NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Dolphins Punished for Tampering Allegations; Training Camp Whispers

Episode Date: August 2, 2022

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal bring you all the latest news from around the league. We begin with the disciplinary actions against the Miami Dolphins for violating league policies (4:20) and touch on 49ers wide receiver Deebo Samuel getting a massive contract extension (16:14), as well as various offseason injuries (22:33) and other news (28:03). Then, the heroes spin through their favorite training camp “whispers,” recapping the most interesting reports and storylines from training camps across the league (31:02). Notable mentions include the Steelers, Jaguars, Giants, 49ers, Commanders, and Colts.  Note: timecodes are approximateNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Got some heroes with me. Greg Rosethal, Mark Sessler. All right. Good job. NFL. I see you. I see what you're doing. You're trying to clear the decks.

Nothing to see here. Drop some news on Monday, although we know that story is not over yet around Deshaun Watson. Now let's throw out the next wave. The second worst story of the offseason, let's try to, like, get that off the table ahead of the Hall of Fame game. The efforts there, Greg, you got to give them credit for the effort being there. Well, and I appreciate the way they structured it

so we could get the mini-sowed-out Monday kind of clear our decks here, but also gave us a nice, meaty topic to start this show with. So maybe they're planning it around us. Thank you, League. There was a, there were several funny moments leading up today's taping. one of them was when Mark realized in real time that we were actually doing an extra show this week that the Monday show wasn't replacing

one of the initially scheduled shows. And you could actually see the lights go out behind the eyes. But it looks like you've recovered now. Well, no. So, you know, we decide typically a day before what we're going to do with our segment outside of the news part of the show. And we all put our...

Oh, you talk meatballs. Now we're talking how the sausage gets made. We all put our certain personal stamp and we prepare in our own ways for it. And this was, which will come later in the week, but it was a quite involved segment that took a lot of imagination. And I thought, you know, personal...

Why are you keeping it a secret? Well, it's team slogans. And I spent like three hours coming up with a variety of team slogans. We're going to do a Wednesday. We're going to do a Wednesday with Connor. I found out four minutes before when we were going to tape an hour ago that were switching gears.

And so it was suddenly, you know, that's why I felt, a little agitated. Yeah, we all were dealing with it at the same time. We all found out that we had to switch a schedule and some handled it more gracefully than others, but here we are. I didn't have a meltdown or anything.

I didn't even say anything verbally for the most part. No meltdown. I was just saying there was that annoyed by it. Yeah, okay, see? I'm just saying there was a lot of concern on your part. It's not the way I would like pre-show energy. You're a prep guy. You're a big-time prep guy.

Yes. To your point, though. it's big Rajweek. It does feel like a big Rajweek. Because frankly, this story, and we can get into it, you know, in a minute, but like it's been so off the radar. I didn't necessarily believe he was going to drop the hammer as much as he did, which I think was a pleasant surprise.

And then he still got this three-day period, which is now down to two to decide on Watson. And I really think it's like his chance to be a hero, to like make a, to do something. something that his employees and the fans of the NFL, I think, for the most part, will really appreciate. You're referring to Watson specifically. I'm saying Watson in terms of appealing that suspension.

So I think those two things in a row would be a very positive week for Roger Goodell in a way that his disciplined decisions in the past have often not been. And it's a rare chance to go be a hero. So go be a hero, Raj. And I'll also add, and yes, we're about to get into it, there is a neatness. to the resolution of this Dolphins saga that almost feels it feels very convenient. He did get the way this was resolved. To be fair, he's gotten some criticism about this one.

This one's buttoned up pretty tight. So we're going to get into that. We're going to also have some, yes, Connor Orr, team slogans. We're going to push to tomorrow later today. Mark is okay. He's with us. I am absolutely excited about what's occurring. We're going to hit some training camp whispers.

instead to get you caught up on what's going on and camps, training camps are obviously well underway now and we're going to, what's kind of jumping out to us that's interesting, but first, yes, let's get to the news. The way that the Dolphins simply pretended the rules did not exist is mind-boggling. What if Ian gets an email or a text from someone upstairs? Like, you know, we don't like that from you.

I agree with them, but yeah. I was, I liked it. Graver took him back enough that he cut it. But it is. It is when the investigation of the Miami Dolphins is all set and done. The things that Brian Flores brought to light, so much of it turned out to be absolutely true. And what's, uh, or maybe all of it. Uh, so let's get into it here.

The NFL announced Tuesday that the Miami Dolphins will forfeit their 2003 first round pick and 2024 third round pick while team owner Stephen Ross has been suspended through October 17th following an investigation into whether the organization violated league policies pertaining to the integrity of the game. This investigation was led by a former U.S. attorney and SEC chairperson, Mary Joe White, lasted six months, focused on two areas. And yes, there was tampering that involved Tom Brady and Sean Peyton numerous times, but also notable here, Mark.

The league found, or the investigation found that the Brian Flores allegations of tanking and getting paid money, the head coach, to lose games a few seasons back, was something that was done in jest or not in a serious manner. So there was no discipline in that department, which is very notable here. But otherwise, the dolphins got banged. They did. And that animal probably is annoyed by it. but I think that to Greg's point, Roger Goodell did the right thing here, and it was a severe punishment. Ross is also being fined $1.5 million, which is probably like three dimes falling out of his pocket. I don't know what an owner not being allowed to be around the team until October.

That feels sort of like a hollow punishment to me. But the Dolphins, you know, the Deshawn Watson scenario was called egregious, and that was a correct word for it. This is egregious. You've not seen a team do this. They tampered with Tom Brady after the 2019s. season after last season when he was a patriot and now if you think about it because one big thing facing the dolphins in general they lose a first round pick and a third round pick this one of they have two first round picks going into the next draft but they lose one of those this was the season where

they were going to evaluate two and maybe decide do we have the ammunition to go get his replacement if we want to move up and down the draft your pursuit of tom brady multiple times and of sean Peyton potentially strips your ability to control the draft and get the better quarterback down the road. Right, because they still have an extra draft pick. They had a couple. Now they lose one. It's a serious punishment and the wording that the NFL used in terms of the way that

they tampered, that it was unprecedented in scope, was really saying something. I was thinking, like, the reporting that Benvolent did about this story in the Boston Globes sort of slept under the radar and Florio backed it up as well back in April that they were trying to get Tom Brady to potentially become an owner and maybe eventually slash player and he is a free agent after this offseason so I don't think it's that crazy to think like if he wants to keep playing he might not be on the bucks next year and the dolphins were a pretty logical place considering he's had these two conversations. I don't foresee that happening now just because It would look so bad

But if he is on the Dolphins He just lost his own first round pick for next year Not going to be as good a team If he wants to be a little bit of an owner there Yeah and Stephen Ross said in a statement Greg you mentioned this and it was just kind of funny Like the spin of it all Ross's statement

The Independent Investigation cleared our organization On any issues related to tanking And all of Brian Flores's other allegations As I have said all along These allegations were false, malicious and defamatory And this issue is now put to rest. Is this the statement that they were supposed to put out if the decision was the other decision where they were cleared of all wrongdoing? I'm missing something there.

It's an absurd statement from a multi-billionaire. I mean, we've seen this in politics, but also in life that like you can just create your own reality and just say what you want. And at least there will be a segment of people that might listen to it because Flores's allegations about the tamas. hampering led directly to them losing these picks. And how he phrased that it turned down the tanking, that they didn't find them guilty. I do want to kind of point out how that's misleading to say it that way. The investigation concluded they did not intentionally lose games. But it also concluded that many times the owner expressed that he prioritized their draft position versus win-loss

record. And that was to their team president. It was to their GM. It was to coach Flores, who at the time let people know that he was not okay with this in writing. That multiple times he said, look, the draft pick's more important than winning. He said that to the coach. They also confirmed that he said the $100,000 line to Flores about losing games,

and they brush it off as a joke. That's where it says this feels a little neat. That's where it comes in. And maybe that is true. And they confirm that. That's in there that he was prioritizing the draft. Maybe the investigation turned over enough rocks where they felt that there really wasn't a serious offer to pay money for losses. Because the other stuff, let's just be honest, let's be grownups here, stuff happens all the time in the league now.

And not just the NFL all across professional sports. I hear you, but like when you hear something from your boss, sometimes they don't need to exactly say what they want for you to make it clear what they want. and if you have an owner of a football team letting the coach know that winning is not our goal here this year, I think that that is a problem. That's problematic. That is punishable to me.

Maybe it's a little more surfacy than in other organizations. But again, we're not privy to what's going on in other organizations like the Browns when they were in their tank or any other number of teams you could point out. I also think it's important to bring up what Brian Flores had to say in his statement after this came out because obviously he is a central figure

in all of this. I am thankful that the NFL's investigator found my factual allegations against Stephen Ross are true. At the same time, I am disappointed to learn that the investigator minimized Mr. Ross's offers and pressure to tank games, especially when I wrote and submitted a letter at the time to Dolphins executives documenting my serious concerns regarding this subject at the time, which the investigator has in her possession. Then he goes on to add that Mr. Ross will avoid any meaningful consequence. And that's true because the fine, listen, a million dollars or whatever is a lot to anyone, but maybe not so much to oligarchs as we're talking about.

And also his suspension, October 17th. That doesn't mean anything. We're going to blink and it's going to be October 17th. It doesn't mean anything. We just did a segment about October 4th, Mark. That's the end of week four. So week six, he's back. He's barred from league meetings and things of that nature for the season or the year or whatever.

But otherwise, this is not something that's going to throw his ownership too far off course. The more that we learn about this and the more that you dig into the investigation, I just don't think they went far enough. I think the tanking thing, you're right, they made it too neat because when an owner, it doesn't have to even be put in writing. You're creating an environment. And that's what Stephen Ross did. He created an environment where it was very clear, I think, to people about what the tanking thing.

Remember, we called it the fish tank because there were multiple. reports from the Miami Herald that talked about the fact that this was what the dolphins were doing. And they're not the only team in that league. The Browns have done this. We can look at a team like the bears that are moving pieces left and right for picks to rebuild essentially. It's what you do in sports.

You rebuild. The dolphins did it more severely, and they were let off the hook on this one. Well, that's a great point, Mark. Totally agree. I suppose it. It really was all right. It really was good. It was also said with a lot of confidence.

And I think that's what Justin was taking about. It was coming. It came across. Sure. I hear what Flores is saying, and that's why I'm torn on this. Because initially, my expectations are so low, I'm like, okay, a first and a third that's a significant punishment, that they did anything and really called them out. It is embarrassing. I think Stephen Ross has had a lot of bad moments as Dolphins owner, a lot of rough times, a lot of criticism coming his way.

But like Dan Snyder, to be suspended, it certainly is embarrassing. and is a black mark on your record. On the other hand, I totally agree with Brian Flores that ultimately, in the long run, it's not going to hurt Stephen Ross that much. It'll hurt his football team, certainly with the draft picks. You know, it was the same, you know, they took a first rounder away from the Patriots for deflate gate still,

if you look back on that. They took a second and a third for Bounty Gate back in the day. So it's very, it's a little confusing to figure out when punishment is coming down. They could have gone even bigger on it. And I appreciated that Flores found the integrity of the game part of his complaints and lawsuit. It's so important because ultimately his lawsuit in the order that he presented it prioritized the racial component and what is happening in terms of firing and hiring black coaches in the league. And I think that's what he led with and that was important.

but he also wanted to take out his former boss's kneecaps with its tampering stuff and the Brady stuff and he absolutely did that on the way out the building he hurt his former boss in a very meaningful way and that's why the way that he put out that lawsuit and the statements way back when this first started was very calculated and I think ultimately very effective don't mess with Brian Flores

all right that's that they should give that pick to that the Pats, you know, maybe. Pats and Bucks. Because I think these are two organizations that they haven't had enough success. That's where your argument falls off. You know, that's who they were messing with.

They were messing with the Pats, you know. You kicked Tom Brady out the door, so. And nothing happens to Tom Brady or Sean Payton in this, by the way. Do we put any? Yeah. It's kind of sleeping on a little bit. My bad, the Saints are the team that should also get a pick, I guess, yeah. Oh, another team that you adore.

Tom Brady, the Tom Bradyness of all this, which makes it even more fast story. Do we let him off the hook? I guess he's just the player. But he was potentially in the conversation he was looking to get into the front office or that was kind of the pitch. So if his potential down the line ownership or front office position and begins with being involved in this nefarious malarkey, I guess I'm really excited, I have to say, for the Tom Brady ownership experience. I mean, at least he didn't destroy a cell phone this time around. It'll be like the Derek Jeter, you know, ownership experience in Florida. Well, we don't need to.

We don't need to take shots at the captain like that. It's funny because Brady literally could have been trying to get to the Dolphins this off season if Flores didn't drop this in the time that he did. If you look at the timing, that's sort of when he backed off the whole Dolphins idea. It's wild. Wild. All right. Let's move on.

Let's get caught up with other NFL news. This went down on Monday. Debo Samuel and the 49ers, all good. Everything's fine. The two sides have agreed on a three-year contract extension worth up to 73.5 million with 58.1 million guaranteed. The Niners officially announced the extension after a rap sheet reported it on Sunday. John Lynch said they are overjoyed to have Debo Samuel and they should be because he's

that important to their offense. Once again, Mark, I feel like we're a little used. We were a part of this whole saga that was ultimately Samuel was never looking to go anywhere. He never really wanted to be traded. He just wanted his money and he got it. And we helped it by making it a bigger story, by inflaming tension just by talking about it

and acting as if he could be traded on draft weekend and all that. You're shaking your head, Greg. There was a lot of malarkey going on with wide receivers. I'm reading an article here where Michael Irvin, our co-ho, our colleague. Friend. Well, I've never spoken with him. He did come into the newsroom that one time. Wait, we saw him at the draft, like about eight, nine years ago in New York in the after-hours bar.

And Mike was feeling no pain, belly up against the bar, could not have been nicer to us and our friends. And that happened this draft in Las Vegas, too, when there was an after-party. And I went up, and actually, I didn't, he didn't intend this, but there was a group of three of us talking. And Michael Irvin was telling a very animated story. and in a fatherly fashion put his hand on my shoulder at one point to make...

So I do think that I have a real friendship with him to some degree. Imagine... Fatherly. I mean, you guys are pretty close in age. I know, but he's also like he's a gigantic human being. And also with Irvin and I,

the same, we were all in that post draft in Vegas in that same bar area and it was in the, there was like a hallway with where the casino was and he's Michael Irvin, you know,

everyone's looking at him. And it is interesting. and I give credit to Mike, our friend, that he's still like that same gregarious fun dude when he lives his entire life in a fishbowl. Anyway, we're off time. I think he lives his truth in a way, and he is who he is in a way that we should all aspire to.

Should we try to get him on the show? I mean, we literally are colleagues. Why try? He would say yes in a second. Why isn't Michael Irvin on the show? All right, long-term, short-term goal here. Let's get Irvin on. You got it.

That draft party was so fun that you guys were at while I was in the hotel room editing the podcast. Loved it. Grindr. You're not there yet, Justin. One day you can push that off on someone. And watch out, by the way. Sean Kelly stepped up in a big spot for our Deshaun Watson emergency podcast.

Didn't skip a beat. So let's keep our eye on the prize, I guess is what I'm saying. I'm proud of Sean. I'm glad he did a good job. He did an excellent job communicating before and after the show. Your regular Baker Mayfield, like loudly cheering on long completions by Sam Darnold right now. Michael Irvin was on 95.7. game in San Francisco and he said he he said he really wanted to be moved he spoke to him at the time

he was emotional he wanted to get out of there i do think that that was the difference between his situation and every other wide receiver this offseason is that at that time he was truly upset and and that's why i give john lynch and kajana and some credit never make this thing public they didn't say a word about all this other than just that they love debo samuel and they want to work it out they just they didn't they were not interested and you're right dan i don't think a trade was ever going to happen because they want Debo Samuel so much, they just let it come down. And then they gave out the money. And the fact that this A.J. Brown and McLaurin and D.K., they all basically signed the exact same contract. There's little differences here

in there. And I want to get into one of them with Debo. But that made it easier. And they played it perfectly. I'd also note that the contract does not have language, according to Kyle Shanahan, about his role, which was a big sticking point. Or was it? Well, it depends. They have an incentives. You can make, if you're Debo Samuel, an extra, I think it was $600 plus thousand dollars if he gets 380 yards rushing. Now that's an incentive. But it doesn't prohibit though. That was one concern. So that's a good win for the Niners. Right. It gives them an incentive to do it. It says that he was on board with that. And he gets another hundred plus thousand on top of that if he has three rushing touchdown. So it's sort of in the

mix that like, hey, we're not going to totally back off on that. That would probably be, what do I know, unprecedented if in the contract it says you can't use him in certain ways on the in terms of strategy you know on the field right i don't know if that exists but he also needs to watch four hours of film per week according to the i guess my point is like that you say that the 49ers handed it really well and we we all thought like the cardinals and and the agent for kailer murray didn't handle it so well but at the end of the day like money talks right and we're just along for the ride right Right, but in some cases, and A.J. Brown pointed this out on Twitter,

like the organization doesn't want to pay the money. And I think he rightly, to all the Titans fans or anyone else that was trying to put any blame on him, was like, look, we all got the same contract. All right. The Eagles were ready to pay it. The Titans didn't want to pay it. They're the ones that got rid of me. In the future, because we're always looking to be, how can we be a better, smarter podcast next offseason?

Should we be targeting the types of players that are maybe below that Debo, Samuel, Kyler-Murray line. You know, and we're like, all right, this one is worth kind of tracking more closely because the team might be making a football-related decision. But when it's a superstar player, and that's what Debo Samuel is, you know what I'm saying. I don't think that we did a terrible job with this one. Brown got, Brown did get moved, and that was surprising. You know what I mean?

So it's like one out of four. We do this a lot, though. I feel like at the end of every offseason, we always are like, well, we're not going to get caught in whatever's happen next off season and then you get back to next office you know you get to February and it's like oh shoot we have three hours of content to fill like what are we going to talk about idiots what yeah what are you going to talk about you're going to talk about football stories nothing will change we will we'll dig right in again on this top similar topic a year from now let's take a quick break we'll be right back what's up everybody

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Bad news for the Cowboys, James Washington, who was one of the guys that was supposed to step in in that suddenly thin wide receiver group, he's been diagnosed with a broken foot.

He's out for six to ten weeks, and I don't need to tell you that a foot injury for a wide receiver, you don't know when he comes back, if he'll be the same guy and it might be next July. Man, I never felt myself. But now I'm better than ever. Also, Van Jefferson, the Rams wide receiver. Another important piece in a wide receiver room,

this for the defending champs. He'll undergo knee surgery this week. He's uncertain for week one. Also, Broncos wide receiver, Tim Patrick, carted off with an apparent knee injury at practice today. This happened. So hopefully that's not too serious. He seemed to be a guy, Greg, who could step up.

up in that offense with Russell Wilson and take the next step in his career. Yeah, he was maybe their best receiver last year. Making the lead candidate even. Absolutely. And where he wins matches up well with where Russell Wilson wins, you know, deep and on the outside, certainly. But I think, you know, putting these three stories together.

And this is why, you know, Dan's the host with the host here. Oh, that's very nice. It's like it presents a contrast. Two of these teams have incredible wide receiver depth here. It's like the Rams, yeah, that third receiver slot looks pretty grisly. A lot of questions here now, but they still have Cooper Cup and Alan Robinson.

The Broncos still have Jerry Judy and Cortland Sutton and Hamler and they're good. Whereas the Cowboys have Michael Gallup coming off a torn ACL might not be ready for the start of the season. I never was that high on James Washington to begin with. Right. I feel like if you can't succeed in Pittsburgh, I know Ben was there, but like that usually receivers find a way to succeed there, and he really didn't. You have Gallup coming off the injury. You have C.D. Lamb, but man, you really don't have anything else at Wide Out, but beyond that.

I think it makes the Amari Cooper trade, which was, you know, at the outset when it happened, they got very little for Amari Cooper. That just looks worse for the Cowboys right now. There's no depth there. You're probably right about that. Jalen Tobert, their rookie is a third-round pick. Cowboys are going to say, he's stepping right. Okay, that'd be great.

He's a third-round pick who's supposed to play mostly in the slot, and I hope he's great. but if you're counting on a third round pick before I've ever seen them as you're like hard number two to start the year, that's a problem. And also with Amari Cooper, because now it looks especially bad. But if for whatever reason they weren't really into the Amari Cooper experience anymore, all right, go ahead, trade them away. But then the mistake is you don't really, you're not aggressively looking for someone you could count on to slide in.

Count on like someone like, I have an announcement to make because I'm so sick of this. Wait. I have an announcement to make. Okay. All right. The Cowboys. I have an announcement, Graver, have two sides, Will Fuller. Oh, that was not where I thought you were going.

The announcement is I am now Will Fuller's agent. He is not aware of this, but I am actively now representing Will Fuller because whoever his agent is, is not doing the job. He is a perfect flyer guy. If he's healthy and of right mind to slide into Dallas with that quarterback and that offense and make a spot. There is reporting out there. It's a number of teams.

shout out. A number of teams are into Will Fuller, but waiting a little bit to pick him up. Don't wait, because then somebody else picks him up. He's being monitored. What does that even mean? I saw that too. That's his agent, feeling the heat from Hanzas. His former agent.

Right. He's feeling the heat from Hanzas. Like, I've got to get something out there. He calls up Aaron Wilson, my former colleague at Pro Football Talk, and now Pro Football Network, saying, okay, that makes sense, but I'm going to top you here. They got $20 million in cap space. They got more than, I think, every team in the league other than the Browns.

Odell Beckham, Dallas Cowboy, it just makes too much sense. G.C., G.C. Someone should, like, whatever the going rate for OBJ is, just overspend and make it a three-year deal and see what happens. How about this? Well, Sean McVeigh mentioned Odell Beckham again.

Right. The Rams have this. He's not going to be available until November. I get it. The Rams are confident that they're going to be able to bring them back, but money talks. If the Cowboys are like, hey, come rehab with us. We know you won't be back to October or November.

But that toys with the O'Dell Beckham painting on the wall here where he's now in a Rams uniform. And the two-hour time limit the man has to paint. Right, the painter. Behind CD-Lam. Sorry, Cam Acres stole Odell's number. Cam Acres changed his number to number three. So if O'Dell does come back to the Rams, he has to switch numbers.

Oh, super awkward. I love it. Behind CD-LAM right now, Noah Brown, Jalen Tolbert, Simi Feheko. Fehako. How about we sign both? How about we bring Odell? and Will Fuller in. Now, as Will Fuller's agent.

Yes. That's me. Will Fuller's agent. Like, is he in the right place mentally and physically? Because, you know, there was some high hope. He did get paid, I believe, about $11 million from the dolphins last year. In between injuries, there was a suspension problem. He hasn't necessarily been available.

Okay. Two things you need to know. He's in the best shape of his life. One. Two, last year was humbling for him. but mentally he feels that was a clear-the-decks type year and he feels like he's never been more passionate about the sport and wanting to make an impact while he still can in his prime.

You're a natural in this role. Sold. Where do I sign? All right, real quick, before we go to break, let's hit a couple more things. Orlando Brown, the tackle for the Chiefs, will report to training camp. He's there now. As of today.

He's there. He was upset about playing under the franchise tag. wants that huge new contract, Mark just telling him how much he should make. Mark says, take the $190 million, or $90 million, whatever it was. And I'm saying, go get your worth, Orlando Brown. Again, I'm an agent, so I'm coming from the player deserves what he's worth. We should get Orlando on, maybe in person for them to talk. I will back off that because what Orlando Brown specified

while after returning to Kansas City was there weren't enough guarantees in that contract for him. So that's why he turned it down. Lina Brown is listed at 6-8 and 344 pounds. So I think that would be a good conversation in person for you and him to have. Absolutely. Sounds perilous. Finally, Ryan Carrigan, happy trails. We saw him at the NFL Talent Summit being upstaged, you could say, by Gerald McCoy.

But it seemed like a very nice man and well put together, well-spoken. I could see him having a career media. Maybe we'll cross-pass. Maybe in this building. I think that's what he was going for by being at that summit. You know what? I kind of conflated memories. And for some reason, I thought he was like a fifth wheel on the Jenny Garth and Torrey Spelling discussion.

But he wasn't. He was somehow, he was separate that man. Yes. At the summit last month in Santa Monica, he was on the, hey, players, let's get real. Deis. Him and Gerald McCoy. And they were essentially telling us what it was like to be a player and deal with the media. I didn't like it because he's been showing up at commanders' practices,

and they say in an unofficial capacity, he's kind of checking out whether he wants to become a coach potentially. He's not ready to say whether he be hired. I wonder where he comes down on the... 95 and a half sacks, but I mean, that's quite a career. I looked him up. Consistently productive. As he was on the stage, I looked him up.

I said, wow, that's a nice career for the former 16th overall. Four Pro Bowls. I've seen people try to make Hall of Fame cases around pass. with similar-ish profile. I don't think Ryan Kerrigan will get any halafane pop, and I wouldn't personally put him in that category. But, like, 95 sacks for Pro Bowls, like sometimes those guys, they get thrown in the mix.

You wonder, Mark, given his ties to the commanders, what he feels about a certain five-sided government building in D.C. A lot of commanders in Washington, D.C. in the Pentagon. I don't, I would imagine. The weather clashes with your beliefs. I think it's fair to have. have a suspicion about what goes on in the Pentagon. It's one of my favorite training camp battles this year.

Sessler v. Pentagon. Who comes out at that? Why is that such a bizarre thing too? In the whole thing, too. All right, that's fair enough. Let's take a break, and we'll be right back with Whispers. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here.

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Like, if that's how the show flows, great. And Mark can make the decision whether to leave or not at that moment. You guys can talk until sunset. I found in them leaving at one o'clock in the past sometimes he'll say a hard out but the follow like he'll still just well it's been a big time week on the podcast and you were giving it to me a little bit early in the week about hands this time and then sometimes I show up a couple minutes late what about the other side the mark with the hard out stuff like that's that's a different type of thing what I yesterday specified that I would like to begin at 11 a.m. But you're a big hard out guy. And then we did not start until like 12-10. Especially as your career becomes more and more established. I feel like you're getting more and more vociferous with the hard outs.

As the season goes on, often the hard outs become harder, I feel like. I do, I do, this is fiction. I do know as like lately, like, look. Add that to the AI draw. Like we, you know, we're, we're big business now. We sign these deals. We got a lot going on. We're trying to plan out the season.

Sometimes, like, we got to have these meetings. after the show. And I have learned it's sometimes perilous to try to have an after show meeting with Mark and be like, okay, let's talk about that thing. It's like, oh, wait, where's Mark? Where to go? Cartoon, ding.

The listener has no concept of how fictional that this all is. It's just like a little fictional. I would say it's just a little. It's a lot. Where's Mark? All right, we love you, buddy. I love the both of you.

You know it's love. It is love. We don't want you. It is love. We know our time is finite with you. And we like to draw it out as much as we can because we know once you're gone, you're gone. I always return.

All right. Hey, me, Mark. How about some wiaspiers? All right. Let's get into it. Get me out of here. Let's get into it. Whispers from training camp.

Mark, why don't you start us, buddy? I'll go to Pittsburgh. That's been the most fun one. Whistburg. I think it was me who said a couple of weeks ago that I found the whole... Who said this podcast doesn't have sex appeal? Did you hear that? All three of us at the same time?

That was nice. It was alluring. That was raw. I was mentioning that I just thought the whole Mitch Trubisky thing was a tough sell on the fan base that why not, Kenny Pickett, your draft pick, your rookie. Just start them now and get him in there. But he has really, according to Mark Koboli of the athletic, really struggled in camp.

Notably, this is what he wrote. The Steelers' first round pick has been erratic and inconsistent throwing the ball as he has been saddled with all the third team reps throughout the ramp up period. I get that.

That's a little bit of a different thing. It has some believing it will be impossible for him to grow quickly enough to be a week one starter in Cincinnati, especially if Mitch Trubisky keeps progressing and Mason Rudolph continues to shine.

It's been Mason Rudolph that a lot of players have gone out of their way to totally praise, and he was completely an afterthought in this race. So at this point, my stance on Kenny Pickett is changing. I realize it's camp practices and stuff, but in another universe, he's shining from the neck up. He's in total command of it.

His throws look perfect, and that's not the case at this point. It's a good nug. It's a good way to start. I also caution to get too caught up. We just turned the calendar over to August. He's figuring out how to play at this level. I know he knows where all the bathrooms are in the facility, but otherwise he is a rookie

and he's probably swimming a little bit. Let's see what he's like in three weeks. Let's see when the preseason comes around. But it's starting to trend that direction with Trubisky, which I will raise my hand and say, I didn't think this is how it was going to play out, and maybe it is. Pickett's going to have a chance to play a lot in the preseason,

but going back to OTAs and mini camps, this has been the consistent drumbeat, that just he is a step behind. and the Rudolph appreciation has been there as well. And he's been there the longest. I don't think Mason Rudolph has virtually any chance to start week one, but I would absolutely take the over on one and a half Mason Rudolph starts for this season. And I just have to think that's worth pointing out,

Mason Rudolph's start last year against the Browns was a totally respectable normal, like good backup-ish start. That's all I'm saying. Like, he was okay. Yeah. Yeah, I guess for me, I'm not caught up. Like, you guys aren't caught up in the idea of Trubisky

exploding and finding his first round status in terms of ability. But Mason Rudolph is below that line even. Like, I'd rather see Trubisky in a new offense with a shot to lead a team in week one than Mason Rudolph, who I think we know who he is. It's kind of similar to your friends in Seattle.

I can already hear people coming at me being like he literally averaged 4.7 yards per attempt last year. But you got to watch that horrible Lions game. It was in crazy weather. When you go look at pro football reference after this season and you go to the Steelers 22 page, it's going to have three different starting quarterbacks who have started multiple games. I agree.

Before just moving off Pittsburgh, just because I find them really interesting, there's been a lot of hype about Calvin Austin and their other rookie. George Pickens, who was, George Pickens was my favorite receiver, maybe on tape in this entire class. And there are two people that Koboli and other writers are saying have not taken long to adapt and I think could have a pretty big role this season. Austin is more of, you know, the slot guy who catches 30, 40 balls. But Pickens is a really interesting rookie receiver to watch.

All right, Greg, how about you? Give us a whisper. All right. I want to start. Well, I have so many, you know, you were like, what are we going to get in? What are we not going to get in? I want to go positive. Let's go Travis E-TN, hypes.

Oh, you stole it from me. Emphasis on the E. We didn't get to see him last year. Was it an Achilles or Liz Frank? Great question. I think it was a foot injury last year for E. Digger. John Shipley, who's really good covering this team for s.i.com Jaguar Report, has said he thinks

he's the standout from day one. These are great daily reports that he's given. like the teams that have a reliable daily guy. And ETN, to his mind, looks like maybe the most explosive best player on that offense so far, that maybe the receivers haven't stepped up quite as much. Trevor Lawrence looks like he's definitely taking a step forward. But ETN's the guy that we really haven't seen as a pro that I'm excited to see. Not in the Hall of Fame game.

The Jaguars are playing Thursday night. They're not going to put him out there for that. I would expect he'd get some preseason snaps. We won't see him early. But he could absolutely have a monster role for them. Whispers that he'll be used in an Alvin Comera type way, a Debo type way potentially. And I think he's got a much better offensive coaching staff this time around than last year.

I could, I, who was the Jughead, the coach last year? Urban Meyer. Urban Meyer, I could totally see him making some comment in the media. Like, I didn't have a chance to, you know, coach Travis Aetian when he's blown up in October. I think that. I think you had enough, you had enough chances, Urban Meyer, to do all sorts of things. I think that's a great call. And like we just talked about recently,

one of the great Chris Wessling statements that he made was watch out for guys that pop in the summer and in training camp and in preseason at running back because that's usually a sign that these guys are ready to do damage. So maybe after a wipeout rookie season, what was it? What was it? It was the harlot, Liz Frank. And like I'm not saying we're all bad.

Scorpion woman. Like the writers aren't bad at being scouts. I'm not just saying, like, maybe we are, but it does feel like running back is an easier one where it's like you know it when you see it. Well, you can see their conditioning. You can see their lateral explosion. You can see how they're moving.

Tyson Campbell, their second year cornerback, getting a lot of hype there too, and he finished last year really strong. So that draft class that Urban had might end up working out for Peterson. What a legacy. He'll let everyone know exactly. All right, let's stay optimistic. I like that.

How about some? Optimism. Who's the long time Don Pardo of Saturday Live? Steven Seagall. Peter King, the great Peter King of NBC Sports. He had two dispatches, well, many, but among them that Wondell Robinson,

their second round pick out of Kentucky, has been, quote, the star of the Giants offense throughout training camp. They love the way he's looked and how explosive he's been and how they've been using him all over the field and how that could that could absolutely open up a Giants offense under Brian Dable that could use a little juicy. He also, King, reported that Sequin Barclay.

Take this with a grain of salt if you wish, but I'm just letting you know that Sequan Barclay, quote, looks very good early in camp. Health-wise has answered every bell and has had a solid off-season and you wonder if with a better offensive line and a better coaching staff, whether Barclay can,

I don't know if he ever gets back to that guy flesh out of Penn State, but can be a true RB1. And the most important part of all this, Daniel Jones, I'll report, I can, I will not report, but I will tell you the reporting out of Giants camp just today this morning.

This from Jordan, I always get this one. Renan, Ronan, Renan. Here's the quote. Daniel Jones absolutely tearing it up today at Giants camp. Connor Hughes, who recently moved from the Jets beat to a hybrid New York beat, also reported I had Daniel Jones 14 of 16 today through two touchdown passes and a pick. And I don't know what else to tell you other than watch out a little bit, just a little bit.

keep your eye on the Giants in the NFC East. I know the Eagles are hype bunnies, and I know the Cowboys that are defending champions, but with better coaching. That's a big step from like, watch out for them as a fun team and watch out for them winning the division. I want to add a little nugget.

But maybe a fun team in the NFC East is a team that could be in the race in December. I want to add a little nugget to that because if you look at what happened to Cadarius Tony this offseason, and there's moments from last year where it was like, I have a good feeling this guy is going to make a big difference if he sticks with the Giants.

They were going to trade him. They decided not to do that. When they drafted Wondale Robinson, they have a very similar skill set. Instead of, you know, that washing away Tony's role, like he's completely healed his relationship with Brian Dable. They're not like playing Cadarius Tony. He's a rapper.

Like they're playing his songs during warmups and stuff. Oh, I like that. And Cadarius Tony, because he was a bit of a headcase last year. You think Joe Judge was doing that? I don't think so. No, exactly. He said that that appreciate, he appreciated that from the coach because it showed a willingness to build a relationship.

with me and day balls turn around and said i think he's a very loyal loyal guy about tony that um he's been a tremendous skill set they are using wantdale robinson and tony they start practice with them taking handoffs with the running backs they're using them out of the back field of a ton and they're going to both be on the field at the same time and i'm with you i think the giants are slightly spicy there's a backfire potential though when you play one of the guys on the team's rap like you know some of these guys that all professional athletes or a lot tend to want to be rappers

and all rappers want to be professional athletes that's been going on forever but you wonder if if it's bad if it's bad and then Leonard Williams doesn't know it's Wondell and he's like wow this is terrible I think Tony is making it very clear

that it's his songs yeah let's make it clear hey guys this is the Kentucky kids like fledgling rap career no it's Tony's but yes Tony's oh it's Cadarious to your point we're thinking some maybe thinking

it's Wondell Robinson let's just make sure it's very clear. Davele has also mentioned that, you know, he's been honest. He's like, I like some of his songs better than others. He's a top 10 football insider. The Wondale pick was not popular, but if you were going to pick a coach that would know how to use a guy his size, Wondale Robinson, well, I think it would be Brian Dable. And maybe it's just like an Isaiah McKenzie and Buffalo role for him. To me, they're not that similar. I mean, Tony's at least 15 pounds bigger, can win on the outside a little more, is one of my favorite making the leap candidates.

And, yeah, they have that opening game in Tennessee. All right. And then you get the Panthers week, too, before a Monday nighter against the Cowboys, or maybe it's a Sunday night. It's a prime. Okay, show me something, Giants early. Be that team that Dan was talking about that gets out fast and gets everyone too excited. I would like that.

How about it's mid-December and the Eagles and Cowboys are eight and six, battling it out? for the NSE's title, but they're the Giants. Quietly, 7 and 7, right behind them. But if I had to pick a new team, the Giants might be it, because that's the team that we grew up watching. And, yeah, that's your neck of the woods. Really in Connecticut, when we were there, and I grew up only 15 minutes from Connecticut,

you were a different part. But the part of Connecticut you were, I would guess Giants were the most popular team. We'd never get the Patriots. You'd get the Jets and Jets and Jets and Jets and Jetson CERC. and Leonard Marshall there anymore. But maybe this new crop of players will all gel this year. I mean, Joe Morris is like 52 years old at this point.

Right. Joe Morris ain't walking through those doors. How about another whisper? All right. How about we go to... You want me to do one. Yeah, then we all went, right? I think that I'll go to San Francisco.

There was... Trey Lance has had a slow start, according to report. I have Trey Lance fatigue, by the way. Up and down. No, not. It's not the same thing as... Anybody else have Lance fatigue? No, it's August 2nd, bro.

I don't. I think this is interesting, but this has actually, it's a good thing about the Niners because the reason this is happening. They talked about the fact that he was on the field with Debo Samuel, Brennan Ayuk, George Kittle, Elijah Mitchell, Trent Williams, Mike McGlinch. They were all out there, and they were struggling. And it wasn't just because it's Trey Lance. It's because their defense has been on fire during training camp. And NFL Network was there today, and they said the same thing that they view themselves as, we're good with the Trey Lance thing. But what we really see ourselves is a team that centers around defense this season.

They're a top five unit, and they have been dominating Camperley, which happens. That happens in. Defense is ahead of the offense right now. In general, yes, but I think that sort of raises my biggest concern about the 49ers, which is their offensive line. And right now, Trent Williams is coming off of an injury, but they're potentially, you know, starting Jake Brendel at center. They have a rookie Buford that they've been giving looks with.

the first team at guard. Aaron Banks is another guy there. Brunskill, like, on paper, it could be problematic. And then you have to go up against one of the best defensive lines in the league every day in practice. It's not too surprising to me that they're getting worked.

Even though the 49ers are short a couple of linemen now, they lost Maurice Hurst, who had a good chance, was going to make their team for the entire season, and their best defensive tackled. Eric Armstead's out a couple weeks. But that always gets you worried, like, when one side of the ball for your team is just dominating the other.

Like, do you want to spin positive or is it because their offensive line stinks? It's positive and negative. I don't know if it was sauce gardener or maybe it was DJ Moore. Had a pick six of Zach Wilson. I was like, yeah. Oh. It's tough. Okay.

People giving Ayuk a lot of love, though. I'm definitely feeling like the IUC bounce back hype year because his number is actually in the last eight games of the year. He had more receiving yards than Debo Samuel. He was a top 15 in the NFL receiver in the last eight games of the year. That could be a nasty... He escaped the Shanahan Doghouse during last season. Right, then a nasty one-two punch because he, to me, is like a special guy after the catch. I meant DJ Reed, not DJ Moore.

Greg. DJ Reed. I thought that was a nice little signing. Whisper. It's a good roster. All right, I went positive initially. We got to mention our friend Carson Wentz. over there in Washington

because I think he's like he's got the right idea that he's trying to maybe trying to take command. As we all know decided to really go ahead and start to take command. The best part of that is that you because the way we need to set that up, that also gives our producer plenty of

time to dig up the drop. I just I read their daily practice report every day and like early in camp, the one thing you don't see across the league is just like well he missed a lot of receivers before there was tackling, before there was pads. And Washington's now added the pads to the mix.

But essentially every day, they're just talking about that Carson Wentz is not accurate, that he misses a ton of throws against air, which has been his problem to begin with. And if you're not getting that first training camp with the team sort of preseason hype, I'm not going to overreact. Obviously, what Wentz has done on the field in regular season play is more important. But he just doesn't shoot straight. Like, if that's happening when you're going against air, it's definitely going to happen when you're under pressure.

Yeah, there was also around the Washington, the erstwhile Washington football team. I guess they still are the Washington football team. Curtis Samuel, there is, quote, some concern from Ron Rivera about his conditioning, and he's also been dealing with some hamstring and lower back tightness. This comes after the groin injury ruined his first season with Washington. It also kind of reminds you, so that's not ruling out,

Curtis Samuel is being a big time player for them. But remember the hype around Curtis Samuel going into free agency last year. They need him to help make Carson Wentz better because Carson Wentz, we know what we have here. He has a little scattershot. He can get hot, but he goes through cold streaks. His leadership can be questioned fairly. He is who he is. I mean, Samuel $34.5 million contract played 84 offensive snaps.

And now there's some concern over his conditioning. I don't like that at all. Got paid, though. Whisper. Whisper. Greg, I was just pulling up your roster, projected, roster reset.

Did it used to be called roster reset? And then it became projected starters? Those are two separate. Different franchises. Franchises. Active? Both active still? Projected starters, very active.

I believe roster reset is still done by the news desk. I was looking at the cults. depth chart and what their starters look like because there's been so much optimism around Matt Ryan and what he brings to that offense as Carson Wentz's replacement. That's just an accidental great transition.

Not taking credit for it. Take credit. It's a Dan Hansis shout out. Paul Red says it's cool. We love Jonathan Taylor. We love Michael Pittman's ability. Paris Campbell's a big part of this, though. they kind of need another guy to step up

unless you're a huge Moe Alley Cox fan and according to Colts.com's J.J. Stankovitz. Yes. There was a Yankee. Stank. There was an all glove, no bat shortstop during the dark Yankee days of the early 90s named Andy Stankowitz.

I remember that guy. It was a fan favorite. Could not play. But a memorable name. J.J. Stankovitz reports that Paris Campbell and Matt Ryan have shown a strong connection during the early days of Colts training camp. We shall see if that carries over.

That would be my one question about this whole Matt Ryan Renaissance that people in the Midwest, obviously, are getting pumped up about. Does he have enough around him to be a difference maker as a pastor of the football? We know he'll be able to hand it off to the great running back. Paris Campbell, a big piece of this. Bob Kravitz of the athletic added to the Matt Ryan hype and the Paris Campbell hype, saying that basically Campbell is impressed nonstop. He looks as quick and explosive as he did before all the health issues.

So that's positive. With Matt Ryan, they said that the offense has been moving at warp speed. And I took this from Frank Reich as a slapdown of Carson Wentz to some degree. He said we had the same number of plays we had in the past, but we actually finished 10 minutes earlier both days, Wednesday and Thursday. And that's because of the quarterback. That's because the quarterback is pushing the tempo. Mark loves Matt Ryan.

Like, they're two birds of a feather. Do you what? I'm just saying, like, I'm just saying that it's been nonstop verbal hype about that, right? He's, like, got a hard out. He is the quarterback Mark would walk. I thought you meant because they're both intense whites. Well, they are?

You're saying that the quick tempo nature. I'm saying, like, Matt Ryan gets everyone done with work faster. Like, that's your kind of guy. Do you not take that a little bit as, like, the last guy, Carson Wentz, not only physically did he have issues. Oh, no, you're right. Neck up. No, you got it.

Nailed. I think they are absolutely thrilled. They've soured on Carson Wentz to the point where by the same day of the final game of the season, they were like, we are done with this dude. The owner literally summoned everyone back to the team facility that night after a road game in Florida and said, hey, we're firing the quarterback. And you're next if this doesn't get better. So, yeah, I think they were ready for the best start.

Paris Campbell loved, reminds me a Wes. Wes loved Paris Campbell that first year. And that's the thing is this is this is Paris Campbell's season and I've heard an interview with him or I read an interview with him and you just hope for the best for a guy like that because you know the mental struggles

that a player goes through when he's injured and out the whole season. This has happened three straight years for him where he's sort of, usually he flashes in August and you're just like crossing your fingers that it can continue. Don't put that juju on him, dude. What do you mean?

I'm trying to put the opposite. Put it on him, but you put it in the air. It's the context of everything about him, and he knows it, and he's like, he's talking about, you got to. He was saying how you really appreciate the days you're out there now because of everything he's been through. But, yeah, it would be an amazing story, and they could use him to be a big time threat. All right. I ended on a positive. That was good.

I also like number one wide receivers. Just looks good. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm looking at his game log last year. I think he only has 300 career yards because he just hasn't been able to play. I think he's played two or three games every year, one or two. He had one catch for 51 yards and a touchdown in week six last year

and then disappeared. Remember that play, yeah. That must have got hurt that game. That was a bomb from Wentz. Wentzitt? That's some nice throws. All right, want to go one more time around? Sure.

Sure. I like what do you mean? That's it. We got nine minutes until the deadline. I'll just be quick about the one and maybe we can get around more. I like when players pop up you've literally never heard of before, and Lamar Jackson's been talking up Isaiah Likely, their rookie tight end calling him Little Mark.

Well, like unlikely. He said that in an interview with our guy, Claibon on NFL Network. Nice, nice get for Claibon there. Nice. And so that's a rookie tight end. They're going to be playing a lot more two tight end sets. Calling him Little Mark for Mark Andrews is high praise. So that's like someone I'm watching in the preseason, Isaiah Likely.

Never heard of him practically before. What you got, Mark? Zion Johnson, Chargers Camp. their first round guard, who is a big part of that line. He's next to Storm Johnson, who has been problematic. Corey Lindley basically said that he's lived up to the bill right now. It's the first day in pads, but everything we thought he is, he is. He's been a really good player.

The writers, Daniel Popper of the Athletic, has been raving about him too. It's kind of the way that you felt when you watched for Sean Slater's first reps, that you just knew he was that guy. So if this checks out and it sounds good, that's big for Justin Herbert, big for that offense. All sorts of adoration around Alan Robinson at Rams camp. And the more I think about it, with Cooper Cup there, with maybe Odell Beckham, but with Cooper Cup there. And Higbee's there still. Coming off the Triple Crown Season Cup, Alan Robinson just signed a new deal, healthy, motivated to show he's still a dude.

Doesn't it feel possible that Alan Robbins, this is more a prediction than anything, is going to be a dog this year in that offense with that quarter? Beck. Totally agree. He might be your value guy. Oh, we got our hand up. What do you got? Gravedigger. I was at Rams.

Yeah. Do you want me to do that? Yeah, you know that. By now, sure. Grave Digger is going to have a take. It's a little tardy, actually. We were out at Rams training camp yesterday for Bench with Beneta podcast. Right.

And Alan Robinson showed out. I mean, he had three or four catches that had the crowd going crazy. I feel like a big season is in store for this. How about this? Why don't we head to Rams camp in a couple days and see for ourselves? That's a great. That's a really good idea. I would love it for Robinson.

An underrated player throughout his career coming off a bad year. Can we get Alan Robinson on the show? I will request it. Let's talk to Alan Robinson about his incoming monster all-pro season. Did you steal guests away from us? I don't think it necessarily works like that. Well, it's worked that way in the past. Possibly.

I will say possibly. Also, if you're watching this on you, It's like something to talk about after the show. Why is Sean Kelly, every time I look at him, he's closer and closer to you? He's waiting for the cam. You're actually shoulder to shoulder. Is it just so he can be on camera again? He loves the camera.

Stapelton is rolling. Waring around the NFL T-shirt. Reping the brand. Get those in, you know, on our, wait, you can't get them, even though we could probably sell thousands. At no point will this company ever say, maybe we can leverage our, that incredibly loyal listenership into some merch. No. Zero licensing rights for us.

I would want that. Oh, wait, you're up. No, I just did. Alan Robinson's going to be a stud and we're going to see him at Rams Camp. One more quick one. Here we go. I, ooh. It's not your turn.

Mark. I'm going more than one. No, you're right. No, is Mark. DeAndre Swift. Every time I read about him, people are glowing. The report says he operates at a different speed from anyone else around him. And during camp this week, he pulled away from the,

from the defense on a few big runs Saturday, Jamal Williams as well. They want to run the ball. They got a great offensive line. I think it's a big year for D'Andre Swift. I like that. We've segged into predictions. I like it.

You got a prediction? No, I'm going to give a rapid fire whispers. So far, Ikamikonw is about that second team life in Carolina. Just something to keep an eye on. You always just pencil in these top ten picks. Like they're going to be game changers right away. And it makes sense. He's behind Brady Christensen.

and you bring a guy along slowly, but he might be a little rock. Where did you have him on the projected starter series? As a starter, certainly. Yikes. You got a lot of time, but something to watch. Romeo Dubs getting it done in Packerland. If you're going to be a rookie receiver with Aaron Rogers,

what a name, Romeo Dubs. Maybe he's ahead of Christian Watson early. And then I'm buying a little Dolphins offensive line hype. Austin Jackson is suddenly in super good condition, which has not always been the case. And then Connor Williams, they're playing at center, which is surprising. And I just think that's sort of the one thing on their team

that can really improve the most. And on paper, I think Mike McDaniel can get it done. That's more of a prediction. But there was some news in there. Connor Williams from the Cowboys at Center is quite a surprise. This shows you how fast things go in the NFL. The 21st overall pick of the 2020 draft is Jalen Rager. Nick Siriani, the Eagles coach, said he's battling for a roster spot in camp.

What happens with some of these guys, the wide receivers that are taking high, If they don't pop, if they don't flashed, they don't have a role, and they don't play special teams, all of a sudden, it's like, uh-oh, what are we going to do with you? And you trade for AJ Brown, absolutely. What are we going to do with you? The Eagles did what the Cowboys did not do this off. He wasn't a wide receiver.

Ian reported our guy Rapshry reported that second round pick, Tevin Jenkins. Another guy, everyone was just like, slot him right in. He's going to be their left tackle and prove them right away. Second round pick from last year, Dan, is on the trade block. And I would guess they're going to give him up for almost nothing. They're basically giving up on him after only one season with the team. And finally, I feel like this is a good way to close from one of our friends at the athletic, Michael Sean Dugar.

Oh, yeah. That's MSD. Great reporter. Whisper. And now, another edition of Sipping on Vino, checking on Gino. Listen, man, Gino Smith. is going to happen this is happening let's let's let jimmy g parachutes in and somehow is ready to roll gno smith is going to win this job it looks like he's running with the first team

offense and um michael shan dougar as i said uh said that drew lock exclusively pretty much lock has been a second team guy and p carroll had pqa by the way is covid right now as does kiler murray just FYI and yeah they're out they're both out for both out right now had this to say, presumably before he went into COVID hiding. Gino's in the lead right now, and he's ahead, and so he's going to, he ain't looking back, and he's going to for him. And Drew's not going to take a back seat, so it's something going to happen, you know, and Jake will be there if we need him, so it's going to be exciting to see. I mean, they also mentioned that they've both been very up and down.

I've been tracking this daily, and it sounds like the offense hasn't gotten a lot done, no matter who's behind center. that Gino like cooks up the second team when he gets the chance which that's good but otherwise Can I hear that again? There's just something inherently humorous to me about the entire quote. Gino's in the lead right now and he's ahead and so he's going to, he ain't looking back and he's going for it. He ain't looking back.

You don't have a quarterback. Good luck. Well, that's it for that episode. And that was another edition of. Sipping on Vino. Checking on Gino. All right. Like we said, we have Connor Orr, better late than never.

He'll be joining us tomorrow, we hope. Wednesday. Wednesday. It's the day. Wasn't his fault. He was supposed to be on today, but guess what? The NFL exploded over the last two days with big news out of Cleveland. He extended the story, Connor, or doing some good reporting,

learning through a source that Tom Brady would not be punished. He was the first one. There you go. He's a passionate writer. He's a great reporter and he was busy and I absolutely. He said, can we push this? I said, absolutely. So we're pushing it until tomorrow, barring some other Mondo news story that Sports Illustrated needs him for.

Well, no, he's not allowed to cancel two days in a row. It would be a little weird. Yeah. But again, it wouldn't be his fault necessarily. I think we get how the business works. But I would like to see him show up tomorrow. Team slogans Wednesday show. And yes, we are heading to Rams Camp on Friday.

It's 1 o'clock. Hard out. And before that, we will talk to Justin about his little off-the-cuff comment about something about going to camp with Rachel's podcast on Monday could adversely affect this show. He seemed to not so. I don't think so. Was that what he was saying there? I think it's enough. I don't want to put words in his mouth.

Is that what you took out of that? I'm still processing. Okay. Let's talk about that. We'll have a lot to update. This Tim Patrick news doesn't look good. Might have an update there. Well, it's 1 o'clock. So maybe we should close her out.

Cue the music. The man's got to go. Where? No one knows. No one asks either. Till Wednesday, heed the call. Hey, Hey, everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here.

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