NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Eagles QB news; Offseason Storylines Worth Tracking...and One's to Fast Forward

Episode Date: February 7, 2019

A room filled with some heroes- Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Chris Wesseling bring you all the news around the NFL including Eagles QB Carson Wentz responding to reports about his temperament (10:53), Nick Foles informing the Eagles that he will void his $20 million option (14:12), and the Miami Dolphins introducing Brian Flores (18:55). There is still uncertainty about where the Raiders will play in 2019 but they are not expected to play in Oracle Park (24:31). The heroes then break down some offseason storylines worth tracking…and ones to fast forward (31:19).  The heroes say goodbye to the biggest bod in the room, Nick Shook (51:58).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Visit NavyFederal.org for more information. The Around the NFL podcast. Look like Lego people next to Nick Shook. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hanses and I am joined in a room filled with a hero. Mark Sessler. What's up, boy? I mean...

I guess everyone else is still, you know, drifting in the afterglow. How nice. Of Super Bowl 53. Where's Greg? Not here. My dog, Mark with a C. Where's Wes? All right.

Yeah, Greg's on vacation. So I guess we give him a pass. Okay. But it's like he couldn't wait to get off the grid. You know, you're reading into that, as you will. And I tweeted as a joke yesterday that Greg was involved with the Patriots Parade Brawl, which is really funny to think about. He was not in New England, I don't believe.

But Wes is supposed to be here right now. He knew the time. 9.30 a.m. Pacific start for today's show. Just blowing us off. He is in Los Angeles. It's not that there's no, you know, no emergency has occurred. Erica, did you get any type of phone call or any heads up on this? I haven't heard from him. I mean, you... Did he make it back from Tybee?

And all... That's what I'm wondering now. I believe he did. A raging pro. I don't know what else to... I mean, how many times have we heard over the past two years? We never start on time. That's our record that we never started on time before. Well, where's less? We're here. I just heard a knock at the door.

It looks like he forgot his ID too. What a disaster. I mean, we never start on time. You'd like to think we'd kick off this off season at full strength. Respect the show. Respect the audience. Be a pro. And ultimately, respect yourself.

And here he comes. Chris Wessling of the Around the NFL podcast coming into the studio. Waltzing in with this little silver. Look at that nice little silver drink tin. What do you even call that? He's getting his stuff together. This is the... Oh, here he is.

Putting the headset on. It's a common implement, Mark, known as a mug. Well, it's nice and shiny. A thermos mug. For a nice and shiny person. I'm glad you guys started without me, so now I can have this in my repertoire for the 99% of the tons

we never start this podcast on time. We were here this time. Starting 2019, you know, with a new flavor. Do you want to drop it? Because we've got tradition. and you're here. Hey, Dan. There is.

Welcome to the Thursday edition of you around the NFL podcast. And, you know, it's the Thursday after the Super Bowl, Ricky Hollywood behind the glass, still in the afterglow of another Patriots title. You know, given a little distance,

it feels, I still, it feels weird to me that that's how this season played out. That's how this season played out. That's how this season specifically ended it doesn't like make sense like how there was so much excitement this year so many new things happening you know whether it was Patrick Mahomes turning the league on its ear say quads going nuts Baker Mayfield returning the Browns the respectability

scoring out of control a double 50 burger game and then it was almost like there was like some type of power outage and they had to like flip the breakers and going to safe restart, like default mode. And that led to another Patriot Super Bowl run, which was the opposite of everything else that was new and exciting. I hear what you're saying, but something, you know,

it would be new also if Bill Belichick weren't the best coach in football given enough time to prepare for someone who's never been, against someone who's never been there. The two buy weeks, Wes, that I feel like they came close the rest of the AFC to taking the Pats out of the by week, entering the playoffs

but given the genius of Belichick and that's undeniable the fact that he gets the bye week going into the divisional playoffs and then the buy week going to the Super Bowl when you have such an advantage that mad scientist that is a big part of it isn't it?

I think that's his whole MO like if I can get to the AFC championship game then I know between my ability to game plan out game plan the opposing coaches and Brady's ability in the fourth quarter we've got like a certain percentage advantage every game over the opposition.

How about this theory, Mark? The first two acts of the NFL season, let's look at the season like a movie. The first two acts were kind of a, you know, heart stopping, kind of exhilarating. You didn't know it was going to happen. And then the third act, everybody, you know, the turtle put his head in the shell.

It was like the quiet place of NFL seasons. I know. I know, I know you didn't like how the, The quiet place ended after a really great start. How about that? Yeah, I mean, that, again, that's under the umbrella that we don't like the way it ended, and I'm with you on that in some ways. But I will say one thing, the one thing that felt new to me about the Super Bowl

was that I expected it to be a continuation of what we'd seen, where these Super Bowls, like, especially the Eagles, Patriots, when last year, just got totally out of hand with offense, and you could imagine it happening again, and we got a totally unexpected result. who find me one so-called expert first of all find me one about anything but one football expert that predicted three points for the Rams in that sense it was new I could get the Patriots exhaustion with you though is a legit real thing not just me it's not just me it's not like I'm an audience conduit in a lot of ways absolutely and the way the way that game the way the game ended the 13 3 the one thing we

used to say all the time is like at least I know you have Patriots exhaustion then but you're going to get a great game well I didn't get that either this time so no Please, no more. It's a sport that's notoriously hard to predict, and I think this year was harder to predict than ever. And that was the fallout from the roles changing over the course of the season. The roles on what you could do to a quarterback were different in September and early October than they were late in the season.

And I think that combined with defenses catching on to all of the pre-snap motions and gadgets that coaches were doing, maybe they gradually caught up over the course of the season. Wes, you were in Tai B. If we were, you did not get to your 100 drink over under, over at the Super Bowl. But if we were to tack on Tai B, are you over 100? Good question. I hadn't counted, but I think it's awfully close.

I would put myself a slightly under for like the 12-day venture. I have to say, I'm a little disappointed. We don't get the West croak. When the voice goes a little bit, that's when you know Wes had an incredible 24 to 48 hours. Well, I approached this trip differently. You know, in previous trips, it's always like, oh, Wes is coming in. in a town, everybody, you know, have a badge. Yeah, this was more like, only tell a few people I wanted to live like I used to live

when I live there, where you're an actual islander instead of like a semi-celebrity coming in to drink with everyone. Like you're calling yourself a semi-celebrity. Well, for the island. Yeah. You know. It's still a, it would be a big thing to be a celebrity on an American island. Like, there's no island that I would roll into as a celebrity.

So that is an achievement, Wes. Do you take a lot of photos when you're there? I did. Took a lot of photos, hung out in the Huckapoo's kitchen. Signed any autographs? No autographs? All the good conversation, you know, all these stories where you just like do a triple take and then gradually pull your seat closer to be like, let me hear the rest of this nonsense.

What about where you like people ask you to sign body parts? How about any of that late in the night? I've never in my life been asked to sign a body part. You never signed a booby? No. I've not. You get wild over there in Tybee. All right.

That's great. And we'll be at Tyby in a few months. Oh, yeah. It's coming. Do I have to bleep booby? I don't know. I'm going to let you this type of bird. It's a physical body part.

I think it's very... Are we still as a society, like almost 15 years removed from Janet Jackson? Now we can't even say booby. Which direction are we going on this issue? Adam Levine's got the nips out, double nips. Anyway, all right, so Super Bowl 53, yes, in the books. Whether you're happy with how it turned out or not, it's over. Today's show is going to be looking ahead to what else is going on.

the league, there are a host of juicy offseason storylines as there always are when you start to take a more macro look at the league post Super Bowl. So we're going to go through some of them. And we're going to, Wes, Mark and myself, we're going to talk about the ones we're kind of looking forward to tracking. And the ones we wish, if we could, just hit fast forward to the end, to the conclusion. Because you want to know how it turns out just so you can process it as a football analyst specialist, sure. You need to know what happened. But if you could just, you know, go blank slate and just there's the result.

Some subplots. I'd argue that list for me would be longer than the former list. That's true. So we're going to do that. We'll check in on our Super Bowl sandwich props. Say goodbye to some friends at the end. And then before we do any of that, let's take a spin around the league. Do some news.

this quarterback I'll tell you how bad he was I'll tell you how bad he was he and McVe were worse than Maroon 5 and that took some taken because what I'll say about Maroon 5 when I was sitting there watching them

is I wish somebody would have marooned them because they were God awful that's how you do radio Wes your thoughts on the New York media well I was going to say we're in lockstep on this particular issue because I made the same

comparison on our recap show. Absolutely. Look at you. You should replace Mad Dog. Oh, my God. Wes and Franceso would be awesome. Fran Wessa. That is tremendous. All right. There you go. So that's Mike Francesa WFAN. Borrowed that from back after this Twitter account, which is fun.

Let's start with the Philadelphia Eagles who have a, no longer have a quarterback controversy. Two bits of quarterback news. We'll start with Carson Wend. who there was that report a week or so ago in which unnamed players kind of spoke out about how Wentz is a little bit difficult to deal with. That he's not maybe the all-American perfect country boy quarterback that he's been portrayed as and it makes life a little bit more difficult behind the scenes for the Eagles. And West, this surprised me because Wentz spoke to a small group of reporters at the Philadelphia practice facility. And this via ESPN, I know who I am, first of all.

I know how I carry myself. I know I'm not perfect. I know I have flaws. So I'm not going to sit here and say it was inaccurate and completely made up. I'm not going to do that. But at the end of the day, I will say our locker room is really close. If there were guys that had issues in hindsight, I wish we could have just talked about them. But again, I don't know how that all happened and everything with that.

Wentz, quote, created friction within the offense. He owns up to some of that. that your thoughts was i've really been trying to get a read on this story where it seems like wince it turns out like when he was coming into the league we all knew he was a very intelligent guy and most intelligent people are strong-minded and i think this is what's going on there he is a strong-minded person who wants to do things his way and some of the veteran teammates don't think maybe he's earned that that he should do more what the coaches say and not what Carson Wentz says.

So I think that's the gist of it. And it's sort of like a mixture of the people complaining are receivers who didn't get the ball because he was locked on to Zach Ertz. And it seems to me some team leaders who just want Carson Wentz to start paying attention to the coaches more and stop kind of like free-versing and doing his own thing in the pocket. I think in some cases it's a comparison to the leadership skills of Nick Foles, which they've dealt with now for multiple games in the biggest moments for most of the.

these Eagles players. And Nick Foles, by all accounts, you know, even in his press conferences, every time he speaks, it's like, Nick Foles really is a refreshing character out of, and he is, but it's like. Do they speak in that patronage? Well, no, but it is just like, it's like, I think, you know, landscape-wise, Nick Foles, that's his probably strongest trait and the reason another team will take a chance on him. But where does he get those leadership skills? It comes from failing and overcoming failure and then succeeding, and it's a long process. And Wenz hasn't had a chance to go through all that yet. He's still a young guy. Totally feel that way. And I think also, I like what he said. I mean, he's, he, if anyone were to come and critique me and say, listen, I saw you do this or I think this about you say, okay, but what the real bad things about me that you don't know are so much worse than what you just predicted about me. But, you know, Wentz knows that he's got a ways to go. And I think he's talking himself, call himself a type A guy. And when you're a type A guy, flaws come with that. It's also the mirror of some of your strengths. So I have no problem. You can look at every quarterback. Marcus Marriota, are we in love with his person?

that we see, I'm not, but it's like maybe... You're saying that he has a personality, which would... Right, like there's an absence of one to me, which I would want more in my quarterback. By the way, I like Carson once, that he said this. It shows self-awareness. All of us, we all have our flaws in where we could rub people the wrong way. Everybody does, and just his role as that QB won, the head of that franchise, not everyone's going to love you all the time.

I'm rooting for Carson once. I think it's been a tough year for him. Remember, that guy was the MVP favorite when his knee blew up. in December of 2017. I want to see him get back. Nick Foles, of course, is no longer in the Eagles plans. The NFL Network Insider, Ian Rappaport, reported Saturday

that the Eagles were expected to pick up that 2019 contract option for $20 million. They did, but then Foles had the option to void that and get out of the deal and become a free agent. He did that. So he has to give back the money hypothetically that he was given. I don't know if there was ever a transaction. Well, it tells you that he's in a different place

than he was a year. ago when he was perfectly content to stay with the Eagles and then maybe quarterback the first couple of the games of the season. And it sounds like now he just thinks, I know I'm one of the top 25 quarterbacks in the NFL and I want to leave my own offense. We will get more into Nick Foles a little bit later. It's $2 billion he had to turn over. I like I like the idea of like it's in a suitcase, like in Pulp Fiction and you open it up and it's the gold light. Something magical is in there. There needs to be him and Hallie Roseman maybe in that Poconos hideaway that he was banished to temporarily under Chip Kelly.

That's where they have to meet up. Yeah, you don't see a lot of men walking around with briefcases and suitcases anymore. So it's not like Big Lobowski wears the dirty laundry, the whites? That's it. That's right. All right. Moving on. Yes, we have finally all of the new head coaches are in place.

The Bengals announced Monday that Rams quarterback's coach, Zach Taylor will be their next head coach. Taylor will finally, finally be the man that's. succeeds Marvin Lewis, fired in January after 16 seasons. Taylor spent two seasons under Sean McVeigh. Obviously, Mark benefited from the McVe Shine that has really helped so many coaches in this league elevate their standing just by being attached. So here it is a new beginning for Cincinnati. But will things be any different? Well, I think they'll be very, very, very different from the way they look to us because you've got a completely different type of coaching stuff here. Marvin Lewis had, if anything else, extremely experienced people around

him. And I want to see how this goes. Zach Taylor has really only called plays for a brief stint when the, when the Dolphin staff blew up and he was playing an interim coordinator role. And his OC, and he's going to call plays there, but his OC has never called plays. He's the son of Bill Callahan, Brian Callan, has been a QB coach. And, you know, they went out. tried to get Jack Del Rio and Dom Capers to join as the so-called Wade Phillips Experience D.C., and both of them essentially turned the rule down.

We don't know exactly how that went, but Dom Capers, it's reported this morning. Are there a lot of defensive coordinator jobs open at this stage? If you turned out a job in early February, what does that say about what's going on in Cincinnati? I've spoken to several Bengals fans over the past week because I'm from there, and there are a few who live on,

who live on Tybee, and I would put their reaction to this higher as sort of a mixture between Gallo's humor and apathy, that like, wait, we got the guy who just called the plays, or who was in charge of the quarterback in the Super Bowl with three points. One of the worst offensive showings of all time. He's never called plays except at the University of Cincinnati full-time, and the little stint you said with Miami. So it's sort of like everybody just expects that, okay, Marvin Lewis has finally gone, and they waited years for that to happen, and now they bring in this guy nobody's ever

heard of, and they just kind of assume that the Bengals missed the boat on this. It's funny how much the Super Bowl plays into the coaches that come from the Super Bowl, because a year prior, you had Frank Reich, and you had John DiPhilippo, who was looked like the next big thing, and the Super Bowl had so much to do with that, and Frank Reich probably helped, he probably helped him get that job post what had the meltdown in Indianapolis because of the Super Bowl, and then Zach Taylor, by, you know, by comparison, looks a little bit like a suspicious higher. It's an interesting thought.

So you're saying, I mean, you might be suggesting, what if you waited until after the Super Bowl to actually make the decision? Do you have a couple more weeks' worth of data to base? I mean, we're going to talk about someone else who looks great coming out of the Super Bowl. Absolutely. One last note, this posted on the Bengals' Twitter account, Zach Taylor comes up to Andy Dalton and says, I've been following you since your days at TCU.

I've watched a ton of tape on you. sexy get that Dalton tape out well Marvin Lewis is an idiot oh I'm gonna miss that you know now I feel like now that he's gone I don't need to sit on that opinion for much longer should we retire the drop officially today feels like maybe this is the time I'd be willing to I think it's got to be timely and I don't I'm not sure that he's an idiot doing what he's doing he's probably going to replace like Al Riveron or something so maybe we should keep it in the chamber just in case but we could put it in temporary let's keep it around until we have more information. Yes, someone came out very well from the Super Bowl as Brian Flores, the Patriots defensive

coordinator, who along with Bill Belichick, cooked up a killer game plan that shut down the Rams in the Super Bowl. And a day later, what a week for this guy. He's introduced as the new head coach of the Miami Dolphins. It was his first season as the de facto DC for the Pats. And New England allowed less than 16 points a game in their final six games including all three playoff games. So it's the opposite. We talked a little bit about this

on the Sunday night Super Bowl show, but since my voice stopped working, I don't know if anybody actually understood what I was saying. But last year, Matt Patricia gives up 600 total yards in the Super Bowl and then the lines introduce them and you can imagine behind the scenes are like,

uh, did we make the right decision? The Dolphins, the totally opposite experience, who now must think that they have the next week. Wizard, Wes, on the sidelines to Coach D. I would say this about the difference between Matt Patricia and Brian Flores.

A beard. That is obvious. A bele. Yes. He was always the guy, Patricia was like the long-term right-hand man to Belichick on defense. And that seemed to be the reason why he was placed in this role where he would get interviews. Brian Flores interviewed with people after last season and impressed the hell out of them in those interviews. So he was a guy already talked about as it's a matter of when, not if this guy's going to get his own team

because he is that impressive as a leader of men. And then to go out and do it in the Super Bowl. And I don't care about parceling out the credit between him and Belichick. They did it together. And Belichick's busy during the game. At some point, Flores is calling those plays. I think he's earned it. And it's going to be interesting to see him bringing the wide receivers coach for the Patriots Chattos She as the play caller on offense to see how he does as well.

DC is also running a ton of meetings during the week and working individually with players in a way that the head coach often isn't. So his fingerprints are all over it. In other Dolphins news, Ryan Tannihill is a figure of mystery in Miami after years as the supposed franchise answer. It is now unclear where he will be in 2019.

And it's unlikely potentially to be the Dolphins at Miami's press conference on Monday. Dolvin's general manager, Chris Greer told reporters that while no decision has been made on Tannenhill just yet, the Dolphins will definitely consider selecting a quarterback in this year's draft. How high in the draft is not clear. Here's what Greer had to say. We haven't gone through the process of getting to learn the guys yet.

There are a lot of good prospects. We spent some time with at the Senior Bowl and other quarterbacks that weren't there that people were talking about as well. We may get through the process and fall in love with a couple of guys. Last year, we liked two guys a lot, and they both had good success this year. that was believed to be Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen. It could be that point

where we may say, hey, we feel this is the guy. It certainly sounds like, and we're hearing out there, West, that again, it seems like it happens every year now. It could be as many as four quarterbacks going in the first round. It seems like the Dolphins are ready to pounce on one of these young QBs.

All of the reports out of Miami, including one report from a reporter who has been known to have ties to the Dolphins owner suggest they fully intend to move on from Ryan Tannahill because he has a cap number that's over 20 million

and they don't think he's worth that right now. There's Armando Salgaro from the Miami Herald who has, you know, he goes out of his way to take care of the dolphins when they are not up to snuff and he's... That's the one with the ties to them. Yeah, he's a, he's someone of the guys I trust

and he basically wrote this piece that I thought was pretty interesting. He thought that the dolphins were setting the table to, in his words, doing an organic tanking, not like throw games, They are not, they've been big guys in free agency that they're going to go the exact opposite route. An organic tanking. That phrase is on my radar.

Well, that's fine. But they're going to dump Tanna Hill. They're not going to go after Foles. They're not going to go after Teddy Bridgewater. And they're basically, in theory, if it's not this year's draft class, they're trying to get the best quarterback in next year's track. Organic is like lipstick on a pig. Organic tanking? No, that's just tanking, bro.

It's called rebuilding. Like, that's a nice word to use. But if you decide to let go your, you know, efficient to OK quarterback, not go get anybody else and not sign anybody in free agency that could improve the team, there's nothing organic about it. It's just you're deciding to try to go 3 and 13. Don't try to sell it. Well, the only thing I would say, though, I would say more teams.

Who said that? More teams should do this because I will never be happier about anything than that O and 16 season that kept the Browns with the locked in at the number one pick in Baker Mayfield, versus you win two or three stupid games at the end of year and you're taking a defensive tackle while everyone else takes the quarterback. Well, I agree with that, but it's just the term. Okay.

Terms on the right. Would you rather have somebody say organic tanking or have Todd Bulls lie to you when you're obviously rebuilding and say we're not rebuilding? Well, we are of different minds of that. I think Todd Bowles was trying to win games. I think ownership and the front office were on a different page than the coach

who was trying to save his job. I still believe that. But they must they had to tell Brian Flores then this is the plan like you're you're good this year you're not going to be one and done one of one and done and that's the difference between Bowles and Flores was in the middle of that that whole mess Flores gets to come in on the ground floor that's a fair fair comparison all right fair breakdown in other news the Raiders what a mess in terms of their playing situation they won't be moving to Vegas until at least 2020 and they have an issue because things have really fallen apart in Oakland at, I always struggle with the name of that stadium. Oakland, Alameda. Alameda County Stadium. Anyone that lives in Alameda County, apologies. Anyway, things are going well with the Raiders and that facility.

And one option that popped up, where would the Raiders play in 2019 was the home of the San Francisco Giants, a beautiful ballpark, now called Oracle Park. That's gross. was a pack bell right which was a great name either what's wrong with oracle that sounds sort of i know but i hate when stadiums that especially ones that are well known like the popular stadiums change their name and it's like what the hell is an oracle park do not be smirched the name oracle in front of a great soothsayer like mark i could just think of a lot worse i mean there's a couple that are just like that doesn't that do not roll off the time now say what you

will about my beloved new york yankees but they have left billions on the table they're yankee stadium they're not going to change that these stadium names what's up with that corporations says man earning paycheck from nfl well yankees have a little bit more money than some of these other baseball teams if you want to get into that that's true just a tan they do very well financially anyway so the niners are not going to be playing though at oracle park uh rap sheet reported um the niners who are involved in this mess are not expected to waive their territorial rights for the raiders um and it leads to more kind of indecision here. The team will likely play in Oakland at Alameda County

or at Levi Stadium where the Niners play. So this situation, which is really grim up there, there's all the just indecision. It can't be fun as a Raiders fan or anybody connected to the franchise. Just uncomfortable. I'd say it's going to Levi's Stadium, but I still always feel with the Raiders

because if this were happening like in Pittsburgh, or Green Bay where it's like, we're leaving, but we're going to hang around Green Bay for the next two years. The Raiders fans feel to me, and come up with another, they're the one fan base that seems sort of like completely unaffected by this, where they still sell out games, and last year was an absolute abyss and a terrible watch from wire to wire, and I think they're going to do the same in Vegas. It's like you go to a sports bar in L.A., and there's more Raiders fans than Rams fans. These are the lost years for the Raiders.

I mean, next year is going to be miserable. They have a horrible team, and now they don't even know where they're going to play. This is like, just get us to Las Vegas already. Maybe that's why you sign, you know, Gruden to 10-year contract because it's got to be this all-in mentality. Yeah, maybe. And I'm ignorant, but I'm just guessing the reason the Niners would block playing at the Giants facility but host in their own building

is just the revenue that would come from those home games. Just, I guess. Otherwise, why would they block that? It's also a weird look because you were the team that played in Kansas. Annalistic Park for so long. And now you'd be your, you know, Levi State and we know from that Super Bowl trip is not exactly like a one stop away from North Beach in San Francisco. No, nice, uh, ref trying to make up for your lack of Bay area.

Yeah, that was nice. Geography. That shows that you really get the region when you mention North Bay. North Beach. In there a few times. The Falcons are making some moves. They made their run to the Super Bowl. Ended tragically.

Uh, could not get back. to the big game in the past two years. Now there's changes coming to the roster. Some guys that have been around for a long time. We'll start with cornerback Robert Alford, the 30-year-old defender is being let go. Mike Garifolo reported he was due $8.5 million in 2019. It saves the Falcons almost $8 million in cap space.

The Falcons in an era or in his season where so many teams are flush with cash and the salary cap keeps going up. They are in trouble on the salary cap. They have projected just about 14 million. So they need to free up some space. And to do that, they will also say goodbye to Matt Bryant, the forever kicker. And Brooks Reed, the defensive end pass rush.

Brooks Reed, also being let go, Matt Bryant, who wants to play and play in 18th season. But after 10 years, the Falcons are saying goodbye to him as well. That saves almost $3 million against the cap. So the Falcons, it looks like Wes, after what was really disappointing, year they want to make some changes to their roster and they have to get creative because they don't have a lot of money to do it. These are the kind of guys that get caught in the analytics movement where the NFL says we don't pay our middle class. So veterans who are, you know, borderline progress stoppers, which all of these guys are, we can get a young player to

approximate their production and pay them a lot less money and that will allow us to go out and buy free agents, make trades, or at least have the leeway to do that. One note on Robert Alfred. He's the one who met with us after the Falcons beat the Rams in that playoff game. Right. And he was on the up and up. Very healthy. A lot of good seasons with the Falcons.

And since speaking with us, last year he went out and out of 32 players on the Falcons defense rated by Pro Football Focus was ranked 28. So my takeaway is for all the players that spoke with us at Super Bowl Week, prepare yourself for what might be a down year. Because I would blame us for that. We also talked to Robert Woods at the L.A. Colise. after the divisional playoffs. And let's be honest, he didn't have a huge Super Bowl. Just saying it had the best year of his career. He did until.

Until? And then it's from here on out. Uh-oh. We're not allowed to say this. I don't even know if I should say this, but it's so annoying to me that I'm not, I can't keep it inside. A star player in the NFL declined or got out of a scheduled interview with the around the NFL podcast at the Super Bowl, citing an over.

overwhelming nature of too many of us and only one of him. Now, did that man, you know, I can't say I respect much anymore, he was, you know, did that individual, that football player know the curse? If he did, I suddenly give him a lot of credit. Yeah, that's great. Now I can't get mad at it. You know, he actually didn't cancel the interview. He said he didn't want to speak to any of us, but he would speak to someone else

who he recognized from television. Right. We can't say anything else. are we in the clear arc as long as we don't get too specific i guess i don't even know who it is but i have a good guess after the way you described it all right that's what's happening uh in the news do you have any more of uh frances i would love to hear just a little bit more in mike on the topic they and everybody around me including the women around me who were waiting for the halftime show said oh was that terrible nobody liked it gladys night big ovation

The girls before them who sang the American Beautiful Big Ovation Rune 5 Keep your shirt on And keep your day job That he was That was terrible I mean that was bad

All right Here we go Did you like the halftime show Erica What did you think of it It was okay It wasn't Justin Timberlake My one thing is It's you know what you're

You know what Maroon 5 is they gave you exactly what they are. So hire someone else to do it. Like were they different than how Maroon 5 normally is? No, it's the same. So they did their job. On Saturday night, I saw Foo Fighters, the DirecTV party. They have a ton of respect in the industry.

Everybody loves like their brand of rock. They'd be perfect halftime show. But it just seems like there's not enough communication. Speaking of Justin Timberlake, Ricky, you came on the throwback podcast that just went live today, Thursday. Oh, yeah. where we broke down the seminal 2006 album Future Sex Love Sounds. That's right.

With Bob and myself. So check that out. What was Eric's drink of choice in the garage? Nothing, actually. I was doing sober January. It was the worst mistake I've ever made in my life. Not only did she not drink liquor. And the old Zusser had a few Vagas, had a couple pops.

We got some Fiji water. We got her fancy water. She declined that too. He had them all set up on his bar. It looked very pretty. And he was like, look, I got this Fiji water. And I was like, Dan, like your little mini bar looks so cute with these Fiji waters. Like, leave them.

It was for you, though. That's so nice. And I said, if you really want me to drink it, I 100% will drink it. But I just figured for the next girl you, like, lock in the garage, she might need Fiji water, you know? By the way, next time you're on the show, Aquafina for you. All right, here we go. Offseason storylines worth tracking. And one's to fast forward.

This is fun. So, Mark, yes, you are a type of man when it comes to the NFL. If you could fast forward a lot of things you would. But let's start off with one that you would not, something you like and you're into. I would not fast forward the every year you get that surprise trade that kind of blows people away. And even in our newsroom sometimes when the people across the room get the first wire transmission and it starts to spread and spread. And we find out what it is and everyone's chattering. Then there's always the guy who 10 minutes later is like, oh my God, did you?

It's like, you're an idiot. Bro, we all know. We're in a newsroom, you fool. I think it's going to be, I had to guess. I have this feeling that Derek Carr is going to be shipped out of town in a trade because there are, even though what you consider all these like quarterbacks out there that people can chase after, I could see someone buying in a car in a different way than say Joe Flacco age-wise and stuff and making a compelling argument in their own organization

to wheel and deal with the Raiders who I still feel like are looking to cut deeper on their roster. Organically? Organically. And then they have the number four pick. You can get one. There are, I think, legitimately, three quarterbacks out there that could go high. And if you had Gruden.

You do it a little draft prospect? I think if Gruden fell into one of these, it fell for one of these guys, then I don't know. Maybe Derek Carr and Gruden got along much better than we realized. Some people, the recent reports, it said that you don't realize how well that they work together. That's fine. that feels very February-ish to me, but we'll find out.

Some surprise trade. I felt like he improved throughout the season with John Gruden, and by the end of the season, John Gruden was raving about him. So it'll be interesting to see how much of that early season, you know, speculation that he's out of there versus the late season kind of mending offenses, which one wins out? The Raiders, just as a reminder, have the fourth overall pick. Mention that, but it's good to refresh that knowledge for the...

Yeah, just in case you missed it. they pick fourth overall Cardinals 1, Niners 2, Jets 3 Raiders 4, bucks 5 Who in that group needs a quarterback? Nobody before the Raiders. But I do think

there is ripe trade-up scenarios going on there. Absolutely. I could see that happening. I think, yeah, to your point, where does car end up, that's fun to track. Where does where do the potential trades happen?

in the draft teams that are desperate to move up. That's always fun. I'll throw one out there because it's another quarterback. Nick Foles is free agency. I am I'm really fascinated to see what kind of market this dude ends up commanding because there are two ends of the spectrum the way I see it, reading the tea leaves of where we're at and free agency coming off 2018. Is he going to be case more case Keenum or more Kirk Cousins?

and a case can be made that he'll probably end up somewhere right in the middle, I think. But would it be crazy because there's so many teams that need a quarterback, teams like the Dolphins, the Broncos, the Raiders, the Redskins, all those types of teams. And then a mystery team that has fallen in love with what they saw from Nick Foles in the playoffs the last two years that could drive up the market. Could Nick Foles end up getting Kurt Cousins money, which is, as we know, I'm kind of blanking on it now. what was it, three years for...

It's like 90 million guaranteed. 90 million, all guaranteed. I call it too much. Could Nick Foles end up commanding something in that realm and what teams are going to go hard from? I know everyone is connecting him to the Jaguars right now, and that makes a ton of sense, obviously. But don't be surprised if he ends up going somewhere

where not everyone kind of expects. And that will be fun to watch. What do you guys think about Foles in his market and who could be the leader in the clubhouse? I do think he's going to get closer to Cousins money than Case Keenum. I think that... What a gamble that would be. He proved it two years in a row.

And I think when you hear the way his coaches and teammates speak about him, I no longer think of him as a guy who's a product of their system like I did a year ago. I think of him now as a field general, a guy who can go to wherever they have talent and win. So I could see him going to like Jacksonville and winning. I mean, Ian Rappaport mentioned last. month and he thought it was a very real possibility that the Eagles still go the route of franchising him so they can direct where he goes and working with him too because if you lose him in free agency it sounds like next year's draft you'd get like about a third round compensatory pick so you wouldn't want to trade him for anything lower than that but you could also make sure and I there's two NFC East teams which need a quarterback and you want to keep them out of your division and everyone sort of says well why are we assuming Jacksonville it's hard they're aren't that many teams that need a quarterback.

It's not like years past where there are like 10 teams reshuffling under center. Jacksonville makes a lot. Deep Filippo's there too. I mean, assuming they have a good relationship, there's just a need there that he would fit. It's funny, too, like when you mentioned that, there are less teams that seem to be on the hunt. Just the fact for the first time in decades, you kind of take the Jets and Browns out

of it who are always, oh, you could have those teams in there. They're always going to be looking for a quarterback and then you pepper in five or six others. It's a smaller group this year. So we'll see where Nick Falls ends up. I'm looking forward to tracking that West. What are you looking forward to tracking? Well, I was going to say what do the Jaguars do at quarterback,

but we already covered that. So I will say headlock watch, how the New York media handles the inevitable clashing between Adam Gase and Greg Williams. One of them's going to have the other in a headlock at some point this off season. That is true. Wait, so but you're looking forward to that. that. I thought you don't like the New York. No, this one's delicious.

Okay, that is good. This one is delicious. And I'm waiting for it. Did you hear that there's already drama? No. Oh, Wes. We already got something cooking. Greg Williams has a son.

I think he was in hard knocks. I think we saw him. He was calling the plays for the Brown's defense at the end of the year. Blake Williams, I believe he says, Mm-hmm. Blake, apparently, when Greg got hired by the Jets, he said, I want to bring on my son onto the staff. The Jets hesitated on it because

apparently Blake rubs some people the wrong way. I wonder where he could have learned such a thing. And that led to Greg being like, yo, come on, bro. Let me put my son on the team. He's my, the coach that has the most potential that I've ever, it's ever been on my staff. And the Jets eventually relented.

And they're like, all right, you could put Blake on the team. But already, this was according to Rich Simeini of ESPN, there was a little bit of heat between the Jets and Greg Williams. And yes, Adam Gase, who apparently doesn't take Guff behind the scenes. Imagine if Blake and Greg start acting up, Greg with three Gs, and then Gase, and he's got those eyes firing. He's all angry. Yes. There could be a steel chair involved in some point.

Steel chairs, headlocks. There could be a suplex off the second turn buckle. I am obviously concerned about the potential for the circus coming to town. There's no way as a Jets fan. Your heads in the sand if you don't think that this potentially could be risky. But again, is the rarest of Jets fans, the optimistic. one, I kind of like gays. The Greg Williams thing, I understand it could be volcanic.

And I'm concerned. As you should be. All right. How about one we want to fast forward? Mark? Well, for me, the obvious, let me give you two quick ones. Because one is anything to do with Brown's over hype. I just want to get to September because I would just say it's not, it's an uncomfortable place where they're probably going to get too many primetime games.

And to me, they were a team that were eighth in turnover differential. positively last year, and I don't see that continuing. And I just think you have to be patient that maybe not everything is suddenly perfect. And we have Tom Brady. Speaking specifics here, what are you not looking forward to? What I'm not looking forward to is essentially every time you turn on like the draft coverage is like, well, the Browns did a really nice job last year. How are they going to follow up this year?

And they've got obviously their quarterback for the future. There's too much pretty talk. And I start to get paranoid that's something wrong. Oh, you're talking about the Brown. I thought you're talking about the Steelers. No, the Browns. Oh, the Browns. Yes, that was my first one. The second one is anything to do with the Steelers at all because we, I cannot believe we are going to.

Did you hear Steelers at the beginning of this or am I going crazy? Didn't you start by talking about the Steelers? No, no, never. No, never. I apologize. Go ahead, Mark. I mean, it's just another small bit of proof that Dan is not listening to anything I'm saying at all. You know, Charlie Brown with the parent stock?

It's like, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, well, excellent. I think Dan was fully expecting you to say I did not want to hear anything about Antonio. Brown, I don't want to hear about Levi-on-Bed. That is my other strong feeling because I just, for me, I get the Antonio Brown thing, but it's already excessively tiresome with, because we just, we don't need, we don't need to know, figure out what you're going to do and do it. And if it's going to be another team, make it happen. I don't need five weeks of speculation every time anyone talks about it, bang, it's news.

But Levy on Bell, the amount of coverage we're going to spend on a player who willingly did not play a snap of football last year, I don't need that at all. Don't need it. I think he's obviously going to get paid a ton of money. People are saying he'd get Todd Gurley money. I know my jets are potentially involved. I'm nervous about Levi-on-Bel taking a year off and maybe not being quite as explosive as he was the last time we saw him

when he was with the Steelers. Is he going to all of a sudden step back in and be the 24-year-old Levy on Bell? We remember the Antonio Brown thing. I do disagree with you. He's a little bit insufferable, Brown, with the shenanigans. He's not my favorite player in the league. But one thing that's undeniable, the past six years, six years he's averaged 114 catches, 1,520 yards, 11 TDs every year average over the last six years. And you can argue, West, that this is the most impactful free agent to hit the market

if that ends up happening, whether it's through trade or through free agency since Peyton Manning. Like, he is that special and he's still in his prime. So to me, that'll be exciting to watch because wherever he goes, he transforms the offense. I could not, I mean, disagree with that at all. Of course, he would be the number one impact player changing teams. It's more my, where I

get into it is, I don't need any of this Hamlet routine from the Steelers. That's right. That's right. You're not. Like, we already saw it with Big Ben however many years ago when he was supposedly gone and they were getting rid of him. Right. And then he's right back where he was. You don't need another Rooney

magazine interview where he no waxes on whether they can make it work as a family i don't i don't mess with the runies they are class acts they run a great operation i just don't want to hear about their hamlet thing going on i got you i like that the hamlet thing willie we're wanting so dan the first part that i was talking about was the browns yeah and the second part was about the pitts yeah and i apologize no it's okay just like step on it no it's okay and to your browns commentary i get why you would feel that way because so everyone and their brother is going to pick the browns to win the a fc north It's just impossible.

It's unavoidable. And for the first time, Mark, in your fandom, in like 20 years, or maybe more, quite frankly, maybe 35 years, they're going to be seen as a favorite in their division, which seems a little crazy, but I get the optimism. How are you doing, by the way, Baker Mayfield canceling on us on our NFL.com Super Bowl show. Kind of over everything that happened at the Super Bowl at this point. I think we talked about this, but literally two minutes. minutes before we were about to be live with Baker and Mayfield, we found out he wasn't going to join us. And I saw the light go out in Mark's eyes. Yeah, with the bigger issue, I had to examine this. Like, my more, um, irritant, the bigger irritant there was that I didn't get like that

selfie with him. That would have like been a huge part of my Instagram feed. You know, I don't know, the interviews, fine. There was even talk to the point where he would be stage left or stage right. How would Mark maneuver with his mic and his ear set on to get to Baker? And you had like, this is, for the first time we got a little bit of like good you know real um talent treatment i thought at the super bowl this year where if we had an issue there would be like two too many people like joining the conversation to see how can we help like when i came down with a cold two people came up to me and all of a sudden i had like two vials of medication sent to my hotel well that one girl's like you must be taking elderberry and i took it i don't think it was very nice she's extremely

she's also correct and then and then with mark mark was like i hope i get us selfie with Baker. And then, like, three people surged over and started, like, drawing up, like, a blueprint about how we can make it work on the stage. But they all, you know one, one thing about that, like, you have your ranking of people you work with. They all shot up my ranking. Absolutely. With each attempt to help, they're like, they are shooting into my top 10, my top five. They're now my one, two, three. Feels good to be loved. They've ever taken me, Dan and Greg. Oh, I mean, you guys couldn't care less than that happened. They were like, we're going to make this happen. Uh, David Singer was a huge help. What a good guy, David Singer.

All right, I want to fast forward Gronk's retirement decision and it's not just because I don't like the Patriots. It's more that like, Gronk, let's face it, he doesn't know what nine times seven is. But he has a team that is very savvy. They run

the Grank brand like it's a Fortune 500 company. So whatever this decision will be, whether Gronk returns for his age 30 season or not, it will be done with maximum leverage in mind, maximum marketability whether it's a primetime special or an appearance on SNL or this or that or a slim gym ad campaign.

There's going to be a whole circus around it, I think, either way. And it's probably a Players Tribune essay. I imagine that will be in the mix. He's going to write an essay? No, some post-grad intern that's on the Grank staff will write it, of course. But one thing I do know also is that whatever it happens, whether he retires and frees up cap space and the Patriots make a move or he stays with the team and his body ends up being as healthy as ever.

It's going to work out perfectly for the Patriots. So just tell me what it's going to be back or not back and spare me all the Hamlet routine. You don't need the procession and the ribbons and... A lot of Hamlet routines this offseason and every offseason. Anything else, Wes, you got one? I do. I really racked my brain on what exactly would be the height

of like me getting so angry that I throw my hat across the room and then send off like an angry message on our text chain. Right. And here it is. How are Aaron Rogers and Matt LaFleur getting along? Has Matt LaFleur earned Aaron Rogers Trust and the corollary? Is Bruce Ariens going to unlock James Winston's talent? Like how is that relationship going, no!

When the game starts, then we'll know. I don't want to hear any of this. You're not a psychiatrist, the reporters. You're not an expert on the relationship. I don't want to hear any of it until September and October. I mean, you would have to kidnap roughly 400 to 500 beat writers and television people to silence that. Those two tedious media war cries. Let's see when the games happen, how the relationship is going.

It's every year. There's always some new coordinator slash coach and some quarterback that's never reached this potential. And it becomes very sturdy, the headline. I'm thinking back to Chicago a few years. ago with Adam Gase and Jay Cutler. You could go through the years. There's always going to be that one subplot. And this year, we've got a couple.

Yeah. Like, you can't possibly know the answer, so why even try to speculate? Anybody else? I'm good. I don't need, by the way, I don't need the Giants plan of attack with Eli thing either. Right. I can tell you exactly what's going to happen. They're not going to go get one of these guys on the market because they're probably going to be around the same as

what Eli would give them at this stage. And they're probably not going to take a first round pick for a quarterback. So they'll probably take a second or third rounder. If Eli bombs, they'll put in the second or third rounder. And when he doesn't quite come around immediately, if he doesn't, they'll organically tank and probably end up with that Clemson kid in 2020. I can totally see it because like the Patriots, everything seems these teams that are in my orbit as a human being, the Patriots and the Giants, these are the teams where things tend to work out.

watch the Clemson kid be on the Giants in two years. I can see that. I got another one. Yep. All right, Cowboys. We don't need your Hamlet routine with Sean Lee like we got with Des Bryant last year. Either cut him or don't. Yeah, I'm totally with you on that.

Sean Lee, the writing's on the wall. We know he's not the future. Why don't you send him free? We'll just do it right now. If he love him, set him free. Oh, we're going to designate him a post-June first. No, just get rid of the man. The only positive.

Give him his freedom. The only positive is that no matter how annoying that got, it could never possibly be more annoying than how the whole Des Bryant thing went down. Okay, we'll see. It cannot get worse than that. And I feel bad for Des. And he was one of my favorite players in his prime. The constant does injury updates.

Who's going to give him a chance to sign? I don't necessarily need that, but I do like Des. So that was just a connected. Spare me the Hamlet routine. All right. that's it good talk uh let's save this sandit property property cap until gregg gets back uh let's welcome to the studio here um a giant of the industry and i mean that just physically um nick shook there he is ohio state pull over sweatshirt uh we learned uh while we were at uh super bowl that nick had taken a job with his favorite team in the the world the Cleveland Browns where he'll be a content creator of some kind he's going to clear it up right now what exactly he'll do with the Browns but he's leaving us we're sad but also happy

for him Nick Shook welcome one more time to the around the NFL podcast this is a Lisa's an employee here yeah this is the first time I've sat in Greg's chair small space he's got over here it's fine it's perfect he manages it's perfect for him shook you're you're joining the round you're moving back to ohio uh congratulations uh what what prompted the decision uh well uh as many of you know i'm i'm not a full time employee here and uh they're not great with that no that's it's kind of a struggle at times and uh so you know obviously uh always looking for an opportunity to continue to develop and grow and all those catch you know all those buzzwords and catchphrases and everything else but you know sincerely and uh came across this opening and

you know, kind of pursued it and interviewed and was off of the job and happily accepted. You know, it's my team I grew up rooting for. And as you guys know, through me and Mark's painful segments last year and less painful segments this year have struggled with for years. And it's a perfect situation, I think, and a great fit. It was a staff writer opening. I'll be doing I'll be a digital content coordinator, which is more than just a staff writer. And so I'll be get my hands at a little bit of everything, but also covering the team on a day-to-day basis, working from inside the facility for the team,

for ClevelandBrowns.com, doing, you know, radio, podcasting, all that kind of stuff. That's awesome. Well, as writing, and it'll be a lot of fun. Wes, do you think this settles the debate internally about who is the bigger Browns fan? Shook v. Sessler, yes or no?

I don't think it settles it because I've read marks what can be termed, literally love letters to his favorite organization, the long forms, and if that is an evidence of, like, fanatical psychosis involving loving a football team. I mean, it's a window open, it's a window into a mind of somebody who truly does obsess and love this team. It's organic. So, Nick, I mean, I know you're working for them, but I don't think you've overtaken Mark yet. That's fine.

I'll take a second. It's a significant step, though. You've taken a major step in that competition if it is one. because now like every time you know I tried to and I had a few people here and there close to the team that I could attempt

to get information from and I can't do that with Nick but if like if any time I and that happens they're just going to get them up all the time publicly I would never acknowledge that

here's the question shook the Browns have that great facility in Berea I mean it's it is built on an ancient Indian burial ground so be careful with that you got to wear

one of those bone necklaces. You'll be safe. But I'm sure they have an incredible gym, as all NFL facilities do. Do you have access to their workout? So here's the thing. They used to, from what I understand, they used to, oh, yeah. Oh. Ew.

Let's let this ride. We don't need to let it ride. We should have recorded this with me in the gym. You'd hear a lot more, you know. Breathing is important to lifting weights. That guy's doing it wrong. But no, from what I understand, they used to allow their employees to use the same weightlifting facility as the team

and decided when they renovated the building in the last few years to build an employee gym. And it's very nice. I stepped through it when I was on the tour and it was a big selling point for me. You're going to stay yoked? Of course. Imagine Shook going into a job interview.

I mean, so impressive physically. It's like, are you here for the football side or you're doing... Statute.com. I mean, he's built his body into a god-de-bri statue. Go ahead. No, I was just going to say, we are really happy for you, Nick. And you did amazing work for us filling in whenever we needed a hand with extra eyes. And you're so good watching the game. And you get the game and you get the offensive line. You love the trench warfare, which is not enough people that really are into that stuff. So the Browns are very lucky. And And we lost a good one.

And Shucky. Thank you. I appreciate it. And the softball. This proves the Browns are getting better at evaluating talent. I was going to say, like, do you know the Pretender's song? I went back to Ohio, but my city was going. It's a pretty famous song.

And before this year, that would have been my takeaway. You know, you're going back to Ohio and your city is gone. But it's been resurrected, buddy. You're getting in at the right time. Yeah, that's what everybody says, right? It's the same two comments everybody makes, which is good, which means A, your brand is on point because everybody mentions the bod and then they also say it's a perfect time to go work for this team and that's the vibe I got when I was there so I'm very excited awesome Nick best of

luck let's stay in touch hopefully we'll see you at all the big tent pole events oh we'll be in oh yeah and also before we go just the happy trails to Camelina who lot easy show you got to breathe in through the nose out through the mouth you Camelina who is been such a great help to us working behind the scenes, helping Erica with all sorts of production duties. He made the mistake of stepping to Erica at certain points and challenging her authority. And you could read between the lines here.

One reason. Why he's no longer with the company. And now he's buried under a giant stadium. Exactly. Next to Jimmy Hoffa. But Cameron Molina, he's a great dude. He did great for work with us. He has a better voice than any of us.

So he's probably going to end up on this side of the. eventually, I would guess. But I hope Cam comes back, another victim of some of the hiring practices here and the difficulty getting a full-time job. He deserves one who hope Cam comes back because he was a great lift to the show as well. This is like our free agency. We're losing one of our great fill-in side-tasked guys and Nick. We're losing Cam.

I mean, we're next year's Jaguars. We do clear a lot of cap room with Shook. You got a lot of room to spend now. All right, there you go. Shook goes off into the sunset. and we will be back with another show on Monday. We're back to three times a week next week. So check us out on Monday, Wednesday and Friday

with a Twitter show every week as well. Dan Hansa's signing off for Quiet Storm. The mailman, Nick Shook, head into Cleveland, put him on a mural on a big side of a building. In Ricky Hollywood, behind the glass. Till Monday. Hey, Hey, everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here.

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