NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Draft Winners and Losers

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by SB Nation's JP Acosta to give you their winners and losers of the 2025 NFL Draft. They tell you why there are several losers in the Shedeur Sanders saga (01:25), why second year quarterbacks are winners (13:50), why the Panthers are winners (22:14), why running backs and tight ends are winners (28:26), why Gregg is a loser (33:20), why the Eagles are winners (38:50), why the Jaguars are winners (54:24) and more!  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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JP, I know you have been grinding all draft season, all draft weekend. Welcome to the show. Glad to have you. Thank you for having me. It has been, it was a really interesting draft. I knew coming in that there would be some fireworks, but I did not expect this amount of just like everything everywhere. It's like that movie, Everything Everywhere all at once. That's what it felt like.

for this draft. Yeah, I hear you. And I open the show referencing Jacks Ulbrook. If you don't know that story, we'll get to it in a second. But yeah, JP is one of the best in the game. He said he's already going to be looking at some 2026 prospects once he takes his mind off things for a couple of weeks. But he goes really deep. So check out all this stuff at SB Nation. But let's just get into it. Today's going to be simple. I just want to do winners, losers from the draft. It can be people. It can be positions, teams, whatever you want. And we last left off on NFL. NFL daily after night two of the draft wondering where Shudor Sanders is going to go. So I'm just going to start there with some losers.

I have way more winners than losers. That's how it should be on draft weekend. But I am going to start with the losers. And the losers isn't Shadur in this scenario. It's Andrew Berry, the Browns GM, who looked like disappointed when he made that fifth round pick and people are throwing out some of the quotes that he made in terms of of Shudder Sanders not necessarily being a great fit for the Browns or hinting at that after his Friday morning.

Friday night presser. So Andrew Barry is in that mix. Mel Kiper, I would say, is in that mix for just kind of losing his marbles and looking bad because his number five overall player didn't get drafted and losing his cool. Just calm down Mel Kiper. And then the Atlanta Falcons, I want to at least get to that, but let's talk about the football of it all because I feel like maybe Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett are losers here too because it's just such a strange Cleveland Browns quarterback room to review. It is Flacco. It is Kenny Pickett. It is Gabriel, who's drafted on Wednesday night, and it's now Shadur Sanders taken in the fifth round. What did you think when Shadur Sanders was taken by Cleveland? In a way, I actually have one of my losers is Dylan Gabriel.

Because imagine being the quarterback drafted before Shadur Sanders on the same team, then going and checking the Cleveland Brown social media page, and it's full of Sodor Sanders. You probably got one post in there. It's very much like the SpongeBob meme where they hold Squidward out and everybody starts booing and throwing tomatoes. And then they hold SpongeBob out and everybody starts cheering. It feels like that. So I just, for me, when it comes to the whole Shador thing, I actually, I thought he was going to go early. I had him graded as a late first, early second. prospect of him falling out of the first round didn't surprise me that much

but then as you start to get into day two and then into day three and you start to hear more and more of what was being said about Chador when it comes to interviews specifically after the Giants took Jackson Dart and what Brian Dayball had said about being a leader when the helmet comes off all the locker room stuff

it just everything felt kind of like oh so maybe he really did flunk these interviews, but the Browns in this situation, everything has been created to a point where this entire QB room, I don't think anybody really wins. Like Joe Flacco was right. That's why I started off with losers because it sucks for Shador, but it does feel like everyone's kind of losing in this scenario. I don't know who the winners are. Yeah, I mean, I guess, I don't even know if you could say a winner is anybody else on the team because you don't know who's going to be throwing you the ball. I mean, if you want to say

Chador comes out as a winner in this somehow, I can see that vision because you're a fifth round pick. You have nothing to lose at this point. If you if you're as good as everybody thinks you are and as you think you are, you should probably

have that starting job by mid season. But it just feels like everything is set up for the Browns to fall completely flat on their face. And it just does, it feels like there's so many cameras on this situation that don't need to be on the Brown's QB room for a whole lot of reasons. Right. The graphic that they brought up on NFL network where it said that the Brown's current QB room and it was the four names I mentioned plus the Sean Watson was like, I was like save onto my phone just because like that's, I feel like that's one that's going to be useful in a couple of years.

That is just such an insane picture. And it's why the Browns, I feel like are an unfortunate. spot for him because they don't get the benefit of the doubt. And that's why when you see Andrew Barry and Kevin Stavancy, not exactly looking thrilled. I mean, Andrew Barry kind of has that face. He has resting Andrew Barry face all the time. So I don't know if it's that he's just not fired up. But when you've heard that this ownership group has gotten involved in quarterback decisions before and it's been reported out, it's hard not to think that that's what happened here again because he did it with Deshaun Watson and Jimmy Haslam, their

owner, basically went public almost as a mea culpa and took responsibility for the Watson signing and maybe that's why Andrew Barry still has his job and that's why Kevin Sifansky is still there, his two coaches of the year with these other awful seasons. If you're looking for one bright

spot for Shador Sanders, I did think going into the process that he could fit that system and I do think Kevin Sfansky is a good quarterback coach and I do think Shadurr Sanders is more talented than Dylan Gabriel, certainly, and that they're going to get rid of Kenny Pickett or Joe Flacco, I don't know which one.

Maybe it'll be Pickett. I mean, you can't bring all those guys into camp, can you? It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And so maybe long term, they can figure it out there, but it's the Browns. And so you just wish the Steelers had taken him, Frank. At least that's what I was wishing going into day three. I actually would put the Steelers as a little bit of a loser here.

I know the idea that you wouldn't want the distraction of it all. And I know the quarterback room of Aaron Rogers and Shudur Sanders doesn't make that much sense. And I don't believe that Shudor Sanders is some exceptional talent that warranted all this attention. It was what was, you know, his last name and everything that comes with him and everything that he did to help change

college football the last four years is why he got so much attention. That said, they need a quarterback. And I think you should be taking swings every single time. And they end up with Will Howard in the sixth round. But to me, Sanders graded out as a better prospect was worth taking a shot on just to see even if it's for a year or two. Yeah, I just, for the Browns,

I also don't really understand the process of drafting Dylan Gabriel in the third round, then drafting Shador in the fifth, because if the whole entire plan is for Dylan Gabriel to end up not on the team, then you just sunk a third round pick on a guy who won't make the 53 man roster come to the regular season. And then if Shador doesn't make the team, you just brought a whole lot of scrutiny and a whole lot of lights

on this QB room. Now, Kenny Pickett or Joe Flacko's not making this team. I got to look at the guaranteed money. But one of those guys is getting booted off the island and the two rookies are going to be on it. That's what I would expect. Yeah, I would think it'd be Kenny Pickett because it would really suck for them to bring in

like Joe Flacco again and be like, hey, bud, you go ahead and sit down while we start Dylan Gabriel and Chodor Sanders for the rest of the year and you end up off the team. But I think to your point about the Steelers, it's funny because I kind of had a winner as Aaron Rogers because he's going to end up getting what he wants. He wants to be on the Steelers.

He also wants all the attention to be on him being on the Steelers. Shador Sanders is on that team. Aaron Rogers does not want the attention on Shador Sanders and not himself. He wants to be the guy, you know. So I think he's going to end up winning this. I don't know if you want to call a Cold War against the Steelers. I don't know if you want to call it like a Will. will they won't they? Because it feels like they will. It's just about, okay, we're going to give the

draft like a week to end. And then Aaron Rogers is going to come on and be like, hey guys, I'm back. I'm signing with the Steelers. Yeah, the plan to go back to what you said about the Browns and like what was the plan. Well, the plan was they liked Dylan Gabriel better, the coach and the GM. And then the plan got blown up because I think ownership got involved. And if he didn't, they just thought the value it was good enough. And when it comes to Rogers, look, the only person that's talked openly in this scenario is ownership because he can. Art Rooney. And he expects Aaron Rogers to be on the Steelers. So I do too. And you're right, Will Howard from Ohio State, who I was a little surprised actually fell to the sixth round. There was some buzz. And that's

why you got to be careful of the buzz. There was some buzz before the draft that there were. Some of the McVeigh teams liked him in apparently not too much because he ends up going to the sixth round. The ultimate loser, though, and we'll move on from Chador, is the Atlanta Falcons. In the most Atlanta Falcons thing of all time. Jacks Ulbrook, who is the son of their defensive coordinator, Jeff Oldbrick, was found to be the person who prank called Shudder Sanders. The video is out there because, you know, Shudder is getting, you know, videotaped throughout the process for social media and for whatever else is going on with an Amazon

crew that you could see in there. And it's just such a move, like such an unfair, like mean thing that. he was getting prank called and sounds like he wasn't the only one. Tyler Warren has reported to have taken a prank call as well. An unnamed other prospect who was drafted was prank called and told that he was traded afterwards. It's unclear if the others are from Jack Sulbrook. But the Atlanta Falcons released a statement. And they said the Atlanta Falcons do not condone this behavior. They send their sincere apologies to Shadir Sanders. And they've been in contact with the NFL and will continue to cooperate fully with any inquiries we may receive from the NFL.

league office. I mean, what an embarrassing story for everyone. I wouldn't be, I would be surprised if the Falcons aren't punished for this. I don't know if they're going to lose a draft pick. They're certainly going to lose some money. What the statement said was that, you know, the number that Sanders was on was on a private email that only NFL employees had and Jeff Ulbrook left it open and his son got a handle on it. And just a brutal dad moment if you're Jeff Obrick, like his son is 21 years old. In the apology that Jack Zolbrick sent out privately or through his social media, like he misspelled Shadur Sanders' name and it looked like it was written by AI. If you literally put it in that, there's a way to check or ask if something's

been written by AI. It says 100%. It's been written by, who knows if that's like true or not. But either way, it's just, it just sucks. And it's also the most Atlanta Falcons thing ever. or getting involved in something you have nothing to do with and bringing great shame on your organization. Give me a break. I actually posted this on Blue Sky after the news that come out. And I was like somehow every chaotic or bat-shin insane story in NFL history has something to do with the Atlanta Falcons.

I think they are the anchor being for the NFL. You have to have Atlanta Falcons insanity for anything to actually happen. It doesn't make any sense for anybody here. If you're Jeff Ulrich, and I know you trust your son, obviously, you're going to leave the iPad unlocked your work computer, your work technology unlocked around the house. I mean, you got to think pretty low of your 21-year-old son to think he's got to be snooping on your iPad and prank call and kids.

And he should think low of his son. And that's what I mean, low dad moment. I mean, look, there can be lower. This wasn't like a federal crime. or anything, but it's incredibly embarrassing. It's going to be costly for the Falcons too. Yeah, it's going to be brutal. I think for everybody involved, like you said,

it just brings unwarranted attention again to an Atlanta Falcons team who already does not want a lot of attention on what they did in the draft. Right. They're another one of the losers. I do want to get to positive things, but that James Pierce trade giving up next year's first made no sense to me from Terry Fontenow,

just acting desperate, needing to fix a defense this year because you're worried about losing your job. So, yeah, throw in the Falcons as double losers here. Yeah, it just, it doesn't make sense partially because they said they wanted to draft James Pierce at 15, which is like, whoa, okay, all right then, sure. So you draft Jalen Walker, who was a better player. And then you feel the need to desperately go back up and get the guy by trading a future first.

I don't think the Giants traded the future first to go get Jackson Dart. no they didn't they traded a couple thirds this just feels like you said it feels like the falcons are making incredibly desperate moves to try and go like be legitimate this year to try and save everybody's job right it's a it's a tough place to be and look i think they're they're set up to be a competitive team so i don't think that's going to be a top five pick or anything like that but you never know and the Rams have something to root for this season, which is the Falcons to lose every game. All right, give me one of your winners.

One of my winners is actually the second year starting quarterback group. That's Jane Daniels, Caleb Williams, Drake May. I think each of their teams did a really good job of, okay, we have a guy. We know we have a guy. Let's go all in and try and see if we can get the most out of them. In Caleb Williams case, you draft Colston Loveland at 10, which my friend Corey Cannon had actually kind of done some work and it's like this Mac actually makes a lot of sense

and has a better fit over Tyler Warren because of what Colston Loveland brings as a receiver downfield. And I think that's something that the Bears kind of missed. They missed a lot in their offense last season, but that explosive element in their offense and then going back and adding Luther Bird in the third in the second round, which I think was a really good pickup for what Ben Johnson's offense wants to be,

which is just doing all this work after the cat, all the explosive stuff in the short yardage game. I think that Luther Burden can do that a lot. But now it is on Caleb Williams to take that next step and use all these weapons, all these tools. You have a first round picking Roman Dunez. You have a first round picking Colson Love one, high second in Burden, heavily invested in DJ Moore.

It feels like they are properly investing around him to try and get the most out of them. Yeah. The whole offseason is about improving their offense. They're trying to score 30 plus points a game, just like the Detroit Lions did with Ben Johnson, partly because the defense is in much better shape in terms of their roster, not that they've totally ignored it this offseason. But I love that. I will always believe they were going to draft Trayvion Henderson if the Patriots didn't right ahead of them, but we'll never know that. Were you a burdened guy? Because to me, he was a tough evaluation, which I tended to be on the side of is too risky for me.

But now that you see that he's with Ben Johnson, you feel like, okay, he's going to have the vision and the plan for him. He probably wasn't for every team, but now I can see him having success. I'm curious what you thought about Burton. So if you count Travis Hunter as a wide receiver, Luther Burden was my wide receiver for behind McMillan, behind Emeka, and then behind Travis Hunter.

I think if you look at 2023 Luther Burden, I think that would make you think, oh yeah, this guy is amazing, inside, outside, explosive threat. But 2024, I feel like all of his best work came from out the slot, which is really what I'm worried about if you're going to draft a guy early as a slot only guy. I'd wonder how effective he can be. But in the Browns off, not the Browns, in the Bears offense, where you have DJ Moore and Roma Dunezay taking all the snaps outside, you can essentially become the designated jet sweep.

You can do the designer stuff, like the end around. You can do some of this stuff after the catch that they really were missing, which is what Luther Burden does best, that explosive ability after the catch. Right. I believe he'll be able to do that right away. I wasn't sure if he, like,

had the threshold of special enough as an explosive athlete. We will see to make up for how raw and maybe not complete he was as a receiver compared to some other guys. I see that you had him above like Tett and heck, I had Kyle Williams ahead of him. But now it's all about development.

Jameson Williams had some things he was a little raw at too and I think he eventually has developed more of his game and so I kind of have confidence in that coaching step to help Luther Burden develop I mean he doesn't have a bad mentor in terms of play style with DJ Moore right on the roster so I'm with you that was awesome and it makes me more excited to watch the Bears and yeah you mentioned the Pats like just going heavy off

and they did what they had to do in terms of going offense offense offense off the top and I talked about those pickups on Friday night show, so I'm not going to repeat myself. But I do like the idea that I still think they didn't reach, they didn't have to reach for value. Will Campbell, I wasn't in love with, but obviously some other people disagree with that. And I don't think they had to reach to get Treveon and Kyle Williams. So you have some explosive elements to the offense. And I kind of like the, it's off your winner's topic, but I like some of their day three pickups too on defense. Joshua Farmer, Brayden Swinson. Those are guys that to me were kind of home run tries for a day three

pick. Yeah, I think the Patriots, what they did really well when it comes to Drake May was they started adding compliments to their offense. Kyle Williams can create separation instantly. That is something that they did not have on the roster already outside of Stefan Diggs, who was older, coming off a tour in ACL. They have somebody who's a little younger who can create that separation to kind of compliment Jalen Polk's kind of power slot like Z receiver. I mean, Jalen Polk's got to get on the field, man. I'm not sure he's in their top four receivers as of today, at least as of right now.

He's got to get on the field, but I think adding Will Campbell is just, it's solid, you know, I don't think it was fantastic. I think he was my top offensive lineman, but I also thought he was a guard. Right.

And I think for the Patriots, starting him at guard, or not guard, starting him at tackle, I think it's just trying to get your best five out there. I think Laydon Robinson is viewed highly within the Pat's organization as being their left guard of the future.

So you're hoping that adding Campbell, will help out a lot. Also, he said he's willing to, like, fight and die to protect Drake May. And I just think off grip. Like, I'm like, okay, I think this is going to be a home run pick, but I think Trayvion Henderson is, I think a lot of it was an identity-based draft. We know what we want to be. We know what we want to do. And I think Trayvon Henderson is a great example of that because they're trying to be explosive when they get the ball in their hand. It's not exactly going to be all these super, like, downfield stuff. And I think Mike Vrable had an interview early after he got the job with the Patriots, where he was talking about how effective it is to win with

yards after the catch in the NFL right now. And I think with what they did in the draft, it makes a whole lot sense that they went that way. Trayvon Henderson is going to be an offensive coordinator's best friend with the way that he blocks, the way that he can create explosives, both as a runner and as a receiver. I think sometimes his vision kind of comes and goes, but in a gap scheme offense where you can get him downhill early, I think it's going to look really cool. I think they'll be fun to watch. And you mentioned the second year QBs.

Right near the top of my winners this weekend was J.J. McCarthy. So, you know, he didn't get on the field last year. But I think you look at their first round pick, it felt like Landon Jackson was kind of like the last best offensive linemen that they could have gotten. I don't think the board broke well for them in general. They probably would have liked to have more options at that pick. But it felt like Landon Jackson at guard shores up a spot. And it just continues the offseason of improving their offensive.

line. And then they take Ty Felton from Maryland, the wide receiver, who you mentioned yards after the catch, late in third round, like big time speed gives them a chance to have a third slash fourth receiver that can make some yards after catch and some short throws while you have Addison and JJ going deep and hopefully develop into more. And then he's one of my winners too, McCarthy, because of the trade for Sam Howell, they give up basically a trade down to get Sam Howell, which was about what I figured the price would be for him, just something that Seattle could get for him. And they did get something.

And that's ideal if you're J.J. McCarthy. Aaron Rogers isn't coming in. Someone that was more competition isn't coming in. You have your veteran in the room that just can help you out. But not same how. Who am I forgetting that is also there that is not competition? I'm forgetting about old Brett Rippin, who is kind of in.

that mold. I'm not even joking that like they signed him because they're like, we like him in the room with our young guy. He's that type of guy, whether he makes a team or not. But for the offseason, it's Brett ripping. So to me, it's just JJ's world. It's JJ's team. They spent the whole offseason kind of like the Patriots did and the Bears did quietly just trying to make the world better for JJ McCarthy on the offensive line. And now I do like adding a receiver because it didn't seem like it's a huge need for them, but Jalen Naylor's in the last year of his contract, long term you can upgrade there.

Jordan Addison, you know, is he going to get a second contract there? Who knows, always want to be replenishing. And I just thought it was good for McCarthy. Give me another winner that you like. Another winner that I liked is the Carolina Panthers. I think top and bottom, they had one of my favorite drafts of the entire draft class. I think starting off with Tederoa McMillan at 8,

I kind of had a feeling that it would go this way, where you get the big body receiver who can create separation in short-to-intermediate areas, which is where Bryce Young's hot zone is as a passer. He's not a downfield guy. He is a, I'm not going to say singles and doubles, but he's more of a, he's an efficient point guard of an offense. We want a guy who can create separation early. That is what Tederoa and McMillan do.

I think he gets kind of typecasted for being six-four as being this big jump ball guy, and he can do that, but that's not his most effective area. So adding him to kind of compliment Xavier Leggett, who kind of, he kind of does the, we're going to do the Christian Watson thing where he's going to run along the X and Y axis, where he only runs down field fast or like across the field fast. And then Jalen Koker, they just signed Hunter Renfro and they still have Adam Thielen, which kind of feels like they do the same thing in terms of short and underneath stuff. Oh, man, you're, come on. You're your profile in here. man, Adam Thieland's making plays down the field. He's winning contested catches right now.

I couldn't believe how well Adam Thielen played last year. I hear what you're saying. I just was like, man, Adam Thieland was good last year. So I'm just saying don't diminish him by putting him with Hunter Renfro, who wasn't in the last year. I will say Adam Thielen had a much better year than I thought he would at his age. But I actually think they did a really good job on days two and three. I love what they did with adding Nick Scorton, training him back up for him and then going adding Prince Liam me Ellen because they're both very complimentary. I was a big fan of Nick

Scorton entering the season, added on a lot of really bad weight to play in Texas A&M's defense, which does that tight, mint front where they have their guy, their defensive ends, their edge prospects, playing four-eye at like 285, 290 pounds, which is why Shamar Stewart and Nick Scorton both look a step slow. But then you go on Adam on Mielandh, who is a bit more of a bendy, a bit more of a pass rusher. So you have guys already in the roster like Jadavian Clowny, you have DJ Wanham, you have Pat Jones, all of these thumpers, you have these hammers to kind of stop the run early and you add Scorton and Numami Ellen, who can be sort of the pastoral's compliments to that. But then on day three, adding Cam Jackson,

who is massive, but I think is going to be a help in the run defense. Trevor E.T.N. is a really nice value on day three. My favorite pick of theirs is Mitchell Evans on day three, who I think is going to be a better pro than he is a college athlete. He got hurt in 2023. He kind of was... Notre Dame had a really weird passing offense this year. But I think what they did in terms of maximizing their young quarterback while also hammering down on what they've wanted to be on defense,

which is we want to load up to try and stop the run. And I think that's admirable. And it's a good amount of knowledge of who you are and what you want to be. Well, yeah, they were one of the worst run defenses of all time. It was, like, embarrassing to watch them. They took big swings. Like, Princeley, that's a big swing. He could be, I'm not going to say it's boom or bust when it's a third round pick,

but he has a chance to really out, you know, rank that draft slot. And his conversation, did you hear it, by the way, with when they called them, oh, man, it was amazing. He didn't sound that excited. And so they asked him, why, you know, why don't you sound that excited? I think it was David Teper who asked him. And he was just like, why did you take so long? Why do y'all, you know, he was upset that it didn't, he didn't get drafted.

And then a couple other people got out there. Like, you're excited, you're excited. And eventually he got to the point where he said, I'm going to come after y'all's pockets in four years. And I was like, yes, I love that. I love that. Just like, but a guy who is a pure pass stresher, I like that shout out. Yeah, while we're on day three, I'm going to do Cam Scataboo as a winner.

If you're going to land in a spot where you're looking to get some carries, not to mention endorsements, New York Giants, baby. Tyrone Tracy was good last year, and I know Singletary is still there. I was like MJD coming into this draft. I thought Scataboo could work at the NFL level. He had him ranked third among all running backs, which was a little next level. He's obviously going to have to figure things out in pass pro.

But I actually do think his, style will work at the NFL level as like a useful fun player. And so you take him in the fourth round. I think it's a nice spot for him to actually get some work. I think their offensive line is a little underrated. And I'm looking forward to just like New York eating him up. So that was a good spot for Scadaboo. Yeah, I think it's perfect, especially with how he compliments Tyrone Tracy, whereas Tracy is a little bit more explosive, a little electric outside the tackles. Cam Scadaboo is going to be the guy who just basically does what he does at Arizona State, which is just grind people between the tackles.

I think he, I think he, my question for him is how many hits can he take at the NFL level? Because he doesn't exactly like, he's not trying to be shifty around guys. He's going to try and run people over, which is incredible, admirable. But incredible balance, incredible balance and pretty good in the passing game, at least as a receiver, he'll have to figure out the blocking part of it. Yeah, I think he adds a lot of value. as a receiver. And I think for what they needed in terms of just hammering guys between the tackles, I think it makes a lot of sense. And like you said, it's New York. I think he's going to

fit perfectly. I think everybody's going to love him there because he's just going to run really, really hard behind that offensive line. And I think Brian Dayball is going to include a lot more QB run game, which he has always done. But that run game has a chance to be pretty fun. And I think Skadroo is going to be a really big part of that. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back after with some more winners and losers. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Back on NFL Daily. And yeah, we were talking Camp Scadaboo before the break. He was kind of part of a larger trend. The running backs, they're winners. Tight ends are winners, like these forgotten positions. So four running backs in the top 37, JP, and then 12 in the first four rounds. Scadaboo went ahead of some good names, by the way, at running back.

But everyone had their favorite flavors. And then you look at the tight ends, five in the top 50. And then Harold Fanon Jr. went at the top of the third round, too. So I think teams just went where the good players were this year and they were just were more good players at running back in tight end. But I do think we're back not all the way to where running backs were, but more to maybe like late aughts where, okay, it's like no one thought it was crazy that Omari and Hampton went, you know, early 20s and that four go in the top 37. No one's like screaming reach. Like we've reached a nice balance where if you're a great football player, like you get rewarded. So running backs, tight ends, we're back, baby.

Yeah, it feels a little bit like schematically, the NFL has kind of, I've always said football is cyclical. The things that used to be popular will always come back and be popular again later. And I think where we're at now is because everybody's gotten so much smaller on defense playing so much lighter boxes to defend all the outside zone that Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVey and every other Sanahan and McVey coach in the league wants to do, teams got lighter, teams got smaller. But now we're starting to see the punch back by the offense is just hit somebody really hard with a 320-pound guard. In Gap scheme, you saw the best offenses in the NFL last year kind of majored in some of that gap, the power counter. The bills ran everybody over with duo. And so I think having running backs who can kind of do that work between the tackles, you saw with Quinn Sean Judkins going ahead of Trayvon Henderson, which I was a little surprised about, but it's because of the work between the tackles. and I think that's something that's coming back

and I think it also was a reflection of the strength of the class. We said coming in, running backs and tight ends were a really big strength in this class and it was reflected in how the NFL viewed them. Right. And you just need big plays and I think teams are recognizing you can get it from your running backs like Hampton, Travion, Henderson,

you're just sick of these 9, 10 play drives. You get guys like that, you get tight ends who can have yak ability, even like Fanon Jr., but certainly like Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland and those can be big playmakers too so I like that I haven't heard a loser from you let's do that give me a loser

I hate to say they're a full loser because I kind of like what they did but the Saints quarterback situation gets a loser from me because nothing about this seems very hopeful before the draft with the Derek Carr thing with the shoulder

feels kind of mysterious and kind of like oh that kind of is random drop to add a couple months before the draft. Okay, Tyler Shuck in round two, I came around to Shuck late in the process. I kind of think he's more of just like a high value backup, maybe spot starter, because again, you're getting a guy who's going to be 26 when the season starts and has a litany of injuries. And then you have Spencer Rattler who has something, but also kind of weird. So nothing about

the Saints' quarterback situation is very inspiring for the first year of the Kellyn Moore regime, which also kind of makes me think that they're one of the teams along with the Browns that are kind of just like,

all right, we're just going to punt on this season at quarterback because Doug Nussimai. But they just took one 40th overall, JP. I hear you, but,

and I actually think you're right. That is maybe what they're thinking, partly, but they got to get one for, but that means they just drafted a bridge quarter. quarterback 40th overall. It really is, it really cracks me up, though, that he is like prospect, poor man. He's like post-prime Derrick Carr as a prospect because he just doesn't do well under

pressure. You know, the only positive I'll say here is that Kellyn Moore got his guy. I have seen no evidence since Kellyn Moore has been in that building that he's involved with the team. It just feels like the same organization in terms of how it's run as it happened before Kellynne Moore got there. And it is because it's the same front office. Not only has Mickey Loomis been there forever, but Jeff Ireland has been there forever. He's probably the one making these picks, very key to them. The front office in general, like everyone's been there since like early in the Sean Payton days. And I at least feel like they must have just taken Kellyn Moore's guy. And it does kind of make sense to me that he, like he was,

this is the quarterback that Kellyn Moore wanted. So at least Kellyn Moore got his guy, go make it work. Prove us wrong. Kellynmore. All right, while we're on losers, what should I go with? How about me for writing about, I do this every year, like before the draft, get really excited, do a whole show on it, put like a tweet out, but all the possible veteran trades that are been out there. And I even put, I put Jalen Ramsey, Kirk Cousins, and Jire, Alexander into a category of likely to be traded. Nope, not a one of them. The only one we got was Sam Howell. It's never as fun as you think. It's usually not this draw. I think more trades could still happen.

Mark Andrews, for instance, the Raven said, no, he's going to be with us. They said it. Trey Hendrickson, there's no reason to think that's going to happen. At this point, because of how the draft fell for the Jags, although they did get one late. Who did they take late? You'll know this.

The Jags, oh, they took Byshal Tutin and LeQuint Allen. Okay, so maybe they still could trade Travis Higian. All we got to was how, Dallas Goddard is still an eagle. But I'm a loser, and all of us content makers are losers for thinking that these trades are going to happen. Let's actually listen to Howie Roseman after the draft asked about Dallas Goddard. You know, Dallas is part of the team, you know,

as we speak, obviously as we go forward, we're going to continue to address things on this team and right now nothing further. Dallas is a heck of a player, heck of a player, heck of a person. You know, certainly don't want to do anything publicly where we're discussing anyone's business, but have so much respect for him. you know, been to two Super Bowls together

and, you know, obviously we'd love him on this team. You know, you always love having Dallas on this team. But we're not there right now on any of that. But love Dallas-Gotter. Hmm. The longer I listen to that, more I thought, first I thought, oh, well, they still are going to maybe trade Dallas-Codder. And then the longer he kept talking,

I was like, they're trying to change his contract in some way. And he's not trying to put. put his business out there too much in public, but my guess would be they're negotiating some sort of pay cut. And there is a chance that some of these players, Jalen Ramsey specifically, Jeyer Alexander's as well, that I do think won't be on the team starting week one, but they're still out there. It didn't happen during the draft. Yeah, I was one of those people who said Jalen Ramsey was probably going to get traded during this draft. My youngest brother is a Dolphins fan. And so he kept asking me like, hey, what should I expect during the draft?

And I kept telling him, hey, Jalen Ramsey's probably not going to be on your team later. So he was watching the draft just like sweating bullets. Then after the draft ended, he's like, I thought Jalen Ramsey is going to get traded. And I'm like, yep, hand up. That's my bad. I mean, Jailen Ramsey thought he was got to get traded too. And I don't know. We'll see.

I do think it will happen. But maybe this is the Dolphin slow playing it and saying, like, actually, if we can't get anything for you this year, forget it. Give me a winner. One of my winners, actually, is John Schneider and the Seattle Seahawks. Okay. I had said for the longest, I would believe John Schneider drafting an interior offensive lineman in the first round when I saw it. And then he went out and did it.

And I was like, oh, okay. I think what Schneider did and what I'm really liking about the Seahawks drafting is they took a whole lot of swings on elite athletes. And I think a guy like Gray Zabel, who can play guard or center, I think he's probably going to play center in the NFL, but I think his movement skills at that pivot point when you think about like Clint Kubiak in the outside zone offense makes a lot of sense. And then, you know, you add like Eman Worry, you add Jalen Milrow into that, and you just feel like some of the stuff that John Schneider has said about this drive class and how excited

he gets, specifically talking about Jalen Milro, kind of made me want to put loser as Sam Darnold somehow still in this because you go to a place thinking you're going to be the long-term starter and then they go and draft the guy that the dude just lights up talking about him. It's kind of weird. I didn't put him as a loser for like he's going to make a lot of money, but I think Snyder and the Seahawks really went back to the well of just drafting elite athletes and it makes a lot of sense for them. So the stat from our friends at NextGen is insane.

They took a league high four players with an NGS athleticism score of 85 or higher. Their first four picks had an average score. And their first four picks, Grace Abel, as you mentioned, a freak, Emin Worry, extra freak. Elijah Arroyo, very athletic, the tight end for Miami, and then Milro, who's in 99, had an average of 91. The highest by any team in the draft since 2003. So this is the most athletic draft class since 2003 for the first two days. And I'm with you. I think they're excited about what they can.

can do with Milrow as a complimentary offensive weapon type piece as a rookie. Look, if Sam Darnold plays the way that he wants to play like he did last year, he will end up being there long term. But he knows he's there on a one-year deal, essentially, and he'll have to make it happen. But yeah, I'm with you. It's interesting to note, by the way, they did announce Zabel, I believe, as a guard, and they might like Oluatami, Oluatimia as their center for now, and Zabel at Guard. Kind of similar to I think the Patriots actually might play Jared Wilson.

and you mentioned earlier at Left Guard for now and Garrett Bradbury at Center. They'll use them both and they'll figure out who the best five are. All right, what's another class I like? You know, we didn't really hit the Eagles on Thursday night. So you take Jahad Campbell, I mentioned it briefly, but one of my favorite players in the draft,

an injury concern, they don't need him to be on the field right away. Does remind me of the Nacobi Dean pick in a way because of the injury concerns and you're waiting for him. But to me, just a premier player in this class, clearly the best off-ball linebacker and landing in a perfect spot. Thinking of him and Zach Bond next to each other

is awesome. And then day two, you take a safety, Makuba, who I really like a lot and I think he'll be able to play. I don't know if you had any thoughts on their draft as a whole, not just the first two picks. You know the day three and day two guys

better than me, certainly. But I love those first two picks and just felt like a nice combination of thinking about the future, but also guys that I think could help you try to win a Super Bowl this year. One of my favorite picks of theirs, one of the ones that made me kind of really like perk my ears up a little bit on day three was Cam Williams from Texas, who was mocked as high as the second round early in the season.

He's really young, 20 years old. He had a horrendous showing in the playoff. I think everybody remembers Cam Williams for Jack Sawyer, beating him around the edge for the strip sack in the college football playoff, but I think the Eagles on day three kind of leaned into the Jeff Stoutland Vic Fangio, like force multiplier, and especially for Cam Williams, who was a monstrous athlete, long, big, tall, like a first off the bus guy with great movement, you'd think about adding him to Jeff Stoutland and giving him the chance to let him work with him for a few years.

This is a whole, oh, the Eagles got this guy on day three ends up being a high quality starter because he gets around Jeff Stoughtland and that nucleus they have. So I'm really excited for that. But I like their draft overall. I think they took some swings, but they're worthwhile swings because you have the nucleus already

in terms of player development. Right. And Kyle McCord, by the way, they took the quarterback out of Syracuse. They always say they want to be a quarterback factory. There was some buzz that they were going to take Shador Sanders in the fifth round, which actually I think would have been a perfect situation for him and would have made sense for them, too, maybe as the medium-term backup.

And if he ends up being trade bait, like, all the better. But they end up taking Kyle McCord because the Browns traded up and took Shudor. And yeah, you mentioned Cam Williams. They took a couple tackles in round six, also Miles Hinton of Michigan. And I can just picture, like, one of those guys playing in some playoff game four years from now. And we're like, oh, the Eagles did it again. All right, give me whatever you want, a winner or a loser, whatever you want to talk about. So one of my winners is self-scouting, just in general.

I think a lot of teams looked at where they went wrong in last season and kind of flipped it completely on their head. And a few teams really stood out for me with that. The San Francisco 49ers had one of their worst seasons in run defense that I've ever seen from their defenses and decided, okay, we're just going to go out and add Michael Williams, who was one of, if not the best run defending edge in this class. You got on add Alfred Collins from Texas on day two, one of my favorite day two picks because, again, it is understanding what you were wrong with. And that is defending the run up the middle. Alfred Collins is not going to, he's not there to rush the passer. He's there to stop the run. I think adding C.J. West later on, really nice pick for them in terms of, again, stopping the run. They knew where they were going wrong. Defensive tackle, right? And like a high upside player. Yeah, C.J. West, he was, he was the middle of.

Indiana's undersized, tight front defense, and they still were one of the best teams against the run in the country, and that's partially because of C.J. West, I thought they did a really good job of understanding their faults, and then just going full force at it in this draft class. I think the Dolphins also did a good job of that. One of the big things about the dolphins, my biggest complaints about the Dolphins is that they were the cold, rainy night and Stoke team, where if it was third and short, do I expect you to get the first down, or can you stop teams from getting first downs? they couldn't. And I think adding Kenneth Grant, again, you want to stop the run. I wonder if they can kind of get the most out of him when it comes to pad level and consistency.

So if he can get that out of him, I think it's going to really help open up lanes for like Zach Seiler. I think Chop Robinson is going to have a much better year. And then you go out on day two, you add a guy in Jonas Sivionaya at Guard, who again is just going to add more physicality to the offense. That has been my biggest complaint about the Dolphins offense. is that they weren't physical. And I think adding Savayanaia and then on day three, adding Jordan Phillips and Zeke Biggers, who are both also just monstrous run defenders,

I think they knew going in. They wanted to completely flip their mantra of, oh, the dolphins can't win in the cold, the dolphins can't win the playoffs, and in the playoffs you need to be physical. So I think they added that physicality a lot. Right. And a tight end in Gunner Helm,

who probably out of this class was the best blocker, I guess. At least at least had that reputation. And not only did you trade up for Savoyanea, you sniped the Patriots by all accounts. They jumped right in front of them. Elliot Wolf, the Patriots, GM without being called the GM, said that it was a good exercise because they had their first real argument in the draft room where I think there were two sides of who they wanted to take with the Travion Henderson pick. And the best I can guess, and then he said someone, the guy that we were debating about,

out ended up getting taken. And based on a couple of the local reports, it sounds like they were debating between Henderson and Savinea and the dolphins made that choice for them. So always a nice little bonus when the team in your division gets, gets sniped. I was with you. I love that you pointed those two out because they were both on my winners list. I really like Grant and they needed that. And you expected him to be there at 13, but I thought that was fine value at that point. I think it was like, pick your favor. And I think he fit right in. And then, yeah, Robert Sala, he comes back to San Francisco as the defensive coordinator, their first five defensive players were, I mean, first five picks were defensive players. So that's given Robert Sala some love. There was also

a linebacker in there. And that was in the first 113 picks too. So they were, they weren't like through round five or six. You know, you got five, you know, good players, two third round picks, Nick Martin, a linebacker from Oklahoma State and Upton Stout from Western Kentucky as a third round comp. So a lot of defensive players going to the 49ies. By the way, while we're on 49ers. A couple weird injury items popped up during the draft. We learned that Malik Mustafa really promising young safety for them, who I expected to start, tore his ACL in week 18 last year. The news didn't come out until this weekend, so that's bad news for Salah. And then 49ers adjacent, it came out on Sunday afternoon, according to Jennifer Lee Chan at NBC in the Bay Area,

that Dre Greenlaw, the former 49er tore his quadriceps. Uh, while working out this offseason, he's now with the Denver Broncos and was expected to be a big part of their defensive, just dominance that I'm expecting, and it sounds like he's going to be out for a while. We're not sure about the timeline,

but that does not sound good. I will throw out another winner. Let's go Tyler Booker. To me, he was just a winner just for his interview with a friend of the show, Adam Lefco, and friends, including Michael Parsons,

on Bleacher Report the night of the draft. Let's listen to Tyler Booker, the guard, taken by the Cowboys in the first round. You had one of my favorite quotes of the entire draft process. You said, quote, I make guys not love football anymore. What does it feel like to see the love of football

leave someone's eyes? It feels great, you know? Like football is a child's game. So, like, people wake up be like, man, I can't wait to play this football game today. They listen to their hype music. They take all the pre-workout. so excited to play football until they come across Tyler Booker and then when I'm going after

quarter after quarter play after series after series and I start to see that love leave their eyes like that's what makes me love the game like I just really love my god yeah you just got me hype I ain't gonna lie. That is Michael after play, quarter after quarter. Hey, man, welcome to the team. That is Michael Parsons that you heard on the back end of that getting hyped up. That made me like the Booker pick. It was kind of like I didn't like the Will Campbell that picked that much

until he said he was going to die for Drake May. And that Tyler Booker picked just seeing Michael Parsons get fired up. I do see the vision. I don't love that they didn't get any wide receiver, but I do like all the players that the Cowboys took. Booker was early. I don't know if you had a thought on the on the Booker pick or the Cowboys draft. It is crazy how they do not have a second option behind CED land.

I'm kind of shocked they did not come out of this draft with one. Maybe they'll get into the wide receiver mix in terms of a veteran trade, something like that. But man, Booker fired me up to. So initially I wasn't on board with the Booker pick as much. I thought they probably were trying to trade back, but it takes two to tango. And I think Booker might. Booker is really good, but he's also schemes. specific. He is a gap. He's a gap scheme guard. You see him knocking guys over. He is pulling or he's

double teaming on power on counter. But then as you continue to look at where the Cowboys went in this draft and who also they hired as their office coordinator from the Arizona Cardinals where they ran a lot of gap scheme. It feels like the Cowboys are trying to undergo their own identity shift where they don't draft a receiver. Fine. They're just going to run the heck. out of the football. They're going to try to run the heck out of the football. And I think that interior trio of Tyler Smith, Cooper Bibi, and Tyler Booker might really like mash some guys in. Who they running? Who they're running with? They took Jaden Blue in the fifth round. They got Javante Williams. They got Miles Sanders. Maybe they're a Travis E.T.N. team. I don't know, man.

I think they're a Travis E.T.N. team. But I also like very quietly kind of like the Jaden Blue pick in the fifth round. I think his speed is going to be a big factor in that offense because they don't really have that speed outside of guys like C.D. Lamb on the team. And he's going to be a factor in a run and passing game. But what their draft kind of signaling to me is that we're not trying to get pushed over anymore. We're not trying to get pushed around. And I think, again, I hate to kind of reduce it to one team or one opponent. But the Eagles pushing people around and route to a Super Bowl, for sure the Cowboys could even get back to the NFC championship game probably left a really big like they probably stung Jerry Jones a lot and then the retirement of Zach Martin on top of that it felt like they wanted to try and get back to what they want what Jerry Jones wants them to be which is just running the ball really effectively I do think they still need to add like a between the tackles guy I'm not the biggest fan of Javante Williams but I think they I think their identity is coming into play,

but I also really love the Donovan Azaraku and Savon Ravel picks on day two. Yeah, I like those two, and they needed help everywhere, but I'll just be tracking like Matthew Golden v. Tyler Booker, because I hear you. You got to get it. Matthew Gordon is wearing 22 now. So does that play a factor? No.

I'm a fan. He's one of my losers for that. 22 as a receiver is kind of bad. It's kind of gross. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back after with some more winners and losers. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here.

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one of my winners is barren sirel got drafted on day three by the green bay packers but he actually was in the green room which kind of stunned me because he wasn't on the list to be in the green room but then he's like he's there and he just gets this incredible moment with the packers and their fans. He's jumping into the crowd. He's hyping the crowd up. They can't even go to the next person who announces the pick because Baron Sorrell is out there like basically crowd surfing. And I just thought that was a really cool moment for him. And he's one of the guys I saw at the Senior Bowl who kind of stood out a little bit. But I think he gets that, he got a really cool moment there. So he's a winner. That he's a winner. The Cardinals are a winner. It's just Walter Nolan, Will Johnson,

that kind of talent adding into the defensive room. Sean McDermott's a winner. He, he's did the thing like they did in San Francisco where it was just all defense. First five picks on defense, you know, Maxwell Harrison, T.J. Sanders. Landon Jackson was one of my favorite third round picks. He's a edge from Ohio State. But just trying to improve that Sean McDermott defense. I like I like the Chiefs first two picks to get a home run possible top tackle in the class in Josh Simmons if he can get healthy. And then Omar Norman Lott is an interesting second round defensive tackle and Jalen Royals much later at wide receiver. I like what the Chiefs did. Yeah, I actually think the Chiefs pick of Ashton Jalati in the third round feels very spaggsish.

He's a little, he's got shorter arms, but he's very similar to like a guy like George Carlottis who has heavy hands, high motor wins with power. And then Noel Williams, also in round three feels very like a spaggsish corner. So I like that they replenish their depth with guys that really can affect the game, push the pocket. Right. The Colts QB room is kind of a winner. Nate Tice is a winner that Riley Leonard landed with Shane Stuyken to Riley Leonard's the Notre Dame quarterback. You know how the Brown's quarterback room is just such different flavors everywhere?

It doesn't really make sense. The Seahawks quarterback room is like that too now with like Melrose and Darnell. No, the Colts, all their quarterbacks are the same. So Riley Leonard, if someone's going to get something out of him, it's going to be the same guy Shane Stuyken that's working with Anthony Richardson and Dana Jones. he's kind of a melding of those two so that that one's kind of fun yeah i actually posted to social media the daniel jones variance will continue until morale improves when uh colts pick uh riley leonard because he if you fuse like the recklessness of anthony richardson with the

body of daniel jones you get riley leonard because he's going to do some really crazy and stupid stuff like he he's going to try and hurdle a guy end up flipping over i think i said like in my scouting report of him it's he plays too much like he's on jackass where he's going to end up like flipping over a guy he's gonna he's gonna break his body i think the first drive of the national championship game against uh ohio state he had to come off the field because he was vomiting after he scored the touchdown and i'm just like yep that is that is a colts quarterback right there's there's something in there i think the cults are going to be entertaining if not great i i know I said we were doing speed round, but I will wrap up the show, talking to maybe one of the most

noteworthy Jaguars fans in the entire country. Let's wrap it up. An obvious winner here is the Jaguars. I'll say it for you. Just the fact, not only that you added Tulane Great, Caleb Ransaw, my guy, at cornerback in round three, but yes, you get Travis Hunter and you just change the entire franchise that way. Let's actually listen to James Gladstone, their new GM, former NFL Daily guest talk a little bit about Hunter at his introductory press conference. Hunter, he embodies belief, right? He's a rare person. He's a rare player. But he's also a reminder that the boundaries of the game of football were built to be challenged. And so the decision to select him was actually a statement, a statement for how we plan to move.

who we are, and we want him to be nothing more than him, because when he is, he elevates the space around him. Let's go. I mean, he's changing the boundaries of football. I feel like Michael Parsons, watching that Tyler Bookerby. I feel like Michael Parsons right now. That is incredible. I think James Gladstone is also one of my winners just because going into the draft, everybody was saying the Jags wanted to do something bold. The Jags wanted to be bold. Coming into the draft they had said we wanted to elevate we wanted to raise the floor of our offense and of our team in general with free agency and then raise the ceiling through the draft there is no better ceiling razor than Travis hunter and the fact that they actually went out and did it and were

and weren't afraid to go and be bold and do that kind of signals a shift for jaguars and Jaguar's fans because it actually feels like belief in a process. I think with Trent Balke, it felt like there was just kind of throwing picks out of board like, okay, we'll do this then, this now. There's no process. I think with James Gladstone, Liam Cohen, you can see the process and why every pick has been made. And then just adding a guy like Travis Hunter who can be the face of the franchise. And the way that James Gladstone looked at Travis Hunter, there was crazy. I was wondering, what was Hunter thinking? Well, I couldn't tell, you know, because I looked at Hunter, I couldn't tell if he was just kind of glazing over. He's like, what is this guy talking about or what he was thinking when Gladstone was glazing him up like that, but I loved it. I love it. It's incredible. I'm so excited for this regime. And I know that it might not work because it is the Jaguars. I am well aware of that. But the fact that they went out and this entire offseason has been about them being bold. They had to go and actually fire Trent Balky. And then they went out and took Liam Cohen back.

You go out and be bold and add a 34-year-old GM who has now become like one of the major talking points of the NFL. You go out and you be bold and get a guy like Travis Hunter. It just feels so different, but a good different. So I'm very excited. I know that it's probably not going, it might not work out. But I think the fun in it is seeing if it does. Hunter is going to work out. I just, I just believe it with all my heart. And I don't buy the, this trade made sense for both sides part of the Browns. Like it was good process for the Browns, but it was worth taking a chance for the Jaguroy's. No.

At some point, you got to evaluate the players. And I could be wrong. And James Gladstone could be wrong. But at some point, you got to, that's what they do is evaluate. And you got to, clearly the Browns didn't believe Travis Hunter was as special player as I did. I think he's going to be one of the most special players, certainly that ever puts on a Jaguars uniform or that would put on a Brown's uniform.

And if he is that guy, then you messed up. Yeah, I mean, Andrew Barry was calling him Shohei Otani entering this draft. Although he knew, it's funny to think back, according to the reporting, at that point he already knew he had traded him. So he was just, I don't know, what he was doing, trying to get a better offer.

Yeah, it's crazy to compare somebody to Shohei Otani and then pass up on the chance to take show, Hey, Yotani. Right, right. And what other sport do you do that? You certainly don't do that in baseball, but I think the Browns, I kind of, it sucks to have the rug pulled out from under you,

expecting Travis Hunter and ending it with Mason Graham, who was still a very good prospect. But then ending up using the picks you got for Travis Hunter with Dylan Sampson, who was kind of similar in a smaller package to Quinn Sean Judkins and both being gap scheme only players with not that great a vision and then drafting two quarterbacks after.

So you doubled up by drafting two running backs and two quarterbacks in this draft when you still have holes almost everywhere on the offensive line. I do like Dylan Samson though. I do like Dylan Samson. I will defend it. I get why Samson,

which kind of is like, why did you pick Judkins there then? So again, it's just, it's fine getting the picks, but it's about what you do after you get them. And that's where I feel like the Browns process was just like, what are we doing here? Right.

And for the Jags, it's just, it's cool for them to be a closer to being a premier team in terms of interest. I think that's fun. They've just been a little too forgettable lately. And I talked about it a lot this offseason. I actually thought their roster was decent. It didn't have as many huge holes in it

as a team you would expect with that. that record. What it had, what it didn't have was exciting players, top 10 at their position players. It just had a whole roster full of, okay, pretty good. So what do you, what do you add? One of the most exciting prospects that you could ever want to see. And by the way, you get to take the shine away from the team in your division, your rival that had the number one overall draft. I like the Titans draft, by the way. I like Eric Illuminar, their wide receiver. I liked at least Ali Connolly, who are big fans of on the show, has been a guess a number of times, huge fans of Winston, the safety that they got. So I think the Titans,

and they got the best quarterback in the draft, by far. So I think the Titans had a nice draft. But ultimately, Travis Hunter is enough for the Jaguars to be even nicer. Great having you on, JP. I want you to take a little bit of a breather before you start diving into that 20, 2060. But I want to get ahead of it this year and have you on earlier and start talking about those guys. Absolutely. I'll be taking a little bit of a break. I'll take like a week, week and a half. graduating from college this weekend. So I'm going to go up and visit her. And then we'll start diving into 2026 a little later.

I know. And we'll be diving into like I had more winners and takes. I love what you did, Raiders and bucks and all that stuff. But you know what? We're actually going to cover all 32 teams this week. So if we didn't hit you today, we are coming back later in the week, going over the drafts for each and every team. We'll give everyone an equal amount of time.

We'll have Jordan Roderig and Patrick Claibon, Eden with me to do that. We'll also have Daniel Jeremiah, the final 40s and free agents. That will be in your feed on Tuesday. So thanks to J.P. Acosta of SB Nation. Yes, when we're starting to fill out those post-draft depth charts, you know football is back. We'll see you Tuesday. Hey, everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On move to six, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team-building philosophies, coaching trends,

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