NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Daboll out as Giants Coach and Burrow Practicing with Ian Rapoport

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport to react to the New York Giants firing Head Coach Brian Daboll. The guys discuss want went into the decision (0:10), what could be next for General Manager Joe Schoen (06:15) and what to expect from interim Head Coach Mike Kafka (14:00). Plus, Joe Burrow is back on the practice field (16:10)! Note: time codes approximate.    NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to NFL Daily, where fourth and goal at the half yard line is an automatic go for us. forever. I am Greg Rosenthal. I am here in my garage for a surprise podcast. It's not an emergency podcast. There's no emergency happening here, but there is some news. New York Giants have fired Brian Dable on Monday morning, and we are joined by none other than NFL network Grand Puba insider Ian Rappaport to help us break down the news. Ian, were you surprised that it happened now? I was not surprised no. I would say, you know, once the questions start, there's really only two ways to handle it, right? And I think everyone, you look on the field, you can hear all the stuff, but really the product is what it is on the field, right?

And so there's been rumors about Brian Dayball and a potential firing for quite a while. And then you see how the players react. And it was another lead. It was another game that they had in hand on the road. And then it was another inexplicable collapse, plus Jackson Dart got hurt. So I think this is the kind of thing that, you know, for me, was on my radar all morning knowing that, for sure, it could be a possibility. It makes sense. And I think once you, you know, look, no one wants to do this during the season, right?

It doesn't help. It only makes the season just a lost season. Nobody wants to do it during the season. But once you know that you're going to fire him, just do it. Right. I mean, just there's timing's always bad. everything's always bad just make it clean break and move on um so yeah i mean i would say um it was not a surprise and unfortunately because brian dale was a really good guy probably

what was necessary um he chose to kick a field goal like like i mentioned it was it was fourth and goal at the one they were up seven in the fourth quarter we talked about it on a recap show it's just a sad way to go out. Unfortunately, their defense had been struggling overall, but they had had a great game through three quarters. They get a penalty on that potential field goal. They hit the field goal and they decide not to take the penalty. It would have been from the half yard line and then they blow the lead and a few days later it's gone. I did notice a beat writer. I think it was Pat Leonard, excuse me, if I'm wrong, said, you know, one of the things that could get dable fired before the by week, let's say, because they have three tough games before their by week, was getting

Jackson Dart hurt. And I do wonder if the four concussion tests that he has done in his brief time as a starter and then being ruled out with a concussion in this game after running again and again and taking some big hits. Some of that is on Dart not protecting himself, but some of that is on Daibble. How do you think like the Jackson Dart equation played into this? Because, you know, one thing I think people said to make the case for Daibble is you don't want to take away Jackson's coach when he's good with quarterbacks and he's off to a good start in his career. How do you think that worked out when making this decision? Yeah, I mean, I don't think Brian Dayball got Jackson Dart hurt.

I think he got hurt because football is a violent game and people unfortunately sometimes get hurt. I mean, there's been plenty of really good coaches who have not been able to get quarterbacks to slide and stay out of harm's way. I don't know that that's Brian Dayball's fault. and I don't know that I mean whether or not Jackson Dart starts the next game

like to me that wouldn't change the trajectory of the giant season like there's been so many games that have followed the same script that it's like what could I have seen you know what could I have seen that would make me say like all right well now

because he got dart injured therefore fire him it's like no you know look the development of the quarterback is always the most important. And yes, Jackson Dart has looked very good in Brian Dayball system. We are going to see what he looks like with Mike Kafka, because this is a little bit of a tryout to challenge, but a little bit of a tryout.

And I'm sure Kafka will get interviews. Interim coaches always get interviews. And we'll kind of see what he looks like in the same system with a different head coach. I would also say that, you know, as we look at this thing, I mean, you have, you know, obviously the Titans and Giants is the only job It's open. There's a couple other possibilities in Miami who team put a lot better this week.

That's a possibility. There's some other possibilities, but this is a really good job. I mean, Jackson Dart is someone who, with the right coach and system and, you know, infrastructure around him has proven that he can be a guy. And so if you're, you know, a young head coach, a retread head coach who wants another shot, really anyone. Like, this would be a job you want because you don't have to search for a quarterback. You have a quarterback. It's a great call in terms of Dax and Dart is such a great starting point. Like in that game yesterday, in particular, although he's looked good overall.

I was really impressed. And it's not just his running ability. And I do think you can get on Dable a little bit for running like QB power a few times. It's like they're building their offense around him running the ball quite a bit. But he did more things throwing the ball in that. game and has looked better than I would have ever expected. And to buttress your point, Ian, there's a great word, buttress. It's not a great.

Got Jackson Dart, got a top five NFL left tackle in Andrew Thomas. You have Malik neighbors coming off of an injury next year, but you have Malik neighbors. And you have a defensive line where Brian Burns, Dexter Lawrence, and Abdul Carter are all signed through at least 2027. You even have Cave in Tibido next year, still two. for a renovation project, that's pretty good, especially because of DART. Now, I will put to you,

I have my own opinions on this, but I'm curious if you have a feeling of how the Giants want to operate, do you think it's going to be a full rebuild with a new front office helping to choose a new head coach? Or do you think Joe Shane, who was brought in at the same time

as Brian Dable, could potentially survive this or even as likely to survive this and still be running the team in 2026. Well, there's been no changes other than Brian Dayball now. Historically, when you have a major move, it's either one or both. It's rarely, you do see it sometime. We saw it with Jacksonville last year in what I would consider to be extenuating circumstances, but almost always the changes happen and then it's about the next.

It's about moving on. It's about fixing and all that. You know, I'd be surprised, if that was the case, I'd be surprised if they made a change at general manager. You know, they didn't come in as a package deal, but essentially they did come in together. You know, I would say allowing a GM to make more than one coaching hire is what most organizations do. Like rarely, you bring in a guy, you package them together, and then you say, all right, you're done. You don't get the chance to hire a head coach. So generally you do.

I would also say, you know, as a GM, like, really what you want to do, it's not just about collecting talent because I think that's important. That's not the job. It's building a team. And I would say at least what Joe Shane has done is built enough talent to win. It has not been a cohesive team. So, like, they have not been, you know, they have not won a lot of games. But the people I've spoken with, like, that defense should be a lot.

better. They got a lot of talent on the defense. I know there was a lot of discussion about moving on from their defensive coordinator this past off season. I know Brian Daibald didn't want to do it. And they ended up not doing it. Would they be better with a different D.C.? I think possibly. But based on the people I've spoke with, they believe there was more than enough talent on that roster to win, certainly more than enough talent to be two and eight. It's really interesting having gotten a peek into the Giants front office with that hard knocks and I don't think personally Joe Shane came off incredible in that

not just in terms of the decisions letting Xavier McKinney and Sequin Barclay but just you weren't watching that and feel like you were seeing you know 1960s Red Hourback or anything like that and since since January I would say let me just interrupt you I would just say those conversations like that feel was pretty normal like that's what it sounds

like you know like yes i mean i heard from some people in the league that were kind of like these are the conversations we're glad we're we're competing against these guys yeah i didn't get that and i talked to a lot of jams you talk to a lot more than me let's be real uh so i didn't get that now the decisions like sequin went on to be an MVP candidate would he have been a candidate with the giants like i don't think so the offensive lines a lot worse like they spent the money elsewhere like there are different arguments to be made but i don't think that like the hard knocks maybe looked bad to the public because you let's say go and go and then he plays so great but i don't get the sense that really altered joe shane's actual job status no i i i hear that

to me sometimes it was more about just like when they were talking about brian burns and you know they pop in there like hey he had a lot you know they're like counting up the quarterback hits and stuff and just like, isn't there something more there? Here, I'll just give you some record, some numbers, though. Okay. You mentioned the four double-digit losses on the road this year, which is crazy. And yeah, Dables, Giants have crazy, by the way. Been, just crazy.

Really bad luck, too, but also just crazy. 29th in scoring since he arrived. Since the day they went to Philadelphia, Ian, for the divisional round of the playoffs. In January of 2023, not that long ago, the Giants have gone. 11 and 34. Since they hired Brian Dable and Joe Shane, they have the fourth worst record in football. Since they won the Super Bowl against the Patriots,

they have won the third least amount of games. So Giants are 30th. Browns and Jets are two wins behind. And if you break it down, if you start, like since they fired Cofflin, second worst, since McAdoo, fourth worst, since Shermer, second worst,

since Judge, fourth worst. Like, they have consistently been a bottom five franchise, which is crazy to say so. Has felt like that. I guess so, but it's just like you, the Giants ownership has been getting a lot of, I think benefit of the doubt for a long time for being good ownership because of what happened

before the last 12 years. But the reality is they have not made a good decision. And personally, I do think it's cleaner when you have a full tear down and the GM and the coach are starting at the same time. But we'll see if you tend to think that they won't do that. Yeah, I don't. And I also am not sure that's true.

And the reason why I would say that is because it's a hard job. And at the beginning, a lot of people are not good at it. It's just, it's really hard. Like, I'll give you another example. The commanders, right? Great off season last year. Everything that Adam Peters did worked, right? I mean, they had the second pick of quarterback.

Now, both of them, you know, Caleb Williams and Jane Daniels are both looking good now, but they had the second pick of quarterback. and every veteran that Adam Peters brought in worked, and they went deep into the playoffs. This year, everything has been bad. The whole, every move, it seems, like, veterans are looking slower. Some of the high-price additions they made have not worked. Like, now, does that mean Adam Peters is bad at his job?

No, it's like, these are hard jobs. These are huge decisions, and people make mistakes. And I think the only way to really get better, unless you just have... a Ferrari that you just get behind the wheel of and you're like ready to roll, you know, which there's a couple of those. They're really hard.

And my sense is considering that he's built a ton of team with a lot of talent and considering he has the experience of making mistakes over the last three years, it feels like they will be better off with Joe Shane as GM than, you know, someone else who does not have this experience because historically there's almost no real. trade GMs. It just doesn't happen. Yeah. And I think, look, if you look at some of the drafts there with them, they've had pretty big swings and misses too. They had Evan Neal was their first draft

pick there. They had Deontze Banks, which is a pretty big miss. Last year's class, which looked really good last year, looks solid, but, you know, Tyler Nubin, Drew, who is it, in the back end? Drew Phillips, you know, they've been okay. Like, not good, but not good. Neighbors, you know, injuries happen, but neighbors doesn't get injured, that's looking like a win. So it's like, it's like, it's like, you know, not everyone can be like, like, the Brown's draft class, they're like all going to be good this year. Like that's, you know, but like they can't all be like that. But anyway, my general argument, not just as it pertains to Joe Shane, is unless it's like

two systems clashing where the guy's a total jerk and a head coach refuses to work with him, which is not the case here. I think they'll be better off having a GM who's been through it, who's put enough talent on the field, and we'll work with the next head coach that he will help hire. That is my general thought. Mike Kafka, and yeah, you mentioned it. I should have, but you know, you're the real newsman.

I should have mentioned it right off the top. Mike Kafka is the interim head coach. They did not fire Shane Bowen, who is their defensive coordinator. And Kafka's gotten a lot of head coaching interviews over the last three or four years. He had his time in Kansas City with Patrick Mahomes. it could be interesting to see what he does because the number one thing

I would think they're looking for out of a head coach is who can maximize Jackson Dart and that's why I do compare it a little bit to the Drake May situation a year ago. I think Drake May physically was more obviously going to be a dude that's my own personal bias. I thought that before the Patriots took him. But Jackson Dart has played to a level

where he looks like a dude as well. So everything should be about maximizing Jackson Dart we'll wrap at least on the Giants just with you think if he has a realistic chance to maybe be the dude Mike Kafka. Yeah, I kind of do. And it's been interesting because like

on one hand he's Brian Dayball's guy. Debel hired him, but he's not only Brian Debel's guy. He's been in a lot of different places. He is a good enough leader. He has you know, sort of done it like the league has done a good job of putting guys in position to lead like he's done the senior bowl, you know,

like coached to the senior bowl. Like, and from what I was told, got pretty good reviews doing it. So like, I think he does have a chance. Now, it'd be a surprise because it almost never happens. But like, he's a well, he's, he's, he's well thought of as a, as a offensive coordinator. He has had head coach interviews. I think in particular in Seattle, he did really well, didn't get it, but did well.

So I do think he has a chance And probably should Before I let you go Since you're here It's been a while by the way If you go back to like the early NFL daily days I mean Rap sheet was on there all the time

But now he's on NFL Network He's always always been on NFL Network He's on Pacifee probably right now I always come on when I'm asked You really do You broke the news that Or at least you were the first one I saw that Joe Burrough is back at practice

this week. Is there anything to, I mean, it's November 10th. They started his activation. That, even if he joins the team and plays at the end of that activation, which I would think is possible, that's earlier than I expected. What can you tell us about Joe Burrow before you go off until wherever the insiders hide during the day? Yeah, pretty cool news, I have to say, for the Cincinnati Bengals. You know, it's, it really, I'm not there. And they're about to go on the practice field in a couple minutes as we're taping this now but you know you talk about a dude like that guy's a dude and for him to be out on the practice field like that is going to give them the kind of balance that you can't manufacture manufacture they have been you know they've won some games

they're not out of it they are i think three and six right isn't that the record three and six yes they're in pittsburg this week if they can you know come out and play well enough maybe win a game or two, God forbid, they go two and one over the next three games. Like, Joe Burrow could be back with a chance to help this team get to the playoffs. Like, it's crazy, but it's not that crazy. And like, I would also say this, three and six, like, it's uphill battle, but you got a chance. I think he would probably be back almost anyway. Like, I just, I don't know that it was ever a decision.

I think it was like, as soon as I can come back, I'm coming back. and that is pretty cool. Yeah, by all accounts, in terms of how they run the offense, maybe even how they're deciding to sign people. I mean, he's kind of the boss, and he should be. I mean, he's the most important person in the organization, and if he wants to play, they're not going to stop. You don't think there's any chance of, like, him playing Sunday, do you?

It's not Sunday. No. I have to look at the schedule. It's the Patriots the week after. The problem is, and it makes the Sunday, Sunday? Yeah, they're all Sundays coming up, and then a Thursday, sorry. on Thanksgiving.

That would be interesting. Wait a minute. Thanksgiving night. I mean, that's how many days, 18 days from now? Yes. Possible. That's crazy.

It kind of breaks my heart, though, that they blew the Jets game and the Bears game because Flacco played so well. And if they had just won one of those two, hell, if they had won both, though, they'd be five and four. And Joe Burrow coming back in a few weeks,

like they could afford to lose because their schedule gets tougher now and it really it bums me out that they could be three and eight but we'll see because you know he comes back again like say they go two and one so let's say they're five and seven sure five and six in that scenario yeah you got a chance but you're also playing the steelers the patriots the ravens the bills the ravens in the next five weeks so they kind of just got through the easy part of their schedule, unfortunately. Now they got some tough ones, but they could take out Pittsburgh. I appreciate you

making the time on a busy day. Ian, you're more than just an insider. You're a man. You're a husband. You're a father. And you're a friend. We've known each other a long time now. I've known each other a long time. We've been through a lot.

Appreciate you. And we will be back tonight, by the way. This is a surprise episodes. We would be back. Join us. YouTube live after. Eagles and Packers, me and Nick Shuck. We will see you then. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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