NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Davante Adams Trade Request and Quarterback Island Returns!

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Colleen Wolfe, Steve Wyche, and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic for the return of QB Island. Listen to find out who makes it onto QB Island and who gets cast off when the crew talks Matthew Stafford (04:20), Brock Purdy (09:42), Patrick Mahomes (11:44), Derek Carr (16:19), Jordan Love (18:20), Baker Mayfeild (22:54), Sam Darnold (26:11), Geno Smith (30:44), Jalen Hurts (35:50), Jayden Daniels (38:30), Justin Herbert (48:40) and more! Plus, Davante Adam has requested a trade from the Raiders (52:29) and a preview of the Thursday Night Football matchup between the Buccaneers and Falcons (01:02:09). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I ain't right back. Let's go. This is quarterback Island. It is quarterback Island. Feel it. Welcome to NFL Daily, where it's always island time. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesleying podcast studio. So lucky to be joined for this special quarterback island edition of NFL Daily by Steve Weish,

an original voter of quarterback island. Jordan Roderig of The Athletic and Colleen Wolfe, whose tension I can feel from here. Hey, I feel super not stressed today. but I was just thinking that Wes would absolutely love this segment, especially just from the Tybee Island of it all. Yes, yes. This is so perfect.

I'm excited about it. It is. And Colleen's asking for what are the rules? And it's like being on island time. I'm stressed out. It's more of a state of mind. But for the listeners that missed the show that we did in the middle of August, we did vote on 12 quarterbacks who would be the original members of quarterback island.

In my mind, they are the 12 quarterbacks who define the position when you vote for them. And today we're going to decide who stays and who goes. The timing is everything, too, as Greg and I have gone back and forth on the last several weeks, four-game sample size right now. But, Colleen, you should know that you can attach meaning to different quarterbacks based on reputation, based on situation that they're in. Quarterback Island is not just a wonderful place.

a legitimate geographic location but also an idea of what to strive for as a quarterback. All right, yeah, because I'm sitting there and I'm like, well, is this based on their performance through the first four weeks of this season? Is this based on just who they are as a quarterback up and to this point, the carryover from before? Is this like, but then that gives me,

it's a different list for every type of category. I'm going to be fine. Fly free, Colleen. Quarterback Island, just picture, just picture of body water. A quarterback island is next to Revis Island, right? Okay. It's bigger.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So I think the first thing we should do is introduce who are on the island. The original members.

And yes. Let's bring in their names. Patrick Mahomes. Josh Allen. Joe Burrow. This is in no order. Jack Prescott. Jared Goff.

Brock Purdy. Jalen Hertz. Matthew Stafford, Lamar Jackson, C.J. Stroud, Jordan Love, and Tua, Tung of Ilova. And I thought one way to start, because what I want to do here, you know, we're four weeks into the season, and it is kind of balancing, like, okay, what they've looked like, what we think is their fault, what's not their fault, is I'm going to throw out seven guys right off the top

that I think should just stay on the island. We'll just start there. Okay. I don't know if there's going to be a lot of debate about these guys or either way. But we can talk about these guys either way because they deserve to be talking about. So here are my seven guys. You can vote at the end. Tell me basically at the end of these guys.

Like if you disagree that they should stay on the island. Okay. Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, C.J. Stroud, Brock Purdy, and Matthew Stafford. those seven to me should stay on the island and I was thinking there wasn't going to be a lot of debate about these seven but I'm already seeing a head shaking over there Matthew Stafford he's got two touchdown passes

he's got as many touchdown passes as Jacoby Brescent okay let's talk about it he's still on the island Jordan this is one of the reasons why I wrote him on my on list because I just felt like Jordan covers this man closely he's already separating himself from And respect him a lot was like, of course we're keeping Matthew Stafford on the island. Yeah. You're making a face.

And some of the, some of the analytics aren't great for him, PFF, which is not analytics, it's more of a grading of play to play. I was shocked. They had him like 25th, 26th. If you look at turnover worthy plays, big time throws, I'm, I was kind of shocked. He had like a three to five ratio of he hasn't had that many big time throws. I mean, to me, he has. The tape says he has.

I know. That's where, where, that's why. I'm saying, none of this is perfect. You can go by a bunch of different metrics. You can go by the eye test. To my eye test, he is still playing at a very high level. I use the same logic that I used to say yes to Brock Purdy being on the island, just invert the inversion of it, which is I'm not going to punish a player who's playing

at a high level for what is going on around him. That's what one of my questions was, especially for Stafford. I'm not going to do that. Some people, and I won't say who, but some people might punish people for. Why are you getting after me? The guy on your left there, Wyshe is the one trying to take him up. I got my list of on, guys.

I just said Stafford is on. So I will say, like, if you watch his film, now this last game, the loss in Chicago, that got a little tricky. There was a couple of big time drives from him. That throw to DeMarcus Robinson, the middle of the field is one of them. But this situation with Matthew Stafford,

I think he's playing, especially in consideration of what's happening around him. He is playing at an extremely high level in consideration of, missing Cooper Cup, missing Pooka Nakua, having no timing with these guys who are now thrust into the one and two spot, which is a completely different role than they were playing as the three and four. I mean, the sour puss look on Steve White's face right now, I got to hear it.

He's playing with a rookie center and a left guard who couldn't even make the team for the first two years after being a third round pick. And there's been so much reshuffling and different game planning. The one constant of this team has been Matthew Stafford's play. and again, difficult day against a great past defense in Chicago, should have run the ball more. But they absolutely, like absolutely

three of the four games, first four games this season, Matthew Stafford has played at a extremely high level and particularly in consideration of all of the chaos that's going on around. And I agree with all that. I agree with all that.

I know you have. But he's played competitively. He's played well. He's coming to the fight with a butter knife. I'm just saying, there's other people who have played better regardless of their circumstance. Right, because if we're not going to punish people

for being in good circumstances, we maybe can't give too much credit. I would posit there are very few circumstances this bad that have started out this bad. In week one and week two, that's when they start losing all of their line and all of their receivers. Like, this started out terribly immediately.

So I'm not even comparing the disasters here. I'm more saying this quarterback is lifting this offense as much as he can. It feels like, you know, his stay on the island could be coming to an end if things continue in this direction. It's like he's got a really bad sunburn on the island. I'm just looking at someone you're going to put off. Okay. I know.

You must have a huge list. You're saying, Dak. I'm just saying, no. Those are just guys, these were supposed to be guys that we didn't need like a long discussion about whether they're on or off. And I love, that's the one thing about quarterback island. You never know what controversies are going to pop up that we, we jumped right into it. with Stafford, but you may make a point. And what if, I mean, if we got really crazy

and things are a little dark there in L.A. right now, I mean, what if he got kicked off Ram's Island? Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying, Colleen, I think you bring up a really good point in that it is like, I think he's on the island in four games from now, he might not be. And we're looking at this four games at a time. Whitech is getting in front of this.

I'll bring him back. You never know. I'll bring him back. Okay, he could come back if we need to kick someone off here but let's do an early vote. Everyone hold up. If you're watching on YouTube, we do have placards

that are very tropical, but I want you to say your vote. I vote that yes, Stafford stays on the island. I think he's on, but he's on short notice here. This is on turned upside down. So you have enough.

They're going to send him out for cigarettes in a minute. We have voted you, Steve. He's on. Before we move on, just from these guys, because look, this is more than half of QB Island. I think they deserve to be talked about. Colleen, like Mahomes, Purdy, Stroud, Burrow, Lamar, any one of these guys, Josh Allen,

like any one of these guys kind of stuck out to you this year as someone you've enjoyed watching, doing something surprising, I don't know, you want to give some love to? I mean, if we're going to talk about a quarterback who I've enjoyed watching and who has been surprising, but I don't think he's, it's so hard to say that he's already earned a spot on quarterback island, but Jaden Daniels has been... Hold that. Hold that. Hold that. Hold that one. Hold that. Hold that. I'm talking about from this

group of guys. I just wanted to give like Purdy some love, for instance. I was about to say, what about his circumstance? If we talk about Stafford, Purdy's got to be on there for the same reason and the same logic, right? Yeah, I agree. I agree. And also... He's on it. He's on the list. I was reading, you know, digging a little bit deeper into the stats on

this because he has been... Shut up. Because we have been... We have been discussing Brock Purdy in this context, especially, oh, what's he going to do when he doesn't have McCaffrey, when he doesn't have, he didn't have Kittle for a game. You know, what's he going to do without Debo? It's interesting.

So he has a league high 1130 passing yards this season. Just 26.4% of those yards have come from after the catch. So that's the lowest rate of any qualifying quarterback in a season in the next gen stats there. So remember the conversation about Purdy was get the ball to his playmakers and let them create the yards for him, sort of stat padding, that kind of a thing. That was a big argument that that year. But now he's creating those yards himself to a limited cast that includes

Brandon Ayuk who's not, who's dropping the ball all the time. Right. I think he is playing the best football of his career. I think he's playing top five football. I would agree. In terms of how he's playing this year, he'd be ahead of a handful of guys that are already locked in.

Mahomes being one, which is crazy to say almost everyone. like he still tops in yards per attempt by like half a yard, which is like, okay, the 49ers offense still getting it. But just the eye test, you mentioned the, like his air yards for this season, he has a couple hundred more than anyone else in the league. And you can just see it. He's extending plays.

He's throwing the ball deep. I think he's gone to another level. So just, just shout out to Brock. Brock's got an umbrella on the island. Yeah, it's wild. Like guys, a little dackery, you know? I think one thing. One thing I think people that were a little bit of a Brock doubters,

like myself, when he was first coming on the scene, is like forgetting how young he is that he can develop and continue to improve just like highly touted players like Joe Burrow can, and C.J. Stroud love watching him play. Mahomes, I just wanted to kind of bring up as part of this exercise. So we all just agreed that he went on.

But, like, he's not playing that well. I thought he had his best game on Sunday, so that helped, like, solidify. I don't think he would have been at risk going off the island. He's managed games very well. but like is Patrick Mahomes playing that well? I think you can take a little bit of the situation out and say like I've seen him in bad situations before

and even to that standard, I don't know if he's playing like that well. Am I crazy? No, I mean, I think that it's Mahomes, I mean, Lamar and even Burrow with the carryover for me. That's like those guys have to stay on the island because of their body of work. But obviously Mahomes has not been the same type of player this year

and it's affecting everyone. We did see Kelsey get a little bit more involved this week, which was good. But now with Rishi Rice going down, like they're really going to have to rely on Xavier Worthy going forward. And I just, they're already having issues now as it is. You have to rely on Kareem Hunt. Right. It was nice to see him go down the field a little bit.

That was actually the longest touchdown pass he had had in a long time in terms of area. He just wasn't doing that before. No. I just want to give some stats. Just to put in context, 22nd in completion percentage over expected. This is Patrick Gahombs, 12th in EPA, 11th in success rate, 13th at PFF. I just wanted to get a broad spectrum that six touchdowns, five interceptions, 17th in QBR.

So if this was someone else, just looking at the statistical profile, he would kind of be on the borderline. Yeah, that's the beauty of quarterback island, though, because we kind of do grandfather certain players in because that's, they deserve that. Well, also with our eyes, he isn't, we know he's better. I have a, you guys tell me if I'm crazy and listen first before you do that. Like there's a, I have this weird theory that I've sort of been marinating on about what's going on with the Chiefs offense right now. Because there, obviously, there's a lot of new receivers and a lot of new players. And they're trying to figure out how to play their best football that they can, understanding they're probably going down the stretch yet again. My theory, you're seeing some of the underneath stuff.

You're seeing them try different things with different receivers and just different dropback footwork and combinations. things like that. I think they're kind of in the middle of onboarding these guys. Yeah. To where you're getting them adjusted with specifically Mahm. You don't need any more reps with Kelsey.

Like you understand what that's going to look like when the time comes for him to really turn the gas on. I think they look at September as trying out stuff. Yeah. So that's really what I, that's my theory of what I think is, and obviously you don't want to lose a receiver

during that time and we'll see if they make a move here. But I think it's really, that's sort of my suspicion. Like Andy reads in the lab, but like in public in front of everybody right now. I like that one. I think that's true. Yeah, and their O-line play hasn't been great just like last year.

I mean, last year they were getting 27 penalties a game. They clean that up. I mean, so they'll figure it out, but just not having some of these receiving weapons is going to be an issue. Yeah, I think Belichick defensively would use the first part of the season to try a lot of different things and see who stuck. And now Andy Reid, he's always done that. He did that in Philadelphia.

I remember back on, when I worked at pro football talk, I would say this guy's beat, like, he's like an offensive revolutionary. And everyone hated Andy Reid back. Ben just because he couldn't get over the hump. Now he's finally one of the greatest coaches of all the time. Okay. So we've got our seven guys on. Again, Josh Allen, Mahomes, Lamar, Borough, Stroud, Stafford, Pertie.

They're on. I'm just going to quickly, I just want to mention some guys I don't think are going to be brought up for nomination today. Just to, like, give the context of the whole quarterback position. We're not going to go through each team. But Kirk Cousins, it's not going so well in Atlanta. Not going to be talked about it. I fought for him, so.

Yeah, he was on the borderline lesson. I just want to throw out that if you did a. blind taste test. There was no name on the back of the jersey. And you could say that Andy Dalton's two games would have been four games and you just watch that quality of quarterback. I think he's someone we would talk about. I would agree. Not a big enough sample side. Which is like excited. You know I love Darnold and Daltz. It's very exciting to me that like now all this time later and here we are in the Chris Wesleying podcast. What if Andy Dalton maybe this is the year that he's above the Dalton scale that he's above. It's only

two games. I don't want to get carried away. Trevor Lawrence, we didn't even really give consideration. He's one of them, you know, at the bottom of the list here right now. Caleb Williams, I'm going to take the L on pushing for him to be initially on the quarterback island. I got outvoted. Thank you. Good. Good job, guys.

Anthony Richardson, obviously struggling Deshaun Watson, one of the worst quarterbacks in Lake. All right. Hold up. Hold up. What about Derek Carr? Okay. I maybe was going to get him drowning last. Yes. I was even going to maybe give him drowning last guy. Give Derek Carr the respect of maybe we'll even bring him up even though we kind of know. But no, I think you're right. I texted Kurt Warner about this because I was like, all right, who would you put on the island?

And the criteria was performance through the first four weeks. And Carr made the list. Okay. Which that was the most surprising to me out of all. I mean, numbers, the numbers are crazy because they're still. They're kind of bloated by the first two weeks. And I actually think he's played better than people gave him credit for the last week. He's just been back to being like a good version of Derek Carr instead of crazy good.

I think was the drop was so dramatic. I went through true media filters and I put Weeks 1 to 2 EPA per dropback and weeks three to four and extrapolated them from each other. And he drops from up at the top, you know, in the top three in two, to number 16 through 3 and 4. That's such a significant swing for me that I just couldn't, I couldn't vote them on. Still not too far from the 12, though. No, it's not. And I test-wise, I actually think he's playing well. Still gets a little panicked against pressure.

So does Jared Gough, a guy we're going to talk about. But for the most part, even the last two weeks where they've lost, I think he's played well enough to win. They needed a touchdown drive at the end of last week's game. They got one. Is he the new? Dalton scale. He might be.

We'll see what happens this season. All right. It feels like a good fit. Let's get to the juicy stuff here before we take a break. I want to bring up. Oh, you haven't yet? Geez. I'm just saying, now we're really talking about who's going on, who's going off.

Let's just kick some guys off to start. I think we can take an immediate vote on Tua Tua Vaila Vaila, unfortunately. So it's unfair to him, but do we all, do we all, yeah. Yeah. Not much needs to be said. Okay, so Tua is off. Hope he's doing good. I'm going to nominate Jordan Love to be kicked off no matter what happens.

I agree with you. Let's talk about him first. I think there's just too small of a sample size so far through this year. But so I agree with you on that. I mean, I don't want, I want, obviously the three interceptions last week, they were bad. And I'm just looking at the one game. But he did play really well against a Brian Flores defense, which no one else has been able to do yet. The sample size is pretty small.

But the comeback on Sunday was furious in the quarter. So if you could just extrapolate that fourth quarter, Over all four quarters, it would be different, but it's tough. I kind of want to keep him on the island, though. But like, as he defined the quarterback position, my reason for taking him off more than anything is I think the two games he's played has been pretty erratic. I mean, there were weird games. The field in Brazil was weird.

And then this game was weird. He's coming off an injury. He didn't look totally 100%. But the accuracy was kind of all over the place. So even just judging on those two games, to me, that's not quarterback island material and then he he's not my homes he doesn't have the the history either so okay is it fair though to judge him on one complete game like one game that part of the jordan rules he can he can get it off jordan rules here i'm i'm i'm introduced

jordan said if you've got an injury is that kind of somewhere yeah jordan is it is kind of like uh you know it is kind of like one of those actors who also have exactly executive producer credit like she's jeff props now like she's cashed so many different checks here She came up with the rules. And yeah, I think the injury and just a little erratic. Guys have played better than him for the time he's been out there. So are we all in agreement to vote now? I think it's unfair.

Okay. Colleen's voting. Yes. I like that. I think she knows she was outvoted. It was a safe, yes. I understand how this is going to sound, but I'm holding on for love to make it in the next four game. I think, yeah. I think that's absolutely fair. Jordan Love could return. He's going to prove me right. He can see me after week eight.

All right. After we get him at Stafford. All right. We are going to take a quick break here. Seven guys are on the island. Two have been voted off. Okay. And, you know, we're not inhumane here.

They're going on a nice little sea cruise together. Some of them. Heading back to the mainland, Tua and Jordan Love. When we come back, we will talk about who is coming on to the island. Some of the toughest discussions of who might get booted off. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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That is the absolute pinnacle of the profession Forget the Hall of Fame Forget Lambo Winning Super Bowls You just want to be in that group Because it's more attainable frankly I mean these poor guys Josh Allen Strouds

It's like Mahomes doesn't let him win any Super Bowls But you can get on quarterback Island Like an overwater bungalow would be Like that's what everyone is trying to A nice sort of Bora Bora Bora move? Exactly. I like that.

Like who's like the sneaky MVP just in terms of vibes on the island, do you think? Oh, Mahomes, for sure. He brings the beer, too. Hmm. I could see that. I feel like Josh Allen is kind of like. Josh Allen's in charge of the board game. Yeah.

Yeah. But Holmes, no offense to the Baham's super fun. I was going to say like, Mahomes would be low on my list of like. You guys are completely missing it. Who? Joey Burrow. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

You're right. Come on. Joe Shistey? Yeah. I was thinking that's a good one. Burrow and Lamar would be a vibe. Lamar for sure. They'd be fun.

They'd all be trying to impress Lamar just by being cool and stuff. All right. Let's go to guys we want to nominate onto the island. To go on the island. I think so. Unless we want to talk about,

unless anyone wants to talk about guys that we definitely want to boot off. I think all of these guys moving forward is going to be contingent. Right now we have two open spots. So I think if we, first thing we have, can do is put two guys onto the island.

Like, there are two open spots. So I will leave the floor to who it's like Congress. He's just, whoever jumps in and wants to nominate. All right. That's how Congress works, right? Yeah, it is. So I'm sure of it, right? It's just like Judge Connie.

It all works the same way. I nominate Baker Mayfield. Whoa. I love it. I love it. Thank you. I love it. Baker Mayfield.

who is constantly doubted, is constantly kind of one of those guys where people almost forget about him when they're talking about quarterback play. He has been unbelievable this year. And he absolutely deserves a spot on quarterback island. When you look at the other guys that are on here that are like Jalen Hertz,

I mean, Baker Mayfield 1,000% has been better than Hertz. So he's on. Eight touchdowns, two interceptions. He's got 106.9 pass rating that puts him in the top five, Plus, his team is leading the division. I think, hey, Baker gets serious. I think the, I think the propeller boat is pushing towards the island.

Okay. Sometimes early in these discussions, you want to put everyone on the island, but we just have a lot of other players to get through. Can I state the obvious one? Sam Darnold. Okay, well, let's get through the Baker thing first. She put them up for nomination. All right.

So if we want to table the vote for Baker until later, we can. I think the negatives would be he played one of the worst games I've seen. any quarterback play in week three. Annie's Baker Mayfield. And so we've seen the ups and the downs. Hold up. He's had more ups than downs.

In his career, there's been ups, there's been downs. You hit him with Andy's Baker Mayfield. What I mean to say is that if you're going to get a spot on the island and you've had a career that's been up and down and you have limitations

as a quarterback, I need you to be red hot. I need you to be closer to what Sam Darnold is. I need you to not have that week three blemish, kind of dragging down, some of the numbers and some of my... He's second in the league in passing touchdowns. Isn't that a good metric if you're measuring

quarterbacks passing touchdowns? It's okay. I mean, I definitely prefer others. He just misses the island in terms of EPA per dropback at 13. Okay. However, however, like, I got to tell you guys, when this guy wills a win, it's hard to find people who will a team,

the way that when he goes into like darkness mode his brain. It does remind me, I mean, they're not the same at all. It reminds me of a Staffordy kind of goes full on, like, serial killer, like I'm going to scratch and claw and fight my way and steal souls for this win. But Baker does it in this way

that's like, I'm going to put my body on the line for it also. So it's, you know, I can understand why he has been nominated for quarterback island because I've not seen that's just that extra special little it factor for a competitor. But that, that game,

was also one of the I mean that was I also am using my gut my eye test and yeah I just think I think he has he has limitations where he's close he's on the list but to to put him right on so let's let's table him until we get to see I'll just say that he is the FedEx Air player of the week so he could be taking that plane to the island I love that for him but yeah to your point 17th in completion percentage over expected he's around 10th 11th like an even and stuff and but I think they're doing a good job coaching around him and not they're playing with his limit I think he just has some limitations where I want to get to some guys who maybe have have fewer limitations okay so let's put the slam dunk of Sam Darnold okay if we're talking to Sam Darnold I am a full freaking yes yeah I mean come on damn Darnold I mean come on look at Rosie what are you you're talking about limitation let us hear I well I wanted to find out how how many how many spots are open first of all like we don't know for for now only two spots are open would he be that in my top two of guys to put onto the island that are available

no he wouldn't i have a question what are you putting anyone on the island let's frame it let's frame it this is gregg island this deserted island nobody wants to be there it's just like playing like mitsky and he doesn't think you know ball Julian Baker. Okay, Greg. Just like a Gino highlight reel on repeat. Not even Gino wants to be there. That's why he's fighting so hard. Gino's like, this is weird, bro.

I'm a little uncomfortable. Uh-huh. Greg, let's reframe it though. Okay. The argument, like, okay, would you rather put either DAC or Jalen Hertz over this first four game stretch over Sam Darno? Because we're actually looking at now taking spots at this point. We're not just looking at, which I know that's where Steve and I are coming from.

And, you know, we're not just looking at taking spots now. We're looking, or open spots now. We're looking at who will this person potentially replace? Because we're almost full. Well. And who, who are taking off, we're taking off Tua and love. And we're going to go through the guys.

And maybe we'll do that of who else could possibly be booed. I think Darnold is a nuanced conversation. I think his history matters to me more. And is he sort of defining the quarterback position this year? That's where he wins me over a little bit, whereas I think he's one of these stories. of the year, one of the teams of the year. Do I trust that he's going to be on in four weeks? I don't necessarily. I don't think it's crazy to look at what he's done and think

that he's playing really well and the situation has helped him out a lot. And on a throw-to-throw basis, it hasn't necessarily been like special. He's fumbled four times that's second in the league. I think that's significant. He has three interceptions. Like if you project those over a course of a season. That's a lot of fumbles. That's a lot of interceptions, which has been an issue for him over the years. He's great in all the efficiency stats. So he would be on the island easily with most of the efficiency stats. But I think I look at it a little more sometimes like PFF does, which is

like a grade on a play-to-play basis, like how many pluses, how many minuses? They have them 16th at quarterback. So it's not me saying that or 13th in terms of passing. And that's probably where I would have him that he's probably playing around 10 to 13, the numbers and the story help, but the history hurts. And that's why to me, he's sort of on the borderline as I want to see how many guys get kicked off and guys get on. I get it, but you're talking about projections. That means you're saying, okay, but Justin Herbert by the end of the season, he should be on. Like, you're looking, if you're talking about

projections, I mean, you could throw two on back on there. No. I'm saying even so far, I would not have them in my top, like, eight quarterbacks or something. He'd be It doesn't have to be in the top eight. Right. The quarterback island is 12. But then see, when you're getting into the netherworld, I do consider like, how good do I think these players actually are and how are they playing? All right.

All right. So we do a Sam Darnold vote because I, you know where I am on Sam Darno. I vote no. I vote yes. He's on the island. He wants to keep a spot open for Gino so bad. Donald is on the island. I definitively don't think that you can describe the first four games of quarterback play in the

24 NFL season without bringing up Sam Darnold in the top three sentences you use to describe quarterback play in 2024 specifically, which is what this topic is about. Yeah. I see even then. She stood on business. It's ended right there. It's ended right there. I'm standing on tiny table island. I don't know. I would say that it's a team story and you can separate things that the offensive line, the running game and the defense. All more. That's it. I went I said he's somewhere in that mix. I was open-minded. I assumed he would get on initially,

but I wanted to see who gets kicked off. So Darnold is on the island. Maybe we should talk about the guys that are going off, actually. This is why I was stressed out about this exercise. I need an organization. Who else? There's still one more open spot, right? We've kicked off too.

So Sam takes one of those. So who do you think she'd get the next one? Geno. Exactly. Okay. Yep. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah. We're good.

No, I want to have like a long conversation. Oh, God. It was really cool. The Gino Island is of where you go to do that. It was cool. Just watching him in that offense, what stood out to you in the Monday night performance and sort of how he fits in that Ryan Grubb?

About Gino? Yeah. Oh, besides the 300 texts I sent you about it. I was like, I'm watching this game. I'm so happy and this must be what you feel like all the time, Greg. What is that like? Yeah, I think he fits so well in this system because you can clearly see how much to do Ryan Grub is giving him.

He has so much autonomy. responsibility. Basically, I love a collaboration like this between an OC and a quarterback because the OC basically sets the table, lays out the steak knife and the tiny salad fork and two different cups and one plate and three bowls and says, all right, man, we got the spacing down. I've got the spacing. Now you do what you want with everything else. And you choose how you're going to run the motions. You get, I mean, unfortunately, he's got to get the line set every dang play, which is like not, should not be happening. And the line has been atrocious. But somehow he is rising past all of that.

And this dude is spinning. He really is. He really, really is. Yeah. It's just pretty. I mean, I'm looking around the NFL and I'm seeing quick game, quick game, quick game. I have seen every throw of his going 20 yards somewhere on the field from the numbers to inside the hash. He is drilling it.

And you saw last night, I mean, he is navigating through a bunch of garbage in the pocket. And he is still making these stick throws. So he is playing at a. Were you rooting against them on Monday night? Because we clearly felt that Goff and Gino were showing out because they knew quarterback Island was taping after that this week. And they wanted to impress. Were you rooting against or for Gino?

Because I know you're rooting for Darnold in a way because you don't really like me. And then you have to, were you rooting against you? I'm always rooting for Gino Smith. I feel like, yeah, I like to see him succeed. But I was rooting against him last night because I picked the lions. but Kenneth Walker, I feel like he was just like the guy that they could not stop him. He just kept coming back.

They stopped doing the first half. And if they hadn't turned the ball, like DK. McCaff, they didn't turned it over early like that. Who knows, I mean, their script, they could have stayed on their A plus script. Like, who knows what could have happened near the end of that game. That was an electric game.

Gino Smith had already solidified, though, to me, even from the jump. Which is why you got to look past QB rating. He has four touchdowns, four interceptions this season. Like, that can be such a misconduct. leading stat. If you've watched them every week, that Miami game, I thought he played awesome. So he's on. He's number one in this stat, which is

called on target rate, just throws over 10 yard. 95% of his throws. He drives. On target. The league average is 75. Reminds me a lot of one of my favorites, Philip Rivers. I mean, he throws it prettier than Philip Rivers, but just how he navigates the pocket. He stays calm. The ball just gets in the intermediate.

Philip, Philb was the man first three quarters. Don't get it. Okay. So we've put two guys on the island. Gino and Sam Donald, what a season that they're on the island 2024. Okay, let's talk about maybe some guys that could also get kicked off and some guys we didn't talk about.

There's only a few left out over. Stafford is on the island. For now. There's three players that are I guess in the maybe category that are on the island, but we should talk about. Jared Goff was flirting with getting booted before last night.

It was last night's performance, was Monday night's performance, enough to keep where Jared Goff is at. What do you think, Cully? Was he on Kurt Warner's list? You know what? I believe he was. He was.

And Gino was on his list, too. Okay, good. He knows ball. Uh-huh. Now, now he finally, it's certified. It's official. He's the Hall of Fame. He's joining Greg on Gina Island.

That was a joke. It was a joke. It was a joke. Okay. So, coming after you now. Do we all vote yes on Jared Gough staying on quarterback island?

I want to back this up with a number two because I did the same extrapolation Weeks 1 and 2 versus 3 and 4. Because I thought he started to play. You could start to see him play better. Weeks 3 and 4, EPA per drop pack was actually at number 3. And he didn't really even throw the ball that much.

It was perfect, but he didn't throw the ball that much to dramatically skew up. His average right now is EPA per dropback is at number 9. That system. So, you know, I think that's significant that he jumped that high despite a small sample size in,

even though it was perfect, a small sample size on Monday night. And he didn't have Frank Ragnall out there either. Got a touchdown? Exactly. And these weren't all short throws either. So, yeah,

you have it, you throw a perfect game on Monday night football and you were already on the island. Like that, those first three weeks would have had to have been total disaster. Against that secondary. Yeah.

And they weren't, they weren't that bad the first three weeks. Little panicked under pressure sometimes, but, uh, the Seahawks were missing a lot of their guys. Yeah. Yeah, we are. Five.

Four starters. And then Julian. Julian love the safety got hurt. Let's have the Jalen Hertz Convo. Your dude. Weird season. It just continues. It never got any better from the end of last year.

The only upside is Sequin Barclay. If they didn't sign him, I don't know where they would be. But Jalen Hertz, they just can't move the ball. On Sunday, the Eagles had zero yards of offense until six minutes in the second quarter. Zero. And then the turnovers. they just keep happening. He has 27 turnovers over his past 20 starts dating back to last season.

So you could say, all right, there's a disconnect. Right. You could say that there is some type of disconnect between there obviously is a disconnect between the players and the coaching staff, maybe between Jalen Hertz and Kellyn Moore. But a lot of these issues were happening before Kellyn Moore got there. So I don't know what is going on. and how they can fix it,

but he's got to get off the island. If AJ Brown comes back, they can. Right. I mean, they're missing. I mean, that would help.

Lane John's four weeks. Yeah. It's confusing. Like, they are, he is so emblematic of that team. Maybe you take on the personality of your leaders and, and Hertz and Siriani are a little all over the place.

Because I swear if you just have watched every snap, he's done a lot of good things this year. He's made a lot of plays out of nothing. He's made a lot of clutch drive. for lack of a better word. I know that game against Tampa was, you know, pretty rough. That week two game, he was in general, but he wasn't like their problem.

Like, their defense has been a total, like, trash can for three out of four games. And he's done some good things, but then you have to grade the turnovers. And, like, the big, like, the turnover worthy plays, I think he has the second most in the league to Will Levis. And it's been a little all over the place where you don't know what to think. And he's not, he's not in that borough or, Baham's tier where I'm going to forgive it completely. Yeah, Will Levis is on quarterback

Saturn right now. Oh, poor Will. Oh, bless his heart. Yeah, I think Jalen's on the raft with Wilson. The dingy came, picked them up. Bill Barnwell had one of my favorite tweets of the year. He said, why does Will Levis always look like an actor who's playing quarterback in the movie?

Ooh. Like, but it's not like... That's a pretty good one. No, I mean, it's not even, I don't think, an insult, but when he's on the side, like, he just... He's expressive. He feels like. It wasn't like taking a huge shot, but, yeah, I guess he was kind of playing like an actor, too. I am going to vote no on Jalen Hertz. You go on. I'm going to vote no on Jalen Hertz.

He's gone. And the reason I'm doing that, because I like to do a one-to-one thing here, you mentioned your guy from the commanders before Jaden Daniels. You want to officially nominate him. Oh, my gosh. Jayden Daniels. Are you kidding me? 82.1 completion percentage, 897 passing yards.

Three touchdowns, obviously. That's not that much. he's also running scores in as well. He's looked fantastic. I mean, and all of his runs, I feel like so many of his runs go for first downs too. So he's making good decisions. He's making good reads.

He just doesn't look like a rookie quarterback at all. And I know Cliff Kingsbury is putting him in a great position, but it feels like Cliff Kingsbury is doing things a little different than he had done in Arizona. 1,000% with Kyler Murray. And this just. works. This marriage is so perfect. I'm loving Jaden Daniels. Yeah, I like it. You mentioned it the other day on the preview show, Greg, about what they're doing with the offensive line and how structurally it just looks so much more sound than we thought it was going to look around Jaden Daniels. We were worried about

the offensive line coming in. We were worried about the skill players. We were worried about some of the structure of the run game. All of it is, it's not, it's not overshadowing him by any way. It is supporting him in the best and purest way possible where they have layers to this offense and he can compete at every single one of these layers within this offense and I think I think he's brilliant. He is a joy to

watch. I think this is we're having Anthony Lynn as the run game coordinator really helps, right? So this helps some of the run protections because you know Cliff he loves having screaming free runners coming at his quarterback even on that beautiful touchdown pass to Scary Terry. That was a clean blitz off the corner

but he saw it coming. But he saw it coming And speaking to a coach on that staff there, he will tell you, he's like, look, in practice, we tried to trick him in training camp. We ran double three techniques, right? So they played their defensive tackles wide. He said, he saw it, saw two inside linebackers, he moved a running back out to make the linebacker follow the running back. So now the middle of the field is wide open, and he calls a quarterback draw. He's like, the fact that a rookie quarterback saw this two or three weeks into training camp, recognized everything. So that's all the football.

He's played collegiately. he's been coached well. Dan Quinn told me he's got that 24-hour key fob. He can get to the building whatever he wants to study and do all that stuff that he wants to do. So I don't think to the people in that building, this is really coming as a surprise. But to me, I'm ready to give him a gold jacket

because he has a commander's at three and one. At three and first place, even for a minute with that organization has been through. I mean, he is the man of the moment. It's why I think we're going to be unanimous. We're all voting yes. Jaden Daniels. Welcome to the island.

First ever rookie on quarterback island. Wow. It's an honor. You got to bring the beers, I guess. I don't know what they do on quarter. They're bringing them to him. Yeah, he gets served. I thought it was really interesting.

I read Terry McLaren was talking about how Jaden Daniels is this like calming, confident force in the building. And I guess they had missed each other on a connection week one. And that Jaden Daniels is. kept coming over to Terry McLaren throughout the week. And he was like, just be patient.

I'm coming to you. I'm coming back to you. And was like almost like talking him down. Like everything's going to be fine. Don't worry. And it's like that doesn't feel like a rookie quarterback move. He just seems like he's a wise sage quarterback in a rookie's body. Once his teammates started understanding like how he operates, it's been really fun reading

some of the reports out of there because he just would like experiment with things and try things. And I mentioned it a couple weeks ago. He was like, what does this lover do? Oh, that's fun. I got hit. But hey, we're all having, like, I feel joy, you know, all these things. And it just, he's just like this brightness. And once they realize kind of that's, oh, he's not actually making mistakes because he's making mistakes innocently. Like, he's making mistakes on purpose to try to figure out what works and what doesn't. And he's doing it with this personality and this joy. And then you're seeing, that was all summer. And you're seeing what translates out of that. His team is with him 100%. And they, and they,

They're for him, and they can collaborate and do those things on the sideline like that because they had that experience already and they really learned who he is. Like, no one saw this coming. They are one of the best offenses in NFL history through one month. Like, for the first month of play, they are one of the best offenses we've ever seen. Now, I do think it's fair to point out he was unanimous. The only reason I was even pushing on Darnold before is like I just wanted to make sure that we get guys like Jane Daniels on, which were definitely ahead on my list. and net once we got through it and hurts, this makes sense. But I do think it's important to point out

they've had an incredibly easy schedule in terms of the defenses that they face. And so the numbers will go, I think, from stratospheric to, okay, let's see against some better defenses. I'm excited to see that. But here's why I don't think, I'm sorry, there's going to be just the significant crash. No, I don't think so.

He's not one of these rookie quarterbacks. He's got to always play in the shotgun. Right? He's not one of these guys. They line them up under center, in the pistol, in the gun, set. So he's got a pretty good breadth of how to play the position from a lot of different ways, which is going to make it tough to develop whatever you want to call

the film on him, so to speak, because I think he's just got a lot of operational tools. Okay, we haven't talked about Dak Prescott at all. I think if we're going to talk about Dak, if you want to kick him off the island, you've got to propose someone to put on. Justin Fields to me, you know, it's not quite quarterback island material, but is playing outstanding. So just giving him a little love. Does anyone have someone they want on the island over DAC? Any DAC thoughts here? Oh, that's a tough one. I mean, I'm really strong on Baker, but Dak would be real tough. He is not the Cowboys problem. No, I wouldn't put Baker on for Jack.

Aaron Rogers, I think going into week four, this might have been a different conversation because I think he's played. We waited to four games. Yeah. But even then, like, it really is stuck in our head. When I went back and watched that game, I actually did not think Aaron Rogers played nearly as bad as I would have expected. I think he was a veteran quarterback like Stafford in a very difficult situation.

If you had to, if I had to say, like, who's played better this year, Stafford for instance, or Rogers. I would go Stafford, but it's actually pretty close. I think Rogers is playing good football. And so Rogers playing good football, not being on quarterback island. Like, that's a tough decision. He's very on the borderline for me. Okay. I've got one for you then. Since we're trying to play, who's, are either those guys playing as well as Kyle Murray? They're one and three, but Kyler. I have a hard time with Kyler because I got to watch in person, probably one of the best games he's ever played. And it was absolutely outstanding. I mean, he looked, I was like, make him president of quarterback island at this

point. It was outstanding. But I just, I have a hard time. He's, you know, I think the defense is obviously dragging him down. I'm, like I said, I'm not punishing players for not being able to overcome certain, like, catastrophic surrounding that defense looks, uh, bad to, to put it politely. but I was ready to like, as you guys know, I was ready to crown this Arizona offense as like the future, right? And it's just not coming together in a cohesive way. Been the run game more than the passing game? I expected him to be more part of the running game.

He's run well, but not a ton. I thought he was going to be more involved on a weekly basis, not just in that, you know, that game against the Rams. I thought he's going to be more involved in a weekly basis in the run plan. He's not. I think he's holding the ball a little bit sometimes. It's just, it's a, It's a straight, the receiver trust doesn't quite seem to be.

I think for a valid reason, some streaky, a little bit of streaky play, including from the top guy on that team. So I just think that it's, I didn't know what to do with him. I didn't know what to do with him, but I wasn't willing to swap him out over some players who I think have played consistently unbelievable ball. He's sort of just on the, on the ferry that might be leaving for the island, but. He's hanging out with Rogers where, yeah, he's just like right there. That would be a weird, talking about.

That would be a weird duo. They're both a little laughing. Kyler's like, hey, man, did you see what I shot in that game there? Yeah, little video games. I don't think Rogers is a gamer. The numbers are better than maybe the last two games I test would say. Like Murray 9th in EPA per dropback, sixth in completion percentage over expected. I think he'd look good through two weeks.

He certainly would have had a strong case. He's held the ball quite a bit the last couple weeks. I don't think he's played awful, but that game, again, a pretty bad commander's defense. That sunk his chances. So, wow. Maybe Doc's safe. We're not putting car on.

No one nominated Rogers. Wow. Rogers would add different vibes to the... Yeah, that game last week. I think he's had one vintage Aaron Rogers game so far and hasn't quite looked fully himself in the other thing. I would agree with that. And yet he's, yeah.

Based on the other guys ahead of him. Okay. That's fair. Because he's like above the Dalton line as we're mixing different podcasts. different ways of valuing quarterback. I think throughout he's been a big time asset to their team. The second half of the Titans game,

he was fantastic. It wasn't like the complete game. And so it's actually kind of hard for me to leave him off because I feel like he could get better over the course of the season. Oh, you were quick to leave him off the first time. I know, but now I thought against it. What is this reverse memory?

Well, having here. It's like someone put the MIB. You can change your opinions based on new information. I appreciate good football. I think he's playing. playing pretty good. But I wouldn't put him on either over Dak.

I would probably put him on over Darnold. But, you know, that's what I mean. That's what I mean. The first four games of the season? No, it's close. I mean, it's a total. That's a total. How about Justin Herbert never came up?

He's healthy now. He's playing. I mean, he's sort of healthy. He's so tough and he's so competitive. And this is one where I think you really have to factor in circumstance. Besides the injury, he has got nobody to go downfield. I feel bad for him because he is. such a gamer. I mean, I love watching him play

and right now he just has nothing. They're not, in terms of in the past game, they're easy to defend just in terms of teams, though they don't have anyone who's going to go down field on them. Yeah, he's thrown for fewer than 200 yards in all four games. He never had back-to-back games like that in his career and this is, like, he just, he doesn't look like the same quarterback because of the system that he's in and because of like the skill position players around him. He looks so much better than the numbers. And the numbers, like, touch,

how to interception looks good, five to one. But you look at QBR. Every week I go to, you know, hate watch QBR and see if Watson's on the bottom. Yep, dead last in the NFL. And, but then I always notice Herbert's like barely above him, like five spots above them. Wait a second.

There's something called hate watch. I like hearing about your hobbies, Greg. I'm totally joking. I just am saying that because I happen to notice that it's Watson here at the bottom. What else are you hate watching? Sometimes you'll watch like a movie that's so bad. it's good.

It's not really hate. No. Your text. I mean, our listeners of NFL daily, you guys hate watch teams. I mean, it's, yeah. It's kind of like, uh, I, Bomani Jones, who has a great podcast. He, he said, like, he gave up, like, rooting for some of his college football teams, but he still roots against all the old ones.

Like, it's fun to hate on certain teams. It's fun to root, root against teams. Um, I, I, colleagues are Philly. She's got a long list. Yes. I know. start naming every team in the league it's us against them

nobody likes us I thought things were going downhill with Justin Herbert it's like week two week three and the local columnist there at the athletic Daniel Popper is already having to write stories that say who will protect Justin Herbert from himself I mean that's a sign of a bad

bad way right now so I think we've done it I think we've decided who has made it is funny the one that we've just not mentioned at all. Well, who else did we need to mention? We don't need to mention anyone.

I'm just saying it's funny. It's subconsciously the people, I know you, Greg, the subconsciously the people you've just completely left off. Well, that they weren't in contention. Like, we talked to Carr, who was close enough, but not close at all. I think we hit every name at least quickly that had a chance. There were no other nominations. And yeah, let's go through it again.

Okay. The members of quarterback island after. four weeks of the NFL season. DAC is still on. I wasn't sure. I thought someone was going to make a case against DAC. I wasn't sure. No, he's, no.

Jared Goff is on. Matthew Stafford is on. Brock Purdy is on. Josh Allen is on. Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, C.J. Stroud. Patrick Mahomes. We've added three new members to quarterback island.

Gino Smith, Jaden Daniels, and Sam Darnold are on quarterback island. See, that wasn't it hurt him? He was like, do gritted teeth. We never got back to your guy, Baker. Ooh, I want him on. Baker.

I want him on. Another time. You have a chance. Four weeks. It's a game of skill. Quarterback Island. If you play well enough, we recognize you. Let's take a quick break.

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Ian Rappaport and Mike Garifolo. The news comes on the same day that Antonio Pierce was noted to like a social media post is Antonio Pierce's account. Could be traded. Oh, this is so messy.

It's probably what else saying too. It is. crazy to have a coach liking comments like that. I'm sure he was hacked, guys. It doesn't matter now because it's just out there. This thing is moving quickly. Yes. It would seem if all the insiders are reporting that he wants to be traded.

ESPN, Adam Schaefter, already throwing out some possible terms, a conditional second and maybe escalating quickly. Something else. Consider it. Right, which I think we've been around long. enough that if that's being thrown out there, what they're trying to negotiate through the media, they already have something maybe not quite as good in their pocket and seeing if they can do better, Steve, what do you think? Well, unless somebody with the Jets is saying, we'll give

him a conditional second, because you know, that's going to be the speculation now for him to get back with Aaron Rogers. And frankly, if you're the Jets right now with your season the way it is, you do it. Yeah, yeah. This is a last ditch season for the Jets. So you go out there and you do it. That's unless a team, I'm going to give you a couple teams that I think should probably make a move like this. I think the Atlanta Falcons should go ahead and make a move like this. They need that type of receiver

and that type of veteran on this roster to go ahead and add something to this. I think they want to get him out of the AFC if possible. But I mean, this is situation where I think the Falcons and the Jets

should go ahead and say, let's play ball. Because, you know, no one needs it more than the chief. They're not going to trade him. Kansas City. A second round pick is not a crazy. I mean, Muhammad Sunu got traded for a second round pick in a similar situation to the Patriots. Devante Adams looked great in week two, plays week three, finishes the game, doesn't play week four, and then this all pops out. He was on Kay Adams' show on Fandul and said, you know, that he didn't know about the N20. It just seems like this is a, all systems are firing. And

it doesn't seem like it's just from Adams. It seems like it's maybe from both sides. Don't forget now, the like came sometime between business decisions and him not playing as well, right? Remember, you cannot forget that. I'm not saying that Antonio Pierce was including him and the business decisions, but things are kind of nuclear. The connecting of the dots here.

We need a detective Weish segment. We do. Weish just out here sleuth and around. I'm so fired. This is something, though, that was talked about in the summer. like this is not anything new that teams were approaching the Raiders and trying to propose trades

for Devante Adams and the Raiders supposedly turn them away and so now they're in this situation where Devante Adams is clearly unhappy and they need to figure it out. Yeah and every team calls on every big player like this I mean it's but this was serious to your point, Colleen, to the point

where one of those teams was like leaking that that they were doing in order to sort of stoke the fire oh is there something going on there, something that you have to address before the first day of the season begins in a press conference, are there different things? Like, just continuing to rekindle, rekindle, rekindle, rekindle, it would not surprise me if this has been going on and this conversation has been happening with the front office and the coaching staff for several weeks now. And getting out in front of it would be to say, oh,

I'd prefer to be traded. Maybe even longer, too. We know how. Getting out in front of it from a coach might be saying the guy's making business. Well, you know, and also, I don't think Gardner mentioned, coming to quarterback island. No. Oh, we didn't even mention him. Let me ask you this, Jordan. Just got a curiosity. Are the Rams confident enough in Cooper Cup and Pooka and Kua's health

not to get involved in making a move like this? I don't put anything past the Rams in terms of making splash moves, especially maximizing what could be a final year before Stafford comes back to the negotiation table. I also wouldn't put it past them blowing everything up

if it continued to go south. However, like this is one of those things where you can't actually seriously say as a team that you are depending on the health of a receiver that hasn't made it through a full season in the last three years, as well as a receiver who's a bright and blossoming star, but whose situation is going to be more significant time than initially thought in training camp. Pukina Kua, your time. And so I would not put it past them to make the call. Now, they're going to be on that hinge, though, of either you go all in in that direction, which they did in 2022. They tried for

Christian McCaffrey in the last effort to save their season. And they didn't. But I'm specifically talking about like a horrible start in 2022. And they tried to go all in for Christian McCaffrey trying to compete with Kyle Shanahan to get the job done. And then all of a sudden

their season completely imploded and they could not. Right. They were in the mix for Brian Burns. That didn't happen. Let's go. I now think Devani Adams is never playing another snap again for the rating. I don't think so. This coming out, the way has, this thing could move quickly. And unlike some of these trade situations where it takes forever, like, this is Devante Adams. This is a future Hall of Famer. The season is already

started. People will want to get him into his building. The contract is an interesting part of it. He's not making much money this year. So actually, contractually, it's kind of a bargain. It saves the Raiders some money. It's not painful for them either. Next year, he's due $35.6 million. Then the year after that 36.6. So that's probably going to require some sort of renegotiation. Maybe not. I'm curious, like, how much control he has in this

process. We saw how much control Brandon IUC had in that process. It is important, but this might just be a rental, and I'm looking at, like, teams with cap space. First of all, would the 49ers ever think about it? Like, sending Debo away and Raiders get someone. Bring him home. That's something.

From Palo Alto. The Browns have a wide receiver who's playing terribly. They have a ton of cap space. They're always in on these sort of things. He ain't the only one playing terribly. He's not, right. He's not going to want to go there. But if, if he doesn't have much decision making, I could see the Browns in on it, the Patriots and the Steelers who were in on Iyuk, you would think would be teams that would be in on Devante Adams. That's logical. Like the lions. Oh my God. That's not a crazy. And I'm going through the top to bottom of cap space team. The lions have a ton of cap space. And

they could certainly use another wide receiver. So that's what I'm saying, I think this is going to... I think this is going to go somewhat quickly and I think they'll do better than a conditional second. Am I crazy? I don't know. Am I crazy? Like a solid second?

I mean, no one's giving up a one. What I'm saying is... Oh, no. We would never give up a first round draft pick that we miss on 50% of the time for a future Hall of Famer who we know is going to help our team this year. Oh, no, God. Detroit is not giving up a first one.

No, I get at some teams when I'm just the like the mind hive. Like, but we'll give up an extra first. to trade up to go draft Marcus Davenport or lobby or whatever. Like people give up extra first all the time when you get. Saints land. Like the Saints could be in the mix. They could certainly near the wide receiver. Like go for so many teams. This is fun. Hook up Derek and Devonty. Uh-huh. Exactly.

All I'm saying is when it comes out clearly through a player's camp that he would prefer to be traded that automatically tells teams on the outside, come get me for cheaper than you would have had to before. Yeah. What I was going to say before is that he's been unhappy for a while in Vegas and he was very unhappy when Derek Carr left. So that makes total sense for him to end up maybe reuniting with him in New Orleans.

Now the Saints, they can pull off some salary cap voodoo like no other team, but they only have $2.7 million of space right now. They are going to be in cap health for eternity. He always figured out. So is it really hell? I don't know. By the way,

it just clicked for me to your Rams question for me. you know who the backup in Los Angeles is. Oh, the hospital thrower. Awkward hallway. Jimmy Garapolo and Devonthe. Oh, no. Just avoid eye contact walking down the hallway. This is great.

Thank you to Devante Adams. I've wanted the NFL to become more like the NBA with trades. And this is what we need. A nice in-season trade. And even the Raiders are into it. Vinny Bontignory, who covers the team locally for their big paper there in Las Vegas, the review journal said that the Raiders are

also open to it in a source with knowledge of the situation. He doesn't say the Raiders, but the source of the club has been reaching out to teams. That's very specific wording. That wording reaching out to teams that the Raiders are reaching out. They're in on it too. Let's go.

This is the NIA dude. Opting out of out of well and also he can be part of the Super Bowl race for some team. That's like a fun value add. Lots of trade them to the pants. All right. Let's talk about one of the teams you said he would make some sense for. The Atlanta Falcons. It is time for our TNF preview presented by Prime Video. Fun game, Bucks and Falcons, both coming off big wins. I think the Falcons have done a really nice job managing the season. I talk about this a lot. You're not going to be your full team right away. Sometimes you've got some issues. They've got issues. Kirk Cousins can't move. They don't really have a great pass rush. But here they are at two and two wins against pretty good teams. They have a really hard schedule initially.

If you look at the back half, it's one of the easiest schedules in the league. Here's a home game in the division. A big game for both of these teams. Atlanta can kind of be buried by Tampa here. If you're down two games in the division and you had lost at home, that's a pretty decent lead for Tampa in the NFC South, Colleen. Yeah, I would expect the bucks to obviously pressure Kirk Cousins here. ton in this game the same way that they did to Jalen Hertz and the Eagles.

They stacked Hertz five times in that game. They generated their highest pressure rate too in a game in almost three years. So this was like an unbelievable amount of heat that they were throwing at him. Obviously we know Kirk Cousins operates much better when he's not under pressure as most quarterbacks do. But I love the fact that Falcons, yeah, but Falcons head coach Rahim Morris worked right alongside with Buck's offensive coordinator, Liam Cohen, with the Rams. And they went against each other in practice. So they know each other. They know each other's tendencies. And I'm really

excited to see that kind of chess match come out. Ah, the lost year. Yeah. Yeah. That didn't go well. Yeah. It was why Liam was there for a year. It is going to be interesting because like kind of what we talked about when we were talking about quarterback island is this is a real opportunity for Baker Mayfield to will some things to happen. against, you know, a defense that's finding itself, but the secondary has been really solid for the Falcons. And I think that especially catching some people by surprise a little bit. So I do think that this is a good matchup in terms of that multi-layered,

multi-dimensional, Liam Cohen, 11 personnel and Chris Godwin is Cooper Cup now and like all of these things, offense and really seeing how particularly some of the really savvy leaders and emerging stars in that Falcon's secondary handle it. Right. They have got three big-time veteran star players in the same secondary. Jesse Bates, AJ Terrell, when he's playing right, and Justin Simmons is playing well, and they've gotten good production out of the other guys.

So you're right, that's the strength. And it's a tough matchup against a really good receiver group. I think Evans is getting better each week. I think there was maybe some injury stuff they weren't talking about. Chris Godwin is now their number one receiver by production. He looks like Chris Godwin from five years ago. He's having a great contract. year right now. He has about 100 yards

more than Evans. He's making those plays after the catch. They're moving them inside and out of the slot, but a lot in the slot where I think he's at his best. And they were just picking the Eagles apart. They finally got their running game going last week after a pretty rough first three weeks

of the season, a little better. And it was a really good game playing by Liam Cohen. Just like get the ball out to these guys. They can make plays after the catch and Evans in the red zone. And it's a lot to deal with. I think the bucks have been a little steadier as a team overall than the fact. turn apart the Eagle secondary. That doesn't happen. It's been years. It's been years of this.

Look, I love it. Speaking of the Falcons defense, Jesse Bates might be the defensive player of the year right now, at least in the contention, the way that he's played. Justin Simmons finally seems to be getting comfortable. I mean, they really looked good as a tandem last week. We know A.J. Terrell, he started out shaky. He's looking really good. It's well on the secondary. I like that matchup. I just want to see if Atlanta's offense can deal with this defense. defense because the bucks are bringing smoke. Kyle Pitts didn't have a catch

last week. He could be someone who could be a blitz breaker, right? If you get the ball to him, that way, you know, cousins and Drake London have got something working. Bejan. Bejan. Remember that, Colleen? Bajon. Bajon. Bajon. You know, he's something they've got going. I think this is going to be a tough dust up, so

to speak. I mean, I think this is going to be a really, really good game. Even a little bit short-handed, Todd Bowles just has that juice still. Always. You know, he'll find, he'll, like, go and find someone in the stands and literally pick them up and throw them at the quarterback as an extra rusher. Like, he is sending this heat, these extra pressures. Kirk Cousins has struggled against that so far this season.

Just 48.5% of his pass is third lowest in the NFL against the Blitz. This is a concern. Look, the Falcons running game has not been very good this year. And that's... Because teams are loading up to stop it. They're going to make Kirk Cousins beat them. Okay. I mean, it got better last week. Tyler Algier, it was the dude,

man. It's an interesting moment. I was just like watching this. I'm like, oh, Alger gives them some juice. Like, suddenly it started working in a different way with Alger, and they ran with it, and Bejan is obviously incredible and is better on passing down, certainly. But it's a tough combination, and you think, like, Todd Bowles,

he's always going to have a great run defense. Like, that's the one thing you know about him. A lot of the best run defenses in history were coached by Todd Bowles, including with the Jets. This one stinks. Everyone's running on them every week. So it's a math. Vita Vian being back.

That'll help a ton. And he helped them on the goal line last week. Although even in that game, like, you know, Sequin just didn't have many touches. Not that that wasn't frustrating at all. All right, let's pick this game. Tough one. I am so excited.

I want everyone listening this deep into the show, quarterback island, to join me and Gerald McCoy live on YouTube after this game. I'm very excited. I don't really know Gerald that well, but I came and I introduced myself to him. He had been very nice. He had been part of,

broadcast boot camp. So we met a little bit, but I'm really excited that he's going to be talking about. Better wear your best jacket. Yeah. Well, I'll be a good dresser. Okay. That's a good man. Yeah, don't, don't wear this. More like a cool. Whoa. I'm just kidding. Oh, my God. No, I'm just kidding. This is a new purchase that I'll never. No, this is a good shirt. Greg, it's a good shirt. Greg, it's a good shirt. I went too far. I thought like we're not, we decided we're not going island theme. We don't, they didn't have any island stuff. I had a big purge this year. I thought this was I'll be at home. And so will Gerald. And so he'll probably wear something cool, but like at home. I'll wear my best hoodie. All right. No, we're Batman. Okay. But everyone

should join us. We'll be live on YouTube about 10 minutes after the game. Colleen, why don't you pick it? I guess I, okay, go ahead. I'm taking the bucks in this one. And they have to win this one. I mean, this is arguably their most difficult stretch right now in their schedule. They have three divisional games in four weeks. And then they also have the Ravens, the Chiefs, and the Niners coming up. So this is a game that I think the Bucks will win. They've been on fire.

And the Falcons offense just can't come together yet. Like they have so much potential and they just haven't been able to unlock it. And I just don't think it's going to happen this game. I agree with all your points. I am taking the Falcons though just because I, this secondary, you know, for the, I think that they're just going to mess with this passing game. And I think that's

going to be one of the deciding factors in this game. So I'm taking the Falcons. Short week, road team on Thursday and football, not like it's a long trip or anything. Just the way this, like I just feel like these two teams feel like three and two teams to me. Sometimes I don't make it any smarter than that. And so that would

mean that the Falcons get a win at home. I think teams that win games, like I feel like they're lucky to be two and two. Win games they maybe shouldn't have. They usually start playing better and then they win games, like, because they actually earn it. So they're one and a half point favorites at home. If it was in Tampa, I'd probably go bucks, but I'll go Falcons.

Baker's never going to make the island at this rate. But he's got four weeks. He's got four weeks. I don't feel strong about this. I'm, my heart, I'm rooting for the bucks because I want a happy Gerald McCoy after the game. Kirk O'Chains, though. He might be making it.

I like the Falcons here. How about this? This is the third consecutive prime time game the Falcons have had. When is the last time you can say that? Wow. Yeah, that is crazy. It was an interesting move. I noticed that early from the schedule makers

that like we're going big on Kerkow to start the season. Mike North really loves. Atlanta Falcons. All right. That was TNF Preview presented by Prime Video. Be sure to watch the Tampa Bay Buccaneers take on the Atlanta Falcons this Thursday on Prime video. Thank you for watching NFL Daily.

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Yes. Yeah. This is a joy. This is a joy every Tuesday. So thank you. Well, I love today's show. Okay.

Are you holding up a yes or a wrong yes? I'm giving a yes for today's show. Steve, will you be back with us in a month for the next quarterback. I will. And you know what?

Kirkgo change is going to make it because there's new wide receiver Devante Adams. Oh, there you go. All right. Thanks again for watching NFL Daily. We'll be back with our preview show. Steve, working overtime this week, we'll be with myself and Patrick Claibon. And yeah, you know, when Sam Darnold is on

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