NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Combine Rumors We Aren't Buying, Franchise Tag Frenzy

Episode Date: March 4, 2019

A room filled with heroes – Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler are back in L.A. from their trip to Indianapolis. The guys cover the latest Antonio Brown drama (5:30), sources expecting Nick Foles to be a Jaguar (9:45) and plenty of franchise tag talk (12:05). Gregg, Wess and Marc evaluate the Combine rumors they’re not buying (25:27) including Josh Rosen’s draft value and Colt McCoy praise. Plus, the trio of heroes discuss a memorable sporting event each of them has witnessed in one minute (34:50) and Rotoworld’s Josh Norris calls in to break down his thoughts on the 2019 NFL Scouting Combine (41:25).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's just not the same, is it? It's different. What's up, Greg? I thought about, like, should I just go off the top of a totally different start? You know, just, like, blow up the entire machine after six straight years since Dan Hanses is not here today. But, you know, it's like only one episode that's... You quelled the anarchist in you. Yeah, that's usually what I want to do is just blow things up.

But Dan's busy. Dan has his family in town, and as the intro said, we're pumping out a lot of content. We got three shows this week, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. We got the Twitter show on Wednesday. Next week, we've got an insane amount of video shows. So, you know, Dan's got to get ready for that. And the rest of us were forging on here. I'm not ever, it's not clear to me what aspects of Dan's family is coming.

Is it his parents, which I believe it to be, or is it Dan's hidden secret? family that he occasionally references if you get a few drinks in him. It's not the in-laws. I don't know. I'm just saying there's multiple ways you could go with a day on family vacation. Yeah, that's true. And he'll never listen to this. I haven't even spoken to you guys since Indianapolis.

I guess Mark and I text. I mean, Mark's burning the midnight oil. He was in the office on Sunday. How about that? There was a scheduling tick, in my own mind, having forgotten something that was due tomorrow that is a megaton-long-esque assignment. Okay. I'm just, I'm impressed.

I mean, you're out there. I mean, it's not impressive that I forgot about it. No. And what have you been up to with? Did some work around the house, fixed up my office. Lakeisha helped me, of course, and then had a rib-cated issue, so I went and got that checked out yesterday. Oh, no. Yeah, it's a little cartilage issue in my ribs of making sleeping and living difficult.

Yikes. You don't want to spend a Sunday urgent care. No. Is that from stretching or exercise, I'd imagine? Yes, is exactly what it is. I'm way too much exercise. I'm sure you were just locked in, though, to watching our friend Daniel Jeremiah move the sticks

and the NFL scouting combine all weekend. But, you know, in case we missed anything at all, later in this show, we have our other friend, Rota World's Josh Norris. That's good because I did not watch a single single single show. Oh. The NFL Combine show. You know what it does have,

and especially with DJ in there with Rich, is like if I don't like watching golf at all it is not something that I do but occasionally like on a Sunday if it's in the background and it's a hushed golf broadcast the combine has that same sort of hushed feel to it where it's very relaxing it's great to have on in the background my kids kind of like watching it and they pretend to do the drills and you just like hope sort of that by osmosis some of this information coming at you seeps in so I had it on plus you know I noticed when like Mike Mayock was in the booth what that vibe was kind of of like I could I felt a little bit of like a drew blood so 2001 vibe like he was looking at DJ and being like oh I'm not getting this job back in oh there's definitely dissension there it's an event that many of my casual football fan friends love to watch it's not an event that I ever need to see a second of on television for me personally well that's why we have Josh and he's going to head a segment that tells us it's combined takeaways we don't have a strong grasp on but Josh Norris does so he can help us

we also have uh you know uh an interlude what we're going to call it a new thing we're trying out where we're each going to talk about one sporting event that we've been to in person for exactly one minute uh with the backing music of our choice behind it i like it i mean i feel like this could be this could be a segment here doesn't have to be a memorable sporting event it could be anything you just like you ever have like one of those long meals where it's like they i mean this is like a fancy fancy boy thing but a long meal where like in the middle of it they almost like drop a little pallet cleanser in the middle to just kind of like refresh you and get you ready on for the rest of it that's what that's what this segment is yeah the role of this

segment all right that's the role of the same uh let's not waste any more time uh ken brown sitting in for erika tamposi today she's under the weather Kent let's do a little news there we go that's a good ball Steve go he's trying to tell us guys we over here trying to make millions of dollars he over there BS him That was Steve Smith ragging on some poor Quarterback Tyree Jackson, the Buffalo quarterback He said he was throwing

like bullets to the receivers When he should just be leading them in those drills He wasn't happy about it He actually confronted him He went there during the broadcast And talked to Tyree Jackson while he was throwing That's amazing I mean that's why he loves Steve Smith

whether now or before, like, he's going to say what he thinks. They talked about him being put into the booth once DJs yanked out as a general manager, Steve Smith, and he just said, no, I don't want to do that ever. He would, like, burn every bridge within a year or two, but it would be fantastic to watch. Let's start our news with Antonio Brown, where it seems like we're starting the news quite a bit these days. Ian Rappaport, our NFL Network Insider, reported Monday that the Cardinals, Raiders, and Broncos were the teams that were most intrigued by Antonio Brown and the Steelers have a level of confidence

that they will be able to trade Brown before March 17th when a $2.5 million roster bonus is in. Mark, are you buying it? Well, I am because I think it's always would have been the more unlikely scenario that the Steelers just can't find a way to trade maybe a bit of a headache,

but one of the most talented receivers of our last. lifetime. Someone somewhere is going to think we can take whatever baggage comes with Antonio Brown and make a trade work. I think it just depends. You know, the Raiders to me have a lot of ammunition with those second two first rounders after their number four pick. When I look at this situation, it seems to make sense trade-wise only for a desperate general manager trying to straddle the line between building and contending. I don't think you want them on a builder, a rebuilder, where his mind is up, he wants to play for a Super Bowl. And I don't think you want somebody with a comfortable GM

who already thinks he has a Super Bowl contender because then why upset the locker room or upset what you're doing by bringing in Tony Brown? That's awesome. Right, but you don't know what you're getting. You're getting a guy who is flying off the handle for two months straight is not willing to look in the eye and say, I made a mistake. He's not willing to do any of that.

When Randy Moss went to New England, that brilliance happened because he had been, hummed he had been humbled by the oakling years without the oakling years that would have never happened and tony o'brown is trying to do this without the oakling years what about the did though any of those three fit into your i think the broncos do yeah john elway is a desperate general manager trying to straddle that line between building and contending you do get the feeling john john elway yeah they're they're going for a championship blah blah blah it's like but something tells me he would just be happy with like a nine any a nine or ten win season where the broncos get back in the playoffs and lose a game like you

That's why you trade for Joe Flacco. I mean, Joe Flacco is not a guy that you're getting to win a Super Bowl. There was quickly a report in Denver that tried to shoot this down. So I don't really know what to believe about these Antonio Brown reports. Mark, you mentioned the Titans have been thrown in the mix. Two, the Cardinals and Raiders, though, like, that smells fun. The Raiders have three, you know, first round picks, and they're going to have some quarterback.

They're going to either have Derek Carr or maybe a top shelf young quarter, back or who knows who they'll have like that is a move of like we're sick of losing we want to get back into it right away i mean peter king through the redskins in there as well think about this though if you do have in arizona suddenly Antonio brown and david johnson and potentially kiler murray if it's not josh rozen or josh rosen and cliff kingsbury that to me is spicy i don't hate that i'm not sure i'm not sure can their offense do anything without an offensive line though. No, but I mean, here's the thing. Like, like, he's not going, I don't think they want to trade him inside the AFC North. That's pretty clear. They don't want to trade him to New England. So how many of teams fit the call sheet for him? Right. Who really fits? And for the offensive line, like, I'm convinced offensive line is more of a function of the coaching staff and then the quarterback than anything in today's NFL. Because you could pick 20 teams and the Cardinals are among the worst. But you pick 20 teams where the offensive line is a problem. I guess they're hoping that whatever Kingsbury is cooking up schematically

is somehow going to cover up whatever their offensive line issues are. And that's a GM too. He's the one making the call that's worried, got to be worried about his job. So maybe Antonio Brown is a get, get quick, get right, right away type of guy. Well, speaking of the Cardinals, Larry Fitzgerald, who spent several years catching passes from the likes of John Skelton, Max Hall, Richard Bartell, John Navarre, and Kevin Cobb. Yikes. said AB doesn't realize how good he's had it with Big Ben.

Right. Well, he's right. Yes, I agree. That part of it is absolutely correct. So we've talked a lot about Antonio Brown this offseason. We've talked a lot about Nick Foles this offseason. And I wanted to throw this into the news that Lesboe into the Philadelphia Inquirer was one of many over the weekend that said the Jaguars are expected to sign Nick Foles. He said it the strongest.

Rapaport, rap sheet mentioned it. Mike Garifolo mentioned it. somehow everyone who is in Indianapolis and talking to people came away saying this combination falls in the Jaguars that everyone thinks is going to happen. Yeah, it is going to happen. Nothing's getting in the way. I'm not sure we needed a report to tell us what we already expected to happen. And the report says exactly what we said on his podcast.

The Jaguars are expected to sign him. But it's just inching you closer and closer. It's like they talk to someone. I think it's different because it's sourced. That they're saying a source and you can connect. the dots with Foles because it's coming from the Philadelphia papers that like okay everyone's been speculating about this but actually there was some pushback in Jacksonville there wasn't any really hard reporting west and this now everyone's just kind of joining in this is not hard reporting expected to sign is not hard reporting he said he's expected to sign

which is what we've been saying on this podcast well we would say we sourced it too I'm the source I'm the source I expect him to sign well I'm going to put it and say Nick Foles and his people are expecting to sign there That's a little different. Rap Sheet said he would not rule out the dolphins, and there are significant interest in fools around the league. I mean, that's because, number one, until it's final, why not? Allow someone else to come in with a whole different deal. The immediate loser, and not for me,

because I'm not one of these, like, NFCE's people, but the television, the schedule makers, the primetime matchups that would have had potentially, like, a New York Giants placed, Nick Foles, versus Philly, the games that we've talked about the last couple weeks that would have been front and center on the primetime sleep. I'm not giving up on the Giants or even the Raiders

or someone surprising getting in the mix. The Giants are with Eli. Seems like it. The Giants don't seem like one mind. I want a world that like chaos happens and crazy things happen next week. Next week's the week. This isn't the week.

Well, I mean, the Giants are, they make all their decisions based on what will happen to the future Eli Manning statue are going to build so I don't know what's going to happen. All right, Wes was underwhelmed with that item of news. No, I just don't think it's a hard news. Like, expected is not hard news. Can I interest you in another piece of expected news,

which is that the chiefs are going to tag D. Ford? But here's the unexpected part from Rappaport again, that they will listen to offers for D. Ford, that they are kind of putting him on the trade block. What do we think? So this made me think that with Steve Spagnolo, they're switching to a four or three defense. Well, yeah, they announced that.

That's official. D Ford has been great coming off the edge as an outside. linebacker. And a lot of times that skill set transfers to defensive end in a 4-3, but it's not exactly the same. No. And maybe they don't think that D-4 is going to be quite the terror off the edge if he's playing defensive end. Yeah, I mean, he

had 12 sacks in 2016, but three of his other seasons have two four and two sack totals, and he's only graded positively this past season on PFF, and he had a couple years where he was not even on the radar. He had a really good season two years ago. Yeah, 2016. But I'm wondering if maybe

the idea of a huge long-term financial commitment with a scheme change is put it all together and see what you can get for. I thought he is a perfect candidate for a tag even before they were changing schemes because of what you just said. I mean, he's had basically two years where he looked like a bust.

One year in 2016, where he looked like an all-pro like he did this year for about six or seven games. That was where he filled up that season. Then he got hurt and was playing through it and didn't really... So he has not been consistent at all. And now the fact that they're listening to the offers makes me think there's a good chance he's going to be traded because it makes me think they've decided, well, we'll pay him this year, but he's probably never going to sign long term with us with the scheme change. So we might as well listen to see if we can get a second round pick for him.

And I would think in this market where there's so much money available, some team will give up a decent pick for D. Ford and sign him to a big contract. I think so too. And then you have to, they also talked about moving just in Houston potentially. Well, this was in many ways not a good defense last year. Their past rush was effective. Like, what are we replacing these people with? That's a great point. Because Houston is supposed to get traded or released over the next week.

We think that'll happen. We'll have to wait and see on Ford. But while we're talking tags, let's do a little tag roundup here. On Monday, we got news of three tags. Genevian Clowny, going to be tagged. Donovan Smith of the. the Bucks, their left tackle tagged, and then DeMarcus Lawrence, no surprise, they're not going to get a deal done before the tag deadline, which is Tuesday, and he will be tagged as well.

Any thoughts, gentlemen? Well, the Lawrence and Clowny tags are no-brainers and were expected to happen. Donovan Smith, that name has been bandied about for the last few weeks in Tampa Bay as likely getting the tag. And in this case, I think the franchise tag actually helps the play. player he's going to get paid more than he's worth right he's going to make 15 or 16 million dollars he's one of those guys that pff thinks is terrible and that his own team one of those guys that chrisen watches get right over by speed rushers almost every game i was going to mention he's one of

those rare guy one of those guys that pf seems to hate like he that he's literally one of the worst starters and that the team is always saying oh yeah we love donovan smith great we're going to you know he's terrific but that when you watch the games it seems like james Winston is always under pressure from people who are going up against Donovan Smith. So I don't know what the bucks are seeing, that we're not. Is it just also because if you remove him or he goes somewhere else, you're even that farther up the creek trying to find a left tackle and they're just not out? I get it.

But like last year when I was doing like the cuts list, I was like, I wanted to put Donovan Smith on it because he was going to get that fifth year option. And it seems like he's not, you know, very good at professional football. I think. But I don't know. I do on some level still trust like NFL coaching staffs. It's like they must know something more that he's okay. Yeah, I think that when you look at what their offense has done,

the way they've moved the ball, especially between the 20s, I think a lot of teams put a high value on a guy who is decent enough that he won't sabotage the offense single-handedly. And the general manager essentially is bulletproof in Tampa Bay. Right. I mean, it can't be for much longer. I don't know. But they did just hire a new coach.

I think they, yeah, Jason Light's got to win sooner than later. I was thinking with the DeMarcus Lawrence tag today, that's no surprise. But what a great 12 months he's had. I went back. You know, I do some journal work sometimes. Dan's not the only insider on this podcast. And I wish I could bring it up. I mean, he's the only, like, real insider, like in terms of media.

He's not even a real insight. But voice memos that I have on. my phone saved to Marcus Lawrence from March 13th last year I went back and listened to it because I thought I remembered he said something which I never ended up writing about and he said they I'm fine playing under the tag but I'm going to be more expensive next year than I am this year so they would be served well by signing me to a contract this summer he had no rancor about it he just said I'm going to be more expensive next year than I am right now I promise you that and you know what he is way more expensive now

than he was a year ago, not just because he had a great year, but because they're a tire fire in that front line with Randy Gregory, suspended. David Irving now is suspended. I'm a little disappointed that when you pulled out your phone and showed us your messages, he pointed to DeMarcus Lawrence. I thought for sure we were getting, like, DeMarcus Lawrence called you personally to clear something up.

And instead, it's like you tape something on TV. I mean, it's interesting that you had to have that too. No, no, he was here. He was here in the building, one of those like, hey, you want to go talk to DeMarcus. It's Lawrence for six minutes. Well, he eats like a sandwich, and I'm like, yeah, sure. So you did personally speak to him? Yeah.

Okay. Oh, yeah. So do you ever just play those, like, late at night to yourself when you can't sleep, to Marcus Lawrence interview segments that you've kept on your phone? Not so much like a when I can't sleep, but just like if I really want to treat myself, like kind of light a candle, put some music on, some essential. You're like Emeka, listen to this. Essential oils.

Here's your husband talking to a pro football player. I think Greg sleeps well. I do sleep well I am a little disturbed though when I was looking for that the other day I went back and deleted everything the only things I kept were DeMarcus Lawrence

there was a couple things from this last combine I haven't deleted yet and then an epic performance by Brassy at your house Chris Wesley I was like I can't lose that I don't know what that is but for some reason I decided to record her

I'd publish it I have a series of Brassy videos from several nights at my house Brassy of course is the social coordinator of our entire news operation, I would say. She's recovering from some sort of hangover, I'm sure, right now. I think the Super Bowl then right into Combine for her were, from what I gather, there were a lot of high points, but, you know, potentially you're paying the price.

But I'm going to keep, I'm going to keep those as blackmail. It's going to be okay. Well, that is the relationship that you and she have, so I think that's good. I mean, she, like, I was having dinner at the Combine with a friend. And then Tiffany Blackman, our friend on the network, sat down with us. And then suddenly some tequila shots are just sent over. And it's like, you don't even have to guess who it's from. It's from Shona.

I would have gone with Reggie Bush, but. No, he wasn't there. Either one. He wasn't there. All right, let's move on. Eagles, they're a team that's liking to sign some contracts. A lot of contract and salary cap issues these days. They brought back Brandon Graham on a huge deal, three years, $40 million,

I think 20 plus in the first. couple years, all guaranteed. They also signed guard Isaac Siamalo today. And to a three-year deal, that was a bit of a surprise. And there's a report that Michael Bennett is on the trade block. Mark, you can take it any direction you want. Graham, Siamalo, Bennett. It would be surprising if you went Siamalo, but zero.

I mean, I'm not going Siamalo. I think that the Bennett thing is just the natural reverb to giving $13 million a year to Graham, who's 31. Bennett's 33. Bennett costs another $7 million this year. Is there a team in worse cap hell right now than the Eagles? I believe they have the least amount of cash at the moment. So you've got to make moves.

They have a lot of things. They just have a million things going on. And they're pretty good at being flexible, but you're right. They are about as tight to the cap and having to make tough choices as any team in the league. Brandon Graham takes one of the better pass rushers off the market. But I think for me, what surprises me is, is that over all the coaching changes and scheme changes in Philadelphia for a guy who's never had a double-digit sack season,

he's a great pass rusher, but most of that is coming on pressure, not sacks. I'm just surprised that he's going to end up playing his entire career with the Eagles. Well, you have to be a badass to get that third huge contract. When he signed that first five-year deal, I believe it was with the Eagles at the end of his rookie contract, people are like, oh, really? You think Brandon Graham is that good that you're going to give him a five-year $55 million

he made it to the end that like never happens in the NFL so they evaluated him well and you're right it's kind of a a score for the pressure is almost as valuable as sacks and hits kind of brigade and i think that brigade i'm just saying like that's more valued now they're a very analytics heavy type of organization and i think they think he's a badass and it's a guy that kind of like everson griffin is very similar in my mind in minnesota just the kind of career he's at where it's Nationally, not that well-known, but the team that has him thinks he's a super star. He's also etched into, like, Philadelphia lore

for the strip sack that helped win the Super Bowl. And, you know, I mean, Michael Bennett. Michael Bennett was not. Right, that's fair. That's a good point. And it seems like a great guy, like, very well-known in the community and the locker room and all that sort of stuff. Well, the guy we're going to have on later,

Josh Norris from Roto World, has often said one of his biggest truisms, disruption is production. Whoa. That's a catchphrase. I mean, that's how you step on a lot of people at the Road to World offices has become one of the real big stars. I mean, you think Norris has gotten to where he is

without a little bloodless coup? It's probably like some sort of alleyway showdown with, you know, Evan Silva, which would not be an easy take down. We saw Evan Silva, the Big Fish, by the way, in Indianapolis. Did you know this, Mark? He actually messaged me soon after and said, sorry that you were not there. I did not go out the final night

We saw the big fish at St. Elmo's, the famous steakhouse that every sports writer talks about, and people were blown away. Dan was just like I didn't wasn't really ready for the size and the stature that Silva's bringing to the table. I mean, Silva's like

Jason Peters or something. I mean, you're over Kevin Patrasville, West. You've for a long time knocked that down. Well, this is different. This is like... This is like an NFL left tackle size. Patra, you know, is in fine shape and always has been. I never would have looked at him as sort of like a paragon of male body type. It's always in fine shape.

Let's be real. It's always annoyed you a little bit how much credit Patra got for his body. And even back in the day, you almost were annoyed that he got the credit over. Like he's like, I have that body now. No, no, no. I never thought that I deserved credit for my body. I never thought that at all. Now how are you feeling about it?

Now it's time for some credit. I did not feel like my body. is in great shape i'll put it that way all right we are almost uh to some combine rumors we aren't buying another another little like miniseg we're throwing in here but uh finally jamie collins expected to be cut or traded soon uh how would you uh remember the jamy collins era mark sessler very underwhelming and i thought it was they got him for a relatively low um acceptable draft pick and then i think in one of these sort of confirming your own move turn around and overpaid him but they had a ton of cap space and they almost were us

that place they needed to reach the cap floor and they had no names on their defense and I thought they probably felt like it was the first step towards building that side of the ball and there have been the thing that I kind of remember most are these sort of whispering jabs at him where you can't tell exactly where it's coming from but people aren't happy with the effort they aren't quite happy with the effort on game day or not on game day and I don't feel like he fits into where they're going and they definitely need help at linebacker, but I don't think they're going to re-up with him. That would be surprising to me.

This is one of those I usually at this point would expect a guy to get traded. Like Michael Bennett, he's due $6 million this year. I think they could find someone to at least do a pick swap for that. Why not? He's still pretty good. But Jamie Collins making $10 million. No.

I don't think anyone wants to deal with that. I think he's going to. I mean, it was the Patriots who were listed as a team that were open to eventually trading for him last season. Right. And I think they would probably take Jamie Collins back, but why start at a $22 million two-year contract? I just don't think he has that sort of value at this point.

Finally, an idea Wes had here, combine rumors he's not buying. What is the combine rumor that's grinding your gears? Well, this wasn't really a rumor. Someone asked Kurt Warner what he would give up for Josh Rosen. He said a third-round pick. And then Peter King interviewed another NFL executive who said, Cardinals shouldn't expect to get more than a third round pick for him. And I think this is insane.

I think that's crazy for many reasons, not least of which, is the Cardinals have already paid 65% of what his rookie deal will be for four years. They've already paid most of it with up front money. He's only going to count $2 million against your cap every year for the next three years. And you're telling me the teams like the Giants, Redskins, and Dolphins who need quarterbacks are saying, or even the Patriots who need a successor for Tom Brady are saying, No, I won't go above the 90-something pick in the draft for Josh Rosen. I just don't believe that for a second.

I mean, it depends what the team is. And who's drafting him with everyone knowing he's just going to be a long-term backup? Like, you're drafting him to be a starter. If it's the Redskins, who would make some sense, you can't possibly tell me that you're going to get to Arizona to accept nothing more than the third round pick for that. When he is going to be your plug-and-play low-cost starter. And Peter King, you talked to, I think, two front office guys.

And, okay, those guys don't want to give up a third round pick. That's fine. It only takes one team. You know what I mean? I don't get that at all. It also depends what front offices those ones. You also hear all the time GMs who sign guys in free agency, and I think Dante Fowler is a good case study for this year.

Well, we had him ranked really high coming out of college. You always hear this about first round picks and get to free agency and aren't playing that well. Well, we really loved his college tape, and we loved him. And that's, it's like what, there's not a bunch of teams out there that didn't love Josh Rosen's college tape and wouldn't give it up. I would, I would, uh, I would remain a Patriots fan if, if, uh, they go pick up Josh Rosen. Wait, what does this mean? You're thinking about checking out as soon as Belichick and Brady are gone? Well, you know that. Brady, I'll, wait, I'll stick it out for Belichick, but I think I might retire with Bill.

I mean, how could you top that? It's just like, it's just like, uh, you just live through the best. Why even bother after that? That's because that's not the definition. of a fan is to jump ship the minute things... I won't jump ship. Summer Soldier, you Sunshine Patriot. What are you doing?

You gave up on the Bengals. I did not give up on them. They gave up on me. That's a big difference. I just think mentally it's possible that they just become like one A of all the other teams, but it's just like not the same.

It is crazy where we even were two weeks ago with this Josh Rosen story where it was like largely unbelievable that this would even happen. And now it just seems like, a foregone conclusion that the Cardinals have enough people. I mean, that's changed even since we last talked on Thursday. So since then.

Okay, Kim Jones said the expectation at this point around the league is that the Cardinals will take Kyler Murray. That's what everyone thinks. I also don't believe this either. I don't believe the Cardinals have finished their due deal. That's what made up their mind. And a bunch of people like DJ and all these people are saying, that's what everyone thinks. But no one really knows.

That's just like, that's not really news necessarily. It's just what everyone thinks the Cardinals. And then possibly the Raiders are thinking as well. People, you know, there was a quote that Gruden's not much of a poker player in that it's kind of obvious how much they like Kyler Murray as well. But I think before, you know, he was two weeks ago, he's being mocked to go to the Redskins at 15 or falling out of the top 20 and stuff.

Now it's like, no, this guy, like every single year, a couple quarterbacks are going to go way higher than people thought initially. And Kylo Murray has multiple. NFL coach is super intrigued. Yeah, and I'm with you, Wes, by the way. I don't buy that for a second. Rosen's 21, 22 now. I mean, he came into the league young.

His tape is not nearly as bad as everyone thinks. I promise you, he did more as a rookie than guys like, you know, Gopher Chubisky did in similar situation. I saw enough where I was like, okay, I saw some good things. I'm still on the Josh Rosen train. So a lot of people who went broke trying to guess how good a gambler other people are. I'm not that confident in anybody's

ability to read a gambler. What makes you an expert on reading John Gruden's, not you, but anyone? What makes you an expert in reading John Gruden's gambling and what makes you think that you're good enough to read it? Right. And that he's not just already broken you.

I think literal professional gamblers are probably good at that skill, but I don't think that's who we're talking about here. Right. I think there are a few people on Earth who are really good at that. But you're not a fan of the Combine West, and the Combine essentially is like one massive hot stove league session where whispers and rumors and generated news reports are what this part of the football season is about. I think it makes for a great quote for someone to say, John Gruden's a bad poker player. I just don't have any confidence in that person's ability to read John Gruden's poker player.

I'm with you. I mean, a year ago, we thought the entire Raiders offense was going to run eternally through Amari Cooper. So he has an ability to spin yarns that we fall for. That's a great point. You know who's a great poker player we found out this week? John Gonzalez, Colleen Wolfe's husband, was once almost a professional poker player. I mean, he certainly seems to have the free time.

He was on like the early auspices of kind of like the poker professionalism going around. That's like, can't you just imagine him with his like hat pulled down low at a poker table, like taking people's money? I can. Man of many talents. That was a low point in sports television when like, Every third sports network had like eight Gibroni sitting around a table playing poker for four hours. I hated every minute.

It was a mania and it was exciting time. It was an interesting time. It's like Greg's youth. No, I never was into poker. But when Roto World was started, way back in the day when we were building a brick by brick, this is even pre-wessling. It was like 30 people all in about three rooms. Minimum 24 of them were betting on poker.

to an insane degree. And most of them seem to be making money from it, including the people who, like, owned this company. People were, like, losing their minds, just playing online poker all day, every day, and, like, just stealing money from some, you know, poor schlub in Nebraska who's signing on for this. It was the heyday.

It was a dark time, and I believe... They all seemed to be having fun, though. I liked, like, the spirit of it. I wasn't into... I didn't know how to do poker. I think it's accurate that I would never would have moved to Tybee Island if not for the poker craze that swept the nation, between poker and at the same time when MMA is becoming really big

and all of my softball buddies just wanted to sit around watching MMA and playing poker and I was like, I got to leave this city. Yeah. There is nothing here for me. I mean, there were some, there were some, like, Christmas, Christmases where, you know, there were rumors where the Roto World was having a little trouble paying the payroll. So as far as I'm concerned, poker might have saved us.

Sounds like a toxic environment. You know, it might have been the only way that they were still making money, paying us. and I'll look at it today. Is there any other combine rumors we were buying? That was pretty much mine. Well, the only other one that I thought was absurd just because everyone attached to the Redskins

is fighting for their job right now. And I like Colt McCoy, the person. I named my son Colt after Colt McCoy the day that he was essentially replaced by Brandon Wheed and being drafted in the first round. But the idea that they're talking up Colt McCoy as the starter. To me, that's all that says is if all our other plans don't work, then we have it on paper that we're excited about Colt McCoy.

That cannot honestly be where this team is coming from holistically to fix their quarterback situation. It's just, hey, we said it. If this is what we wind up with, we told you all along, we were excited about this. That, to me, is just not a rumor. It's just like a, it's good housekeeping. Well, I do believe that Jay Gruden thinks more highly of Colt McCoy

than anyone else in the NFL thinks of Colt McCoy. But I also think you cannot, you cannot have followed this guy's career and believe that he's going to stay healthy for more than two or three games. He's coming off a broken leg. He's always coming off of something because he always gets hurt.

I dig him, but he's like he's been in the perfect position as a backup that you hope to use a game a year at most. There's like no doubt to me that he's going to be Jay Gruden's quarterback coach on the 2026. What team is Jay Gros? Not Reds.

Bengals, yes. That would be the Bengals. or the offensive coordinator. He's getting paid Colt McCoy, by the way, $3.6 million. So that kind of, or no, $3.3 million. That shows what they think of him. They think he's a backup. They think he's the best backup in the NFL or one of the best.

That's what it is. And I think that's fair. He's a really good backup. And he fits Jay Grude in and all out, but then, but don't conflate it into he's suddenly our starter. Okay, so that's, you know, the news. And a lot of chunky content there. A lot of, a lot to digest, frankly.

And before we get to some more real nuts and bolts, meat and potato, football, we're just going to have a little bit of a powet cleanser. And something that really doesn't have a name to it, but it's just one minute of talking about a memorable sporting event that we witnessed with the back-in music of our choice. And since this was my idea, I can start it. Kent, you ready? Let's do it.

I haven't heard this yet. Oh, that's nice. All right. I'm going to go 1988. Foxborough Stadium, Sullivan Stadium, they would call it. Doug Flutie, New England Patriots, gets the ball in the red zone late. Just fell down about four points to a rookie Chris Chandler of the Indianapolis Colts. Doug Flutie comes in.

Gosh, who was he replacing? A total bum. He comes in off the bench to replace Gus Ramsey, a total bum. leads them to victory on a bootleg. The moment everyone in Boston was waiting for, Flutie to become the Patriots head coach, and that place celebrated like it was a Super Bowl. And I always remember that game.

It's one of the only Patriots games I've ever been to as a kid. We didn't go often. That seemingly meaningless wins to get to two and three in a lost season can mean so much to fans in the NFL because that game meant so much to me. We ate off that game for about five years. I love that music. That was a good music choice.

That minute snuck up quickly. That's good to know. Yeah, it was good. But, I mean, it's like, thanks Tom. Tom, Rosenthal, not a huge football guy. More baseball, basketball. But we loved, I loved football and brought me to that. And it's like, wait, I'm going over my minute here.

I'm still talking. No, that's all right. Sometimes it has to be unpacked further. All right. Mark, let's go next. All right, so I have seen Michael Jordan play live. I've been to multiple Super Bowl. guys, Super Bowls with you guys, which I mean, honestly, those are the incredible moments.

When I really was thinking about one sporting event that changed my life, when I was in Ithaca College in 1993, I had a humorous, roundish guy that lived next door to me who was like trying to graduate early, but he needed to pass this fencing class. He was in fencing. And so it was a fencing final where we were going to, I was going to go watch him in this tournament. The final was a tournament and you had to come in like top top up to get a good grade otherwise you're in trouble we went out to eat lunch and he got on this long wandering story about this girl he liked on the third floor this untotally unimpressive girl and i was trying to talk him off the ledge but here we go there's only 18 more seconds he went to the he went to the fencing class late and the teacher's like

you're out you get an f you can't be late oh no and he said you know what forget the f i'll take the f but i'm going to do the tournament and he knocked out this girl in the first round blew up some long-haired dude in the second round got to the finals and lost but she basically said you know what I love the effort you get a B-minus so he saved his grade and to me that was one of the things where you could just mope and leave and wander home life lesson I'm doing it I'm fighting this tournament and he destroyed these people I love life lesson this is why I'm glad I left it wide open it didn't have to be the greatest sporty event you ever win it's just something memorable love to you back from the brink nobody on earth could have predicted you were going to go down that avenue

no one no I thought well you you gave me a heads up yesterday So I thought long and hard on a Sunday, Greg, about that. No one's offense in coming. All right, Wes. We're going back. You're out. Same year as you, Greg. 1988, the Reds have a pitching prospect.

Frustrating but talented, 6-5-2-40. He looked like a combination of Ralph Mouth from the Happy Days and Frankenstein. He had red, wavy hair. It was receding. And he was an ugly dude. Pete Rose had nicknamed him the true creature. We just called him the creature as kids. We're at this game because it's the Kid Glove game in Cincinnati,

the one game a year that all the little little. league girls get to go to. This guy is one pitch away from a perfect game. And the ninth inning, two outs, two strikes. Wallace Johnson of the Montreal Expos serves a soft liner in the left field, breaks up the perfect game, and Rock Raines hits a two-run homer net. Ron Robinson, the creature doesn't even get to finish the game. John Franco has to come in for the save. Robinson gets traded two years later, two months before the Reds win their last World Series that they've ever won. So this song is supposed to be some take-up on Shattered Dreams by Johnny H. Jazz. Remember Johnny H. Jazz, the one hit Wonder?

Shattered Dreams in 1988 for the creature. Well, you guys did a much better job than I did. I thought they were all good. That minute is, that thing was quick. What was your kind of musical inspiration, Mark, just because I loved it. Well, I know that our library is a wildcar, but I sort of wanted medieval into, like, Gallants, like a sword fight type thing. I think you did a nice job, Kent.

No, I thought it was really. It was like firing me up. I mean, I blew it. It was Tom Ramsey, by the way. Shattered Dreams. Tom Ramsey was the quarterback who was the replacement for Steve Grogan. I mean, what? You couldn't make Flutie the backup.

He was the third stringer. Give me a break. Yeah, whenever you search like swords or swords fights, it's just a lot of like metallic clanging. And I figured the medieval stuff worked a little bit. No, that was beautiful. Those were some interesting stories. Yeah, I think we can do it again.

I mean, it doesn't need to be a sporting event. It could be one minute on anything. As it happens, in May of 88, while that game was, going on. Shattered Dreams was climbing the U.S. Wow. It was Kismet. All right. Also, Kismet, Josh Norris. He's been watching the Combine for how many days has it been? Probably about 96 hours straight

because that's just like what he does. They have podcasts literally every day during the Combine at Rotter World. He's pumping out content. The Big Fish is now kind of taking it easy during the combine. He's making Josh do all the work. Breaking news. Oh, we got a little. A little breaking news.

Add another franchise tag to the mix, multiple national reporters are reporting that Frank Clark is getting the franchise tag from the Seattle Ceylon. Okay. Well, Pete Carroll over and over and over said he is not leaving the building. Yes. Basically, all those guys on our top 101 list of the top that we thought we're going to get tagged have. Tom Pelliserro and Peter Schreger have confirmed.

expected to use the franchise tag. So Landon Collins, to me, is the only real wildcard right now that we don't know which way it's going to go. At this point, I'd be very surprised if Trey Flowers did get the tag, even though I would support it and think it's a good move. It seems like no one believes that's going to happen. So Landon Collins seems to be kind of the one guy everyone's waiting for. We'll find that out later in the week.

But before waiting any longer, you know, I gave him the big preamble. Let's get to Josh Norris. Hello? Josh what's going on I'm doing great we're on you are on with the around the NFL podcast I think we're just going to jump right into it I don't need to give the flowery preamble any longer I already talked to you up enough how you've stepped over so many people at Rotow World to get to the position that you're in and then now trying to push Evan Silva aside you know I admire the hustle hopefully guys this doesn't turn into something like for my parents call me at 9.30 p.m.

asking me how to work their remote control for their television. I'm excited to talk athletic testing with you. Wow. Well, what does that mean? That they're going to try to listen to this podcast? I don't quite follow. No, no, as in they don't understand, you know, updated modern technology. Oh, and we don't, and you're saying we, as simpletons, don't understand what's going on with the test.

No, you're pretty much right. I mean, the title of this segment is Combine Takeaways, we don't have a strong grasp on, but Josh Norris does. You're with Chris Wessling and Mark. Sessler as well. Hey, Josh. My favorite trio. I was just telling all of our listeners that disruption equals production. Is that a Josh Norris original?

It is. It was from a Jedevian Clowny article back in the day. Back when, you know, he was getting knocked for his sacks. And I'm sure you guys talk about that all the time, how sacks really aren't the end-all-be-all. We're talking about Brandon Graham's new deal, that he's a disruption equals production guy. there we go and back at south car line with clownie like he was the only one getting four yards in the back and the quarterback could just move around and avoid his his line to the quarterback so that's where disruption equals production game wow it's great to get the etymology here there you go from the

creator himself yeah i don't know what you exactly think we're going to talk about here josh because i did ask you you know hey is there any names you want you want to talk about um you know before the show and then you sent me like a four-part breakdown of why the measurements that you use are superior to the ones that are often talked about. And frankly, it went over my head. I just kind of wanted to hear, like, who did well at the combine or not. Like, pretend like you're speaking to, you know, total simpletons. I just want to know, like, oh, is, well, don't pretend. Like, Rashon Gary. Like, what do you think about Rashon Gary? You know, aren't you a little worried? I didn't produce it all after watching.

There's only a handful of times in my life. I'll be able to. to talk to the heroes. So I thought I would try to put my best step forward, my best foot forward, and do my best in this regard. Okay. Well, you're off to a great start. Can I ask about some specific guys? I think the best way to start this conversation is I can kind of take control here, Greg.

Please. As to kind of explain why, in my opinion, the combine matters and like why athletic testing matters. Okay. Because back in before like 2015, I didn't think it mattered at all. But because it's kind of how the combine is broadcast in some ways, where for four days, it's, you know, 40-yard dashes in their position drills, right? So we all kind of equate athleticism to a 40-yard dash when really there's six or seven other tests that can be factored into someone's athletic profile, right? and then combine that with weight because there's a major difference in, you know, a 184-pound receiver running a 4-4-5 versus a 225 pound receiver running a 4-4-5, right?

Right. Kind of gives you a composite score. And that composite score allows you to compare across decades and across players at the same position as well. So who, like, who stuck out to you, who is like towards the top of the draft? For instance, to use your example, actually, D.K. Metcalf, everyone was talking about his performance this weekend. But then I saw, like, a note about how his three-cone drill was actually worse than Tom Brady's three-cone drill. That here is the most athletic, amazing freak you've ever seen. But actually, in this measurement, he was worse than 2000 Tom Brady.

So, like, how do you put that all together? What's your takeaway from all that? yeah and let me first say that at least for me watching games is the most important piece of evaluations but if we can just like add tools to the toolbox here to hopefully improve evaluations and hit on players at multiple days of the draft like that's the only goal here with dk matcalf it's interesting because you mentioned it like his 40 was outstanding his jumps were amazing at 40 and a half

introverts over 11 foot broad jump um at 228 pounds but then like his three cone was in like the fifth percentile and his short shuttle was in like the third percentile. If we can go back and kind of look at players that were somewhat similar in that regard, a Stephen Hill pops out, a Greg Childs pops out. I'm not necessarily going to put Kevin White in that regard, but if you go back and look at Ole Miss, it was a somewhat similar offense that Kevin White ran back at West Virginia, whereas he was locked into one side of the field. Everything was run on that kind of linear plane, straight lines, and then outside breaking routes off of that. And so it's not that type of offense where you see him run all the

routes, do everything across the formation, line up in different areas of the field. And so that would give you pause. But obviously, Mark just threw up in his mouth a little bit. I mean, but he has huge muscles. So can we just sort of wipe all this away and just someone draft him at like 13? Wasn't Childs, the guy who tore both porteller tendons? Yeah. I do. I do. I do. I do. think it is important to note here though that like athletic testing can also um help you determine if what you saw in games is actually something that actually exists okay because i mean i don't know about y'all but my eyes lie to me at points um like going back to jarvis jones for example mine are right all the time we know yeah we know we know we know that jarvis jones led the cc and sacks during

his final year of georgia i mean he was an outstanding player there right former steelers first round pick. There we go. And actually when he went through his athletic testing, Jarvis Jones tested like the worst first round pick of all time, okay, since this has been tracked, like in the bottom 10th percentile, okay? And as we have known and seen, Jarvis Jones didn't have a very long career. So just because the production was there, part of that, and especially if those edge rushers and defensive linemen, like to me, that's where athleticism is most significant, right? Like, it's one of the true one-on-one matchups on the NFL playing field. And so at the very least, in its simplest form,

wouldn't athletic advantage give you a step up on your opponent? And Jarvis Jones wasn't even average in that regard. And average is fine. He was well below average. And in many ways, staying away from non-NFL caliber athletes, it's how we should use athletic testing. Let me ask you the flip side of this. So guys like Montez Sweat,

who just have one of the best combines ever for a defensive end slash edge rusher, and Roshan Gary, who had a very good combine, both are being sort of criticized for not being quite as good on the field or for having game tape. I know Sweat, I believe, was ranked in the 80s by PFF. Where would these guys fall for you? Like, do you have faith in them? Yes. And my bias, again, as I mentioned towards edge rushers, interior defensive linemen with athleticism,

I think maybe the best example in previous years was Danelle Hunter. I think part of it kind of comes down to the type of coaching they get once they reach the NFL. Hunter was an absolute awful pass rusher in college, LSU, who's a great run defender when he goes and is one of the best athletes in his class and drafted in the third round and has become one of the best edge rushers in the league, in my opinion. Do I think that Rishon, Gary, and Montez Sweat have that potential? Sure. A big part of that is obviously the system and situation that they land in.

But with sweat, he's someone that can get up the field in a hurry. I mean, that obviously matches his athletic testing. His first two or three steps are outstanding. And when you face those heavy-footed offensive tackles, it can be fairly easy to run past them. Now, does he have that bend like Von Miller? No. But again, if I'm trying to invest in a first-round edge rusher

or a first-round interior defensive lineman, the goal is good after the quarterback and one-on-one matchup, But yeah, I would absolutely love them to have a superior, and in these cases, the 90th, 94th percentile up at a profile. Is there a – like, can I just shift to quarterbacks for a second? Because I really don't have – I'm not able to do much more at the combine than, like, hopefully see the quarterbacks for a couple seconds. The rest of it is just a white haze, and then I catch up with it later. But when it comes to outside of the Kyler Murray, is there a quarterback that's caught your eye that you feel like is going to – be someone that could surprise everyone, or is that not the case, which is fine also?

Well, as we know, like, if a quarterback gets taken outside of round one, there's really very little hope for them in general. I mean, it's kind of true. Yeah, no, I mean, it's not, you can point to various little. That's absolutely true. Yeah. I mean, it's the exception rather than the rule. That's fair.

But there's exception that proves the rule. There's plenty of decent second and thirds out there. I mean, they're out there. Not really. Like, there have been throughout history. Russell Wilson. I'm counting like Andy Dalton to me is a draft hit. If you got a guy who starts that many games in the second round or Kaepernick for that matter in that one.

Unless you're a Bengals fan, but yeah. You know what I'm saying, though. Like those guys matter, and those aren't, those weren't first round picks. But I hear you, especially in today's NFL, it doesn't seem to happen too often. Right. It kind of puts them. Grappolo. If you want to stay in those situations, right, and like don't want to improve off of them.

Right. Now, with that said, I will go to someone that is not going to be taken in the first round. and I'll go to Easton Stick out of North Dakota State. We all know that that's the system that Carson Wentz came out of and Easton ran the exact same one. So if you go... Great name. Went and yeah, right, should be a hockey player.

Named after a baseball bet. He is, there you go. And if you have watched Wentz back in his college days, you saw everything was under center, a lot of things out of shotgun, off-play action, moving out of structure, inside of structure. Easton Stick could do all of that. Now, he did not have a good East West Shrine week.

But to me, like, Stick is someone, look, if there's, like, a Taylor Heineke out there as a backup quarterback in the league, if, like, Alex Tanny is a backup quarterback in the league, it makes no sense to see that someone like, yeah, right? Easton Stink should easily be a backup quarterback in league. He's a lot of fun to go and watching those YouTube highlight clips if you want. I like it. I'm all over this Easton Stick scenario. I'm going to attract this heavily. That's, like, the name of Mark's next one. Finally, Stanley Morgan, Jr., you know, can he live up to the name?

That was the name of, like, my fantasy football team for years and years was just like Stanley Morgan. So, like, can he live up to that? What are your thoughts? Is this the wide receiver out of Nebraska? That's right. That's right. His dad is, you know, one of the great speedsters in Patriots history. All right, Greg.

I am great at knowing what I don't know, and I'm just going to tell you I know very little. about Stanley Morgan. Didn't make a big impact. Maybe that's some homework that I can have. He didn't make a big impact. He didn't have an 80% out, so you've been a very good athlete on your hands there in Stanley Morgan. There's a player I really want to know about.

I have a buddy who goes by the name Spice Rack, who is a big college football fan and, you know, fancies himself as a bit of a draft expert himself. And during the season, he told me that I am going to fall in love with Lil Jordan Humphrey out of Texas. He said he's just a big playmaker. This dude ran a four-south. at the Combine, please tell me why my friend talked him up so much, and is he an NFL wide receiver?

Yeah, I have no idea. Look, he didn't fall, even with that 475, he didn't fall into that, like, non-NFL caliber athlete territory. But if we're talking about players, you should get excited about it six foot four, you know, over 200 pounds. He's certainly not the top of that list in this group. Like we have a ton of massive wide receivers. there are a lot of fun. Instead of wasting your time and watching Lil John Humphrey or whatever his name is. Well, Lil Jordan, which I think

is a great name. He's not quite Michael Jordan. He's just Lil Jordan. In Spicerax defense, he is standing on the table for Dwayne Haskins. Not that he's the only person in the world that's doing that right now, but it is convinced Haskins is going to be like the next or one of the next great... Well, instead of wasting your time with Mr. Jordan, I would watch some of King Butler out of Iowa State. This is a super fun player.

Like, you look at, you know, big wide receivers, six-foot-five, 220-plus pounds, and, like, naturally, they think, you think that you can do like Alshan Jeffrey type stuff, right? Or at least Jonathan Baldwin. Right. But what Akeem Butler does, he shows you elements of the small game as well. Like, you turn on that Iowa game, and in like a fourth down scenario, he runs a whip route along the sideline and creates instant separation, like getting low in his breaks, creating that space. and that's just not something you see out of receivers out of his size. We're going to have a whole discussion about him and drops, but that's an over-aid discussion as well.

But, yeah, definitely go and watch a king bottle. You'll like what you see. Well, I'm sorry, Josh, for throwing you that Stanley Morgan curveball here. But otherwise, I think you knocked it out of the park. I think if people did happen to just, like, miss the previous four days and 32 hours of coverage we had on NFL network, I think the last 15 minutes probably made it up for you. I mean, I think we covered everything.

They covered it. We have every bit of it. If I can just plug my own podcast here. I already did, Josh. Don't you worry about it. Well, I'll have a full combine recap on there if you want to, you know, if we missed on anything of the last 50 minutes, which, you know, might not have happened. You're grinding six days in a row with podcasts.

No, I don't let anyone here know about that. No, that's why I want you on. Josh does an awesome job with the really kind of cavalcade of stars that you have. running through that show. Josh is smart. He's kind of the main one and then the rest just rotate. So everyone knows who's the most important. So he's the son and they're the plan. Right. And so different guys come on different days and all that. And it is really good Rota World Football Podcast. You know, they started it too late, but they've made up for lost ground. I know you were pushing for it for years before they let you start it. That's the

only reason why I'm saying. Greg, there's no money in podcasting. Right. Except for us. We're just drowning in it yeah drowning in it all right thanks Josh thank you all right see you guys see it so that was

Josh Norris and before we go we do have one last item of breaking news we got three items of breaking news all right

let's let West for heaven six well first of all this better be real the Falcons announced that they are franchise tagging Grady

Grady Jarrett their defensive tackle yep Adam Schepter has been told that C.J. Mosley will not be franchised tagged by the Baltimore Ravens.

And Rapsheet is reporting that Landon Collins is not expected to draw the franchise tag from the Giants. Wow. I, yeah, we forecast that before anyone, the Landon Collins news. Let me change the word. West's got another one. Rap sheets, the wording is the Giants are, quote, viewed as unlikely. Okay.

Well, we got 24 hours. So at this point, he's probably not getting the tag. He's going to get very close to the time. top of our rankings. Grady Jarrett, that's no surprise. He was ranked our, he was our number three player overall. So that is no surprise. I mean, you do this top 100 list, and it's a wonderful thing, but then it's like immediately

burned to a crisp where like the only name value products on the entire thing are held by their own teams. No, I mean, yeah, you know, you know most of them are going to go, but we're going to have Levi-on-Bell. You're right. The top is now going to be Levy on Bell, Earl Thomas, Trey Flowers, Foles, Landon-Collins. We've had much worse years at the top. I'll put it that way.

We had a year where it was like Malik Jackson and then like, you know, Coletchi O'Semoli or something. One could make the point that our timing of the release and updates is suspect that maybe we should wait until after the franchise tags are end before we do this project? No, people want to know,

they want to start thinking, you know, it's all about the page views. You know, they're getting more... Well, I mean, right. You're saying for the user experience. What are you going to make the point that absent the page views? Yeah.

Like the top 10 guys on your list every year are generally the top two guys of the playlist. Well, it's a good discussion to have, and C.J. I'd reboot the entire project and give it to two other people. Mosley's interesting. He's the one that I think they really want to keep them, and it's a rare case. I think they, if I had

to guess, I bet they still will find a way to keep them, even though they're not going to tag them. They just don't want to start the discussions at $15 million a year. Right, and I don't blame him for an inside linebacker. Maybe the Browns will steal them. I don't know why. That just feels like something. They've got some cash.

That just feels like a guy who's just going to, like, come in and improve the culture and make your opponent. I mean, he ended their season with an interception, so. It'll help them out. It all comes back. All right. On Wednesday, we will be back. We have a Twitter show early this week. I believe it's airing early unless we're pre-taping it.

It is airing at 1030 Pacific-130 Eastern time. And then we are taping the podcast after that. We will also be back with a podcast Friday morning. Dan will be back on Wednesday. for Mark Sessler, The Quiet Storm. Chris Wesseling. Mailman, that's it. Kent Brown, Josh Norris, Evan Silva, everyone.

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