NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Derek Carr Retires!? What's Next for Saints?

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Adam and Ryan from the Saints Block Party Podcast to react to Derek Carr's surprising retirement from the NFL. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're not retiring, at least not from Saints drama, anytime soon. I'm Greg Rosenthal and I'm a sicko because there is nothing I would rather be doing on Mother's Day weekend than be talking to my friend Adam and Ryan about the surprise retirement of Derek Carr. Yes, they are from the Saints Block Party podcast. Ryan, I will start with you. We'll get

into all the nitty gritty, but just what was your first reaction as you woke up to find out Derek Carr was no longer a saint? Oh man, I was already up. We won't. on the discord getting after it early in the morning talking saints and then it just comes out of nowhere bro it's like it's jubilation man like i don't care what i mean look this is not celebrating any any injury or anything like that well we we were done like we were done with the derrick car experience we were hoping it was over and to get to get that like retirement that kind of clarity oh man can't beat it bro it's like mona grow like you say it man Go ahead, Adam.

I mean, I had a drink at 10 a.m. Stop. He did. Live on the podcast. I absolutely did. What are you talking about? Stop. It was great because just looking back on,

we talked about on our show, that Derek Carr-D-8 era of Saintsdom was as dark as it has been for the Saints for a very long period of time. And that Derek Carr is signing, honestly, one of the worst signings, if not the worst signing for the Saints ever, as a free agent, not even on the field,

kind of everything of what it just represented. And so to get that news that officially he's done, whether he comes back or not, we'll get into that, like try to play with the team after the seat. For the Saints, as a Saints fan, we don't have to deal with him anymore. Oh. Okay, okay. Let me back it up a second because I'm asking for your emotional reaction, but let's give some context to it. So the news comes out that he is retiring and the team has a pretty lengthy statement and they say that Carr had a laboral tear and a degenerative rotator cuff damage to his right throwing shoulder. It was discovered in late March, according to the Saints, after Carr ramped up his throwing to prepare for the season that he had an option for surgery. which would have jeopardized his whole season, yet there was no guarantee he would return to his

previous level of strength. So the Saints, interestingly, provided a lot more details injury-wise than you would expect. Derek Carr did not so much. He just had a very straightforward statement, you know, thanking everyone who had supported him throughout his career and saying that he retired. We also learn financially that they will get all the money back, you know, from this offseason's restructure because he's retiring. You know, they don't have to pay him that $30 million that they were going to guarantee him. So he is choosing on some level, and we can get into it, to pass on that $30 million. In the end, though, it was reported by ESPN, by New Orleans football, Nick Underhill, like a few different places, our guys at NFL

Network, that the Saints did pay him his $10 million roster bonus this offseason. And they are not going to go after that and they're not going to go after like the signing bonus that that he originally signed because he's he's retiring so in the end he got 70 million dollars over two years they're actually going to announce the move uh officially after june 1st so the two sides are kind of it's you put it in a text adam to me like an somewhat amicable divorce here uh where they're they're both getting a little out of it and so they can spread that dead money over you know two years. Kellyn Moore did speak on Saturday and said it only came together in the last couple of days. I want to get into the car of it all, like in-depth, because that is really the interesting part of me.

But I think for the average fan who aren't Saints fans, the Saints part of it is actually more interesting, about the 26th Saints. So I actually want to start there, and then we'll back up to the car of it all. And now you look at the Saints and they have a quarterback competition. in theory. Tyler Shuck, Spencer Rattler, and we'll see if they add a veteran to this group. Kellen Moore said he was open to it and they'll look at it, but who knows? What does this make you think about the 26 Saints? Because I saw some people feel the aides, others thrown out there like, now it makes time. The Saints are really going to do that reset that we've been talking about for years. I'm like, that is not the Saints MO. That is not what the

Saints are going to do. What do you think, Adam? That's not, that's just not how Making Limus operates. It's not how they do thing. They are going, they want to, Mickey Limits wants to win the NFC South, whatever, whatever that means. So I think they'll, you, your tweet on Twitter, your tweet on Twitter encapsulated

the things perfectly. Like, oh, there's cap space. Oh, we need weapons. Maybe there's a Keenan Allen out there. Maybe we'll try to go get weapons for whoever the quarterback is. Maybe we'll try to get more defensive help and try to win the South and just be competitive. And that's just what they're

M.O. is because this team is just so much about job preservation and protecting their deaths rather than actually trying to like compete for championships. That's what their their M.O. is in their DNA. And I think that's what their their mantra is going to be for the upcoming 2025 season. But it's too late too. Cam Jordan's coming back Ryan to Mario Davis is coming back. Honey Badger's coming back. Alvin Camara just got a new contract. Like I kind of they brought in Brandon Cooks. I mean, they still got like 20. 13 Saints on this roster. Was he on the team in 22?

I don't know when he got drafted. I mean, Tassum Hill. I kind of forgot Tassum Hill is actually still on this roster. So they're not going to reset. They're not going to rebuild. Are you excited at least about the quarterback competition? How does it make you feel differently about this team, at least for this season? I mean, that's the most exciting part about it is not just we don't have to deal with Carr

because we knew that if car was going to be available, he was going to start. You know, Mickey Loomis said it in the post-drive. presser. Like, if Carl's available, he's going to start, which is crazy that a GM is saying that, but anyway, instead of a coach, right. Yeah, exactly. And that's the exciting insane. But that's the exciting part, man.

Like, we finally get Spencer Raleigh versus Tyler Shuck. Say how you want to feel about Tyler Shuck, Adam and Ryan, I mean, me and Adam. Oh, oh, good person. I love you guys being big enough to go third person. Everyone should be

signed up for their Patreon, by the way. Saints Black Party. I mean, he was there on the Discord this morning before that even happened, apparently. So continue on, though, about the QB competition. No, like, Tyler Shuck, like, look, he was very a divisive pick, like, among Saints fans. You know, a lot of them didn't love, a lot of them wanted to George Sanders. And, you know, look, he's 26, going to be 26-year-old. It's not the sexist quarterback pick, but, look, he's there.

He's going to be your rookie. You know, that Spencer Rattler, another divisive figure. you know, who showed a little promise last year. I think if you looked at a certain way, I'm going to be coming in with the healthy roster. A real competition, a real competition. Now, will it be treated like a real competition with Tyler Shuck as a second round quarterback

versus a fifth round quarterback in last year who wasn't there for the coach and staff that's currently there? I mean, we know how that go. No, yeah, it's not happening. I've actually been surprised to hear you guys over the last few weeks kind of talk about that. And I'm just thinking, I don't need to know. You guys have sources in the building and, you know, the dynamics better than me.

But I don't need to know dynamics to know, like, that's Tyler Shuck's job as long as he's healthy. Because he's a second round pick and Kellynne Moore took him. Now, if he gets hurt or he just totally bombs out in training camp or something and Rattler's looking good, like they'll be open-minded enough to maybe change their mind. But that's just how the NFL works. This is the one thing that Kellyn Moore is. done is handpicked Tyler Shuck. So what a crazy, what a crazy come up that he might be, along with Cam Moore,

the only week one starting quarterback. What does that make you, how does that make you feel, Adam? I'm fine for it in theory because the one thing about Tyler Shuck, if you just watch him, is the thing that he struggles the most with this pressure, which any quarterback struggles with, right? And so we discussed this on draft and I were like, oh, you know, our team's drafted offensive linemen who may have to, like, shift into the interior

if they don't work out, like, woo-hoo. But at least you have that your franchise quarterback, right? Like, Drake Mays that dude, we'll see you on Tyler Shuck. I think the thing that annoys both Ryan and I the most is, like, almost every team in the NFL in the draft, the Patriots, the Bears, the Texans, almost every team, like, flooded their young quarterback in the NFL with weapons

and you have the Saints who dealt with this last year with Crystal Lave, with Rashid with Taseom Hill. Like when the weapons got hurt, like the offensive weapon, AK, they were throwing to like

Jags. Like the team just had no one. And like their solution was like, oh, okay, well we signed Brandon Cooks in the off season. Like that was it. You brought back to Juan Johnson. Yeah, who was all. also hurt last season. And so then you had Mickey Loemis, like in the post game, like the postseason

pressure was just like, oh, well like, it like fell back on the entry excuse. And it's like you just drafted a quarterback in the second round and you, they went all defense. And I'm not saying that defense doesn't matter. It does. But it's a weird team construction of how to build a team. It's, it's really weird too because in theory, yeah, it's a new. regime. It's, it's

Kellen Moore. It's Brandon Staley on the defensive side. We'll see. This defense it could be good. It might be terrible. It could be anywhere in between. I'm not really sure. Considering the age of the team in Staley's history has been up and down, but he was better at as a coordinator, like we'll see.

This team could in theory be contending for a top five overall pick. And then Tyler Shook's going to look like a second round bridge quarterback, which I'm not in love with him as a player. The evaluation, I think, was off. I think you got taken, like, I think it was a bad pick. I don't think it's going to work out personally. I might be wrong. But the principle

of taking the quarterback there, I don't hate it, because I'm someone who says, keep trying until you get one. Of course. And if he winds up being a bridge to a top five or six quarterback, that's great. The issue is, though, like, it's not a reset because Mickey Loomis is there. He's the one talking about the quarterback competition. He's the one making all the decisions. And it could be something where all these guys get blown out the building after one year or you're not really rebuilding and then you're picking the new quarterback and you just wasted a year. So that's all weird and they're in this spot by mistake because I know it was the best outcome Adam for them on May 10th, but this was not the best outcome coming into the off season because the best

outcome would have been just cutting your ties with Derrick Carr to begin with. But they wanted him to come back and they're kind of getting bailed out a little bit by Derek Carr choosing to retire? No, no, no, no, no. Don't say a little bit. Don't say a little bit. A lot of bit. A lot of bit.

Okay, but they also, I guess if they had just made the decision to move on from Carr, which would have been the decision, I believe, like 31 other teams would have made. If they had made that decision back in February, I don't know how their offseason would have been different, but you figure it would have been different. And so they're still kind of paying for that.

But I guess after the fact that he's bailing them out. I guess, okay. So the difference would have been, because this is what I, this is what we've heard is that they wouldn't have been able to sign a Justin Reed. They maybe don't, they don't, they're not like their cap situation is different. So they're not able to be as active and free agency as they were able to be. So they don't get Justin Reed. Maybe they don't get bread and cooks. And so with the, can we also just talk about, just frame it like this, that Mickey Loomis was guaranteeing Derek Carr 40 million dollars who had.

had like a degenerative like shoulder injury like like are we like like are you like glit like glossing over the fact that they say they don't know it they say they didn't know it right and i guess they didn't know it because why would they give it to him if they knew it but isn't that in and of itself like like that's not the problem right that's why that's why i say he's getting bailed out i mean that was uh it was looking like they were going to have to pay 40 million dollars to their car while he sits on IR this year. You know what I'm saying? Like that's, that was probably going to be the outcome.

And he, again, he gets bailed out. Nicky Loomis gets bailed out by the football guys or whatever. And I get it. That was his money anyway. That was the contract and all that. But it's just like, it's a lot of malfeasance that went on that they, they get bailed out for ultimately. Yeah.

And they still, even though they're getting bailed out, they have $50 million in dead money. After only getting two years of Derek Carr. So they paid Derek Carr. $70 million. But now they have $50 million in dead money. And the bailout is that it's not 80. It would have been $80 million in dead money. And instead, it's 50. And because they're playing ball with each other, they can spread that out over two years. And it's not that crazy. But it's like, at least, you know, the Patriots when they had to eat their Tom Brady dead money, or the Bucks when they had to eat their Tom Brady dead money, or the Saints when they had to eat their

Drew Brees money, or the Packers when they had to eat their Aaron Rogers money, or even the Falcons when they ate their Matt Ryan money. It's like, they got great production out of those guys. They're supposed to be like some sort of tradeoff. And they didn't get any of that tradeoff. 14 and 13, Greg, 14 and 13 is what they got. Okay. Well, that actually, you know, bumped up his winning percentage as a pro quite a bit because I don't, I don't want to talk about Derek Carr's career necessarily as it's as if it's over. Because I do wonder if he's going to come back. We'll get to that in a minute, but I actually did some stats because I was curious about it. And since you're talking winning percentage, he's 28th all time and

NFL starts. That's a lot. That's like 28th. Among those quarterbacks, only one had a worse winning percentage for his team. And I'm not all about QB wins, but over that amount of starts, like you want to win more games than you lose. And he lost, I think he was 15 under 500. Vinnie Testa Verdi had a, had a worse. If you expand it out to include all the quarterbacks who had 150 starts all time, which he was pretty, he wasn't that far above that. Jim Everett, Chris Chandler, Norm Sneed, Bob Ferguson also would have been below him. And he played that one postseason game with the Raiders where they came up short. So it's just kind of a bit of a StarCars career where Derr got the bag and now he's moving

away. Let's kind of get into what happened here, Ryan, because like the thing that was strange about it was all this talk, this offseason that he was maybe looking to take a deal. elsewhere. So something's not quite adding up with the injuries and the idea that maybe he would play elsewhere, but he didn't want to play on the Saints. And now he's retiring. But a couple weeks ago, even the Saints were saying it was all happening. Like, give me something to make this make sense. Something is still fishy about this whole thing because he did, he wanted to leave. He wanted to leave back in early March. He was upset that the Saints restructured this deal and kept him signed. Then after that, he finds out, finds out he has, you know, the issue with

his shoulder. And then it's like, everything's all good. We still, I still want to be with you guys. No, I mean, something's, something's missing there. Like, some, some kind of part of the story is missing there. Ultimately, the saints sort of agreed to give him this $10 million now. Um, what, what do you, what do you think went into that, Adam? Just using the analogy from our group text, I think both sides wanted to walk away from the situation out of all three of us in this podcast. Only one of us have been through a divorce. And sometimes in divorces, you know, before things get really bad and really messy, sometimes cooler heads can prevail. And both sides can come to the table and say, listen.

I'm willing to concede this point and we can walk away with us both kind of essentially getting what we want. And I think that $10 million was the Saints kind of conceding when saying we'll give you, we'll give you this $10 million. We don't, we won't fight you on it. We'll give you this. Car kind of gets what he wants and he doesn't play for the Saints because that's something that he wanted that I heard as soon as Dennis Allen got fired back in November of last year, 2004, to him, his time with the Saints was done. Like, to him, him and VA was a package deal, which is a very weird thing

to tie your, your legacy to like one of the worst. That is that one? That was the ball of time. But whatever. And so he gets what he wants and he gets the kind of do his thing in Bakersfield and you know, recover and heal. The Saints get to you know, get to recoup the money back.

and kind of spread the money and his salary over the next two seasons. And if Derek Carter really potentially wants to come back and play football, then he has that option to try to maybe do that after next season as well. So both kind of sides in a very weird way, they kind of get what they want in a weird, like little marital settlement. Except for Mickey, who for whatever reason just was, to have Derek Car be his quarterback.

Weird. Weird, Greg. So weird. You reported that the organization was not all aligned on that. That was, that was Mickey, really, who wanted Derek Car. Literally was everyone except Mickey. See, that's so messy, and it's so strange. And I actually, you know, my first reaction to this was, you know, given their car some credit that look he's he does he clearly doesn't want to play he doesn't want to play

for the saints and to give all that guaranteed money back like you just don't see that too often ultimately and i kind of thought look he's probably in a situation where he knows like the the upside of this situation is not that great and it reminded me a little bit of that scene with cuddy if you guys remember from the wire when when he retires the game the game is not in me no more the game the game is not in me no more. And I was just thinking, like, the game's probably not in Derek Carson more. And you talk to ex-football players. It happens at some point. It's brutal and all this stuff. And I think it's just not in so more. But then you do hear about these reports that he was trying to play elsewhere this offseason. And so then it seems it's a little more like the Saints.

And it seems it's a little more like another guy who retired from the Saints and then was back collecting checks in the NFL pretty quickly, which was Sean Payton. Like, he just wanted to get away from the Saints, too. So it's not like the greatest sign ever that your organization is having like a head coach and a starting quarterback just retire to kind of not work for you anymore in

the matter of a couple years. Not a great sign, Ryan. I think that might be like more of a Mickey Loomis problem. Sure, but he is the organization. Exactly. Yes. Yes. Like, that's the thing where I think people

thinking, okay, now it's time to reset. It's like, at some point that'll happen but they're they haven't really they haven't really changed man and it's really sad too because i mean you had like a great what 18 19 year stretch for true brees Sean Peyton Mickey Loomers got to look like a one of the better GMs in the league over that time and now he's doing the alert you know the jerry cross thing where he's just he's just trying to prove that he's like like the saints are like the Steelers but I'm like even the Steelers don't want to be the Steelers right now like even Steelers fans are annoyed with where they all

are going to be. It's like at some point that you need some kind of fresh innovative innovative thinking and stuff like that. And it's just none of that is going on with the Saints. And I mean, we just keep hearing about people don't want to work with Mickey Loomis, you know? It just keeps

popping up. And I mean, look, we don't even have to say it. Just look at what happening. Look at what's happening right now. Yeah, but like if Tyler Shuck goes out there, like week two of the preseason, he started looking good. Some of the veterans,

De Mario and Cam are kind of looking. Like, you guys will be fired up. Like, what do you kind of think about this? What do you think about this Saints team now? Do you think the 2020-16? Because I look at this division, and I think that the Bucks are a legit, good team now. It's actually a good roster coming back.

It's not just this wide, I don't think it's this wide open NFC South. I frankly would be surprised if the Bucks, I'll just start there, like had like a losing, right? Like, I think they're a winning team. I think they got a chance to be, upper tier contender. And the Falcons, we'll see how good Pennix is. But on paper, like, they're thinking they're going to compete. Obviously, the Panthers are hoping they're going to be

better. So even though, yeah, Adam, like the Saints are looking at this best case scenario where they're trying to get to eight, nine wins. Like, I don't think it's as easy as it would have been a year ago or even two years ago. Man, we have talked about this ad nauseum. Until we see differently, I don't want to speak for Ryan, but like, we, we squint. We squint. We squint. We squint. We, we, we, we, but they look like a four to five win team right now. Like like they just look like they may be picking top five.

And that's like a top like they just like if you just look at their if you look at their schedule like it's hard to find the wins. It's hard to find the wins. Now it's the NFL and things turn around and it might be the right year to do it.

Not because of Arch Manning who most people that seem to know anything about him, say like he's not going to come out in the draft next year. Like he's going to stay in college. But it's a good quarterback class anyways where we'll see. But there could be a handful of options. Two things. I will say if they have invested,

there potentially are four first round picks that they're going to have on the offensive line. If that offensive line is not a weapon at this point, like it should be. That's one of the ways that they should potentially if they're going to be a good team, that's a way that they should. I hear you, and maybe they'll get coached up to do it,

but one of those first rounders is Trevor Penning. One of them, Cesar Ruiz, who's been up and down. One of them has never played in the NFL. So, like, yeah, you're excited with Kevin Banks, but you never play. And the other one missed most of last year with an injury. I'm sorry, I'm being the downer. This team fascinates me, though. I love the mess.

Is there a part of you, Ryan, that just loves the mess of it? Oh, man, like, especially with like a content creator. Oh, my God. That's all season. Right for us. you wake up on like a boring Saturday and it's just like, boom, he goes some news, you know? But there's always something with the Saints, man.

And look, the division, the thing about the division, they all got better to be. Like the Falcons got better. They might actually have patch horse this year. Like you said, the Tampa Bay Bucks, they've just been consistently getting better every year. Even the Panthers, man. Like, I think the Panthers, like,

I'm not saying they're going to win a crap load of games with, like, it wouldn't shock me if they won like eight games this year. You know what I'm saying? So I, the same thing, States got an uphill battle, but I told Adam yesterday, like, it would be cool if the Saints just had, like, a fun season, like 2017 Saints, where nobody's expecting anything, but then young rookies come in, play well, you win a couple games. I'm not even worrying about the wins, but it's just fun football, you know what I'm saying? Defense is feisty, Brandon Staley,

Kelly Moore's cooking it up, you know, got a young running back in Devon Neal, six, you know, six round, he's looking good, Tyler Shulk is slinging that thing. Let's go. Let's go. Or maybe it's Prince of Rattler. Either one, man. Like, just give me something fun to watch, please. Say what the Panthers did in the second half of the season when Young started cooking of last season. But, like, maybe extrapolate that for, like, some of next season for the Saints.

That would be a win for the team. And if Shuck played well enough to give them a tough decision next year in the draft, then that's a great outcome. I mean, you know, I hate to say it, but I told y'all, you know, when Derek Carr was signed, you're like, finally, we got a professional quarterback. That's all we wanted. And I was like, I don't know if he's better than Andy Dalton, like right now. The man was right. My man was all over, bro.

I apologize to Andy Dalton. So many times. I was wrong. I would have gladly taken Andy Dalton. And I do feel for Carr because he is and was just good enough throughout his career to not be good enough and not quite get over the hum for the teams that really believed doing. And look, he got paid well and he put his body on the line and all that. So it's, you know, it's the tradeoff of being an NFL player.

But he was a little star cross with Raiders and then at this point in his career with this Saints organization that just like the one time it really all came together for him, he got hurt in that 2016 season when he was probably going to to get some MVP votes and he didn't get to start that playoff game and he was cooking and I always thought he was like a limited skill set guy because he wasn't great under pressure but he was very athletic could make all the throws could run and then the one other time it kind of came together for him that the offense was a really dangerous if weird offense because it was so station to station was with John Gruden and like that that couldn't last for him either because because Gruden

blew it up and and that one playoff memory was him yeah throwing short of the end zone on that fourth down because they they had a chance to beat the bengals before the bengals got all the way to the super bowl so you do feel because you don't want to see a career end like that and yet i just have a hunch maybe we're not done with derrick are maybe he'll be back a hunch a small hunch maybe he'll be like um my colleague his brother david and he'll end up uh as a backup on some great team and go win a Super Bowl in a couple years like David did for the Giants.

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