NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Draft Weekpalooza Day 2

Episode Date: April 27, 2021

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal bring you all of the latest news around the NFL including what is going on with the 49ers and a potential doomsday (05:14)? John Lynch says that they are working together for the draft (8:50) and Kyler Murray claims that he has influence when it comes to the Cardinals pick (14:53). We do a mini dive into BITCOIN in a new segment titled "Money on Money" (23:19) before Chase Goodbread aka "Carbs" joins the show to talk about Alabama and SEC sleepers (26:35).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast has tremendous upside. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hanses. I come to you from a virtual room filled with some heroes. Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. All right, the draft is now. 48 hours away.

Thank God. I have an idea. I have a product pitch. I think I know you're going to love it, Mark. But, Greg, I think you'll like it too. Game pass, okay, and this might actually exist. Game pass, a game in 40, you know, everybody loves that. It used to be game in 30, Mark.

I know both you and West, that was a sensitive subject. Some people like the draft more than other people. Me, I love, like, certain subplots around a draft that, like, the what how things shake out after the draft but the draft itself is not the easiest watch for me draft in 40 give me the first round with go all through the picks give me a little bit of the analysis from our team and some highlights um and then any other drama and then you instead of a three or four hour exercise i could just do whatever i want on my thursday night and then plug in and watch draft in 40 like what am i actually missing uh in fact what am i gaining a part of my life back

Well, so let's start here. You're missing nothing. And I love this. It was even this morning that I was thinking to myself, you know, this is a king has no closed scenario because we can hype up the draft all we want. And I think the process and the lead up and their intrigue around certain plot points is wonderful television. And I was the kid that would sit and watch the entire thing when it used to be on one day way back in the wind. But let's be real. It is, it is used as a television vehicle. He's like Bullet Bob Hayes with the first pick in Mark sitting, crisscrossed applesauce in front of the radio? No. No, but they didn't spread it out over like, you know, a long weekend. It used to be, you know, they'd, an incredibly ponderous long television event. But now, you know, they've done that even more. Now, I mean, remember Mike Mayox? I thought appropriate annoyance when there was like a baboon announcing like the cult's pick in round seven.

It just, it's absurd. It borders on. Oh, he was so pissed. Mind numbing. Yes. They maybe do have that option. I wouldn't be surprised. I think it would be heartbreaking for most of the country that loves the draft.

Because I think to a lot of people, I've talked to so many, like draft night is better than any game all year. And they want the whole thing. It'd be like the same way you'd feel about, you know, a Jets playoff game versus watching condensed. They're even worse than that. So people want to eat it up. I do love draft night. If you could give me the last two months in 40, that's what I would go for. Give me everything I need to know from the last two months of draft coverage in 40 as a condensed.

I'm signing up for that, but I love, I love like draft one, at night one at least. The most fantastical thing anyone has said so far in this podcast is a Jets playoff game. I don't even know what that is anymore. Not that long ago. What have we got? I mean, it's one of the longest droughts in football now. It's been about over a decade. But so, yeah, so you go game pass round one.

And then you could do rounds two through seven. in 40 minutes also. Oh, I mean, that third day, that third day, you can feel like the blood about to come out of your ears. They're going to change. I just thought about this too. Last week, I was saying how, you know, the way society is now,

Mr. Irrelevant is not going to be lasting as a name, a moniker because it's going to be deemed insensitive. They're just going to make them Mr. Relevant. And then give him a little blue ribbon with his parade. Mr. Brave. How brave of you to be the last pick and the judge? I want this sandwich. Do we have the sandwich on Irrelevant?

Yes. The sandwich wager is, and by the way, go get my lunch. Draft Edition is coming up tomorrow, so make sure you check it out. The wager is in the next five years, Mr. Irrelevant gets scrubbed from NFL.com and in general as a cultural thing around the draft to a more sensitive name that celebrates what the athlete is accomplished. That is my prediction in five years. And it's a five sandwich prop, Greg. I'll give you five sandwiches in five years. years.

Okay, great. I'm really excited about this one. And you remember, to your condensed drafting, I mean, they have condensed. Remember, it used to be 15 minutes per pick in the first round? So I think they could go even a little farther, make it like five minutes per pick. And let's just fly. It'll be a wild couple of hours. All right.

Nice show coming up. Carbs back with us. Chase Goodbred, one of NFL.com's great college football writer and reporters is going to talk to us. he's embedded down there in Alabama. And, you know, Alabama has been a hotbed at the top of the first round for the last two years, really forever. But these past two years especially so I want to talk about some of these Crimson Tide guys and other other draft related situations around as we get closer to the draft. Also, we got to do some news.

Got to see what's going on in our league. league so let's hit it rick i can't guarantee that anybody in the world will be alive sunday so i can't guarantee who will be on our roster on sunday um so that goes for all of us wow kyle shanahan digging in in his uh monday press conference talking about the number three overall pick in the 2021 NFL draft held by his 49ers uh that was in relation mark to uh questions about the future of Jimmy Garoppolo and whether he is still a part of the Niners going forward. And Greg, as you put it on Twitter, that was a very cesslerian response. Yeah, even like the look in his eyes, the way he said it.

Because there's a way that you could say that. A little bit of a rage in him. Yeah. Yeah, that I think could have been more of like of a existentialist, like live in the moment. To me, that's like a positive way to look at life that we might not be here on Sunday to enjoy like what you have. there's nothing guaranteed but that didn't feel like where he was coming from with that it felt it felt dark and it felt like a darkness coming over jimmy garapolo's tenure with the 49ers too yeah i took that away from it too that i think jimmy g will be somewhere else didn't that

always kind of feel a little absurd this song and dance about how jimmy j is excited and how up front the niners are with him and he's going to be a good little boy the only reason he'd be a good little boy, it's because he's not going to go with the money if he got cut. But if he, the best scenario for him is to get traded and retain the, what, $26 million he's meant to make this season. I mean, but the Shanahan's have always kind of had their ups and downs with the media. I mean, Mike Shanahan, remember when we started at the NFL, he had that press conference where he walked out when reporters were jabbing at him about the concept of leaks inside the team. I would just say this. If you're Kyle Shanahan, yeah, it's like, why?

Why share secrets with a bunch of ham and eggers? Why spill things that you know? Wait, why are they Hamonegers because they work in the media? What makes him like a god where he is, you're saying, he can do whatever he wants with these plebeians beneath him? Is that what your angle is there? I'm just saying he has to work with them in terms of doing the press conference. But why, like, you know, is Jimmy G going to be traded?

Like, sure, let me give you a full dossier on what we plan to do with Jimmy G. It's like, you ask these questions. I'm not going to answer them. I'm not going to... But how they answer him is instructive. And it doesn't surprise me that there's some report, you know, CBS had one where, you know, they think Jimmy G is going to get traded this weekend. And I think, you know, an answer like that, you know, did give, it was a good way to ask it.

Because it gave, I think, a little bit of information that maybe Jimmy G will be on another team that they're not going to go through with this. Who knows what's happened in the conversations between Jimmy G and Kyle Shannon that he said that they've had? And the big headline is that the 49ers, like five quarterbacks as they sit at the number three overall pick. They're like five better than Jimmy G. It's kind of insulting to Jimmy G. Let's listen to the general manager, John Lynch, his thoughts that came out of this press conference.

It's been an incredibly thorough process, but ultimately someone's got to be charged with making a decision. And in this case, it's the both of us. Everyone has, you know, in your contract, you do this. The draft is mine. But I told Kyle from the beginning that this is, you know, I had. doing this together. And when it comes to quarterbacks, I'd be foolish, I believe.

We have a head coach who's also our offensive play caller. I will always defer to him. And you know, what's cool about that is that Kyle I think respects my opinion enough. He always wants it. And ultimately we arrive at decisions. We will. And come Thursday, we'll have a pick

that hopefully makes everyone proud, but that will be judged in years to come. Okay, here's the part of that quote that I found interesting, because it does speak to the way this is all, this goes down. ultimately someone has got to be charged with making a decision and in this case it's the both of us but that's not what it's ultimately someone decides who that guy is it's not something that they necessarily agree on it comes down to one person that decides for the organization and that is if you're looking to dig in to some intrigue behind the scenes here and maybe why there's a little edginess in kyle shannon's voice when he's talking about things that maybe there's some bumping heads here Mm-hmm. I think back, go ahead, Mark.

No, I was going to say you hear that like the football side, you know, under John Lynch, that those guys are into, they're not into Mac Jones. That's not who they want. But if he does, if he does, then we're going to find out how the power structure operates here. I think it's Kyle Shanahan above all the rest. Right. I'll tell you how it is. It's Kyle Shanahan.

It's his team. He essentially hired John Lynch. I think that gets forgotten. and the order of who gets hired matters a lot now officially lynch is in charge of the draft but shannahan got hired there was like a little process between when they got the gm when when shanahan was still the OC of Atlanta and he basically rubber stamp lynch who he talked to he essentially interviewed and hired lynch and okay yeah it does make sense of course he should pick the quarterback but the edginess you talk about dan i think could have something to do with these reports coming out because koshanahan's no dope he knows where these could be coming from. They could be coming from inside the building. And I think that could be very frustrating. And I think there could be a frustration inside the building. Because I think you can look at Kyle Shanahan and recognize that he is the best play caller in the league. He helps quarterbacks, I think, more than any guy in the league, but that he maybe isn't the best

quarterback evaluator ever. Because he's the same guy who passed on Watson and Mahomes so that he could take C.J. Beatherd and talks up Beatherd. He, and everyone wants to say, well, Garapola fell in his lap. No, he's the one in charge of quarterbacks. Garapolo's been his guy for three years, whether you like it or not. Like, has he been pristine in, like, orchestrating the quarterback position in San Francisco?

Now he gets a chance to get his guy. So I'm looking forward to that, and I don't really doubt him making a choice. But I think I think there is something going on here in terms of the front office in Shanahan. Keep tracking it. Trade went down today, Tuesday. Ian Rappaport

broke it, that Washington the football team acquired Eric Flowers the tackle end a late round draft pick from the Dolphins who sent back a excuse me who receive a late round pick it's Flowers who was drafted back in 2015 as a first rounder they gave him a three or $30 million deal

20 of that guaranteed didn't really work out so now he goes back over to Washington and we'll see what happens there what does this mean Greg in terms of going forward with Miami and their pick at number six. A lot of people think it might be them taking Penae Sewell if he's available at six or possibly Rishan Slater, a tackle. Because now they need a right tackle.

I mean, Flowers wasn't playing tackle, but they drafted Robert Hunt last year who played some tackle, and he's probably going to move inside. And so it would make their trade down from three to six would also make a little more sense. Whether they're taking a playmaker or not, it's like they ultimately pulled a swathes. where they got some picks, moved from three to six,

and now they're looking at a tackle. It just continues this trend, though, of them moving on from guys fast. Shaq Lawson, Kyle Van Nuoy, Eric Flowers, Jordan Howard, all signed big contracts last year. None of them made it back to the team this year. And he's on his third offensive coordinator in three years, and his second, and he's had two defensive coordinators. So they've been rolling through a lot of guys.

I was going to say, is that a sign of a coach that knows exactly one and has great vision, or is there something off in how this is coming together in Miami? I know he's made progress, of course, Flores, and deserves a lot of credit for what he's built so far, but there's a little bit of, I don't know, there's a lot going on there, it seems. I mean, the Eric Flowers and Kyle Van Nuys of the world, they overpaid for average players. They're not stars. They're not moving on from foundational pieces. I think they overpaid for them because they tried to get that roster up and running in a hurry. It was a real mess.

but you'd like to see maybe more one or two-year deals more cost-efficient. That may be one of the – I love their front office, but they haven't been totally perfect. And if they take Sewell or Slater at 6, that could put Carolina in a bad spot who wants one of them. And it also – I think is going to lead to something happen, which happened last year, which is all these receivers everyone loves end up falling because there's so many of them. Because, you know, it feels like you can get a good one in the second round. And so maybe there's not as many of these, like, Alabama receivers, which we'll talk about going in the top 10 that people thought.

I also would not be shocked if the dolphins move down again. I mean, this is just a team. Number six, there could be a lot of intrigue. If there's a run on quarterbacks, which there will be. And someone is viewing number six as the place they can go get Justin Fields. Miami, I don't care who they may be hot on. They seem like more than any team in the league willing to move up and down the board at their leisure. In other news, Kyler Murray,

during his third year in the NFL with the Arizona Cardinals, former number one overall pick, was on Good Morning Football on Tuesday, and he was asked whether he has any input on selections by Arizona and whether General Manager Steve Kime considers the QB's opinion when making choices. Here's what he had to say. I do believe.

I do believe I think I have an influence in it. I don't know why I wouldn't. You know, I think, you know, if you got a guy, a quarterback, and you trust them and you, you know, you want to be the face of the franchise for, you know, a lot of years, I think he should have influence, just because, I mean, everything, you know, is technically built around the quarterback. So I think I have that relationship with Steve and Cliff.

And, you know, I'm excited to see what we do on Thursday. Feels like that's where football and sports are going. Your biggest stars, they're not just the guys on the field putting up the numbers. They're involved. If they're at that high level, franchise quarterback and certainly is the top of the heap, I feel like they should have a voice and should be in the decision-making process to a certain degree. Do you guys agree? I mean, I would just say this.

Like, yes, to a certain degree, I think you want to build a bridge with your stars. And they, especially if you're a quarterback, you want to feel supported and hurt. And I mean, so we've seen some organizations, the Seahawks kind of bungle that and you suddenly are in a place of chaos. But I would just say this, too, that for the like the regional scout that is spending like six, straight months and like blasted out motel rooms, you know, putting together massive, you know, dense reports on all these players. The idea that we get to a place where, um, your star player has equal time in a draft room as that person. I'm not, that's not what we're at. And I's all respect to scouts and who deserve respect for putting in the work and grinding. But when you're

a Kyler Murray type player, you're a quarterback. You are kind of a football savant. So I feel like that guy has just as much, should have just a loud of voice in terms of knowing what's talent and what's not and who can help and who can help. I think, I'm not saying it's not talented, but the idea that you're, that you go, you go take the scouting department out for beers after making Kyler Murray 50% of the decision making process. Well, I said to a certain extent. I didn't say 50%. It's just, it's just another voice. And especially if you're talking about receivers or something like that. It is interesting to know, he, this is sort of, it's not new for Kyler. He publicly campaigned for his old teammate C.D. Lamb last year.

And that would have been a nice pick for them in hindsight. And their pick Isaiah Simmons had some big struggles. It's only one year you don't want to get two kids. I wonder. Who knows? Maybe Murray would have gotten a better pick. Maybe it's connected. Maybe he stews about that a little bit and just hasn't spoken up on it.

Maybe the Brown should have let Brandon Whedon organized the three drafts after he was picked by the team, right? Mark's fired up today. I don't think you get it. No, I just find it slightly absurd. I mean, it's like, just because you're great at quarterback, you should be, look, I'm with you, Dan, I think it's just, it's lip service. Just let them feel like part of the process.

If you find out you've got this person that's like a true wizard, okay, but I wouldn't assume. Just to be clear, Brandon Whedon was a terrible, like, 34-year-old rookie quarterback that never did anything in the league. Kyler Murray is widely seen as one of the great young stars in football. There is a difference. Sure. Go eight and eight again.

you know what I know it's going to be a good Sessler show is when he uses the phrase good little boys at some point this is like what Sessler has different phrases which kind of like pop up as they get hot and not and good little boys is a hot one now when you got the good little boy dropped early in the show it's going to be well I am annoyed at myself and I will tell you something because I made a major mistake

which just revealed how big of a fool I am when I don't do my homework what happened I wish our friend Matt Money Smith a happy birthday because I had seen someone else wish him happy birthday and so I just jumped on it and put out a tweet

and all these people I think it has like three or 400 likes and Matt Well so Matt Matt texted me and he's like Hey man like I should actually read this to you This is whole it's very quintessential

Matt Money Smith Thanks for the birthday wishes brother Very kind of you It pains me to say I don't know why my Wikipedia page Which I didn't even That's not where I got it from is wrong, but for whatever reason it is, my birthday is in August and I've never updated it.

So he was, I was like, should I keep it up? Should I take it down? I said, let's just keep it up because who's going to remember in August that this happened? Let's just get you a lot of likes and love on this weird little Monday. But what a fool. I mean, like he, you know, I emailed him and said happy birthday because of your tweet. So I wouldn't beat yourself up over it. It's no big deal. So I'm not beating myself up. It's just like another, you know, like, you know, the mistakes accumulate. I got, you know, I got a few tweets yesterday. everybody was like, by the way, the Johnny Mansell draft was not nine years ago. And it also wasn't nine years ago, nine years ago today.

How could you make that mistake? And I was like Tommy Lee Jones and the fugitive. I don't care. Calm down. Who cares? I mean, I thought it was. It wasn't like I purposely got the time element wrong. But you're really going to fact check me on that?

We had a fun little lockdown memory. to say to the day though to the day feels like you would have i must have like it was a i mean now we're giving a time but i think i must have seen april 26 maybe that was the upload date of the youtube video i don't know i don't remember exactly why but uh everybody relax it was not nine years ago it was seven years ago and it was seven years ago this week i happy now is that make a better show is that is that what you were looking for right to me also birthday wishes are like a state of So I think it would be totally appropriate if all our listeners, you know, sent birthday messages to Matt Money Smith now, still, like after the fact.

I think they should. Let them know that you care. Let them know that you care. Two more news items, and then we're going to get carbs on here. First, new Vikings cornerback, Patrick Peterson, is the first player to take advantage of the NFL's new relaxed rule on jersey numbers. He's now going to be number seven. Seems insane to me.

But again, as not a huge college football guy, seeing cornerbacks run around in secondaries at number six. seven like that's not something i've ever really seen so to me it's like i don't know it's like mckey mannall wearing number seven and playing catcher or something it just doesn't add up uh but peterson's he's happy now we know uh gregg uh that he has to buy out the existing stock of his old number he's on a new team right does that count because he's on a new team so maybe that i think so he doesn't have to buy out the jerseys and drop them over they hadn't made it yet they had drop him over an orphanage or something like his alvin cook said his would

cost $1.5 million, and he was like, no thing. I just wait. Wow. And finally in the news, and this was interesting to me, but also, I have to be honest, befuddling. Chief's tight end, Sean Culkin, I imagine no relation to McCauley and Kieran and the rest of the Culkin gang. He announced via Twitter that he will be the first NFL player to convert all of his salary to Bitcoin.

and Culkin, he doesn't have a guaranteed roster spot with Kansas City, but if he could become Travis Kelsey's backup, he would be paid $920,000 by the chiefs and U.S. dollars, but in turn, we'll convert that to Bitcoin. And, you know, you got Bitcoin and you got NFT and all this stuff sometimes either it's me not having any type of economics background or be just getting older and just being a little disconnected. This stuff confuses me. So I decided this would be a good time to introduce a new micro segment, I call it,

micro seg on the pod called Money on Money. Bitcoin is a currency. So if you're on forks, then you're in currency trading. Think of it as a dollar. I think probably the better way to run a parallel is gold, right? If you own gold, you kind of own the physical gold itself. I suppose you could figure out a way to get your hands on it. But really, you own the idea of gold, you own shares of gold, and you can trade in gold.

A lot of people have gold to balance out their portfolio, to protect against different directions of inflation or a volatile market. You know, gold has been around for, what, 5,000 years as an anchor. Basically, what Sean Culkin's going to do is get paid in whatever, his regular paycheck. And then he's just going to take that paycheck to a place like Coinbase or some. particular market that trades in Bitcoin and he's going to purchase the Bitcoin. And that would be no different than him taking that paycheck and saying, I'm going to put my entire paycheck into the S&P, or I'm going to put my entire paycheck into the Dow, into their NASDAQ.

Sean Culkin, I'm assuming, is trying to angle for some sort of endorsement deal or to be part of a company that would be interested in hiring him to promote and sell the idea of Bitcoin. there it is wow I mean it would be more ironic I think we all just got a little bit smarter just now I think we all just got a little bit smarter No I mean he's like it would be more ironic

if Matt Money Smith actually were bad with money or had no interest in money but the problem is he I'm like what Netflix show should I watch tonight and he's like digging into like deep portfolios and stuff there's different types of people and they see differently he added there's a his portfolio

um consists of a sizable portion of it has some type of a bitcoin leaning so money is money on money is a segment that's on fire already because you just know it's coming from somebody that lives it i mean his name is money i mean i don't know how this isn't already a part of his life how he's not getting paid to do this on like cnbc or whatever what is the financial one it's see yes i believe it's that that's it that's it i think that was very informative and it's good you asked him he gave like a very education educated answer

because I think that's part of the problem with Bitcoin. There's just not enough people who will talk to you about it, even when you don't want to hear about it. It's just like, I just wish like the Bitcoin people would be a little more aggressive in like talking to everyone about it. You know, it's just like I need to hear more. So come at us. Greg is, I don't know where he's coming from sometimes

with the arrows that he slings in all directions. Oh, here's where I'm coming from. The worst people on Twitter are the ones talking about Bitcoin. That's where I'm coming from. I can find some people that can compete with that. That's an auto mute. That's an auto mute. All right.

That's what's happening in the, I didn't know. I had no idea, Greg, that you had that take. But maybe there's some really good people out there also that are just thinking differently with money. But it's kind of like, it's just like a religion. It's,

I'm all for people doing whatever makes them money. Right. But when they're pushing it on you aggressively all the time. Like the Elon Musks of the world. Right. Well, there's a lot of carryover there. There's a lot of carryover there. Yeah, it's like the slimy stockbrokers of the 80s are now like these type of people that are in this advanced currency, if you will. Like, you're not, you don't understand money.

I'm in the future and you're in the past. It's like, okay, bro, calm down. We'll put our pants on one leg in a time. See, now I'm on Greg's side. Now what I don't understand. I'm not against you. I just, it's a world I don't. I'm a child in those realms.

All right. That's what's happening in the news. All right. Man. Pink Floyd, that's a good band. You know, it's another good band? The drive-by truckers. And when I think of the drive-by truckers, I think of one man.

Chase Goodbread. And we welcome him in now to the Around the NFL podcast. There he is. I call him carbs. But this is a dude that eats during. draft time he eats all the knowledge and then delivers it to us what's up carbs i don't know where i was going with that good to be back on here how are y'all good good what's new carbs it's been a while what are you up to it's been a while yeah it's about annual with you guys but i enjoy it every year so

for sure yeah i'm looking forward to the draft uh probably gonna not not in cleveland this year i've been some years not others this is a not year and so uh i'm happy to to fire up the grill and do it that way. Very nice. Beautiful. Carb is a man that knows how to have fun down there in Alabama. And, you know, Carbs, it's kind of a fascinating symmetry here with these last two drafts. So, of course, last year, Tua goes fifth overall in the first round.

Henry Ruggs goes 12th to the Raiders. Jerry Judy, 15th to the Broncos. So all Alabama products. year you're hearing mac jones as a top five pick in the first round and then you have devontas smith and jaylin waddle that are projected to be front half of the first round guys as well this is pretty wild and i know it's a football factory down there but this pretty hardcore yeah two quarterbacks and two two quarterbacks and four receivers across two years uh all maybe in the i guess in the top half of the first round it is it is pretty crazy the the receiving core that two had at alabama

At one point, Jalen Waddle was the number four, right? Because he was stuck behind Devante Smith and Ruggs and Judy. I don't think I'll ever see a deeper college receiving core in my lifetime. I really don't know than those four. And Smith and Waddle, you know, that's been a fun discussion for a lot of people who's going to get picked first, who's going to be the better pro and all that. I like Waddle a little bit more than Smith as a pro, which kind of cuts against the grain because Smith is the one that had a monster year.

And I think Smith will be a good pro. I don't buy into this weight stuff, you know, him being too small. I think that's largely kind of media creation. But I do think Waddle is going to make a little bit better pro. He's a faster, he's faster. He's got more shake and bake in the open field. He's crazy good as a return guy. If you wanted to, if you wanted a comp for me on Jalen Waddle,

I would say to you, if you remember Dante Hall, the kicking specialist, the return specialist with the Chiefs, if Dante Hall had been an all-pro receiver along with being an all-pro return guy, that's what Jalen Walla's going to look like in the NFL to me. That's why I still not ruling out him going to Miami at 6th, this trade they made in some talk that they'll take a tackle. there makes like more sense but I you know you look around people kind of in people you know they wager on this we can talk about this now in this new NFL like the idea of like waddle or smith who goes first it would not surprise me at all carbs if the a lot if a lot of NFL teams agree with everything you just said and that because of that waddle actually goes off the board first it won't surprise me a bit and it's a shame that he busted his foot pretty bad against Tennessee and missed most of his last year at Alabama, but there's lots of film on him. Even when he was a number four, his freshman year, which I guess would have been 2018, he was, you can see flashes that this guy is going to be a pro. There's no doubt about it.

He's just too fast. He's too quick. He's too good. His sophomore year, he was dynamite as well, although again, behind Rugs and Judy, he didn't get a ton of catches. So not a lot of mileage on him, I guess, when you look at it, that. way but for sure he's a he's a special athlete and i think he's going to be making big plays and returning and returning punts and kickoffs in a big way right away you know carbs um tomorrow around

this time my mock draft uh goes live before the nations the eyes of the nation so there'll be some surprises there but like you know not surprising a lot of Alabama players um Patrick Sertaine i'm not going to reveal to you or anyone else where i placed him um but it feels organic it feels right is he the most sure thing could you make an argument that he's the most short thing in this entire first round by the way i want the audience to know that uh we know chase uh good bread very well from years back at different events but not on a day-to-day basis we don't work together so i don't know if carbs had a very like straight face down i don't know if he thinks mark's being dead serious about the mock draft uh and was taking in strider if he knows

that was all in jest but either way it's it's funny to me i like it no i get it i i i i get it. The world is waiting with bated breath for Sessler's for the tiniest of minutia about Sessler's mock. Why would they not? Absolutely. I'm going to predict he's going to the Cowboys. Now he'll

have to change it if he did that, but I'm going to predict that. Oh, he's trying to rain on him. Sir Tann is a safe pick, though. Yeah, no doubt. He's I got a chance to watch him at his pro day up close. That was on March 23rd. And

Yeah, you could tell the scouts were buzzing about him. His vertical jump, the broad jump, all that athletic stuff. He ran a strong 40-yard dash. I think his 40 was in the four-fours. He's got the tape. He started for Nick Savon as a freshman, which tells you a lot because Nick Saban is a defensive back. He's not only a defensive coach. He's a defensive backs coach.

He calls himself the highest paid DBGA in college football. He's always with the dbs in practice. And he's been a big sur tan. fan from day one has worked him some early in his career. He actually worked a little bit at Nickel in that slot corner spot. And then he ended up being more of a full-time guy on the outside. He's plenty big enough to play outside. But if an NFL club wanted to drop him inside, he could handle that too.

I'm fascinated, though, about these teams that are taking cornerbacks early. And teams are like, okay, that upgrades that position. That's a safe pick. When was last cornerback to come into the league and make a different? difference. Like that is a tough position right now. It is. Come into the league and be good right away. I'm not saying that they don't eventually. Right. But it wasn't last year. What about Marshawn Latimore? It wasn't the year before. I was just about to say Latimore. Yeah, that's 2017 though. So that's, that's tricky. When you're drafting top 10,

Certan seems really like a safe pick and it's exciting. But I do wonder, you know, towards the top of the draft. If that's going to affect any team, probably not because everyone needs cornerbacks. But it just seems like it's a trend right now linebackers are a little similar too like guys that have to cover they're getting they're getting flayed like like no matter who you are if you're coming out from college maybe it's just a two or three year thing but it's been something on my radar that none of these cornerbacks have had a great transition sir tan seems like a unique guy in that he he knows the game so well maybe he could avoid that yeah for sure the cornerbacks spot you used to you don't hear about it so much anymore but it used to be if you if you get drafted as a

corner you can't cut it at corner we just move you to safety well safety is not nearly as valuable as a position at corner anymore the separation of value to me in those positions is is widened and so you know if you're if you're a bust of a corner as a first round pick even if you do move to safety and flourish a little bit it's it's not the same as having a guy who can lock down a big-time receiver on the outside, not nearly the same. Hey, Carbs, I want to get back to this draft and specifically some SEC sleepers, because I know that's your area of extreme expertise. But I do want to touch on the 2020 Alabama class.

And Tua, first and foremost, because there's so much speculation around him, how he's going to look in year two. and the dolphins are potentially putting him in a spot where he's going to have huge upgrades around him and an Alabama-type setup in terms of skill players, potentially. How did he look to you last year in Miami? And then I'm curious also about Rugs and Judy, who had very kind of up and down rookie years themselves. Yeah, they did for sure.

Two has struggled at times. There's no doubt about it. I think that club did get him weapons. Did you look healthy? Did he look healthy? Yeah, he did. He did. I'm not going to say the hip was was a problem for him necessarily. I think they just, they got to get more weapons in there for him. And it doesn't matter. If they're Alabama guys great. If it's somebody else, you know, if it's Cadarius Tony at Florida, whoever it is, get some people in there for them who can who can light up the secondary. I think you'll see a lot of improvement from him. Rugs and Judy were up and down for sure. Judy had a lot of drops with the Broncos. never, drops were never a problem for him at the college level. So that certainly surprised me.

He was never really on the same page. I don't think with Drew Locke. I saw one particular Broncos game late in the season where, where him and Locke just could not connect at all. Lots of frustration for sure on both ends of that. And Ruggs, you know, he just didn't, he just didn't get enough balls in his hands. And so I think he's got some developing to do himself.

But you could, you could still, there's flashes. of explosiveness with rugs that you can't deny. He had one game for the Raiders where he was two for 118. He had another game for the Raiders where he was three for 84. So he could get downfield if you can get the ball in his hand. With Tua, start going back to Tua there, I think one thing that jumped out to me was how much dink and dunk was in his game. And how much do you, like at Alabama, was he a guy that you believe saw as like a guy

was attacking downfield. And you think if they do surround him with the right guys, he changed. the way he played his game because he was not a lot of fun to watch last year, to be totally honest. Right, right. He can absolutely go downfield. He's got a lot of velocity on that arm. I think he's the most talented Alabama quarterback I've ever seen, frankly. So, you know, he doesn't like to check it down, but I think in Miami he probably had to, was told to was coached to, what have you. But, you know, there's there's no question the guy can push the ball down the field. The difference is, too, at Alabama, he could hit a slant or a screen or some kind of short pass to one of these four receivers we've been talking about, and that will turn into a 50-yard touchdown.

So he got a lot of big plays at Alabama through that. They had a couple of slant plays that nobody could stop. They were RPO plays, but they ate tons of yard as doing that kind of stuff. But in terms of zip on the ball and being able to thread a needle, you know, in the intermediate, in the interim. intermediate level, he can do that. They're so fascinating because in theory, they were in position. They still are at six to take another quarterback. Comparing him to Mack Jones.

Give me a couple comparisons. Him to Mac Jones, who do you think was a better prospect? I think they're probably more similar than people think. And Najee Harris compared to the running backs that have come out of Alabama lately. Because I'm wondering if any running backs get taken in the first round. There's a lot of buzz that the Steelers may take them, Harris, but it also seems possible that like no running backs go in the first round. Yeah, it could be.

I like, in terms of just straight talent, I like Tua more than Mac Jones. Jones had a great year and no doubt about it. Two is definitely the better athlete. I think Tua's got more zip on the ball. I think he's just as accurate. I think he makes decisions just as quick as Mac Jones. And so if I was grading him as prospects, I would have Tua higher than Jones for sure. Harris, you know, he's an interesting case.

He's not the fastest guy in the world, as productive as he was at Alabama. He didn't break a bunch of 50 and 60-yard runs at all. And he's an exciting player with some great athletic skills. But you really, I don't, in four years at all this time at Alabama, I'm not sure he broke a run more than 50 yards. And so, and he never ran a 40-yard dash, by the way. no combine. He didn't run the 40 at his pro day. He had an injury through the spring that he was kind of rehabbing a little bit. So I think that's a question for some clubs for sure, but the guy can catch the ball. He can go between the tackles. He can make people miss.

He's big for a guy who's so light on his feet. You know, he weighs 230 pounds. And in the open field, sometimes he looks like he weighs about 190. So tons of athleticism for sure. But not a game. game breaker. In the NFL, he won't get loose from his own 20 and put it in the end zone. He's not that fast. You know, Carbs, we haven't seen you since we lost our friend Wes. And when I think about Wes, and when it came to, you know, he maybe not have been the biggest college football guy of all time, but he was a tape watcher. And he was a lone wolf. Like the whole society would say, this player is looking great. And he'd tell you, no, he's not. And he'd be right so often. So I wonder if there's a guy out there that you're kind of a lone wolf on where, you know, the whole

college side and the draft nicks and all the stuff for saying we love or hate this guy and you just don't you feel differently and secondly like you guys were both big green egg fans like what is the perfect kind of big green egg um project for it maybe not the first night of the draft but like those that long weekend that follows these endless picks that go on for weeks time to cook something what would you be cooking yeah if i had the time it'd be it'd be a brisket but a brisket is just i'll answer the second question first. It's the more fun question. But brisket, I love to do it, but you got to babysit it for a long, long time, 10, 12 hours sometimes, probably not ideal because I'm actually going to be working during the draft. So in order to juggle NFL.com draft weekend duties and the grill, I'm thinking

something hot and fast, you know, stakes, something like that that can get done quick. As for an SEC sleeper, somebody I think, somebody I think, that Wes would have liked. I'll give you Seth Williams, a wide receiver from Auburn, who's probably going to be picked on the last day of the draft. I don't know why the guy's hands are unbelievable. He's unbelievable in traffic. He can make that back shoulder catch.

He's got great body control. You know, I don't know if he's the fastest guy in the world. Maybe that was the issue. I don't know what he ran, but Seth Williams is going to make some team a really fine And third day pick, I think. Anybody else in your SEC sleeper watch? I like Trey Smith, the offensive lineman from Tennessee. He's going to be a mid-round guy.

I think he's got a whole lot of potential. I thought he looked pretty good at the Senior Bowl down in Mobile. He's had some medical issues. He had some long issues, actually, that kept him off the field and hampered him early in his career. He got the medical clearances to get back on. the field for the Vols and was dominant pretty much the last couple of years. If you go back and watch 2019 tape of Tennessee against South Carolina, he handles, he handles the, slip in my mind, the defensive tackle from South Carolina that went

first round last year. Kenlaw? Kenlaw. Thank you. Thank you, Greg. He dominated Ken law for the most part. in 2019. If you go back and look at Ken Law's last year at South Carolina, which was 19, nobody blocked him like Smith did. That's why they call him Chase Good Bread.

Well, his mom called him Chase Goodbris. She gave him the name. We call them carbs. And you always deliver the goodness carbs. And we hope to see you down the line. We've all been separated for all long, far too long now. So whenever we do see you again, And perhaps we will celebrate over a big green egg or something. Who knows? Looking forward to it, fellas. Take it easy. All right, there he goes.

Good information. See, we have these sparrows that are helping us out. Land Zero Line yesterday, Chase Good Bread. Today, tomorrow we have a special guest, someone that has a lot of skin in the game, I'll say, when it comes to college football. And that person will be able to hopefully give us some information. information. I want to touch on something that just kind of a follow-up point before we say goodbye. And again, remember the Mark Sessler mock draft. I want to touch on that as well is coming up tomorrow. We were nominated, of course, for a Cyclops Award. And a lot of people wanted to

know whether we came out on top. I believe it's actually the Synopsis Award. Award. I don't know. I have no idea, actually. And we were not nominated in the Innovators and Disruptors category. I was fine with that. But best podcast series felt like a lock for us. I mean, we got a nice little show here. But we didn't win.

They gave it to Chris Russo, of all people. Digging up the past with Chris Russo. I don't know what that is. And so we take another L, and it is starting to feel like with these awards. And we are, of course, best new sports podcast, Apple podcast, 2013, got that in our back pocket. We got the, what's the award that was stolen by our producer? Spotify or something? Stitcher.

Stitcher. Stitcher. Yeah, yeah. Not the current producer. But now it's starting a bit of a mark a Susan Lucci thing going on for us. And I just, I don't think it's right. I don't think it's fair. I think we got a nice little show here.

And it's time to start getting some hardware and be rewarded for it. Well, the one thing I'd say is I don't, it doesn't sting as much for me to lose to a friend of the show, but a childhood hero. I don't know if we talked about this a billion times. I don't know if we'd be here if it weren't for Chris Rousseau. Does Rousseau even know that he won the Cyclops? That's, I guess, my issue. Well, I wouldn't be sure of that. I mean, I would suggest he maybe someone told him and he thought great and, you know, moved on with his day.

We might have been a little more zeroed in, but, you know, it irritates me on other levels. I will think about it, but I don't know how to, Greg, help me out here. I'm not sure what. Greg doesn't care. But it matters very much. I'm rewatching the last dance right now. When was it? It happened a few days back.

I was rewatching the last dance, the Jordan Dock. And it's like when BJ Armstrong hit a dagger shot and the Hornets beat the bowl. and game one of like the 98 Eastern Conference semifinals. And then Jordan's like, oh, I'm just going to ruin your life now. I have that in me when it comes to these awards shows. In fact, I declare vengeance on the entire awards industry related to the podcast. I just think it's time to stop being Mr. Nice Guy. And maybe we start getting some trophies.

Well, yeah, the money drop today was, you know, that we're filled with upside. But our track record would show we're a little. more like the um what what's your guy's name landin dickerson uh of this draft like we got how dare you got a lot of hardware early you know but we're just kind of plugging along right now you know not getting landin dickerson is going to make someone very happy a team very happy a rock solid man in the pivot great leadership great player i am tracking him hard i'm going to actually check in on landin um uh wait did he go to albama did i'm whiff on asking chase about Landon Dickerson? Oh, no. I actually, you know what? Because I was organized, we organize our questions, unless you're some sort of savant maybe, but I'd like to, you know, know, know what I'm asking carbs ahead of time. And I decided to not even touch Landon Dickerson. I assumed that Dan, you would have like three or four of questions about his personhood.

Brutal. I'm going to hit him up privately on Landon Dickerson, who's my favorite. We could call him back right now. I mean, after Zach Wilson, he's the only guy that I'm really tracking in this trap. He's in my draft in 40 roundup. In my mock, I have the Jets taking Dickerson, Landon Dickerson, at number two, so you can be sure that you get your guy. Don't worry. So this is, and yeah, so that's what's going on, vengeance declared on the awards industry. I'm not being a nice guy about it anymore.

I'm demanding. We demand to be taken seriously. That's my message to the award industry. And Mark, I know you demand to be taken seriously in the mock draft game. And I've noticed this. There's a little bit of an edginess with Greg toward your mock draft, almost like he's trying to kind of deflate it a little bit. And I want to say, I personally, I'm not comfortable with it

because I know it sneaky does mean a lot to you to be accepted industry-wise as a serious football man. I think when you rise up in an industry, you're going to experience a wide range of emotions from the people around you. So, you know, I think Greg is watching someone that he works with take off like a rocket into the draft space. And I think that's uncomfortable for him because probably he thinks I should be the one, I'm Greg, I should be the one doing the mock draft. Why is this clown mark, you know, in charge of this area? But, you know, I got there first.

And it's not just getting there first, Greg. It's excelling at it. I did a marvelous job last year and I plan to absolutely blow the community away with what I prepare for you this time around. No, I'm with you, Mark. I mean, I think you looked around the football landscape and you saw a need, you know what I mean?

You saw like a hole in the marketplace in 2019. You were like, this needs another Mark draft. This is like a mock draft, you know, during draft week. We need another one. I'll just say one thing, Mark, just because I don't want you to, because I know you have a lot on your plate already, and I don't want you to have more anxiety ahead of the mock draft reveal tomorrow on the around the NFL podcast.

But just because you got there first doesn't mean you're safe because Greg just ran up a column a couple weeks ago called Power Rankings, which was a little shot across my bow. So just know that there could be a Rosenthal mock draft material. There will never be another. There will never be another Rosenthalov mock draft. No, that's instructive, Dan. Thank you. I will. I'll, I'll mull that. All right. Good stuff.

Big show coming up tomorrow. You heard it. We've been teasing it. Thank you to Chase Goodbread. One more show tomorrow ahead of the draft. And then we dig in with a big Thursday night show. So make sure you tune in all week because we got this thing covered. We got it unlocked. They don't give us trophies. But really the only trophy we need is you, the listeners, coming back every show. not true. I want the physical manifestation. Right. That's just assumed. Yes. Um, all right. This is Dan Hans

signing up for Quiet Storm. The old boss. Ricky Hollywood Prime of Virtual Glass. Until Wednesday, keep the call. I'm going to be able to be. This is an IHeart podcast.