NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Darkest timeline for NFL teams

Episode Date: March 21, 2016

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal and Chris Wesseling are joined by NFL Media’s Patrick Claybon as they break down the latest news from the NFL, including RGIII visiting the Browns and the NFL’s desire play regular season games internationally. Then, Marc Sessler calls in from Florida before the heroes wrap the show sharing their Darkest timeline for certain teams in the NFL.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hanses. And I am joined by a room filled with heroes. Patrick Claibon. What? Chris Wessling and Greg Rosethol. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan.

Patrick Claibon is the news anchor. And that is the official job title. He's the only one. Yeah, we've got one. I can't believe you guys let me up here. It's great to have you here, Patrick. Claibon, that's, Claibon is the guy, if you're Googling right now. Like, oh, who's Patrick?

He's the guy that's on TV. First of all, don't. Literally, he's on NFL Network, probably more than anyone, right? in terms of percentage of hours of coverage of the NFL to maybe like in terms of like individual snippets right like the but your face is probably on NFL network more than any other face yeah you do the updates at the at the top of the hour here's some breaking news or if some big trade happens you're usually kind of like the guy in the bullpen and it's the reason you have such a great relationship with you know the around the NFL crew you're sitting right next

to them you're just waiting for them to call you up coach big breaking news happens, Claibon's on. Yeah, it's almost like the State of the Union, and if we get something bad happens and like 12 people go down, it's like, oh, man, we've got to get Patrick. We did. This was also a last second edition, you know. Mark is at the NFL annual meeting, and we're going to get Mark on the phone a little bit later.

And literally, this is the latest the guest has ever come to get involved with the show. You guys were walking upstairs, and I was like, hey, well, I noticed Mark's not here. that's a great way to be that's a great idea greasy wheel no is it the wheel that's greasy gets the squeaks it's between grease between grease and squeaks all is evenly applied but welcome patrick it's great to have you on the show today it's nice to have someone you know now dan dan is always very confident he's got the best voice in the room and now he's got some major competition no not at all it's it's dan 100% that's a beautiful voice I'm a little under the weather after a Vegas trip this weekend, which maybe we'll get to a little bit later.

So I'm not operating at peak vocal efficiency. Efficiency. Thank you. Good show today. Or mental efficiency. Yeah, or mental efficiency, as you can tell. Good show today coming up. We are going to hit all the news around the annual meeting right now.

What's going on? You know, free agency, week three of free agency? Or is it over West? Is free agency just kind of over? been over since like the second day yeah it's kind of weird but there are a guy there's still signings going down and you know of course the cappernick thing's still hanging over several teams uh but we're going to get into the news all around the league also uh as i said we're going to give mark sessler the sizzler also known as a quiet storm a phone call he's in boca rotona

this i mean this is just sizzler in in heaven this is mark's this is his peaceful place he's on his own he's getting to be out in the mix uh talking to different gms and coaches he doesn't have to be sitting in his cubicle he's got nothing else to worry about but three of other responsibilities any life responsibilities he can just be an intrepid reporter this is his dream and we'll ask him about that because i think the exact like schematics of today for instance from the moment he wakes up until he goes to bed this is almost a perfect day for mark we'll get into it he'll probably take offense. It'll be fun. We'll also talk about a segment called the darkest timeline where we pick out some scenarios, realistic, plausible potential scenarios around some NFL teams that would have

terrible effects on the franchise in the 2016 season if the scenario came to fruition. So, I mean, that's not the most, you know, happy topic. But we got to look, there will be moves made by teams in this month that will ruin their season. It's just the way it is. The next month, the draft is well. For the next two months, this is where the gravy gets made. I like it. The doom gravy, I call it.

And it's happy in terms of we're looking at, these things could not happen. Yeah, this is the darkest timeline. Maybe you'll have a light timeline. Maybe if we have nothing to talk about, there will be the brightest timeline. Right. But that's not as fun. Nobody likes happy. Right, it was?

Sure. By the way, Wes, very feisty today. I don't know where you got this idea from. I've heard West start arguments with seven people today since you've been in. You've only heard one. I've been in, but I'm always tracking things, yes, many, including me. There was one about the NFL media softball team. Yes.

And that's the only one. I have eyes on talent. I'm the manager of the NFL media softball team. There is a particular woman that works at NFL Media, who won't say her name. Stop now, whatever is going on. That I am of the belief. based on a conversation is very talented and we need her on the team at all cost. Wes says, no, you've never seen her play.

Why would you assume? My whole thing is that since you started this, you are already assuming who's good and who's not and you have no idea by how they move about the newsroom if they're good players or not. I think you should hold off on decisions until you see these people on the field. That's fair. But this is what I'm getting at.

So, you know, we got into an argument about that. Dan, I have 17 years of softball coaching experience. Wow. That's the real thing. he wants the GM job he wants the coaching job it's a coup then Greg you got into oh yeah where did we where did we like multiple things well that's because the biggest story of the day Greg decided it was not a story no I already get to it are we going to add that to the show case key in we putting that in the top should lead

with we'll talk about care on there so and then there's another person that you were feuding with on some level I can't I can't remember anymore this is a feisty west it's it didn't happen it's good it's very good I was still that last one it didn't even happen When I think of it, I will say who it is. So that's the show today. And let's start by going behind the glass now saying hi to the Irishman, Brandon McGuinness. Dan, how are you doing? How was your St. Patrick's Day?

Oh, it was very good. I mean, we taped early, got out of here. Had a nice time. You have a Guinness? Of course. Dan, I got to ask, though, what's the current situation with my roster spot? Oh. Wow.

You know what? It's funny you ask that because, first of all, of course, you can be involved with the tryout process. But we've had enough people, we've had enough people ask that I can't say yes to everyone at this point. Whoa. I didn't take that. I didn't take that as a slight. Any roster request that starts with, first of all.

Well, I mean, we talked about, like, what, a week ago? Yeah. I haven't had an update yet. It's definitely something that's on my mind and it's, I have it written down. Sort of fascinated how he gets tryout process. And this other woman that you were talking about is already like the starting second basement or well you know a challenge accepted so i'll prove it to you dan that's all right sometimes you just as a manager you got to go with your gut you're more like a moneyball guy

and metrics and studying the notebook no i go with my eye i see you have to see it she's got it she's got what it takes a special something uh all right let's do some news florida stanley smiles florida stanley is happy to go to work florida stanley is who you want on your florida team No idea. No idea. Stanley, from the out, come on. It's always the office with me. Now Mark is in Florida, working in Florida.

It has to be happy. Wow. Was that late period office, though? Very late period. Okay, see, I don't even really recognize late period office as something that existed. And that's as a huge American office fan. I understand. And I actually spliced in Mark with my voice, and it didn't sound very well.

So we missed that. See, that's good producer effort, though. Yeah, it just would have failed. So pick up the chisels, get back up on the. the mountain side that's right let's start with the news and uh do you want to talk about case keating let's start it let's make west happy since it's the biggest story of the day debate number one i love that see not only this is why this was such a good debate because not only um did west believe it belonged to the show he thought it was the lead story and gregg was like i don't even know if we

should do we should talk about it i didn't why it just didn't even occur to me i didn't think it was a big deal we're talking about less need on nfl hq this morning said going into o'tease keeneum is their starting quarterback seems self-evident the exact quote here from less need the general manager case is going to come in and be our starting quarterback at the beginning of o'teas he earned it we are we are we were a slumping football team at the end of the last year he comes in and wins three out of four wins and basically drove us down to kick a game winning field goal to win four Street and we missed it. Wes, what do you think that means?

Does that mean he's the weak one starter? Let me explain why this is a big story. So at the season ending press conference, Les Need basically said he's ahead of Nick Fools in the depth chart. He'll enter the offseason as a starter. Any reasonable fan would have gone, okay, surely the Rams are not going to enter the 2016 season with Kay's Keem as their starting quarterback.

They have free agency to go through. They have trades they could possibly do. And he has left breadcrumbs throughout. At the combine, he said, oh, we've got all these studies that tell you how you can go seven and nine without a starting quarterback. He did not say that. That's my-you're adding the seven-and-nine. That's my paraphrasing of what he said at the combine. Imagine a guy pouring stuff at the beaters.

Here's another thing that was said at the NFL Combine a month ago. Case Keenham is our starter. So it's like, okay, he's still the starter. No, what happened since then? Nothing. Re-agency. Right. But we could have, I think any reasonable NFL fan or anybody watching, any Rams fan was like, okay, Mike Glennon's still out there.

Colin Kaepernick still out there, Ryan Fitzpatrick's still out there. Maybe the Rams go and get one of these guys instead of starting a third straight quarterback who was concussed last year because he's too small to play the position. Maybe they will. I mean, I wouldn't say him saying this rules that out. He also said Sam Bradford was their starter going into the last season. And then they traded. I mean, what are your options at this point?

The bigger picture, though, and Patrick, maybe I was curious, so you think about this, no matter what it is, the idea of they are now at this point in time saying that Case Keenames has started, this all seems so silly to me that they're actually talking themselves into this as a possibility. It's Case Keenum! I think they've waited into the first step of acceptance, and now the idea is to explain it to everybody and say, well, yeah, this is, I'm going to rationalize why Case Keenum is our guy,

because he got those QB wins at the end of last year, which are the best way to determine how good somebody is at playing. a position. That's a little bit of a La Raville Magnifico of the general manager, by the way. He should know more than anyone that you can't just hang team wins on a quarterback's performance. But he can. He's not doing it, but he wants at least somebody to say, well, yeah, he's right. Case Keenum wins football games. And so that's an okay thing. Well, they've- Case Keenum is going to be our quarterback. Well, they've looked around and they see what's out there on free agency, and they clearly weren't excited about anyone that was available.

They haven't made any inquiries as far as we know. They're not interested in Ryan Fitzpatrick. They're not interested in RG3. They'd rather have Case Keatom. That doesn't offend me necessarily. So the team that was really excited about Nick Ful's last year is not excited about anyone available this year. Right.

Maybe we should trust their quarterback judgment. Right, we shouldn't. But it doesn't surprise me that Case Keenom's their guy. And we still have the draft to go. By the way, Case Keenom, who could not beat out Nick Fools in training camp last year. But he didn't have a, did he have a chance? They weren't really competing. He was competing.

He was pretty open-minded. If you think he's that good now, why weren't you as open-minded as you should have been last year? Maybe Keehanem is really cool. Like, he's a really good guy. Maybe. And Les doesn't want to go out trashing this guy. And he says, hey, you know, Case Keenum did good things. He's a person.

Some under, and under hashtag wins, he's lost 10 of 15 starts in his career. So you can't really hang that one either. But also a recency bias. But it's trending up. Well, they also, they have the draft coming up. They have Sean Mannion's on the roster. Come on. Mano.

Who knows? Seano the Mono. They got to draft. Maybe they'll drafts. They've literally said three words about that guy since they drafts. I guess part of my point was him saying this this week doesn't mean to me that they're not trading for Mike Glennon. I mean they might be trading for Mike Lennon. Who really does?

Sure. That's fine. Just because they said this doesn't mean they're not going to do that. That's fine. I prefer my theory, which is the Rams come up. They concoct new ways in creative ways. And they should get credit for this. to finish seven and nine every single season in perpetuity.

Well, I think we can all be right on this. They're not mutually exclusive answers. They can be totally clueless and this can be meaningless all in one. As we just proved, well worth talking about them. Indeed. Good convoy, guys. Thank you, Dan. Feisty.

It's so weird, though, because literally Chris Wessling was the biggest fan of Case Keenum in the country. Whoa. A year or two ago. As it has clarified, more like a late season shot in the arm, It was also... We should find some tape, Brand. It was also... It was also...

Go back and find some good ones. In comparison to the human pick six, Matt Schaub, who was the alternative to Case Keenum at the time, he was a lot more fun to watch. I do believe this is two years ago. There might have been some Tony Romo comparisons thrown around at one point. Poor man's Tony Romo, yeah. All right. What kind of poor man? The destitute man.

No collar bones. I'm sad because I wanted the Rams to capture Wes's heart. They're moving to L.A. It's not going to happen. And it just doesn't seem like it's going to happen. It's not going to happen. All right, let's move on. Russell O'Kung, offensive tackle, former first-round pick of the Seahawks,

hit free agency this year looking to make big money, and he's doing it without an agent. So he's looking to save that 3%. The initial agreement that we heard about, he signed with the Broncos a five-year $53 million deal. Sounds pretty good. Yeah. Claybound, right?

Yeah. However, a little digging makes the contract. And very interesting. Okun signed a one, this is what it actually is, a one-year deal worth $5 million, which includes a four-year $48 million team option, a team source told NFL Media Insider Ian Rappaport. Zero guaranteed money. So the Broncos later confirm the deal. So this almost feels like, and I hope it works out for Russell Okun, but it feels like a cautionary tale about why it's good to have an agent, right?

Yeah, I mean, they're going against negotiators. They're going against people whose job it is to negotiate big-time contracts. If you're the person on the Broncos side of the ledger, it's like a professional baseball player going up against some Patsy who plays on the weekend. So it's not a surprise that they're going to be excited. Or Master P. Or Master P. That's like the ultimate bad deal, right?

The Ricky Williams rookie contract under Master P. That said, I think. think people are piling on this a little too much because a lot of it's coming from the agents. They're very self-interested at saying, oh, let's pick on Russell. There's never going to be a shortage of agents willing to expound on how great having an agent is. They're always going to be there.

And there's guys, you know, Ray Allen did it in the NBA for a while that have made it work. But this is just an example of a guy. Part of it is probably a deal he'd like to have back, and part of it is a guy who's betting on himself. Right. He is, and it's a little misleading to say there's no guaranteed money. He has a million dollar workout bonus.

So if he just shows up to his workouts, he's getting paid a million. What if he gets caught in traffic? Yeah, or he got hurt or something. Have you considered that he's had a competitive disadvantage in contract talks? Because as a player, he's not allowed to even talk to these teams during the legal tampering period. Right? Wow, yeah. So he had to wait until it's start, which started everything late.

It's a very similar deal to the one Kelvin Beecham got, which no one's really talking about. He signed a one year $4 million deal They can go to five It's basically the same deal And then the team has the option To pick up four more years The difference is Beach

And basically got his first year Is more or less guaranteed But Okung's a better player And yeah, he would have done better He would have done better if he had an agent I think it's pretty obvious But it's a big signing for Denver We haven't really talked

We hadn't talked about this move at all Just in terms of the signing Ryan Clayty is now out there And probably will get cut or traded and Russell Kung's a big addition for a team that's lost a lot this way. They're overhauling their entire offensive line, it seems.

They signed Donald Stevenson to play right tackle, moved Ty Sambrello for their second round pick last year, I think inside the guard. So it looks like they're going to, I think there'll be a run first team and they're going to pound the ball. A team that was barely holding the line together. Yeah.

Patchwork last year and wound up winning the Super Bowl. Right. It really, the Broncos thing really took care of a lot of cliches about winning the Super Bowl and stuff. Like, you know, it all starts up front. Up front, they were terrible. They were pretty terrible the whole year, and they were on their fourth and fifth string.

And you've got to have a quarterback to win in this league. Their quarterbacks were among the worst quarterbacks in league. Meanwhile, on the throne of ease, the New England Patriots have yet to give up on getting back that draft pick that they lost. The first round pick is part of the deflategate scandal. Bob Kraft said Monday that he sent a letter to the commish. Roger Goodell about a month ago asking for the NFL to overturn the penalties related to last year's deflated football scandal.

Here's the quote from Kraft. I personally wrote a letter to the commissioner responding to his comment that if any new facts came up, he would take them into consideration. I personally believe when the league made their decision, they did not factor in the ideal gas law. They admitted that publicly last year. I keep on hearing ideal gas law. It's one of those things. How can I take this seriously? If you say it over and over again, people will think that it has a point.

The ideal gas law. Hey, Rog, did you think about the ideal gas law? Come on. To this day, the most stunning thing I've seen in the NFL that the Patriots lost a first-round draft pick for throwing a slightly deflated football. Just insane to me that they lost a first-round pick for that. Oh, that's where you were also arguing with Shaq about the Patriots.

They were yelling in the middle of the newsroom with him. Oh, yeah, that's true. See, you're feisty today. I also got into it with Ely. There we go. That's right, over a tweet that went wrong. We're up to four. Okay, come on.

I don't take any of them seriously. They're all just joking around. It's feisty, that's all. I just like that people send letters. I would imagine that a letter to Roger Goodell might get lost or... I think it's handwritten? Yeah, it's probably... There's a wax seal where he's talking about the first round pick.

The Raven deliver it? Yeah. It's just... Hedrick flies to the door. I like that, well, the Patriot... Even if you listen to Kraft talk, he knows they're not going to give him the first round pick. He seems pretty aware of it. I mean, literally at the exact same time as this is happening, the NFL is appealing to overturn the suspension and thinks they're going to win.

So why would they change their mind on the punishment just because of new information that's come out? The NFL thinks they're going to win? I don't know if they think they're going to win, but a lot of people watching it think there's a chance that they'll win. And they're battling to do it. Why would you do it if they don't think they're going to win? I don't know. Wasting money. I also saw some tweets about if he were to reverse this decision,

this would leave the league open to get maybe questioned on somehow on other levels of this a whole mess. So, yeah, I don't think that first round pick's coming back. In other news, the NFL, you know, listen, it's an American sport. Right. But they're looking to make it global. Breaking. You love the globe, right, Greg?

I would love to travel. No, you don't like the rest of the world. I love the world. I love our listeners. I just traveling is not my favorite thing to do. Like, everyone's, oh, I love to get to, you know, Spain this year. Oh, okay. Have you ever spent, like, half a day just looking at a globe?

No, have you? Yeah. What are you, what was your takeaway? Well, I mean, there are countries that are maybe not where you thought they were, or countries you never heard of. To me, I love globes and maps. But do you like traveling? Yes.

Patrick. I wish I had the money to do it more. If I could teleport, I'd be huge. See, I'm with you on that, too. And if I knew every language. Yeah, no, the language barrier is huge. It scares me the language barrier. I rented a car in Costa Rica from some guy named Danny in straight cash.

Otherwise, I would have been completely stranded. That guy was shady. Yeah. Anyway, so the league is returning to Mexico City in 2016, as we already knew. But according to NFL media's Albert Breer, there could be a regular season game in China as early as 2018 and Germany in 2017

that development on China was first reported by Fox but that is let's think it big well they tried to do this a while ago remember the Patriots were going to play in China and then they delayed it and then they canceled it I don't know why the Patriots also had an office in China

which seems bizarre and that has since close that's a little shady little sneaky evil something like that they were going to they thought it was going to get an office in china you think there's any chance the patriots hidden office in china had legitimate business going on in it let's be honest let's be fair they're trying to grow the game something was grow some fans well germany's got the if any uh if anyone got the raw end of NFL Europe closing it was Germany they loved their American football the rind fire and why haven't we been back there I want to go to Germany and China

you're going to Japan next week right that's right worldwide correct but Germany my brother is actually a German citizen wow damn so he could maybe he could come tell us about your relationship with your brother we're close we're good I've never met him no I've met your parents I met your wife your children he's not out here too often but we have a good we have a good relationship you know spent some things over the years but we've always been pretty close

you know and Wes you can speak to it's not easy being brothers i don't know patrick if you have any older uh it's just tough yeah to work through some things it's just it's a lot of work sometimes there's i think there's always that point in any brother and brother relationship and it it all depends on how you go after that point that's a good point that's true for some it's better than the others uh wait are we hinting at the brother podcast coming up later this year coming up check out the brotherly love podcast. In other news, Dorel Revis, under the knife. This is kind of an interesting story, a little wrinkle that I heard after the original post that we wrote Friday. He's sidelined

two to three months by wrist surgery, an injury reportedly that he suffered his way back as week three, played through it, didn't really show up on the injury report, which would say, oh, are the Jets going to get banged on this and have to pay it fine. But apparently, Revis didn't report the wrist injury at the end of season checkout, and the team, the Jets just found out about it last week. So now he goes under the knife and he's expected to be ready by training camp. I don't see it. He's a 10-year veteran. I don't see it as a big deal that he's going to miss the off-season training program, but he's your best, highest paid player.

I'd rather Dorel Rivas not have his wrist cut open by surgical tools. But that's what's going out with Dorel Rivas. Any thoughts anybody? Well, if the Patriots had this sort of news, you'd be playing some sort of silly theme song with aliens invading and things crashing. Basically, the Jets don't have a starting quarterback. We're a couple weeks into free agency. Their best player, which they're paying $17 million to be a B-minus facsimile of what he was,

the last time he was with the team, now is undergoing surgery. Don't forget that their franchise player has a broken leg and may or may not be ready for week one or may or may not be traded. Oh, that's another one. That's good. Do we have any, we're going to come up with some jets crap. Well, maybe not.

You could do whatever you want. Okay. I mean, I'd be totally fine. If you want to work with Brandon towards some type of jets drops, I know you don't like drops. It's called a production element. Yeah, production element.

West doesn't like that name. I'm wide open and, you know, I can deal with it. All right. You can spoon it out and take it, you know, that whole thing. Moving on. Hugh Jackson. the Browns are connected with Robert Griffin the third now.

He visited with the team. Griffin, of course, visited with the Jets a week earlier. Hugh Jackson called it a great meeting, the coach of the Browns. I think he's obviously a tremendous talent and a great young man. I told Steve Weish, our own Steve Weish. I'm going to get into this a little later in our darkest timeline discussion, but I'm just thinking seeing what you guys think is that this is a move that the Brown should seriously consider? They want to be the team that tries to fix Robert Griffin the 3rd?

Yeah, why not? I mean, considering the way things have gone, and like we mentioned the possible darkest timeline implications, but why not? You've gone into with hope that Johnny Manzell will be your starting quarterback. Yeah, but how did that work out? What do you mean? Why not?

The why not would be what is Robert Griffin, you know, Robert Griffin the 3rd's 2014 season would be why not and then him getting benched last season. Well, he got, he got benched, and we can say that those circumstances around his benching aren't really parallel to other benching circumstances in the NFL. What, using a concussion as an excuse to bench a guy, basically? That's how I kind of... What are you saying, Greg? Up the organization.

Well, I'm not saying anything about the organization. I'm saying they wanted to play Kirk Cousins. I don't think that's pretty obvious. Yeah, they didn't want to play RG3. Right. Also, and so those two things... I don't think they could play RG3. He was a broken quarterback.

And so if you're taking a chance, you're going to take a chance on anybody, whether you draft somebody, whether you bring in RG3. But I think there is at least some video evidence that RG3 can be a serviceable quarterback in the National Football League. Playvon's still buying in on RG3. That video I'm intrigued by him. It's a few years old. Yeah, I'm intrigued by him, but he's not physically the same player anymore. Well, who is? Well, I think you could make the argument that he relied on that physical ability

and more than other quarterbacks. And if you diminish that by 15, 20%, then you take away a lot of his game. I'm more worried about this. Look, coaches, I don't think they have some weird agenda with RG3. They're just desperate to keep their jobs. And they did not think RG3 could help them keep their jobs, Mike Shanahan and Jay Grude. No, Mike Shanahan is still mad.

Right. Obviously, at RG3, he has the blood feud going on. Well, RG3 has more reason to be mad at Shanahan than Bunchaus. For sure. You've got Shanahan going on John's radio, AM 430 and Hoboken, to talk about how awful RG3 is. Not to mention putting him on the field with a busted leg. The Browns would have to be very anxious, even if they really were sold on RG3 and liked the idea about just adding this sort of guy as their quarterback again. like this big story that's not necessarily that a real starter in the NFL,

like just getting back on that after the two years of Johnny. In other news, Chris Johnson will remain with the Arizona Cardinals. NFL Media Insider Ian Rappaport reported Thursday that Johnson will return to the cards on a one-year deal worth $3 million. Rappaport also reported Johnson turned down nearly double that amount for another team. The Dolphins were interested in Chris Johnson. The Dolphins are interested in a lot of running backs that aren't signing with the dolphins. At what point should friend of the podcast, Mike Tannenbaum, get worried, Greg,

that they might not get them running back in this mortgage. On one hand, it's embarrassing. I mean, they wanted C.J. Anderson. They didn't get him. They wanted Chris Johnson. They didn't get him. Supposedly Chris Johnson turned down more money from Miami to go play for the Cardinals, which is also embarrassing.

On the other hand, I like Jay Ajay. Like, is J.J.J.A. Like, is J. J. J.A. worse than Lamar Miller? I don't know. Get a Lamar Miller and crack in there somehow. Is he worse than Lamar Miller? I don't know. I thought he looked pretty good.

I don't know why they're... So I guess you need more than just JHA. That's obvious. But I wouldn't be... Of all the things the dolphins could panic about, Dolphins fans, rather, this would not be high on my list. Shocking that the dolphins were chasing a big name again.

Right. I don't know. To me, like, the Cardinals get credit because when no one wanted Chris Johnson, they took a chance on him. They had to recoup his value, and now a team like the Dolphins, which is kind of run backwards, they're going to go get him after the Cardinals recouped his value.

I don't know. To me, if you're smart, get him the year before he recoupes his value, not the year after. Any team that is partly owned by Gloria Stephan or really any member of the Miami Sound Machine, it's just you have to wonder, like, where are they coming from is at the right angle when you're trying to build a championship ball club?

I just like that Chris Johnson supports the, was good at football and video evidence theory that, you know, this guy. Well, he was good last year for five or six weeks, right? And before that, this was a guy whose skills have diminished. We were concerned if he was going to be able to continue. And then it turns out he's pretty good. And then his rookie backup turns out to be the most explosive cat we've seen in a long time. Yeah, that's fair.

Of all the things, like the dolphins seem a little backwards on a lot of things. Another one was something I read over the weekend that they anticipate. Andre Branch will be their starting defensive end. And Cameron Wake, who are they are paying an outrageous amount of money to keep, will be coming off the bench. What? Well, he's 34 years old coming off the way you put it. Well, the fact that they were stuck in a corner and they felt like they had to keep

Wake because of his contract. Nobody puts a step on in the corner. In the end, basically, you watched Olivier Vernon and Derek Shelby leave while you're signing Mario Williams, Andre Branch and paying Cameron Wake a ton of money. It just seems like a weird thing when you take it all as one big group. Could phrase it as Cameron Wake's not a good run defender, so they're going to use him on obvious passing downs, which you would do for a 34-year-old pass run.

Or you could just find a way, or you could just have cut him. Or you could have kept Olivier Vernon. By the way, how obvious. I mean, wow. I mean, they made a decision to keep him for all that money. That's all I'm saying. As a situational pass rusher that, you know, those guys weren't some money, right? Why wouldn't you cut?

I think he's the highest paid player on the team other than Tannhill and Sue. Why wouldn't you cut Cameron Wake and make a bigger effort to resign Olivia Vernon? That's what I'm saying. Or even Derek, Derek Shelby. Keep, you know. By the way, how obvious is it going to be when in about a month or two the dolphins make a way too big big old name brand? Give me that big old name brand.

I want that shiny toy. Finally, some very sad news out of Baltimore Ravens camp. Cornerback, Trey Walker, died Friday from injuries. He sustained in a dirt bike crash in Florida on Thursday night. He was 23 years old. Walker did not play much last season, but he was born in 92, attended Miami Northwestern Senior High School, was teammates with Teddy Bridgewater and Amari Cooper.

but unfortunately he passed away on Friday and very sad day for the Ravens organization. Yeah, really sad. It's one of those stories like if he was a guy that we knew more, it's like then that suddenly would be some huge, it's a much even bigger NFL story, but we didn't know much, but either way, just listening to the people on the team

that interacted with him and Teddy Bridgewater, just like the impact that this kid made on their lives, I still think, I don't know, it always, it's always a bummer. Of course. I think it's stating the obvious, but it's sad. And there's so many times where something like this happens and you get to know somebody, kind of post-mortem, and you find out things like his father passed away right after he was drafted.

He dedicated his rookie season to him, and it's just that family's gone through so much. And at the very least, we get to find out about somebody we might not have, you know, been aware of, unfortunately, coming through his death, though. Yes. All right, so that's it for the news. We want to talk to Mark Sessler about the NFL annual meeting visit there, asking if he's done any jogging there.

But before we do that, let's hit a little eight o'clock sunshine. Speed round, Patrick Clayburn. Eight o'clock, delight. Come on. Wait, kill the music. I want to set it up right. Oh, wow. Eight o'clock delight.

Writing it down so it gets in my head forever. And now let's do it. It's a speed round, Patrick Claibon. 8 o'clock to light. Yes, Rale Revis had surgery. So did Joe Hayden, the Brown's cornerback, recovering from ankle surgery. This is the last thing you want to hear, right? West, no more bad news for the Browns.

They're saying he might not be ready for week one. That's a concern. Oh, my God. Former Jets wide receiver, Jeremy Curley, signed a one-year deal with the Detroit lines. No more Megatron problem, right? Patrick Claibon? No, it's our, we just lose one of the best to ever do it.

So we got Jeremy Curley now. Everything's all good. Curlbaum. James Starks, the running back, took a look around and free agency decided he's going to stick with the Packers. A two-year, $6 million deal, Greg Rosenthal. I feel like James Starks will be the backup running back in Green Bay for the end of time, the rest of eternity. Doesn't seem like a bad gig. No.

Jaguars have hired defensive coaching legend. Monty Kiffin, the godfather of the Tampa, is a 76-year-old man. Is that too old who has to be coaching in the NFL? If you say so. What do you think, Greg? 76, too old? I don't know.

His defenses look pretty old the last time he was in the NFL. Not a lot of success for old Monty. Still got it. That's saying. Still got it, Monty. Now known as Lane's dad. That's sad. We've come full circle.

That's true. Steve Belichick is a guy that's not Bill Belichick. The Patriots have promoted him to safety's coach, his oldest son. Championship. Forget Josh McDaniels. Now we got the succession plan. It goes right to Steve Belichick when Billethechek when Billethex. Everybody should check out Mark Sessler's high octane profile on Steve Belichick from a year or two ago. Just Google that band boy. Steve-o. Yeah. Cesslo in a big spot. Love it. Succession plan. Love it. Donna Ponte. This was an interesting thing. Greg had some hot take downstairs.

Donipante of the Dolphins says there will absolutely be a female GM one day. Greg, you're hitting me at the end of the speed round for this. This is a nuanced conversation. No, you need to get it exactly right in 30 seconds. You say there will be a U.S. president before a female GM in the NFL. That seems obvious because we have a favorite that's a female. But, yeah, I said some of the obstacles, I think, to become female president might be even lower. Then it would be to the female GM.

I thought you were talking about team president. No, I was talking about the U.S. president. All right. The obstacles are the same, I guess, for both. I mean, the NFL, we still got a way to go. It's kind of an old boys club still. That's a tough business. Whoever...

So is America. Whoever, yeah, that's true. Whoever gets... Whoever is the first female GM will have earned it. That's for sure. She'll have to battle through a lot of BS. Let's hear more on women's issues, Greg. How much time do we have about...

Brandon, just a little bit. All right. Tell me about your thoughts on women. I thought the Indian Wells president way out of line. There we go. Nailed it. 8 o'clock delight, complete. Wow, I got bailed out by the music.

Another Miami Dolphins owner that reminds me, you know, Serena and Venus Williams. Both Williams sisters. It's doing a great job in ownership. Fergie. S. Stefan. I don't know if anybody else from the Miami Sun. machine, but it's a real interesting thing that's going on down there, Miami. I don't know as many sound machine members as I should.

Do you know any besides Gloria Stephan? Negative. I don't think Carl Peters on keyboard. Wasn't Gloria. Tony Richie on drums? I don't know. You had me. I don't believe that.

I was eating up. Gloria Stefan's husband was in Miami Sall Machine. I think you're absolutely right. Claybone's going to be the co-host and Dan's gullibility podcast. Absolutely. Coming up later this off season. Two spoons. I ate that.

Only at NFL.com. All right, let's get the quiet storm on the horn. Mark is in Boca Raton for the NFL annual meetings talking to people, writing up copy. Mark, you there, buddy. I am present. How are you? Doesn't that sound like a guy at peace and at ease right now? Is that what I am?

Well, Dan was talking. He posited the theory, and I think there's a lot to it, that this sort of day, this sort of week is Mark Sessler in his element. a sunny locale, some intrepid reporting, you're on your own. Not some cubicle under fluorescent lighting. Might be a couple drinks at night. You know, there's just a little bit of everything to make the sizzler sizzle. I think it's a great event. I mean, all of them I certainly enjoy coming here.

It's very different than the other ones. I think from a job angle, kind of an emerging storyline this week for some of the reporters, is that the league, whether maybe it's just the layout here at the hotel, the league has done a nice job, probably from their angle, of getting the NFL coaches and GM as far away and decentralized from writers as I've ever seen in the four years that I've been here. Well, you've... Yeah.

No, I was just to say you've shared stories in the past of seeing Bill Belichick in his swim trunks and flippers heading towards the pool and the lobby, things like that. you're not seeing you're not as many cameos well they're certainly here i think that's another element to it they're here on vacation with their wives and kids and there is a little bit of that um but i think the one that greg and i went to when we went jogging together and shared such a special time the layout there was was particularly helpful for reporters i think this place that we're in i think it was built in the early 1900s and it is a giant like labyrinthian maze And it takes about, you know, 10 minutes to walk from where we're working to where these guys are sort of flut around.

So it's the same deal. It's you got like Jake Glazer at a chair just holding court with like multiple coaches at the same time. But if you're just a run-of-the-mill beat writer, you have got to hustle. You're going to have to work hard. So there's definitely a caste system among the journalists. There is no question. So who you've been talking to with today? I talked to Jason Light today, the Bucks GM.

nice guy it's let the takeaways there takeaways from him I think he's very optimistic about this team and one one takeaway I'd have is that he seems very into the idea of Dirk Cutter taking over and I he basically you know

having come from Arizona he compared him in many ways to Bruce Arian saying that his time has come a little later than people thought but also from the elements of an offensive mind he just seems to have like great respect for both of those guys and so So along the fact that they resign, they have their backfield in place.

They're just on an offense. They seem to be very encouraged what's happening on offense. Of course, I had three and a half minutes with him, so I did not, like, dig into the deep intertwining of his, like, soul and what's happening. Like him and Adam Schefter are, like, walking through a meadow outside the castle while you're getting three minutes. How many minutes did you have at Nipper's backroom? That place is a horrid. I mean, I mean, I, it's the closest, it is, I basically shared with the West that where they've, you know, we're stationed not here at this hotel, we're a different one. It's certainly a nice hotel, but there's, you know, a limited array of options at night because everything down in Boca Raton essentially seems to close at 10 p.m. And I asked, I didn't want to assume, but I asked the cab driver, is that because a lot of people here are extremely old. And they said, yes, it is. That is a one large, reason behind it. So there's this place kind of close to our hotel up the highway called

Nippers, which apparently is open until 5 a.m. And I came out on Saturday night kind of late, so I thought, let's give this place a shot. It's like the only place with lights on, but it was an absolute debacle. So I was there for about 15 minutes and went back to the hotel room. And there's not been a lot of nightlife elements to report up until now. What's interesting to me, too, though, is like knowing your nightlife habits. You kind of like bars that are a little, you know, off the beaten path that maybe aren't in the best physical shape and nothing too glossy about them. You like a place that's kind of like a hole in the wall.

But nippers, even by that standards, was not acceptable. Yeah, I think in your assessment is 100% correct. I do like those places. But what they have to have is a little bit of mystery, history, a little bit of class to them. Something about them that's a little strange. This had none of that. No intrigue at nippers. No.

It's just like a room with a window and like a bad pool table and a bartender that definitely did not want to be there. So I, you know, not really making my top 100 list of Boca Raton hotspots. There are certain bars. Some would say almost every bar that if you order a cocktail, you don't ask for like the lemon slice or the lime slice. Because, you know, it's not up to code in terms of the cleaning process. Nippers sounds like a place you would never get the fruit in the drink. That is, you've already felt the vibe of this place. I would never drag any of you to this place.

I would never eat there. I would never drink there again. What if it's 4.15 a.m.? Well, you know, Wes, in that case, that's, you know, I hear you come from, that's another option, but it's still very low on the list. Get some water from the sink. What's some other big storylines out there since you've been in Bocor's own? Got the big coach's breakfasts coming up the next two days.

Why is that so early? I think that will help to get really digging with those guys. guys tomorrow. There hasn't really been like an explosive storyline as far as I could see at this point. But it's, it's a matter of like a lot of these new teams where they have new coaches and stuff. I think that you can sort of sense they're starting to hit the ground. They're starting to get like their sea legs under them and feeling good about their teams. This is the time of year where every one of these teams feels extremely optimistic. I mean, even the Browns are walking around that way, you know, Reggie McKenzie. There were like six or seven people trying to get

interviews with him. He's very popular all of a sudden. So, you know, maybe some of these young teams that are starting to get, turn the corner and get some attention. Hey, Mark, it's Patrick Claibon. These guys were walking into the studio. The door didn't close and I ran in and took your chair. I like it. Yeah, man. This is excellent. You got to be proactive. You talked about no explosive storyline. Do you think that helps maybe with like the breakfast setting and getting some guys to open up and actually give you some stuff? That's a good news anchor question. Yeah, I think so, because there's certainly ground to cover with all these people.

I think it's because there has been, you know, limited access up to now. And when you ask, you know, you reach out to the PR guys, you say, can we talk to a coach? All they'll say is, well, if you're going to be at the breakfast, that's your opportunity. So they're trying to hold a lot of the coaches back to then. But a lot of the beat writers and stuff have gotten, I would say big nuggets, you know, the major elements out of, you know, the general managers, because they meet with them kind of privately. it's usually Monday morning. But yeah, there's no doubt because you have a full hour.

And, you know, everyone bum rushes like a Rex Ryan for the first 20 minutes. But with any of these guys, you then have another, you know, 40 minutes to sit down and really, sometimes some of the best stuff happens at the end when they're getting tired of it, and they want to go and they start to get loose with their lips and everything comes out. And so who knows what could happen. Wow. I like that. Now, that felt like a promise, Sessler, that you're going to drop a bomb around 8 a.m.

Eastern time tomorrow. Well, I need to produce something. You've been doing fine, and it's not your fault. There's no rules pop. I mean, the reason we'd normally at this time would be talking about all the different rules that they're going to be debating. But the reality is we can talk about that Wednesday when we get the final words, but they're not very interesting this year.

They're not big rules changes. They're minor tweaks. Once they begged off on making any catch rule changes that kind of remove the intrigue. The press conference today was just explaining the catch. rule again which we've yeah you're absolutely right and i and i've told west for multiple reasons that this would not be the if i were to outline and craft an event for west to be at this would not be it for multiple reasons but number one might be had he been in that press conference when that you know dean blandina was going through game tape and trying to explain why the catch rule still makes some

sort of human sense i think west would have gotten at his chair and started to set people on fire so well yeah i don't think if west putting west is Set people on fire? I think wedgies would have been in minutes. Murder. Escalated quickly. If Wes was in a room with the competition committee as they're explaining the catch rule, I think there's a good chance Wes has not worked in the NFL by the end of that day.

Also, I couldn't possibly understand the catch rule because I'm so dim with it. I have to have it explained to me over and over again. Yeah, that seems to be their take. It's like we're just going to try to make the public realize that it's their fault. They don't comprehend what it catches. It's an interesting take when one of the longest tendered head coaches in the NFL has no idea what a catch is. Finally, Mark, no Greg Rosethal this year. Will you, A, be jogging and B, who would you jog with, or C, could you go solo jogging if necessary?

I will have to go solo. I've been to the, you know, again, I'm in a hotel. I will make it say it softly. It's not next door to this place. So there's no one there that I've ever even heard of. So I'm there by myself, and I've been to the gym a couple times, and, no, not ventured outside yet. It's not really, there haven't been a lot of daylight leisure hours for me to go do that at this point. So, you know, you just go to the hotel gym and you do what you can.

Well, good intrepid reporting, as always, Mark Sessler. You could find out more about Mark's journey at Mark Sessler, NFL, and also on Instagram at. Mark. Well, my name, I believe. Okay. All right, buddy. Enjoy your trip and keep up the good work. All right.

I let Patrick's debut, too. Goodbye, guys. Later. Thanks, man. Everybody's liking it. You get the news anchor in the chair in a big spot. And away we go. I wanted to talk about Vegas, but I don't have time.

Maybe we'll talk about it on our next show. So let's go and get into our final topic of the day. And that is a segment that we like to call the darkest time. now let me explain what the darkest timeline is this is where we are going to each bring us each of us will bring up a plausible scenario involving one of the 32 NFL teams that if it were to come to fruition that team's chances in 2016 would be really significantly dimmed in terms of having any chance to be successful and certainly to compete for a Super Bowl trophy So, now again, this needs to be a scenario that is kind of in the winds right now,

something that could actually play out. So we will start. Why don't I start just to get it going with, and I'll bring, I'll talk about the Jets, because the P scale, yeah, the P scale. It's at seven and a half, though. I'm worried about Ryan Fitzpatrick, and that is the darkest timeline. Ryan Fitzpatrick signs elsewhere. They get behind Gino Smith as the Jets Week 1 starter, which the owner and GM of both not necessarily, you know,

brushed off as something that can't happen. And I think in that case, Geng Green would be doomed to a miserable season, would test my fan. It would be a very hard season to watch. I'm so far out on Gino Smith now. And Mike McHagnin all of a sudden will go from Golden Boy to the guy that blew a season by getting too cute with the quarterback position. That is the Jets' darkest timeline right now. I don't think you went dark enough.

Yeah, that's... You didn't even cover the Mohamed Wilkerson trade. Ooh, get rid of Wilco. What, that... Oh, he's out the door. He's traded in this scenario. Darkest timeline. So they, I kind of, okay, in that case...

He's starring for the Oakland Raiders issue. They make a decision to get younger and try to free up some space. Yep. Yeah, Mo Wilkerson being traded. That's pretty dark, too. Listen, I know how it is with the Jets, too. Sorry, I put you in that place. I'm just looking into Dan's eyes.

He went to a spot there. Looks distraught. Oh, yeah, that is darker. Unbelievable. With the exception of the first two Rex Ryan years, the Jets cannot put together back-to-back quality seasons. So I'm fully ready and prepared if things go back to hell again this season. And yes, if we have no Moe and no Ryan Fitzpatrick,

no hope, the darkest timeline of the New York Jets, Patrick Clayman. I want to say, though, when Mike McAgnon says that Gino Smith had a good offseason for them last year and it wouldn't be the end of the world if he's their starter, I think he's telling the truth. I mean, I was excited. I don't think Gino Smith, if you look at Ryan Fitzpatrick's career and you look at the skills that Gino Smith showed,

even in the minimal amount that he played, I don't think he's a much lesser quarterback or lesser in all there. Wait, but you are incredibly biased. You're the only person in America who still believes in Gino Smith. I'm not the only person. I don't think, I don't even believe in him necessarily.

I just think he can be the 23rd best starter in the league or whatever. And that's about what I would expect Ryan Fitzpatrick to be this. I don't know that Gino ever had the talent around him in New York that Ryan Fitzpatrick did. Of course not. And not to mention Chan Geli, not to mention having Changley around him. First of all, 23rd best quarterback. That's not right. What?

I'm saying for next year. He could also be the 50th third best. I'm not expecting Ryan Fitzpatrick to repeat a season. You know who else is Mike McCagnan? Because if they thought he could repeat it and that he's just a great starter, he'd be signed. Well, that's not necessarily true because what's, complicating this and maybe it hasn't been talked about enough is that the Jets have like no money to spend so they need they almost they feel like they have to play hardball here because they there's

only one of the team in the league that has less cap room than them right now so there it's a couple issues that are all coming together here maybe they're still playing it right but it just it's it could end very dark and uh now patrick clayv well i've i've channeled my mark sessler and i started thinking about the Cleveland Browns and the potential for the darkest timeline with them they've got sashi they've got paul everything is is trending up we're training we're training towards a future and we decide that um rg3 is is not going to be a good option neither will cap and we're going to reach for a familiar face in brian hoyer who will be available oh and in the face of all this change you say we're looking forward to the future everybody you can believe

now Brian Hoyer's back. They're bringing back Cleveland Springsteen. Yeah. And the rocket never gets off the ground. And it just detonates there on the launch pan. Did you guys see the news item that weighs now if you put into their... Google Maps, yeah. What's that?

Wasn't it Google Maps? Google Maps or whatever it is. If you search sadness in their app, like directions to sadness, it takes you directly to the Browns Home Stadium. It's awful. That's unfair unless Brian Hoyer comes back. Yeah, I think you probably have to live in Cleveland for that to work. I don't even know.

But either way, there's this feeling like, oh, let Hugh Jackson fix whoever they get. That's going to work. And yet that feels like Hoyer, there wouldn't even be optimism for that. The only thing I will say about that, and I don't know how plausible that is in the sense that has there been any whispers about Brian Hoyer? It's as dark as it gets there. It's dark. I think what would be even darker was if they did, because they've met with Robert Griffin the third.

Now, if they thought that they would be the team that could fix RG3, re-signed him, and then somehow talked themselves out of taking a quarterback in the first round, then we're talking about an epic dark timeline where RG3 is terrible because he's not the same guy anymore, and then you don't even have a backup plan because you got too, you bought in too hard on RG3's 2012 season. It's a lot of ways. There's a lot of directions to go when it comes to darkness in Cleveland, I guess. For sure.

Chris Wessling, you're up, baby. Get feisty. Well, there's a team here that's being called a Super Bowl contender because of what they'd done in the offseason, and I think it could go the other way. The Houston Texans. Let's talk about a dark timeline. Okay, the team that benched their starting quarterback

three quarters into the 2015 season. Not like in December three quarters, literally three quarters of one football game. Yes. Let's say by halfway through the season, and they come to realize, wait, we basically just signed a more expensive Mike Glennon. Brock Oswald is not the answer. He's the guy who got benched for a broken down Peyton Manning.

This is what we're left with. We're not a Super Bowl contender. In fact, we don't even have a franchise quarterback. We're back to square one. We might have to turn back to Hoyer. And your cap is wrecked because you got, I mean, it could be. You got them on the books for next year, too, at 18 million. And we also found out that several Dolphins coaching staff were right all along.

Lamar Miller, not a foundation back, purely a fast role player. Oh, man. Now we got to play Jonathan Grimes for half the snaps again. Texans getting lanced. Well, that's a thing. You create potentials for dark timelines when you put yourself out there. That's what they did this year. They put themselves out there.

And we talked about that at the time of the Brock move, that if this does not work out, it could be a historically terrible contract that could set the team back multiple years. I mean, that's how much is riding on this move. And everyone's, you know, would lose their job in the building. It would be an absolute mess. That's dark, Wes. It gets darker.

Darker. There's two offensive linemen they introduced before Brock Osweller at the press conference. One, the Chiefs didn't want, Jeff Allen, didn't even want him anymore. The second one, Bergstrom, your boy, Bergo? Berg's. Never been a starter in the NFL before. Their offensive line, they've got Dwayne Brown, one of the best left tackles in the league coming back from major injury. Offensive line is a sieve.

Lamar Miller gets tackled in the backfield every time. It's darker. And then halfway through the season, J.J. Watts stops playing when he realizes he makes less money than Brock Osweller. Ooh. Just quits. Wow. He doesn't have any quit in him, though. Okay.

Yeah. He works harder than anybody. Nobody works hard. That last one wasn't that plausible, Greg. But it was funny. Oh, that's right. It's not supposed to be. It was funny.

All right. Finally, the boss. Well, this is the darkest timeline for many people, NFL fans around the country, the National Broadcasting Corporation, Al Michaels, Denver Broncos fans and the Denver Broncos in general, that Mark Sanchez is the starting quarterback week one of the NFL kickoff game. And I think this is quite plausible since he's number one on their depth chart right now. In this scenario, the 49ers, they hold on to Colin Kaepernick. In this scenario, the Broncos aren't able to really move up in the draft or make anything great.

They end up taking Christian Hackenberg or Dak Prescott in the third or fourth round, but that guy's maybe late second round. That guy's not starting week one. Blasible. Look at who else is out there in free agency. No one that necessarily would start over Mark Sanchez. And there you are, all excited. We got our ring and Mark Sanchez is our week one starter.

Eat that America. Why do you hate America? Well, I'm saying that's not good for America. I love that. I love that first game. That reminds me of the year they put the Dolphins against the Steelers in week one for the kickoff. Ooh, it's Ronnie Brown's sophomore year. Let's put that as a first game.

You want a big fat fireworks to start the season, not Sanchez. It gets darker, too. I think we brought it up on the show previously. But because of all the drama with Brock, we could get a Brock Osweiler, who it's already plausible. as him being terrible. Brock versus Sanchez for Al Chris in the world. 9-7 Texans win on the road.

And then their season crumbles after that. Sure. But at least we can talk about Brock being mad, right? That's the one thing that people would hang on that game. Yeah, we can have a whole week of questions to Brock. You're starting to sound like Damashik. How mad were you? No, I think that's an awful idea.

I know. I'm just saying this will be more about Shaq. What happened? It's always about the storyline and the narrative. It's never actually about what goes on on the field. I like having Claibon could be our designated kind of narrative puncture, hole puncher. That's kind of what you like to do in the things. You hear some BS, you call it out, you poke a hole in it.

Yeah, and you get called a contrarian for it. But I'm like, wait, I'm not smart enough to think of other stuff that I don't actually think. You just call them BS. You're more just inquisitive. You like to get to the bottom of it. I like to ask, but why? And it's like, but why would we want to watch Marksend? And one thing, if you're interested in Claibon's opinions on stuff,

you should go on Twitter because he is one of the more prolific tweeters in the game, I think, right now. Thanks, man. It's a stream of consciousness. Well, prolific isn't necessarily a compliment. It just means you tweet a lot. Travis Henry was prolific. You are good, too, but. Claybond tweets so much that he tweeted seconds before he got married earlier this month.

What was the exact tweet? It was BRB getting married. Yeah, as he was walking up to the altar. So that's what, and you know what? That might not sound like, oh, maybe this guy tweets too much. No, but it's a nice, it's a good Twitter account. I say at Patrick Claibon, you should follow him. Thanks, man.

I met my wife on Twitter, so she's cool. Really? Yeah. Wow. So you owe a lot to the. I do. On its 10th birthday today, I believe it. Yeah, happy birthday.

Twitter.com. Patrick Claibon, at Patrick Claibon, news anchor for NFL Network. and now part of the history of the Around the NFL podcast. Thanks, God. And hopefully the future. I hope so. Greg, what do you think? You're the boss.

Absolutely. I just carved out a whole role for him. That's true. That's pretty true. The MythBuster? Yeah. All right. So that's it for Monday's edition of the Around the NFL podcast.

Mark will not be with us at all this week. Is that? He will be back for Thursday's show. But we can, if the timing works, we can maybe give them a call on Wednesday to wrap up the meetings as well. We'll be back in L.A. for Thursday. All right, good. Yeah, so we'll be back on Wednesday.

But until then, this is Dan Hansa signing off for the anchor, the mailman, the boss, and the Irishman behind the glass. Until Wednesday. Look at it's on TV It's on TV right now. That's magic. It's magic. Oh, nice.

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