NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Eagles-Chiefs MNF Recap and Zach Wilson Benched

Episode Date: November 21, 2023

In a virtual room full heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, and Marc Sessler recap the Week 11 Monday Night Football matchup between the Eagles and Chiefs (00:45). After the break, the heroes get you caught up on news from around the league including Zach Wilson getting dropped down the depth chart (22:42), injury updates for Talanoa Hufanga, Joey Bosa, and Mark Andrews (26:55) and QB updates in Seattle, Cleveland, and New England (33:45). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. It's McKinnon in motion. There's Kelsey. There's a touchdown, Kansas City. Now third and five. Another blitz. Hertz takes it right up the gut. Touchdown Eagles.

And if Jalen Hertz was touched on that run to the end zone, it wasn't much. That was well handled. second down and 10. Good protection aired out. Valdez Scantling dropped it. Patrick Mahomes is one of the very great quarterbacks in the history of the sport. But tonight was another reminder

that even a magnificent signal caller cannot do it alone he needs help i'm talking to you marquez valdez scantling but you're not alone mahomes and the kansas city offense once again go silent in the second half one of the truly weird factoids of this twenty twenty three season and it allows the eagles to take a twenty one seventeen win in arrowhead behind two jalen hertz touchdowns including one in the fourth quarter that put them the head for good the super bowl rematch lived up to the hype. Dan Hanz us here with Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler and Mark, yeah, the Eagles, they deserve all the credit in the world, but what people are going to be talking about when they

wake up tomorrow is the Chiefs and their inability to support this great quarterback and the wide receivers that got them beat. If you remember, it feels like a million years ago, got the beaten week one against the lines with all those drops by Cadari. Tony happened again in prime time here and it continues to be a major subplot of this season. Yep. It counted tonight in a big way. You know, they've been so good at working their way out of jams. And I came out of the first half thinking that Andy Reid and his creativity and his ability to work around some of their weaknesses in a tough weather game. They ran for like 121 yards. It looked like they were just going to dominate both sides of the line. And I think for me that

the floor started to fall in in the third quarter it was 17 to 7 the chiefs are in control they're they're driving and there is a pass from my homes to just to justin watson who's meant to be on a go route and he runs sort of a winding hesitant path and it goes over it's it's well over his head it's a bad route by justin watson had a had they had a true deep threat it would be 24 to 7 at that point and I think at that point the game changes and off they're off and running and the MVS thing later and on. It's like they lack an element to their offense. You had a couple drops from Travis Kelsey in this as well.

And they just got put into a position. And a huge fumble by Kelsey too. And a huge fumble. And it's like the Eagles, you know, this was already an immense challenge for them, even at home. And to let them back into the game, I think exposed exactly what you said. They're missing elements in this offense. And it allowed Philadelphia to come back, get in the comfortable position,

and start to do what you knew they were going to do if they had enough time, which is make a couple big plays and turn it around. Right. The receiver issue for the Eagles, I mean, the Chiefs this season, is getting to like an insane level, but it's not just the receivers. It's Mahomes a little bit, huge red zone turnover tonight, and he's had just a couple surprising interceptions. It's pre-snap penalties.

They're among the league leaders in that. They were second worst in the NFL and second half scoring. this year. And I'm with you. I was impressed by the first half game plan and everything like that. I'm losing my voice. I apologize, guys. But when MvS drops that pass late, you think it's over after Patrick Mahomes, it gets the intentional grounding after the quick pressure on fourth and 25. And then Mahomes throws an even better pass on fourth down and Justin Watson drops that. Watson had three massive drops. How many times tonight did they go to Watson in a huge spot? And I'm thinking, Justin Watson was Tom Brady's number six receiver in Tampa, and he's acting like the one here. And Travis Kelsey had a terrible night. I know he had a couple catches on that final drive, but he had that fumble. There was a play that called for him to jump in the air, and he got like about as high off the ground as Vince Wolf or could. It was like it was a night where I saw those quotes from Travis Kelsey today that said he's thinking about retirement because of all the, you know, the damage done to his body.

And I thought watching him tonight, it's like, I get it. he's been through a lot and you do feel like they're just they're just spackling it together even though they look like the better team den for most of the night that's why i'm not panicking about this team because they did out game the eagles by a hundred and they look like the better team but it's just something's funky here it's interesting yeah the and i agree with you on on kelsey and we talk we've been talking about it all year but what really they won the super bowl last year they had a top three offense last year and a lot of that was predicated on the greatness of Travis Kelsey, who had one of the, statistically, one of the best seasons ever by a tight end

last year. And he is hardly the problem. But when a game like this where he does, he's looking, you know, he doesn't look quite like he has the same juice. And he has that huge third down drop. He kind of redeems himself late in the fourth quarter with the fourth and two reception to wipe out his drop. But he also had that massive fumble for a team that is averaging. And this, this is of a season filled with wonky stats. The Chiefs averaging less than six points a game in the second half this year. With Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid calling plays. And a good offensive line.

And a good offensive line and a solid running back in Isaiah Pachanko. I mean, they have absolutely compromised their title defense by not putting a better supporting cast around him. And you could guarantee the Chiefs are going to work hard on that in the offseason. But in the here and now, they're still seven and three. You still kind of feel good about them jockeying for the number one seat in the AFC. But, you know, how many of these games now are we going to see where there's just not enough explosiveness on the offense? Even take out the drops.

How many times in this game is it taking Patrick Mahomes three receptions to get 10 yards? You know, like everything is underneath and checked down and he's trying to make his magic. And then when he finally, and I'm watching the game with my brother and my dad, he finally is able to really uncork one. And it's a beautiful ball to MVS. And it wasn't a perfect throw, but it was pretty close. It's certainly one that MVP should catch. And that's kind of his, that was what he was known for us. It's kind of what got him run in Green Bay.

But you got to say, the chiefs management and Andy Reid, like they brought him in. They brought in MVS. And they brought in these other wide receivers that aren't getting the job done. So that is just something to keep an eye on going forward. Is there a way to fix this offense? Because I don't know if there's a route going forward. It's now heading towards December. Yeah.

I mean, it's too late to assume that can happen. I mean, it's like we trust the coaching staff. You trust Mahomes to do something more than you'd expect with whoever's around them. But to your point, Dan, they've scored one fourth quarter touchdown all year. That's aty typical for the chiefs and what you'd think of Mahomes. And to your point, Greg, like Watson had 11 targets tonight. And just five catches. It wasn't like he was, you know, making a lot of production out of that.

And I think it kind of wasted because along with the first half running game, it's like we are looking at a really special Steve Spagnolo-led Chiefs defense that held, you know, the Eagles and Jalen Hertz to 20 passing yards in the first half. They couldn't do anything on the third down. They were sacked five times. Trent McDuffie's all over the place. Chris Jones is on fire. And it all vanishes because you'd expect that part of the ball,

the homes and the offense to take care of business, and they flittered it away. And it's just like, it's such a shame because we're about 10 minutes away from them having an incredible defense of the Super Bowl rematch. And it's like we're talking about something else entirely. Greg, Greg, AJ Brown. A.J. Brown, one catch for eight yards. Well, it was, so the weather, you know, if you guys didn't watch this game, if you're listening to it, you know, the next morning in the UK or wherever, the rain, I think, was a pretty big part and why I think the receivers all had terrible nights. It felt like all the receivers were taking turns selling out their quarterback.

Jalen Hertz's first interception comes on a play where A.J. Brown completely changes the route in the middle of it. He goes deep when Hertz has no way to see him because of quick pressure gets intercepted because of A.J. Brown, who also doesn't make a good play on a one-on-one play in the end zone that is kind of A.J. Brown's bread and butter and was on a good ball. and he just judged it poorly. So, like, the receivers were playing poorly all night, but I do give the Eagles defense or offense a little bit of credit here

because ultimately it felt like they were out of it and their defense kept getting three and outs to start that third quarter. Then they put together a quick strike touchdown drive. And then right when it's going against them, Travis Kelsey, you know, they get that fumble. And what I think was the key play of the game until the MVS drop, fourth and four, Andy Reid at his 40-yard line chooses to punt it in the fourth quarter. And the football gods don't like that, Danny.

The football guys don't like it. So they make that bouncing punt go into the end zone. Two plays later, the Eagles have already made up that punt yardage. Four plays later, they're in the end zone and they got the lead. So as great as the Chiefs defense is, it's still defense. And if you give the Eagles enough chances over and over, I give the Eagles some credit. They kept going back to those screen passes.

It was driving me crazy. But finally, they hit one with DeAndre Swift. And then Devante Smith, who was getting open all night, he gets deep and Jalen Hertz hits him with a nice go ball. I wrote in my notes on that, on that fourth and four punt in Eagles territory, I think was the 39 or something like that. Like Greg is going to go nuts off this because he netted only 19 yards. And then that is like, that was just like the second or third iteration.

It's very andy reading too. It was. And just letting them back into the game. And like, I mean, give some credit to the. way that DeAndre Swift ran tonight. And then suddenly you started to see Hertz do it on the ground, too. And that drive changed everything. It's just like these key mistakes. And that punt decision was so atypical for 20, 23, no matter what school of thought you're in, it's like, be aggressive and attack because you've got the greatest quarterback in the league and you can make a play here,

no matter what's happened. And I thought that was just kind of like handing a chance back to an aggressive Eagles offense to say, come do what you can do. And they did it. It's why you need good receivers, Dan, because only one receiver had a great night tonight, but it's really important to have high-level players at that position. AJ Brown couldn't get it done, but it was DeVant to Smith. I think it was ultimately talent that sort of won out there for the Eagles that saved him. They did without Dallas Goddard, too. He made that, he made a big catchdown field, the 41-yard gain, so I don't know. I mean, yeah, you could say it was the weather, and it certainly wasn't great, but a lot of these drops, man, you just got to, and it was a great, it was a great,

environment. I thought, you know, despite the weather, like it felt like a huge game. It felt like a playoff game. And I have to give some credit. I don't really like doing this. And I don't know why, but I also don't think I'm alone. I know Keith Hansis feels this as well. I don't know that Nick Siriani annoys me for some reason. There's something about him. They just, I just feel like, ah, he's a little kind of, he's a rascal that guy. You just want to go. I love him for the same reason why I probably annoy you, but I feel like him. Yeah, I could see why you would like him. But I think a lot of people feel the same way with some of his histrionics on the side line and I don't know, he's just got that face. He's got one of those faces. But having fun out there.

But oh, whatever. A lot of everybody's having fun. But something about him. You know, he's just a little tweaker. He's a little tweaker is what he is. But I will say this. You got to give him credit it because, you know, this is not, and, you know, if MVS makes that catch, whatever, maybe it's a different story. It probably is. Maybe the Eagles go down and score, by the way. They would only get down three. They would have had one and 30 to go.

These chiefs. I think the chiefs would have won the game. I think there was that big a drop by MVS, one that can define seasons. But he lost his offensive coordinator, Shane Steichen. He lost his defensive coordinator, Gannon, and this team is nine and one. And Siriani, obviously, has a. a good eye for talent for his coaching staff and he knows what he's doing

and I don't know if he gets enough credit maybe because everybody like except for Gray kind of agrees and he's just kind of annoying you just want to just something just like swat him sometimes but he is very good at this and that's part of their success as well they just have a very strong team that's built for these crucible type

games and moments and you saw it again tonight I thought that I thought that Siriani though is the sort of a lightning rod who taught us a lesson that if you come in as a coach and your own social media staff does you dirty by making you look like a fool when you come prancing around the building

on that opening sort of tour and then you turn out to be a great coach who you're right. They lost two good coordinators who look like good coaches themselves. That's like a talent drain and Siriani's kept it together and I like Siriani.

I might be in the middle of you too but I kind of like I understand like the tears and all that stuff and some of the looks on the sideline but like I think he fits the Eagles and they love him. You gotta get out of the man for crying during the national anthem.

Oh, he, no, he definitely, he definitely fits. He definitely fits Philadelphia. I'll say that. Yeah. I'll leave it there. He's a little, he's a little extra. I definitely can admit that. Mark, don't you just want to give him a little slap though, just a little one sometimes.

So I just think he's grown on me because like something about the, like the Eagles used to kind of annoy me in general. I couldn't quite place it. And he's made me a fan of them because of kind of what they did tonight to get out of the jams they were in. and he comes up with solutions. But I know what you're saying, they're really showing that they,

because it's so hard to come back from, you know, making the Super Bowl and losing it and to come back and be nine and one, despite not always playing their best. And this gave that feeling too. They got out gained by 100 yards. But they've been in a lot of different situations this year.

They were down big to the commander. I know it was the commanders, but they were down big to the commanders a couple of times, won those games. They've shown they're really good at front runners, but they're also good in coming from behind. This was a game, and if I was a Chiefs fan, I actually do take a lot of positives out of this game. I think they won the line of scrimmage for the most part on both sides of the ball against Philadelphia.

It's very impressive. Like, Mahomes was protected well. You mentioned the rushing yards in the first half. It did dry up a little bit, Mark, but it was partly because they went away from the run. I was impressed, and I thought it was telling Andy Reid went into the bye week. everyone's, what's he going to do when he comes out of the buy? He's the magician coming out of the bike. And kind of what he did was like, actually, we can run the ball.

We have no explosive plays. We're just going to be methodical and count on our defense. And we're going to run the ball. And they did that very well. And for them to get a lot more pressure on Hertz, they had five sacks in the first half. They won that matchup. Chris Jones was awesome for the most part. I know they ended up losing this game, but those are pretty good underlying signs that actually

this chief team up front probably has the best. best O-line, D-line combination they've ever had, and maybe the best O-line-D-line combination in the entire NFL plus Patrick Mahomes. That's still a lot to work with, even if you've got some issues. I'm with you. And that was on display tonight, but I would also say that it's not like untrue what we talked about before. Like, you've got issues at wide receiver and we're not sure we're at with Travis Kelsey. Like, it leaves Mahomes on an island. And you're not going to win every one of these matchups different ways. Spagnola is one of the reasons they had five sacks, too. It's like they, in that first half. Like, I mean, he's scheming them up so well. And

And, like, other teams can't do that against the Eagles, but I don't know. They were actually, like, running the ball on third and short. They weren't doing these crazy plays. They were just handing the ball off and they were gaining big yards. I was like, this is progress. Yeah. Next week, the Eagles get the bills at home on Sunday, and the Chiefs are in Vegas for the Raiders. So there you go.

And I was thinking now that I'm thinking about it a little bit more, Mark, think of it like a long, leather glove, right? And you take it off finger by finger. And then you're holding it by like kind of the base of it. And then you just like whack them in the face. And you go, just stop it. Oh, like an old-timey woman's like 1940s smack with her glove like in the rain. Just.

And it's just like, just stop it. I don't understand what people want out of their coaches. I mean, if they're just standing there and they're boring, they're too boring, he's out there living like he's living his life. He's leaving it all out there on the. the field i like it there could be some tri-state area envy going on here too i didn't know that it's controversial to think nick syriani is a good entertainment you're siding with a a mass agitator gregg i totally get why he i will admit he is almost the the exact example of the type of guy that

like if he's if he's your coach you love him uh if he's on your team you love him and if not maybe you're if you're against them, he would drive you crazy. Guess what the Eagles are my team? I'm a closet Eagles fan, so I enjoy them quite a bit. All right, there you go. Great game. Wouldn't mind seeing them play again in February. How about that?

Oh, what's that? We had a lockoff for this for tonight. We had a chiefs pick from Mark. That's not a good sign. Yeah, we had a chiefs pick for Mark in the Cincinnati Zoo staying on Greg's heels here. lock up the Eagles. Man, I can't remember, and that's a bad beat, Mark. Just know that I probably would have won my fantasy matchup if VS catches that ball.

So we're both a little annoyed about how the end of that game played out. But I got to say the West Brothers and with the zookeeper, Nick Wessling, Greg has run away with this thing. But at the same time, I can't remember the last time the Wesleying Brothers lost. Aren't they on a mighty streak of their own? I'm not running away. They're right. They're two back with.

with 10 to play or whatever. That's not running away at all. Oh, wouldn't that be delicious if that came down to the last couple of weeks. It'd be good for the show. And I, like, I was thinking about this tonight as I was watching the Chiefs fade off to the distance along with my lock. Like, I do take consolation. Do you remember back in 2016?

Of course you will. You remember how fourth place turned out and who got fourth place that you remember? What are you talking about? I'm sorry. I don't know. Exactly. Exactly. No one, no one is like in 20, in 20, in 2029, no one is.

going to remember my fate in this contest. I can, I can walk around. And Greg, I know that you can drive to the local Wendy's with your Locke trophy. And they're going to give you all your food at half price. I'm sure that's how it works. But, you know, outside of our little bubble. And I do I'm sure I'm just, you know, I'm hitting out. But like, I'm getting my butt kicked in the locks tournament. And I'm, you know, I'm trying to look at it from a large, like a larger view. It's, it has no meaning on our society. Greg and Mike Tanabom could like go to the friendlies in Western Mass and talk about how amazing it is with Greg's lock. trophy I guess I'm losing my touch because I was I was straight rooting hard for the Eagles tonight

if I had if I had known I guess that it was Nick's team then maybe I would have changed my mind oh what a what a showdown that would be I'm always I'm always always always pro Eagles what a team and I saw Nick did uh did do a little trash talk uh in that in that thread uh it looks like mark I don't know well no so and I and I I know it's good to be competitive but like literally the minute the game ended he sent like three lock like um icons. It was like, all right, you had that thing planned for like 20 minutes. I get it, but that's fine. He and I are not very confrontational with each other. I mean, we're, we're pals. Well, it's sounding like he got under your skin just like, just a little. I was, I was ended

tonight. Any chance of me doing anything ended tonight. There's kind of like the the lock competition now as we head in, you know, deeper into the second half, it's like two serianis going off against each other. Only one could be on top at the end. There are no winners in that. competition. I do want to say before we move totally off this game, I actually think the Chiefs have as good or better chance to get the one seed than the Eagles despite this loss. This was a bigger win, I think, for the Eagles. It was a bigger game, I think, for the Eagles than it would have been for the Chiefs just because of the schedules. That's it. I mean, they've survived the start of this gauntlet by beating Dallas and by beating Kansas City. But it remains very hard.

Detroit's only one game back. San Francisco's hanging around. Dallas is hanging around. In Kansas City's schedule, the rest of the season is Cupcake City. The only tough game really is home for Buffalo, which is not a game that, you know, that they're going to be underdogs or anything. You know, they're playing at the Chargers Week 18. Everyone's going to have their bags packed for the Chargers by that point.

Like I could see that the Chiefs either winning now or only having four losses. And I know they're not the one seat tonight. It's the Ravens, technically, but the Chiefs have a very good chance to be the ones. Looks like you're coming around on my take on the podcast last week. There's no good teams in the FC. So this Chief's team with literally zero fireworks that averages five points a game in the second half. Yeah, they could get the one seat. They have a great defense, a great head coach, a great quarterback, and a great offensive line.

So yes, they have one pretty big weakness, you know, scoring points in the second half. But then your Ravens will still win the Super Bowl. No. Your Ravens will still win the Super Bowl as a second seed then. When you look back at teams that win the Super Bowl, they're usually like 13 and 4. Sometimes they're 12 and 5. You know, it's like they got to lose some games for that to happen.

You know, it happens. All right, let's take a break. And when we come back, we'll hit the news and then get on out of here. All right, we are back. All right, let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see, let's hit some news. starting with my Moribund New York Jets who are having historically poor

offensive season and on Monday they finally made the move that a lot of Jets fans have been asking for for weeks and weeks. Zach Wilson is on the bench once more not just demoted to second string. He is now third on the depth chart behind Tim Boyle

who will start on Friday against the Dolphins in the Black Friday game at MetLife Stadium and Trevor Simeon who had been signed from the practice squad and he will be the backup. So Wilson is the emergency quarterback and quite possibly, and you know, this guy has got more lives than a cat, but quite possibly he's played his last game as a jet.

Here is Robert Sala talking about the draft process and what they might have done different back in 2021. What do you believe you guys could have done differently during the draft process when when evaluating the quarterback position? You know what? I actually, I've got my thoughts. I've shared them with Joe, but I'm not going to get into it here with you guys. That is a very strange, strange, strange answer from Sala, who, you know, has been a little inconsistent around this quarterback, quite frankly, one from supporting him deeply and fully. as recently as, you know, about seven days ago to now with kind of that weird non-answer

and using language that teams tend to use when they've given up on a QB, like, I think he can be a good player, you know, insinuating wherever that may be, but it won't be here. So that is a move that Jets had to make. I was raging guys about, I don't know if I could watch another game and everyone should be fired if that guy is even on the field in the second half against the bills. so they did bench him in that game, and now they move him out of the picture. It's just all too little too late, in my opinion. Yeah, I think, well, you've clearly given up on him

when he's the third quarterback behind Tim Boyle and Trevor Simeon. That's pretty dark. I mean, there's a non-zero chance. Zach Wilson never starts a game in the NFL again. There's a non-zero chance he's out of the league in two or three years. It happened to Blake Bordell's another top five pick. He'll get another chance on another team, certainly, but it'd be a surprise if he ever played for the Jets again.

And part of the issue is that it's Tim Boyle next. Or it's Simeon who is only on the team because he didn't make the Bengals. And like Tim Boyle is one of Aaron Rogers' best friends. It's hard not to just find it bizarre that one of Aaron Rogers' best friends is, you know, running, playing quarterback with Aaron Rogers' favorite play caller calling the plays. It's just like, it's a little much. I just I I I this is another example of when in the press conference the coach starts to use words and speak in a tone I mean there's clear frustration like you're basically back where you were a year ago with Zach Wilson and in organizationally like I think a more like let's just take a fresh look at what we're doing and we're bringing in Aaron Rogers there's an opportunity to get a strong backup and they spoke so strongly about sticking up for Zach Wilson and what he could be behind Aaron Rogers he's going to sit there you know danger free for two years and learn.

That's cool, but that's not how most of these seasons work for most of these teams. And I feel when I hear Sala speak that, like, Joe Douglas and Sala and fill in the blank quarterback Aaron Rogers and ownership are just not on the same page. And Sala's the one having to take it up there verbally. Now, I know he's also been inconsistent, but like he just sounds like unempowered. And I don't, I just, I think also he's looking at a quarterback that very likely could cost a lot of people in that organization jobs. very soon.

I'll leave it here, and this is to Woody and Douglas and to Sala and Hackett and even a little bit to Aaron Rogers. I'll quote, The Joker, you get what you deserve. And now let's see if you get to keep your jobs at the end of the season because it could get a lot worse before it gets better. Moving on, the San Francisco 49ers have lost a big piece. Also, my guy, you may remember from last year, Tallanoa Hufanga, is out for the year with a torn ACL in his right knee,

suffered the injury against the Bucks on Sunday. And that is a big piece of their secondary, Greg, that goes to the wayside until 2024. So a challenge for San Francisco's defense. Yeah, I thought he made progress this year, too. Last year, I know he was a second team all pro, but there were a lot of big time plays, and he was giving up a lot of big time plays.

And this year he was more consistent, and he still was making the big time. place. So he just has a physical edge back there. It's really the weakest part of their team, I would say, in general, is their secondary. And so that's losing a big part of it. They drafted a guy, Jeyer Brown. I think it was the second round. It was a surprise pick. He came in on Sunday and made some plays, and everyone was excited about him. So that's one where they're drafting, their development will have to be spot on. And in the early returns, at least how he played Sunday were pretty good. And we talked like about how the Bucks, you know, clearly it was like, it would have been a lot for

them to come back and take a lead in that game. But they kept knocking on the door, and they were right down by the end zone. There was a tip pass, and Jayaer Brown picked it off. And it's like, all right, there's a start there. And I think there's some promise with him. But like, the Niners, I trust to, like, lose guys and, like, find a way back in. Dan, I have a point of correction. Go ahead.

Third round pick. And we strive to be accurate here. That's very important. I would give you a really touchy high five if I was with you right now. Joey Bosa of the Chargers limped off the field against the Packers on Sunday with a foot injury. He got carted. He had the towel in his face and it all looked very bad. And it's not good.

Not maybe end of the season bad, but it could be. Joey Bosa has a right foot sprain, which sounds awfully close. That dreaded, harlot, that flusy, that scorpion woman, Liz Frank. But I'm not seeing that as a term. connected to this injury, but it's a foot sprain. So he's likely headed to injured reserve. Brandon Staley said Monday, which would put him out at least the next four games. And it will be determined, Staley said, if Bosa plays again this season.

Greg, this has been part of the Joey Bosa experience. And, you know, it's going to be for whether it's the Chargers or whomever else, that's going to give him a massive contract because he's an elite player when it comes to doing what he does best and getting to the quarterback. but, you know, this is a tough injury for a chargeous defense that already stinks. And it really is frustrating because Bose has missed a lot of time in his career. Yeah. I went and did the numbers randomly earlier this year because I started thinking about it.

This is his ninth season. And this will be the sixth time in nine seasons. I believe that he failed to top, what's the number? Five hundred and fifty snaps, which you would consider like a part-time player. If you play half the snaps, it's about 500. So he has been less than a part-time player, less than half the snaps in six of his nine seasons. He's had a great theoretical career. You feel for him, and you certainly feel for the Chargers and gave him all that money,

but he really hasn't had the career kind of that's in your head that you think that he had because he just hasn't been on the field enough. And I do suspect that they'll move on from him in the off season. Well, we don't know who, who, like, they is at this point, too, with that organization. Well, yeah, right. Well, I'm just saying, like, Tolesco's been there forever. He's got a lifetime job, apparently. But, like, it's, this is, he was there partially this time around now for Brandon Staley's defense as well.

He's got a $36 million cap hit next year. And he's not that easy to trade unless you want to take him some dead money. But we'll see. He's got zero guaranteed. That's crazy that, like, three seasons in a nine-season career where he really stayed hell. healthy. Other injury news, better injury news, Ravens told reporters on Sunday that they thought Mark Andrews' season was over after the ankle injury that he suffered against the Bengal and that Bengals, it was a Thursday injury, excuse me, and their 3420 win. Harbaugh gave a surprise

update on the tight end Monday saying there's a quote, outside chance they see him again. Let's hear from John. Nothing's completely definitive yet, but my understanding is in talking with our trainer and the doctors is that it wasn't as bad as initially feared right after the game, that there is the type of damage that's done sometimes in that kind of action, what happens to the ankle, but it wasn't as bad as it could have been. It's a little cleaner than they thought based on the MRI. He's going to be involved with Dr. Anderson down there in Carolina, Charlotte here the next few days, and we'll know more, but there might be an outside chance he could get back at some point in time. So we'll just have to see how that goes, though,

and I don't want to say that's definitive money stretch, but there is some optimism. Mark, does this take too strong? The Ravens cannot win the Super Bowl without Mark Andrews on the field. No, I think he's their North Star, but I also, the minute I heard this news, I had a vision of, like, we're going to be tracking this for weeks, and, like, he will suit up and appear in time for, like, the crucial, you know, final game of the regular season or their playoff game. I can see that already. And I have another, you know, I have a suspicion. You know, how people have, have questioned if Shakespeare was actually like maybe a collection of 12 to 15 writers. You know, he was writing like massive plays like every week. Dr. Andrews, I'm convinced is just like a legal firm of like 22 doctors

that do surgeries every week going back. I don't know how many years. How many surgeries does this guy do? He's the busiest guy in the league. Everyone goes to him. I wouldn't be convinced if it was seven to eight people all, you know, collecting massive paychecks. Well, ever ever since Neil Architrage or whatever, L. Architraich.

His name is Neil Eletroch. Okay, bro. Actually, you got it. I've never said that name before and I realized I had no idea how to say it, but I've just seen it. Those guys, they hate each other. They see each other at the golf course and he's like, oh, Andrews, that guy.

He's old time. Eletrage is bringing in the new, the new blood. I did Tom Brady's knee. Tough sitch when those guys are battling out, driving it past each other and they're like Porsches. They got Isaiah likely. They'll be fine. Greg, who do the Seahawks get on Thursday, Thanksgiving?

They got the 49ers Thursday night. All right. That's a tough one, Oves. And they expect Gino Smith, though, who banged up his elbow in the loss of the Rans to be on the field. so that's a good thing and i'm going to double this one up uh mark who's the backup quarterback of the browns presently well it sounds like it's going to be joe flacco very soon and maybe p j walker hits the skids behind d t r right right now technically it's p j walker but joe flacco uh old stone pony

himself has signed with the stone age pony himself is signed with the cleveland practice squad um you know we've been covering joe flacco for a long time. But I will tell you this, Joe Flacco has got a special skill at this point in his career and it is getting hit in the pocket and fumbling the ball. So I hope, Mark, for your sake, we do not see Joe Flacco on the field in meaningful snaps because that man is a human fumble machine. I do love that when the Browns tweeted it out, they went out of their way to the image of Joe Flacco in a Jets jersey. There's no way they're going to tweet out Flacco. He was like, outside of Big Ben, he had...

had the greatest quarterback starting record against the Browns of anyone ever in the modern times. And it just seems like an ill fit to me. And he's also roughly 56 years old. So we'll see how that goes. Can I just throw out there, Mark, you may remember, you may not. Joe Flacko, one of the most unlikely jet wins in team history, one and O against the Cleveland Browns as a New York jet last season. I guess you bring him in for his information about what he can do for the Browns from the inside. I'm not sure what's happening here. They do play the the Jets later in a potential DTR versus Tim Boyle primetime showdown. Pinch me.

I honestly would not be surprised if it's Joe Flacco by then because, A, it's just hard to stay healthy as a quarterback. And so we don't know if the Browns will be able to stay healthy. And B, just depending on how it goes, man, this offense that they're putting together with DTR, it's just they're starting from the ground floor and they're putting different things together. And at some point, they just might want to see. how it looks with someone with experience.

It just wouldn't shock you if at some point Joe Flacco plays for them, but I'm with you. I'd rather just see DTR go. The Patriots will decide their starting quarterback in week 12 and perhaps beyond after sharing reps in practice this week. That is depressing between Belly Zappy and, of course, Mac Jones, unless there's another guy in the mix. Greg, you can help me out with that.

There is. I actually think Will Greer, I would put, money on Will Greer starting games this season. Maybe not this week, but this season. Will Greer and Tim Boyle making up 50% of the AFC's quarterbacks. That's rough.

And finally, the NFL has suspended 14-year veteran that's unbelievable. 14 years Kareem Jackson's been smoking guys on the field. And he was suspended without pay four games for repeated violations of player safety rules. The result

of a pretty vicious hit on Josh Dobbs in Denver's 21 to 20 win on Sunday. Mark, you were saying to me that real man football is missing and you celebrate hits like that. That's what you said to be privately. Do you still believe that now that we're sharing a conversation in public? Sure, absolutely. Why would I back down from that take that is so honest for me? He just came back from a suspension. He just appealed like another four game suspension. He literally, he suspended again. suspended, played two games. It's like, Mark's always like, hey, why don't you just put them in a skirt?

And it's like that little massage to me much? You know, how about a little flag football at this point? I thought our text threads were private, but here they are just getting verbalized on a podcast. People were going wild on that Fletcher Cox hit on Patrick Mahomes on that last drive, which set up that MBS hit, which was, it was borderline, but I wasn't going to go crazy about it. All right. And finally, before we say goodbye, because it's absurd. you know, I grew up on the East Coast but, you know, it's been a long time

since I've been watching prime time on the East Coast and we're taping this at 1218 in the morning. I have a flight to catch in the morning. Actually, I want to go back to the whole Will Greer Zappy Mac Jones thing for a while because what it really says about the Patriots Dynasty is that...

Okay. Mark, you know, the Browns had another stirring win in week 11 and they are, they are charging and hard in the afc and they want to let people know the people who doubt them know hey we might be down our star running back we might be without our quarterback but uh we're still here and they're going to stick it to the people who doubted them people like eric this bizarre cess spice

combination i mean you got to check out the youtube you got to check out the youtube they did the old thing with the uh sent out the tweet uh i'm not being i'm not being i'm We can't see what the Brown's tweet is based on what we're seeing route. No, that was the whole thing. The old screen grab of all the game preview picks. And there it is. Cess Spike is picking a 1613 Steelers win. And it just, you know, Mark, I don't even know what else to say, but I'll throw it to you.

I've largely handed the operation over to the extremely knowledgeable spice rack. In this case, you know, if he feels strongly, I'm going to go with it. I would say that's a by the Browns. Easy there, Brandon Staley. Your name's on it. Let's take some accountability. I would say that's a bad job by the Browns with that tweet because I get those things all the time.

It's like when everyone picked Team A to win. I mean, I'm a part of that crew. How about this? In that collection, half the people picked Cleveland though. Yeah, I don't understand it. The Brown social media needs to work on it. Half the people pick Cleveland in a game between two, six, and three teams. Well, all that points out is that, and look, Nick Shook's there.

He picked his hometown team. By 10. But let's just, let's call a spade of spade. You know, if you're going to hand over the operation to someone else, Mark, maybe somebody that's capable because it looks like Spice Rock might be in over his head. I think Spice Rock went like, you know, 14 and 1 the week before. So I don't, you know, it's more than learning on the fly. Let's get skills.

Let's check the data on that as well. It sounds like some classic Sessler inflation. Right. I think what you really need to do is go check out my picks on game day view, Mark. And you'll see I pick the Browns. and maybe I'm the biggest Browns fan now on the around the NFL podcast. We got rid of your old creepy quarterback

and I'm on the train. I picked them in a nice little victory. Way to go. Greg, you're a valiant individual and there's no end to that ability of yours. Greg, does the name Barry Harowitz mean anything to you? Actually, no, I don't know anything. Yeah, you could look them up on Wikipedia.

the real ones no um all right good stuff i got to go catch a bird and i'll see you guys um on wednesday we'll be back it's a it's a holiday week here in the states thanksgiving on thursday so the schedule for us actually is pretty similar no it's different actually because the nfl must own every day possible uh especially during the holiday season so we got we're going to do our full preview of week 12 on on the wednesday show and then Thursday, we will enjoy time with our families and watch all the football. And then Friday, we'll have you caught up to date with the recaps of the Thanksgiving games and also the Black Friday affair, the very, very Black Friday affair of the New York

Jets against the Miami Dolphins. And, of course, the flagship show will return again on Sunday. That's it. That's the schedule. Cestog, you're back in the saddle and there's no getting off, baby. I'm in control. Feed the call! This is an I-Heart podcast.