NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Dolphins News and Stuff That Brings Us Joy

Episode Date: March 24, 2022

A room filled with some heroes – Gregg Rosenthal, Marc Sessler, Henry Hodgson and Patrick Claybon bring you all of the latest news in the NFL including Tyreek Hill and Terron Armstead to the Dolphins, Panthers and Baker Mayfield having a “mutual disinterest,” and Malcolm Butler returning to the Patriots. We debut a PG segment called “Stuff That Brings Us Joy.”NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Smells like Middle Age spirit. From the Chris Wessling podcast studio. My name is Greg Rosenthal in a room stuffed with heroes here. We've got Mark Sessler, Patrick Claibon, and for the first time in the Chris Wesleying podcast studio, one of the most powerful men in the NFL who roots for one of the most powerful teams of Miami Dolphins. It's Henry Hodgson. Correct on the second count, not the first count.

Well, they're right at the top of the news. Maybe we'll just dive right in there here. That's why you're here, Henry. but you should have been here before. It is nice to have people here in the podcast, the Chris Wesleying podcast studio for the first time. It feels like home. It's beautiful to be here.

And Claibon back, we realized you hadn't even, I don't think that did a podcast with us until last week in the studio either. Just continuing my mission to sit in all of these chairs. I'm sick of like the Zoom podcast. Even when it's just me and Dan doing it, Mark. And sometimes you got it because of life comes in,

but that's not it. like the flexibility of it. I'm with you. It has, it grew tired in it, in what it was, doing them from home. I like also, Henry is wearing these, all these official badges today. I know. I just, but before we, just before we started, said to Patrick, no one else is wearing this, should I take them off? And he said, no, just so that we could have this conversation. You know what happened to me? Well, I just wanted you to be comfortable. I wanted to do. I had my badge, um, in my car, which I did just keep it for easy access to get in the building, right? Yeah. And my car was broken into, um, in my driveway.

And I discovered, like, all my... Wait, when? Just like, it was, you know, a couple days ago. And, like, but my car is a new. It's a new lease car, so I have nothing in it. So the robber was clearly annoyed because, like, they rifled through the papers and they took nothing except my NFL bed. No. Yeah.

If they would have done this a month ago or, like, before the Super Bowl, that would have been an international incident. It's been a problem right now. I'm not sure what they're aiming to do now, but... What if for the show later in the week or... TV show if that person shows up in your place and tries to join the show. I saw kind of this sketchy guy, you know, middle-aged guy doing expenses and watching Ninja at a random I mean, if he wants to do my share of work, I'd be absolutely fine with it. I can't believe you buried that lead. You didn't even mention that to us. I feel like you've had your car

broken into multiple times in LA. Isn't that true though? That's happened more than once to you. What? Your car getting broken into. No, once. That was you, Henry, right? Wasn't your car broken into? Maybe it was Wes. He left. I've had my car broken into here. Yeah, you tweeted about this whole long story.

You had a whole car breaking. Let's not go down that. But you wearing the lanyard actually, landiards, I should say, because Henry's got the ID and the close contact beeping thing that shows if you're too close, which you are right now to Claybond. Inevitable.

Wes would have hated this setup because he famously refused. to wear a lanyard because he thought it was a sign of the man winning. And you know what? I was in exactly the same camp. Never wore the lanyard in the old office. And there was no, there was nothing else to go with. Yeah, I will, in honor of Wes, I don't know it either.

Drip the mic cable all the way around. Just tighten it slowly through the show. And now this episode is going to be titled Lanyard. Right, it's Lanyard. I do enjoy how Mark just floated it out there that there was a break in. potential NFL identity theft. So when the random guy comes in in the next couple of weeks and he's like, hey,

I'm Marks. Have you contacted security at the NFL? Absolutely. I went through all the correct protocols. That reminds me of another story where NFL security famously called me into an office because they were worried

that West might have drowned. Well, I mean, well, we can get into that story another time. Dan and I spent eight hours to robin around town looking for it. We told the story on the podcast before. But yeah, that was a crazy story. And it was like, nope, I just got a text from Wes a few hours ago. He was also, like, after we had been pursuing him, I'm not kidding, like, to the point where Dan I hung out for three hours, going to all the haunts that we knew of where Wes would go.

Wes ultimately was just annoyed at Dan and I that we were going to go on the pursuit. He was snooping up. It's like, I'm an adult. Like Wes and Dan were like, what? Go check out every, like, dive bar on the West side. Oh, yeah, like, we're there. We're his best friends. We're going to do this.

Greg, you don't know. You're not needed. We did it for Wes's friendship. No, you were on a different part of the case. But of course, Henry is here because the Miami Dolphins are front and center with the news. It has finally slowed down, I would say. The free agency frenzy, this was the big news item over the last two days. But otherwise, it has quieted down.

That's a dangerous thing. But I'm excited to talk about this Dolphins news, and so let's get into it, Ricky. Erica really making stuff happen random conversation over a hibiscus cooler in the huddle the next thing I am on this text chain That was Henry's text To our short-lived group text

Of this particular combination of our show That was beautiful That was good producing how I speak as well That was great producing by Ricky She saw Henry She thought he'd be a great addition to the show And it was a great idea Because who better to talk about

a Tyreek Hill trade. And, oh, by the way, the Tehran Armstead signing, the number one overall free agent on the top 101 on NFL.com also happened. But the Tyreek Hill Trade is the headliner. It's the stunner. They gave up a lot to get him. Henry, they gave up a first round pick, a second round pick, two-fourths and a six.

And, oh, by the way, gave him the biggest contract ever, depending on how you want to measure it for a wide receiver, but certainly in terms of guaranteed money, it basically comes down to 25 a year for the next three years. They aren't going all in on this season, but they are going all in on Tyreek Hill and what the next few years of Tyreek Hill

could be in this offense. What was your reaction as a Dolphins fan, Henry? I was excited because the dolphins have been trapped in like 1997 for a long time in terms of the offense that they put on the field. And while every other team in the league, League seems to be, you know, like marching towards the next millennium, the dolphins were definitely very stuck in the 90s. The best offensive player they've had in the last 20 years

is Ricky Williams. And that's not, that's not exaggeration. That's nothing. Come on. They have not had, tell me a superstar they've had on offense. Greg, that's Arronda Gadsden Slander. Ricky was good. I don't even know if Ricky was better than Reggie Bush as a dolphin. Reggie Bush had like two good years in Miami. But this is exactly. That's sad. I would say Jalen Waddle would be then, but that's a bit of a projection. That's a projection.

A bit, not much of one. I feel like I'm confident. And exactly. And I think that's why I'm excited because suddenly in the last couple weeks, yes, Tyreek kills the headline, but they've added a ton of speed to that offense.

And all of a sudden, and you've got Mike McDaniel, who I definitely believe, can do something and, again, move that from 1997 to at least current times and push the whole thing and make them exciting to watch.

It hasn't been, like the Dolphins, As a Dolphins fan, you've had to be like, yeah, but we've got a pretty good defense, and that's all you've been able to say for the last 20 years. And you've had some Jason Taylor and Zach Thomases and people to kind of support that. But right now, this is exciting because for the first time, I'm looking forward to them having the ball rather than trying to stop the team that has the ball. Selene Dion's falling into you. All of 1997 catching straight from here today. My reaction was that this can work.

Honestly, you have to add in this Ron Armstead. circumstance to the entire situation because he's anchored some of the best offenses in the football for the past 15 to 17 years. And it makes everything viable. Like everything where you would say, oh, you know, the dolphins have got some nice pieces, but I don't know if this all works with Taran Armstead there, even though two is left-handed, it works. It simply works because he's going to have the opportunity to be successful, regardless of whether or not you think he can do it, he will at least have the opportunity, which is more than a lot of quarterbacks can say. But listening to Ian and my talk about the pursuit of Tyree Kill yesterday from the Jets and the Dolphins. It made me think about both Mike McDaniel and Robert Sala being on the other sideline in Hard Rock Stadium where Tyree Kill is taking the dream of the rest of their life away. They'll be in banquets eating stale chicken talking about the wind and the Super Bowl and Jimmy G and everything coming back to Santa Clara. And that didn't happen specifically because of what Tyree Kill can do on the...

Dang. And so they were traumatized and they were traumatized. and they would like to have him on their team ruining somebody else's life. And Mike McDaniel pulled it all. It was very expensive. Wait, can we talk about the elephant from here? Ricky keeps showing an extreme close-up of Claibon.

The choker. The choker around the neck is just... It's got the wire around her neck. Yeah, we'll keep tightening it. Well, I'll put it directly in my face. It's a little distracting. It's a little too much for me. Very tight one shot.

He's so beautiful. We'd rather look at him. The rest of you guys. No one is complacent. It's just so tight. This is one of the most handsome sides of our podcast table we've ever had with Henry Hodgson and Yeah, one part literally. It definitely is.

I mean, Dan is also very handsome, but it's the power combo of the two of you. That side's nice as well. No, it is. It's fine. It's struggling. It's struggling. I think this is like reminds me of exactly what Shanahan did when he went to San Francisco from Atlanta.

It was like, use that first free agency period. to bum rush and bring everyone in that fits your offense. And the Dolphins, if anything, have been active. They have been so focused on getting his offense up to speed and had to be the offensive line. I hope this doesn't give like Mike Wallace vibes, though,

because one thing about Tyreek Hill is like the chiefs decided... He's not Mike Wallace. No, I mean, he is a completely different special player, but you're signing up for this part of his career at a massive price tag in an offense where I think the big issue could be the kind of

player the Tua is. He's not a deep ball pastor. We know that. And so they're going to have to use Tyreek Hill, and that's where you do have trust in Mike McDaniel in a way that totally maximizes him if the quarterback isn't maybe a perfect fit. I mean, it's obviously we all know it, an acid test season for Tua. Yeah, I want to get back to the Jets in their offseason and the chiefs and what's next. But when you look at McDaniel with this group and thinking about that Falcons team, for instance, that Kyle Shanahan had, that team was about speed. Wes loved that team. It was a really unique one

because it was one of the first that kind of looked at it like, we need four receivers. Yeah, we got Julio, and in this case, you know, Tyreek Hill and Jalen Wattle are both worthy of being called number one type of receivers.

But we need four of them. And they've got Devante Parker, who I think is a really useful goal. I think Devonte Parker will be within the next week. I think Vonte Parker will be gone. They signed Cedric Wilson. I was sitting excited about Cedric Wilson. Parker does something different than those guys.

He's a physical. deep receiver but he does it at a cost and i think if he's your fourth receiver and he probably is the fourth receiver of that team i i think you might find devonte parker gone and maybe they maybe they draft someone to deep draft for receivers maybe they find that that role um at a cheaper price point but the thing is the context on that cost has changed this offseason just a little bit so it doesn't look as bad as it is it used to considering like if you look elsewhere in the state right in terms of what Christian Kirk or like a Steve Jones or really getting like Devonte's not hurting you. Right.

The receiver's making 8, 9, 10, like even Corey Davis's contract to me looks much better this year than it did a year ago. But that Falcons team was all about speed, like Taylor Gabriel, Tevin Coleman. It's certainly Sunu and Jones did different things. But when McDaniel talked about how Jalen Waddle was going to have a great season at the Combine, he was very clear about it. He's just like, there's no magic to it. It's just like get your extremely talented players the ball as many times as possible.

And that was what he was good at doing with Debo in San Francisco and his other playmakers in San Francisco and even the running backs in space in San Francisco. And I think they'll do that good job with Chase Edmonds and Rahim Moster with that in Miami. You don't necessarily need guys going deep to take advantage of their speed. That was one of the things that Henry Ruggs was good at in college and was starting to get good at in the pros. you don't need to go deep to take advantage of 4-2 speed. You need to get them the ball in space

and have blockers in situations that they can make plays. And Waddle and Tyree Kelt to me are so similar in a lot of ways that, I don't know, man. I don't know how you can exactly defend those guys because they both are going to be guys you would love to send two defenders towards. And then you've got Rahim Moster, you've got Chase Edmund, who are both some of the faster running backs in the league and who are great at running routes

and catching the ball. You've got Mike Gassiki, who's a fast tank. I like Mike Gassetti. I forgot about him. I think the whole package is great. The elephant in the room is Tua. And can he drive that car or is he going to crash it? And that's the question that needs to be answered.

Their draft situation, though, an offseason from now is fine. Yep. And so if they needed to make a change, they'd be in actually a really good place. So it's kind of, you know, I hate to think about Tua spending another campaign where all these sort of whisper ideas of who could replace that you dealt with that all last season. Well, he's going to face it this season. Teddy Bridgewater was asked in his press conference

where you told you were going to be the backup. And Teddy was like, I don't want to talk about it. I'm not even saying this as a bit. I don't want to talk about it. He said he did not want to say what Mike McDaniel said to him because I bet Mike McDaniel said, look, man, if you are clearly the best quarterback on the team at some point like you're going to play, we're going to give you that opportunity.

Why wouldn't he say that? Right. Why wouldn't anybody say that? Right. Tua is not Baker Mayfield. He's not Carson Wins. I don't think it matters. I honestly don't think it matters that it's like, oh, this guy came in and he might be better than me, so I'm bad now.

I think it's a pointless idea. I think it's completely vapid. I think you're going to get from Tua what you get from Tua in the first place. But no defensive coordinator in America is going to say, oh, well, you know, if Jalen or Tarek get behind us, then that's okay because Tua can't throw the ball that far. You still have to cover the guys. Right, right. You still have to have the people there.

And as Hank mentioned, with Rahim Moster doing what he can do, I think he's a still over five and a half yards of carry for his career. And Edmonds, I love a Jason. If you're backpedaling to have to be concerned about those guys, then you're going to be soft on the edges and they're going to get you. And any quarterback can throw it wide open. Two and on got all up in their feelings because I sent a joke out about, you know, how the dolphins are building up this powerhouse for Teddy.

That was even before. Well, I think you believe that. No, it's a joke. I actually, in Henry knows this. I think I'm higher than consensus on Tua how he's been so far and how he can be as a pro. I always thought he was going to be a bit of a slow burn in terms of the things that he does well are going to take time to develop. Mentally, I think he's going to get better and better. He's already so advanced in terms of going through his progressions, getting the ball out quickly, being decisive, like, that's what Tua does well.

And it doesn't pop off the screen. He's been compared to Drew Breeze, and Drew Breeze wasn't popping off the screen early. I'm not saying he's going to get to that. But guys like that, guys like an Alex Smith who have to win a little differently. Like, I think it takes them a little time to develop because they're not as talented. He's just not as physically talented. But he is excellent at Quick Game stuff. Like, I don't need to see anymore.

He's already a mid-level-ish starting quarterback because he has a very clear strength. And I think that strength matches up very well with Mike McDaniel. You know, it just happens to be like the same strength that Teddy has, essentially. They're very similar players. And Tua, I think, has a higher ceiling now because we've seen a lot of Teddy. And he might have like a slightly lower floor than Teddy. And you're going to get to see it because I think this offensive line will be better. Not because it's our armstead only.

You got to be as good as like your worst two or three guys because of the coaching. Offensive line, I think is about coaching and they've had terrible coaching. And I think the coaching will be better. And I think Tua is really set up to succeed. So calm down to Anon. I think you're going to be fine because he's going to be good. I would just support you on that one. To anon, Greg is a closet dolphins fan.

Has been for many years. It was a big, big, Ryan Tannahill supporter. Greg is... And a big Brian Flores guy. That thought they were very watchable. Mark enjoyed that 2019 or 2020 Dolphins experience. You were into the Flores team. At least we know who's calling the plays now.

Right. I think that matters. That was a total hot mess. mess the way that they handled that. And it got worse and worse because there was a third figure involved who was essentially working with Tua because the other two couldn't coordinators couldn't have a relationship with them. The interesting thing is one of that three is still on the team coaching a position.

So I don't know how he's going to be feeling about not calling plays or not. Right. I'm putting a lot into McDaniel just like being good and just like assuming, oh yeah, he's the next Shanahan or like he's going to be the next Lafleur and McVeigh. Like you still got to do that. You've got to overcome what a lot of coaches have not been able to in Miami, which is a culture of losing for a long time. I feel like when a team doesn't get over the hump for 20-something years,

there's a fundamental reason for that. And Brian Flores pointed out some of those reasons on his way out the door. And so McDaniel's still going to have to overcome all that, and that's a concern, but they're going to be fun to watch. I would just say McDaniel, like the overall scenario, but McDaniel is brought into a situation where he is paired with the general manager who's been in that building forever

and has the owner's ear over everyone else and he's paired with the quarterback he didn't pick. So there are parts here that could maybe go a little ill and I want to project it positively if you have people saying. Thank you very much Mark and again April is a wonderful time. No one has to be on the field. Everything looks beautiful. It's all on paper.

I guarantee you I'll be disappointed in October but I'm just enjoying this moment And if you'd allow me to do that, that would be more. Yeah, I remember the first time I think, or one of the first times I was slacking a lot with Henry. I wrote an article in 2012, my first year at the NFL. I still was working in the NFL, I mean, in New York and crown the offseason champion. I thought it might be like a annual bit. I think I only did it once.

And the Miami Dolphins were that year's off-season team. Well, that was Mike Wallace. That was Mike Wallace and Mario Williams. With the second one with Sue. But off-season championships are so much better now. They include awesome players like Tehran Armstead and Tyson. re-kill and a lot more like the NFL has just been different. If Dan was hosting this show, we would have moved on to the next topic.

We have got to move on 10 minutes ago. I do want to say, though, the Jets have... That is on my radar. This is like the only important news item. The rest of them we can go through quickly. The Jets have lost out on a lot of these little sweepstakes. And I think they've had a good offseason in terms of the guys that they've added, but I think they're disappointed with missing some big swings.

Marcus Williams, this one. There's been a handful of them. And then the Chief's decision to trade Tyree Kill, I think we should just talk about. Because they're the team that matters out of these two teams over the last year. Over the last few years, they are the dominant team in the NFL right now with Patrick Mahomes. They have two overtime, AFC championship losses, a Super Bowl loss, and a title in the last four years. And they're deciding to move on from their core piece. I would say their most important piece behind Mahomes along with Travis Kelsey.

I found that really fascinating because at some point they made the decision to move on. Yes, they were offering them a big contract and they would have happy to keep them. I don't think it says any, I don't necessarily think it says anything about Tyree Kill,

but at some point they kind of decided this isn't worth it for the amount we can get for Tyree Kill, we'd actually rather get rid of them because if they wanted to, they could have signed them to that contract and kept them and they decided not to. I see your point.

I don't take it quite that far. I think it's not a, a global statement on the value of a Tyree Kill. But you mentioned the amount of success that they've all had together. There's so much tape of the Kansas City Chiefs and Tyree Kill and Patrick Mahomes. Teams have built their entire roster structure in order to stop this team. I think it could be a case of the Chiefs trying to zig now that everybody else has zagged to deal with that particular offense.

And we saw it the way that they covered the Chiefs, the way that they covered Tyree Kill, perhaps. They thought there might be the mission returns. That's what's going into it, too. He's getting older, and they got a ton. I thought they got a totally fair value. I think it was a win for the Dolphins, but I thought the Chiefs made, it sort of made sense to me somehow, even though it was getting rid of Tyreego because of what they got

and because of the cap situation. Well, they're banking on Patrick Mahomes working well with whoever's in it wide receiver. That actually has not, it's not as if they've drafted guys who have already passed through the system and they didn't flourish the way that some projected. They haven't found the next Tyreek Hill when they've looked for that kind of speed. So I saw stuff yesterday where the football world was getting a little too excited about what the Chiefs did, in my opinion, because I like the fact that it's forward-thinking, and I think it was shrewd because if you give Tyreek Hill that money, we've seen that video game,

and we know it works. We know that they can dominate teams with Tyreek Hill, with Mahomes, with Kelsey. You're banking on the fact that you're going to go find a crop of other receivers this off-season that can, they have to equal what Tyreek Hill gives you. There's other ways to do that. We trust Andy Reid too. But part of me just feels like this was what the chiefs were. You're taking a major piece out of the puzzle.

And good teams, rebuild, reload, and they find the next Tyreek Hill. I mean, we've seen the Patriots over the years do this a hundred times and sell high on a player. And then three years later, it's like, the dolphins made the mistake here. Tyreek Hill was good for two more seasons. And then he got disgruntled and he's on another team. Right. But, I mean, Tyree Kill is hard to replace. It's one thing to say you replace.

facing a, you know, a number one receiver. But he's one of the two or three non-quarterback best, you know, weapons, skill position guys that can score from any point on the field. There aren't many of those guys out there. So I think trying to say, we're going to go draft that guy is pretty difficult. But they didn't, they didn't mean to draft Tyree Kill when they drafted Tyree Kill. Right. They were the ones that stood by him when he was under investigation from the NFL,

under investigation from authorities. and they ended up giving them another contract pretty soon after that. This was the moment they decided, okay, it's been a great partnership, but maybe now it's time to have a divorce. I find that interesting, and I think they are confident in their organization, especially offensively, that they can fill it in, and it's not about time. Well, good luck to them, because as we all indicated, there's not a lot of people on the planet that can get the football anywhere on the field,

and it's, he might score. It makes the margins so slim for D. There's also not a lot of, there's almost no one on the planet that can get the ball too tight in anywhere on the field. For some of those big plays, it was the combination. It'll be fascinating to see the Chiefs this year. I do not like that they like their odds somehow changed for the AFC West title and their Super Bowl odds changed.

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We've got the insight to help you crush your opponents. to the NFL fantasy football podcast on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. All right, now we got to just zoom through this. Sorry to Theron Armstead, you know, like the number one guy. He'll be, he's really good. He's been really good for a long time.

He's been really good. He's missed a lot of time, and that's the only reason why he was as relatively cheap as he was. He's still got a lot of guaranteed money, but not maybe the huge. like record-setting contract that some people expected, but that's because he's missed five games on average for about five years. So that's something they have to think about. Baker Mayfield has been in the news, but not really. It's been just about how teams aren't going after Baker-Mayfield.

It's almost felt like a piling on. Like the Panthers kind of put it out there quickly that they weren't going to go after him. And then we got the classic reporting from my old colleague at Pro Football Talk, Aaron Wilson, who said that the Panthers and Baker had mutual disinterest in each other, which definitely felt like, oh, this girl, like, doesn't like me. Well, I don't like her either. Like that it just wasn't a great moment.

I feel like in this tough Baker Mayfield off season, there was a report from Mary Kay Cabot that maybe the Seahawks would be in at the right price. Where else is there? I feel like that's in the location that made sense to begin with. And if you're interested even vaguely in Baker Mayfield, you do the opposite. what the Washington commanders did, which was, you know, panic and overpay for something that has question marks attached to it. Sit around and wait. Right. So early on that. Sit and wait because the Browns are going to have to give him a way. It's a salary. It's essentially

like we need to get Baker Mayfield's salary off our books. And so their ability to trade them for value is just lower and lower and the landing spots are lower and lower. And there's a draft coming up. Why go get Baker Mayfield if you're the Seahawks if you want to go get Malik Willis or someone else. It's like Baker Mayfield's going to have to sit and wait, I think, for a landing spot. The reason he and Jimmy G. will is because invariably three to four quarterbacks while their body's shattered

in August and then you can sell high. I don't think it'll take till August. I think it'll be the draft. Sure, after the draft, but I think even during the draft, but I think it could be a case of the Seahawks saying to the Browns, we'll take it, send us a pick rather than the other way. See, that seems crazy to me.

I also saw something that the Panthers didn't think that he was a big enough upgrade on a significant upgrade on Sam Darnold. It's like this is the organization that brought you the decisions to guarantee San Arnold two years. He is a significant upgrade on Sam Darno. I don't necessarily buy

that he's like a great idea for them and maybe even they put it out there so that they can just offer a fifth round pick during the draft and happily get him for cheap, but he's much, let's not, I'm pushing back on like, let's not go too far on that Baker is a total bum. He's an NFL

quarterback. Sam Darnold is a total bum. Well, I think also like... He's one of the worst starting quarterbacks who's had his amount of starts since we've been doing this. There's something else going on with Baker, though, too. You give Greg an opportunity to pull back on the

shifter and he like jams it in the third gear. I mean, it's... Are you... No. At this point, he should not be starting any NFL games where it's like Baker Mayfield should be starting NFL game. I'm totally with you. I don't believe that Sam Donald will be starting NFL games either, though.

I would put it past the NFL to Sam Darnold to be starting in 2022 somewhere. I do think, right, because it doesn't matter to me. I think the whole idea is pointless of like Baker Mayfield being a bad influence in the locker room. And so like you can't have him around a Ricky quarterback. I don't think it's true. But I think some teams might because there's these people come from a different era. And if you're going to draft a Ricky quarterback, maybe they think, well, Baker's going to come in and frown. And then he's not going to be good at football anymore, which again is a dumb idea.

but I think some teams might believe that, as Mark said, I think. Well, they might believe that he doesn't engender consistent goodwill from his teammates, which you want out of your quarterback. Well, I would ask this. With all that's happened, how many Browns players tweeted publicly at Baker Mayfield, we love you, we support you. I'm not saying none, but it's been a whisper. And it's just like I think the teams post OBJ and why he left and what happened with all that,

that was about as messy as possible for Baker Mayfield, his stock has dropped as far as any quarterbacks in the league. I mean, it's kind of stunning where we were two weeks ago when we talked to Tony Grosy with the possibility that the Browns would maybe be looking for a Derek car instead of Baker Mayfield. Instead, everything happened the way it did. And Baker Mayfield has no job right now.

I think he can repair his reputation, though, but it comes with winning. Seattle's perfect. Seattle's perfect. I just feel like if he gets there, they're going to be annoyed. Pete Carroll does not want to rebuild. There's something in me that just like,

leaves that Pete Carroll's going to cook up these like close game win magic where the running game actually does work and and it's like no one believed in us and Baker saying no one believed in us and it's like they go 10 and 7 but it's actually above expectations I see it but why would Baker needs to be somewhere where things are opened up right and he's not handing the ball off a lot and he has an opportunity to spread it around like I don't I don't know if that I guess if that's Seattle let Baker bake you mean yeah I don't know I think yeah I think having two talented receivers that you can he's not going to throw the ball that much but when he does there's a wasn't that situation in cleveland it actually fits in okay two good receivers not going to throw

the ball that much that was cleveland it actually fits i just wonder about the plan in cleveland when baker was clearly injured not hurt like he was clearly injured and it was severely affecting his ability to throw the football and he's he kept playing never thought claven would just be such a baker's i'm not i'm not defending i'm just wondering why you can to play him and why Case Keenum was the backup and why when your quarterback was playing objectively horrible football, you didn't find a better option for a team with players that could have contended, but ultimately couldn't because the quarterback was so bad. Yeah, that's on them. I agree with that. I've been very critical of the Patriots offseason

in general. It's just like bringing back all your old favorites, James White and Matthew Slater, who I love, but nothing other than that. But I got to say, say all that criticism is over now because Malcolm Butler is back on the Patriots two-year deal, one of my favorite players in NFL history, certainly Patriots history, and has had ups and downs in his career, made a lot of money, personal problems, and I'm not even joking here, I am so happy that Malcolm Butler is back with the Patriots that I don't care about the rest. They can go six and eleven. I love you. I love you, Malcolm Butler. A fly on the wall in that meeting with Belichick where it's like, well, let's go back over what happened in that Super Bowl where you were used to play me.

Wasn't it Matt Patricia that he had the beef with? Yes. Who's also back there? Matt Patricia's like deeply ensconced in the procedure at this point. He's in the program. Yeah. And he left and he since had beef with more people. And so I wonder if they've both grown after the pre-super Bowl incident.

I hope so. I hope so. And Belichick will probably be asked that question again. Can he still play? And Malcolm Butler was a sweet guy. And what happened with him from where he came from and what he turned his career into where he was really good on the Titans for seasons.

He was up and down, but he had pretty high moments. And he's had ups and downs. And he had some pretty serious sounding personal issues that prevented him from playing football a year ago. So I love this story. I'm glad he's back. And I don't know. My Walker was such a big J.C. Jackson fan.

Maybe I'll get him a Malcolm Butler shirt because I'm a big fan. And it's got to work out. He's their number one cornerback now, by the way. He really might be. I'm not even, I'm not joking. But if I told you in December, that would be where we were in middle March. Do you think the Patriots have had a got offsy? I think they're going to have, I think they're going to continue to add players because, as I've mentioned on this show.

They gave away Shaq Mason for like a bag of spoons. I found that head scratcher. That was insane. I don't know. Their top outside corners are Jalen Mills and Malcolm Butler right now. I think they're going to continue to add a lot of players. And there are a lot of players available, around 40 guys from the 101, still available, and plenty of other, like, professionals that are not on the 101.

They can also keep giving away players because that seems to be part of the plan. So spoons don't even match either. They're from different sets, and so you just put them in a bag and threw them in the camera. Some are used. All right. Finally, in the news, surprising news, this morning that a Texas, grand jury is considering another charge against Dishon Watson. This came as a big surprise because Dishon Watson's lawyer said, quote,

the criminal investigations have been completed. So that was plural investigations said completed when he released a public statement on this story when the grand jury in Harris County declined to bring charges and that was now almost two weeks ago. We thought that that was it. there's been reporting since that the Browns were aware of this. I don't know. I call into question a lot of the reporting that's happened around Deshaun Watson, just because we've now seen that it's been proven to be false.

I don't think it even matters whether they knew it or not, but this is another thing now that he's a member of the Browns that is sort of part of the experience with Deshaun Watson. It was a 10th criminal complaint. It is one of the women that is also part of the 22 civil allegations. She told police that Watson ejaculated on her during a massage appointment, and they're expected to deliberate and issue a decision Thursday or Friday. Dishon Watson was expected to meet with the media on Friday,

and that was the first thing I thought was will Dishan Watson still be meeting with the media on Friday? I mean, it's technically a – because I was like, wait, there's another grand jury because, I mean, I'm not, you know, legal stuff, sometimes not a... None of us understand this all fully, and it was very confused. Right. It happened in a different county, this particular. That's why it is a separate grand jury. I also question, did the Browns or whoever, the Saints of the Falcons, know this was going to come up this week and at the timing that it has? I mean, there's more to be seen with the Sean Watson. The other side of all this is that no matter what happens here, the NFL still in the middle of their investigation,

and deciding what to do with Sean Watson could put him in the commissioners list and he could not play all next season if that's what they felt comfortable with at their findings. I mean, it is, like the team that went and got him, you're taking on a big risk in terms of availability that could see a lot of Jacoby Brissette next season. I just don't understand how the Browns go,

how this happens a week after he starts, signs with them, and how the Browns didn't know that this was coming because clearly, again, they weren't expecting one week into, into their relationship with him for this to... They're saying they did know about it. Well, they aren't saying anything publicly,

and neither is Deshaun Watson's lawyers, which I think is, at least for now, telling, but there was reporting where Brown's sources, according to ESPN, at least, is one place I saw that, that they said they were aware of it. Well, hopefully they're going through this process, independent of everything else that takes place, right? They've made a decision to have Deshawn Watson be their quarterback,

And now from the league standpoint, from the Brown standpoint, from every team standpoint, I think you just prioritize a way to have a conversation around sexual violence and sexual assault, right, and how to prevent this in the future and not necessarily prioritizing PR or like, oh, well, we did this. And like, he's on the team now. How do you go forward? How do you address this? Well, how do you address it when he, if he is still pushing back as publicly in terms of that he didn't have done anything wrong? The truth has come out. Yeah. And so that's up to them to determine.

Like, and not just, it's not just a Brown's priority. It should be a league-wide priority. And how do we approach this discussion around sexual violence and sexual assault? Yeah. Well, I think the league, or at least portions of the league, showed us what their priority was last week. Right. And it's, it just is sort of coming with, with this trade.

And I think, you know, Browns fans are already annoyed about it and upset about it. because it's just so awkward that they can't talk about in the same way bringing a franchise changing talent to their organization in the same way that they would want to. I saw this article in the Cleveland Plain Dealer last night that Bernie Cozar and who was it? The second year cornerback on the Greg Newsom were at like a charity function, a celebration of the Browns.

And so they were talking to fans. It was in this event. And like Bernie Kosar and Greg Newsom did not know how to talk about it, didn't really want to talk about it. And they were just like, well, we're not comfortable talking about that right now. And Newsom said even as an answer to a question, like, is everyone fired up? And his answer was just like, well, we were fired up about the team we had. And he adds to it. And it's just that that is part of what you're buying as part of this.

And when you have a press conference scheduled for Friday, and it's the day that this could be coming out. it's just like here we go that's just part of the equation you have to have some sort of organizational plan not just in terms of this but really in everything you would like to see this is this is the strategy this is how we're going to approach this these are the people we're prioritizing in this conversation and this is the result that we would like to get but it's it seems like last minute adjusting to the news of yesterday constantly and like statements and that's who knows right and we're look Believe me, we're sick of talking about it.

The next segment on this show is almost directly related to Deshawn Watson. It's not like we want to be scolds. And this is why we got into talking about football. It's like we want to talk about this. It's like, no, he and the Browns and just the news of the day has given us no choice but to talk about it. I didn't think we would be talking about it today. But before we move on to that segment, which, by the way, I should have mentioned at the top, Mark and Claibon

titled it I'm fucking excited to talk about so sorry Ricky It's a great title That's where we're going to We're just going to have to She's like an extra 12 minutes You know what?

24 minutes An extra 48 minutes Do we need another break in this show Erica? Should we just go right to the segment? Let's go to the break What's up everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here

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than it should have been over the last two weeks in the NFL, considering that we have gotten the best trade tsunami in NFL history, years after the original trade tsunami, it really arrived en masse. The NFL is now matching the NBA, trade for trade in terms of big time players. It makes NFL now more entertaining. It makes these podcasts more entertaining. It makes my life better.

And so I've been excited about that. And it also makes looking ahead to the 2022 season more exciting because now we can start thinking about these teams. So we wanted to get off all the doom and gloom and get to like, what's going to bring us joy, what shit we're going to be fucking excited about. Let's start with Henry. How about you?

Okay, I'll talk, I mean, I'll tell you some shit I'm fucking excited about Greg. And I know that we started the show talking about this Dolphins high-powered offense, but I'm going to continue, and we don't need to dwell on it because we already did. But I am fucking excited to watch that Dolphins offense,

how it's going to be able to attack the field, how Mike McDaniel, this guy who, you know, they had a round of introductions of free agents last week, and they referred to him as a mastermind, a genius, a kind of mega brain or something like that, how he's going to use all these new pieces to attack the field, to attack teams. And just to, again, I started with this,

but just to make the team exciting to watch. It's been like, you know, like punishment of some kind. Like on Sunday I get excited watching football. What about that game where Brian Flores, I think, had, you know, cooked up seven pick sixes against Jared. That's exciting, but I like it when that happens with the ball. That's kind of more easy to predict. What about Ryan Fitzpatrick, you know, running off the field with someone on his back?

No, it's just like, you know, piggyback on him. It's fun. It's fun. But those are moments that you've pulled out because those are actually like high points. I'm talking about just like on a consistent basis being like, oh, wow, they've got the ball. I'm excited to watch this rather than I'll probably just make a cup of. They've been sluggish. game-winning touchdown from Cleo Lemon to Gretaamorea.

I know all of these things. I know about those moments. To win their first game. Hank wants blowouts. I'm trying to get excited about shit. Hank would like to just tweet through a blowout. Think about like Lamar blowing out the Dolphins. That he's right.

Offense is more fun. He would like to not be worried about the outcome of the game at all and just enjoy watching football. I agree with like the basic football fans feeling that offense is more. exciting. More points is more exciting. More points, more rules that make more points is great. And I've never gotten sick of that. So I can imagine as a Dolphins fan, it's been a tough, it's been a tough couple months. What are you excited about, Claybone? I'm excited about some of these edge rushers change in spots in getting to places where they can affect the quarterback. I love the Buffalo Bills and Vaughn Miller. I like it when older players generated excitement in new fan bases, especially after Matt Ryan catches

a whole bunch of shade. And it's like, we're all older than Matt Ryan. Like, what are you saying about What are you saying about all of us? But in like a sneaky part of things is Josh Allen has had so much of a burden in the run game in these past couple of years. And now Roger Saffold and O.J. Howard come over. And I think they can impact the game. Brian Dayball leaves. I think the bills will be able to run the ball.

And like, sorry, Hank. I wish they had gotten Shady McKissick. Well, they got Duke Johnson. I like McKissick more. But it needed to do something there. So that worked. Yeah. And it puts a team that has been a contender in a different light.

and there's change there, there's just change within all of these contenders, and that's what gets me excited, where it's different, but it's also the same. And we can kind of see the evolution of things, and I'm excited. Buffalo is my number one thing I was going to have you go next, but since it's just jumping off of you, I'm with you that I like when superpowers who know how to do things change up just enough, and I think they have. Like, their moves have been so smart.

James and Crowder replacing Cole Beasley, love it. You give Isaiah McKenzie some money like that. Saffold with the run game. You mentioned Vaughn. I like Duke Johnson. I like as much as Brian Daibel was great and they'll probably miss them. I just am excited to see a slightly different version of this Bill's offense with these new pieces. And Josh Allen, like, what is next for him?

I guess I'm stuck on those two playoff games being like two best games just about I've ever seen from a quarterback and what's going to be next and what they do. So this Bill's team, I think, has just been so. smart with how they are trying to stay at the top because they really have been at the top now for a few years. And going into the season, to me, they are the AFC favorites. As good as the rest of the AFC looks and as exciting as it is. And the AFC East, I think will be better than it's been in a while. Like, to me, the bills are the favorites. And I'm excited about the moves that they mixed it up. Gabriel Davis stepping up to. Yeah, the dolphins adding Tyreek Hill and in set in general, like believing in their coach and everything you talked about makes that division

much more interesting than it was a season ago. I mean, it's just sort of trash heap for most of last year. And the bills are, I mean, I agree with you guys both. I'm excited about the bills, even as a Dolphins fan, because that's a fun team to watch. And again, this is supposed to be fun. People will not expect much from the Patriots now, which I like.

That's where they've generally done their best work. I'm also excited about the ok-doke from the Pittsburgh Steelers who have somehow mind-tricked the entire planet and the thinking that they're okay with Mitchell Trubiskyy starting all of the games in 2020. There's got to be another chip to fall there. is, Malique Willis or a rookie? I think it's a rookie. It's not what people, it's not Mitchell Trubisky for all of 2020.

I think it's a rookie. I totally think they have to be, you'd be crazy to think that you're going to satisfy your fan base with the current plan. Wasn't it Mitchell Trubisky, wasn't Mike Glennon thought he was the Bears quarterback, was at the Bears draft party being celebrated as Mitchell Trubisky got drafted? Bingo. Isn't that going to happen again now with Mitchell Trubisky at the Steelers draft party when they drug? Don't go to these parties.

Yeah, don't go to a party. The difference is the Bears gave Mike Clinton $17 million for absolutely no reason. What do you got, Mark? Well, I know, I know some of the shit that we're fucking excited about is generally positive. But I do think that there is one more chapter of immense potential drama at the quarterback position. And I'm not going to let this go until I hear otherwise. And it would have to come through a massive new contract, which I don't think the Arizona Cardinals are convinced they need to give Kyla Marie. right now. And I'm just saying if you get to that part where these sides cannot hang together,

because Kyla Murray, even just during this show, tweeted out saying basically, I've done nothing but give my all to the Cardinals and will continue to do that. I'm not really too worried about my future as a Cardinal saying that he would just let his agent handle all the money thing. That's cool. Does that really quell anything for me? Not at all. I think this is a massive holdout potential right here. And maybe a... You're looking forward to that? Kind of. Yeah. Well, that was... I kind of. It's like the last a chapter to the most mad off season of time. It was actually going to be some more shit. I was fucking excited about Mark because

I think next, you know, we've you don't have to lead into it. Like Aaron Rogers, Russell Wilson, those stories have now ended and that was like stuff that had been building up over the last 12, 18 months. We're into a new round. I think you've hit Kyla. I think Lamar Jackson is coming up to be a free agent

next year. I think there's going to be a whole other round of people who are going to be dissatisfied, disgruntled, and we're going to spend, I know this annoys you, but we're going to spend the next 12 months talking about where they end up or what their futures might hold. But what, uh, but the difference with Kyler and Lamar or any of those other ones is Kyle has already put out a statement that essentially I read as I won't play without a new

contract and that, and this is a team that's seemingly put out some bad stuff about Kyler and yeah, it's very confused. I don't know where it goes though because I just can't. But you know it's going to go somewhere ugly. Where I think? At least we know the Cardinals have. made an offer to Kyler Murray, and there's been somewhat response there. I don't even know if the Ravens have made an offer to Lamar. No, there was a report, or actually, I think they said it

publicly. The reporting was it was close to 35 a year, and that the Ravens have said we've been waiting for Lamar to engage, and when Lamar really wants to engage, he will. Doesn't he have no agent? If you're waiting for him to engage and you've made an offer, then the answer was no, that he's already engaged with the offer. He seems pretty chill about it. It's just weird. It's weird for the team to imply that Lamar is, like, sitting there playing Call a Duty or Eldon Ring or something. That's Murray. That's Murray that they imply is always playing video games.

But it's like, he really is, though. I follow it on my Instagram and he is playing a lot. It's like, we'll engage at Lamar's pace. If you've made an offer and he doesn't like it, then that's what else is the negotiation? Well, the conventional, the behind the scenes belief, and I don't know how anyone can really get this information because Lamar is representing. himself. But the belief, at least from Jason Lockenfor at CBS, who's usually tied in with the Ravens, is that Lamar wants to play it out. That at least he sees that as a really viable option. And I totally get that. I think it's very risky, but he's going to make $19 million

this year, which is way more than he's made in any other year. Certainly, it's certainly enough to live off for the rest of your life and you want to make money. But if you believe in yourself like Lamar Jackson does, he thinks that going the Kirk Cousins route, getting to the tag, maybe even doing the tag twice, which by the way is going to be about the same guaranteed money for two years as you're going to get in your first two years of a long-term deal, is the way to go. Because the only way to have the most power and most money that any quarterback has ever had in the history of football will be to go that route. I mean, Kirk Cousins has like $200 million.

Right. Cousins is the example because he's kind of gotten there. He's made as much or more money than almost any quarterback in the last seven years, and that's Kirk Cousins. Imagine you do that if you're Lamar. If Eric DeCosta would like to prevent that, then he could probably make a better off. Right, he could. I think what you're saying, and I think it's fair, is that the Ravens might look at that and be like, bet, like, okay, we'll do that.

And we'll just, like, isn't it different, though, than, like, the, obviously the Josh Allen situation where the organization is totally hell-bent on resigning him. This doesn't get me excited about. This is not the stuff that gets. gives me joy, though, contract. Sorry. All right. Well, sorry.

Uh, all right, well, well, how about, uh, I'm showing my, my Patriots homerism, but I really do like the idea of Josh McDaniels running this Raiders offense. And I think it's gotten lost in the shuffle a little bit weirdly because McDaniels has been below the radar, I guess, just in terms of like big stories in terms of what his impact's going to be. He hasn't left the team yet, I guess. Right. But it's going to be a total.

different offense. I mean, he's very, very different from John Gruden. He's certainly different from Greg Olson. Other guys Derek Carr has worked with. I think he's a really good game planner. I think he does a good job of not putting players in position to do things they don't do well. I think he deserves not a lot of credit for Tom Brady's success, but some for the way that they approached things and the way Mack Jones got into the league. And I just look at these guys that they have. Devante Adams is as impressive a dude, like, listening to him at a press conference as there can

possibly be. Derek Carr is an impressive guy. He's very intelligent. Darren Waller is an impressive guy. Hunter Renfro. All these guys, to me, just like, scream, football smart, and real life smart. And I think Josh McDaniels is a great coach for them.

And I just think they're going to be more fun to watch as an offense, and they're going to be dynamic. And I think McDaniels is a key part to that, helping those guys maximize what they do. And I think, like, the Raiders are going to be a primetime team that I'm more excited to watch than the last few years, where it's just like, okay, I don't hate it. They're not the Giants, but I'm not excited.

It's mostly about me and the primetime games. And I think the Raiders are going to deliver because of Josh. Not just because of Josh, but he's going to be part of it. Does that mean the AFC West gets more primetime games with all those additions than the NFC East this season? That is a coin toss with the way this operates. We hope. We're going to see more cars and wins.

The North is going to get a lot because the North is hot right now for sure. If the Bengals are the third favorites in Vegas, like that's a spicy division. People are giving up on the Steelers too quick. That's a hot division. But I think the AFC West, yeah, number one along with the A&A. I mean, but to your point, Henry, like they're not even looking at what makes sense. It's like it's the NFC. And they're all offensive teams to me.

Like, that's what I want to watch. Well, I have the Nielsen box data from 2007. and so this means the game's more excited. I think Chandler Jones makes that more exciting to me. Because we've seen a good Raiders offense, but then there's been a sieve on the other side. Okay, but here's how they were good, is by getting third and three over and over

on six-minute 84-yard drives that they either get a field goal or like they get the fourth try of Josh Jacobs on third and goal. They haven't been exciting. I think they could be exciting. Herbert's exciting. The Chiefs are exciting. Who am I forgetting? And the Broncos have Russell Wilson. Like, that's offense. I mean, the Broncos have Russell Wilson and Nathaniel Hackett, which I think is he was going to be one of mine.

Because it's like this could go really, really well, but you're also in the AFC West. And all these AFC West teams have to go play the NFC West. So it's going to be Russell Wilson with his new team versus all his old friends and foes and former team, which I love. I think Nathaniel Hackett. as much as I find him totally delightful whenever he speaks. I also want to see what is how does he respond? Because he seems like such an almost childlike bubbly individual. Like what if

they're one and four and things are going poorly? Do you get a different darker version of Hackett that is equally quotable? So I mean these are things that I am genuinely excited about. Dark Hackett. He does seem like the like super excited head coach where the losing maybe takes a toll on him. Like

Right. Yeah. I don't know if he'll be like full Adam Gase. But that would be sad. But that would be so bad. You'd feel for him because he's such a positive seeming individual. You would feel for him as long as he handles it in the right way. Like, I'm trying to think of some coaches that have been like that Dave McGinnis. I don't know if you remember him as a head quote. Cardinals.

Just like a happy guy. How about like Pete Carroll his first time around? Dennis Green, when it started going dark in each one of his places. Like that didn't, that man didn't want to be unhappy, but you made him unhappy. My friend Jim Tom Sula. Yeah, that was a nice man. A nice man, happy man. Sadly, things didn't work out. Claybott, anything else that's going to bring you some joy? I'm giving like the PG title of this. Yes.

Yeah, well, I didn't want to give Eric any more work. Just guys coming back. Even Baker, the injury rate in this league is so high. And there's always, whenever you talk about people always want you to give a caveat, well, if they stay healthy, it's literally an aspect of the human condition. Like, we could use that caveat for everybody. So, like, even somebody like Jalen Waddle, right, who was eight months off of a broken ankle last year. Like, he gets a full, healthy offseason. I'm thinking about all the guys that were out. I'm excited for hurt guys to come back and get an opportunity. Some of them with new teams.

So I'm excited about that. I'm going to throw out the second year quarterbacks just generally. Like, this was as hyped up a draft class of quarterbacks as there'd been in a while. and as rookies, you know, maybe they didn't get everyone as excited as you thought you would be other than Mac Jones, who I think probably overperformed in terms of expectations. But I'm excited about year two, Mac Jones. I think Mac Jones can get better. Justin Fields is a name, and the Bears are a team that we just haven't said in two months.

Like, I'm cautious, I'm nervous a little bit about the offensive staff and the talent that they have around them, but I'm excited to watch Justin Fields play a full season of football, And especially after that Urban Meyer story in the last week, I'm excited to watch Trevor Lawrence play with, like, a legitimate head coach. These were guys we were thrilled about. They should be better in this next season. It's a league fully about quarterbacks. And, like, I am excited about that.

I am also piggybacking on that, excited that there's no group of young men that have to operate at the behest of Urban Meyer. Yes, right. I'm excited about that. Nowhere. Like, it's like, oh, guess what? You might perform better if your coach doesn't ditch the plane home to bump and grind to wager set to steakhouse.

possible. All right. I think that was a lot of things. Do we have any... I've got one more if I can, Greg. I am very excited. Mark's got a lot highlighted, actually, so I wanted to rip through. I actually, there must be some group think going on here because I had some that you also mentioned. Well, I'll throw one more out there. Sorry, Mark, to jump into yours. There are five international games this year being played in London, in Mexico City, and then for the first time in Germany, in Munich. And in the past, you know, obviously, fans have shown up to those games, had an amazing time.

You guys have had the chance to be there. Patrick, one day we hope you would be able to join us as well. Uh-oh, breaking news. Please, send Claibon to Germany with us. Exactly. Full stadiums of excited fans, but you could probably say that the product on the field wasn't quite as exciting as it could be. The teams in London, the Packers who are coming for the first time to London,

the Saints, a Jacksonville Jaguarist team without Urban Mayor. in Mexico City the Arizona Cardinals and then in Munich the Tampa Bay Buccaneers I've been allowed to be part of the conversations around those matchups as well

there are some exciting games Can you give like a little hit and around the NFL because I don't know what it for sure will happen and I would hate to lead people in the wrong direction but I mean I can say without any anything where it's I'm not not being transparent, those are

excited. There are going to be some really exciting international match. And we're starting the campaign send around the NFL, including Claibon. You have to include all of that in the hashtag to Germany. That's evolved. Because last week it was send Greg to Germany, very specifically. That's not true. We talked about it. It was all about Greg's background.

Well, I thought that was a good hook. Look, I know they're not sending me without the team, and I wouldn't want that anyways. But yes, I am my first generation German descendant. So my family was there for hundreds of years. It really is a connection here. You said you and Wes had family back in Germany. The name Sessler is German and comes from Cessler.

And there's a place called Wessling. Right. And there's a place called, exactly. So it's just like maybe we could do a live show from Wessling. I feel like that's a great idea. Let's do all this. And before we go, though, I do want Mark you to do the, the one about Ewan McGregor

that is an orange highlighter. We didn't stray out. Greg, that is green, by the way. I know you're a bit color. Color is green, but I appreciate that. I'm colorblind. Because you send out these Instagram stories, a lot of Ewan McGregor, a lot of Nicole Kidman.

I want to hear what you're excited about. I think Ewan McGregor is one of the, for me, he is like my top one or two or three actors ever. And he's playing Obi-1-Kinobi, and it's a bit of a nerdy thing. But I thought he was done wrong, Clayvon. In those prequels, he was done wrong. wrong, and he's coming back now in a thing where apparently, you know, competent people wrote

the story, and he, uh, the one thing I find strange is that Al Guinness, who played Obi-1, like, a solid 12 years after this version of, Ewan McGregor, looks 27 years older than you. Well, you know, Hugh McGregor is like, it's like, it's like, Top Gun, the sequel doesn't work because, like, he's, top gun, it's like, Tom Cruise still looks 37, and Kelly McGinnis from the first one looks 72 in real life, so it's like they had to recast the whole thing. Anyways, well, no, I mean, it's accurate. A Guinness that's taken fire in a big spot. I think maybe it's just hair and styling has probably changed a little bit.

But I am excited because I've always said the prequels, which I love and people are starting to appreciate the prequels even more, I think, now. Not myself, but yeah, other people are, yes. Even more. But they've always, they've always, the dialogue was like a Wikipedia article about Star Wars lore, which, of course, I would read. But now we get, UN has a chance with some better dialogue. I look and I'm looking forward to that as well. He deserves it. I bumped into you and McGregor on a hike

into Pangas a couple of years ago. This guy! And I was, I didn't say anything to him, but we were on a very narrow path. And I was like, oh, here comes, um, you and McGregor. He nodded and was like, Hank. Yeah, we nodded.

We nodded each other. That was it. I think I said good morning. I've known you for like a decade and you've never told me that story. I mean, it's not a very good story. It's an excellent story. Really? It's like my favorite thing you've ever told me.

Okay. Did you look at him and think, okay, top three Mark actors At that point Mark posted less often about you and McGregner known for his looks

but then you looked at him and you thought like I'm taller and better looking than him No I didn't You didn't think of that If I'd bumped into Winslet or DiCaprio

I would have I would have made reference to Mark But all right Well we're making Headway Were you elevated at the time Did you have a chance To like tell him That you had the high ground

Or something Because I don't think We were like It was a very narrow path And we had to squeeze past Short-ish. Maybe not short, but definitely Henry has got to be taller.

I was taller than him, but I didn't notice whether he was short or not. Well, this is more Star Wars and U.N. McGregor talk than Dan would have allowed a few. By the way, I'll tell you something about Dan, about eight minutes before the show, I got like a string of, this is typically a Greg move, but a string of butt dials from Dan. I thought he was like trying to reach me, and I kept putting the phone on speaker, and it was like clearly sounds from Disneyland where he is. I can hear like rides or something in the background but it's like are you all right Dan are you all right at Disney World we don't know he's then communication went totally dark

all right before we go I just saw a slack from Erica from 15 minutes ago and I just wouldn't feel right before giving her a chance to talk about some shit she's fucking excited about wow thank you it was Broncos related but but Mark took it so we're definitely feeling the same way I couldn't think of

a team last season that I was less interested in watching and the Broncos was that team in it you think about you know the commanders there's some other teams but for some reason for me the broncos were the last they were 32 of 32 that I would want to watch they were they were in the middle I mean I had certain interest in them yeah they just I could I loved all you know their receiving core and everything I just could not get behind it with with the quarterbacks and the Fongio experience and and everything so I am really excited to watch them this year with Russell Wilson, like Mark said, with a new head coach and experience.

We're not dealing with the quarterback shuffle and, like, to really see this team become interesting. Yeah. Good fun young talent. I'm with you in terms of... I thought that paired very well with my comments. You did it back to together, very complimentary. And Fangio hasn't quite taken, you know,

an urban Meyer level, you know, shots from the athletic. But there have been a handful of comments. from former defensive players who said that Vic Fongio's way of dealing with younger athletes maybe didn't match up with the type of respect that they would and should be afforded that lines up as stunning news to us.

As young professionals. It sounds like the defensive players who are pretty good and didn't exactly max out their talent weren't exactly loving the Fongio experience. So maybe they won't miss them too much. I will miss all you guys. What a fun show. So sorry for making you beep out all that work there, Erica.

Oh, it's cool. It was a fun segment. But I think we're going to be bringing back. We're fucking excited to talk about one more time. We do have the Around the NFL broadcast on Friday. Check that out. It's going to be Mark Colleen and I. And that's on NFL Network, I believe, at 3 p.m. Eastern, noon Pacific.

And there's some re-airs in less gigantic news blows up the show like it did a year. A week ago. Then you don't get the re-airs. People did not see our final, incredible final E and F block segments from the last broadcast. The lost. We were 40 minutes into our show when the Deshawn Watson News broke, and that's fine. I don't know if they were our best work, to be honest. No, it dragged.

It wasn't a great episode. They can't be all home runs. They really can't. This was fun, though. This was one of our best. Heck, yeah. We miss Dan. He will be back on Monday.

Until then This has been A thin slice of heaven For Marksessler Handsome Hank Patrick Claibon See you Monday Please heed that call

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