NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Curious Case of Cam Newton

Episode Date: May 18, 2020

A bunker filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Gregg Rosenthal and Marc Sessler bring you all of the latest news in the NFL including the latest with Pirates. The heroes take the Cam Newton case to court to decide which teams are being negligent in not bringing him in to the organization. Wait til the end where the first "wheel of teams" wheel is spun!Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and I'm coming to you from a city filled with heroes in bunker. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, Greg Rosethall. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. Oh, happy Monday. I love Mondays. I love Mondays. I mean, I, you know, what I, I'm sensing a little bit in my own life that that special feeling you get on a Monday,

slightly disoriented, not really wanting to awaken or get out of bed. I had that feeling this morning. It kind of was a feeling of normalcy. Hmm. Hmm. Nice rainy day here in L.A., which I like, you know, as a little, a little change of pace. It does feel like, you know, this is, I do not. not feel like I'm losing track of days because of our schedule. And we're writing during the week

two and because of the shows and we got the Friday show, which is kind of, you know, you can exhale after. I feel like we're, we're kind of in the flow here. We're in a, we're in some sort of normalcy, which is not a bad thing. You think so? I mean, I never know where the weekends go. I don't even remember what I did with my weekend. Maybe it's probably because of the kids, too. That schedule's so different on the weekends because they don't have homeschooling. So suddenly I don't really have, you know, we don't have shows, we don't have homeschooling, so it's, it's way more free time. Yeah, I feel like Greg would be satisfied if a nuclear bomb landed in his front yard, but I do not.

I feel slightly disenchanted with all things right now. And I really need. How's that different than a normal may? You know, like that's, that's just how it goes sometimes. I think the reasons are, reasons are a little different. Yes. Lekeesha had a Cessler, Chris, that the baby was coming this weekend, but the fact that you're sitting here with us tells me that didn't happen.

Well, she's moved the goalpost a little bit on that one. She said that that was more of wishful thinking. And now the baby cannot come Tuesday because she does not want him to steal away attention from our wedding anniversary with who's on the 19th. So he's got to come Wednesday or Thursday, but she thinks definitely this week. I think you're going to learn real quick that children don't do everything that you want all the time. And this may be the first strike of rebellion if he showed up right on that date. He's getting aggressive because she's 12 days out from the actual duty. date. So she's, she's feeling some motherly intuition. And you don't want to mess with that.

Well, I don't. Also, something, something that gets increasingly marginalized as a married couple once kids enter the fray is your anniversary date. Yeah. All of a sudden, you're in the middle of seven things. It's like, oh, we got married seven years ago today. That's cool. I'll defer to your experience on this one, but she claims that she is so large and, and, uh, so awkward right now that the baby just needs to come out. You got to go. Yeah. Got to go. Yeah. Get it. Been there, hang in there, Lakeisha. The payoff will be marvelous when Cletus Wessling enters the world. Oh, we are still looking for a name.

Still looking for a name. Hit up Wes on Twitter with suggestions. Maybe you will name the child. It has to be a good one, though. No jokes, no bits. All right. Today's show, got a lot to get to. Monday show, there's news to hit.

Also, we are going to do a bit of a deep dive here on, The curious case of Cam Newton, the former MVP, and still unrestricted free agent, a man looking for work, a man who, no doubt, is chomping at the bit to find a new team and start over after the Panthers opted to cut ties with him. Well, we're going to open up the, swing open the courtroom doors and really break down the teams that make the most sense for Cam Newton and both sides of. the case, why they should be these teams employing a quarterback with Newton's potential and history and also the flip side, the defense, why these teams have stayed away. So that's coming up. Also, at the end of the show, oh, yes, we're spinning the wheel, our new series where we go team by team, or as long as this goes, who knows, every Wednesday or every Wednesday-ish,

we will do a deep dive on one team, and it is completely at random. We're going to spin a wheel. Ricky worked with our behind-the-scenes team at NFL media to create a completely randomized wheel, and the team that it lands on will be the team we discuss in-depth on Wednesday. We'll get to more of that in a bit, but before that, let's do some news. I would like to see Brady with a big glass of whiskey, right, Mark? That would be good.

Just tell them the truth. Yes. Shiver my timbers. I mean, if there's ever a reason to watch the NFL network version of the Iran, the NFL broadcast, it is to hear those gems from Mark Zessler. Mark, take us through the thought process of shiver my timbers there. I think it was a lack of thoughts. I thought at that point, you know, hey, the show is rapping.

Dan's going to take us to break. You rechecked out. Our show, you know, our weekend begins at that point, essentially. We know how that feeling is on. Friday and suddenly you threw it to me and I gave you that non-gem. Shiver my timbers. I don't think I've heard that phrase

since watching Popeye as a child. I thought it was shiver me timbers. But I didn't really, I wasn't sure what that meant, especially in the context of how Dan threw it to you, but I enjoyed it. I have to apologize to all three of you. I thought it was great. Let me just do the shiver me timbers meaning.

It's an exclamation in the form of a mock oath, usually attributed to the speech of pirates in works of fiction. It is employed as a literary device by authors to express shock, surprise, or annoyance. I mean, it made sense then in the context. Yeah, maybe it does. Maybe it does. Give her my timbers. What are ones timbers?

Right. That's the part I don't have nailed down. Are they pants? I don't know. If I always thought it's just like, I'm so scared, I'm shaking in my boots. Right. But that's how I just kind of heard it. my life, I never knew what it meant.

It was maybe the laconic delivery was confusing, too. Like, he didn't sound like too shocked. Truly caught off guard. It was a huge selling point for the show to the people up on the third floor or their empty offices up on the third floor. We want people quick on their feet. Look, and Mark Sessler, perfect example. Ah, drops a pirate phrase from 450 years ago.

That's what we're looking for. All right, let's get into it. perhaps progress. I woke up this morning and had a New York Times alert on my phone that, you know, they're rolling out some vaccine testing in this COVID-19 world. And who knows, maybe that becomes a huge story in a life-saving scenario for all of us. Or maybe it's nothing. And in the NFL, some more potential optimism.

A memo sent to teams for a path to reopening team facilities. It's been laid out to all 32 teams. teams. Roger Goodell sent it out Wednesday, which includes consent from state government officials, establishment of a club infection response team, social distancing, and other measures. This is from Tom Pelliserro, who reported it late last week. All club facilities have been closed since March 25th, as we all know. And now we have an outline of protocols and procedures on the path toward opening them back up. And Greg, for anything to happen in 2020 in terms of a season, Whether it's a full season or a truncated season, these buildings have to open.

So if they can get that done, it's a big step in the right direction. It's a start. It's not a huge deal, I don't think, because it's just medical personnel. You know, it's not coaches. It's just rehabbing injured players. Until coaches can get into the building in every state, they're not going to let any coaches into the building. And we'll see if that takes us through the end of what would have been OTAs

in mini camps or not, which would be the end of June. But even in California, you know, everyone was freaked out about the stay-at-home order, you know, kind of being extended. But the governor and the mayor of Los Angeles are opening up different parts of the city daily almost. And the governor says, you know, some sporty events can be back, you know, in June. And frankly, they already are happening, whether he's allowing it or not. Santa Anita has been racing down in San Diego County.

So we're seeing some pretty good progress, at least that there's hope. that camps could open on time. I think that's what everyone's hoping for, I would guess. I don't know what to trust anymore. I don't know what information to trust. I don't know what people to trust. It seems like one day, deaths continue to rise, and then the next day everything's opening up,

and nobody's worried about a second wave or a third wave. So I'm just taking this as a fluid situation, and who knows what will happen. I'm very much with you, Wes. I mean, you can get drawn, into the latest narrative, but then it seems to flip by the next morning's news cycle. And at the same side, I mean, getting people in for rehab and stuff is an important step. We weren't there two weeks ago. And there's a cast of characters that need legit, like team

medical help. And so I think that in terms of long-term preparation, that matters. But I, you know, I think with this whole thing that we're seeing the tick of human nature where you've got groups of people saying, we've beaten this. But a virus doesn't really care about what people want to say, you know, through microphones and stuff. It's like we have no idea what the future is. So it's very much a wait and see. And it feels a lot more probable that they're going to play games now, though, than it did a month ago. In other news, this is a potential huge deal in the NFL.

The league has came from Jim Trotter, who reported it on Friday. The NFL is proposing a plan. to incentivize minority hiring that could include an improvement in draft positioning. Trotter said the league will present a pair of resolutions at tomorrow's virtual meeting to try to create more movement. This comes after an off-season's hiring cycle where there were many job openings, but again, few minority hires were made both at the head coach and management level. The first resolution would remove the barrier that prevents assistance under contract with a team to interview for a real coordinator job with another team with Goodell reserving the right to determine if it's an actual coordinator role.

And then the big one, the one that everyone's talking about, a team that hires a minority head coach would move up six spots in the third round of the following year's draft. And hiring a minority for the top personnel job would create a 10 spot. improvement. So you can move up your draft order. And, Wes, this is, like I said, coming off and off season where they're just not seeing the gains that they

want and need in evening the scales here. And the Rooney rule, obviously, which was put into effect some time ago, was designed to help minority coaches get jobs, but it's not working in the way they intended. So they're thinking of ramping it up. Your thoughts? Well, sometimes in sports,

it's instructive to take a step back and think like somebody who has not been following sports your entire life. And when you look at the NFL and you see on the field, it's almost all black players. And then you see on the sidelines, it's almost all white coaches. And the GMs are almost all white. There's just something incongruous there that doesn't make much sense. And the current plan, which seems to be let Bruce Arians handle all of this, doesn't work. So I'm not surprised that they went back to the drawing board. My question is for such a small move up the draft board, and it is a tiny move up the draft board,

is it worth the stigma that's going to be attached to a coach or GM who's hired in this fashion? I think it's an interesting idea. You know, a lot of people, I think, shot it down without really having any better ideas. Like, I think it's such a problem that trying new ideas make sense, and I think that's what they're going to. But I thought the same thing, Wes, less about the stigma. I don't know if that would be a concern, although there's certainly a segment of the fan base that would probably put a signal on it,

and maybe that's what you're talking about. And more of that, is it really that huge of an incentive? I mean, is that really going to... Yeah, like they're going to try to get every interview possible. It seems like fixing the problem on the core level of, like, growing young black and, you know, people of color coaches is the bigger issue. It doesn't seem like a big move in the draft.

I mean, I don't know. It's just like people are willing to throw away those sort of moves for anything in the middle of the draft. It just doesn't seem like that huge an incentive to me, whereas the most of the criticism seem to be this is given away way too much, but I just didn't understand that. I feel like we all get a sense when you go through these annual firings where there's a, you know, a flood of interviews for each team. And I feel where the insult seems to lie a little bit is when you can tell that Team A, we already know they want to hire this big name, but then they have to bring in a minority. candidate to do basically a token interview where I would imagine in some cases we've seen it turned down because that candidate knows they're not a serious candidate for the job and so the current incentives the current plan is not working I mean they the NFL each year has a

racial and gender report card and it was the lowest this past year that it's been in 15 years and that's that's kind of shocking and you know Lewis Riddick to your point though Wes made a made you know he he had an interview too and he's someone that's been looked at a GM candidate, but he kind of looked at this proposition and said, I get it. I think we all get it. But what happens if you get that job based off of what seems like on incentivized program? And then you become the GM. And what are people around that team? Do they think that you want to be seen as someone that earned it? And I think it can affect that a little bit. But for a while, I don't know what else to do because it is a critical issue in the league. And there are two GMs right now

that are minorities, and there are only four coaches, and one of them is Ron Rivera, who's been around forever. And you look at the QB coaches and the coordinator roles, and there's not enough, to Greg's point, growing people into those positions, and that's probably where it starts. Another one of those minority coaches is Anthony Lynn of the Chargers. He spoke to CBS Sports Radio, and he was critical of the plan. He said, I think sometimes you can do the wrong thing while trying to do the right thing. I think this is out of desperation. This is something that we're throwing out there, but it is what it is. You can't make people hire someone they don't want to hire for whatever reason.

So we'll see if this is something that moves forward or if it stops right where it is as a proposal and they come up with maybe something else. But it does seem like there will be more changes and more help for these minority candidates down the line. We'll see if this is the plan that ends up being used. In other news, bad news, around. the Giants and Seahawks in the legal realm. Giants cornerback DeAndre Baker,

who the team took in the first round last year, and Seahawks cornerback, Quentin Dunbar, both turned themselves into the Broward County Jail on Saturday to satisfy arrest warrants in connection with an alleged robbery in Miramar, Florida last week. This is heavy-duty stuff. There were guns involved, lots of money and goods stolen, and both players are in the center of it.

DeAndre Baker has been told by the team, the Giants to stay away from team activities right now, the virtual meetings. And it seems like a situation that could, you know, last well into the season, potentially and some real legal consequences in the offing potentially. Tough situation here. Yeah, Baker was a first round pick of Dave Gettleman. And he struggled for most of last year. And he fell in the draft, you know, because there were, you know, some concerns coming out of school about his focus and off the field. and all that. And now he's in a situation where it's pretty clear reading the, you know,

you can just look at his bond. He had to pay $200,000 to get out of jail. Dunbar was half as much. Dunbar's lawyer at least swears up and down that everyone has recanted that he was there in the first place and he might have an easier legal route out of this. We'll see. Who knows? But Baker, Baker struggled so bad and it's such a serious claim.

Who know? If you told me he's never a member of the Giants again, like, it's, It seems like it's at that level, but it's hard to guess where we're legal cases are going to go. We're in a weird spot where really the only punishment they could lay on them was you're not invited to the Zoom meeting this week positionally. And I mean, you know, we're at the point where we're all on, have been on. I think now it's not cool to do Zoom meetings with your friends. Oh, we're post Zoom. The what?

We're post Zoom. Right. It's become tired and all that. But I mean, I imagine there's a few Gibronies out there that after a couple Zoom calls with old friends, they said, let's not invite. Robbie back next time. And I think that's just, Baker just got, he got zoomed out of there.

Running around with the guns. I just did the projected starters for NFCs. The Giants have maybe the worst cornerback group in the league or one of them anyways. If they had Baker. You know, they have James Badbury, Baker, and Sam Beale, and nothing behind those three. And Baker and Beal struggled in our second year players.

So it's like whether, whether he's you know whatever happens with his legal case this is a major problem for gettelman who kind of invested in baker as a as a key part of their future unfortunately baker is not the only former first round pick from 2019 to run a foul of the law uh over the last past few days a bill's defensive tackle ed oliver arrested on drunk driving charges in houston over the weekend uh he was found allegedly with a beer between his legs they searched his car a good Gun turns up. So this could lead to a suspension, perhaps a beefy one for Oliver, who's coming off

a promising West rookie year in Buffalo. Now it's just been complicated a bit. Yeah, similar to Baker, there were questions about Oliver's character coming out of college. And to me, like, I'm afraid to go to the grocery store. How are these people partying and committing crimes in the middle of a pandemic? I don't know what's going on. they're acting stupid they're being goofballs i mean i think there's like we always hear there's two americas i think there might be another division where it's people over 40 and people under 40

the way they're treating the pandemic well i also think where the at least the baker incident happened in florida it's a different world in florida right now that it is in california and that comes from the leadership you know above whether it's the governor or the local mayors or everything. It's a different world down there in Miami Beach right now. How about this? Go ahead. Go ahead. Mark. No, go ahead. I will. I'll go now. I just was thinking like, you know, you can include Erica in this. What would, if we had to over the next week, organize a collecting, you know, a large enough arsenal of guns and pull off a bank robbery, what would our chance zero to 100 be of pulling that off successfully? We're not unintelligent individuals,

I think, for the most part, but we have no experience in that realm. Would we just, just would, do we even know how to get guns if we needed to? Am I allowed to even ask this question? I don't know. Walk across the street from the NFL network offices? Right. See, but that, that lines out the door when the pandemic started.

That's not the way we think. There's another crowd of people that are thinking, I must get guns immediately and maybe rob a bank. So you want to go underground to find some illegal firearms before we rob a bank? Well, I don't want to go an empty-handed to into the, you know, the North In this co-off, I mean, you've got to roll in there. In this dream scenario, our female assassins have evolved taking you out at the end of it? Well, we have Erica attached to us.

I wouldn't put her in a new category, but we'd all be in new categories. I mean, there was a successful bank robbery right across the street from Ellis's elementary school in the fall. Like straight up old school, the kids, the neighborhood total lockdown was, she said it was her favorite day of school all year. They just watch movies all day. And they got away with it, old school. still happens sometimes. I had a friend that worked at a bank, and he said that a lot of people try to rob banks on Friday because you think that people didn't, yep, but Monday's the day to rob the bank

because that's when the Brinks trucks come with all the money for the week. Here we are. Just say, if you want to know, Monday is the day. I would say this is how to do, because I've watched a ton of real crime programs, including one recently that profiled a collection of, bank robbers that were successful over a long stretch. In fact, they robbed the same bank three or four times over a 18-month stretch, I believe. That's a bear. You don't want to do it in L.A. There's too many police forces in L.A. You know, there's just too much heat around here. In fact,

there's a world famous, like all-time bank robbery here in L.A. that involved the massive shootout with SWAT and all this stuff. We got to get out to a countryside. We got to get out to a kind of po-dunk town and hit that one, one that's not prepared that doesn't have the police force. And it has to be coordinated. There has to be a getaway driver. There has to be all sorts of knowledge of the inside inner workings of the bank. I mean, that goes without saying. Got to be smart.

Like a sleepy Hammondegger town. We just ride in. We strike at 8 a.m. And we're out by 830 with, you know, $7,800,000 each or throw a zero on that and jewelry. We've got a big problem here. Who among us is the muscle? no we operate in technology technology who has handled a gun at any point in their lives well i think sort of my question gun range i might my guess would be gregg

gregg will be the guy the triggerman have you not going to hurt anybody rid in a motorcycle this is tricky no erika another bank cycle so you're too easier why you can i come from an inside source no a motorcycle is the easiest way to go through the drive for through and or to get quicken out another bank that my friend worked at you know they do bank robbery training when you work at the banks and they say that motorcycles are way harder to catch I call sidecar I mean I like that Mark mentioned we're each getting seven that I mean I need a little more to risk at all you know than 70 well no but you learn on the small banks you know they only have so much in the coffers and then we then we'll then we'll strike big in like Seattle

two other things to be wary of the silent alarm that's right underneath the counter where the teller is. Got to make sure that person doesn't compromise it. And also they put the paintball thing in the bags of money. They explode. And then the money is both traceable and worthless. So just a lot of stuff. We want to do this.

We've got to take it off pot. We don't need a gun. You just hand them a note, tell them to keep quiet and hand over the money. All right. That's what's happening in the news. There's a couple more things, but we kind of ate up the time with the bank robbery talk. Well, sorry, that shook out. Will Todd Gurley be healthy for the Falcons out of the rundown?

We have no answers to that question. Neither does Dirk Cudder. It is perhaps notable that Dirk Cutter is openly wondering if Todd Gurley is healthy after taking him on. That's a bit interesting. He's saying the quiet part out loud. I mean, Todd Gurley's was for, we'll move on. He was fourth in the league in snaps back-to-back ears. People honking a lot about a guy who plays a lot.

He just hasn't been that good. That's fair. All right. Let's move on. It's time to get into it. It is the curious case of the MVP quarterback and the invisible team. And we're going to go through four NFL franchises who have been linked to Cam Newton, the great Cam Newton, the unemployed.

the unemployed Cam Newton. And this is how we'll do it. One of us will be the plaintiff. One of us will be the defendant for each of the four cases. Okay. I'll do a little double duty as a judge if I need to keep things under control in the judge Wapner role. But I'm going to try to stay out of the way as the judge

and let the plaintiff and the defendant do what they have to do. Ricky, none of this pop culture is, Ephemra is connecting with you, I'm sure, but you would be the Doug Llewellyn, hypothetically, who is kind of just in the studio talking low into a microphone. I'll let you know if we need you for that. You've got Doug Llewellyn vibes, though. I feel it. I'm sure that's an insult. But I don't know. You're the muscle. No, you're just a solid court reporter. He was, yeah, he was good. Doug Llewellyn was not the muscle of the people's court. Anyway, all right, let us get into it. Real quick, Ricky. The verdict, are you guilty of lazy, cliched thinking,

shrinking from the challenge of giving your organization the best chance to win? Guilty or not guilty? All right. I like that. See, Wes just amped up the stakes considerably. Hit it, Ricky. Denver Broncos up first. This is the plaintiff. Me, Dan Hans us.

He contends that the Denver Broncos are making a huge mistake by ignoring a major need at quarterback he's suing for franchise negligence and emotional abuse on the fan base. This is the defendant, Chris Wessling. He believes the Denver Broncos and John L.A. are a right to throw their support behind Drew Locke, a promising second-year passer who guided the team to four wins in the final five games of the season.

Let's get into it. What you are witnessing is real. The participants are not actors. They are actual litigants with a case pending in a California municipal court. Both parties have agreed to dismiss their court cases and have their dispute settled here in our forum, the people's court.

All right, let's get into it. The plaintiff speaks first. That's me. Listen, Wes, I know the Broncos, that's your team. They're your boys. And I get that John Elway is a man that inspires confidence, even if he's had swings and misses. And he's even promised us.

He's got a lot more swings and misses in him before they send him packing. but as I've said in this pod many times before now in this off season, it seems very strange to use a five-game sample from Jewelock and then build a playoff caliber roster all around this young former second round pick and then just say he's the guy because you want him to be the guy. And I'll tell you what I did, Wes, and you'll be proud of me for this. I went back and I watched those drew lock starts because I've been getting so many I've been getting killed by Broncos Twitter and I watched those drew lock starts and I came away largely meh about the whole thing I think he averaged about six and a half yards per attempt he showed good mobility and ability to keep plays alive he's got a nice arm but he also a lot of boneheaded mistakes of course he's a rookie and that is to be a expected, but that was something that was the

M.O. on him going back to college, that he was a guy that made a lot of bad decisions. And it just seems ridiculous to me that Drew Locke and then a couple of Hammondegers, beneath him on the depth chart, all due respect to, I believe, Jeff Driscoll and somebody

who's worse than Jeff Driscoll, that with Cam Newton sitting out there and an otherwise playoff ready roster, that you wouldn't seriously consider slash go through with bringing in Cam and giving your self that safety net. I rest my case.

Biotch. Well, out of order. Let me first state that Cam Newton is not a backup quarterback. He's a starting quarterback in the NFL, and it makes no sense for a team with a 2019 draft pick to bring him in as an undermining force. He makes sense more with an established quarterback who might be injury prone, and you need a high caliber backup there in case of emergency. Drew Locke was the top quarterback on our board in 2019, above Kyler Murray.

We almost picked him in the first round. We traded up to get him in the second round. We like him. We like his college tape. And anyone who doubts he has what it takes to be a long-term starter in Denver should go rewatch the Texans game over and over again. Aggressive downfield, tight window throws outside the numbers, throws his tight end open for a TD, made plays late in the down-through improvisation.

one of the hardest quarterbacks to sack through his five starts in the entire league. We've surrounded this guy with the talent he needs to succeed because we believe he is a first round quarterback who just happened to fall to the second round. And you want the truth I'll level with you. All of us in the AFC West are the Bill Pulley and Colts. If the starter goes down, we're screwed. The chiefs are head and shoulders above the rest of the division. If we lose Drew Locke, we're not winning the division.

So why bother undermining his confidence or confuse the team about who our quarterback is when we know if he gets injured, we're just not winning the division? What kind of way is that to run a football team then? Oh, we're done. This guy has to be a star or what are we even doing here? Your job is a team builder, John. Am I talking to John Elway or am I talking to Wes? You're talking to John Elway. Okay.

This one's for you, Dan. if very good if my job as team builder is to make sure this team stays afloat that i have them fully prepared that i'm giving my head coach the best opportunity to win i owe it to the fans and the team to build a roster where we're not shipwrecked if a second round pick who had a question marks all around who coming into the league doesn't become the star i mean they you can't leave the covered bear behind Drew Locke. It's just irresponsible. And John Oway and John, I don't mean, I don't

be disrespectful, but like, you stink at this. You've been, you've proven time and time again. Order in the court. Order in the court. That was disrespectful. I'm sorry. I withdraw that. But there's been a lot of evidence pointing to the fact that you do not know

what you're doing at the quarterback position. A lot of irony there, given your background as a quarterback, but it's the truth. Why should I give you the benefit the doubt that's my closing comments well i'm not going to take this personally you raise a good point my job is to give this team the best chance to win and people like you you have the luxury of thinking like a fan i have to think like a general manager my job is to put drew lock in the best position to succeed and that's the responsibility i have to an organization to an

ownership group to my fans the guy who i believe has what it takes to succeed i cannot undermine him i have to give this franchise the best chance. And to me, the best chance is to make sure Drew Locke is a successful quarterback. This is turning into the OJ trial. Let's get to a verdict here. Hey, hey, hey, we don't need anything from the galley, nothing from the peanut gallery. All right. Greg Rosenthal, you're in the Judge Wapner role here.

What is your verdict? Oh, my decision resides with the prosecution. John Elway, you're guilty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Next case. This is the plaintiff, Greg Rosenthal. He believes the Washington Redskins have numerous reasons to believe Dwayne Haskins is not the long-term answer quarterback.

And they cannot pass on the opportunity to bring a former MVP into the building. He is suing for lack of organizational common sense. This is the defendant, Mark Sessler. He believes Dwayne Haskins never received a fair shake in his first season and that the former first round pick deserves more time to reach his potential in our league. Well, I get that everyone wants to just shove Cam Newton onto any team in the league at this point and tell everyone how great that would be. And it does fit for a bunch of teams, I think. And I see why it would. does not fit for our Washington Redskins. And I'm going to tell you why right now. We have Ron Rivera

in the building. We have Scott Turner in the building. And while you can pitch the argument that these guys have worked with Cam and know them, they also had a chance and still have a chance to go get Cam Newton or make it clear to Cam Newton that they're interested. And there has not been so much as a quiet fart on that front. Not a whisper. There's no interest because that's not order, order. Course language is not accepted in the courtroom. I am sorry, Your Honor, but I believe in the point that the Redskins have a belief that Dwayne Haskins was not given the same type of chance that other first round quarterbacks were given last year. You had Bill Callahan have to take over a team and, you know, with all due respect to what Bill Callahan did, you're not going to get a good look

at a rookie quarterback and a frazzled offense that wants to run the ball 50 times a game and close out contests in two hours and three minutes. He needs more time. He needs better coaching. And it's basically your tangling narratives. And you want to talk about the Redskins is disorganized. It's go draft the first round quarterback that you can't really even argue as had a fair shake and then go bring in a veteran that's going to completely disrupt his development. And on a non-win now team, not even a great situation for Cam Newton, frankly, you're going to have fans calling for Cam Newton to displace Haskins immediately or as soon as the team encounters trouble, which will be about eight minutes into the first quarter of week one.

And then that's the team. You're going to be dealing with total chaos. And that's what Ron Revis was brought there to neutralize. That's enough bullbussering. That's enough bullbustering. You don't bring in Cam Newton. I mean, you start listening to these fans. You'll be one of them. I mean, the Redskins have been listening to their fans

and making emotional decisions for too long. Until you have a quarterback, just keep bringing them in. Don't worry about it. The only good decision the Redskins ever made at quarterback, really, over the last few years, was drafting Kirk Cousins in the same draft as Robert Griffin III. You get two. You don't worry about the fans saying,

oh, that's a bad pick. You know, we don't need them here. You just see what happens. And in terms of like wait until next year, I mean, this organization, they've been waiting until next year forever. We got an adult in the building, Ron Rivera. Let's just start getting classy. I love when this show evaluates quarterbacks after one season because they've never been

wrong about that. I like Dwayne Haskins more than any, I think of the four of us in this courtroom. then if he's the guy that we think he can be, then he'll go be great in this offense. He'll show a lot of promise and he'll win that job. It can't hurt to have two quarterbacks. I've heard it up. Chris Wessling, Judge Wessling, your final thoughts, Your Honor.

Vertical. I find the Redskins guilty of lazy, cliched thinking and also of thinking that Kyle Allen's a better quarterback than Cam Newton. Give me a break with that one. They thought it last year down the stretch and they think it again this year. sorry guilty let's move on this is the plaintiff mark zessler back for another go-around he believes the pittsburghs are showing far too much faith in ben rafflesberger

a 38-year-old quarterback coming off reconstructive elbow surgery he's suing for franchise negligence and abuse of blind faith This is the defendant, the old Zusser. He believes that Big Ben has shown progress in his recovery from surgery and deserves the benefit of the doubt for sustained greatness over a Hall of Fame career. Mr. Sessler. This one's pretty simple. me. It's not an argument of Cam Newton is better than Big Ben or offers more than Big Ben,

but this is a team that even last year, with Big Ben out of the lineup and a rash of other injuries, was still knocking on the playoff door with a couple weeks to go in the season. And if you're Cam Newton, you want to go somewhere where, let's be honest, you are not a starter at this point. In terms of most teams bringing you in, you want to go to a quality organization where you have a chance to basically show the league once again, here's who I am. am in a year from now, I will be starting elsewhere. And I think that this, to me, has a little bit of a Teddy Bridgewater to the Saints type bide to it, where Cam Newton is probably going to get a chance to play two or three,

very critical games for the Steelers and place a Big Ben just based on history. That's a roll of the dice. And if he does, he's in an offense that can sing right away. You're not dealing with a bottom five scenario there. Cam Newton can come in to be very productive, being an immediate fan favorite. The defense is a Super Bowl defense. And you can trust Mike Tomlin to do right by you. And while I don't like the idea of Cam Newton going and having to blow up a young rookie starter who a team believes in,

I do like this as a Super Bowl window operation. They certainly see themselves that way, even if maybe some do not, a playoff contender getting stronger at quarterback. They have nothing behind Big Ben that I trust at this point. It blew up their season a year ago. I think it's a great situation for the players around them if Big Ben goes down. And look, Cam Newton may be someone you could use in that offense alongside Big Ben. And I would say this as a final note, we need to see what Big Ben is. And if there's any reason he's 60% of Big Ben or his beard is weighing him down too much.

I know he got a trim. He looks real sharp right now. But Big Ben injuries have sidelined this team too many times over the course of his long and celebrated run with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Cam Newton makes a lot of sense. We need to start looking at Ben Rafflesberger as a different case here. This is not Drew Locke. This is not Dwayne Haskins. This is a guy that has been a star for a long time.

So the idea of bringing in Cam Newton would create a circus. You can't have Ben Rafflesberger and Cam Newton on the same roster together. It is not a situation that's going to do anything. but turn the Steelers into a circus. That's not what this organization is about. They don't do things that way. They do not bring Tim Tebow in. They don't do circus-type maneuvers at a desperation.

And I think the way here is to look at what Big Ben's doing and his workouts and his rehabs and what we're seeing. He just released a video that he's throwing the ball. He looks good. He looked, you know, he looked a little bulbous. I'm going to be fair. It's a little heavier. last time at the end of last season.

But you see him throwing and working out this past week. And he looks like Big Ben to me. And now to calm any other and alleviate any other fears, Mark, he is trimming the beard back. So you don't have that scary mountain man vibe to him, like a guy that's lost all grip with society. And he's going to go Ted Kaczynski in a cabin somewhere. This man's ready to play football and play at a high level.

And I don't need Cam Newton coming in here. and mucking up the whole situation. No disrespect to the former MVP. All right. Well, Godspeed with your bulbous quarterback. Formerly bulbous. Temporarily bulbous.

He's big boned. Can I tag in here as Christopher Darden? What is this circus talk? How is this any different than Drew Brees and James Winston? You make it clear that Cam Newton's the backup. He's an upgrade on Mason Rudolph. And then you fly. Drew Brees.

Drew Brees. It is not well said. It's poorly said. It's well said. Ben Ralthusberger is a Hall of Famer. So is Drew Breese. No. Ben Ralthusberger is a hall of favor.

Cam Newton is an MVP. You're likening Cam Newton to James Winston. Nobody knows what Cam Newton is. Nobody knows what Cam Newton is just like Andrew Luck in the summer two years ago. James Winston is a deeply inconsistent quarterback who threw so many interceptions this past year that the fact that he threw 30 plus touchdowns in 5,000 yards was wiped away. He got dumped and had to sign almost at the veteran minimum. Cam Newton's a former MVP.

At least I revolutionized the quarterback position in the last decade. You can't compare the two guys. It's a totally different scenario in terms of what it does. Hey, Peyton Manning's available too. What happened two years ago doesn't matter. All right. We go to the judge. Well, obviously not going to be Wes.

I'll go to Greg. Well, despite the first use of bulbous I've heard since a description of Bill Clinton's nose. That was pretty much the only time I've ever heard the word bolus. It's just always talk about that bulbous nose. And really strong arguments, I've got to go with the prosecution. Mark Sessler here, gutless behavior by the Steelers. All right. Mark needed the win.

That's fine. Final one. How dare you? This is the plaintiff, Chris Wessling. He believes that the Patriots decision to, part ways with Tom Brady, then failed to address the quarterback position in a substantial way, has set up

the organization for potential incompetence in 2020. He's suing for franchise negligence and belief in false gods. This is the defendant, Greg Rosenthal. This is what I've been waiting for. The scientists going at it. He believes the Patriots have never

done anything wrong, and Bill Belichick is completely and totally infallible. Mr. Wesley? Jared Stidham drafted on day three, which means he was evaluated by the NFL as a backup coming out of college. Due to a strong preseason salary cap issues in the absence of Tom Brady, he is now seen as a savior. But how relevant is the preseason?

Right there on your roster, you have Chase, the preseason defensive player of the year who went on to play about 290 snaps out of 1,000 during the season. How relevant is that? You have a fourth round pick who outplayed Stidham in the preseason. Ryan Finley for the Bengals, they decided halfway through the year. He was their answer and better than Andy Dalton. He lasted a few starts. We saw he was a backup.

A backup. That's what he is. Why bring in Cody Cessler after the pick six? If you thought he was good enough, if you thought he was good enough, to be your future starter, you'd have kept them on as your backup in the middle of the season. There is no, Cody Susser. You're out of order.

Boston Sports Journal says, Jared Stenham, evaluated by the Patriots themselves as being a year away from ready to start for this team. So to me. Mr. Rosenthal. Yeah, go ahead, Greg. Defend your team. Were you or were you not,

the same person who said just a few minutes ago if you just have a 2019 draft pick why do you want to confuse everything by bringing in a veteran? It's a yes or no question. I did not say that.

I said a 2019 early round pick. Was Jared Stidham or not expected to be a first round pick before he would before his senior season? Yes. Sneat a few years back.

How often have you watched Jared Stidham at practice? Never. So how often as the, you know, the greatest coach of all time watched him at practice? Enough times to say this was not by design having only Jared Stidtum as our quarter. So do you think you have a better evaluation process than the greatest coach of all time. Badgering the witness. I do not. I also don't believe that he believes.

Are you aware of the 1,000. meals that Jarrett Stidham and his wife have given away to families in need during the pandemic. So we found something he does better than quarterback. Strike that from the record. That's irrelevant. How is that irrelevant? That is part of the process of being. Mr. Roosevelt, I'm warning you. Be careful here. Do you want to be, hey, look at your boy, Nick Saban. Do you want to be the Nick Saban of the dolphins? You refuse to bring in a guy because you have questions about his shoulder. You want to be the Knicks-Sabin

Dolphins for the next decade? Ooh. Look, when you've got a backup quarterback, like Brian Hoyer there, you just don't want, oh, who am I kidding? This is ridiculous. I give up.

You should do all these teams for about practice. This is Cam Newton we're talking about. He should be in the league. What are you all doing? YouTube Patriots. I'm going back to pro bono. I quit. Somebody got a straight jacket.

Yeah. That's how do you want your lawyer to act there? It was completely, you know. I don't think he was going to be happy about his counsel here. I thought that guy had good lawyers. It seems like that guy's got great lawyers. I want someone else on the wall. All right.

Well, Mark, clean this up as the judge here. I don't know what even to make of what we just saw. Well, I have to almost throw the case out. I mean, you have to take this back to square one. But based on what I saw, I think, you know, football. all in general. Bill Belichick is someone that has always wanted to get the best possible player. I remember when

the Cleveland Browns under Bill Belichick had Bernie Cozhar as the... Well, this is, you know, you're using past cases and a past case would be Bernie Cozard in Cleveland. And Belichick brought in Vinnie Testa Verdi, caused all sorts of problems. Jared Stidham is not Bernie Cozhar.

I don't see why you don't do this. I'm with Wes. And by the way, West seems to be one of the two sides, the two lawyers that believe in his own case. I like your use of precedence. That's very... Precedent, baby. Yeah. Well done, everyone.

It was great about Wapner. He was very efficient with his words. You know, when he... Not us. Not a known bloviator, that Judge Wapner. All right, tune in next week for more cases here at the People's Court. This is adjourned. What is it called?

This courtroom is adjourned. That's it. Nice work. all right before we go good stuff i don't know what we accomplished there but you know that was fun um it is now time yes we get people complain we get complaints sometimes not all the time but occasionally that certain teams don't get enough coverage on our podcast this is the around the NFL podcast and it does uh i suppose make sense that every team gets equal coverage that said that's impossible it's just not the way it's not the way it's not the way

Any podcast can operate taking notes and to the second, to the minute, to the hour, how much love each team gets. A team only gets as much love as they're interesting to us, really. But what we're introducing here in the middle of a pandemic with, let's be honest, some minutes to kill, is a new recurring segment where we will choose one team at random, selected at the end of a Monday show, and then devote an entire segment to that team. and prove to you that we do care about your team. Your team matters. And we'll put our heads together after each Monday show, decide who is the best kind of outside beat reporter or whomever to connect with. We'll have a guest involved on each show, ideally,

that will give a in-depth perspective, someone who's covering the team on a day-to-day basis. So we're really going to have fun with this. Also, we're going to as a group, it will be a homework assignment for us that we will do our studies and we'll do some reading and learn up and learn more about these teams before we have a nice conversation on Wednesday because nobody wants ill-informed gibronies talking about their team. That's a real, Greg, that's a real test.

As you know from going back a long time now, PFT, if someone's going to read about or listen to their team, they want the national people to have a general idea, not just general, but an actual idea of what's going on, not brush strokes, broad strokes, that we're going in with a fine detailed tiny comb, right? Tricky as part about going national. You got to be able to match the hometown fan base, at least like 80, 90%, you know, for all 32 teams. This will be a great test.

So for one show at least, we will match that level of coverage. And Erica worked behind the scenes to get us a wheel of teams that you can see here if you're watching a video component of our show. We're going to spin the wheel and being completely honest and transparent, we do not know where this wheel lands. It has been set up.

Ricky, can you jump in for a second and just explain to the audience the mechanics behind this that there's no way to throw this in any way? Yep. I was sent it via the graphics team. It's programmed that once it lands on a team, it gets cut from the wheel. And they will be needed.

no repeat. So once it lands it, I was afraid to even press it for the first time. So I don't even know where it's going to land. Okay. So this is the moment of truth. And, and Mark, people, if it lands on the Jets or Browns, we're going to catch hell here. But again, this is completely randomized. And that's just the way it is. But the odds are it will not hit the Jets, Browns, Patriots, Bengals, Broncos, Colts, our favorite teams. It will hit on another team. But there's only one way to find out, right, Wes? well i think the jets browns and patriots should be taken off the board no west no that's not how you guys want to take your pick who you feel like that has to be you know you have a gut feeling

i mean it's one in 32 right i have a strong feeling it's going to land on the cardinals okay i am almost certain just because it's been talked up it will be the jets or browns uh vikings All right. Skip it, Ricky. I don't guess. There's no money on the line. Oh, the Arizona Cardinals.

I had told you I had a feeling, so. He had a Sessler. Wow. I want everyone to realize that Mark saying that he did not see the wheel, there has been no wheel. Mark just accurately predicted that the Arizona Arizona Cardinals will be the focus of our Wednesday show. I also did my research.

Another W for you. I also did my research on the Cardinals over the weekend. So I just felt very confident that would be the case. It's very convincing. Convincing surprise from Erica, too. I thought it was great all the way around. Wait, I really didn't know. We didn't know.

Good. It was good. Dan's probably a little annoyed this happened because it feels like the fix is in. And it was genuinely, Greg, not so subtly trying to undermine the segment as usual by saying Ricky knew what it was. Mark, if she hadn't said anything, Brennan wouldn't have been as big a giveaway. I swear, I swear on Thor that I did not text anyone or not. Right. Why are you eating lunch in the middle of the podcast? Yeah, we're done.

It's like 1.30 now, you know. It also just happens to be first alphabetically among the teams. All right. Well, that's something to track for next week. Atlanta, no, no, that's wrong. Carr comes before T. It is Arizona. So tune in Wednesday.

Any Cardinals fans out there? This is a special show for you. It will not be the only thing we talk about on Wednesday. We'll have the news and anything else going on. So check in on Wednesday our next audio show. And yes, a reminder, every Friday they ran the NFL broadcast on NFL Network. All right. That's it.

Good stuff, everybody. Monday's over. from a work component angle. That's good. For you. The grind continues, though. Yeah. All right.

This is Dan Hansa signing off for Quiet Storm, The Mailman, the old boss, Rick Hollywood, behind the glass. Congratulations, Arizona Cardinals. You will fly with us on Wednesday. Until then. Hey,

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