medical risk. But at least if you're the Redskins and Ron Rivera spoke Wednesday today, you know, that they're open for business at number two. It does raise the, you know, possibility that someone is more likely to give up a huge offer, forget about going to three, to get Tua at. two with the Redskins. Yeah, and I think Rivera is playing the game. I think if they truly, honestly, were going to go quarterback, you wouldn't know about it. It's like getting whacked by the mob. You'd never hear anything.

It's Tony Soprano. If the Redskins were going to go quarterback. If the Redskins were going to go quarterback, yeah. So the fact that they're doing it now is the whole, hey, anybody want to play? And Rivera was asked about, you know, is there a fallback scenario here for you where you would trade out of that spot and he paused and said yeah but it's probably not very realistic um so i i think that he's playing the game in a number of ways i still think they wind up with chase young um but it also gives you a little bit of a kick in in the pants if you're dwayne haskins um to know that and there's

a lot of that going on around the league right now with mike mayock saying you know if we can get better at quarterback we'll get better we like derrick car a lot um there's a lot of motivational employees certainly in Tampa bay right now a lot of pants kicking yeah oh yeah oh yeah kicking him um and and the thing with haskins and i got killed for this last year i said you know there's there's talk about he's got to get in that playbook more he's got to be in the facility more he's got to do it um Doug williams last week comes out and says if i'm dwayne haskins i got to be in that bill he better be there till they kick him out of there number one uh and then you got revera today talking about how great it's been so far for him to show up at the facility make his rounds

and see dwayne haskins in the wait room see dwayne haskins uh in the meeting now granted Rivera wasn't there last year, but it's clear that he knows what the reputation is and what Haskins needs to do here in the soft season. Less selfies, more grinding. Yeah. That was subtle score settling by you going back to kind of point out that you had it right. It's the right move. As Rappaport, way too many Rappaport references, but as Rappaport likes to say,

the mean streets of Scoop Town, there are rules and there are... Is that a real thing? It is. It is. Are those the only mean streets he's ever seen? Scoop Town population. Like 30, maybe? I guess I've written down here, Nicest Insider, question mark,

because I kind of view, you know, a lot of these guys are very cutthroat. They'd probably take each other out if they were given a chance. You've always struck me as a kinder person, but I'm questioning that to some degree. Well, I feel like my cover's been blown in the last minute here.

So it's more of a subtle twisting of the knife and they don't forget that I said this late. Well, there's some things that I tend to carry with me and some things that I just kind of go, whatever, but nothing bothers me more than the guy that goes, well, as I reported months ago, as I told you. How about the guy when, like, news happens, and then he's like, well, I wrote this article two and a half years ago

about how good this linebacker group is, like, hey, no one cares about your old article. I think we've all done that on this podcast, though, so maybe we should pipe down a little bit. What's funny is I saw the opposite recently. I saw a guy. Let me see if I can remember the details of it. So I said something about

Who the hell was it? Oh, it was D.K. Metcalfe. And I said, I will never understand why D.K. Metcalfe went as low as he did. And another reporter, who shall remain named, this is a friend of mine, basically came after me and was like, well, you're forgetting it this and this and this and this.

And I'm thinking he's telling on himself. So I went back and found stuff that he had written saying that D.K. Metcalfe, not his own opinion, the people he talked to around the league. And I'm thinking, you dummy, you're telling on yourself. Nobody's sitting there saying, oh, well, this guy wrote all this stuff before the trip, because nobody remembers. So that was the opposite of it.

I feel like that was not very productive of that person. But I love him, and I'll buy him a beer later. There you go. That's not rap sheet. No. Okay. Let's talk CBA, because you are a good point guy on this. And I think, as we've talked about it on the show, it is in the best interest of everyone.

from fans, the media, that this gets done, but will it get done? We shall see because player representatives voted to send a new deal that's already been approved by the owners that includes a 17-game season to the full union membership. You need a simple majority of some 2,000 players to accept the agreement for it to go into effect this year. Now, we've been seeing bubbling up today on Twitter,

players that are against this deal saying it's got to be a negative vote and a no vote and Russell Wilson we saw that's a prominent name and then we saw one of the pouncy boys Marquise was it? Yeah, Pouncey boys Here's, let's listen in on a video message he put out on social. Let's count the bleeps

Man, the shit so fucking crazy man I vote no That our NFLPA the dudes at the top The leaders man that's all fucking bullshit That ain't looking out for the best. of the players. If y'all want my vote, the Pousy Twins vote, no. And if any player, or any one of our teams, if y'all heard for rent money or anything while we go through this lockout, call us. Man, we got way more money than what they had back in the days.

We ain't got to worry about that. All the vets are each team standing to f*** up. Stand up. Show these guys do we care about them. Man, I care about all you young players, and I love you guys adele. I ain't going to let y'all down. Trust and believe. They're trying to sign a bull's-ass deal just so these motherfuckers is sitting the president can go around and smile and say, I got something done. You didn't get shit. done 12 but should there have been 13 okay because ass made it through there I don't know if you noticed that that's fair point we allow ass on this program not not a kindler gentler pouncy brother offering help to other players I hear the

sailor's language but yeah I do find it interesting that his plan is for the veterans to float the younger guys they'll see how that goes my sustain itself my mind you they should all go straight to the pouncy brothers so so let's let's review the tape here So Pouncey's counter proposal was, oh, wait, that's right. There was nothing in there of substance. And don't worry, young guys, the older guys are going to take care of you. I just, I don't see the logic that that's going to work out. But it might not pass if the player representatives only voted 1714 in favor.

So all you need is a majority in that, you know, in that group of people, it was a slight majority. It seems like it's going to be a close vote. It's very interesting because the initial need. jerk reaction was this thing's going to get past. There's going to be no problem once you go to the majority. These guys are going to be like, all right, so we get to keep playing football and we get a little bit more money, cool, vote yes, blah, whatever. But a lot of times now these guys might be influenced by what they're saying, oh,

if Russell Wilson's against it, if Aaron Rogers is against it, if JJ Watts against it, oh, maybe I should be against it because it's kind of, they figure that these guys are a little bit more plugged in. I will say this. Look, the NFLPA went to this, and I don't want to get too deep into the weeds because nothing makes people's eyes rolling their heads more than revenue splits. But the PA went into this with the intention, this is what you hear from the league, of really working for the lower end of their pay scale.

I've heard estimates of anywhere from 60 to 70% of guys in the league players are either rookie deals or minimum salary deals. So guys in the lower end of the pay scale. And they're going to get, the low end is going to get like a $90,000 pay bump on the minimum salary. Now, I had an agent say, oh, big. go up they got 90,000 more for that's a lot of money to that guy okay especially making 500 yeah yeah I mean do the math on it right and on top of that he's going to get other escalators that don't exist now in the current there's basically going to be more money for that guy so if he really does

look at what's coming his way I would think you're going to have many more yes votes than no votes from those guys and that that should make this thing easily pass I just you know I know there's also I've read stuff about the TV deal pending, that contract, the Trump election. You want to get this thing done sooner than later. But is there any scenario where we get like a 19-month holdout and while you're in front of Park Avenue, I'm at like a semester at sea doing something that I want to do with my life.

They don't offer that for men of your age. Yeah. The last time. They're in school. Yeah. He's just kind of like, hey Princeton undergrads, what's going on? Well, you could study abroad, but it's a different, There's a, never mind.

The last time this happened in 2011, I got married. I'm not saying that's going to happen again. It's always possible. I never know when I'm going to come home and the locks are going to be changed. The dear John letter? It was great. It was very convenient for me because we got married in March. We actually went on two honeymoons.

Now I'm really sounding boogey. I'm sorry. I'm holding $100 bill. I'm sorry. I was holding $100 bill. It's pertinent to the story, though. We go away on one honeymoon. I come back.

Rhapsi has friends podcasts. Not a lot of listeners, but a lot of money. A lot of money. Well, let me calculate what we got last week off of that. Oh, it's 100% of zero from the week before. Yes, that's great. So. Tough sitch.

It was great because I kept leaving and coming back and saying, what happened? Nothing. Didn't miss any. I wasn't covering the league. I was covering one team. That would be different now. I don't want to stand on a corner is what I'm saying. I'm glad that you want to do the.

The Albert Breer Memorial Roll. That's Bert Spare's Corner. So the great, so Albert Breer, love him to death, stands on a street corner for six months, comes back and gets these, once the lockout was settled, there's all of a sudden these tweets. Like, he may have been trending. I don't even know if we knew trending back then. He may have been trending on Twitter because people were like, oh, fantastic job, Albert Breer, so great, whatever. And Steve Politi, my colleague at the time at the Star Ledger, tweets out, and I'll never forget this tweet. I actually went and found it a couple of days ago and sent it to him.

He tweets out, I'm sorry, did I miss something? Did Albert Breer just come back from the front lines of Afghanistan? And I'm like, dude, that was harsh, but actually kind of funny. And I just found it and sent it again. I said, hopefully you're not tweeting this about me in a year. It's a very hot summer, as I recall. Well, that's the thing about this negotiate. Everyone's paying attention to it on a day-by-day basis.

But compared to last time around or almost any time around, it's 99% done. And they're way ahead of schedule. It really isn't something that probably needs to be overly stressed. about because so much has been agreed to the players who are upset about it i mean they're upset with the union who's been working like hard and kind of getting their you know good points into the deal as much as they can for six months they've been negotiating this deal it's their deal but what have those players those dissenters been doing for the last six months playing football playing football so they kind of came in and we're like all right cool where we what what about this thing that

we were talking about back then yeah well that that that didn't fly well what about this what about that you know so they feel like a lot of catch up now yeah and and and saying well we got to go back no no no we we we already talked about that you guys were were and and like your podcast this these are volunteer jobs these team leaders it's yeah yeah thank you for reminding me percentage percentage chance by three years from now zessler with the hammer drop it's a 17 game season percentage 100 there's no way it doesn't happen no way no way all right And it benefits the players. I mean, is one more game really going to take that much off of them?

More wear and tear and those kinds of things, I don't think. How did 16 get to be the only number that works? That's what I want. 17? No, like, there's this idea that 17 is too brutal for the players, but how did 16 get to be the only number that worked? It used to be 14. 10 years from now, when there's another CBA bargaining,

it's like, how stupid is it that we did an odd number? We got to go to 18. Yeah, oh, yeah. I mean, hey, of course. That was the whole idea. I mean, it's basically like losing in the wild card round every single year. You are the Marvin Lewis Bengals. The entire NFL is the Marvin Lewis Bengals.

It's like the Patriots have been playing a 20-game season. Somebody call. Somebody call Marvin and calculate what all those games took off of his coaching career. Took off of his life, really. Why don't we figure it all that? Or contact Bengals fans and see how many. Yeah. Marvin Lewis took off their life.

There you go. Mike, you've said it all. I mean, you're a busy man, and still you made it up to Sweet 13A slash B. Yeah, that's all we got. I think I'm in B. If I lead back, I'm in B. If I sit forward, I'm in A.

Partly in B. While you're here, a quick one. Yeah. Like, just give us which teams you think are going to go bananas in free agency. I just want to know this. See, I say Seahawks, but if they re-sign Jebby-on-Clawny and Jaron Reed, that doesn't really count, right?

Or like the old guy. Eagles, maybe, Colts, maybe? I could see the eagles being aggressive. I don't see the cults being that aggressive. I could be wrong about that. Is Rivers going there? I saw a report today about that it's going to happen rivers to the cults. Not sure about the source, but.

Put me down for no. Really? Yeah. Put me down for no. Okay. Interesting. I'll see if I can come back with the info on who I think it's going to be. To us first.

Oh, they're getting someone else. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Well, yeah. Somebody's got a. Do you have a one wild, like, QB, Carousel, prediction or a thing that you think could happen that one wild one i see

wild would be brady winding up somewhere other than new england to me um one wild one teddy bridgewater in tampa maybe is that wild no but that's good i like it nothing about teddy are moving on nothing about teddy is wild yeah i mean the chargers can't honestly be going with tyrod till they've got to have something up their sleeve tyrod and justin herbert maybe you know now all of a sudden makes a little sense right yeah mike garifolo he is of course NFL Network Reporter extraordinaire, also the co-host of GMFB Weekend with Colleen Wolf, who is in the background, that's her. I never knew Colleen to be a woo girl.

It's a big one. Big woo girl. Mike, thank you for joining us, and come on again. In the not too distant future. We love how about a free agency special. We'll make that happen. Absolutely. All right.

Mike Garifolo. All right, there he goes. Mike Garifolo. Always good info with Mike. and before we throw it to move the sticks to settle some scores and do a little Joe Burrow talk. And it's a nice conversation with Mike. We do need to do something. We had teased a Peter Schrager, Mark Sessler, update on yesterday's show, but we didn't get around to it.

So I think we, none of us know what happened between you and Pete when apparently crossed paths here in Indianapolis. But just a reminder that last week Mark put out his. NFL media personality power rankings and three members of Good Morning Football were on that list. Connor Orr, who sadly fell ill with the flu this week and could not make it out to Indy and couldn't join us at stake night

or Nikki Blaine's crushing. And also, of course, Atlanta Journal and Constitution's legendary beat scribe D. Orlando Ledbetter. All right. Pete, not on the list. And it made waves and social. people, you know, tagging him.

And it seemed like the start of a potential beef. Well, and some people, you know, correctly or incorrectly, it's up to you to decide, noted how upset Mark, you know, was that he was not the most respected member of the around the NFL podcast, according to Schroger. And it seemed like a very one-to-one response. Well, so that was the last time that I saw Peter Schreger was out poolside. Pool-side. When I asked the question to him, which one of us. Don't ask the question if you don't want the answer. Well, and I did not like the answer at all because it was formulaic his answer.

But then you asked again the next time he was on her show about a month and a half. Oh, really? Right, and that was by phone. No, that no, in that incident, he didn't do a power ranking stuff. No, he gave a review of our on-air network show, and I had created and put a lot of heart and time into a little two-minute ditty called Operation Dirtnap, and he basically said he was watching on an airplane. I had no idea what was happening. That's how he described my... Which really got you angry.

Part A, part B. So I have not seen them since. This heat's bubbled up. And, you know, it was raining a couple days here. The sun refuses to come out into the sky in this city. I don't know if I'm not sure what the deal is there. But I'm getting into an elevator. Basic weather pattern.

It's just rolled in and it's going to roll out. Cloudy. Got into an elevator in our hotel. And, you know, it's one of those scenarios where I can hear someone rushing towards the elevator door as it's shutting clothes and slam clothes. And as, you know, with about three or four inches, I see the form of Peter Schrager trying to get into my elevator holding an umbrella. And so I thought. He's a tall guy, too.

He's a big guy's probably got you by about four to five inches, I'd guess. Maybe less. I don't want to, I'm not going to oversell that. But. And so, you know, my first inclination is, had it been anyone else, I need to immediately open that door. And so, but it's, you know, it is Peter Schrager, and that was a very awkward moment because we made eye contact. and I don't know what he knows about this so-called feud that we're in. Oh, that's it?

Well, no. So then I'm looking at the bank of buttons on the elevator, and there's like 600 of them, and I'm, like, waging war with this thing and finally find the one that has the two arrows going in opposite direction so that the door opens, and then Schroger is standing there, and we look at each other. Face to face with your enemy.

There's no one else on the elevator. He comes in, and, you know, he's coming in from out of the rain, and he's like, hey, what is this goodest, see you but what is going on with this this feud this thing i'm caring about the he's like i haven't listened to the show in quite some time i believe were the words he didn't mean it in a malicious sense the way that we believe he was on vacation as well yeah he was he was out of the loop and so at the time of your hit piece right and so i tried to explain to him i said listen you know uh peter and it's like it could not get to the eighth floor

quick enough for me to get out of the elevator and i you know and i'm saying to him things are fine it's absolutely it's just it's dust in the wind uh you know there's you go Did you play it as a, you told him it was a manufactured joke or did you tell the truth that it actually comes from a very real place? I don't want to, like, sit in a feud with someone. So I viewed it as a chance to kind of reconnect if we've ever been connected and to try to, yeah, bury the hatchet. Over like the 37 seconds before the 8th floor. Yeah, that's a quick trick. The door opens and it's very efficient elevator.

Well, and I had to move. So the door opens and as I get out on my 8th floor and I'm turning around and the door's closing on his face, I don't know what came out of mouth. I just said, love you, bro. And I walked back to my room and I was, that was just an incredibly awkward meeting. But he couldn't have been nicer. So I will say that my internally, I'm feeling a little bit less heat around the few. You know what else? You now have him totally off balance because love you, bro.

I love you, bro. He's like, where is this guy coming from? And sometimes I feel that with you. So imagine somebody that doesn't know you as well, totally discombobulated. It is concerning. I have an update on my own. I randomly shared an elevator with Peter Schroger. How many floors?

What's this guy just hanging out at the elevator bag? And what? He cradled you like a baby, I'd imagine. Yeah, it was eight floors. I'm on the same floor as Mark. No cradling. But he did ask, hey, what? He asked similarly, I think he was trying to just see where did it come from?

Or was it in fun or were you actually? It is squarely on Pete's radar. And I did mention the genesis of it that, you know, it came from when, you know, he had asked that question. as you were spooning on the floor of the elevator. And he's like, well, I didn't do any power rankings. He's like, I didn't rank him last or anything like that. Well, I think it's pretty clear where I ran. By the way, Greg couldn't wait to give the context to Pete again.

You know, remember when they asked, like, who you respected the most, and you said me without even a beat? Do you remember that? You remember that, Pete? Remember that? Remember that? Actually, I don't even know if I walked through all this. It was about a 10-second ride, so there wasn't too much to it. And, yeah, I said it was all.

It was all just in good fun and having a little fun. I find it odd in an annoying sense that we both were in solo elevator rides and you had the chance to reframe history a second time. I squashed it, I thought. I mean, even more so. He said, no, it was all in silly fun. The only reason Dan and I don't have Peter Shreger elevator stories is because Greg nipped it in the bud. He would have been there today.

Waiting for me and Dan to figure out what was going on. And I do feel, again, as the host of the show, I do feel a responsibility to get Pete on the show to close this loop because there just seems to be a little bit more to address here between Mark and Peter directly. So I'm going to effort toward that with my producer, Erica. Love you, bro. Love you, bro.

All right, let's get to it. We spoke with Daniel Jeremiah yesterday. Here it is. All right, here we are at Lucas Oil Stadium in a very spacious suite because we are with the shield and we are with the man of the hour, the guy who basically, once it's Danny Jeremiah draft season, the ego is just out of control. And I'm going to get to that in a minute.

But first to be nice, as the host of the show, let me introduce Daniel Jeremiah, aka move the sticks to the around the NFL podcast. Well, first of all, it's nice to see that Sessler dressed up for the occasion. So that's really welcoming, you know. I feel like you're stepping up your game when you come on the big ATN pod. And part of that is in your appearance. And this is this. It's challenging.

I'll put it out way. You probably already know everything that we don't about this. But the whispers about moving the combine away from Indianapolis are untenable to me because it's a tunnel system that connects us. I walked right over from the room wearing the bathrobe from the room. Mark has hit the level of madness where he is, yes, wearing a bathrobe in public. And I imagine this is something that will stay on tonight. St. Elmo and maybe for the rest of the week here. I think it's like my new look heading

into my 50s and beyond. The way you can make that work, though, is you can get like some Velcro with Miyagi Do Karate and just every hotel you go to. You just use that robe, slap that thing on the back and they think you're on, you got your gie on, you're on your way to a tournament. You're an idea, man. I like it. Daniel Jeremiah,

you and I, as always, have an issue. And this one I want to get to it, because we're going to get into some combine talk. I think Dan doesn't even look at you all he's talking trash about you. We're going to get into all that, but I just want to start with how this trip began, which was, let's just say what it was, like a very bad foot we got off on, because at LAX, I get on the plane, immediately, uh-oh, bad sign. There's no air conditioning on the plane. There's going to be a delay.

And it turns out we were sitting on the plane for an hour and a half before it took off. But who do I see as I get on to the plane right there in first class, Daniel Jeremiah? And I'm going to tell you something. Your agent did a nice job. Your agent got you first class booked into your contract, written into your contract. I have no issue with that. But it was the self-satisfied

smirk that you had. As all of your colleagues, me, Charlie Yook, David Ealy, just a parade of people walk by you. How proud you were of yourself that you were sitting in this giant leather chair while the rest of us headed back to the

meat grinder. It's funny because I I don't even remember you getting on the plane, but it could have been the flight attendant was taking drinks before the plane took off. It could have been the conversation I was engaged with with Sean McVeigh, who was sitting next to me. I don't recall, but I really didn't even remember you getting on the plane. I don't know why you would become Indianapolis in the first place for the combine. But then I find out, I log on social media,

and who's lobbing shots from the bathroom in the back, the hands is? Well, here's the other thing. So like I said, there was some type of issue with the heating and cooling. So we're sitting on the tarmac. And this is what Jeremiah does. He's a nice guy to your face. But the wheels are always turning. He's leaning over into the middle of the row talking to Sean McVeigh,

Les Sneed, the GM of the Rams is to his right. And he wants me to see him comfortable with his champagne and his big fluffy chair and his conversation with one of the great minds of football. And you didn't care how long we were sitting on that tarmac because you felt fine. I did feel comfortable, but you're not telling the rest of the story because you lob the tweet, take your shot. And I did, I made sure we were at a comfortable altitude

and the fastened seatbelt sign was off and ventured out into the back to say hello to my good friend, Dan. I can't find him anywhere. I'm going up and down the aisles. I'm like, this guy, he's been in the bathroom for 20 minutes. I don't know where he is. And then all of a sudden, I asked Charlie Euk and everybody, I'm like, well, I see this guy who's asleep.

literally with his forehead on the seat in front of him. That guy. Like, really? And then dead asleep. And so I did what any friend would do. I woke him up and said sorry and kept moving. He woke me up. He was dead asleep.

I shook him, Greg. I shook him like that. And he looks up and he goes up and he looks at me and I just kept walking. I struggled to sleep on planes and it was a harrowing lead up to getting into the air for you to wake me up. Like, you know, that just, again, that was, that was the question. rule i have to say Dan though one question are you more annoyed that he was put into first class to begin with or that you weren't i can't tell if this is a status issue with him or you

it's not so much that it's first of all there was only one this is a plane it was the only direct flight from l.A. to indianapolis he was the only NFL media personnel in first class and i'm talking there are higher higher ups in the shadow league figure sector that were in coach yeah but i i measure higher ups by that paycheck and and we don't have any reporting on this, but we know that an NFL team, we know multiple NFL teams came after this guy a few years ago to work in that front office.

So it's not cheap. Your nickname to stay in the move of the sticks business. I can transition us right into the combine with this answer because having been on the road as a scout for eight years and having been in cars driving straight from Boise, Idaho, back home to Southern California, and driving out to El Paso, and then being stuck on great company, Southwest flights,

but in not necessarily the best position on some of those Southwest flights. When I had the first opportunity to redo my contract at the network, my agent said, okay, this is kind of what we're looking at it. I said, look, I just want first class. Like if you can just get first class in the contract, I don't even just, you figure the rest of it out. But that was the one thing I fought for. We're in a labor dispute right now.

I died on the hill of I will have first class after all those Hampton End stays and uncomfortable drives. Nothing against Hampton ends, but lovely established. You get a nice cookie out front and everything. How many major corporations are you going to, you know, hand little cookies to? Mark, to answer your question, no issues with the first class. Ultimately, it was the smart. And it was the lean over and, hey, look at me, I'm a star.

So you thought while he was speaking to McVeigh, yeah, he's somewhat paying attention to one of the more interesting offensive minds in the league. But he's mostly just thinking about how does this impact Dan Hansis? Yeah, I would say that would be what it is. I had to pretend that I couldn't hear coach the entire flight so I could lean in closer. and just look back over my shoulder. Now, come on. All right.

We should talk some football with you because to be serious for a second, you are one of the biggest names at this event now, which is cool because certain people, we've been at the company long enough where I remember when Move the Sticks was a guy kind of, you know, on the rise a little bit. But now you've reached this place where people are seeking you out. They want you at all times. And I just want to ask one question just before we get into some prospect talk.

Do you think, do you sense coaches, GMs, other high-ranking league personnel, some kissing up to Daniel Jeremiah at this stage of your career now that you've hit this level? No, I would say a lot of that, but I'll tell you, there's surreal moments because you know a lot of these guys from having worked with them in different teams and you've got your friends in the league. But it's still, I can remember this is kind of a weird story, but about three years ago down there in that concourse, we were in between drills or something. I had a little break, so I went to the restroom. And Jason Garrett walked in at the time, coach of the Cowboys, and called me by name.

And I just remember being, you know, somebody who grew up was a cowboy fan growing up as a kid. And I was like, the head coach of the Cowboys kind of knows you. It was just a weird moment. And then I thought, you know, I should probably just go to the bathroom. This is really a bizarre situation. Was he clapping? Daniel.

Great job at the urinal, Daniel. It was a last job. We heard this up. Here, we got to go. We got to go. You were on Good Morning football this morning. I checked that out. I thought it was interesting because, of course,

Joe Burrow is what everyone is talking about at the quarterback position. And you actually had a chance to check him out. And you watched him work out. You spoke with him. And you think this dude is real deal, Holyfield, star, potential superstar, right? Well, yeah, he just doesn't have a huge arm. Like you say, what's right with him? And I can go on the laundry list of things that are right with him.

And he's got the best pocket awareness. of anybody that I've seen, just his comfort and feel inside the pocket. His superpower is his vision, and they did a nice job, and we talked about it of usually just five-man protection, get everybody out into the route, and this guy can see the entire field where so much in college football, depending on the safety, if they're in a single high or too high look, you work one side or the other. This guy can take a snapshot of the whole field, and if you have a breakdown in coverage, he's going to find it right now.

So his pocket awareness, his vision, and then his ability to accurately throw the football, they're off the charts. Now, he doesn't, I watched him work out with Sam Darnold, who's got a little bit stronger arm than him. Josh Allen's got a lot stronger arm than him, who was out there who's got a huge arm. Kyle Allen was out there as well. So he's not going to, you know, to use Jordan Palmer's phrase,

he's not a driving range quarterback. You're not going to go out to the driving range and watch this kid throw and be like, wow. Somebody said he's going to shoot 68 once you get on the course, and that's kind of who he is. Well, you know, we are kind of plugged out of college football during the season. We're not paying attention. So, treat us.

Like noobs when I asked this question. Yeah. Something like, what's the difference between Henry Ruggs and Jerry Judy? So Jerry Judy is a more polished route runner, a little bit better in his release, a little bit better at the top of his route when he has to work and get back downhill. Rugs is ridiculously explosive. He's more than likely going to be the fastest player here. Rugs has got better hands, which is unusual.

Normally you marry the speed and those type of guys traditionally you sacrifice some of the hands. You think of like Pashad Perman and some of those type of players, Ted Ginn, another example. this guy has that level of speed he dropped one ball last year so he's got great hands he's just not as refined as a route runner but you've seen it you know you look at tyreek hill that's going to be the template for him of ways to get him the football right now and we had a chance to talk to chris ballard earlier today and he was mentioning how that was tyreek hill's initial role was the debo samuel role for the 49ers it's only grown and evolved into him being you know that every down wide receiver run every route on the tree he's got a paris campbell who's And I mentioned that to him, and I said that you can use parrots in that Debo role. You know, you've got to keep them healthy and get them out there. But to me, that's what you get with rugs. And I said it's a three-man race to be the first receiver.

I think everybody's kind of made it a Judy versus Lamb. I think when you, especially teams with defensive head coaches, they feel that speed, you know. And I see the Chiefs a couple times a year and watch them in person. And you obviously see it on TV, but man, when you're in the stadium with Tyree Kill, like you, it's just like, whoa. Like, you feel it. His speed won them in the Super Bowl. That third and 15 play. It's an unbelievable play by Mahomes, but, gosh, he's opened by 15 yards

because he puts the fear of God and the safety and wheels him around. So that's why I think Ruggs is very much in this thing to be the first receiver. Like where do you think the three of them go ultimately? I think all three of them end up going in the top 15. I would feel pretty good about that. Now, the only thing you'd say is the teams that need – that have a needed tackle and receiver, they'd be smart to go get the tackle now because I think there's a handful of really good tackles and then after that it starts to drop off whereas receiver second third round you're still

going to get quality players you worked in front offices obviously that did you see the thing with judy today with him having the star of david net was weird yeah is that in a and he said it was because the pronunciation of his last name is that something that would raise alarm bells ahead of the pre-draft process or here at the combine i mean i i i just saw it it was just it was just odd you know like i don't know how else to say it but i mean i I don't, everything I've heard about the kid at school, you know, he's a good kid, and it's just kind of an interesting decision. I leave it at that.

But he's, you know, he's character-wise. He's supposed to be really solid, really strong there. Let's dive deeper into the Star of David necklace topic. Yeah, let's go deep dive there. No, it was just, it's bizarre. I just put it that way. I've never, it caught me off guard. I mean, but is that like, is that a question during the combine 17 minutes or whatever?

Yeah, but what's the deal, though? I think there's, there's no malice or anything. It's just kind of an innocent, interesting, odd choice. Yeah, we all make odd fashion choices. We've got Mark Sessler over here. My son has those shoes, too, Sessler. Nice. That was uncalled for.

He's a very fashionable 16-year-old boy. I want to ask you something because I think you've noticed. I've hit you up a few times because I've been doing a little bit. I've been doing a little bit of tape study on some of these college players myself. Put a few tweets out there. You know, one thing that I suffer from, even when I watch, you know, game pass, And the room is it's a darkened room, a hushed room. Maybe you're watching all 22, as I like to do a lot.

And suddenly you start to maybe doze off a little bit. Would you admit to ever watching some of these distant, like Iowa Tech versus Mississippi, ladies, you or whatever, and they're playing each other. And you're in like quarter three and just thinking, I'm struggling to stay awake during this. Or is it all gripping to you all the time? I will go. Usually it gets to some linemen, especially when you get to down the line linemen. and I like to do them by position.

So when I'm watching these guys, like, literally you'll spend three days watching offensive linemen. So at some point in time, you know, obviously you do the better players early on that you know about so you can go a stretch where you're just seeing crappy player after crappy player after crappy player. So I will go second screen and I will go like on a YouTube rabbit hole of, you know, stuff. So I'm just got this going on and kind of like keep an eye over here. You can kind of binge wash a show like why you've got your lower level off.

You've always got like Jodicy in the background. You like that? mid-80s, late, early 90s. This year, what's got me is... That's so, Raven? Yeah, there's nothing wrong. Raven Simone, I don't know why you would... Excuse me?

Say that as some kind of a cutdown. There's nothing wrong with that show. Wizards of Waverly Place, maybe. But to me, when you... When I'm watching tape, it's normally, I've got the 90s R&B is on Pandora is kind of my go-to. But this year, a lot of people, we bought the...

Do you guys have a Roomba? Yeah. So I never know... Up across people have them, yes. I never know my wife's going to launch that thing. It's like a spacecraft that takes off from its home dock and goes and vacuums your whole house. So a lot of times I'm doing a video of a player and that Rumba's going on. And so a lot of people on Twitter think I'm vacuuming while I'm watching tape.

I'm not going to tell them I'm not. Technically the house, the carpet's getting vacuumed and I'm watching tape. So I'm not going to dispute that. What's like a position group we're all hearing, this is a great wide receiver year. What is the position group that if a team is needy in a certain position, that they're in a little bit of trouble in this draft that there's not a lot of blue chip talent. Well, I don't think there's a first-round interior offensive lineman. You know, I have wharfs from Iowa who played tackle.

I think he can be an all-pro guard. But, you know, a lot of teams will have him listed as a tackle. So I don't have a, you know, top 32 player that's an interior lineman. So that's a little bit thin. Tight-in, I don't have a tight-in that's worth a first-round pick, which is, you know, unusual. So those, I think there's decent depth. You get good players, but there's no, you know, premier, premier guys. So those would be a couple positions, I'd say, a little bit thin.

Give us a quarterback, not to or Joe Burrow that you like more than other people and why. And then maybe someone you don't like that much, or that you don't think it's going to, that maybe gets overdrafted a little because they're quarterbacks. I actually like a day three pick. So we're talking now maybe in like the fifth round. It's a kid named James Morgan out of Florida International. He went down to the East West game, was the best quarterback down there, which is kind of that second tier all-star game. but he's 6-4, he's like 225, he's got a strong arm. He was playing through a knee, so he wasn't totally healthy.

But to me, like, you're trying to find guys with some traits on day three that have a chance to be a starter. He's one of those guys. And then I'm fascinated with Jalen Hertz to see when he goes. You know, having spent time at Alabama, been at Oklahoma, guys won a lot of football games. He can really move around and make plays. He just doesn't really throw with a lot of anticipation. You know, there's some vision things as much as I love Joe Burrough's vision. Like, that's an issue with Hertz.

the way the game's played right now where you get a guy that can create some plays with his legs he's got a strong arm he can make every throw i could see somebody saying you know we kind of build a little bit around him i was i was talking to a team uh that's set at the quarterback position but they were looking at him in that tasem hill type of a role um there's that's the interesting thing like the copycat players this year if you're trying to say like who we're trying to find um some people trying to find tasem hill a lot of people trying to focus on that type of a role and you've got teams trying to find their debo samuel some of they can line up in the backfield or or be in the slot.

And then you look on the defensive side of the ball. You know, obviously, Dernwin-Jad isn't going to come around very often, but finding those safeties that you could play at linebacker, you know, can do different things. And just to use McVeigh, who I don't know if I told you, I was sitting next to him at first class. Good combo you too.

Great conversation. One of the things he talked about was, you know, when they match you personnel-wise, like the Ravens are a great example, or you can't be right. Because with all those tight ends out there, you go big to match them, they're going to split everybody out,

and they're going to let those tight ends run by you. You go small to cover them. They're going to bring them in. They're going to run the ball down your throat. So trying to find those guys that can do those different things is what everybody's trying to do. Are we at the time of year because you're saying you know a team out there trying to find Taysom Hill 2.0 where you're just sitting on loads of explosive information where you want to like shout into the hole of a tree? Because how do you like hold on to all these secrets?

Do you tell your wife everything that you know or does someone know? I'm sure she was here. I told the, and this wasn't even a secret because it's not steep in fact. But I was literally at the doctor having, if anybody had an endoscopy here? Anybody where they stick the camera? Oh, obviously. Geez, hello. Yeah, you know, you know that deal.

So you come into the. This is Chris Wesleying, by the way, Dan. Old Mr. Endoscopy. That's what we call him. That's really bad at my part. No worries. No, but so.

Hey, no, he hasn't been through anything, DJ, real sensitive. I've had, I mean, look, cancer is one thing. Acid reflux. Come talk to me when you've been there. So to me. it came with it as well as it was a part of the back bonus it was a bonus hey there is something digging out of it because dj sent me as many messages as anybody when i was oh no he's the best uh but so i'm in i did you did you have this where you so i don't remember the conversation with the doctor after the thing

so you're knocked out so i get in the car obviously remember that we get home and i tell my wife i go kind of weird the doctor never came in the recovery room so yeah he did i go he did and you talked to him You talked to him for 10 minutes. And I go, what did he say? He's like, he told you what you needed to do? I said, what did I say to him? He goes, you just looked at him and said, the charges are taking Tua. I go, what?

She goes, yeah, you did. So if that happens, that doctor's going to be sitting home with life. I've known that for months. That's awesome. Let's say goodbye to Mr. Jeremiah. But before we do, checking in on his, an NFL, I guess it was a Reddit type thing, ask me anything conversation. someone asked to rank the members of the Around the NFL podcast.

This was your response. I've heard Colleen Wolf is on there a lot, so she's number one. Erica is technically eligible, so she's number two. After that, Wessling, Sessler, and the rest would be listed in others. That checks out. Don't hate it. Don't hate it. Find the lie.

I mean, if I was Erica or you guys, I would almost be insulted because he's playing this whole game where we know what game he's playing. You know what I mean? I don't know. Why don't the two of you just accept what he's come up with here? It's sort of this like, you know, reverse psychology thing. So it lets you actually know who he's threatened by who he, you know, respects. Who he considers that and challenger. I love these peaks into Greg's mind.

That is absolute white noise. It's very interesting. What about the other one? Because I got two ATN questions in the hour Reddit. They have two ATN questions. Did you see the other one? No, I missed it actually. The other one was, where would you rank Dan Hansis in an NFL media draft?

Where would you take him in an NFL media draft? And I said, I would take him in the first round. And they said, really? I said, yes, because nothing would bring me more joy than to trade him to some network in Canada. The other shoe drops. Daniel Jeremiah, you know where to find him. He's at Move the Sticks. He has a podcast, I believe that runs during the spring.

Maybe beyond that? Spiratically? Spiratic? I don't know. I love it. Check out and he'll be on NFL network. No, no, literally every day. Forget this.

Forget that, all that stuff. So the best thing about that whole Reddit, yeah, underneath those questions, if you look on it, some people, some people wrote like, hey, when did this whole rift start? And like, literally people underneath are like, no, no, no, they're friends. Like, it's all, they're just having fun. And someone's like, are you sure? Like, I'm like, oh, we're playing this thing.

Wow. This is nice. You'll never know for sure. Daniel Jeremiah, thank you very much. guys i appreciate you having me and there he goes the wholesome assassin daniel jeremiah good chat with danny i mean this i don't know if we've ever had uh such a likable group of guests in one program and let's roll into the most likable of them all she is the queen you know of nfl media a lot of people are saying that now is that right yeah i haven't heard it yes she is of course you know the voice

Colleen, Wolf, Connie, what's up? Welcome back to the show. Hello, hello, hello. Connie has so much free time right now. She's just wandering around Indianapolis. Yeah. She's like the queen of NFL media, but like the drunk cousin of the combine. Like I'm just lost.

People are asking me if I know where I am, if I know what city I'm in right now. Yeah, great. You know, Greg's a bit of a sneakerhead. Colleen's got the best shoes in this suite right now. Oh, thank you. Tell me more. It's a nice job. Jordans.

Yeah, Jordan 3 is Wolf Gray. The entire Wolf John Gonzalez family, much bigger sneakerhead. I would not claim that title. I mean, Greg, no one has seen these shoes before. This is the fourth pair of shoes that you presented to us this week. I do like those. You're in the running. You're in the running.

Wolf Gray on top of it. Yeah. Well done. Double Wolf. All right. Connie is here. You know why she's here. She is at the center of one of the great promotions in the history of podcast.

Build a theme song for Connie for this show. It will be the song that she, every time she appears on the show going forward, will, what's the word I'm looking for? Will blank her arrival. Will announce? Announce her arrival. That's a good one. It's like walk-up music. It was a P word I was looking for.

Present? No. I don't know. We'll never know. It's over. It's gone. I missed the opportunity. Madlib's gone to ride.

Yes, exactly. Connie, here you are. And so far, we're going to listen to. One more set of entries. We have closed, of course. We have closed off any more entries. Again, do not send any in. Yeah, I kind of feel bad.

I didn't tweet about it at all to promote it. I also haven't tweeted really anything at all. So you follow me at Colleen Wolfe. We've got enough. We've got enough. We've got enough. We're going to listen to one more batch of songs, and then we'll work it out with your schedule when we get back to L.A.

I'm very busy. And we will, I'm sure you are. We will then finally make the selection, the song, maybe next week, maybe the week after we'll figure it out. But today, Erica, went through our Gmail, the ATN podcast at Gmail for the last batch of contenders. Do we want to get into it? I can't wait. Yes. All right.

Let's get it going. Ricky Hollywood. Hollywood, going to hit you with him. Hollywood. You know to hit you with him. Tony Fox for D&F. Billy Queen. Coming to me around the NFL machine

With her boy guns her oceans and unstoppable force Screaming for the Eagles till her voice turns horse The history is rich but her story is fanged We're hit with tiny boxes She's ahead of the game Hmm A bit of an industrial nine-inch nails Like 3-11

Sort of, no, maybe not Yeah, in terms of like the The rhyming I like the Philly Queen line That was great. Not bad. I mean, these are all so good. Yeah, not something you want to, like, hear a million times.

Well, that comment right there. It's like there is someone out there in, like, Central Tennessee that spent, like, 25 hours putting that together. I mean, their whole heart and soul has been put into it. And Greg, just with one, like, five-letter sent, five-words sentence, just destroys the person. I mean, it's fine. I mean, they're going to be wondering why they didn't make the finals and what they can do to improve. More cutting analysis. Hey, Simon Cowell is the engine that makes the show go.

Greg's got to play that rule. All right. I like the lyrics. Somebody's got to be the bad guy. And I thought it was a very nice entry. Don't know if it makes the finals, but thank you to whoever sent that in. Up next, Ricky.

She can tell us about all the teams which has a history that is very rich. I love this. Some guy called Gonzo, who is he? Well, how should. But I know she's got about a thousand shows on TV Most in L.A. At least one in Miami, Connie Prunks.

She grew up on the Philly Docks. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Okay. That was like a little Billy Jolie. I liked it. And it also was, here's the only thing that's going to work against this gentleman. Oh, no, you can't say anything critical.

Oh, go ahead, Greg. Kill him. Go ahead. One thing that has surprised me is the level of production in a lot of these songs and how much work has gone into making them sound like songs you would almost hear on the radio or from a commercial or a radio jingle. And I really love the song structure and the melody and the songwriting, but it did have more of a demo feel to it. And what we're looking for is a finished product. Like I would almost say like does that guy. would he be a guy that I would

say, hey, do you want to take another crack at it and maybe put some bells and whistles on it and really produce it? Because I loved the melody, I have to say. It was simple. I wonder if he played the piano himself to do it. Like I... I bet he did. The way I mark a good song

is, does it make me bob my head? Am I going with the beat here? And that's what I did with this song. It was a little jaunty which I liked. I like a jaunty tune. And so I was a fan of it. I thought it sounded good. He could make a cleaner one.

It also is a little different than the ones that have made are finals. I thought it was delightful. It stands out. Yeah, I would say if he submitted a second one with it, it was a little bit, oh, and we're on these headsets, a little bit raw sound-wise, but wanted to take another shot at that. I loved it. It sounded like a demo, but a very promising demo.

And will that be enough to get that person into the finals? I think so. We'll find out. I think so. Erica, number three. Very musical That was very produced Very produced

That was very like NERD Like Neptune's early Like 2000 You know I was here in a little Mid to Late period Justin Timberlake there Did you pick up on that Ricky Same produce

She's shaking her head Or nodding her head I like that That was a fun one It was a little different It was very different The second one The second one I just thought was

It was kind of bad But it was good. Like, I liked it because it was raw. I feel like Colleen's voice in this should count, like, triple compared to any of us. Absolutely. I do like to hear the lyrics. I think that's a fun part of it, but I couldn't hear it as well there. It was hard to decipher.

I like the beat, but you couldn't decipher the words as much. It was like a cool and edgier version, though, which I liked. I like that. I'm not cool or edgy, though. We've had. So problematic. You're not. But that is not the measure of you as a woman.

Don't worry about that. Thank you, Dan. Tell me how I should measure. myself as a woman I have been really impressed We didn't answer her question I'm thinking about it She kind of got me

I've been really impressed with the varied genres Yeah that was produced beautifully Okay how many Do we have another one? Got a couple more Okay go ahead

Colleen wolf is coming We drive the pack Gonna teach us a lesson history is rich Colleen off his comments She's barely best Here one moment And guns are the next kind of box

That's a tiny box That's fantastic Wes, a little bit of a jazzy element there That was like a dinner jazz And it had a little bit of a Nina Simone feel Yes. A little bit, yeah. I felt like I was in a, like, underground, like, jazz lounge.

I had to go downstairs. It was red. Like, Nikki Blaine's right here in Indianapolis. Yes, exactly. I feel like I've inappropriately hushed Greg, who I, something is bubbly. Well, in this one, yeah. Let's come down with Nina Simone here. Oh, it's, there's the one.

This is like, late, you know, I don't, yeah. This is like what happened to Nina Simone, Nina Simone. That's fair. The jazzy element, though, It speaks to my washed-up socialite-type routine, and I like that. We have to get Greg in like a skin-tight white t-shirt where you can see his nipples like Simon Cowell. We've got to get, he's got to go full cowl. I vote no.

You know, I have been thinking about getting like years and years of plastic surgery so that I look like a half-monster, half-man. Greg Rosethal mask. Really keep people off balance. All right. That was a. Interesting one. Connie Fox. Tiny Fox.

Whoa. Gonsu's boss. And the film that works best lady. All to dance. Go ahead and tell all your friends. The history is very rich. You're looking it up in Miami. All to dance.

All to dance. And until all your friends, Connie Foxx. First eight seconds were maybe some of my favorite stuff. Yeah, that is. Was that on the last arcade fire? No, that was very Benfold. Benfold's Rockin' the Suburbs era.

That was great. It started and it felt like something we would be playing at like a Wesselmania. And then it took a little bit of a turn. There were some lyrics that seemed to, yeah, didn't keep you with the song calling. It felt a little unfinished lyric. A little noisy

But we all got really excited When the first Yeah the first seven or eight seconds We're great I think it was fun It made me feel something Yeah Okay one more

All right Well let's We're gonna go song by song At this point You know Let's see where we're at Next up More bent folds

Connie's here She's gonna piece it all together for us finally someone we can trust Connie's here why are all these animals smiling

what could they be hiding Connie Fox will solve the puzzle Oh I love it Oh sorry Connie is a very Mark how long did it take you to write that? I wanted to say to you Last night when we were out at this

like she-she steak bar thing I, at one point, talked to Connie, and she was just like, I don't do small talk, and you were legit kind of panicking. And, like, I think that song kind of captured that great non-egotistical essence of Connie, where it's like awkwardness rules sometimes, and that song hit it. I loved that. Yeah, that was a finalist. And he knows I love a puzzle. Mark, you hit it so well. That was so well put because Colleen's personality was captured within those 30 seconds.

The horn coming in was a big surprise. I mean, that was a band. It sort of had like an 80 TV theme show vibe. And one thing I understood was that this is an intro to Colleen coming on the show, which I do think is a plus. It's something that I could listen to a lot. Some of them aren't necessary like here she comes. That one did.

I think we're sending that one straight to the finals. Yeah, for sure. Congratulations to whoever. That is, let's listen to one more. One more. Here we go. Who let the wolf outside its box. Don't look now, boys.

It's Connie. Oh, she's just the face of the network. Got my boy eyes in looking for work. Billing her in L.A. taking all the cake. She wants all the fame, but let's get her paid, y'all. This girl's fly. She ain't no Bronco and eagle at heart, just like my boy, Gonzo. A gonzo.

Yo, he's going to be gone, bro. He's going in the tiny box. Wait, what? He's for Fletcher Cox. It's Cockx. Did he just put a hit on my husband? What just happened? He's God, bro, and then what happened with Fletcher?

I think we need to listen to that again. I love our listeners. It's so awesome. Crazy, every one of them. Yeah, there's a few reasons why that probably can't be the one we listen. Don't look now, boys. It's Connie Fox. Oh, she's just the face of the network.

Got my boy eyes in looking for work. That's a problem. That's a problem. That's a problem. She wants all the fame, but let's get her paid, y'all. This girl's flies. She ain't no Bronco and Eagle at heart. Just like my boy gone.

He's going to be gone, bro. He's going to be a tiny box ever here's for Fletcher Cox. It's Cod Fox. What was that Fletcher Cox? He said Gonso's going to be gone, bro. Then when with the West he gone, if she ever gets with Fletcher Cox because she's going to be Cox, Fox. What?

That's amazing. The Greg breakdown. He did, call me Fox Cox. That would be your name. That, it had a lot going in 30 seconds. So much great stuff in there. Really packed a lot in there. If Mark wrote the piano one, I think that would have been mine.

That was, that was great. He had, like, three unnecessary shots ended with, like, a joke sort of. It was great. Here go. Wow. Suddenly Gonzo was gone. What happened to John? John is in trouble in this song.

In this scenario. Cox came in, and that was it, huh? Gonzo was out. well that makes you a little uncomfortable obviously you're John's love of your life there's a few things there's a few like the eyes and thing yeah but I was I think that was very entertaining for this show it was great that we got it in there yeah yes and who knows like I said just just because song doesn't win doesn't mean it will not show up again down the line because what people would I have not made clear in the rules is that we now have complete ownership of all these songs so we reserve the right to play them in perpetuity if we so desire to We've solved our music issue. Thank you for doing the work for us. All right. So that is the everything you heard.

We kind of decided that will be the group that we'll choose from. And then maybe we would have been to narrow it down to five finalists. Yeah. That seems fair. Feels good. And then Colleen will figure out a date next Friday. How about next Friday? You're around?

I think so. All right. Well, we'll figure that off the line. We have figured out of prize, which we're not going to reveal. Let's reveal that on that. show because it's a great idea that you had and I think it could be a home run logistically a little tricky but a

home run if we could pull it on. We've got to figure some things out. All right. That's it. This is our last well no we have one more show coming up this week. It is oh yeah the free agency 101 countdown list with Greg and Wes

and a little tease. There will be maybe a second 101 list to keep your eyes on. So 202. To keep you real. How about that? So that is coming up tomorrow, the annual Greg and West Free Agency 101 episode that will be completely about that fine list by the gentleman, which is actually up right now at NFL.com slash. NFL.com slash top 101 free agents.

Yes. That's a mouthful. All right. Colleen, thank you for joining us. Thank you. Thank you for bringing all this music into my life. You did a 20-minute walk for this. I did.

Let's be honest, I needed to. You got your exercise in. I needed to get out of my hotel room. That's good. And we will have one more night here in Indianapolis, and then we'll be back in L.A. And we'll have a lot of fun. How long are you here, Colleen?

I'm here until Monday. You're on NFL. You're excited. I am. I'm just gearing up, you know? It's a big week ahead. I hope you like gray weather. Yep, I do.

As it turns out. All right. Thank you, Connie. Who let the wolf outside? It's Fox. Stan Hans is signing off. Four. Quiet storm, the male man of the old boss in Rickie Hollywood, behind the glass.

Bill Thursday. She wants all the fame, but let's get her paid, y'all. This girl's fly. She ain't no Bronco and eagle at heart, just like my boy, Gonzo. But Gonzo, yo, he's going to be gone, bro. He's going to. Here's for Fletcher Cox. It's Cock Fox.

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