NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Derrick Henry gets deal; Dak not so much and Show and Tell with Mina Kimes

Episode Date: July 17, 2020

A city filled with heroes - Gregg Rosenthal, Colleen Wolfe, Patrick Claybon and Mina bring you all of the latest news in the NFL including Derrick Henry getting paid, Dak and the Cowboys not coming to an agreement, the Chiefs getting stronger and Myles Garrett's contract with the Browns. Colleen shares her most depressing quarantine activity of the day and also introduces "show and tell."Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thank you. Thank you. This feels like when verified Twitter got canceled briefly and everybody was running wild, that's what today feels like to me. All you guys were blocked. I was on free. I was tweeting crazy yesterday. It was like, it was the best day ever. It is a motley crew I've assembled here.

If you didn't tune in to Monday's show, Mark and Dan are off this week. They will be back on Monday and we'll start cranking up for the season. Wes, of course, started treatment this week. I know he did want to pass along. He appreciated all the well wishes that he's been getting on Instagram and Twitter and everything else. and I think he's happy to get the process going. So, of course, our love goes out to him. But, yeah, the Twitter blackout must have been tough, I feel like,

especially for Patrick and Mina and Meena. I mean, you guys are high volume, high quality. You would definitely get votes in like a Twitter MVP situation, both of you. But I just feel like that would have been a couple tough hours for you guys more than anyone. How did you deal with it? I just went back and retweeted as many tweets of my own that I could find that were relevant to the situation about being verified. I didn't know what to do because I like tweet.

I mean, and I'm not the only person out there that likes Twitter. You're definitely high volume, Patrick. I'll give you that. Knavon's like one of the most fearless tweeters out there. I mean, you shoot from the hip and I appreciate it and doesn't always land. It does. I mean, you know, last, definitely not. You came on my podcast, The Meantam Show featuring Lenny, check it out. And I believe Lenny roasted you specifically for a couple of tweets you had that had like one to two likes each.

But you kept them up there. I think Lenny, Lenny tweets more than I do. Lenny's got a big social media. But a lot of my favorite tweets of years, Patrick, are the ones with almost no response. And sometimes I don't even respond anyways, but just know I'm somewhere reading them and thinking, glad you tweeted that. Well, in my defense, right? The next time everybody gets locked out and you can't actually tweet and all you can do is retweet, I have a bigger catalog of tweets to pick out from that I can retweet when we're being silenced because the world is hacked. So, yeah. Silenced.

Yeah. I have an addiction. I don't feel like, yeah, it wasn't tough on you. Meena's the same way. She, you know, she needs it to live. She needs it to feel. I don't know about that. I did pay Spencer Hall at EDBS, every day should be, whatever that is, to tweet, the PAC 12 is underrated and deserves more respect. And I don't regret it.

I don't regret it at all. $10. So, yeah, this is a motley crew. I apologize to all of you, you know, assembling a group of friends, really, that work extremely hard, especially during this pandemic, for giving you, like, more work to do this week,

Colleen's been on TA week after week. Mina's got a million shows. Patrick is cranking along. And normally, like, you know, the kind of the focus would be on Mina. She's like the guest of honor here. But, Mina, you happen to drop in for what is kind of like a really big show for Colleen. I mean, she knows it. She feels it.

She hasn't been able to be on the podcast a lot this summer. She used to be on, like, weekly in the summers, but she's been so busy. She's feeling the heat from Claibon, who's kind of slow. in there as like, you know, the fifth, you know, regular here. And then also she came prepared with multiple segments. I'm saying it's like you came with multiple segment ideas, which I love. Like it's, you're taking the next step. You can never really understand the segments that we're doing.

So you decided to make up two of your own. But that puts like a lot of pressure on it on you. True. This is what happens when you're on vacation. I feel like when you're on vacation, you get a chance to relax. obviously, that's what I've been doing this week, and really just kind of go through the different ideas that you haven't had a chance to use yet.

So I dumped them all on ATN. Right. We are going to have a little show and tell to end the show. Yeah, that used to be the name of a strip club around the corner from our house in Philly. And then, um, what was the logo? I don't remember.

What was the logo? I think it was just the outline of a girl. I don't know. That's every strip club is that. outline of a girl. What is a strip club that doesn't have the outline of a woman's silhouette as their logo? Well, I can think of, you know, there's been,

I remember the booby trap in Dove and Alabama. A lot of booze. What a name. What a name! Yeah, when I was in college, I think the local strip club, or maybe it was in high school, because it was at a reservation, and it was the blue moon.

Colleen isn't just coming like with one segment. We even got a little halftime break we're going to do in the middle of the news. What are we calling this, I think? Depressing parts of Colleen's summer. Depressing pandemic activities. I talked to Patrick about this yesterday. Just one of the things I like to do now.

Well, you're moving. You're in the process of moving. We appreciate, you know, you're showing up. We appreciate Mina making it. She had some sales calls. She did not throw up before this podcast like she did before. the last one. So I think we're all ready to go. Ricky, let's do some news. Honestly, I thought you were joking when you said that because

I ended the year at the 77, but I can't really say everything I want to say on the air right now. But it's kind of, I kind of take it as disrespect, but it is what it is. That's Kyler Murray, pretending he's not upset. Like, why can't you say that on the air? You can't talk trash about Madden ratings on the air? He just doesn't want an article, right? He doesn't want an article about it.

I just like ending with It Is What It Is, which is the end of the statement in the human language. It triggers me so much. I hate it. It is what it is. That's like that. Yeah, right. If your husband or wife says that, you're so screwed. Did Leonard Fernette once asked to be taken out of the game because he hated his rating so much?

Is that right? Yeah. And they didn't take him out of the game. And I suspect his rating has gone down since, apologies to Mr. Fornett. But that was an all-time mad at Madden moment. Madden rating season always makes me feel old because like the last time I regularly played was college, which is like the turn of the century. So I have nothing to offer with these conversations.

I do wonder though where Derek Henry is rated in that game because he is a guy who just got paid pretty big money. Four years, $50 million, $25. I believe, guaranteed in the first couple of years without really being able to do much on passing downs. The Titans are one of the first teams in the last few years to, like, build around their running back. This, of course, got everyone tired of the same arguments on Twitter. Patrick Claibon, you're shaking your head, you know, most, you know, aggressively. So why don't you start?

Yeah, I mean, we talked about my love for Twitter. Derek Harry got paid, and I just kind of closed the. window. I was like, you know, just go have these conversations with the people that want to, I guess, in a meadow or on a beach, like a running back got paid. Uh, we've been here before and I don't want to go again. I just don't. Well, with that enthusiastic lead in, should I offer some analysis? You can still do it. It's so annoying. Not you. But no, but this one's different, though, because the contract's kind of fine. Yeah. And I'm, I'm on the, you know, don't pay running backs a lot of money over many years train obviously we don't have to litigate that

and if you pay attention to any statistics you should be on that train but um it's basically a two-year deal it's equivalent to two franchise tags if they tagged them again um and then the titans can get out of it derrick henry is 26 he's coming off the season and when you carried the football three and three times which we know what happens to running backs historically when they carry it over 300 times. But ultimately for the Titans, like this isn't a death now in the way I think some of the other recent contracts have been for backs. I'm, and I feel like I have to add this caveat morally, I'm happy for Derek Henry. This is good for him. But it's also not catastrophic for the Titans. That's the new thing. Like everyone that works for PiaFAP just says like, hey, I'm happy for

him as a person. And then just like waits for the fire to come. Because people take it so personally. And I always say back, I'm not arguing for no one to get paid. That. It's a hard-cap league. Pay your left guard. Pay your, you know, will I? I don't care. Just don't pay running back many years. I mean, it makes sense, obviously, though, for him, too,

if you consider the running back free agent market next year, all of the names that are going to be out there, like Camara and Dalvin Cook and Aaron Jones and Leonard Fournette. Yeah, I mean, like, these are guys that the fact that Derek Henry did what he did last year, he was the catalyst for, like, their second half success. everything that he did in the playoffs. And with the amount of times that he carries the ball and with his style, just being a bruising back, the fact that he's only missed two games in his four seasons,

I mean, he deserves it. He deserves it. And we all said, you know, they kind of have to run it back. The Tanna Hill contract was a much bigger risk than signing Derek Henry. I think you kind of had to sign Tanna Hill. But they gave Tana Hill a ton of money for three years when they didn't really have to. And you said it, I mean, they only gave one extra year here for Derek Henry. So they basically guaranteed him 20, 21.

They were obviously going to pay him this year. That's fine. You know, they may run him into the ground to Marco Murray style. Like, there are just not many examples of a guy running the ball 83 times in three playoff games. And, like, what happens after that? And they are definitely zigging when everyone is zagging in terms of being a, you know, building around the running game. but Tannahill's like the more fascinating guy to me that I like have no idea what he's going to do this year

and he could go back to being totally average and that wouldn't be that surprising to me. Come on. No one wants to jump in on Tanahill? Yeah, I appreciate, I mean, looking what, especially like A.J. Brown down the stretch, right? He averaged 15 and a half yards per target in the last six games, which is like, ah! It's bananas. And I'm glad Ryan got his money.

I would have liked, look, I definitely understand about paying running backs and wanting to structure your team in a way that you can have long-term success. I just wish that there was a way for these guys who are required to play in college for three years and then come into a league where they're not eligible to have a contract for sometimes five years. I just wish there was a way, especially for that position, for them to get some money at some point before they're unable to do so. I thought maybe no contracts were going to happen with all of these franchise tag guys.

There were 15 of them, if you include Kenyon Drake, who was transition tag. And two of them did get paid. And we'll get to the guys who didn't get paid. But I do keep thinking about like every contract that's being done right now, there's a lot of analysis that's like, well, that's a good deal because of this. Or that's a good deal because of that. Or, hey, when the TV money comes in next year, it's like, are we sure that TV money's coming in? Are we sure any money's coming in? Like, are we really that confident in, like, making analysis on the salary cap based on any past precedent when we are in a world that is totally without precedent, football-wise, of course, but financially into the future, I think everyone should just take, if you can get money right now, like, take it, take it.

because who knows what's going to happen around door, you know, door number two. Well, so along those lines, I hope I'm not skipping ahead. I guess I probably am to a Dak Prescott conversation. No, that's next. Let's do it. Okay. I mean, is there a sound effect or can I just jump right in? No, go ahead.

Just go. Doc, doc. That's all I'm not. Me's now hosting and producing the show and I'm so here for it. That sound effect, it sounded like you were throwing up, much like I did in a gas station bathroom on my way to my last show around the NFL up here. It's, Dag, Dag, Dag, Dag, Dag! Honestly, you can just play that sound effect every time I go on the ESPN.

We switch news stories. I'll just play that, yeah. Okay, thanks. Yeah, so my colleague Bill Barnwell had a really good point kind of cutting to what you said, Greg, about the contract, which is so Dallas has put themselves in a position where if they want to keep him, and I believe they probably will, based on that offense and what I expect out of it, it's going to be very hard to walk away from Dak Prescott.

They are, I said highly questionable today, I'm worried I used it wrong, but they might be hoisted by their own pittard. I don't know. I don't know. I let, yeah, I don't know. I hope it's not a lot of pittard out there these days. But, yeah, that pittard being, oh, God, that if DAC Press got successful, they will be a victim of that success, right? Because they're going to have to pay him the 37 million. But Barnwell pointed out, if the cap doesn't go up, that 37 million has a percentage.

of the gap is a lot of money, right? And they're putting themselves in a really, whereas if they had a longer team deal, they could play with the money and restructure it and move it around. So that's from the Cowboys perspective. But do you believe, because you were just saying, you know, if you should take money right now,

if you can get it, that Dak Press got aired in any way by not taking whatever it was, you know, 33 times five or I think that was the last rumor about that. I don't fault any player or agent, you know, who's certainly part of it. this for making the money decisions. Everyone has different priorities of if they want the long-term security, let's say, right now or they want to bet on the future.

I don't necessarily believe, like, a lot of the last minute, you know, stories that come out in the media, it's like, oh, it got really close at the last second or even what the terms are that we're hearing or the Cowboys don't sign four-year contracts. Like, I'm sure they're saying that. But if Dak Prescott accepted a four-year $32 million contract, they wouldn't sign it. I don't really buy any of that. So, Dak is betting on an uncertain future.

And if you look at the past, he's in the right because ultimately the Cowboys would have been saving money and better off if they signed Dak Prescott last year. If they signed him when Carson Wentz and Jared Goff, that would have been the best time to sign him. The next best time to sign him would have been this year. And I think the worst time to sign them, assuming they want to sign them, you know, is going to be next year. And I do assume that they want to sign them.

But Colleen, it does feel like there's something just like a little bit weird going on when you hear the talk that it's like, well, this gives them another year of evaluation. It's like, what more evaluation? Well, I feel like obviously it works out great for DAC. I feel like the Cowboys are losers in this situation because Dak's value is only going to go up. I mean, unless he gets hurt. But I feel like it's different this year. Well, it's always different for quarterbacks, but especially this year.

and we were just talking about, like, if you can get any money, just take it right now because of all of the uncertainty and the pandemic and everything else. But in Dax's case, the longer he waits, the more likely he's going to get the deal that he's actually shooting for, whether it's with the Cowboys or whether it's with a different team eventually. It is taking $31 million, too, which is, you know, to be clear, you know, seven times the amount of money he's made in the first four years. So that will change his life. Did you see Patrick Tad Prescott's? I just want to jump in here. His name is Dakota Rain Prescott and his brother is Tad.

Yeah, that's tough. Dakota Rain Tad. What going on? You just lost out. Yeah, you're like, why can I be Dakota Rain? I'm Tad. Like right there, they pretty much set up who is going to be the NFL quarterback

and who is going to be tweeting with like no punctuation. But, I mean, in terms of like, since Rain Dakota is sitting there watching Jared and Jared's contract, I always looked at that as kind of, okay, so golf's contract happened. A considerable amount of time has passed since then. And DAC has to look at that as like a floor, right? And I don't know if we're in a world where the Cowboys go into the Super Bowl

and score three points where we would look at, oh, yeah, well, you've got to pay Dak Prescott if that happened. so that comes into this and sure he's he's going to take a risk but i just i legitimately wonder do the cowboys want dack as their quarterback i think it's a fair thing to ask because it's the most it seems crazy but it the most you know easy comparison is to kirk cousins in washington and of course dac has a higher ceiling than kirk cousins did and does and i think has played at a higher level than kirk cousins had at any point in washington really but But I feel like if they 100% super wanted him, then the contract would be signed.

That's like the little thing under the radar here. It feels like they're betting on him to not be successful, which is a weird thing to have your quarterback and you're contended for a Super Bowl. And it's like, well, you know, maybe if you're not successful, then we'll only give you $28 million a year. And it's all about it. And if he is successful, what will happen? They'll be placed by their own partard.

The Kurt Cousins references instructive not only because that seems to be the past that he's headed down, but I think similarly to Kurt Cousins, I think you're absolutely right that the Cowboys don't view him the way a lot of the rest of us seem to. And I firmly believe that if Deck Prescott was drafted in the first round, none of this would have happened. He would have a contract. I've seen this so many times in the NFL, as with Cousins, where you are drafted affects the way teams perceive you for the rest of your career. They didn't love them that much then. They like Connor Cook more than him. Paxton Lynch.

Which is bananas. The original question, though, Mina, I would take that money. I don't, well, who knows? You can't put yourself in those shoes. But in this time, I would just, like, right now, maybe I'm more freaked out than everyone. But, like, I would just, I would take it. It's like, Colleen is packing up. She's moving out of Santa Monica.

She's using this time right now to just, like, lock down. her long-term security, get a good deal on a place, I'm hoping, and move. Maybe this is not a good comparison. Maybe it's not, but the box is behind you are very distracting. Let me just ask you guys this. I think the Cowboys are going to be a top five offense. Do you agree? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. They have everything that they need for that to happen. Dak has everything at his disposal. So there's really no reason that the Cowboys should be doubting him at all because they've set them up perfectly to 16th. That's what I'm saying. So when he's doing this risk calculus, he doesn't know if he's going to break

his leg, knock on what, you know, and he doesn't know what's going to happen with the cap. But he knows he has weapons and an offensive line. Like, you know, the information he's equipped with suggests that he should take a bet on this season. Yeah, that's true. And unlike, you know, me, like, he can have a little more confidence that he'll be like gainfully employed for a few more years. So that has to feel good. I do want to mention the guys who did not get signed because there were a lot of them.

Just if anyone stands out to any of you, let's start with Patrick, Justin Simmons, Shack Barrett, Brandon Shurf, Leonard Williams, A.J. Green, Joe Tuni, Anthony Harris, Hunter, Henry, Bud Dupree, Kenyon, Matthew, Judon, Yanukkah, I mean, the free agent class next year should be loaded. That's one thing. And I will just throw out to start, and then I'll go to you, Patrick. Because the Leonard Williams one is fascinating to me because it's like, Leonard Williams would have never made the money that he's going to make from the Giants if he got to free agency. He never would have like been kept if Dave Gettleman hadn't traded for him. And like Leonard Williams is almost like a last stand for a way of life for Dave Gettelman. Like he believes

in these big space eating defensive linemen and he has Dexter Lawrence and he has Dalvin Tomlinson. And it's like, and if this doesn't work, if their defense doesn't work, then it's like none of them are going to be back there next year. Dave loves the hog mollies. I love, I used to love the idea of because it was a thing that it was a trope that was always like, oh, well, this guy's going to a contract year, so he's going to try extra hard, right? But Shaq Barrett, going into a contractor, he led the league in sacks and, like,

I couldn't get a deal done. And it's just like, it makes me think, like, Derek Henry goes up to the last second to get one. And it's like, well, like, what is this tag really for? Because these guys have done all that they're supposed to do. And you'd like to have, you know, have an opportunity to get a long-term deal. And so I just don't know what more Shack Barrett could have done.

I'm looking forward to see the buck defense play this year. I think it's like it's basically to keep players, you know, it's, I was surprised that it didn't change more on the last CBA because it's just to keep, keep players an extra year or two that you don't want to pay what the market will pay. And that's what happened with a lot of these guys, Joe Tunney really stands out. I don't think he's ever going to get that money from the Patriots, but they didn't want him to go to the Jets.

One guy that did get paid, though, this week, and we are going to go through all the contracts. But the biggest surprise to me was Chris Jones getting that deal, Colleen, after they signed Patrick Mahomes, which proves one of my favorite truisms about the NFL. The salary cap does not really matter. That people using the salary cap as an excuse. You can always find ways around it if you really want to, and Brett Beach did this offseason. I'm just really happy that Katie Kamlin of Plaza Liquor Media was able to break the news to everybody again. Like that, I think, was really the gem of this story. And they did a whole video with production value and everything else.

And you know what? I loved it because not a lot of stuff makes me smile these days. So if anything makes me crack a little bit of a smile, I'm all the way in on it. But Chris Jones, like, obviously he deserved that. And now he's out here making a ton of promises, like he's going to bring more championships, defensive player of the year. But he really does such a good job of pressuring. from the inside, from that position,

he's just, I think that he deserves every penny of what he was paid in that deal. How about those curls from Gonzo, John Gonzalez, your husband you're putting out there on social, that's got to be making you smile. Maybe jealous. I'm just saying, how do you think I feel

drop the routine, I got to live with him, all right? I know, like, I mean, his curls all the time, I'm like trying to live up to the curls, but, you know, it's hard. It's a tough job. The Chiefs are enjoying their victory lap to jump off what you actually talked about. Sorry for jamming that in there calling. They are enjoying this. Like, why shouldn't they? I love it. I love it.

The Chiefs like fans, they're celebrating. Mahomes is celebrating. Chris Jones is celebrating. Like, do you think this all works, man? Well, the short answer is they have Patrick Mahomes, so they're fine, right? Like, we were just talking about, we were ranking all the different offenses, defenses. And last year, the Chiefs finished about middle of the pack, which is a credit to some of the work that Steve Spagmolo did, especially with that secondary, I think. But ultimately,

L.O.L., nothing matters if you have Patrick Mahomes. You just need, like, an average defense to be fine. They are headed towards a very Stars and Scrubs roster. I know I agree with you that concerns about the cat tend to be overrated. But they will, you know, they've got a Kelsey deal looming probably after a kiddle deal. That's going to go up. They'll change the decisions that they have to make.

Michael Schwartz is someone that they have to pay. but Brett Beech has also done a really good job drafting, which is you have to draft and develop and have some of those hit to have a Stars and Scrubs roster, right? Like Juan Thornhill, the Young Safety looks great, found quite a fine and Travarius Ward too. So I'm not worried about the Chiefs. I think all the dynasty talk is completely validated.

And to Colleen's point about Chris Jones in his unique skill set, and probably the second best interior pass rush in the NFL behind Donald, that's more important than it's ever been. in this league. We saw that in Google. So I thought it was kind of a no-brainer for them. Cheese fans are so lucky, man. Imagine being a Chiefs fan. He makes the guys next to him look better. He makes whatever defensive end they stick over there opposite Frank Clark and Jones always looks

better. I mean, that you can save money that way. I think they have Taco Charlton now. That was one of those when you go roster by roster and you're like, huh, okay. Like that guy's on that team. Who's going to try hard now? I remember Taco Charlton is going to try how. now articles. So that jumped out to me. Wait, wait. Did sources say that or like what kind of sourcing do you have on that? I think it was taco. I honestly do. Wow. Yeah. It's like during my time, I have to look for the quote. But yeah, I haven't motivated. Yeah, but now, now the fire burns within. You could make a lot of people did. I felt this way, you know, of course, Patrick Mahomes causes the world to explode. But you can make the argument that Chris Jones was the MVP.

the Super Bowl and to see Mahomes is there we go validated to see the homes um who told like we we interviewed him on total access last Friday two Fridays I don't know days don't really mean anything anymore um they don't and he talked about the way that he wanted to structure this deal and Chris Jones honestly is making more money than Patrick Mahomes right now um what is going to have to wait for the lion's share of his payday but he wanted this to preserve this championship window that they have and they'll do that with the with the the talent that they have that they're able to keep for now um but in terms of keeping this defense which was able to play to the level that they needed them to play this is this is huge and the window the windows all

the way open and i'm glad he gets his money i do wish we could call him the highest paid player on the chiefs it's weird that we insist that my homes is the highest paid way you can i mean you've got a microphone you're on it right now I mean, you can do it on an actual network. Let's wait until people get their money to call them the highest paid. Let's do that. The money comes in their bank account and then... I will fight that fight with you.

Let's do it. Okay. I'm down. Let's go. It's like, yeah, their defense could... Has room to get a lot better because they really weren't that great. They're terrible against the run. They're pretty good against the pass.

And you would think they actually have room to get better. Spagnolo did a good job at the end of last year. But really, we're just kind of killing time. right now. I hope, Ricky, you are ready because we've just been kind of talking until we get to my favorite part of the show, or what I'm expecting to be my favorite part of the show, which is our half-time

break of the news. And it's a little something that we like to call. And give it a second, Colleen. Colleen's most depressing pandemic activity. I never been this happy

before. What too? Okay, so this is my favorite depressing pandemic activity to do these days. Because I have a lot of pictures on my phone, I never delete any photos at all. So I have screenshots, I have everything on my phone. And I like to go into my photo album and search on this day last year. What was I doing as a normal, semi-normal functioning human in the world? So it's something that you all can do. We can all play this depressing game together.

And as it turns out, I looked this morning that on this day, last year, this was not a plan to like humble brag at all, I swear. But this just so happens to be the day that last year I accidentally went to Palestine. I was in Israel with John and our two friends, and we went to Jerusalem, and we were like, oh, well, like, Bethlehem is right around the corner. Should we go and, like, check out that the church where Jesus was born? So we're like, yeah, cool, let's do that today. And so we, like, we literally got in the car and typed in Waze, Bethlehem Nativity Church. and, you know, I guess I should have probably figured out that it wasn't the smartest idea

when Waze popped up a warning that said high risk or illegal area, do you confirm drive? And we were like, yeah, I mean, it's Bethlehem. It should be fine. Taurus go there all the time. So we drove our rental car with Israeli plates into Palestine, which Israelis are not supposed to go there and usually if you go to Palestine you are on a tour bus and you go with a big group but not us

and it was quite the journey and it was quite a day and we made it back it was a little dicey we had somebody spit on our car but that was it so really not that bad like

was the car moving when they spit on it, or how did that work? No, no, we were stuck in traffic at the border trying to cross back over. And luckily, we all had our passports on us because we really didn't realize that we were crossing over any borders. So that was, that's my favorite depressing pandemic activity. And I think you should all try it. Just give it a world.

See what you were doing this time last year. I never been this. have been before. So Bethlehem was beautiful. It was a really cool church, really awesome. I highly recommend Jerusalem. No, I think it's amazing. I want to call you every day and hear this incredibly sad look back on what you were doing.

It's a very Colleen thing to just kind of stumble into Palestine, too. Patrick, you were looking at your phone. Did you go back a year? Well, yeah, when Colleen mentioned this to me yesterday, know that we were going to be depressing on multiple levels, but I went to, um, I went through my phone to, to look in to what I was doing a year ago. And I don't know if you guys could see, uh, Lauren and I actually went on a date to a playhouse to see a magic show with a small, intimate crowd where people were close to each other and touching each other and touching

playing cards and doing all of these things that are impossible right now. And so, yeah, the idea is super depressing. Yeah. Mine hits it on the head pretty well too. I was at, I was looking back, I was at Fenway Park about to see my family the next day, but staying at a friend's house and watching the Red Sox win.

I think it was like an 18 to 11, real offensive. I remember that. all night at Fenway Park. I was in Miami. Taping very questionable with Poppy over there. How are you finding just like doing Zoom for all TV?

It's all right. I mean, you guys have the same experience as I do. For me, the worst part is like doing my own hair and makeup or attempting to and lighting and all the stuff that we count on much more skilled people to do. I'm pretty bad at all it turns out I'm bad at everything that goes into the making of television just being on television is my job but I'm enjoying it

I think it's a lot easier than any of us thought it was back in March I'll say that yeah that's true which is good because I think it's going to be continuing here for quite a while my only thing is the delay I can't get used to the delay

it's so annoying It changes everything that we do with how we interview people, with how we tee people up. And it's just, it just makes TV bad. And I wish, like, it's like, let's, let's nationalize the internet. Ah, let's make this better for everybody. I don't know. It feels like a tweet that you were like a Claibon tweet in real life we just saw come together. What a magical moment.

I mean, for real. Nationalize the internet. It might help, it might help send some kids to public school. That would be nice. The delay is the absolutely. worse though like it is it makes everything so scripted and then anytime you try and like interact with somebody say something funny like just react to somebody's point there's just like dead silence and you don't know how it was received until seconds later and you've already moved on to

something else and then you have to like back laugh at it and then be like yeah but anyway i don't know i don't know if you're if i'm talking over you still right now or like what is going on and so you just like power through and it's um i feel like not great yeah i just maybe he has S.P.N. isn't having these problems. I mean, I don't worry about it because me and Andrew Siciliano have such amazing chemistry. Like, it's sort of nothing can stop it. So natural, yeah. Yeah, but maybe it's a different ESPN. And that was Colleen's favorite depressing pandemic activity. Okay, Colleen, I think that was a big success. That was an A.

you're one for one right now. What a segment, guys. It feels bigger, but you're off to big. I'm not surprised. It's like you've kind of stepped up in class, just like in general since you were on the show. You're like, you're bringing the executive producer credit is what I'm saying. You're like the-

Why are you trying to butter me up right now? What is coming next? I don't know. We'll see. You're like the Reese Witherspoon. I don't know. Seth Rogen, maybe. I'm just like that's a

We do have a tiny And it is a come down I was thinking this show might be the last show Where we have just a lot of football news To talk about Which is nice, which is a relief And that, you know, the league's handling

of the coronavirus isn't going to be Almost everything Or at least the most important thing That we're talking about every episode But we do have a little bit of an update there Which is today there was a report that the NFL and NFLPA agreed that there will be kind of a separate IR list for players who get the coronavirus. It'll be three weeks.

They will be fully paid. But that is one small detail. And the bigger news, the bigger kind of global picture is that we are technically only two days away as we tape this from when a couple of teams, including the Texans, rookies, are supposed to show up for training camp. The NFL owners have a big call on Friday in which I expect there will be news about certainly those rookies not showing up and, you know, very possibly training camp getting pushed back. But I think, I guess the biggest takeaway is here. They're pretty far away, it feels like, on even coming to terms with how this will look at the same time that, you know, five, six, seven NFL teams are in some of the worst, you know, places that you could. possibly be in the entire country. So that's it.

Like the news is just like there's going to be more news Friday. But I wouldn't be surprised, Meena, like if we, when we come back on our show Monday or when you're doing your shows Monday, that things are going to start getting pushed. And the preseason especially feels like it is like more of a dream for the owners than something that could realistically happen. Coming from my work there, Greg. You love the preseason.

That's right. and you're the pre-seasoned name. Yeah, that is a bummer. So the players are pushing for no preseason. The league one of the two games is the last we've heard. It is interesting to think about which teams are not to immediately transition to the football-ish side of things, right? Like when we talk about how will no fans affect the home crowd advantage at Seahawks Stadium?

But it is interesting to see it. No preseason would really affect. a lot of rosters, a lot. I know we poop on it and some teams view it as inessential, but this is the time of the year when we start talking about question marks, training camp battles.

Like, for example, the Chicago Bears, if they don't have a preseason, who starts week one? There are teams out there where the absence. Do you think definitely? Nick Folls only is here for the playoff.

I kind of think, I mean, I don't know. He will show up. I'm not saying anything definitely, but I think the training camp's going to look more like the NFLPA wants, which is about a three-week ramp up where initially maybe there's only 20 people in the building and that maybe you get to OTAs in two or three weeks and maybe you get to padded practices in four or five or six weeks. And it's like if that's the timeline, what are we talking about here? Like you're not even close to being in terms of the preseason. And we talked about how the NFL built some flexibility into this season of pushing it back.

And, you know, I think we're getting. closer and closer there. If someone had told us in March that as we were sitting here 12 days before training camp was supposed to start and a couple days before rookies, that cases and death in cities would be higher now than at any point in the pandemic. Like, I don't think we would have believed it. And we probably would have just assumed that the NFL is going to have a hard time coming back. College football looks like it's on the ropes. But when you just look at what, I don't know if you guys saw JJ Watts tweet today, he tweeted, I guess, after these conversations that the NFLPA and the NFL have had this week, here's what they know and don't know. And some of the points he outlined, we've not received a single valid infections disease emergency response from any team or the league.

We don't know if there are preseason games, obviously. We don't know if there will be daily testing, semi-daily testing. we don't know how a potential positive COVID test would affect contracts, roster spots. Nothing's been agreed upon regarding what training camp will actually look up, look like, and how the ramp up period will even work. So it feels like nobody really knows anything. Well, and how could they? The testing's the hardest.

It has to be the hardest part. I know the NBA is getting it done to some degree, but in so many of these states, unless you're an essential employee, you're having to wait a week for your test results right now. And it gets really complicated if the NFL is going to try to come in and even have the, how could they have the resources or ethically like what you would need to do to have the resources to test as much as you would need to to be safe. And then the list that they put together with COVID with the players having to go,

if they test positive for the three week COVID IR or whatever they're calling it. I mean, what are they going to do with false positives when those tests come in? I mean, I'm not, I don't, everybody in my family is a nurse, but me. So I get all of my information from them. But that is a problem, the false positives, and that's going to affect rosters and football, too, if anything. And it's so cart before the horse. They, like, August is going to be so challenging. Like, they just need to try to figure out some sort of safe way to do August and worry about everything else later.

And we're within the incubation period, right? Now, like, 12 days until training camp starts. If you're exposed to the virus, like, you may not test positive until you're already there. And then what happens? Like, how are things going to look two weeks after the started training camp? There's just so many places where it feels like at this point, we should have like a firm process of this is what we're doing. This is what's safe to do. But because-

Like in society, too. Yeah, right? Society more. The NFL's not going to solve it. But because money's involved, right? Because money's involved in society, because money's involved in the league, there's kind of hemming and hollying on like, oh, where is it okay to blur the lines? Because, you know, ultimately we're concerned about people being able to make a living.

And so it's, as you said, many times, Greg, like it shouldn't be up to a league or even a city or a state to do this. You know, these things should be implemented at the federal level by a functional government. And apologies to people who are tired of hearing people say that. I know. But it's true. Let's go back to the football. That was more fun.

There actually was more football news. It really is probably going to dry out now. I can't see what else is going to happen. But there were items this week that in a normal week, we would have been leading this show with Miles Garrett's contract. We would have spent 20 minutes on it because we would have just been excited that something happened. Like Miles Garrett, Colleen, you were there for, I would say, the worst moment of his career. You were in the building in Cleveland. What have you guessed doing one of,

what I would have guessed was the most difficult, but excellent jobs by you doing that post-game show. What have you guessed that night that like we'd be talking about a huge Miles Garrett extension that makes them one of the highest paid players before the next season starts? I can't even imagine, I can't even imagine like thinking that, going back to that night because it was,

was one of the most, I mean, even Super Bowls have been less chaotic than that night because it happened with 10 seconds left in the game. That was part of it too. And like, and it happened at the other end of the field from where we were and they weren't replaying it in the stadium. So nobody knew what was going like we couldn't see what was happening. And we didn't have any monitors because they didn't even pull, they were just about to pull out our set onto the field with like the second ticking down. And so we just hear, like, Joe Buck being like, and Troy Akeman being like, oh my God. Oh, wow. Did you see that? And we're like, what is happening right now? How do we do the show? And it was like, we had to throw it all together. And once we actually saw, you know, the video, then we were like, oh, wow.

All right. So this is a thing. This is a big thing. This is a thing that is going to be a thing for a while thing. So I can't imagine, you know, thinking that night that we were going to be sitting here having this conversation. But before that moment, Miles Garrett was in the discussion for a defensive player of the year. He was in the conversation for that. And you saw the fall off with the defense when he was not on the field in terms of what they were able to do with pressure. and it just wasn't anywhere close to as successful as they were when they had Miles Garrett on the field. So he's getting that money and he said that, you know, that one moment isn't going to define his whole career in life? And Mina, you talk to him.

I mean, what do you think about all this? That's right. We get all the experts. I know. I'm getting my Google alerts from my name because it's being mentioned in the context of his contract. He did this interview. yeah so i guess it was god it feels like another lifetime when was the february i was after the super bowl i think

but um i did interview miles about the incident uh when he was reinstated and he sort of reasserted his allegation that mason rudolph said slur to him um and that was met with a lot of backlash from the steelers uh and the number one question people always ask me is do you believe him and i don't have an answer to that question. I truly, I don't know. I wasn't in the field. I believe that there is an audio, by the way, which is something there's been a lot of question marks about. And I think kind of a lot of misunderstandings about what is actually taped on NFL players and retained. But I do know this. I'm not surprised by the contract because the Browns absolutely love him. And one of the

things that didn't really make it into, it wasn't reported on was, you know, after that night and then after our interview, a lot of people asked, why didn't he tell anyone that night? He did. He told John Dorsey. And Dorsey confirmed it. And Dorsey has only ever supported him and backed him. So again, I don't know if it's true or whatnot, but I do know that that organization thinks very highly of him. And I'm not surprised for obvious football reasons. Right. I'm glad. And he's right. It's not going to define him. I mean, they've known him in the building. He's a number one overall draft pick that has lived up to the billing and then some DJ. J. Daniel Jeremiah, our podcast adversary mentioned on Twitter this week, you know, he thinks that Miles Garrett has the most tools in the toolbox of any

pass rusher in the league. And I would agree to that. I love watching Garrett every single snap. And as good as he is, I think there's even a feeling that, wow, he could be even better, that he was probably one of the five best pass rushers in the league last year. And I think that's the closest he's been to being full Garrett. And yet when you do watch him, there is, I still have this feeling that I think he could have JJ. Obviously, he's a different type of player, but just like blow the rest of the league out of the water type seasons.

And it still feels like, like there is a chance that that is in front of him, Patrick. He is, he's like a required watch. Right. Yeah, it's, which is, which is, so different like in this 2020 world where like even on video games like people don't even play defense anymore they just sims straight to the offense and offense gets so much energy and so much attention but like when the browns are playing like you're watching number 95 to see what he can do and like like we've all said like that moment with mason rudolph where something happened we don't know

what it was two people on earth know what happened uh it's weird that people could make a statement as to what did or didn't happen other than the people involved but Ultimately, like, he's a spectacular football player, and I'm glad. Like, I'm glad that the Browns were able to kind of look past this, and he can get his money, and he can hit quarterbacks legally, like, with his pads and not with their own helmets. Right. The defensive line there, it never, didn't quite live up to the billing that we expected going into last year.

But it's all, they're all still there. Olivier Vernon's still there. Played pretty well when he was healthy. Sheldon Richardson played pretty well. Ogun Joby did not have a great year. But, like, that defense is still there and should be. great. There's a lot about the Browns that should be better this year. Hopefully we can see that. Hopefully we can also see Jason Peters. Your boy, Colleen, at Gar. Oh, yeah. He's back. I know Eagles fans

are excited, but I think the Eagles organization was excited, too, that nobody wanted to sign Jason Peters to play tackle, because I think they actually felt like Jason Peters can still play, that he played pretty well for us last year. It just didn't make sense to bring him back as a tackle because we have guys that tackle and once he just couldn't get a job and all he could get was kind of a low deal to play guard for the Eagles. It's like he's back and I think he's going to be a Hall of Fame or someday and it looks like he'll end his career with Philadelphia. It's just, it was meant to be, I think, Rosie. That's sort of my feeling on it. I mean, it is, it is interesting if he does actually play guard, it'll be the first time. And he's obviously, you know, an amazing player. He's

super talented, but he's also switching from the left side to the right side. So there will be a learning curve. But think about that right side of the line. What a party that is. I mean, you got Jason Kelsey, Jason Peters, and Lane Johnson. And Lane Johnson was supposed to replace Jason Peters back when they brought, when they drafted him. So I feel like it's, it's very odd just to see him coming back. I mean, when I was starting college, Jason Peters was just starting with the Eagles. So I feel like he's really been there forever. I remember writing Roda World posts about this tight end, Jason Peters, you know. I really do. Like it doesn't look like he's athletic, but it doesn't look like it's working out. They might move him to tackle, which is usually like,

okay, this dude's career is over. Didn't know that that way. Well, we've, we've done enough news. I'm excited now. I'm excited to get to this idea that Colleen had, which is show and tell. It should be... My ideas have been brilliant, I feel like, today, right? They really have. You made the show for us. I don't want to keep everyone too long. I know Patrick, you might need to jump off at some point.

Tell us if you are. Yeah, I'm monitoring my phone extensively. We'll see what the news overlords at NFL would like to do. So you have the idea, Colleen, even though it is an audio show, we are taping it on video. And you just wanted to do a quick show and talk because you've been, what, going around? and packing your boxes this week. Can't you hire someone for that? I'm not hiring somebody to pack the boxes.

I'm going to hire somebody to help physically move out because these guns aren't going to be able to carry credenzas out of this house. I'm telling you, when Wes and I moved to L.A., the NFL shockingly paid for a moving service that we didn't have to do anything. They just showed up, like, magazines were out, and they just, and man, I, I never want to live another way. They touched your stuff? You have them pack all of your stuff?

I mean, you could take, you could separate whatever you don't want them to pack that you wanted to keep separate, you know, because we weren't going to have it for a few weeks, you know, because they had to go in a U-Haul across the country and whatnot. But yeah, they basically did it all. It was amazing. Like your underwear and everything? I would pay, like I don't pay for a lot of things and whatever. I'll drive lousy cars my whole life. But whenever I move next, I'm doing that again because it was, it's, it's. It was a life changer.

Fancy. I, even if it wasn't a pandemic, I still don't know if I would be okay. Have somebody else come in and like pack all of my stuff. I would feel so weird about it. I'd be like, can I help you with anything? Is there anything I can get you? Yeah, we left. We left the house.

I can't. Yeah, I would have to. I don't know. I guess that sounds wonderful. You weren't even there? It sounds like a great experience. I think one of us stayed at all times, but the other and our daughter, you know, left. So one person hung out.

Yeah, sorry for distracting what show and tell really should be all about color. What a different experience. I mean, I could just show and tell you all of the boxes that are like in around this place. There's a lot, but it is an audio program. So I understand. Okay, so my show and tell, a couple things I found while I was packing here, I still have my Super Bowl can betty in a zip lock bag. I feel like I should have done something cooler with it by now because we are well past.

when the Eagles won. So maybe I should, like, put it in a frame or something with a ticket. I don't know. Something more sentimental than a Ziplog baggie of confetti that was just shoved in my nightstand. So I found that. Pick up the confetti and then, like, but I don't know if people really want that and, like, send it to, like, if I know the fan of that team.

But it's like, I don't know if people, do people want the confetti? I've always wondered that. Sometimes as like a gift, I'll, like, throw in a couple of pieces. But it's dwindling now. So I might, that might be over. Okay. So this is one of my favorite, one of my favorite things. It's an eagle t-shirt, but it was my mom's. So it's like legit OG. And it's the softest thing in the world. And my, the reason I found it was because, well, I've had it at my house for a while. But the reason I initially found it at my parents was because my mom was using it as a rag to clean the house. There's a metaphor in there somewhere. A rag bin with a bunch of, like, other old cool t-shirts that I pulled out.

And I was like, what are you doing with these? Give me this. So it is one of the coolest things ever. And it's like so worn that you could, I can see you guys through it. Can you even wear it anymore? It's just sort of an artifact. I wear it, but I feel like it's going to fall apart every time I do wear it. So, yeah, it's not long for this.

world for sure. Thanks, Mom. So that's it. I thought you were going to have a lot. I could watch this. Well, I have other stuff. I have a license play on a video cover. I have an old pennant that my dad's from the basement, which is really cool. And then this like old Eagles football that I have in the background of my shots. So it's my brother. Are you going to get a shot set up next week? being on TV again is that why you have to go to work no the shot is still up that's like the only

thing that's not packed it's like still just like sitting and it's who's your um favorite team calling yeah do you like a football team i guess it would be um the philadelphia eagles wow look that yeah this is from 1979 1980 okay i'm done all right well hold on one second He's wearing basketball sports? He is wearing shorts. Yeah, I'm over. They're basketball shorts, right? I wear basketball shorts when I'm, like, working at the station.

So, like, this is nothing new. Like, it's weird to see, like, people being like, oh, I'm wearing, I'm wearing shorts, like, in quarantine life. And I'm like, you're not about this life. Like, I've been doing this since, like, people have been hate. He was born into it. Wow. All right.

So, a little backstory. I met my wife on Twitter. I was covering the Alabama, Tennessee game in Knoxville. We're talking on text, and I catch a wild hair to drive to Charlotte and meet her. And so that was like weird and risky. I drove to the YMC. Romantic shower. Yeah.

I love the story. Got a thrift store shirt and went up, you know, of course, knocked on the door. She opened it. She was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen my life. You know, we got married, whatever. but I pulled this horrible looking like buttoned down collar like it's it's super ratty it sucks but I pulled it out when we're in Costa Rica I wore when I asked her to marry me I told her I was emotional and in shambles but yeah this is a this is a shirt that sucks but is awesome

and I love it so that's it's it people should check out you you told it on Twitter as well I feel like during this pandemic, people should go check that out. So great. Yeah. And then there was like a sci-fi thing, a joke in there, right? As I recall. Yeah. We watched sci-fi movies and texted back and forth.

It was super cheesy. I'm a big dork. And this, like, if I put this shirt on, like, this, I'm not very good at fashion and, like, this shirt sucks, but I'm never getting one of it. I never. I love that you kept it. That's great. What do you got, Mina?

So mine's not as cute or, you know, charming like Colleen's, but today on, while I was taking highly questionable this morning and talking about Dak Prescott, making my incredible hoisted by his own pittard reference. El Duncan. Do you think like bringing it up again, it's going to like work better the more you bring it up? We've hit a patar it like record. We've got to bring it up a third time. I actually think it makes it gets smarter and smarter the more I use it.

And anyways, L. Duncan was on the show with me, and she had this analogy about the quarterback market and Beanie Babies. So then we all started talking about Beanie Babies. And I remembered that I had a Beanie Baby. I have a lot of stuffed animals. Unfortunately, affirming every possible stereotype about me as an Asian American woman who covers the NFL. I fucking loves. Are you allowed to cuss on this? Sorry.

I have so many stuffed animals. I just think they're so cute. And I get, I mean, I don't know. Like, people, maybe that's surprising because I have, I'm kind of a broish job or whatever, but I have like a hundred stuffed animals. Wow. Kind of. I am surprised.

Colleen has a shocked face right now. I love them. I want to know where you keep them. I can show you. I mean, there's some up. I don't want to like mess up my audio setup, but there's like 20 up there. There's a couple on my shelf. Anyway, so I was like, oh, yeah, I think I got a beanie baby laying around.

So I grabbed it. It's a bat. you guys can see it's a little bad um the official tie name is baddie i call it radar they all have names too and voices and anyways on the air uh l duncan was like what looked it up and it turns out this is worth a thousand dollars oh wait for real yeah this are you going to get rid of it baby no i mean i then i'd have to like you know figure out the website where you say i don't know yeah i just you know that's a bit worth a thousand now exactly In 30 years, maybe if you really

Yeah, just like Doc Prescott. So I love this little bat. And so people maybe make fun of me for loving stuffed animals, but who's laughing now? I'm laughing all the way to the bank that I'll never go to because I'll never do, you know, take the effort to tell it. But you're sitting on a gold bind. Apparently.

Apparently, I am. That's great. Wow. Mine, yeah, mine's not as cute or anything like that. I was looking around for like something that would be good to have. And I'm not super sentimental which maybe isn't a shock I don't keep a lot of stuff

well not in terms of objects you know I'm not a big keeper I like throwing things away but I found randomly I found this disposable camera and it's from and it's from with the crank on the back

and everything and it's from 2001 so I am really excited now after looking through some drawers to like go to Right Aid or Walgreens and see what develops on this thing. That's what I'm excited about. I also have two things like calling one, not just one. I've been wanting to get like my grandfather's painting in the background of my shot.

So I have a lot of his paintings. He was a painter. He was an art professor in Berlin in the 1930s and 40s. He left in 1941 so you can kind of do the math there, which is crazy but I just thought it'd be fun to have like a little Heinz Rosenthal Oh my goodness

Around the NFL podcast And so now this is my To do it And he does a lot of different sort of styles And had his own different eras But I think this is like From the 1930s which is crazy Have you named it? Does I have a name?

No but it's always the one Like there's a handful of them That I always bring around And I always like her So she's traveled with me from New Orleans, you know, to New York to here. I should name it though. That's a good idea. I know.

I should figure out a way to put it in my background. That's my show and tell. Shout out to Heinz-Rosel. Yeah. Wow, I feel like I've learned a lot about you guys. It was good. It was another home run, Colleen. I mean, we're here in July, you know.

There's a lot of down news out there. And I think you brought a smile to people. face just by showing up when when will we see you again calling feel like it might be a while um Monday back on back at it on Monday total access today total access yeah to be clear not on our podcast you're not going to slum it with us again oh well but maybe the week after because I'm off again so we'll see I'm trying to do like I work for a week and then I take a vacation this is just my first try how to throw so we'll see take like the week off week off we got You don't have to show up here.

I do thank you all for coming and helping out when I know you're very busy. Mina, you're on highly questionable this week. You're on first take. You've got your podcast with Lenny that drops every, what, Tuesday night or Wednesday morning. Usually Tuesday or Wednesday. Daily. I mean, it's a lot. No, no, Pablo Tori's taking over at ESPN daily.

I saw that, but I saw you've still been doing it. So, you know. Yeah, you got to come back on Meantime Show. We're doing division previews. This week, we did the AFC West next week, NSC North. Hmm. And to any listeners out there, we will be back on Monday before we go. Just as we were wrapping up on this podcast, the Washington Post reported that 15 female former employees say they were sexually harassed during their time with the 10.

team you probably know there's been a lot of whispers about what was going to come out about Washington this week and this was it a couple personnel department employees were fired over the weekend it involves allegations against them against their longtime broadcaster Larry Michael who's also no longer now with the team but we we will see how the team handles this they did release a statement while we do not speak to specific employee situations publicly when new allegations of conduct are brought forward that are contrary to these policies, we will address them promptly. And, yeah, this is a time of transition to say the least for the Washington team.

And I'm sure we'll have more updates on that as we know more. What an offseason it's been. Thanks for sticking around with us. We're almost there. On paper, training camp is starting soon. We will let you know if that changes when we know. that's it rickie love you guys i miss you for coline wolf we're rickie hollywood patrick claybon and our special guest mina kimes

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