NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Day 2 from London! (QB Index Check-In)

Episode Date: September 28, 2022

A hotel suite filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal bring you all the latest news from around the league, starting with an update on Dak Prescott's status (11:46). The heroes discuss Mike Tomlin's commitment to Mitch Trubisky (18:07), the Bills secondary injuries (22:58), and a recent Washington Post report concerning Dan Snyder (29:27). Then, the guys check in on Marc's latest QB Index (32:05). Note: timecodes approximate.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast. Forgot to give the VO guy his ticket to London. From the west side of London town. It's around the NFL. I'm Dan Hansis. Got heroes here. Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal,

Justin Graver on the ones and twos. day two England maybe three no one knows what is time but a construct all I know is for the second night in row

I was up until like five in the morning and at about 4.30 I saw a text remark and I replied I'm still awake and you're like within 10 seconds you replied yeah me too

oh it's been a disaster on that front it was to the point where you know I was texting a variety of people in the United States who pieced together what time it was. Yeah, in America. They were like, go to bed.

I'm like, I am attempting to. I cannot. Now, can you go through who those people were one by one in the context of the text? Well, one of them was my child who did not make that demand because he doesn't understand time zones and doesn't understand geography at this stage.

Right, right, right. Thank you to everybody for following along with the show. Again, this is a huge week for us. see we had our jet lag show part one yesterday, another one today, the Thursday preview show tomorrow Thursday night, the around the NFL live show from the O2 Forum at Kentish Town. Limited tickets available now. So if you want to go, this is the time. Get in there.

All prices high and low available. Friday, fun show live from a local pub, Sunday flagship, all coming up. Um, after we finished taping yesterday, I headed over, got picked up in a car, very nice car, by the way, a little fancy. It's been some fancy little, uh, uptick in the, the, around the NFL heroes treatment on this trip so far. And I want to thank, uh, the corporate overlords and also, you know, pat ourselves on the back for hard work, you know, paying off. I've gotten to the point where I enjoy the overlords and understand now better what they're trying to accomplish and agree with their, with, directions. Henry Hodgson running the ship here in the UK. It's always nice to have friends in high places. Smooth sailing with Henry in charge. Anyway, so I get the car to the studio where

good morning football is taping this week because it is in an NFL network game. Saints and Vikings on Sunday from the hot toddy or the big tot. Depends if you're a neon d on a prime time guy. We'll be there too. If you happen to be going to that game, I guess we'll be on the big screen at one point. So just cheer really loud, like louder than you do for MJD or anyone else that they put on because that'll make them feel bad. That was subtle, Greg. Mm-hmm. And so I had a segment I did with Kyle and Jamie and Jason and Peter Schrager about power rankings. And then when it was Schrager's time to speak, he said some nice things about our show and asked about it.

And I was talking about what this audience here in the UK. and surrounding territories has meant to us. And Kyle then came to wrap up the segment, and this is what he had to say. I flew to Australia, and when I landed, the first person who got to me and said, do you know Dan Hansis? I'm not even kidding.

I told the story on air. And when I told I have to write a wrong, I said, we love all the around the NFL guys. We love Dan Hansis, Greg Rosenthal, all the guys. And then they played that clip over and over. So Mark Sessler, can we get some Mark Sessler? We love you. Mark Sessler. We love you. We're not getting rid of the sound drop, though.

I know, I know. It's a drop. It's a catch you drop. That's great. You're the best, man. So there you go. That's Kyle. That's what you call an olive branch. He knows that he faltered in that moment a year ago. But he's trying to make it right. And I just wanted to make sure you heard that. Well, I appreciate that. I was on live television across the world. I know that really connected with Jason McCordy, too, who has been a someone who's tracked my career, But no, I think Kyle, Kyle's gone above and beyond.

I think Jason said like, oh, most definitely. Well, I'm, you know, there's, I don't doubt that he's got deep knowledge of what's happening. You know, to be fair, I don't think Jason knew of you or any of us until recently we were named one, you know, the top 10 analysts in the UK. He's a top 10 football insider. So, I mean, it's time for people to stand up and take notice. Anyway, so good to be on GMFB. Good to be with you guys and coming up on today's show. You know, speaking of top 10 insiders, Sessie, you have your QB index.

Sessie made it, Sessler. I mean, how about that guy? Who is that guy? It's really ridiculous. That's one of my all-time favorite clips. Sorry, Mark. No, I view it differently at this point. It makes me laugh.

Why can I hear it again? Why am I getting pulled? There's three, you know. Sessie made it Sessler. I mean, how about that guy? Who is that guy? That's Sto Gats. You know what?

You know what? I feel unseen. And like I was mentioning to Dan that this morning, you know, on one and a half hour's sleep, I went to leave my hotel room. And from inside the knob to the main door just came ripped off. And it was not due to incredible strength. It just was simply a faulty door. And so I called down, I went down.

to talk to the concierge and said, this is as much for you as it is for me. I think you might want the door to be fixed. So they sent up an engineer from, I don't know. So he came in and fixed it, and we had some nice talk back and forth. And then about 25 minutes later, we came to this room that we're recording the show in

and there was no power. So we called down and said, can you please send an engineer? The same guy came in to the room. And I said, nice to see you again. You just fixed my doorknob. And what was his response to that? I mean, he looked at you,

like you had an album. growing out of your forehead. They had no memory of you, and he was like, okay, now to work. I mean, I sense that the man may have certain things ripping through the bloodstream because there just seem to be no concept. That's untoward.

What a second? You've got taken shots at this man. He had no memory of me. He executed both jobs he had to do perfectly today. We have power in this room and you have a doorknob, sir. Don't you think that if you're just walking from room to room fixing small, menial issues that probably would be. be nice to be entertained in a variety of ways

while you're doing it. Calling it small menial issues. I'm almost kind of as a pot shot at this dude just because he didn't remember you. I mean, you look like an average, you know, guest at the hotel. He probably isn't really... Well, that doesn't help.

I'm just saying. And it might have been your strength. You've been in great shape lately. You don't know your own power. By the way, we have sitting right behind me to my left. Did you guys see the Let It Be documentary? of the, what was the latest Beatles?

Get Back, was it called? I watched the chunk of it. And I enjoyed it, and yet I didn't, it was hard to do 10 hours. Well, I want to say, I love the Beatles. I've seen it, I've seen it. I devoured it. I loved it. And I thought one of the biggest takeaways from it was, you know,

Yoko Ono gets a bad rap. I think Yoko Ono, who, of course, was John Lennon's second wife. And, and some people, I believe, have. unfairly blamed her for the demise of the Beatles and I thought in that documentary she came off okay she's a maybe a strange woman but a creative artist type who in my opinion kind of stayed out of the way and and was a supportive force for John both in and out of the studio and I say that because Yessica is right behind me right now watch out here do you know and like Yoko um yeska doesn't have a lot to say when we're together because we were

built what we were building out our live show yesterday just a supportive force yes and i want to say that i want to say that jessica thank you for being a supportive force uh so far on this trip like yoko i don't feel like it's an intrusion it's just like having a a nice warm blanket with us at all time so jessica do you have anything you want to say to the audience she shook her head because she's just here to support it's an energy yes why should i be careful what greg what is it now that you're I just, I just wanted, because even Mark was getting, I don't think he agrees with your Yoko Ono analysis necessarily. Well, I would just say one thing. Yes.

Because I don't know if the documentary covered this. And this is where I got concerned for Graver. There was a period where John and Yoko parted ways. And it was about a year where John moved to L.A. on his own and went utterly mental. The lost weekend. Absolutely mental in every possible way. So you're just, you know, there's a, there's a nice love between Yossica and Justin. and we can see that J&J.

But, you know, just if things go south, we may lose our producer to the similar type of vibe. Oh, that's what you worried about, self-interest. And what were you worried about, Greg? No, that was it. Mark wasn't thrilled. And maybe Yessica will one day be, like, written about as one of the more underrated artists of her generation.

I actually was at, like, an art installation in Japan recently, and Yoko Ono's work was there, and people, I feel like she's had a resurgence in terms of the music. Careful with that. Music. Now, you'd be careful. Have you ever heard any of her music? I'm just saying,

Highlander News.org wrote an article. In retrospect, Yoko Ono is a fucking genius. Underrated or overrated, you know, the myth Vulture wrote about what a great musician. I'd rather take my chances with Jessica as an artist every day of the week. I think that's a same. Jessica isn't a gun. She's a photographic artist. Yeah, she is.

Yes, she is. took some great photos of us yesterday probably better than yoko ever did now let's now let's get into it have no use for yoko i had positive things about say about yoko and then i had some critical takes well you're balanced but now we must move on a newsman both sides of the story all right let's uh we're going to talk mark's qb index but before that let's do some news and what you're looking at on that defense line is something like one one one finger Licking good special. That's what I'm talking about.

All five days are becoming rushing and just getting into the quarterback. It's finger licking good special. I'm not sure of this, but it's possible that Michael Irvin has been hanging out with the maintenance man here in the building. I mean, we need to get Michael Irvin on her show, right? We are colleagues. And he's on first take or whatever the FACTA show is. And we're not talking to Mike Irvin. He's talking about the Cowboys.

Just have him on for a Cowboys section. I mean, we need to maybe think about what Michael Irvin has done to have the type of media career he has. Now, granted, we're not Hall of Fame receivers. But this is a man with longevity. We've seen a lot of people come and go in the media game since Michael Irvin entered it and at our company. We need to add a little more finger-looking good.

You be careful. All right, speaking of the Cowboys, let's get to it. That was awesome. Cowboys coach Mike McCarthy says he does not have a timeline for when Dak Prescott will begin a throwing program

as he looks to ramp up and return to the lineup after the thumb injury suffered in week one that necessitated surgery. Jane Slater also reported on Tuesday that week five against the Rams

is a game he quote could possibly start. So there's your update on DAC that's kind of kind of in line, Gregi, with the timetable we had early on. And where we are right now with the Cowboys, they're in a good spot. I think after the injury happened, I remember saying on the show, if they get out of like a five-week stretch without DAC at two and three,

you'll sign up for that every day. And now they've won the last two games with Cooper Rush, and it's almost a house money situation until that gets back. And they're favorite over the commanders here on Sunday. they could be the 3 and 1 it's almost like yeah don't rush back there's been all these reports I thought it was interesting

that you heard some reports like actually he can maybe return in time for week 4 and that was before the game and then after the game was more like how about week 5 I mean he hasn't thrown at all why rush him back early Cooper Rush has run a different sort of offense than Dak Prescott did

and it's been quite effective I really like their play calling and how aggressive I'm not saying that they would want to start Cooper Rush over Dak Prescott. All that talk is nonsense. But maybe they should do a little more of this play action stuff that's worked so well and throwing early on first down. I cannot think of a quarterback that we've spent more time over the past few years monitoring various injury scenarios than Dak Prescott.

It just seems like it's constantly an issue with the Cowboys. But for me, like Cooper Rush is going to be a starter at some point, I think. I think someone's, I think, I think down the road. I mean, you got him awfully high in your QBN. Well, so, by the way, like, I mean, I try not to look at this stuff till after I do it. But, like, if you look where he isn't like a QBR, he's six, PFF has him at 17th. He's just been very clean. And I think they've let him throw the ball.

He's been aggressive. And the way they ran the ball off the left side, especially on Monday night, was a revelation for the Cowboys. I love the fact that guys like Cooper Rush can come along and, like, do something no-corps. quarterback has ever done. He is the first quarterback in NFL history to have a game-winning fourth quarter drive in each of his first three starts. That's literally never happened before and Cooper Rush comes in and does it. It's pretty good. Yeah, I forget if it was like a comeback like he had to be behind in the fourth quarter or what the details were, but that is, it's pretty good. It's also surprising that's not happened in a hundred plus years of pro football.

I also, Jerry Jones, as that Cooper Rush has the makeup of a top QB. We have it. We have that let's hear it there's no question uh he understands this offense he uh has got the makeup for top top quarterback and i underline the word make it for a top quarterback uh which is all well good and you could say that now but you also cut him at the end of training camp and then he went unclaimed by 31 other teams and that's how he ended up back on your roster he was on the practice squad the week before they started so if you saw as a quarterback with the makeup of a top player It's not true. I mean, you saw him as expendable, but that doesn't matter now.

He's on the team, and he's done a great job, and Dak Prescott should not come back until he's 100%. Remember when it's a different digit, but when Russell Wilson in Hero Boy mode decided to come back early from his finger injury, he was not good when he returned to Seattle. Throwing thumb injury, you could see a similar issue if you don't, if you rush yourself. Jerry Jones cracks me up. He's the best.

We love our quarterback. He's one of those dudes where. Was that Giselle? No, that was Jerry Jones kind of. He's one of those dudes that I don't want to take for granted in terms of as being an entertaining figure in our league, Jera, because a lot of stuff is said by the Cowboys owner. What is the latest, Gregie, and Mark Reserve Comment here? Because I don't think you slathered yourself in glory on Tuesday's show, quite frankly.

What is this about? Hurricane Ian, what's the latest, Greg? Well, it's not good. they, as we tape this, and this will be, you know, out of date by the time most people listen to it, it had been upgraded, I believe, to a category four, that the winds were picking up and it could get even worse than that. So I think it hits Wednesday afternoon in the U.S. is when it's supposed to really make landfall.

And at this point, they're pretty worried that it could be closer to the worst case scenarios. And, yeah, we'll see what that means for the NFL of it all. Obviously, that's secondary. but you would think the game would get moved. Yeah, right now we know it's chiefs and it's bucks and we know the bucks have moved down to Miami to train. Which is interesting because Miami has its own like cancellations and evacuations now.

Now it's probably is a tropical storm there versus like a hurricane, but it's not a great situation in Miami either. The dolphins actually left early to escape the storm to go to Cincinnati for Thursday night and then the bucks were arriving there. think it might be a little worse there so they yeah who knows they'll have to move again and i saw the report this morning that tom brady gathered the entire family move them out of the tampa area down to miami and if they have to move again i don't know how joselle's going to handle that but well we don't that's another subplot to try me i will not be doing no two movings in other news

almost got through it mark but i feel responsible for that one mike tomlin uh doesn't care that you don't think Mitch Trebisky should be... Mark just did something I've literally never seen him do in all the years we've done it together. He just raised his little shoulders

like, what me? I loved it, Mark. I told you, I wanted you to comport yourself with professionalism there and then I put a big fat softball on a tea

and said, here you go, buddy. Take a swing. It's your issue. It's not mine. Mike Tomlin says that Mitch Tribisky is his dude. Here's what he said

to the meeting. What specifically with Mitch Trubisky do you like in the way that he's progressing? In all areas. Indecision making and where he's going with the ball, the time in which he's making decisions, the prudent use of mobility, whether it's by schematics or by ad lib,

but just generally all areas. All right. So Tomlin is, that's coach speak, obviously. And Kenny Pickett is the first round pick waiting to play and the Steelers are the team with the offense that can't really move the ball. So as much as Tomlin could say that, Mark, it also feels like Trubisky is going to need to have a real game

where he pops soon or it's going to be a situation where you feel like the Steelers got to pull the lever and try to move this offense in a different direction. I just don't think Tomlin feels any pressure to pick it in, like another coach in another situation on a team in duress might. There's a trickle-down effect, though, because it seems like weeks in a row you're getting either veiled or unveiled comments from his collection of wide outs that seem miffed with how things are going.

And I think there's situations where Trubisky, who has been pretty good throwing the ball outside of the pocket, and he is mobile, and I think Trubisky, or Tomlin likes that, but he's missing wide receivers. He's not seen, and there just seems to be too many misfires each game. And against the Browns, for instance, they had a hat trick of three-in-outs where they barely held the ball, and the defense was on the field for 36-plus minutes. But they can't get off the field. That's sort of on them.

Well, that's, all right, that's true on the defense, but if you, like, I mentioned this on on our Friday fun show that if you go and look at PFF snap counts, there's like six or seven Steelers starters who are at the positions, the most snaps of anyone in the league. And that has a little bit to do with that overtime game, but it has to do with the fact that week after week, the Steelers' offense is not staying on the field. And I think it just, you're tiring out the defense. The offense has no flow to it. And why not?

I think if you're a Steelers fan, at what point do you not just want to see if Kenny Pickett can bring some life? I think Steelers fans. They all do. And also us that watch the games and want to have something more exciting to root for. Like, oh, yeah, I get the kid in. But sometimes us on the outside obviously don't know what Mike Tomlin and his staff think about the rookie. And whether he's ready to play.

I think that's a component in this as well. I don't know. I mean, he looked in the preseason. Sure. But the preseason. He's not in yet. He's not playing. Right.

And Trubisky, I don't think, has been as bad as people making him out to be. He's 13th in the PFF grades right. now, which was surprising to me for a guy who's only even Mark has him ahead of seven different starters, so that's like an air of competence replacement level play. He's like

22nd in QBR out of 32. I thought he showed a little bit of progress in that Brown's game. I put those defensive stats on the defense. They can't stop the run. I mean, it's not, they just can't stop the run and then you end up only having three offensive. It's a little bit of both. He hasn't

been inspiring, but they have other problems. That's the problem with the Steelers team right now. You don't, you don't have the defense that could make up for a bad Ben Rathesberger. Now you have a pretty mediocre defense, a poor offensive line, and maybe he doesn't want to put the rook. Can I just say this? And I don't want to be this guy because this guy usually in our industry is labeled a bozo, but the. Bozo. The analytics and where he ranks a PFF in this place and that place is one thing, but he doesn't pass the eye test of me. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I think that's absolutely true. I'm just saying he's like sort of that replacement level guy.

He probably doesn't pass it for Tomlin either. I think there just seems to be a reluctance to throw Pickett in there. When he said he definitively is not considering Pickett, that was, I mean, he's answered these questions about as strong as you can. They play the Jets this week. Jets play all four AFC North teams in a row to start the year. That's stupid. After the week four home game against the Jets, the Steelers have Bills, Bucks,

Dolphins, Eagles. So you have to win this game. But that's also maybe why you don't want. Pick it in. That's a rough lineup right there. Yeah, because the Jets got the Bengals and the Bengals couldn't lose either. Whatever.

All right. In other news. Wait, you're complaining about getting the Bengals and the Steelers in a row? I mean, those are two struggling teams. It's just, I don't know. It doesn't seem a little on the nose to just, here's the entire division you get the first four weeks.

It's kind of a funky way to start. I agree with that. No offense to the Jets, but what team, who do you line up against the Jets that does feel like an easy opponent? The Browns. The Brian Hoyer Patriots. I mean, that was in a sit.

That game was true. Truly an anomaly. All right, let's see. Look at this guy defending his brownies. No, I'm just saying like that you're, Jets fans are clinging so tightly to a game where like 14 things that will never happen again had to happen in a row. I know. And they all did.

They all did. And it doesn't bother you at all. All right. How about Xavier Rhodes signing with the bills? Their secondary is absolutely massacred right now by injuries. So they bring Xavier Rhodes, you know, once upon a time. Greg was a real big-time player. He's a little older now, but that's where the bills are at.

And it is a reminder a team could look absolutely unstoppable, and then injuries hit, and you all of a sudden have a huge vulnerability in your roster. And for them, it's their back end of their defense. They've had two areas of cascading injuries, one on the offensive line where they were a mess on the interior against Miami, and they'll get players back. And then the other in the secondary. Part of the reason I wanted to mention this one,

like, okay, Xavier Rhodes might help them out. They lost another cornerback, Christian Benford, their rookie who's been starting during that Dolphins game, is that we never even mentioned because it happened Saturday that Micah hides out for the season. And maybe more. It was ominous the way they described the neck injury. It's like he's out for the year and we hope he'll be ready to go next year. He's such a great player.

Not that Jordan Poy or their other safety. Foot injury. Who's also out. And Dane Jackson with the neck injury. Who's also out isn't good. but there's a reason why Micah Hyde's going to be was going to be the guy who is paid as one of the top young free safeties in the league

who's the guy who made that interception against Mac Jones last year which was one of the plays of the year. Him and Poir kind of defined who this defense has been I would say over the last five years and to me Hyde was kind of the key guy. It was him at safety and Tradavius White at cornerback. That's a big bummer on top of all the other injuries

where they're playing sixth round picks. It's definitely a rough week to be playing the Ravens. I know we'll talk about that tomorrow. In other news, we mentioned the Bills. Ken Dorsey is the offensive coordinator of the Bills. And he went viral on Sunday after time ran out in their narrow loss to the Dolphins. The Bills had Crossman Field had a chance to get into field goal position. And you know what happened.

Josh Allen threw a pass completed. Isaiah McKenzie got stuck inbound. the clock ran out before they can run to play cut to the upstairs offensive coordinator room for the bills and ken dorsey has a tantrum throwing down his paper his headset just going nuts before some mystery hand covers the counter which is the best part ken dorsey had his weekly media availability of course he was asked about it and uh you know it was a playoff atmosphere a lot of credit to the miami dolphins and obviously we weren't on the uh winning end of it, so it's frustrating and, you know, reacted that way. And obviously that's something that I'm definitely going to learn from. And, you know, I don't ever want to want to take the passion out of the game. We're all in this on this to win football games for, obviously for the bills, for our fans. And we're going to give them everything we got.

But it's something I'm going to learn from and make sure, you know, it's a correct move forward. This is my take on this. I'm curious what you guys think about it. My first instinct was, don't apologize. It's okay. Be passionate and be yourself. And I think everyone that's watching the games understands you rent 51 more plays than your opponent. You were clearly the better team.

And yet somehow you lost one of those weird funky games. But then I thought about it. It was like, oh, I get it. What is like the biggest golden ticket right now to become a head coach in the NFL? Like there's a few spots. offensive coordinator of the bills is one of them you just saw it with brian dable and ken dorsi who wants to be a head coach i'm sure doesn't want this to be something that's attached to him that he loses his uh temper in a in a big spot so that's what i think he probably is most regretful

about uh rather than anything else which i get but i'm happy i mean i'm i shouldn't say i'm happy but i'm it's cool to see the passion of the sport like that but i understand why he wants to do damage control. I completely agree with you. I think it's because we don't know Ken Dorsey personality-wise. If you're Bill Parcells and you're losing your mind on the sideline, we get that because it comes with street cred and we understand that you're allowed to be all these emotions. I kind of love Ken Dorsey in that moment. Just let your nucleus shine. And like I don't really, I don't think it takes anything away from his higher ability. But it probably was someone got in his ear and said a little bit of damage.

control just so that we can see that you are an even keeled dude on top of that moment if you are. I guess I'm torn because like I love I love sports. It'd be a fun thing to be a part of as your profession like if you were a player or a coach

that you have an avenue that's like so clear wins or losses everything comes into Sunday like you make a good play you can just scream as loud as you can on the field. What other you know you can celebrate you can do all that and that's amazing On the other hand, put yourself in Kandorsi's shoes.

Wouldn't you be embarrassed? I mean, you are a grown-up, and yes, it's sports, but you aren't on the field. You're up there. When that ends, either you have to pick up everything or you're asking someone else to pick up everything. I think... You mean, the objects in the booth.

Yeah, no. I mean, someone's got to pick that up. You know, you just ruin... You have to deal with the IT staffer, or you're making someone below you deal with the IT to... Wait, what's this take? What are you doing about right now? I like it, but I'm saying if you were here...

him when you are dealing with the fallout with this, whether you're talking to that IT guy, whether you're paying for this stuff, whether you're watching the news reports. I think you'd probably feel embarrassed about it and want to correct it too. I don't think he actually made a mess. I think he just picked up his papers and slammed them and maybe a headset too. The computer. I don't think he was like throwing things around. He destroyed the laptop.

He smashed a tablet, Microsoft Surface, whatever it is. Did it break? They cover the camera. Well, does Tom Brady go pick up his smash tablet? or does he have a... No, I don't know if he has that much reflection on that. But I have a feeling Ken Dorsey in that spot who's, like, you know, in that position,

probably afterwards reflected on it and was like not proud. Well, he just said that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that... I get where you're coming from Greg there, but, like, I don't know if the number one thing I need out of Ken Dorsey is sort of, like, booth politeness.

I see what you mean, but... All right. Let's move on. Spicy topic there. I'd be like we could have gone on for 10 minutes. The Washington Post reported recently that there is a sentiment among owners in the NFL, a sentiment that is shifted significantly as the league awaits to find out both a congressional investigation, the results of the congressional investigation and an NFL commission study by Mary Joe White. Per the Washington Post, multiple owners have said in recent days that they believe, quote, serious consideration could be given. to attempt to oust Daniel Schneider

Daniel Snyder as owner of the Washington football team now the commanders either by convincing him to sell his franchise this according to the Post or by voting to remove him Greg one unnamed owner told the Washington Post you were going to go to Mark but then you're deciding this definitely needs to go to Greg he needs to sell some of us need to go to him

and tell him that he needs to sell an interesting source to have that it's an owner that who's going on the record granted not putting his name or her name I suppose I've just never seen a story like this

the owner said we need to get to 24 votes it's a tricky thing because Dan Snyder's faced more problems I would say than any owner that we've covered and this investigation from Congress is pretty unprecedented they also had their C-O-O chief

operating officer resign in the last week. So there's just been a lot going on. But an owner going on the record and saying there's more momentum and serious consideration to actually taking this vote, never seen it in any time I've ever been monitoring the league. And even these quotes on the record is pretty unprecedented. One thing that stood out to me is the inability to secure public financing for a new stadium. I feel like maybe I'm cynical, but that kind of thing, that lack of progress, would annoy most owners and like from a financial angle than the actual culture inside the

team. Do you do you, I mean, this has been going on in Washington for so long. This stadium thing just happened more recently. It's been a bigger problem. Like the league wants to see every franchise grow in that way. And I just, I don't know. I feel like it's more financial than it is suddenly they care about these other issues. But, but I don't speak to the owner. So I don't know. That's what's happening in the news. Let's take a break. and then check in on the QB index. All right, here we go. We're back.

We are back. Three-quarters zips are back as well. Daddy's three-quarter zips. Can you hear it? I don't think they're back. This is a fashion take by you about your own clothing. Nothing better than a dad and his three-quarter zips. and I've been able to take them out of storage.

Can't wear them in Southern California this time of year. Certainly not. People don't know. September is like Indian summer in Los Angeles and the surrounding territories. That's a thick fabric attached to that. But when you go to England in late September, oh, daddy's bringing the three-quarter zips.

They're back. Who said this podcast doesn't have sex appeal? So you'll see multiple zaddy three-quarter zips for the rest of this week, just a heads-up. This is just one of them. And the British love the three-quarter zip. You do see a higher percentage, even in similar weather conditions. Not just the British, dude. Okay.

Dads across the world love a three-quarter zip. I feel like they're falling somewhat out of favor and that they will come back in about 20 years. Everything has its life cycle. Oh, now you're insinuating of the three-quarter zips out. Yeah, I think it's out. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's out. It's in, baby.

Jessica is here. She's a fashionista. Three-quarter zip. Yeah, or nay. Be honest, by the way. Thank you. She's got a thumbs down, and I respect it. It also took her half a second to go thumbs down.

I respect it. You do have to leave the room now, but no, I'm just saying from a dad perspective. Have you been wearing sunglasses the whole show? No, he just put them on. Okay. Just came on now. I can't believe I didn't notice that. Do you not see that...

It's disarming. We're indoors. These dads with their fashion, they go down a wormhole where you think that what you're wearing is appealing to all. But you've just gotten from a relatively lower generation female. Lower generation female. What are you? A newer person. What planet are you from?

A younger person who you would be... Lower generation female has different shape than you. You think that... You think that's... You think these people are wandering around. Look at that daddy. It's like they don't even see. They don't need.

You're not even, you're invisible to them as you walk down the street. I'm married. I know. I'm going to, if I'm going to the soccer game with the kids and I got the t-shirt on, I'm going to wear the t-shirt at the house and during most of the day. Right. Yeah.

But then I throw on the three-quarters zip. Yeah, but you just said that the three-quarter zip has been stored in a box because you can't wear it where you chose to live. Not yet, but I will be able to wear it later. I think you're saying weather-wise. I think the difference is like, you don't, like, you hate it. You don't, like, you hate it. You don't like the thought that younger women are looking through you,

not even paying attention to you as a sexual being. But they never looked at me that way. So I don't need to adjust to it. I don't need to adjust to it. I'm just going to say this. The men of the around the NFL universe that listen to the show, connect with the bozos at this table and share your love of the three-quarters zip. Look, I had many three-quarter zips, but recently I just decided it was time to help out some people at goodwill.

And what did you replace them with? Donate them. $7,000 black jackets that are, you know, zip up. Some sweatshirts. They're more comfy. You know, they're nice. When you give charity, Greg, the next step is to not tell everyone about it. Well, that how else are you, how else can I explain that you gave it away, you know?

I'm just giving facts. Right. I don't really consider that a charity. People know that, oh, well, they didn't go to loss for nothing. They didn't go in a dumpster. It's for the under-priv. What did you call the lower generation? Well, no, I meant a younger person there, not a lesser person.

I wasn't saying she was lesser. I was saying she was younger than you from a different part of the world in terms of time. What is it like for the humanoids? The relatively longer, younger generations. How do they emote and communicate? Oh, geez. Mark has a QB index, and I said before we started, Mark, you need. to defend your honor here.

This is unsolicited advice, but I'll tell you, as someone's done the power rankings for multiple years, the most important thing is to stand by your convictions, and if someone pushes back on them, don't just go,

oh, yeah, you're kind of right. Or, well, you know, I was on psilocybin at the time when I wrote this. Right, I need to battle my own apathy on that front, too. Yeah, you really, yeah. And if it's an apathy issue,

you might want to talk to Ali Bumper. Well, no, no, I mean, just in terms of engaging and arguing with people. About whether or not to do this assignment. No, I mean, arguing with people about their opinion on it. But I, in this case, I would... Well, it's a sports podcast. Yeah. And you have a list that ranks all the quarterbacks

and where they are in the pecking order of our league right now. QB Index. Check it out. NFL.com slash QB Index. That's a guess. No, that's correct. Also NFL.com slash Sessler, if you're feeling frisky. You find other things there.

Here is the top 10 from the QB index. And I think it gets saucier in the middle section. But let's see where Greg comes down on the top 10 that does not include Joe Burrow. Just want to let you know. Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, hmm, Tua, Aran Rogers, Matthew Stafford, Tom Brady, Kyler Murray. I'm going to push back on Herbert right off the bat here. Football is completely different than basketball. That's true. That is very true. And off the bat, you are strong in your convictions. We love Herbert.

We all love Herbert. I don't know. What is the QB Index? Let's start here. Can I just say, where are we at? What does it mean the QB Index? The first couple of weeks, and by the way, because Greg created this product, it is interesting to talk. Did you start the QB Index?

And Wes, I've gone back and read many of Gregs and many of Wes's. But number one, like, some of the stuff I read is incredible. And so, like, when I attacked it in my own way. Be strong. No, I was going to say, like, I'm going to do it in my own way, but my one thought was that in the first couple of weeks... First month is the worst. The first month is tough because this is the one week where I really created a lot of difference from where we were before. Because I didn't want to overreact to person X has great week one.

And I really was just looking at more of the career, what we have, the sample size. And this was the one week where I started to create differences. So your situations, your issues with some of the top 10, it's now based more on what's happened over these three weeks unless like I have no problem like I looked at one that Wested for instance

where he had Tom Brady sitting like 16th and I was like well that's bull but then it's like because you have to go with where you are in this season

at this point. It's more about the first three weeks of the season at this stage it's not Joe Burrell from last year like Cooper Rush and Jacoby

Percept for instance are smack dab in the middle but it but it seems like you're still giving some some props

to their career certainly tootung of Iloa being six already that's what stands out most of me that's a big that's a big uh confidence I am basing that not on the milk toast toa that we saw before but more of what he's produced this season now

a week ago I did not have him nearly in this place so to that same point Herbert who we all love um is playing hurt wasn't able to get the win in Kansas City through a big pick six I know you could say it wasn't a fault. Two good games, though.

I'm three. Got blown out by the Jaguars, got the win over the Raiders, but it wasn't, I don't think, you know, an incredible performance. You have him in the top five. There's some built-in backstory with him to have him above Tua. Really? Right? Interesting.

I, like, the other thing that I think that I would say that I, the tension there is that I have a deep faith in Justin Herbert. He is hurt right now. He's playing through it. I don't see in any way that Justin Herbert is a lesser quarterback than Tua. And so there is the tension between who he is and the sample size. But I also think that through his injury, like he threw that 55-yard absolute laser beam to Jalen Gighton last week, something that I can't, how many other quarterbacks can even do what he does.

I got a problem with that because to me, Herbert was sensational in week one. He made five or six throws in that game that were just insane. I thought he played really well against the Chief. So you're getting two out of three games. And what this top 10 kind of outlines to me is that the top quarterbacks this year, and I would say offenses in general this year, points are way down in the NFL, are struggling a little bit. Because, yeah, the top three, Lamar, Jalen Hertz, Josh Allen, you could shake them up however you want. I'd put Lamar won, but whatever.

Those three are probably going to be your top three right now. But then you look at the big names. Look, Rogers' team is averaging 16 points a game. Matthew Stafford has more. interceptions than touchdowns. Tom Brady, they've got like the 27th ranked DVOA. Kyler Murray has done well, but he's like, you know, kind of just trying to take water out of a sinking ship right now.

And those are guys in the top 10. And I don't have great arguments for guys that should be ahead of them. Maybe, you know, the QB index, the QBs in general are struggling a little bit. It's an early theme to the year. I really felt doing this, like after you get past the five, six, six. seven spot where you can make a real argument for why they're there. I felt I can, it starts to get really muddled because I think Kyla Murray, for instance, it's like you can separate the fact that physically he can do things that so few can. And you see certain plays, like that two point

conversion. It's like he's still a magical player, but he's attached to an absolute mess. And it's affecting his play. I mean, he has three touchdown passes right now. You're right, Dan. I think the middle is more juicy. What, like, caught your eye there? Well, I think Jacoby Brissette has been excellent so far this season. Like so, for instance, like if I put your coach, I put him at 16. At least last two weeks. It's so early, it's hard to really make defined statements. You put him in Cooper Rush, 16,

17. That is over some guys like Carr's 19th. Russell Wilson's 21. So you say you're giving some love to their careers still, but Russell Wilson down there at 21, four spots below Cooper Rush. But part of me is like let's say. Come on, y'all, Russell, holy

I'm very excited. Let's say you just remove their names entirely and you watch Jacoby Berset or in Cooper Rush especially and you watch Russell Wilson like I'd have no problem putting Cooper Rush over Russell Wilson right now. That was Nathaniel Hackett's introductory press conference. I struggled

with that. My thing was like after week four it's just this season alone. Right. And that was that was the week where starting with the week next week's rankings where it's just like okay stop giving them any credit for what they've done before. I guess you're sort of in a mix now. And Russell

Wilson's he hasn't been great but he's also asked to do a lot more than a Cooper Rush is which I think should be that's hard that's putting Cooper Rush up there that's fair I had Cooper Rush 32 lap like that when he entered because it was just like he's starting there and let's just see what happens but Cooper Rush has been watchable the cow he's done as much as you could ask any backup to do and I feel that way about Jacoby Percette so it's like if I keep them buried down at 27 28 I don't really think that's an honest appraisal of what they've done that's fair they Mark loves a sluggish backup, though.

A backup that can't move, Mark loves him. So Jacoby Brissette and Cooper Rush, those are his guys. It should be stated, and I'm comparing this again to power rankings, this is harder, I think, to do QB index because there's so many outside factors that affect the quarterback. So you have Matt Ryan at 22, and I think that's probably the spot and around there where I would put him. But the whole idea of Matt Ryan was that he was going to have. a better offensive line and Jonathan Taylor would be the best running back, most productive running back in the league and you know, you would have a number one wide receiver that was

making the leap and that would carry the passing game on some level. And none of that has happened. And does that reflect poorly on Matt Ryan or is it just reflect poorly on the Colts? Because I think if Matt Ryan had the blocking we were expecting, if Matt Ryan had Jonathan Taylor chewing up yards on the ground and dictating the flow of the offense and he had a healthy wide receiver room things would be a lot different so it's just hard to classify a guy like Ryan

Well that's the thing it's like trying to separate the quarterback play from the environment and there's so many of these quarterbacks that I feel like are deeply affected by their environment and but Matt Ryan to me is a quarterback in decline Graver was really shaking his head hard I think saying like you can blame Matt Ryan

if I'm reading your head Yes well my thought both. It's Matt Ryan's fault, but it's also the Colts fault. The offensive line has not been good. Graver hates the Coltsby. But Matt Ryan has also been fumbling a lot. He's not been good. He can't make up for it though. And one of the reasons you expect him

that he could maybe is like at least the mental side of it will solve things. But him and his offensive line are a mess right now. It's a new system for him, but he's looking like a rookie quarterback where just free rushers are getting in and they're not making the right calls and he doesn't have the arm to make up for it.

I think he could be lower to be honest. He could be. I had him initially right around the middle of the pack, which is, I think, what the cults would have accepted, to be honest. I feel like Wentz is way too high at 20. Wentz has had some good quarters, but he's not a quarterback, I trust. And then I just want to read some stats about my guy, Gino. I mean, I have Gino at 24, which I'm just, you know.

How is this happening right now? I'll be quick about it. He's too high, by the way. I'll be quick about it. I'll be quick about it. I'm just giving independent analysis. PFF, offensive grade. Here we go.

Among all quarterbacks, eighth. Completion percentage over-expected, which measures like the types of throws that they make and the expected completion percentage based on where he is. You know where he's ranked right now? I don't care. You go to where it. Next-Gen stats.

It's an NFL company. You know where they rank them? Number one in the entire NFL, Gino Smith. Tommy Lee Jones. Gino Smith. I don't care. Round numbers. Gino Smith, very solid.

So I'm just saying if you're going to give Cooper, Russia, Jacoby, percent, 16 and 17, you can't argue that the numbers say Gino's a top 10 quarterback. I would not argue that. EPA per play top 10. I would not argue that personally. I test, all that stuff. But I do, I would argue that you could put him ahead of Cooper Rush and Jacobia at like 15 or 14 if you're going to put them there. His job, part of his job is to generate yardage in points.

There are 31st in points for drive. Okay, so that's why you don't put him number one. Greg, he's a field goal generating quarterback. You know when sometimes you try to push back against a contrarian label? And then something like this happens, you said yourself, you said four days ago, Gregi, that you'll admit he's only had four really good quarters and they're spread out over three games, the first game and the third game. And the offense has done zilch, literally nothing in all the other quarters.

So you could like stack all those stats, but at the same time, it's again, I test with Gino, it's for the most part, he's been literally leading the end of. NFL in a legitimate step. Probably like 17 or something. You would take Gino Smith over... I would take him over Cooper Rush. I would take him over Jacoby Brissette. If you're talking about just this year,

I would say he's played better than Matt Ryan, certainly, than Carson Wends. Yeah. See, I don't think he's played better than Cooper Rush. I don't think he's done more for his team. I get you with the completion percentage, but part of that is the... That's over-expected, so it's like...

Well, he actually leads in completion percentage, too. And a week ago, it was by 10 points over... anyone else. But that has a lot to do with the nature of their offense. Absolutely. Like, if he's flinging it downfield and has that completion percentage. This is now too much. Too much, Jeter.

I was just pointing out, when the stats are there for me, how can I not bring them up? But if the stats were not for you, you wouldn't have brought them up at all, I guess is my point. But, I mean, they're just so aggressively for me. Oh, sad to see Mac Jones. I wouldn't put Mac Jones that low either, but he hasn't been great. He's at 28 ahead of only Baker, Joe Flacco. Davis Mills and Fields. I started him a lot higher and he just kept sinking for me.

I would have Baker 32. Actually 31. Justin, it's hard to not put Flaqo getting taxed for that final 155 in Cleveland. I mean, I think Joe Flacco is going to give you this, again, that anomaly game. I call it the 155 tax that Sessler it doles out. I mean, so you would,

you think Joe Flacco, who's such a week-to-week proposition is going to, I think he's fine at 30. No, that's fine. Although, I showed me. A little bit of 155 tax. He shouldn't be ahead of Baker. I can't believe... He's like fifth in the league in passing outage.

How bad Baker Mayfield's playing right now? He's lost. Almost every play is a negative. Like something wrong is happening. And then a couple... They've had a couple fluky runs. I don't want to play the... I told you so card because I'm wrong a lot.

But this is what I was saying in the summer with Baker. Let's see what he looks like. Put in the environment that a Sam Darnold has been in and see if there are any different. It's just crazy. But, yeah, the three weeks have been has been at Darnold's level these three weeks. It's crazy to think what Baker Mayfield

did as a rookie because he looked, I went back to that year and he was sitting top five in some of those QB indexes because of what we were watching. I was doing it. And I think, by the way, Donald for what it's worth, is going to be ready to return, I think, the week after this. So Baker is going to,

and I'm not saying by any stretch, that's going to solve anything for Carolina. But if Baker doesn't play better, you have a head coach and Matt Ruhl who obviously knows he's on the hot seat. And if he doesn't think this quarterback can move the offense, he's going to try the other guy. You've got Kirk Cousins and James 13 and 23. That's the matchup we'll see here live in London. And we'll preview that show that game tomorrow. But I think it's been notable how many questions Dennis Allen is getting from the media already about whether they're considering replacing James.

Why are we so up in arms? Those ranking seem exactly right to me, by the way. Why are we so up in arms about Justin Herbert being on the field, but there's nothing said about the fact that the Saints are pushing a guy out there with a broken back? I think because you could actually see, like Herbert looked like a wounded deer. Like if I would have hit that deer on the highway in 2003 in upstate New York, that's how he looked. He looked like a man in danger.

I mean, it's affecting James Winston's play. Winston has played poorly. but by the way, I know everyone's now connecting it to the reported back injury and the fractures. Like, this isn't so out of the ordinary in his career arc. I know it's not out of the ordinary

from his Saints time, as limited as it's been. He's gone through terrible funks in his career where he lacks an accuracy and has poor decision-making. He's been doing that the last two weeks. So we could say he's an injured quarterback. Why is he on the field?

Or maybe he's just James Winston. He doesn't seem to have the juice on his throws. Arm strength has never been an issue. And I think he made a lot. I think he made a lot of good throws against the Panthers. He just made a lot of bad ones, too. That's James. Anything else?

Good job, Mark. That was good. You stood your ground. That was important. Well, I also wrote this as a jet-wacked nightmare. It was one of the weirdest two days I've ever spent. That was like the psilocybin thing. Don't do the psilocybin thing.

You went through the same thing with Power Wreck because it was an odd time. It's not writing is not the first thing I would do and I can barely keep stay awake. Now, I'd rather be, you know, fading away watching like some sort of. We have, we're, we're. similar in some ways, Mark, but very different in other ways. But I just want to so I'm not going to tell you how you should do things. But yes, I also face challenges

putting together the power rankings this week. But when it came time to send out the tweet to the masses, this was the accompanying text. Live from London, it's the NFL Power Rankings Week 4. Everything here is right. 32 for 32.

It is what it is. How about I'll just tweet out? First of all, it's not out yet. If you're asking if I've not promoted it enough. No, I'm just saying like that's the confidence. This is why they're building the statue of you guys. I will say live from one day. It's the NFL QB index. Week four, everything here is right.

32 for 32. It is what it is. Good bit. That's good. I'll just, I'm going to do that. I'm going to cut and paste this for you. And then the listeners of the show, once you hear this, come to that tweet and reply how much you enjoy me, Greg. You know, guys, I would usually push back on that.

but if Greg is putting that out there he must really need it so please it's about me pay Greg a compliment I was going to say enjoy the article and then I thought it'd be funny at the last minute you just make it all about me a stunning turn Greg all right that's it for Wednesday show

you'll hear from us again on the podcast side Thursday when we have our full week for preview and again yes last chance if you want to see us live in London and we're very excited Like I said, we put together the show, kind of, we're figuring it out over the last couple days,

and it's going to be a lot of fun. Around the NFL live, limited tickets remaining. So head over to Ticketmaster, all different price ranges, get in the building and celebrate with us. Celebrate football. Celebrate football. All right. Good stuff. Thank you.

Jessica. Just like a house cat just silent. And I appreciate it. You did great. All right. Till Thursday. Heath a call. This is an I-heart podcast.