NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Draft picks we want to see

Episode Date: April 12, 2017

A room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Chris Wesseling, & Gregg Rosenthal – recap all the latest news from around the NFL including Jarvis Landry predicting the Dolphins will sweep the Patriots in 2017, and defensive end Dion Jordan signing with the Seahawks. Then the heroes talk about the best fits for some of the most high profile, day-one draft prospects. Plus, we hash out the great Wesselmania cornhole controversy of 2017.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by a room filled with, Heroes. And I mean it. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosethol. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan. All right. Happy Wednesday to everybody. Oh, Wes, did... I was just going through my tweets for a little exercise that we're going to do in a few minutes. But I did tweet yesterday on the conversation of all our Dad Rock Talk on Wednesday show that I overheard someone in the newsroom got engaged at a third eye blind concert and then two smart Alex I'll call them replied was it Wes congrats Wes and you replied one word blocked I'm legitimately

curious did you actually block those people no I was just having fun with them I did not block them I understood that they were only having fun with me sometimes you just got to let people pick on you okay all right I was like a legitimately curious if how deep you're blocking, you know, vengeance goes. Well, I think it'd be fair if you found out someone that you follow got engaged at a third-eye blind concert. That is worthy of blocking them. I agree with that.

Got engaged during the current arc incarnation of third-eye blind or way back in like 1997. That would have been the low- I can say this because I don't know who this is. A recent engagement. Getting out blindly. Third-eye blind has a weird career arc that they are kind of a one-album wonder from 1998,

but then they caught another wave of popularity, especially with younger people, to the point where they're selling out the Hollywood Bowl currently. It's a very strange situation with her. I mean, our show could take the same exact trajectory. That'd be cool. On the subject of all our dad rock conversation and Chance the rapper, Mark,

which gives us our bona fides, you know, we're cool, too. I listen to, I listen. Hey, I told you that I would, instead of just critiquing him on the last show, which was a little bit, you know, premature. I went and listened to quite a bit of his library or some of it. Four songs, probably. Five songs. Like him a lot. Chance.

All right. Hey, here's some tweets. People have their own opinions. Okay. Sam Shepard tweets, Aaron Rogers equals Oasis. Came out huge with everyone waiting for the follow-up, but can't get over fighting with family members. It's a terrible, terrible comparison. I mean, Aaron Rogers had the best season, you know,

maybe any quarterbacks had years after his first Super Bowl win a title. Isn't Sam Shepard the one-armed man? Sam Shepard, the actor slash playwright? Is that a fugitive joke? Yeah, I think, wasn't that his name, Sam Shepard? Maybe, because it did ring a bell there. I think Harrison Ford, I don't know, the television show. That's probably what you grow up with.

Based on one of the great true crime stories of American history. The Fugitive is my favorite movie of the 90s other than Shawshank Redemption. I love The Fugitive. What a movie. Tommy Lee Jones, Harrison Ford. I've never seen the fugitive. Really? You've got to check that out.

Please see it. And Tropic Thunder. I still have the DVD in my drawer waiting for you to borrow it. Remember, Greg was born as a 30-something about nine years ago. Came out of the birth canal, a fully formed 32-year-old man. So why would you have seen the fugitive? With a 5 o'clock shadow. There's something to make any.

sense what like i've seen just as many movies give me a break here's another one uh eli is jacob dillon two hits and a lot of credit for it but his last a lot of credit for his last name this doesn't make patin bob okay lousy husband is the name of that twitter handle that's pretty good yeah andy georgian uh writes joe flacco is limp biscuit tough to believe it ever happened it's fair and he has another one might be a music fan he's from ohio

Steve Young is fish, wild improv, but living in a much better shadow, Montana slash Huey Lewis. He's in the Huey Lewis? I think he was knocking down to some degree of the idea that Steve Young was the Grateful Dead, that he would have been. Right, right, right. It makes sense. The Huey Lewis bit. I don't get that part.

I know. I think they were friends, actually. All right. All right. Anyway. Andy, again, Troy Aikman and the triplets are Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. There's talent, but nothing without the whole package. I disagree on that.

Tom Petty had some very big moments as a solo artist as well, even with some help from outside heartbreakers. Let's see. She's also in the traveling Wilburys. Yes. CB at Corey Bach. Tom Brady is Kanye both loved and hated, but no doubt the greatest. I like that.

I don't know about no doubt there, but I like that his, you know, what people think of Kanye and Brady tends to change. every two or three years. He can be hated. He can be loved. He can be all sorts of them. I'm content with Tom Brady as the Beatles. The romantic Jaguar at Jack Payne 93.

Eli Manning equals Janet Jackson. Now I like that, which makes Peyton Michael. Give me a break. Janet Jackson's way better than Eli Manning. Yeah. Janet Jackson stands on her own for some great album. Yeah. Unlike Eli.

Yeah. Cannot stand on his own. Right. 15-yard-year NFL starter, franchise quarterback with two Super Bowl MVP. He can't stand on his own. Average quarterback for 15 years. One day, guys, you'll come around on this. Josh Clark.

Sanchez equals spinal tap. A lot of laughs, but not a real QB. That we're having fun. That was my favorite. Alex Ray. I think Eli is cold play if Peyton is U-2. Wants to be U-2, but isn't. That's fair.

Tom Savage's comp is The Wonders. Tom Savage is real. That thing you do. The Tom Hanks, directed picture. I love that movie. Yeah, great movie. Came out of nowhere to popularity, not real.

So fun, a fun little exercise. And finally, Bill Goodell writes, you can check Dad Rock podcast off the list. Don't need to do it because we already did. Thanks, Bill Goodell. All right, today's show, which of course is sponsored, which it is certainly not. You guys think that's Roger's brother

should be worried about his older brother, Bill. Not happy with their podcast? I don't think the older brother has any concept the show exists. Nor does the younger brother. Let's keep an eye on this Twitter handle, though, just in case. The Around the NFL podcast is driven by Hyundai, which rhymes with Sunday. And on today's show, we will have some news to get to. We are what?

What are we? Two weeks away from the draft now? That's correct. Two weeks. In the day. April 27 to 29 in Philadelphia and this year, it's outdoors. Sell it, baby. Don't pretend.

Yeah, Wes. Sell it. It could be 28 degrees. It could be 62 degrees. You never know. Vest that pension, Wes. Oh, yeah. No, but it's a fair point by Wes because normally, you know, you're just, it's just name is being written off a card.

But this time, it's name is being written off a card. Outdoors! Oh, yeah. They've done it outdoors before. But not all. Not the entire draft. 100%, bro. Outdoors.

Should be sponsored by Patagonia. Yeah, and on the subject of the first ever all-outdoor draft, you know, could rain, by the way. I don't want to throw it out there, but there's a little... It's like having a wedding. It's a little sexy. It's a little sexy. It's a little risky. April in Philadelphia, that could be anything.

A little bit of a wild card. We are the first to tell you that we might not present ourselves or believe ourselves to be draft experts. But now we're all starting to plug in a little bit because it's becoming a part of our world very quickly. So we're going to talk about what are the draft fits that we want to see as fans of NFL football after coming off a 2016 season,

you know, have a good kind of handle on, and what those teams maybe were lacking last year. What's happened in free agency? Have holes been filled? What's been addressed? What hasn't been? What do you want to see? Mark, I think you've got opinions on this one,

and I'm looking forward to it. I have one. A single opinion, but a strong one. Correct. They won't say you're on the fence after this opinion is shared. Nope. That's a tease, baby.

And if we have time, we'll have a guest, swing by. So that's Wednesday show, and let's get to the news. Wonderful, La Cid. It's all the news that's fit to make up. That's fair. That was Andrew Siciliano. Speaking to us during one of our NFL network hits, Greg, you want to tell the people about our NFL network. We've been on daily this week on Up to the Minute Live 5 p.m.

Eastern, 2 p.m. Pacific. We're usually on about 540 to 5.50 or so is one. I mean, if you literally got up to get an orange and even started peeling it, you'd miss it. So you have to be locked into the chair. It's about two and a half minutes long. All right. Let's, oh, Kevin Patcher wrote it in his lead for this story we're about to talk about. So we might as well heed his call.

Sound the trope alarm, Lassid. troplanet tropeanat Every year There's some team or some player on a team that starts popping off about the Patriots This week it's Miami Dolphins wide receiver Jarvis Landry

who told a crowd in London this week that the Miami Dolphins will sweep the New England Patriots in the 2017 regular season in every division in division. You play each other twice. Two wins, home and away, coming for the dolphins over the pats. He then expanded on those comments to Peter King. Here's his quote.

If you're a competitor, that's the way you should feel. And I don't mind saying it. It's time for a change. I have all the respect in the world for the Patriots, and I respect Tom Brady tremendously. But they're not our big brother anymore. Let's dissect that, starting with the man that resides on the 3rd. Throne of ease, Greg Rosenthal.

I mean, it's the right attitude. It doesn't really mean anything. Rex Ryan thought talking in public, like, we're not afraid of those big, bad bullies, was going to make a difference. I did like the fact, though, when Landry said, Coach Gase flipped the switch with us. New England's won the division 14 of the last 16 years.

It's ridiculous. It's a problem. I kind of like that Coach Adam Gase is bringing this up to the dolphins. Don't, you know, don't hide from it. That this is ridiculous. We can't just ignore. it we need to do something about it i mean i get it your quarterback isn't much of a leader he doesn't say much so you've got to take the bull by the horn as a coach you mean or lander ryan tanahill is not much of a leader

for the dolphins so i get that jarvis landry stepping into that vacuum got it and getting everyone to kind of get on the same page with adam gase that this is the tone we're setting but give me a break the dolphins are always april's champions and then let let's hear jarvis landry say the same thing the week before he plays the Patriot. I agree with that. And though, I mean, there has been positive buzz from Dolphins players toward Adam Gase from the minute he got there. And last year, I think at least showed that the rest of the teams in that ridiculous division, the Dolphins are one step ahead of the bills and the Jets, if not many more steps towards challenging New England. But when you finish your opening

quote with, but they're not our big brother anymore, how about you go sweep them? And then the next season, you go sweep them again. And then you do it a third time. Then you talk about who who the big brother is. Win a Super Bowl, too. Good for you! What a Super Bowl, too. I mean, that's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I'm fine to be a competitor. We get what you're saying with that part of it.

You're thinking one way, but you know this is going to be rattled around a slow April period, make headlines everywhere. What is the point of it? I actually don't have a big problem with the quote till the part that got on your radar, Mark, the big brother line. You're certainly little brother, just like every other team in the division is until you're not even sibling changes yeah right you're a little kid down the block who's not good at football exactly and and and that's where i got on my radar i would i mean that's what i've been calling for

for a year and a half now hashtag save football it is indeed time for a change but i don't know if the dolphins are the team to make that happen i mean ironically the dolphins have given the patriots more trouble over bill bellichick's run than any team in terms of head-to-head matchups they don't win the division but they split with them three straight years you know joe philbin you split with him three straight years. So this is a team that going down to Miami has given them a little trouble over the years. And I think what Landry said

is true about some teams. He said sometimes we focus on the guys on the other side of the line instead of just focusing on us. And we've heard that, that coaches especially sometimes get a little crazy when they play Belichick. They try to outsmart. But wait, we were just giving them credit for saying they're focusing on New England. They're obsessing over the

Patriots. It's a good point. The very fact that you're calling them your big... You don't hear the Patriots talk. The Patriots are the ends Drapers scene. They don't think about the Dolphins at all. Yeah, let's hear Don actually. I don't think about you at all. And Greg, you know what?

That's not fair. You can't even give me that. The Jets went into Foxborough in a playoff game and beat your Patriots. At least give me, and they almost always play them tight. The Jets at least have put up a fight against the Patriots. Absolutely, but it's a fact that Miami has won. If you go look, the Miami has won more games against Bill Belichick and a higher winning percentage than any team in the division by far.

We got to play a game. They beat him a lot. For whatever reason, it's just happened that way. And by the way, Rex Ryan said the, we didn't come here. You got a playoff win. That's pretty good. Against a number one seat. That's pretty great.

That's what I'm made. 14 and 2. Brady was the MVP. Nearly a decade ago at this point. A long time ago. January 2009 was when Rex Ryan made the Kiss the Rings comment. So it is now April 2017, and there's still Gibronies making these type of comments for the Patriots. And in 2009, the Patriots had been dominant for a decade.

enough he's right i mean it is funny because since he's made that comment the patriots have not lost the division once all right speaking of the dolphins a former dolphin is dion jordan one of the great draft busts in the history of the franchise uh he is heading back to the pacific northwest trying to get a fresh start here uh the former number three overall pick agreed to terms on tuesday with the seattle seahawks um rap sheet reported USA today had it first Jordan was waived by the Miami dollar what's a fortnight it's like two weeks two weeks only used actually now in reference to Wimbledon that's like the only time people ever use the word fortnight I feel Patrick I spent 13 years thinking it was 10 days

Patrick is a major grinder for the NFL dot com team he used Fortnite in this post it's one of those go-to words yeah anyway so do you do you on Jordan, Wes starts over in Seattle. Is he going to be on the team in week one? I don't know. Like we were in the meeting and Greg said they're planning on starting him. I said he had the chance to take that Bruce Irvin job. That's like how they seem, which makes sense.

He's kind of that skills. Give me a break. Let's see if he can actually get through training camp before we say he has a chance to start. I don't think that roster composition by way of getting as many players from the 2013 draft is really a great idea. Well, that is what interested me about this. And he could fit in that role. If someone can get some defensive talent out of him, it would be Pete Carroll. But that they have Luke Jockel, huge bust that now at left tackle, making a lot of money,

who is the number two pick. Arthur Brown, a second round pick of the Ravens who had a lot of hype, he's on the Seahawks now. And Eddie Lacey, of course, now with the Seah. It was very tiresome when the Deion Jordan thing happened. And I've just essentially turned off Twitter for like eight or nine hours in a row on these April workdays. but there was this bubbling up of what a high-value job by the Seahawks to get Deon. What are you talking about?

I mean, the guy was an absolute headache and a minus for the dolphins. It's one of these players that you're essentially rehabbing from the neck up or the neck down the entire time he's in your organization. And maybe it does work out for Seattle, but there's no known quantity at all here. It's a ghost. If you're rehabbing him from the neck up and the neck down, that pretty. Well, it's absolutely true. That covers the whole thing.

Because you're dealing with on the field issues and you're dealing with off the field issues. It's the whole, it's the whole, it's the, it's actually like the middle of his neck. That part's fine. They're not touching. They love. It's fine. Like the esophagus and then the circumference of the neck before you get to the base of the skull and then the clavicle, they, they, they fucking love that part. That part's good.

That probably is what got him this job. Moving on. Doug Martin, hey, this is interesting. At the NFL scouting combine early last month. General manager Jason Lick Light Excuse me I like lick

Why does it just go lick Save that for a sound drop Cindy Jason light Excuse me And Dirk Cutter They did not say Hey we can't wait to have

Doug Martin part of our team That is not what we heard Coming out of Indy Seemed to be very much up in the air Martin of course Who's suspended Went to rehab But it sounds like a second chance

Is coming Chris Wessling the veteran running back, expected to rejoin teammates for the start of offseason workouts next Monday. Rapsheet reported via a source close to the situation. Wes, your thoughts on this, and are you happy to see this? You think this is something that could be salvaged? Well, we've been wondering for four months whether he was even going to be on a team. When he got suspended, the guaranteed portion of the five-year, $36 million contract he signed last March was nullified. So the bucks could just easily cut ties with him.

Instead, they've kept them along. I texted rap sheet about this. Humblebrag. He told me Martin is doing amazing. Name drop. He also said that Doug Martin at this point is a low risk. He's not going to burn a roster spot because he's suspended so they can keep him on the roster. And worst case scenario, you draft another running back early in the draft and Doug Martin helps out in the backfield.

Best case scenario, he really comes through all of this with flying color, stays committed. and you saddle him up and maybe he does what he did in 2015. This is one of the more bizarre running back careers of late 2,400-yard-plus seasons and three seasons under 500 because of injuries and again because of off-the-field stuff. He's all over the map. Well, it sounds like, and we didn't know this about Doug Martin, but when this suspension for PEDs,

but then there was also a substance abuse element where he went to rehab came up, there was a lot of like, oh, yeah. everyone kind of, you know, behind the scenes knew that Doug Martin had some questions of motivation and struggles, perhaps, with substance abuse. So who knows, it makes sense to give him a shot, but he's also due $7 million. So even if he, if he's going to make the team, he better, I mean, he has to look incredible to get that money. You would think that they would redo his deal at some point, even if he does look good. But I think he's got to prove to them that he's worth doing that for.

moving on mark we're going to duck in to the end around see what's going on over there is that cool with you let's find out that's that's a vote of confidence

that's on the fence that is that is well I know where these things usually take us what does that mean there's a particular sound drop that I despise and it's probably

all right inside inside back hands for the truth go to the zoo I had nothing to do that. This invariably will be about something that you've done. Let's see how this goes.

You really just walked right into that. I did. That was not good job on my part. I have no reporting today. There's nothing to break. Well, that doesn't surprise me. No, but I'm saying like you set that up yourself. Again, I'm not proud that that happened.

That went very poorly. A lot of jealousy about the insider. It's something you can all do. It's just a matter of. I'm waiting to see an insider. I'm proud of you, Dan. Were you? Oh, Wes.

I was reading the big Tom Brady Jersey story in the MMQB, and they've got Dan Hansis in there. Well, I was going to say, are you a little worried that they came out with this huge, detailed, long form, you know, breaking some new stuff on your story? Supposedly your story. What do you mean supposedly? Well, they're the ones that are coming out with a long term. If you got mentioned in it, I think that's, now I'm sticking up for you. I think you're obviously embedded in the story. Let's try.

Like they had little tidbits like the guy who stole the jersey is a huge NFL fan who recently purchased, they went through his purchases, a Mark Sanchez Jets replica jersey. No, he's sold. I believe he sold it to the dude. This guy isn't into buying jerseys guy. The story is he sold a Sanchez replica jersey, signed jersey, actually a game used jersey, I think, to this dude in Mexico. Oh, yeah. And then they were going back and forth, and the dude's like, I, by the way, if you're interested, Mr. Harry Patriot fan, I have Tom Brady's Super Bowl 49 jersey.

And then this guy put it together. He's like, wait, because it had come out later that the 49 jersey was missing. I guess once it came to light that that was also stolen, this guy put it together and he contacted the FBI. It's a crazy story. Good job by him. Good job by Klemko. How much money is a Mark Sanchez jersey commanding on the black market?

Very strange purchase. But he, well, he got to get, Mark Sanchez has Mexican heritage. I get that. Maybe that's why. Okay. Anyway. Tom Brady has the number one selling jersey still.

I saw that on your Instagram. I agree with you. That was a ridiculous top 25 list. What are we doing here? If you have, if you're a Patriots fan, and the type of Patriots fans that buy. merch, you have to already have multiple Tom Brady jerseys, or at least one. Yeah, but when your team has been good for 20-something years, there are now a fresh

round of four, five, six, and seven-year-olds that don't have football jerseys. Just wait until the grandkids of the people buying jerseys now are still buying them because Tom Brady's still in his prime in 20 years. I mean, I'm just saying, it's surprising to me. They're picking up even more bandwagon kind of national fan. I get why it's frustrating to you. I mean, it should be frustrating to everybody. It just is just so, I mean, it's so tired.

This whole thing is tired. Gronk is number five on the list. Here is the top five. Tom Brady and then back-to-back Cowboys, which should never be surprising, especially this year. And I would have thought one of these guys would have been number one. Ezekiel Elliott, then Dak Prescott,

O'Dell Beckham, Jr., who will get to a little bit more in a second, and then Gronk at number five. And some third. Fun facts about the jerseys. Nobody likes fun facts, right? Fun facts are fun. That's what they call them fun facts. Buying time over here.

You're going to provide some. No one's helping you out. No. Good job, guys. Here we go. You still have an opportunity. Anybody could say anything they want right now about football or life while I'm looking for something. I would not purchase a jersey right now if someone were to give it to me for $5.

Yeah, neither. Well, no interest. And I would assume Wes would not either. If I could get a jersey for five bucks and I knew someone would probably want. Minus the re-gifting aspect. I don't want to say anything bad about my employer, but no. I'm not carrying much respect for grown men walking around with jerseys. Yeah, it starts to look a little strange.

I don't want to s on anybody that listens to the podcast. That's an adult that wears the jersey, but not everybody pulls it off and some people pull it off. I mean, I get it. You only wear it going to the game. I think that's fine. That's fine. with that at the stadium and stuff, sure. But don't wear it to like a christening.

You know what I mean? Especially there. You know, don't wear it. Oh, you're going out to the bar with your buddies and you're not going to watch the game. It's like May and you're going to watch the Cubs. You know, don't wear your Alshan Jeffrey jersey to the bar. Even if your name's Jeffrey. Yeah.

Plus your Alshon Jeffrey jersey really has no use anymore in Chicago. Right. Don't show up with your Tony Romo Mavericks jersey. By the way, those are going to talk about. cash grabs those were sold for like a hundred dollars at the Dallas Mavericks arena for that that whole situation on Tuesday where he sat on the bench sold out every Romo related merch there everything sold more Cuban knows how to make money was a good idea anyway three patriots in the total and the top 25 Brady gron because I told you Julian Edelman came in I think

at 15 which is pretty crazy too but and zero representatives from the other three AFC East teams. You could, it's a pretty accurate summation of the state of that division. Defense may win championships. It's not really true. Offense drives commerce. Only four of the top 25 top jersey sellers play defense, none in the top 10. Von Miller at 11 was the highest.

And a shout out to JJ Watt, who gives some heat around here. But hanging in the top 25, despite basically not playing last year, that's pretty good. I want to throw some shade at three states in the union. Okay. All right. Brady. The original union, nerd. The entire union.

This is the state of the union address on jerseys. More Brady fun. He was a top seller in all the New England states. Makes sense. But he also finished first in Nevada, Utah, Hawaii, Michigan, Illinois, and Florida. Okay. Those first three states, they don't have an NFL team, at least none of them. do yet. But the last three, Michigan. Okay, Michigan, you went there, blah, blah, blah.

But Illinois and Florida, guys. Florida, a lot of transplants. Come on. Come back to it. That's a little embarrassing. You got three. You got three NFL teams. Florida. Have you seen those three teams lately? How is Florida grandparents buying their grandchildren online sales from Florida are simply gifts going somewhere else in the country, Patriots, jerseys for kids somewhere else? Is that how this works? Snowbird factor. It's not, it's not necessarily, it's just store-bought. I think it's where, like, if you, I would have, I'm not involved in this industry,

but like where your, you know, your computer's coming out of, what city, what town, what region, that would be sales for Florida, not some other state. Looking for the next face of the NFL, keep an eye on Dak Prescott, who had the best-selling jersey in nine states, including Maryland and Tennessee. How about that? There's a bunch of people out there that aren't fans of a certain. team at all. They just love a player and they love the Cowboys colors. Raiders jerseys have sold uniformly across the country for years and it's not all because these people are

hardcore Raiders fans. Moving on. One other end around Tibbet. Odell Beckham sent out an Instagram on Wednesday of a new tattoo. It covers basically from just above his ankle, his right ankle all the way up to right beneath his knee. So the entire span of his cap. a large exquisitely rendered of Michael Jackson and looking, it looks like Michael Jackson circa 1984 range

around the thriller album with the comment tatted on me but that ish is deeper than the surface. Now I have a theory on this but Mark I'll start with you. What do you think O'Dell Beckham means when he writes,

tatted on me but that ish is deeper than the service well I'm saying the image is on my skin but my feelings from Michael Jackson since I was very young they come from he's affected my heart I love Michael Jackson O'Dell Beckham is saying that's true that's pretty good

that's very good and that's kind of what I wrote about there's an ego factor at work here too go on with no doubt well he sees a lot of similarities between himself he identifies right with Michael Jackson yeah that and that's what I at that he sees a lot of himself. He was a once-in-a-generation talent, universally praised for his gifts, but relentlessly

scrutinized by the public and press. That checks out. On a lower level, though, Michael Jackson was one of the most famous people in the entire world. Maybe the most famous person in the world. Beckham can exhibit odd behavior at times and feels that he's misunderstood. Unlike Michael Jackson. Certainly was that way.

And, you know, I get it. The guy that has it all, Jackson obviously had some demons. He sees a different man in the mirror. He sees Michael Jackson. It's just, it's people. Well done, Mark. Yeah, that was very nicely done. People will, oh, by the way, let's hear some Michael Jackson music.

Let's do it. Right now, if you are, and there are some kids out there listening to this show, MJ hasn't had a number one hit in 21 years. I looked at 22 years, almost eight years since his death. So you might not even be familiar with the king of pop. here is Michael Jackson or a facsimile of Michael Jackson

let's hear it I'd like to know if I could make it up turn this up please Ah I never thought you won't See he was just a master of the groove but also you could hear that vocal acrobatics

It's like a facsimile of Keith's sweat or something Keep them back to the normal. A lot of love making going out. That was after listening to that. You know, they have that whole Super Bowl babies commercial. They're going to have the Around the NFL podcast, April 12th episode commercial. Nobody was asking for that analysis. That was a turn back the clock to, what was it, seduction Fridays?

Yeah, I remember seduction Fridays. I don't remember what our stitcher looks like, though. And that's it. And finally in the news, Jeff Cumberland. Cumbie, my boy He signed a deal I believe with the Chargers They brought him back

Resigns with the Chargers Blue's Achilles last year Last time he was in the news The former Jets tight end Was getting booed At the Staples Center Shortly after the Chargers announced their move to Los Angeles

It's been a rough ride I believe at a Kings game or something really strange Maybe it was Clippers but very strange Comeby one of your One of your all-time favorites That's why he makes the show. Yeah, he would not make the show. Great guy.

He was a rigidly, and this will tie back into something later on in the show today, a rigidly middling tight end. But he occasionally made a play and frankly probably was the most productive tight end that Jets have had in five years, or at least since Dustin Keller went by-bye. And that is a dark, dark situation. That's what's happening in the news. All right, here we go. Let's talk about, well, you know,

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you might want to put the flannel away tomorrow because the cameras are coming out oh excuse me the plaid that looks good on you though yeah but he's got a paramour in his life that will not want that I was told by a

the head of photography at NFL media that you know be ready for the cameras to be there because these pictures could end up on a wall at NFL network so what are you wearing I don't know Daddy might have to hit up a Banana Republic.

Might have to get a new shirt. Certainly need one. Maybe this is the occasion. I mean, I've got about five or six to choose from like most of us in here. So it's not going to be that spectacular. You're going to Banana Republic to buy a shirt for this. Might go to BR. But Wes is the one to keep an eye on here.

Because Wes has the manned cannon to choose from. You have several of these shirts, these plaid shirts. You have the shirts that you're Paramour. Kind of put on you, if you will. Yeah, I used to have my own style. Now it's borrowed. So maybe, all right, this will be, aren't you guys interested?

It almost will be a peek into where Wes's relationship is, what shirt he'll be wearing tomorrow. I would say that this shirt might be the most loathed shirt in my collection, according to the Paramour. It's a great shirt. I like the shirt. I like it, too. I think it's Wes.

We're going to tweet it out. Okay. Here we go. What are the draft fits you want to see is the talking point right now? The draft is a couple of weeks away. So let's go around and talk about it. And Chris, I'm going to start with you, actually. I want to hear the man in the orange plaid shirt what he has to say.

What is a draft fit that he would love to see in 2017? Well, we talked about this on the network. hit Tuesday about the 2004 draft class, Philip Rivers, Ben Rothesberger, Eli Manning. Wouldn't it be smart for all of those teams, and in my opinion, especially the Giants, to get a quarterback in a draft where the best quarterbacks are expected to fall because they're not going to be ready

for a year or two or three years? So I think I would like to see Patrick Mahomes on the New York Giants. That would be a fit that I like. I think Mahomes, and yeah, we don't. don't dig into tons of draft stuff, draft prospects, but his name's been rising steadily, and he's an interesting guy, super strong arm. I think any team that needs a quarterback, if you were, if you wasn't one of those top five picks and you ran into him, it would be very interesting. The Giants, I could see the fit. I don't know if they need to go invest super

high this year if I'm the Giants, but you are not an Eli Manning believer and you see that career arc ending. Well, in point of fact, he helped. that team back last year. So if you see yourself as a championship caliber defense in the surrounding town on offense is right there too, it makes sense for some protection in a Jimmy G kind of way where if your quarterback goes sideways, not only are you protected. If he gets hurt, you're protected, but an extended slump you might have to turn to something. I think you've got to get in front of it. You can't wait. You can't wait around until the point where you need a quarterback because then you're the Browns or the Texans or the Bears paying too much for Mike.

Glennon or the Rams giving up way too much for Jared Gough. I think quarterbacks are so much more valuable than the entire rest of the team that what the Patriots have done, maybe it'll start a trend. Like they've taken three guys in the first three rounds during the last, what, seven or eight years, Mallet, Garoppolo, and Brissette. And that's the way to do it. You got to plan ahead. And it's okay if you blow on the pick.

Ooh, slides me off a piece of that, Jake Briskey. You blow on a lot of picks. You blow on half, you mess up half your picks anyways. So if you have a one in three chance of finding a quarterback that you end up really liking like a Jimmy Grappalo, those guys are so valuable that the Patriots won't even trade him away. And that's why I think that the Steelers, it makes a lot of sense for them as well to make a move here because, yeah, nobody was buying into Ben Rothberger retiring this year. And he probably won't retire next year.

And he might not even retire the year after that. But, you know, it's good to have somebody waiting in the wing, somebody you could develop. So if you can trade up, let's say if the Steelers traded up into the top of the second round and got one of the first quarterbacks off the board, I don't think it means that the Steelers think that Big Ben's going to follow through on his threat. I think they're being smart, just like the Patriots are smart, and they're reaping the benefits of that. My only caution is that it was accepted months ago

that there just is not a premier quarterback in this draft on any level. And good teams, good teams should just draft quarterbacks, bad team strapped quarterbacks every year. I'd be fine taking a quarterback every season for the sake of you never know when you're going to hit on someone up in the middle rounds. But the idea that Rivers, Manning, and Big Ben, who all were picked in the top 11 picks in 2004, and it should have been one, two, and three,

if you look what's happened, that give me a break. There's not an obvious error apparent to these guys. It's still a complete question mark. Yeah, it might not be a first round pick. But next year's class, at this point, seems much, much deeper. Garapolo was a late second round pick. You know, a lot of these guys, you know, Andy Dalton was a second round pick. I think it could be a third round pick.

Maybe it's not even the top names that we're hearing about. I think it's just, you start making some investments. What you said wasn't exactly what we heard about the quarterbacks. It wasn't there weren't any good ones. It was that the best quarterbacks are not ready to play right now. So in that sense, I think it makes a lot of sense. For a guy who's got talent but won't be ready to play for a couple of years, it does make sense for these teams.

I have no problem swinging on a quarter. over and over and over, that position should be as deep as you can make it, but I just don't think any of these teams are saying the era parent is here. And maybe that's not the argument. I guess the counter to that is just because people are talking at this stage that there isn't a franchise quarterback in this group of names, it doesn't mean that that's true.

I mean, you never know. If one of these teams trusts their in-house guys and they Steelers have secretly fall in love with some of these guys, one of these guys or the Giants or the Chargers or whoever. You know. Ropolo is a perfect example. More power to them. I'm just saying if you're looking for someone this year to be the guy,

you're in just the same situation as all these teams in the top 5, 6, 7 that probably aren't going to take quarterbacks. I mean, these teams have to realize looking at quarterbacks that those guys don't really happen. And if they do, only the top, you know, two teams get to take them anyways. I mean, even great, very good rookie quarterbacks like James Winston and Marcus Mariotta, like they could have used, it wouldn't have hurt them, I don't think, necessarily, to sit out their rookie season. It's not like they're lighting the world on fire. And those are the best of the very best.

The whole position could use more patience. I mean, I think we are seeing some bad teams burn through quarterbacks that go on to play. I'm not seeing their starters, but they go on to have eight, nine more years in the league. And they're mildly productive because they burnt out as first and second round picks where there's too much pressure. and then coaches are getting fired. Like the whole position, you look at how quarterbacks were groomed 25, 30 years ago. It was completely different.

Greg, what do you want to see? What I want to see. Yeah, I like running backs. Running back's fun position to watch. Yeah, bro. Makes the team a little more interesting. And there's two teams out there picking towards the top of the draft. And I'm not breaking any news here that they might be looking at running back.

But what I would really like to see, number one, the Carolina Panthers. use their number one pick on a running back. Take off some heat off of Cam Newton and make that offense more fun to watch. Again, if Leonard Fournett fell there, that just seems like a perfect fit. We don't know if he's going to get that far because the other team that I'm thinking about is the Jacksonville Jaguars. I want to watch these Jaguars. I want them to be fun. And this running back class is great at the top.

Fournette could fit in Jacksonville. Maybe it's Dalvin Cook. Maybe it's McCaffery. I don't really know, like, how it's going to shake out. But seeing those two of those three names fall to those two teams, I think it's going to make those two teams more fun to watch and especially the Panthers. I'm with you, Wes.

You picked them as a potential NFC power sleeper last week, and I think they could get back there with just a couple of fun moves, and this would be one of them. I'd like to see them trade ahead of the Jaguars to take Leonard format. That would be great. I love the fit, that you got a quality running back in Jonathan Stewart who no longer has big playability. If you start mixing in Leonard Fortinette,

and now you've got a guy who's compared to a young Adrian Peterson, you're lighting defense is on fire. I have a hard time disagreeing with the fit. The Panthers absolutely need it, and don't get too smart. I'll throw in another team, and Greg, you're not going to like to hear this. But you have to understand that it's not personal. We're talking sports. It's not something to take too serious.

obviously okay I'm going to preface it okay okay okay it's making eyes at you it's time oh is that what that was it's time for the cults to do better than Frank Gore oh yeah and how dare you and you want to talk about taking heat off somebody I talked to Greg in the huddle about this about how has that Colts O line going and like if you're a Colts fan you're kind of talking yourself into it a little bit so okay then I won't I won't I won't pound the table for them to get a top tackle, which we might not have any in this draft anyway. So how about the Colts get aggressive? And they've tried before.

Mark, you might remember the Colts trying before to find their solution in the backfield calling up the Cleveland Browns. That didn't work out with Trent Richardson. But how about they get aggressive, get four net in there? Let Frank Gore, who had a nice 1,000-yard season, but they didn't even average 4 yards to carry. Let's be fair. He's 34 years old.

And, you know, let's make some magic and give Andrew Luck, some help back. there. Wes, you had something nice on your paper, too. I've got McCaffrey to the Colts. Oh, oh. I think... It's coming from a scientist, too, Greg. That's got to bother you.

Frank Gore has had a fine career, but he's a liability at this stage. You need a playmaker. The L word, yes. Well, what he did was help plug a hole that they needed with professionalism and solid production. He should not be their lead running back at this point. Of course, he's 34 years old. What they got out of him last year is a lot better than any of you jackals expected when you were pamphers.

I like Sessling getting grouped into this. It worked out for them. You know, it worked out fine for them, but I don't have any problem. Yes, he would probably be better off with less carries. I'd imagine the cults would fully agree. They can't have big plans for Frank Gore this season. And their backup right now is who? Robert Turbin.

You trust the cults with anything? I do trust the- Chris Ballard. Chris Ballard, I think, has a much better take on what to do with this team. He's got something. What does that mean? Give him a chance. I like what we've seen out of old Ballard.

so far. Oh, yeah? Does that include what you saw at the combine? He's got a cotton candy machine. I like his moves. I like his moves so far. I don't know what is happening. And who knows with these running backs?

Part of the reason I thought of the Jaguars was because I was watching some TJ Yeldin tape for a piece. Yeah. And he was supposed to be someone that was like, oh, that's the safe running back. Like, you know, plug and play. Maybe he's not great, but that's the safe running back. So you never know what these guys. I've got to get rid of him.

I'll throw it out there. And I want to, you know, you can talk about my team. And New York Jets, you know, they have not taken a player on offense in the first round since 2009. Mark Sanchez, number five overall. They traded up to get Mark. And it looked like it was going to work out for a couple of years. And then it did not. And ever since then, every single year, they have gone defense, defense, defense, which, you know, tells you a lot about their internal structuring.

that they now, after eight straight years of doing that, they don't have a great defense, and their offense is strip bear. So that's why, and I love to move the sticks, brought it up as a possibility on path to the draft recently. I'm not going to be ignored, Dan. Pipe down, Daniel. The idea of O.J. Howard, the Alabama tight end to the Jets,

with the sixth overall pick, and that is the area where Howard's going to go. He's going to go top 10, it sounds like. And if you watched him at all, and my watching of him extended not further than the college football playoffs, but I could tell you that this is exactly the type of game changer that the Jets desperately need right now, especially after they got rid of Brandon Marshall,

and I think Eric Ducker is going to go too, the way if you read the T leaves about where this team is going and where Decker probably wants to go in his age 31 season, the Jets need to start building around somebody. They're going to, in an ideal world, I think the Jets play things conservatively at the quarterback position this year. We've talked about that, scam for Sam and looking ahead to a better draft class. But while you're doing that, while you're waiting there patiently,

you could start to build the offense and getting O.J. Howard at tight end, an offensive player at a position the Jets have ignored. Like no other team, maybe in NFL history in the last couple of years, Chan Galey had no need for a tight end, historically low levels of production in recent years, get Howard in there. Start remaking this offense and you get a top-flight tight end in a way they go.

You are right about ignoring the position. Looking up and down the tight-end rosters of every single team, I can't find one with a worse lineup than the Jets. With three guys that I would say, outside of us, Austin Safarian Jenkins, who flamed out in Tampa Bay, three other guys who have no name recognition at all.

The average fan would never have heard of the other three tight ends they have. And for a year it worked, by the way. The Jets had, I think, six catches total at a tight end in 2015, and they were a top 10 offense in the whole league. But then when things didn't click the way they were hoping last year, it once again was, it seemed like they were playing in another generation with one hand tied behind their back.

I like that one. I believe that would be the highest the tight end has been drafted since the Browns drafted Kellyn Winslow over Big Ben 13 years ago. And before that, I don't think there was a- Byrne Davis. Where did he go? Six. I think.

Okay. But he was a year or two after Winslow. You're absolutely right. When was the last time a tight? Ebron went 10th, but the last two years is it? Like there hasn't been any tight ends that people are getting excited about. For a tight end to have this much hype, you know, he's got to be pretty excited. And the tight end is one position where we've done this with making the leap and other stuff

where year one often does not go well for tight ends. You're not going to get big production. But that may even work for the Jets to some degree. You don't have your quarterback yet. There's no rush. Exactly. You've gutted everything. He has a little time to grow.

You have a time to get your next quarterback in there. And then the production will grow with the quarterback. But if everything goes well, this is the Jets. So we have no knowledge of that. When they bring back Gino. He is the answer in New York after Eli, by the way. Mark, why don't you talk about your favorite team? Well, they're on the ropes with that title because there are reports now that.

Well, no, I am genuinely annoyed with what's coming out. We believe that. Barring it being some sort of strategy to confuse teams, which I just simply don't believe it is, Adam Schepter reporting yesterday that the Browns are, you know, he's being told there are no lock to take Miles Garrett at number one, that there's argument inside the building, an argument inside the Brown's front office or inside the complex in Cleveland has been an ongoing theme for two decades at this point, so it's tiresome to any that is latched onto that club on any level.

And listen, at the owner's meeting, Hugh Jackson came out strongly in favor of taking Miles Garrett. It's just one of these home run picks, and if you get it wrong, nobody can blame you for taking Miles Garrett. It is a head and tails above the rest type of athlete, and you don't mess around. You don't get too smart. And you have to wonder where the opposition's coming from. Is it the front office that's thinking too hard about taking a quarterback?

Well, I was just talking with Connor O'R downstairs, who was a Browns fan as well. You passed up on Carson Wentz Lashner, who was an ideal quarterback, I thought, for the AFC North. So your answer this year would be to come back around and skip on Miles Garrett and say what? You take Mitch Trubisky, who is a much lesser, I'd say, prospect than Carson Wentz. What are you doing at that point? You cannot outsmart yourself. You have got to take this player and never look back. And you know what?

I don't even think you have to go quarterback at number 12. You take Garrett and then you go get the best safety available, the best other defensive players, start to build a defense that Greg Williams can build around. How do you tell that Greg Williams, you pull to Cleveland, we are passing on Miles Garrett potentially for one of these quarterbacks. You know I don't believe in any of these quarterbacks personally

to go number one overall. Nobody does. DJ doesn't even have one in his latest mock going until number 25. Nobody in the first round, a lot of experts. It's just an unbelievable, you got all this ammunition, you can't keep all these draft picks. Then you move up from number one. number 12 to number five or number four.

If you want to get a quarterback then ahead of, in theory, the Jets. That's your one issue. Absurdity. I agree totally, Mark. And I had that written down as well. Don't blow this, Browns. I know they are feeling good about themselves right now after the Osweiler trade and some of the positive buzz that brought about how they're different thinking than everyone else.

But, geez, if this guy's as good as everyone says it, say is. And if you do that, if you get cute and you go analytics and you trade out, out of that pick and then Miles Garrett turns into like a J.J. Watt level disruptor. How could you be a Browns fan? Come in off the ledge, Browns fans. This is lying season, smoke screen season, posturing season. I don't know if I'm believing every rumor about what the Browns plan to do at number one when the obvious move is probably the one that's going to happen.

Well, I hope you're right and you're right that it's not time to overreact. That's how I'm built with this team. But it is the first hint that we've heard of of discord between true discord between the coach and the front office. And you have to ask where that came from. Adam Schepter is talking to someone and it's not people outside the team, I would imagine. That's not where his source is. That would be the biggest concern for me because Mike Silver tweeted about that, you know, he kind of tweeted around it. But he said he didn't buy the presumption that Hugh wants a quarterback.

And obviously Mike Silver, if you don't watch NFL network, is known to be very, tight with Hugh Jackson. So he's kind of putting it out there that it's not necessarily Hugh that wants the quarterback. And they have that number 12 pick. I mean, to me, the ideal situation is if you really do like Trubisky, you sit there. You might not have to trade up. You just sit there and take it as well.

Absolutely. And Wes is absolutely right. It is lying season. But Mark and Browns fans and frankly, anyone else that follows the game closely knows that the Browns know how to mess things up. They overthink this. So when you see a report like this, you think to yourself, yeah. Yeah, this could be a smokescreen,

but this is the Browns, and it makes you think. It made me think, are they trying to get, you know, San Francisco, who's at two? Have they, you know, there's been some talk about maybe they like Trubisky and they're trying to get them to just move up one pick. Who knows? This might be the most upset I've seen Mark about the Brown since they refused to sign Chris Carter's son.

Well, look, when you're at the bottom of the league, you're looking for anything. I'm trying to do anything to get the team of sports. Mark, especially when your best wide receiver can't stay on the field, can't stay in the NFL. I mean, Mark was on point with that. They ended up going 1 in 15 after passing up on Duran Carter. That was two seasons ago. Also, I will say the most anger I've seen Mark about the Browns was after they won their game.

Well, and you know what? It's a lesson that, hey, so you get the number one pick and you have a chance, like I said, maybe it's not a quarterback, but a generational talent at number one. And now, had they been at number two and someone else took Miles Garrett and you get that there's other good players, but you get the number two, you're wondering what Miles Gere will become. If you're at one and you pass on him, what is happening here? What is happening with this team? This isn't Eric Fisher and Luke Jockel trying to decide who's make number one.

Apparently, this dude is nasty. There's two more weeks. There's two more weeks. Just figure it out. Get your headspace together, people, and get this thing done. I don't care if there's debate in the building, but give me a break. Sashi. You threatened belligerent activities upon this organization.

In our meetings. What I threaten is total ambivalence. We can't even read the quote that Mark uttered in the production meeting. Well, that's something I would say to anything all the time. I said I would, the second comment, I said I would drop kick someone in the face. So if that happens, you better want to be sitting near me. And that pick goes on. Sashi.

Do not listen to Bill Barnwell. He is a respected writer. I love reading his stuff, but don't do it. I like all these guys. Get it together and make the right pick. I like Sosha. I like Hugh Jackson. Just get it done.

It's not good when Bill Barnwell, who were fans have had to release a Twitter statement saying, I do not work for the Brown. I mean, after some outrageous, silly speculation by a fellow ESPN employee. It's too much. It's too much for many of these fans to bear at this point if this doesn't go well. You're going to start, this is a very loyal fan base. There's two other good teams in that town.

attention is going to start to go elsewhere. All right. We good? All right. Hey, we said on the beginning, I believe, of Wednesday show, or Monday show, I should say, that there was some controversy during Wesselmania 3, and it revolved around Cornhole. And I didn't want to bring up the person by name because it was so hot.

was so controversial and frankly, you know, some people would call it deplorable what happened on the boards. But then this individual, Wes, approached you privately in the office today and what happened without naming names yet? He approached me and said that if we wanted to have him on the podcast to discuss the incident heard around the competitive sports world, the competitor of parlor games world, he would be happy to come in and speak about it with us. The corn toss heard around the world.

And now here he is. He's behind the glass. He put on the headset. He took Sid's headset. A headset he's familiar with because he is the producer of the Fantasy Live podcast here at NFL.com. He is Alex Gelhar. Alex, welcome to the Around the NFL podcast. Thank you for having me here.

It is good to be here. But I believe you changed the name of the play in question from Saturday. what was what was it on was it not the shot not heard around the world all right so let me give a little background on the throw so it was corn it was west and i uh facing off against uh Alex Galhar and John Gonzalez who is who is Greg I don't who is that guy I don't know that guy Mark the husband of Connie Fox yeah and a talented writer in his own right absolutely and all that Anyway, so Wes and I had jumped out to an 186 lead, game to 21, but in Cornhole, if you know the game, it's not over till it's over. And Alex was making his final throw of the round.

I believe there were three Chris Wessling bags circling the hole, and there was a Alex Gelhar bag that was kind of on the lip of the hole. And this is Wes. It's half in. Half in. Wes, I'll throw it to you in terms of strategy. here. What was the right play for Alex facing a 12 point deficit? To mention I had two in the hole already too. Right. This is what really got me hot and bothered. First of all, one of my primary cornhole philosophies is you never worry about the other guys back. You're good enough that

you can hit your own bag in. And Alex's bag was right on the lip, right in the right hander's alley. So if he hits it in the right angle, he can get four in the hole, which we call a Jumanji. Right. Which puts you in that day's Hall of Fame for Cornell. You don't see a Jumanji every day in Cornell. All four bags in the hole. Not only do you. You don't see a that day Hall of Fame too often.

Not only do you would shed me on that throw. You get a Jumangi and put you and your teammate right back in the game. To me, it was the only throw you could possibly make. And just to set it up one more time, 186. Let's assume I don't remember, but let's assume Wes had one in the hole and three on the board. If Gellhard Jumaghi is there, four times three, is 12 points, four, eight point differential. Well, he would have been a six point differential

because he had three on the board and one in. Right. So if I hit it perfectly, we gained six. Now you're 18 to 12. Now you're 18, 12. Right. So what happens? Galhar.

Galhar tosses the bag. Like 10 feet away from the board. And then shakes his head. He goes, nah, it was not going to risk it. Now, I have to say in the moment. The world exploded at that moment. I defended the move because Gonzo and I, we played you guys in a tough game one. Yes.

And we were in this one. Gonzo was starting to get his throw. I had just hit it. I didn't want to risk it because while Wes said, had I hit it perfectly, could a Jumanji would have been great. But you guys were also sitting at 18. If I hit it improperly, we lost. However, this is all, none of these details matter. None of these details matter.

What kind of life do you want to live? Do you want to live a life where you just throw the bag off to the side? Oh, I'll see you later. I'll just lose by a little less. What kind of life is that? It's not a good one. Let me tell you, in the days since Wesselmania. Right.

What's going on since then? Well, no, as I've thought about it, Dan aptly described it as Mike McCarthy in Seattle, so I've had to relive that horrific game as a Green Bay fan every day. It's also akin to Andy Reid taking a fourth quarter timeout with roughly five or six minutes left in the game that he may or may not lead later. Yet another comparison, Donovan McNabb throwing up on the field with the Super Bowl.

So what it was is, I was realizing, you know, and it goes against all of my philosophies. I was on the road against an elite opponent, one who was better than me. I should have taken the chance. I should have gone for the win. But, you know, when you're in the moment, when you're coaching on the field, it's a little different than when you're watching the game from the comforts of the NFL newsroom. So my heart goes out to those coaches in those times, but I should have made the throw.

Are you a little concerned? And it sounds like this has appropriately, you know, caused some self-reflection. Are you at all concerned? that this was a La Raville Magnificum. No, no, no, I don't think it was. I think I overest it. So not a lot of self-reflection. No, there was.

There was a lot. But as I said, it was a momentary last. You can go ahead and hit the La Reveal Magnifico. I'll hit it. Well, this board is a mess. There it is. This is a much more intense board than what we have. Well, I would just like, let the record show that this was never Monday morning quarterback.

We were, there was outrage on the spot. I believe I threw my hat down and started jumping on it. Oh, yeah. It was, uh, it was wide spread. It was widespread. It makes you feel better. I don't even remember when this happened and I had a delightful time. I mean, true to form with all those coaches that we've compared it to as well,

Gonson and I did mount somewhat of a comeback, but we ultimately lost, you know. You did. And that almost makes it a little more painful in a way because had you maybe been aggressive and then got hot, you could have stole the game, but it's, said when you got hot you were still down three or four points exactly then we closed that but i'll tell you what you were and that made it more fun frankly uh you were adamant that you had had been strategizing properly when you decided to throw the wet too risky too risky in in my defense too i uh wasn't risky that while no no while it was a much more measured wesslemania as you said

uh matt harmon and i had come from la beer fest beforehand downtown so also you were i believe You were outthrowing me for most of the day. I had been, at least in the first game. I think you overtook me in the second game. So my point is, is that you have now come around and you understand the foibles. And I believe that you are a very good player, Alex. I would put you. I would put you a little bit behind myself.

I would put myself behind you as well. But that is not a shot. I think you're well ahead of anyone else. I think you are firmly in the top three now. and what we need is a good a true fourth to make a shot to Gonsu. I have to say, I wanted to take this chance to apologize to Gonso.

Hopefully, here's this part of the podcast when Colleen's getting ready in the morning. He was shook like Cam Newton last year. He was. Gonzo had some good tosses in that day. He did. We at least kept those games competitive with you guys. That's fair.

I apologies to Gons. He was pretty much like the Packers' defense watching going, what is this guy doing? Gonzo wakes up every morning. He told me this at about 11.30 a.m. And then a few hours later takes a nap. He is doing fine. He could care less about any of these parlor game intrigues.

He's got dogs, not kids. It's a nice life that Gonzo's carved out for himself in Southern California. All right, Alex, that was good. I was good to talk it out. I felt the listeners knowing how much they care about Wesselmania. I mean, we had somebody show up one year to Wesselmania. I felt they should know the truth and being the one on the. opposite side of that i thought i should come in and explain myself and how i've been uh you know

i've been like mike mccarthy sipping coffee at uh lambo field every day after wondering if i wondering if i screwed it up a stand-up guy Alex gelhar absolutely uh and we look forward to the next time we can get on the boards and see what's the next chapter and a budding rivalry potentially i'm excited i like this all right that's it that's it for today's show we'll be back on Thursday with a video show. Make sure you check it out streaming 9 p.m. Eastern, 6 p.m. Pacific. We will also have another guest coming in on Thursday. We're going to have a lot of fun.

So check out the video show and the audio show will land as well. And that's it. We've got to go. We've got to do a network hit. So it's time to say bye. Streaming at 9 p.m. Eastern. I already said that. So much responsibility on the listener.

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