NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Draft Prep with Daniel Jeremiah and ATN Mailbag

Episode Date: April 18, 2024

In a room full of heroes - Gregg Rosenthal and Marc Sessler are joined by Daniel Jeremiah for some final insight into the 2024 NFL Draft. The guys get right to it with DJ (01:00) before opening the ATN Mailbag to answer draft related questions submitted by the listeners (31:49). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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for one day in the host chair for Dan Hansus in a room filled with one hero Mark Sessler, that room being the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio but Mark Yeah, it's you know, it's always tough not to have Dan with us

but it's like I think the toughest part is again I get put in this seat where I'm like my body feels awkward I don't know what to do but I'm in it. Your body looks good. Your body looks good all of our bodies considering we're getting older is looking good I can say the same about our guests and it's rare we just go right into it

but this is an important man at our company he's so important actually he insisted that Dan and him not do the show together and we thought we thought like that's like a lot to ask that's kind of diva behavior

but he's that important at draft time that we're going to welcome in Daniel Jeremiah move the sticks thank you Daniel for joining us well first of all this is Girofolo Colin I'll call him back later two things number one I had two conditions for me to come on this show one Dan's not there that's a given right he's there I'm out that's done yeah the other condition was I said here's the thing I'll do it first of all I love Sessler so I'm happy to do it for Sessor

if I'm gonna if I'm gonna work with Greg though I need him to dress up like Fonzie if he dresses like Fonzie it's funny then I'll come on I'll just like kind of took off my jacket. It was a little hot in here. And I thought, what are the odds that Jeremiah doesn't mention this almost right away? So you've made me self-conscious. And this is why we're getting such big numbers on YouTube is action like this. You can actually watch me now. Does anybody watch on YouTube even know who Fonzie is? Not at this point. Not at this point. And I feel like I've escaped your ire for a decade plus. And I appreciate that. It feels sincere. but you have incredible power to remove Dan from the seat

and also alter Greg's wardrobe. These things are not easily done. Yeah, I just lost money on the fact that that's not a leather jacket that he braped over his white shirt. So I lost that bet. It's DJ's time of year. I'm sure you're thrilled because we're taping this Thursday exactly one week away from the NFL draft.

And it's a long process here for Jeremiah. I mean, no one's crying for you here. But you switch straight from the chargers into cranking these players out and now you're you're only one week away what do you what is your like post draft plan you have to work for one more week and then what happened i've shortened it down i used to um the draft would end and then literally would uh work the next day and work that entire week we would do path to the draft very ironically named after the draft for a week uh for a week afterwards and then over the years that got short until okay just you can just work till 30

Thursday, we'll give you that Friday off, and then you're free to the point now where I only have to do that first day. So I think I do the Monday show. And then that's it. So I get a little bit of a break, but it's kind of weird. And you guys know with kids, like, I still have two in the house. And then they, you know, they're still in school. So everybody's like, oh, do you go on vacation? What do you do after? I'm like, nothing. I'm just sitting at home, like, looking at baseball box scores and trying to figure out if I'm going to run on the treadmill or ride the bike. Like, that's the, that's what's going on. I think what you should tell us,

at least cook up some sort of misadventure that makes us think, you know, Daniel Jeremiah's at the forefront of personal experience post work. He's listening to 80s R&B. He's watching the Padres. Nothing could make him happier. I'm going to start my questions here, DJ, by putting you in the minds of all 32 GM.

So this is a world where you're actually running every team, but you can't make trades because you'd be trading with yourself. It's a scary world to think about. but if you were the GM of every team, who is the first team you would take Brock Bowers for? Because the closer we get to this draft, the more I'm just fascinated by him as a player

and his discussion and value and all that, like which is the first team? If it was your team, and we know, look, some of these teams, you know, they sprinkle around interest maybe someday when the kids are older. DJ Willie will be working for a team. Which team are you taking Bowers with?

this is going to this is saying this as somebody who has him rated very highly like maybe seven or eight I think on my list somewhere around there the first team where I would personally take him with my team would be 15 with the Indianapolis Colts

so and that's for you know different reasons there's not needs for some of these teams at that position then there's teams that have you know you know golly you've got if you're if you're picking right before them the norleans saints have to take a tackle like they've painted themselves into a corner here they can't do this penning they can't do penning anymore they can't try that i mean they're not even trying to do it now

they did rather play like their fourth string tackle than him and then ram check's going to be done so like they have no they have to they have to take a tackle so and then you look at you know i see the i see the broncos twice a year you know uh they they have functional tight ends. They have other needs that they can address. I thought you'd throw the Jets in there as a possibility. So I, to me with the Jets, I go

a couple of different ways. To me, Roma Dunezay is a home run pick. I never thought in a million years in that draft that Garrett Wilson would get to him with their second pick. I thought it was going to be a decision and I had them touching each other on my list, which was Sauce Gardner or Garrett Wilson. Can't go wrong. You're going to get one. No way

you get both. And then somehow it happened with Garrett Wilson, fall in it lap. So I won't rule it out that somehow after everything went against them last year in terms of good fortune, that maybe they get that good fortune that they had that draft. And somehow Roma Dunez is there. I would take Rome over Bowers. And then it comes down to, well, if it's Bowers versus the tackles, I've been saying I have, and I would have a higher grade on Bowers than the second rated tackle. But, you know, in having some conversations over the last 24 hours, one of the things that was brought to my mind was, if you don't look at them as a tackle,

like if you look at Fawaga or Fattano as guys who can play different spots for a team that has been so, you know, so hit with injuries, to have them, I think either one of those guys, in my opinion, at least, they beat out John Simpson right away and they start at guard. And then if Tyron Smith, some might say when he gets hurt. you have one of these guys that can now he can kick out and play tackle. So when I stop looking at him strictly as just a tackle but saying, okay, I can still

get them on the field right now while also gives me a little bit of insurance for these two 33-year-old tackles, that's why I bypass Bowers there as the Jets. Interesting. You know, I found it enjoyable and intriguing to watch you and Mel Kuiper

in, you know, headshots next to each other talking about these picks. I mean, I grew up Mel Kuyper, we all did. Like, so it was kind of fascinating. He's the guy. Yeah. And it's just like, I mean, at this point, I think people turn him into almost a

caricature. And it's like, he's still grinding and doing all this. So when I want, I, I look at one player, because you guys brought up Michael Pennix Jr. And I, I believe you had him at about 13, going around 13. And Kuiper has him all the way down at 37. We had Chad Ryder in here yesterday who had him, the Raiders trading up for him, but in the second round taking Carolina's picks. So it's like, this is a quarterback.

I know those are the top four, but this guy seems to be all over the map. Why is there, I don't know, beyond the injury history, what is the disparity between U Kuiper and person X and Y and Z? So here's the, here's the fascinating part about that. And first of all, I'm glad you brought that up about Mel because I think, you know, he's got the voice, he's got the hair, he's got the iconic moment, you know, the flashback, the mailman, the whole, the whole thing, right? I think people need to put a little bit more respect on the work that he does. Like, he puts in a ton of work and you can't fake it. It's one thing that I've learned, you know, obviously from the scouting

side, but then coming over to this side you can't fake it. Listen, listen to people when they're talking about players. And when you hear people reference when I watched him against Notre Dame, when I saw they're referencing moments of the work that they've done

versus some pluralities and generalities that can get tossed around that I can pick up the stats and look at him and I can give you that. The guy works hard. He really does. We do fake it, Daniel. And it's fine. It's fine.

The show is doing well. 99% of the people won't know. Yeah. It's the whole thing. Like, oh, what is the huge difference between Fashanu, Fuauga, and Fautanu? Like, we'll get back to you on that next time. Yeah. But I did want to make that point about Mel, because I love him.

And he is literally like, he is a sweetheart of a man. Like he is such a nice guy who treats people really, really well. So anyways, outside of that, the penics. So, Mark, I have penics. is I think my 34th rated player but I had him going 13th and I think that confuses people and so I try to explain it

the best of the way that I can there's taking players where you have them rated but then there's also like let's have some common sense here and this if we're going to all agree as I'm sure we do the quarterback is the most important position on your team

and it's going to be the biggest indicator whether or not you're going to be successful or not if you're the raiders I couldn't get by this point of saying yes he's my 34th player, some of that's injuries, you know, factoring into that. But I have Gardner Menchew and I have Aden O'Connell. Sure. Is he better than what I have at the most important position? Yes, he is infinitely more talented. Like that's not debatable. It's not even close.

So if I, man, I can say, well, I have this player rated that higher, that player rated higher, well, me upgrading a tackle or me upgrading, you know, a corner, is that the same as me? I can upgrade the quarterback position here. Like, don't you have to consider that? And that's why I have the 34th player on my board going

with the 13th pick. Makes sense. It does make sense. And you could see, look, I don't think it's crazy to imagine him slipping to the second or late first. No, no, I wouldn't surprise me. And then they get in the mix for him there. Or they just stick with their two picks and they get them in the second. We've just seen that very

often and if he's the fifth quarterback, let's say, or the sixth, those guys do fall farther than people think. I want to get more to the top quarterback because I want to ask you, I have my takes. I have a theory on this, but I want to hear yours first because I know how you like to steal my takes. What is happening here, DJ? I'm so, I'm so sorry. No, I know. Mark, look, your place is secure on my board, okay? You don't need to even chime in on that. Jaden Daniels or Drake may just which evaluation is harder um that's a good point they're they're they're they're equal because you're trying to evaluate one guy for what he doesn't have and evaluate the other guy for an excess of riches um in terms of of what they're playing with and i am so the the thing

that's that i look at is i've seen i've seen drake may you know with a lesser cast last year than what Jaden Daniels had this year played a really high level with just a with a solid B-level supporting cast. I've seen him play at a really high level. Now, his supporting cast this year was terrible and his play, you know, took a dip. And it wasn't all their fault. He got some mechanical things out of whack. His delivery got a little bit long. He wasn't quite as firm with his feet. Like, there was things that he, he let go a little bit. With Jaden Daniels, I have, you know, all these other years of him playing at kind of just a ho-hum, mediocre level, and then this year skyrockets with, you know, an unbelievable supporting cast. But I also look at it and say, I saw, even though

he had more playing experience than Burrow, I saw Burrow take off like a rocket ship when it just all clicked. When they put an offense in place that matched his abilities, he exploded and took off. So I'm not dismissing what Jaden did by any stretch, but I am more forgiving of Drake. And I think you always look in the past to try and help predict the future and at least from a theory standpoint. And when I look at, you know, Josh Allen from his second to last year

to his final year and the regression that took place as the erosion of the supporting cast, it was awful. I looked at Jordan Love, the exact same situation year before. Utah State, I watched him. And I was like, here, this guy's going to be great.

Can't wait to watch him the next year. The next year, they were terrible and he was terrible. So I've seen those guys. In other words, Drake may do it. I know he can do it. Right. He's a bigger guy. He's more physical. I've seen him throw with anticipation. I've seen him work in the mud in the middle of the field. I've seen him create things when pressure comes. So I don't get beholden to what's the last thing I saw in the last year. It's more of a body of work. And that's why I ended up with Drake May over

Jane Daniel. Sorry, it's a word salad there, but it is kind of tricky. I think it's the most fascinating thing in the draft, especially for basics like us on some level that like I, my theory is may is easier because you've seen them be in a tough spot and you've seen them do such high level

stuff. When I went and I went back and yeah the quarterbacks are the most exciting thing for for me to watch certainly and it's like do you see it all

and even this year when you watch his stuff this year it's like did he take that biggest step back? I hear you that he's like misses he misses throws more than he misses

some layups right more than more than you would want but he also has a consistency where every single game even this year. He's doing stuff that wowes you. You can see him as a red zone

beast. I love the guys that you mentioned Allen and love because that's the same sort of type of prospect. He reminds me of just that he's just physically just who wouldn't want to work with that. And you love him both. You have five and six. But to me, Daniels is extremely hard to evaluate because

people get on McCarthy that he never, you know, he didn't have to do much, didn't have to throw them. It's like, Jane Daniels threw the ball 325 times this year. He wasn't that highly thought of of a prospect till his last like half season of five seasons and he's surrounded by great players. I think it was you or was Mina. It was you and Mina that mentioned the RG3 comp and that's really stuck in my head since. And not as like a negative because RG3

was extremely accurate. You saw how well he fit with Shanahan and look, he outplayed Andrew Luck as a rookie. It wasn't like he was a bad prospect. But he reminded, Jane Daniels reminds me of him, which I find it kind of hard that he gets pressure on him and then he just he just goes which is not necessarily what you want right at the NFL that like he doesn't stick stick there and throw a lot under pressure yeah that's it's kind of one or the other you know and to me even as a runner he reminded me of RG3 and that he's kind of a narrow frame guy who's extremely fast but is not super elusive and who takes shots right i think was was a Helodi that broke his leg?

I think it was Helodi who hit him at RG3 and breaking his leg. It may take shots too, to be fair, but he's bigger. But he's just sturdier, dude. So, you know, that's what I struggle with a little bit. But he is a really good thrower. Like I was texting with Ben Kurt about it. I love the fact we have so many people that are like watching these guys and putting their opinions out there.

I think it's great. I think it's fun discussion. But, you know, I try to communicate with as many people. as I can and we were having a little chat about it and I said you know mechanically he looks like a he looks like a really skinny CJ Stroud just in terms of posture feet in the ground throwing the ball accurately you know touch drive you can do all those things but Stroud and we saw it in in samples in college and then saw it in bulk with the Texans has he is this more he's just

more creative and more natural in terms of when things when he's getting moved around and making things happen. And I just didn't see Jaden quite like that. I mean, this draft has, every draft has their own characteristics. And it's like very quarterback heavy and the wide receiver class, it may be possibly unprecedented. But then on the flip side, I was driving down from my place today listening to you and Bucky do your all defensive mock draft where you've got to pick 32 defensive players

and ignore all those guys. Oh, it was almost comical because you got to about pick nine. and it's like you were doing it live and you were... I listened to that weeks ago, DJ, because I'm more of just like a real, you know... This is why we need Greg in the host chair, not fan, because we get that kind of self-effacing gold. When he's out there working on the motorbike,

he likes to throw on them to... I'm just saying I didn't frame at the last... You know, I was... Well, I like to... I like to get fresh, but I just, I do find it interesting is I can't remember a draft like this. We're like, you basically said it's going to be an S show when you get down to the mid-20s.

And you guys were really struggling and even tried to find fits for what the team needs were. And it's like, have you seen a defensive draft like this where the first round talent maybe withers away as quick as it does? No. And that's why I was curious on that exercise how it would go. Because offensively, I mean, we finished the first round with 32 offensive players. And I'm like, dude, I got six more receivers. I could have, I can justify taking, you know, here if we were to extend this out into the second round. And then defensively, It's like, holy crud, like, what are we doing here?

Like, this is not a first round player. So that's, it was a healthy exercise, which to me can inform some decisions and could push up some of these defensive players. Like I've been saying over the last couple days, like Byron Murphy to me from Texas, the defensive tackle, who is the best interior disruptor and pass rusher in this draft, I think it's going to go higher than people think. I think there's a premium on that. I was talking to a general manager two days ago.

And we were having this discussion and he posed an interesting question, which was write down, if you write down on a sheet of paper, you know, how many dominant edge rushers are there in the NFL? You go pretty deep on that of really impactful dominant edge rushes. And now write the impactful dominant defensive tackles and you'll come up with seven or eight and then that's about it. So if you've got a chance to get one who you think can be one of those guys, A, there's value. Look at what these guys are making. Look what Christian Wilkins. Look at all these guys that got paid in the officer. and the value of that position

for those types of guys and it was his argument was like why would Byron Murphy not go ahead of these edge rushers like they're similar type players and he's a heck of a lot harder to find I guess like from an esoteric angle like is this just a one year type thing like why is there such a dearth of defensive talent

it feels like that there'd be a similar amount each year nah it's just ebbs and flows I mean like last year's tight end class was the best that I'd seen 20 years I mean I'd never seen anything like that this year it's not very good um so it's just you know it's how you hit it it's just how it falls the one thing that we're going to see consistently is they'll be you know they'll be receivers every year no matter what they'll always be receivers all right what if i took you um your byron

murphy take uh but i but i replaced it with johnny newton johnny newton's my guy i mean okay i i don't know i'm not i guess explained to me why he's not like a potential top 10 pick because he he is a guy that I that you watch and it's like he wins every snap it seems like the more the more you watch it's just like he wins and wins and wins and wins and wins and you can just see that working like he seemed next level and he seemed like a guy that I was like is this one of those guys teams aren't talking about because they all want to take them because they love him probably I don't know if that really happens why why wouldn't he be higher because he seems like a really exciting guy along with Murphy's great too yeah he's a really good player to me like

if you told me that he was going to be a top 15 pick, I wouldn't, I wouldn't bat an eye on at that at all. And he's part of that discussion and rightfully so to bring him up that I think you'll see him get raised up. Now in terms of like what I thought of him, like the concerns I had, I thought he was unbelievable with his hands. Like he has like, it's like a car bomb goes off when he hits guys. He has got violent jolting hands. That's that translate? That's awesome. It's really good. but if you're not a force generator from the ground, that's a little more difficult against NFL players. So in other words, if you're generating,

if you're twisting guys and torquing guys and turning guys in college, you can do that a lot easier than it is to do that against a 28-year-old man up here. If you're going to beat really good NFL offensive linemen, you have to beat them with leverage and roll your hips and have your legs underneath you and win from kind of the floor up, not just the hands. So that to me is, you know, one of the reasons why there was a separation there with him and Murphy. I know it comes as no surprise to you that Greg and I, we've kind of cornered the market when it comes to studying offensive linemen, what they should be doing on the field, how they react, the physical nature of it.

But I found it interesting who said that executives kept mentioning to you over and over Graham Barton for his versatility. He plays all five, like this guy sounds like he could go anywhere and be of immediate service. well he's played he's played center as a 17 year old freshman at duke and played it well and then he's played left tackle if you can play center and left tackle you can play left and right guard so you're a five position flex guy and he's incredibly intelligent um so it's he's one of those guys who he's good on tape at tackle but you're like he's not that's not probably his best position he's going to be better served to get inside at center but the tape is good so you get good tape then the testing with was outstanding he had a great workout and then as you can imagine when you have those two things

going for you and your duke level smart you get in and meet with these teams so many of which which i think is a big theme in this draft and i think you know something to keep an eye on going forward is this league is so full of young starting quarterbacks and we're going to add a handful more this year so teams are trying to do everything they can to serve those young quarterbacks. Having a freaking genius center that he can play with for a long extended period of time is a nice quality to have. That almost sounds like Landon Dickerson coming out. Other than I know people were concerned with the injuries, but just like that was one you were, you were very high on that give you your props coming in. And that was absolutely right. He's turned into a

bargain. They just gave him a ton of money. That actually makes me think, do you have some what are some picks or maybe just one like one one uh selection over the years take one of your guys

that you're like that you're like that you're proud of that you want to stick your chest out and then to balance it out one that you wish you had better a whiff a major whiffs 50 whiffs the hits never because you just don't remember them better you mean

yeah yeah because you're just like oh gosh uh but I mean the hits never make their way to the front of your brain. Those were always like lodged somewhere in the back of your brain. I always just did a fallback with Kelsey because that was a fun one. But I mean, that's like the greatest example of scouting to me of what scouting is. You're going to come out, okay, you really want to come out to the front of the stage as one of the people who evaluated Jason Kelsey and we took him at what was he the sixth round and he's going to go into the Hall of Fame and, you know, one of the best centers of all time. You want to beat your chest on that?

Or do you want to remind everybody that we took Danny Watkins in the first round of that same draft? Well, that's like, I think Scott Pioli used to keep keeping on his office. There were some guys from tight-in Stikowski, I believe. They took a round in front of Tom Brady,

so he always kept that framed on his desk as a reminder of like, you're not as smart as you think. No, but like, you know, the fun ones, like Gino Stone, I could not, when I was watching him coming out and I went back and I, was watching some of the old draft stuff.

And that was my kind when he got picked. I'm like, I don't understand it. Like I gave him like a, it was like a third round grade. And I would talk, all I do is talk to GMs and buddies around the league. And I'm like,

nobody liked the guy. And I'm like, what am I missing? Like he's just a good player. He gets his hands on the football. He's super instinctive, smart, tough.

And then the Ravens, I think took him in like the sixth or seventh round. And I think he just got paid a nice chunk of money in free agency. He's been a really, really good player. So those are the those are kind of the fun ones But then for every one of those There's 10 where you're like

Oh man like I mean look like I didn't Trailing Berks I thought was a really good player I didn't necessarily think he was going to be an all pro But I thought he'd be doing more than he's doing now Well let's you go in a minute here There's so much wide receiver talk But there's one guy and I know that he had like concerns with Whether it's off the field or what happened on the field after a game

But Jermaine Burton from Alabama watching him I know because of all that other stuff maybe some teams don't even have him on their board but I loved what I saw like is this person like draftable or is it going to be what happens?

What's the destiny here? There's a lot of ability there. Yeah, no I mean look everybody's it's all different right everybody has their things. I don't ever jump into that stuff there's no win for me in doing that

so I just say he's got a lot of ability but that's why there's little bit of a challenge in terms of the stuff you learn, you know, talking to everybody and doing all the homework versus the pure, like in some ways, Mark, like, what you're doing is just the pure scouting, you know, like this would be an example of that. That's Mark in a nutshell, pure scout. Because we did it, remember you asked me about George Pickens. The George Pickens year. Greg did. Yeah. Greg's like, what am I missing? This guy's a freak. Yeah. I'm like, I know it's not that. The tape is great. Yeah. But everybody's got to figure out

all the other stuff. And it's sort of, uh, well, Pickens is, he's kind of borne out on both sides of like, yeah, the talent is off the charts, but there's, there's some headache there. What's, uh, so I mean, that, that's what I'm getting to, Mark. And that's why, like, when you're in the draft room, this is the discussion that takes place where the area scout who went into the school, got all the information, he might have a lower grade on a player. And then they'll give cross check assignments and the guy in a, in the southeast or, you know, other part of the country is going to watch the same player and he's like for this area scout's an idiot like this guy's much better than that and it's like yeah we're just doing the pure football evaluation and he's doing the whole the whole

picture you know so then you have to have that discussion you make sense who's uh and yeah i know i know you got me in a kimes later on move the sticks everyone should check that out uh you've probably got a million things we did a home and home we did a little uh one on her podcast just coming on move the sticks that's a nice trade everyone wins it's the ESPN crossover does she also have the same role that she doesn't come on unless Dan's not on your show. No, no. She has engaged with Dan on the show. Many times, many times. Really? Yeah. So he

wasn't supposed to be there and showed up anyway. She doesn't have a 10-year grudge match, whether it's real or fake, with, with Dan. I think it really is. It might really be 10 years. I think it is. Do you remember what the first iteration of that? No, it goes back to like ancient Greece. It's like, it's deep

ancestry. Do you? Yeah, it's the wholesome assassin. I think I made fun of him for dressing like a Uber driver or a limo driver or something on the very first episode. That's the wholesome assassin. And now I'm now I'm Fonzie.

All right. Last football one for you is we just haven't talked running backs. Like, who do you like? Who is your favorite running back in this class he thinks going to step in and do some fantasy damage maybe? Yeah, I like Marshawn Lloyd from SC.

He's like got the perfect running back bodies, 5A's, 220 pounds. He'd catch the ball out of the backfield. He's not bad as a pass protector. So to me, I'm a fan of his. I like Ray Davis from Kentucky. Another one who's like 215, sturdy guy. And then just in terms of like two guys,

I think they're going to have a roll and catch balls next year. Bucky Irving can really catch it out of the backfield from Oregon who like kind of gives me a little Devin Singletary vibes coming out of college. So that would be one. And then Dylan Lauby, he might not even get drafted.

He'd be a six, seventh round pick, maybe even a free agent. But the kid out of New Hampshire, he caught a bazillion ball. So, like, to me, I don't think it's a great running back year, but you got a couple interesting guys who can kind of be more featurebacks, and then after that, those are a couple guys, they'll be kind of third down guys, catch the ball a little bit.

That's why, like, DJ, even though sort of, on some level, and you know this, your prospects list set the tone in some ways for the rest of the Draft Nick industrial complex out there. Like, your prospect list has real impact, but you ask them about the running backs like that. That's way off a lot of those consensus boards, and I like that. DJ's thinking. Yeah, you know, I talked to someone last night, and we just knew we got to running backs,

and it's like his top three running backs would be like my 11th, 12th, and 13th roundbacks. Like, it's just a weird year for that group. All right, Daniel, Jeremiah. It's your week. It's your time of year. I'm looking forward to watching you, round one. You know, be nice to the rest of the guys. like don't flex how much more you know than all of them.

No, I'll tell you what, Mark, it's been great to be with you. As always, as always, you're absolutely the best. I don't know anybody who has endured more. We talk about players, like, can you overcome adversity? And then like, whatever's next for you in life, what you've endured, what you've been through. Yeah. I think it just bodes well for your success. There's a grittiness.

There's a callousness. There's a, just haven't been literally refined through the fire aspect to you. and what your future holds. And I couldn't be more excited. Greg, we'll see you next time. Yeah, this is why your scouting abilities tower above any other humans that I can think of. Yeah, a lot of misses, though, too.

DJ, thank you. We'll see you next time. Yeah, thanks for not hit me with Herbert. No, no, I've kind of put a little... I'm waiting until we actually have just... I want to have Justin Herbert on the pod and ask him about that. At some point, that's my dream question.

All right. Well, let me know. Thanks, DJ. Thank you. You guys. Bye. And, yeah, as Daniel mentioned, back in the day, I think he was a little lower on Herbert.

A ton of people were, though. Other people worked, too. I'd like to give him the business of it. Because he's not calling every game. Guy changed the franchise. We were going to take a quick break. A little different schedule than normal that we just, like, start right off the meet

with the A-plus guest, Daniel Jeremiah. We will be back and we're going to actually bring in the audience, Listeners, and we're going to get some mailbag questions. The first take, quick break. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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we got the Mark Sessler mock draft coming up it's got to be like the sixth or seventh annual I think it is the sixth or seventh and I know the gist in the past was I just throwing a couple darts to the wall it's like I've been grinding the tape this time Greg

no Mark's been he's been doing it and we're working on some extra motivation some extra bells and whistles we're adding to the mock draft. So that'll be exciting.

And then on Thursday, of course, we'll recap round one. We'll have another preview show as well. We'll do some sandwiches. But for now, we thought we would open up the mailbag and get your draft questions to just try to hit as many as we can before we go, Mark. So if you're watching on YouTube, we'll fly the questions up. But the first one is from Daniel Hall. And he asks, had the Panthers given?

the Bears, the third overall pick instead of the first overall pick, do you think Justin Fields would be their starter for 2024? I find this interesting because it is a good reminder that the Bears, great moves last year. They did get lucky how bad the Panthers truly were.

And you need luck to build a dynasty along the way. It's like, you know, the Chiefs needed Patrick Mahomes to fall that far to make the smart move to go get them and they're lucky. I don't think Fields would be their starter no matter what, if they had the top

three pick. You chose the right number, number three. If they were further back, then I think it becomes more of a discussion. I tend to think they did not really see Justin Fields as a true difference maker and that Drake made, Jade and Daniels

would also, you know, provide a window into a new future. I wrote down the same thing. I think it's, um, they made their evaluation on Justin Fields and top three, I think they would have found something to like in each one of those guys to move on from fields. It seems clear to me.

Every team's so different, it really sounds like based on everything we're hearing, more teams have Daniels too than May, and that there are some teams out there, and who knows if the Bears would have been one of these teams,

that agree with the Chris Sims and the JTO Sullivan's of the world, and like, some people just aren't in on May. They're just like, no. Right. And I'm surprised by that, because to me he's as exciting and maybe as good

as any prospect I can remember watching since, like, Andrew Luck, along with Caleb Williams, is even better. So it's crazy. There's two of these guys. But in just in terms of pure excitement level and talent, he seems to be at that level, but some teams aren't into it. There are three really good quarterbacks in this class, though. So, yeah, I think they would not be keeping fields. Next question is from Patty, 710 on Twitter.

Could you pass on to Mark Sessler that I was watching Winnie the Pooh with my daughters? And Rabbit uses the phrase, heavens to Betsy. so he is in good company. More of a comment than a question, but I liked it. Yeah, I think I've mentioned before multiple times that it was my grandmother that used to say this in various situations when flustered or something was seems surprising.

Yeah, so maybe she caught it from Winnie the Pooh's friend Rabbit. I'm not sure. It's always just a trip back in time on the around NFL podcast whenever that comes up. Next one is from Tom Marshall, a longtime listener, recognized Tom. A serious question. Could Justin Jefferson be traded at the draft?

He also says, unserious question, is Mahomes really nowhere near Goatstead? Let's start Unserious first. We didn't say that. He's nowhere. Who would have said that? Yeah, I think he's responding to our conversation on Wednesday that it was like... His start, his pro start, what he said. We were saying, like, it's just hard to compare someone who's had an entire career.

Like, if Mahomes' career ended this moment. Yeah, his peak was brilliant, but how do you compare that to guys like Montana or Brady, or especially Manning that played so long? I don't know. It's hard. Guys who won three or four. It's like a goat farm. There's a couple.

Right. So it's not that he's nowhere near. It's just like he's got to keep playing. And he'll get there. There's almost no question. The Jefferson question, I was glad someone asked this. I do think there's like a greater chance that Justin Jefferson is traded than probably public perception is out there. I would still be shocked.

But you do have the recipes here for at least it being possible, which is really great quarterback. prospects and the Vikings being this motivated to try to go up. Like, I would only trade just the difference in if I'm going up to one. Then I would maybe think about it. But I wouldn't think about it if I'm the Vikings. But he is not as valuable making $30 million a year or whatever it's going to cost, $100 million guaranteed as he is this moment on this rookie deal. And that's what it's going to cost.

But I still think like it would be. crazy for them to do it. I think it's like there's this assumption because they've got the two number ones that they have everything they need to move up. But if teams aren't going to play ball with those picks and they want, if it's you, we need Justin Jefferson to get up to two or three or whatever, like I think the trend is you move on from some of these like massively starry wide receivers when the contracts become insane. And you find, like DJ said before, like these players will not Justin Jefferson, but great wide receivers will be available in every draft from now until the end of time. But yeah, Jefferson's.

so unique, that Quessi Adofo Menta, their GM's comment that, like, we're ready to make him the highest paid player in the league. To me, that just said they know what they have. And I, I don't think there's almost any chance. But if you, I, if I'm individually looking at Ayuk and Jefferson and you want to throw some surprise, T. Higgins and some surprise names out there, like a, like an A.J. Brown or a devout. Like individually, I don't think any of them are close to likely. But odds, you know, the history would say, like, there'll be one surprise. out there. I think I yuk to the Steelers there's a little buzz and whispers around that

so we'll see. Next one is from Eric Blazell. Who would be your dream non-NFL figure to announce a draft pick for your favorite or any franchise? I came up with a quick list. Oh, I like this.

Brad and Leo. This is from my, this is like from my pick. Like this is my team. It's my team. Your guys. So there would be one. Well, what about Leo potentially playing Frank Sinatra in an upcoming biopic. Did you see that? I did. I don't see the resemblance, but I don't know. Why not?

Well, you don't have to look exactly like it. No, no. I mean, I like him in anything. Both have strong gauze. Yeah, I think he could pull it off. So I have them, I have Chelsea Clinton. Jennifer Lawrence would play his second wife, I believe, in that movie. She's too old for her. Tough luck for the first wife. In real life, yeah. I have Chelsea Clinton dressed in a suit of medieval armor.

King Kong Bundy, although King Kong Bundy, that was the This would make news because King Kong Bundy died in 2019, so we'd be back from the dead. Dana Carvey announcing the pick is Ross Perrault. That would be nice. An AI version of Julius Caesar or Raggedy Ann and Andy. Those are all amazing. I can't top that.

When you get to day three, though, they have animals announcing the picks. Sure. So it does get bizarre. My just first instinct was Nicholas Cage. I just love him. And I just feel like, I don't know what he's going to do. That's the whole beauty of Nicholas Cage.

But I just feel like he will own the moment. our next one's from our friend Matt Tanton had some barbecue with him in Austin he's a big time Bears fan he addresses this directly to tugboat I'm going to take that as a slight

but you know Dan did send out the prompt is the world prepared for the bears to have an actual legit QB if Caleb Williams is as generational as us Bears fans hope, pray, believe he'll be my answer to this is are the bears prepared

the world's prepared the world's not thinking about the Bears. We're excited about new quarterbacks coming into the league. Right. I think he's going to be fantastic. Not like I guess I needed to do this, but just watch it. It's just like, I just can't see how it's not going to work. I just can't see how he's not going to be. And now generational is one thing. But if like Trevor Lawrence level, like you're in the top 10 quarterbacks in the league is the floor. And I'd be surprised if he's like long term. I just can't imagine him not being higher in that. Like we're ready. It's fine. It's another great

quarterback. We love quarterbacks. Are the Bears? is ready because they have been a somewhat unsurious franchise for a long time in terms of their offense and people are like, oh, they're in great position now. It's like, I guess, like, it's a new offensive system

that bringing in, I like Shane Waldron fine. I like Keenan Allen, but they don't really have a number three and you know, he's had his injuries and stuff. The offensive line, it's like, okay, it's a new offensive system. Are they ready? Is Matt Eberflus ready? Is the GM and ownership already?

I'm not, that I'm, I'm, I'm, I'd say especially if at number nine they get one of these like top whiteouts. I, I've talked to Tanton dating back like a decade plus in our newsroom about the bears. And he's frustrated from the top of the heap all the way down with how the whole place is run. And I get it. But even under Levy Smith and even previous to that, they always had these like 13 and three seasons with no quarterback where it was like, it was always defense in the same, you know, Erlocker and like a great secondary and stuff. It's like if they were a quarterback lead. And the Bears had like a top two or three guy. I think from a fan angle, having watched football for like 40 years, that is something that I'm not totally prepared for in the sense.

They have been sort of the same thing forever. And if not milk toast, sort of the weird, wrong type of good team when they've been going to the playoffs. This is, this would be different. Right. And are we ready for the fans? Because they are among the best fans in league. It would be great for the NFL. They have been irrationally optimistic about their team on an annual basis. Adam Rank here at the NFL, I think, represents that well and been so wrong so many times that when they actually have a real quarterback and a good team, I mean, they're going to get wild. And I love it. It's a great sports town. I was reminded of that watching the 9-10 play in game. I don't know if you were in on Bulls Hawks. It wasn't much

of a game. But that crowd was insane for a night. You know, like the Bulls fans, it makes sense. They just want a winner. And this team's been sub-mediocre forever. They're 10 games under 500, but they're going freaking crazy because they, you know, they want a winner. Football is completely different than basketball. In this case, I think it's, it is the same Greg. It's the same. And yet it's a Bears Town. For all those titles,

everyone in Chicago will tell you. It's still bears and everything else. I thought Bulls would have put that to the test for a long period of time. I had a question. This was the most common question. This one's from Moe Design Things, but we got it about seven or eight times. It asked, will there be an ATN draft show, quite a

enjoyed last year. Unfortunately, there won't be. So we had to mention it at some point. Advice. Rewatch last year's. That still. That would be great. It's got two million views on YouTube, which is wild, but don't have enough resources to do it. So we're very disappointed and would love to bring it back. Not happening this year. All right, we're going to take a quick break. We'll hit more of the mailbag after this. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team building philosophies coaching trends and how front offices construct winning rosters every

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Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Okay, we are back. Next question is what do the heroes think is the most Chris Wesleyan type prospect of the draft? And look, I just want any reason to mention Chris on the show. And it got me thinking, actually, what is that even, what is a Chris Wesleyan type prospect?

prospect. I came up with, I remember how much Wesleyan loved the physical nature of Steve Smith. And I'm not saying they're the same player, but Roma Dunezay to me was like, someone that I think Chris would have been like, I get, son, ice up. I get Marvin Harris and all of it's like, no one's looking past that, but like, Rome to me is this kind of guy that's going to come in and be a nasty physical player. And I think Wes always appreciated that. That is a perfect pick. You're absolutely right. That was his style.

an Anquan Bold and type who I love too. But West was unpredictable on some level in that like he liked what he liked and that was what like quarterbacks he could be all, you know, he loved Marioada, but he also loved like big physical guys like Herbert.

So I thought Drake, Drake, to me popped up. I felt like, you know, that's when I think we would like agreed on that just watching someone do things and I think May could be like this in terms of the throws that he makes do things

that you just haven't seen guys do before that he loved. He loved a running back that could just pop a big play. When I was thinking about what does he like running back? He likes the ones that are physical, certainly. I don't know this class well enough, but Trey Benson is that guy who can just pop the big play. Like, Wes was early

on Jonathan Taylor really thought he'd be great and loved Chris Johnson. And Ingram was healthy. Right. So that's the thing, different types of players. He likes the physical type, but he likes the big playmakers. It's about me. It always is. And yeah, if you want to check my Twitter account this week, I sent out randomly this, what Wes saw as his football syllabus.

It was just a Excel spreadsheet, essentially, of all the books that he believes would be a great. I know you're not active right now on Twitter. Well, I have a copy of this, though. Right, right. And he had sent it out. We have copies. But just randomly, I clicked on it this week. And I thought, oh, that would be cool to send it.

that out and people really like seeing it and it's just got all the best football books of all time categorizing million wins long his best long forms he really spent a lot of the time the first time he was sick going through all these long forms that was like a project form those sports long forms non sports it's really great check check that out on um on my twitter account if you want this week next one is from bradley sadler who says who has a better chance of drafting a first round to be Rams, Jets, or Seahawks. You know, it's interesting because I was going to bring this up with DJ and, you know, we moved on. But he and Bucky had a conversation about the fact that the Seahawks could be a very good destination for Michael Pennix Jr.

That they are, you know, they've got people in the building. They're the guy running their offense is a Pennix. He's a tutor of Pennix. They're up in the northwest. They know Pennix knows how to play in that, in that world, in that weather. And it's someone that you could kind of nestle behind Gino Smith. and Sam Howell for a season which makes sense for him

but it's like the arm talent and what they have it's like I think they should look forward to the quarterback the thing is this though because they have a they've got their first round pick but they don't have a second I believe and so they have to like figure out if they even wanted to package picks and trade up I think they do not have a second

I think they maybe sold I think they got rid of one of theirs but they had they got rid of the they lost one in the Leonard Williams trade but I think they had one from the Bronco So I think it evened out. I'm looking at Seahawks.com and it's round one, round three, two-fourths, two-six, and a seventh. So, I mean, I guess it would be,

it would be, that's kind of your draft right there. And it would be not their number one need at the moment. But I'd say that over the Jets to me. It's like, why are we, first round Jets? Aaron Rogers is telling me he wants to play multiple years. Rams, that's a little spicy. Depends who would fall to him or what they would do. Yeah, I thought, and you're right,

there isn't a second round pick. That was a brain. part by me. I thought it was an interesting question because we haven't heard quarterbacks associated really with any of these teams. And yet they're all strong surprise teams.

The Rams have to start thinking about the post Matthew Stafford world. First round would be a surprise, but if the right guy fell to them or second round. I kind of opened this up in my head as like, okay, but what about a surprise second round pick if the right guy fell,

like if Pennix falls? The Jets, it's not crazy to think about that. We had another question that was like... The first round, though? Not first round, probably. And someone said, well, should the... That would just be a new... That would create a new story, though.

To the Jets do the Jordan Love thing? It did motivate Aaron Rogers to winning two MVP awards. And then the Cioxx, it's almost weird how little connection there has been made that, like, the Washington offensive coordinator is their offensive coordinator. Pennix picked the right year to come out. So he's there.

And then he also has a close relationship and I think, you know, played for Antonio Pierce. And those are two teams that might be drafting quarterbacks. I don't think it's going to be a priority for Seattle in round one, but round two maybe. Never know. Man, I hope not. That'll just be like a lot of drama.

Next question is really for you. It's from Sam Brown. He says, please, can you just give Mark three minutes uninterrupted to talk about what he was doing in the year 1997? I'm excited. Well, I hope this won't take three minutes, but I came up with a bulleted list. I had to go through the memory banks on this one.

And here it goes. Completed an internship at Baseball Weekly in Washington, D.C., top of the year. Bypassed a low-level newspaper job, moved to New York City, and lived in a West 108 department with my friend and a female painter. My room had a mattress, three changes of clothing, and a typewriter. Dated girl for a month who was very severe,

wore librarians' glasses, and gave me pink eye. worked as an assistant at a private investigator's office. I was asked to investigate copyright infringement, mainly like little companies calling themselves things like Costco 2 on these calls. I used an AKA Drew Corbett and would compile a case to bust their asses. Then left New York City to take a job at Camp Jewell, that Camp Happeningis Place is what you guys call it. Along with a female counselor named Amy took a gaggle of youths on a week-long hike through the woods

where it rained on us for three days. When summer camp ended, I stayed at the camp and went on a, 21-day water fast, where on days 18 and 19, tapeworms came out of my body. Moved to Boston for a month, and did it, it is gross. Moved to Boston for a month and did a 10-day sleep study for $900. You'd stay awake for 72 hours in a row as an example, had spiritual visions by the end, got on the Greyhound bus and moved to Boulder, Colorado, found a farmhouse for $1,200 a month with my friend, Kristen Bowles, and waited for five friends and housemates to come west,

watched football for nine plus hours on Sundays at a bar called Beryl House 2. Ret Farve was the center of my world. No Browns back then. Worked at a string of 10 to 12 temp jobs, including putting together miniature flashlights at a flashlight factory. I was fired.

Did you fit that all in one year? Yeah. Well, it was a transitory year, though. I don't know how that person knew to pick that year. Other years would have been less movement-oriented. So. That was a perfect year to pick. Yeah, to what?

You must have been just out of college, so that was a perfect year for them. Yes, yeah, with no money. That was a lot of different employment. Yeah, like I, when I was trying to get a real job, I had a friend, like some sort of industry expert, look at my resume and said, like,

you look like someone who's just sort of on the run from the law. So. Tapeworms, not what you want. Walker had some. Like, they literally could, like, see them look like worms. His poop. Yeah, that's where they appear. Disgusting.

Outside of the body. Next question is, and I love that. That is our social clip, Randy. Dan of the Avenue asked, can you ask Greg, which order would he draft the three members of Boy Genius in? Well, I'm not going to do it for football because that just gets weird. But Julie, it's a clear one, two, three here with big tiers in between. So it's Julian Baker first, Lucy Dacus, second, baby Bridgers, third. next one is from pulled alpha it's just obvious any words of advice for a very near future

first time that my immediate thought was would be like don't worry and I guess this would apply to you Eric as well is don't stress or plan too much before they get there seems like a waste of time yeah like enjoy that not like you have to like desert your um your lovely wife, you should be supporting her and helping her in any way, obviously, while she's pregnant. But, like, I see a lot of times people like, well, I got to plan this, I got to do this, I got to come up, it's like, it's all going to be meaningless anyway.

So you might as well just like enjoy, enjoy the time before. It's a little bit of a calm before the storm. Yeah, I really agree with that. I think in general, for a dad, one-on-one time is very valuable, no matter what you're doing. but the second thing I thought it was like with a child with a child yeah with our firstborn Luke like I had I was home four days a week like during because I was working in NFL but it was only three days a week and like I literally was what like taking care of him as a newborn for like

hours a day and it formed this incredible bond so I know a lot sometimes dads like out on all that until like until the baby can talk or the child can like interact it's like get in there early and like be part of that because it really creates something that I never expect to So there you go, Eric. Right. I'm actually pretty excited. I don't know. I mean, obviously, I'm pretty excited.

I'm having a son. But, like, I'm really, like, gung-ho. I've had weird radio hours before, so, like, I feel like I've been primed and nurtured to have be up at 2 a.m. every two hours through the night. So, like, I'm actually kind of excited about, like, being... My wife has done enough.

Like, I'm going to be, like, ready to go and take over whenever it needed, so... Good messaging. Five weeks out. That's exciting. And although I do find it, I feel like this happens for a lot of couples that they realize with the second kid.

It's like, well, we don't both have to get up every time. My wife has made that clear that. There will be a period of time where I am the overnight guy. Sure. But the key being like, either she's the overnight woman that night or in general that week or whatever it is. And, you know, it doesn't have to be the same person every day. Don't tug on each other night after that.

You don't need to be like, oh, you know, you're getting, it's like, do one or the other. You want the other stronger in the day. Also, people don't know this, but every human child is dramatically different. And so these like base sort of like recommendations for what to do and how to think like, you know, it doesn't exactly work

because every child reacts completely different. Look at the Wesleyan brothers. Right. Even my two children, advice for one would have been terrible advice for the other and vice versa. Right. Well, we'll get through this first one before I got to worry about trends.

I'm just, you know. I'm just saying they're all different. seems like a fair plan. Jeff Yates, what would, in your mind, be the most polarizing pick your team of fandom could make this year?

Oh, I didn't read this right the first time. Well, for me, it would be the Patriots trading down and just doing that. No matter who's on the board, whether it's May or Daniels. And I would be personally more into it

if May is gone and Daniels is on the board and they traded down to like the Giants and they still get one of the receivers. To me, I'm going to, I'm going to ride with that and just see what happens. But that would be the most polarizing. Everyone wants the QB.

I think so. If I'm coming from a Browns angle, like they don't pick till the 54th pick. And so I kind of was like, I mean, quarterback's stupid just because they're not going to take a quarterback at 54. But like I thought the one thought, like the beating heart of the Browns is Nick Chubb,

but there's questions about his health still and where it'll be and like his future to some degree in terms of like, what is this player post injury? If they went and picked at 54, it could work, like a starting type running back, I think that would cause some problems with certain Browns fans. Yeah, that wouldn't make sense.

The thing is, like, everyone loves all these offensive players and, like, none of the tackles are going to be polarizing. It's always a team that just looks at their board differently than the rest of the league. It's often been the Seahawks lately. It used to be the Patriots often, where it's just like they take a guy

who's on the consensus board, at like 43 except they take them at 16 and everyone goes crazy but it's like you don't know anything finlay mcclure which you know sounds suspicious is that a made-up name finlay mcclure i think it possibly is from overseas possibly or it's a character from like duck tails if you are sean peyton and the broncos which scenarios do you pick trade up to four give up uh three first to get mccarthy or may stand pat at twelve and take pennix or take best player available non-quarterback at 12 and build the team up first. Of those three, I would go for the third option.

But I like that- Don't take a quarterback. Yeah. I just think reaching at 12 seems silly. And I don't, I wouldn't give up all those picks for the third quarterback in this class. Even though I love me. I think you stay at 12 and I think there's a real chance that Bo Nix is available at your second round pick or Michael Pennix is available.

Like all these guys aren't going to go. Like, don't force it. I'm with the don't force it, but don't ignore a quarterback just because, like, this concept of we're going to build a team and wait for a quarterly, like, if they go four and 13, you don't have time for that. Like, no one has time for that. I'm Peyton might of anyone, but yeah, I hear it. I don't know.

I feel like the Peyton thing, like, needs to work for, like, this invincibility shield around them to continue to be accurate. And there's, it's, like, the quarterback draft is going to allow someone to come down there. But I would do it. But if you're saying May, is this. potentially a player that we've never seen before and he's sitting there at three. It's like, then why would you not trade

straight up to go get that quarterback? Three first round picks. Sure. But if he's that guy, no, who's, no, it'll look genius. That's fair. You don't know if he is. The Patriots also would, or whoever it would be

would have to take that pick. So you need two teams to tango there. Oh, the Elliott Wolf, the GM in practice, not in name for the Patriots said on Thursday. We're open for business. We're open for business. on pick three and everything else, but we're open for business.

So I think they'll be listening. What's your favorite draft memory? Ask Brandon Smith. What draft pick are your favorite team were you most excited about at the time of the pick? What player most surprised by turning into a bust?

What do you got? I mean, I know mine happened on this show and like there's a clip that I wish wasn't out there to some degree when the Browns did this. With the 22nd pick in the 2014 NFL draft, the Cleveland Brown select Johnny Menzell. How does it feel? How does it feel?

That was Dave Damasek. Will you be sad if Ryan Chazier kills him in the lead one? No. No. No. It's a boy on Christmas. Oh, the Christmas is coming. I mean, we were shoved into those Radio City musical seats,

which were made for people in the 1910s. And, you know, I had walked around, like, Manhattan for days kind of wishing this would happen. And when it happened, it felt like Cleveland is the most exciting thing in the National Football League, and then it went completely, completely, totally south into hell. It's pretty rough. I mean, you look younger there, but I think you look better now.

So that was nice. Everyone should check that out on YouTube. Thanks. that was Dave Damashek's voice you heard and just like you can't really put words to Mark's expression there. I read this question wrong and just thought like general draft moments

I'm trying to think of the Patriots player I was most excited about. Weirdly Will Fork fell so far to them and seemed like such a Patriots guy and that was about the peak of like Patriots always make the right picks fandom for me that I just remember being so pumped when Vince Wolfork fell to them at the time

But otherwise, you know, when the Vikings didn't take their pick and the other two, like, ran up to take it in 03, that was just like an incredible draft. Yeah, so you're like, what am I watching? The 04 draft to me, nothing will top Rivers, Big Ben, Eli Manning. There was a lot of stuff going into their after, but literally as it happened, we all thought they were going to trade and make the trade ultimately that they did make,

but no one knew for sure. and then the Chargers take Eli and he has to hold it up. And there's not Twitter at that point. And so it's just like you're living in this total netherworld. It was like, wow, they really took them. They're putting the Giants' feet to the fire. Like, what the hell is going to happen? I guess they're just going to keep him.

And he's holding it up and he's like not happy about it. And so that like 20, 30 minutes, it was 15 minutes per pick then before Rivers and the Eli trade actually happened. And that was just so balzy by their GM who it's escaping me, who that was. It was AJ Smith, I believe, was his name, who just sat there, took Eli and just waited until the best offer came in

and they got a great one. And then they ended up getting rivers. So they were both. I think both those things you mentioned, the missed picked by the Vikings and in that scenario right there, like, that's never really happened since that way at all. So, yeah.

That was incredible. The Ricky, William, I was in New Orleans. That was crazy. I was in New Orleans for that draft. that was when I was in college. That hasn't happened again either. No, that was a wild thing. And that was a rare time.

I think I just wanted the weekend off. Right. In the post game, the press conference where he came and showed up in Ricky's dreads, wearing Ricky's dreads. It was just a, it was a different time. All right, we're going to take one last break and wrap up the mailbag next.

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Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Let's go to our next tweet. Oh, yeah. You know, I brought this one up. Last year is Greg hit on Sam Leporta. Who is Greg's only fantasy sleeper superstar that Dynasty Keeper managers need to keep their eye? I still want to watch some of these running backs.

I can't pretend that I have a. a hot-taking. That's usually the fantasy thing. But for me, it's Brian Thomas Jr. I just love me some Brian Thomas Jr. Love him. Like, I just think that he could be up there with those three guys in the end as just this crazy explosive year-after-year, big-time wide receiver. Yeah, and Chad Ryder, who we had on yesterday, had him falling all the way down to the Bengals. Yeah, there's a lot of disagreement with him that he could go anywhere.

But that would be an incredible landing spot. That would be, if he landed there, he would be a big-time player sooner than later. Where on the P scale, our next tweet asked, and I think this is the last one. How about that? We cranked. Is Greg Rosenthal in terms of the P scale in regards to the Delaware tapes being released? I have an update on this situation. I was, I've been going to go poop.

No, that's not the update. I've been ready all week for this update, but Dan just hasn't brought it up. I don't feel like it'd be right to do without Dan here. Okay. Save it. We'll just, we'll just. we'll just... You don't seem too unnerved by the whole situation.

I'm fine. Okay. Fine. I'm proud. That's it. Mark, what a week of shows. Next week, we're on to the draft. That will be a bigger week than this week by leaps and bounds.

It will, but it's just the adrenaline, the excitement carries you through. We'll be back on Monday, Eric Wright. And then we'll also have the Mark Sessler-Mock draft. We'll be there on draft night. We'll wrap up. the draft with winners and losers over the weekend. So I'm excited. The adrenaline kind of carries you through draft week. I'm ready for the pre-draft process to be over. Let's go. For Mark Sessler, Randy Chavez, Daniel Jeremiah. Thanks for coming on. Eric, miss you, Dan.

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