NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Early free agency predictions

Episode Date: February 14, 2017

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Chris Wesseling & Gregg Rosenthal – discuss all the latest news from around the NFL including the Giants releasing veteran wide receiver Victor Cruz, and the Raiders giving head coach Jack Del Rio a 4-year contract extension. Then, the heroes look ahead to free agency with some early predictions on which players will be given a franchise tag, and which players may be switching teams in 2017.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast. Lived long enough to see Greg become the villain. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg. Rosenthal, what's up, boys? Hey, Dan.

Sometimes those money drops pop up, and I don't know where they came from. That one seemed a bit. cutting almost, but I don't think it came from this room. So you start to wonder, where did it come from? It's amazing. I said it early on in this podcast history that that's my favorite part of the podcast. And that remains true, four and a half years in. Yeah, I love it.

When the shout out. With faint praise. When the shout out is about you, that's what it needs to be. Well, it called me a villain. No, I always, I always, I always loved it. Your favorite part of the podcast is something that you have farmed out to the listeners and that Matt Money Smith does, and you have nothing to do with it. Just that it rotates each time, just the whole premise of it,

and just I like it, it sounds good, it sounds official, it's ours. Yeah, we did it. This is the Monday edition of the Around the NFL podcast taped February 13, 2017. Wes is wearing his man cannon. So that's how you know, despite it being the offseason, we're taking this very seriously. I think it was just hanging in my closet. and it was ready to go.

Don't undersell your decision to wear it today. It was the perfect day to wear it. And let's, Greg, this is not a shot at you. First of all, good job on your NFL network hit. That's NFL Network's Greg Rosenthal. It's gotten to the point where Greg is taping these hits seconds before. He's going straight from the studio to the podcast studio, the television studio, the podcast studio.

And he started to think, and I just tweeted this thought, is he squeezing in the network hit before the podcast, or did he squeeze it in the podcast after the network hit? Very different. Greg? I don't think that I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. The show, first of all, is one to two. It's off the air, too, so it works out beautifully.

That's when we're taping. Have you reached the point where you have handlers who rush you from one segment to another? No, because if I got trench coat over Greg so no one spots him, none of his fans. If I had handlers, they would have noticed my tie. I wasn't straight, apparently. Ooh. There's someone on Twitter. But no, the point I was, I was intending to make just now, Greg, was, you know,

it's been eight days since the Patriots won their fifth Super Bowl. Yeah. NFL Network. And there's a whole floor of people that make a lot more than us that made the decision last week to put 90 plus hours. I'm not exaggerating of Patriots content on NFL Network. And I guess it made sense. But then I come to work today. Monday, eight days later, after a weekend spent with my family.

And, you know, we could start spinning forward as a nation from another Patriots Glory Fest. And today on NFL Network is, and I'll quote here, I heart the Patriots Day on NFL Network, another 10 plus hours of programming. Even for you, Greg, you have to be getting a little sick of all this. No. I mean, who doesn't want to see John Madden tell the Patriots for the 75th time not to drive down the field when they get the ball with no timeouts in a minute and a half to go in the Super Bowl against the Rams.

Who doesn't want to see Troy Brown going across the field to set up the field goal? Well, thousands upon thousands of people don't want to see that. But you were truly getting truly giddy watching it. Greg was, I looked at, well, you can only really see Greg's from the top of his eyes to the top of his head from where I sit. But I heard a little giggle about watching that final drive. We got back to lunch, yeah, right before it. Very happy about, you know, a game that, you know, kicked off one of the most amazing fan streaks of anyone in the entire building, yours.

Madden did botch that. A minute and a half left. Absolutely. He called himself out, though, by the way. I want to say he called himself out. He said, actually, I'm starting to rethink this, but he didn't say, like, I'm an idiot or anything. You know, he's a legend, but that one he got wrong. They had 90 seconds, no timeouts of the ball throw on 17 and against a heavily favored Rams team.

And Madden told 105 million people. watching at home that the Patriots should sit on the ball and take this to overtime. And of course, that was not the right decision because he didn't realize that Charlie Weiss was on the sideline. Was that who it was? That we should give credit.

That is correct. He was the play. How about giving credit to Tom Brady? One play, I forgot. The first play of that drive, he avoids a sack moving in the pocket very well. Kind of the opposite of the Matt Ryan taking the sack play.

Avoid the five-yard loss, gets five yards. Otherwise, they don't even try that drive. Not John Madden's finest moment, but also should be pointed out how much football has changed. That was accepted wisdom in 2001. That one minute is not enough time to go all the way down the field. And since then, Tom Brady himself has done it so many times.

Also, the game played on AstroTurf, a very hard-looking AstroTurf at the Superdome and not in HD. So time, times change. Big show today. A big show is sponsored, of course, by Mr. Flames' economics class in the Hague, the Netherlands. And if you were listening to the end of our last show, you heard about a debt economist that was nicely eulogized by both Mark and Mr. I mean, is that how we phrased that?

He just passed away. What? It was a very, you know, I thought Mr. F provided, you know, perfect context for someone that I didn't realize was this important. It was a nice little random thing at the end of our podcast. I think a dead economist feels a little chilly in terms of summing up, you know, the whole thing.

There's more to it than that. I didn't mean it like that. I know you didn't, but there we go. I'm sorry. What was this? Don't apologize to me. Hans Rosling. Actually, I would say that more,

and there must be a wide berth of people to listen to the show because a lot of tweets about that. And to be honest, he was not on my radar a year ago. I had no idea who he was. So some people. Well, not, yeah, but people must love economics. The Rosbaum. People with money love economics.

We don't have any. The rosin bag, I called him. That is also inappropriate. Is it? All right. I mean, it's, yes, it is. I don't want to lose our sponsor, so I'm going to stop. Because you're making it seem like I'm making light of the man's untimely passing.

Well, that is exactly what you seem to be doing. I'm not sure that's what you are doing. On today's show, we will start. We will spin forward, even if our own network cannot, and look ahead to the 2017 season. And specifically, Greg Rosenthal, you wrote a banger. I read it right before it came up. Your franchise tag primer, which you do.

annually on NFL.com. And I was curious, and I'm sure you did it going back to your Rodo World Days and PFT days as well, because I know the way Greg operates. You have your little columns that you like to line up. Yeah, I think I did it at PFT for sure. How did you do last year? There were 10 people franchised?

How did you do last year? I'm just not to put you on the spot. I have no idea. Okay. He got three. I'd have to go luck. But you have nine, you have predicted nine players will be tagged that the window opens tomorrow and ends

April 1st? March 1st, I believe. So we will break down who is likely to be tagged and who will not be tagged. You might get some surprises there and also one of the big features of the offseason for the around the NFL group, of course, is the top, is it 99 or is it 101?

Depends on the year and the players involved. Okay. 99. It used to be 101, but now I think programming told us they couldn't fit that on there anymore. Which is a wild reason to cut it down to two spots. But the top 99 free agents, that piece from, it's a jam written by both Greg and West lands a few weeks from now. But we're going to at least, you know, touch on some free agents to be that might not be tag.

We'll get into it a little bit. We're spinning forward. You can't keep us. We can't be in Patriots Wonderland forever. That's what this podcast is. is about spinning out of the Wonderland. I mean, we just spent four and a half minutes discussing Rams, Patriots from Y2K. But before we do that, we will check in on the news.

And to do that, she is the first lady of the Around the NFL podcast. I think about her all the time. She's new money. Hey, guys. Hi, praise there. Yeah. Almost a little bit too much praise, right? Right on the line.

Yeah. How are you doing? I'm doing great. You're ready to go home. You said to us before the show, tough day. It's been a long Monday. I, yeah, long weekend, but still, I just wasn't quite ready for that Monday, that Monday grind. I feel you.

Any Disney trips this past weekend? Oh, you know it. Wow. It's wild. How many times? Well, we've got, like, a crew. I have a Disney squad that I go with. Squad goals.

Yeah, exactly. I just read that they up the admission. I saw this on Twitter before the show to Disney at a cool $107 for one day. Just in time for my sons to come of age. Perfect. Yes. I mean, so you've got some cash, obviously. This new money thing is not completely a fable.

Right. It's all going right to Mickey Mouse. All of it's right there. Your squad goals are simply to go to Disney as many times as possible. What is the number would you say if you had to estimate how many times you've gone to Disneyland? In my life? Yes. Oh, that number has become astronomical at this point. Just say it.

I've gone almost every week since I moved back this year. So since. It's amazing. Since August, almost every week. Is it? I have not. never been. Have you gone to Disneyland a hundred times? I don't know if it's

quite at 100. Probably close to 50 though. We need to do a Sydney Disneyland podcast. I like that. We need a long form on this. Yeah, long form. Really break it down. Hey, let's do some news, Sid. Yeah. Greg is just flabbergasted, by the way. Greg is like, get to my column already. No. No.

I'm holding my tongue. Sosa time in Big D. Victor Cruz with another. Translation. Greg wants to say something really cruel and willing to do the wonderful sydney i'm not alone and being confused about the Disneyland thing and i'm in there are some things in life you just aren't going to understand i'm going to do some research about this i'm going to find out why sydney loves Disneyland so much and i will report this because i am the around the NFL media insider

a t a media inside inside deck hands on hand to the suits Get him. This is the worst subplot that this podcast has ever, and it's not embraced. Anything that has ever touched us, this is the ugliest subplot yet. When you break wide open, you break the Tom Brady's jersey was stolen, you need to leverage that. And I did that and spinning off into a new career, which is being a media insider. And when I break the Sydney story, you're going to thank me for that drop. well i'll assume that i will let's start with the new york giants who have made a decision that

no doubt makes chris wessling extremely happy on this monday the team announced monday that they have released victor cruz NFL networks kimberly jones citing a source close to the receiver said cruise was doing quote okay upon hearing the news okay uh but victor cruz is a player of course undrafted out of UMass, who became one of the most important players on the Giants offense for several years played a huge role in their Super Bowl, 46 victory in the road to get to that game against the Patriots. But after a knee injury, suffered in the 2014 season, he missed about a year and a half, came back this year, made some plays, but was not the same player.

And now they say goodbye to Victor Cruz. Most likely, Chris Wessling, you had an issue, Wes, all throughout. the past year or so with the amount of coverage Victor Cruz got. But you're a man of the, you're a common man. You position yourself that way. I don't position yourself that way. This player, this man, Victor Cruz, is an underdog tail of a common man rising up to become a star. And I feel like he should be celebrated.

Absolutely. I can't disagree with. The only thing I disagree with is that it's been way longer than a year that I've had a problem with Victor Cruz. Okay. That he, from 2011 till week six of 2014. team when he tore his Patelartend, only Megatron and Brandon Marshall had more 100-yard games than Victor Cruz. He was the best slot receiver in the NFL for a two-year period.

That guy should be celebrated. He's a big factor in their 2011 Super Bowl win too. But that guy's been gone for three years now. That's my only point. He probably won't have a huge market, Mark, right? He's 30 years old. I imagine he'll catch on somewhere, but anything beyond a training camp invite, I would think, that's all you can really guarantee you.

Yeah, not a huge market and probably much closer to the ladder. I mean, he had a couple moments last season where he made some key catches for the Giants, but I don't know how you can invest a lot of money in someone that's just been so unreliable from a health standpoint. The odds on him being on a 53-man roster in week one. Give us a percentage. 30. I put a little higher, but yeah. I'm not saying week one, not the offseason.

I'm saying there's a decent chance Cruz's career is over. That's not crazy. I think there's a better than 30% chance he'll be doing morning TV in New York. Right. Could see that. The Giants told us what they thought. They played Tavares King and sometimes Roger Lewis snaps over Victor Cruz in key situations late in the year. He just wasn't, he didn't have that explosiveness anymore.

He's 30 years old. I'll always remember he had one of the biggest plays in Giants history. and it also turned out to be kind of a turning point in Jets history. Christmas Eve, 2011, the Giants are 7 and 7 and clinging to the playoffs. Jets are 8 and 6, hoping to get to the playoffs for a third straight year under Rex. Third and 10 from the 1, a 99-yard touchdown, Cruz, where he beats Cremardi, breaks a tackle, and then Eric Smith takes a dreadful angle.

And the Giants rally to win that game and then never lose again, win the Super Bowl, one of the biggest plays in Giants history. Oh, and Rex Ryan had a fascination with him. Remember that old Hard Knocks where he was trying to figure out who this Victor Cruz guy was? Preseason. He was number three at that time. It was his jersey number and he had three touchdowns against the Jets and he went up to Kaufflin. Ryan after the game said, who was that number three?

He essentially ended Rex Ryan's career. NFC championship that year against the Giants. 10 catches 142 yards. Yep. 10 for 142 had a touchdown on that Super Bowl against the Pats as well. Good luck to Victor Cruz. Rashad Jennings also gone, by the way. I was going to say.

Rashad Jennings let go, a 31-year-old running back, average 3.3 yards per carry last season, and for the, I don't know if I would call it a conspiracy theorist, but for people that are trying to figure out where Adrian Peterson could land, now there's an opening in that backfield in New York. Can't think of an offense that would fit Adrian Peterson less than the giant. Why do you say that? They only run three receiver sets.

was like 99% of time, and they're always in the shotgun. It's the opposite of what Adrian Peterson needs. Paul Perkins and Shane Vareen are on the roster. You would think that they're going to add another guy who can go between the tackles. They'll definitely drop someone. LaShawn McCoy is not happy, gentlemen. The Buffalo Bills running back had a very, very nice season

with the Bills over 1,600 total yards and 14 touchdowns. He was overshadowed a bit by Rex Ryan and all the circus in Orchard Park this past year. And now Pro Football's Focus.com has released their top. Ooh, a top 101 from PFF. Let's start with a scientist real quick here. Any problems with PFF rolling with a top 101? Well, I think ours is 99.

There's was of the 2016 season, I believe, or is it just players in general? Either way, it's not free agents. Yeah, but just the number. That's branding. I don't think that anyone in this building or anywhere else came over. the top one, the concept of a top 100 list.

So you got to, can't be too touchy about that. The top, the top 100 and one players of 2016 list, the PFF rolled out recently. And Sean McCoy, not on that list. So what does Shady do? He takes to Twitter. He adds PFF. And he has this to say, you guys suck a bunch of nerds who never played a lick of football in your life. Get those nerds!

Nerds! Nerd! Nerd! Nerd! I'll indulge myself with a little 80s dad comedy every once in a while. I like that. It's well done. Always liked Revenge of the nerds.

Very well done. By you. So there you go. LaShawn McCoy, Chris Wessling, goes after PFF for having the nards to not put them in their top 101. No surprise whatsoever that LaShawn McCoy was a jerk about this. This is the same guy who tried to trash Chip Kelly's career by throwing the race card at him. Very brazenly throwing the raise card at him. Also, decided to have a party where only women were invited,

but he wanted to pick out their clothing night. Had to vet them. Yes. Also, I saw him treat reporters worse than I've ever seen any player treat reporters in my entire time on this job. He's just not a good human being. And this is more of the insider versus outsider things that Howard CoSell labeled the jococracy,

that there is an exclusive club of players. and what they do, number one, they defend that club against all outside criticism. That's role number one. Rule number two is de-litigitimitize? Delegitimate. De-legitimate.

No, I can't do it either. You don't legitimize them. De-legitimize. No, use D-legitimize anyone who's not in the club as irrelevant. And we're not in the club. We didn't play professional football. So what we say, according to Lashon McCoy,

doesn't matter. Even though athletes aren't trained in communications generally. They're not trained in print. They're not trained in television as a general rule. But what they say matters more than what we say. I don't think it's a coincidence that football outsiders is titled football outsiders. They're not insiders. They didn't play the game.

I guess my concern would be if you view these guys as a bunch of nerds who never played a lick of football, do you really care about their opinion so much as to even get on Twitter and address it? A little bit of a thin skin scenario. Right. It's a catch 22. You're legitimizing them by saying this. And you're giving them great publicity. It's a win for PFF. For the record, five running backs crack that top 101 for PFF. Zeke Elliott, 22, David Johnson, 23, Lev Bell, 27, J. Ajai, 31, and Jordan Howard, 75. I think that Lecham McCoy, whenever I saw him this season, he was as good as he ever was, in my opinion.

And he probably deserved the spot in this list. But PFF has their own, they have a very set style of rankings. And just for the record. Pass blocking killed them. And blocking in general, I assume it's pass blocking. And he probably has some more negative plays because he's willing to bounce the dancer. He was an MVP candidate for a stretch of this season early on. I think that PFF, for as much good as they do, really struggles to quantify how much blocking means for skill position players.

Remember when they had Ben Hartsock as the number one tight end. Socky. Right. I mean, you, I don't think you can watch the two seasons and think Jordan Howard at a better season. I agree with you. But, but blocking, you know, blocking lost the, you know, having a running back that couldn't block lost the Falcons of Super Bowl with Devante. Yeah, that's fair. By the way, PFF offers a detailed explanation on their site how they grade players.

And according to the site, the grades are quote, verified by the pro coach network and their 400 years of combined NFL and college coaching experience. So, I mean, like I wrote, work it out, guys. But, you know, is it Collinsworth run that ship, too? He owns it. I think he has a couple licks of football experience. I don't quite agree when we do things like 400 years of combined coaching. I mean, it's probably how many men is it? We don't know.

It could be, you know, 400 coaches each of one coach. I mean, I know that's not. Right. It's like three coaches with a few years and then one guy with like 350 years. Right. He's a wizard. He's an old football wizard. Right.

It lives in a cave. They've hit him in the basement. But he doesn't know shit, actually. He's the one that knows the least. He's just been around a long time. Considering football wasn't invented 350 years ago, it doesn't give him much experience. The wizard had foresight.

What? All right. Moving on, the Oakland Raiders, they're staying in business with their head coach. The team announced Friday that they have given Jack Del Rio a new four-year deal, a contract that keeps him with the team, if they so choose. Through the 2020 season,

here is a statement from Mark Davis. the Raiders have torn up Jack Del Rio's original, only the Raiders release a statement that began that way. The Raiders have torn up Jack Del Rio's original contract and rewarded him with a new four-year deal. We are excited to continue building on the strong foundation that has been established. And this is a significant step in achieving that goal. Mark Sessler, right move to get into bed, or deeper into bed with Jackie D. Absolutely got to get deeper into bed with Jack Del Rio. I mean, there aren't that many coaches that you've,

can really count on to last with teams for more than a couple years. He's one of them. He did it with Jacksonville. And moreover, he gets along very well with the general manager. That's an issue for half the teams in the league. And after what we saw this season, this is a guy that grew up a Raiders fan. And he is proud to have this job and he absolutely delivered and brought the Raiders something they have not had in 15 years. So I don't know what is more of a clear indication. This guy's the right person right now for the Oakland Raiders, and of course you give him a contract. He had a great year, too. Great year.

He was black Jack Del Rio. He gave them. He created wins for them. He pushed all the right buttons. The only thing they got caught, Derek Carr getting hurt ruined their season, but that was not his fault. You could make a strong case for Jack Del Rio is the most overlooked, underappreciated head coach in the NFL.

He has taken the Jaguars to their only two playoff appearances this century. He did it with David Gerard and Byron Leftwich, not a franchise quarterback. He took the race. The Raiders to the first playoff experience, like Mark said, in 15 years. Here's some numbers I crunched. Fudge it, baby. The Raiders were 56 and 136 from 2002 until they hired Jack Del Rio. A 292 winning percentage.

They are 594 since hiring him. The Jaguars are 218 winning percentage since firing Jack Del Rio, who had a 500 record in his years with Jacksonville. This guy has made his teams better wherever he's been. That's all true, and I agree. But the argument against him would be one you've had against, you know, Marvin Lewis. You know, Jack Del Rio's won one more playoff game than Marvin Lewis in the same amount of years. By the time he left Jacksonville, it was time for him to go.

But he's a good NFL coach. He also put an axe in a log in a locker room. I think he's gotten better with the Raiders to be stated. It's unfair to hold Derek Carr's injury against him this year. Sure. To hold, like, the teams in Jacksonville, you wanted him to go into New England and beat the Patriots after he went into Pittsburgh and beat the Steelers? I don't know. I'm just saying he's been fine.

Marvin Lewis was favored in quite a few of those playoff games. I don't think anybody had the Jaguars favored. I really enjoyed your pregnant pause. Yeah, I mean, I'm just, that's fine. That's on him that he does. I'm just saying we judge some guys harshly for the lack of playoff success. I think it's worth pointing out. I think what he's done well in Oakland,

and we'll see how it works too with changing his offensive coordinators. He seems like he knows the league. He knows people in the league. believe in him. He knows how to hire a staff, and he did a great job of that in Oakland. Now he's switching up the staff, which you would think would be a risk, but it's the second time they're doing it, and you kind of trust in him to find the right guy. I think it really helps, too, when you lose that first job, go become a coordinator again, see the league from a different pair of eyes.

He's been a better coach with the Raiders, and he's completely in a good relationship with the rest of that organization. That matters. His aggressiveness didn't start in Oakland. He was one of the most aggressive fourth-down coaches in the NFL when he had Maurice Jones Drew as a weapon there. And Marvin Lewis has been the opposite, I think. He's been overly conservative to a fault. Right.

I'm just saying he did have five straight years without a winning record. It should be noted in the conversation. That's all. Let's move on. Let's move back to Orchard Park and talk about Tyrod Taylor. I think a lot of people, the football cognizante. Nice. I thought that Tyrod Taylor's time with the Buffalo Bills is over after he got benched in week 17

and then Rex's number one guy supporter was fired. But that might not be. the case. You have that $30.75 million contract option, which must be exercised by March 11th. But according to Vic Carucci of the Buffalo News, Tyrod Taylor has not ruled out a slightly altered contract to remain in Buffalo, but he is unwilling to accept any restructure that would reduce his pay. And Chris Wessling, as you wrote in your piece on around the NFL, that's where it gets tricky.

It is where it gets tricky because I think you could, both of these sides could have looked in early January and said, you know what, the grass is greener. Tyrod Taylor can go find a team willing to pay them. The bills can go try to get Tony Romo. And I think now it's become clear that neither of these teams can do any, neither of these sides can do any better. Tyrod Taylor's not going to find a team willing to make him their franchise quarterback. And the bills aren't going to find, Tony Romo is not going to go to Buffalo.

No. And it's also. I don't know if Tony. That's a whole way Tony Romo is going to Buffalo. People act like Tony Romo is coming off an M. MVP season and there's just great teams out there and he can just, he can just go around and pick, like, who are those teams? To me, the bills are a decent roster. No, what do you can pick is retirement? Sure. Because why would you go to Buffalo with, why are they a decent roster? Who's

on their defense now? I'm just saying they, they've won 15 games the last two years. There are worst teams looking for the 49ers or the Browns or whatever. There's not that many great teams looking at the Bears, maybe. Who played great for their defense last year? Lorenzo Alexander, Zach Brown, both free agents. Stefan Gilmore's a free agent. Where's the talent on defense. I don't see it at all. This team is much closer to being a four or five win team than a playoff. Plus Tyra and Taylor, wouldn't you rather, wouldn't I might rather have him than Tony Romo. Tyrod Taylor finished the season playing before he was, you know, sent packing late in the year. He played some of his best football late in the year. And if you're the bills and you're going to

get rid of him in this way, you've just hired a new coach. What are you going to give that coach a quarterback? You have to know that something better is coming in. And there's literally zero guarantee of that if you're the bills. Put yourself in 1997, Greg Rosenthal's shoes, in a similar situation. Freshman year. Yeah, pre-Tom Brady and all the glory, and you were given the chance to stay with Tyrod Taylor or bring in the exciting, mysterious Tony Romo. As a fan?

Yeah, as a fan. Yeah, I would go with Romo. Yeah, I think that's the way a lot of Bill's fans probably feel, but I don't know if it's a good fit for Romo or the Bills. Right, guy hasn't stayed healthy for three straight games in three years. There's a reason why they benched Tyrod Taylor for E.J. Manuel. There's a reason why they've been reluctant to extend Tyrod Taylor. Right. And Doug Whaley, you know, there was a report that they're kind of open to Cardell Jones maybe competing for the starting job.

Doug Whaley used to love E.J. Manuel. But here's the big thing that's changed in Buffalo that we haven't mentioned. Rick Denison is their offensive coordinator. Rick Denison is coming from Denver, a team that tried to sign Tyrod Taylor just two off-season go in free agency directly after Rick Denison and Gary Kubiak coached Tyrod Taylor in Baltimore. So this guy has a history with Tyrod Taylor. He knows him, and you would think he fits the offense pretty well, and that Denison, who's running the offense, would go for it. That would be for Doug Whaley a loss, because it feels like Doug Whaley's been on this bizarre campaign to turn E.J. Manuel into an NFL starter, and it's very tedious.

Moving on. The New England Patriots are Super Bowl champions, but the business operation, the business arm of the evil empire never sleeps, Greg. the Darren Ravelle of ESPN reported over the weekend of the Patriots have filed a trademark the phrase blitz for six a nod of course to New England's five Super Bowl titles and their assumed quest in 2017 the paperwork was dated just two days after the Patriots beat the Falcons in Super Bowl 51 some other interesting little Patriots trademark newsmark is what we're going through right now please they're very serious about this stuff Revelle also reported the team filed a trade quote, ignore the noise a week before the Super Bowl. The job being proactive there, Greg. Got to lock that one up and filed for no days off. On the same day, Belichick attempted to get that chant off the ground at the Patriots victory parade.

The team has received trademarks in the past for both do your job. And we are all Patriots in recent years. And they've also recently received trademarks for 19 and O and the perfect season, which I'm sure Eli Manning chuckles about in quite. Well, that's probably what they think will happen next year. I mean, here's my one of all the... Lits for six. These are very tedious.

I get why they would want to get locked these down and make sure they don't get put on, you know, T-shirts made somewhere else and all this business. But no days off is when you, to me, started to look and just, well, you... That's when it's right. It is incredibly pompous. It is incredibly pompous. And you're looking out at all these Patriots fans, and I realize all then we're taking a day off to come to your parade.

But secondly, trying to just tell the average person out there that works hard 40, 50, 60 hours a week, no days off. I mean, give me a break. Who is lining up for that and actually living that out? Mark took it as a shot. No, because do your job. Do your job when you're at work. Do your job. That makes sense to me.

But this idea that all humans suddenly Bill Belichick suggesting that no one should take a day off, I mean, that is beyond the pale ridiculousness. I think it was perfect that Darren Ravel was the one to report this because of all human beings on Earth, like if the Patriots were beating the rush on Blitz for 6, Revelle's the only one who would come up with something that's stupid. Well, everyone, you know, teams always trademark these nonsense things. It's just, you know, they're getting... It's a little more fun one is the Patriots.

Sure. Remember the Steelers were all about, like, one for the thumb? I can almost get that, but Blitz for 6 is stupid. What are the Jets trademarking in February? I mean, all teams do it if they get into a situation, but New England is going trademark nuts. Also, Blitz for six is terrible. It's awful.

Do they even blitz? Are they like a known as like that? No, they're not even known as a blitzing defense. It's extremely corny. It's just stupid. We should come up with some other ones then. I'm sure they have. Yeah.

They probably have some poor man locked in their basement cranking out these names. And this one for whatever reason made it up the chain. One of those two ball boys probably. Put a ring on your junk. That's really hard. No, where are those two ball boys? No, they're not buried under the master and pike. they're coming up with terrible slogans somewhere in a basement.

A lot of stuff to unpack here. Mark has a great take on where the deflators are. They're in the basement cranking out these titles to stay alive. And that's what they, for food and water, they get that. And what was your thing, Greg? What did you say? I said one of the ones rejected was put a ring on your d'I. That was fun.

The steak keeps on getting longer for Sidney. It really does. Anything you say? She left, actually. It's just an empty chair spinning in the door closing. All right. Finally, one last note here, as you might have assumed it would happen, after I threatened more of the weak-willed listeners about the chewing sounds,

someone actually did come at me. Some people really want to hear the banana drop, which I'm not going to just be willy-nilly about it. It probably will come. There are masochists in all lines of work. But there was a massacist. man that very seriously and earnestly tweeted at me that he unsubscribed from the show because it was disrespectful of me to come at him about a sound effect.

So I did a little research and apparently this is a real thing. The people that have been complaining about the drop, the sandwich drop, it is misophonia is this fear. That's pronounced misophony. Yeah, this sounds like a prank on you. Are you sure about this? I think it's a prank on the people that suffer from it because misophonia is an affliction where people can't deal with certain chewing sounds or just certain sounds in general that are kind of an everyday part of life,

but for some reason it cuts through them. And the good news is I want to be somebody that tries to help. Mark, that's why I feel like part of the reason we're on this earth is to help others. Continue. I want everyone to know that on February 18th and 19th at Circus, Circus Hotel and Casino, there will be the fourth annual Misophonia Association Convention, President's Day weekend, so you'll have that a long weekend, so you don't have to take a day off of work. This weekend. It's this upcoming weekend. You could register at miso convention, 2017.

eventgrid.com and you could be with people that suffer from the same affliction and I am not making light of it. I am. It's very serious and that's where you can go to get help. Well, you're calling it a fear. All right.

I do not think it's a fear. I would say I'll own up to the fact that the sound of people chewing when I'm around, just even in our workplace when you can hear people chewing on something is awful. I hate it. I'm not scared of it.

It is It is, I cannot, it is gross and I cannot tolerate it to its full extent. Misophony is a strong dislike or hatred of specific sounds, also known as misophonia, also known as selective sound sensitivity syndrome, starts with a trigger. It is often an oral sound. The noise someone makes when they eat, breathe, chew, yawn, or whistle, sometimes a small repetitive motion is the cause. Someone fidgets, jostles you, or wiggles their foot.

And if you have a mild reaction, which people are getting a mild reaction from our podcast. I don't blame them. A little bit of guilt here. Is it going to stop the drop? No. Not going to stop the drop. But I feel a little guilty.

Some of the symptoms, anxious, uncomfortable, the urge to flee, which I guess is unsubscribe. I get it. And disgust. Do you like the sound of people chewing on food? I mean, no one likes it. See, I think it just maybe doesn't get on your radar. The apple drop does not bother me at all. It's a crisp sound.

Oh, well, I don't find it. What about the pickle drive at all? Does that bother anybody? The pickle one? the most recent that is awful that is awful that's gross no one likes absolutely don't cross me or you're getting the banana getting big yellow it's always a horrible upsell there's no difference to me they're the same oh sid are they the same seems like there be more of a slurping sound with the banana

it is next level everyone listening to this podcast will come up with me so phony if you hear that once all right so you're here to help but you are also hanging over the heads of everyone a terrible threat. Yes. Okay. All right. I like the way you handled that deal. Thanks.

I don't know. Textbook. I'm just trying, I'm trying my best to both hear the critiques of the podcast, but also you have to kind of sift them out because you can't, not everyone you need to act on, but maybe this one after I look this up, I feel maybe a little torn. Like maybe we get rid of the chewing dress, but I don't know. What about the guy who thinks we're beholden to him? It's fair.

He going. He's going. All right, moving on. Greg Rosenthal, how do we want to do this? We're going to talk about both the pre-agency, the top free agents and I think, Wes, you said on our last show, one of the weakest free agency class. The weakest. The weakest, you said, in recent memory. But as of right now, it's all pending free agents.

And the tags have not been handed out yet. A lot of players will get released. a lot of that will add to the pool exactly and and and don't don't forget everybody the the uh the san diego graybeards where are they st louis i can't remember we'll have to decide what city they play in uh but this is very important for the graybeards we we are tracking all these players as well as we form our 2017 roster we're very excited let me just put it this way we're very excited about victor cruise uh both as someone that could play the slot and as an ambassador of the gray I think this may be the worst graybeard's team you will have fielded since going back to like the late 1980s plan B free agency.

The graybeards are your team of free agents unsigned midway through the summer. Over 30. If you're 30 or over, you have a home with me. My franchise, which originally was in Los Angeles, we moved to St. Louis. And yep, actually, yeah, we're moving to San Diego this year. so the San Diego graybeards. A little breaking news right there. All right.

Now, Greg. Tough break for St. Louis. Can't even keep the graybeards. I demanded a new stadium. They would not vote in my favorite. You put it out there. The public did not do their job for you. My hands were tied, and I made the decision.

Didn't want to do it. It had to do it. The franchise tag primer predictions for all 32 NFL teams. Greg, you put this up on the site today, in fact, Monday. and you broke it down into, as you are want to do, you broke it down into categories. And let's start with what you call the no-brainers. You have five no-brainers on this list,

and I'll just name them off right now. Eric Berry of the Chiefs, Chandler Jones of the Cardinals, LaVian Bell of the Steelers, Kwant Short of the Panthers, and Kirk Cousins of the Redskins. So you're saying in your mind, there is no way any of these players hits the market. market. I don't think there is. The only thing that could prevent the franchise tag would be a contract done in time for them, you know, not to put it on by March 1st or, you know, by free agency. But I don't think that's going to happen. Generally, Eric Barry said he's not playing under the franchise tag. That's fine. The chiefs can't let them just dictate. They got to put the tag on them and see. And it's no coincidence. It's kind of crazy. These are the five no-brainers. These were also my top five, not in the same order, but my top five free.

These I think are the five best players, and I don't think they're going anywhere. I don't think there's any chance any of them are going anywhere. But you have Eric Berry ahead of even Labium. Is there, this is an order? This is not even ordered. That's not even ordered. Thank you. Well, I think the reader's going to think it's ordered when they see the numbers here.

I don't understand what happened. Well, what would you be ranking them? I don't know. I like that you call them no-brainers, but then you give a long paragraph explanation for each. You could have been bold and said, I'm not even going to explain it to you. No-brainer. Here's the names. Have a nice day.

Well, you give them, you know, you give them some. That's not how we're going to get contracts, or is this going to happen, some background. Chandler Jones, for instance, you might want to know Bruce Ariens has already said it publicly, so it's not like I'm out on a limb. Without Greg's explanations, we would not have been given the benefit of two different strike-throughs in the opening section. A double strike-through. Two strike-through. Honey Fox got a strike-through?

What else? Whoa. Doesn't you like that. How you like me now. A lot of strike-through bits. Yeah. In a big spot from Greg. You like that.

Catch you one question. of these five, is there one of these five that could go south? If you had to pick one, we're suddenly somehow in a shocking moment of actual breaking news that one of these guys becomes a free agent. I guess Kwan's short, just because of the Panthers' history of doing surprising things, seems like less of a lock. But no, the only thing that could be go south here is Eric Barry and the Chiefs, maybe Levyon Bell and the Steelers and their negotiations.

You know, Eric Barry didn't sign until August 28th. last year, couldn't you see, I mean, you could see the same thing happening and this time it going into the season

because he is not happy. And in the next subhead, it's, we have the facts and we're voting yes. Royal We there in a big spot. Like it? Any,

see, I thought, I thought you being the music, it's a little bit of a nod to a music group here. We have the facts. It's a, you know,

yes. 10,000 maniacs. No. Did you watch a Grammy? Anybody watch a Grammys, I did. I watched a large portion of them. I did.

I texted. You were not thrilled with the Adele George Michael. I think she did a great job, but the song choice was very odd of all the George Michael's songs you could pick. It was a... It was a late period song that she slowed down. It was a little... I mean, you want to talk about, like, that's the music business Super Bowl, and they were beset by technical glitches. James Hetfield's microphone didn't even work for half of his song.

Wait, Talaka's still around? Yes. I mean, they're a war horse of the heavy metal scene. People still listen to heavy metal. Absolutely, yeah. That surprises me. Wes, everybody likes different things. I know.

I just thought that, like, I thought they were like hair bands. They ran their course. People were like, oh, yeah, that was. They're like the rolling stones of heavy metal. I don't think their latest work maybe resonates as much, but they're like the rolling, they're still selling out arenas and whatnot. I feel like it would be good.

I would love to sit down and watch a four-hour Grammy telecast with Chris Wesley. I didn't even know they were on until this morning. What? Because you don't have a TV? Is that you're going to shoehorn? this in? No, like, I don't have a TV.

Why don't I need it? Grammys are on if I'm totally unplugged from all of that. It's about me. Yeah. No, you said you kind of like Chance the rapper a little. A big night for chance. You know, he played.

I like Adele. He was good. I like Beyonce. I like Adele. Oh, Beyonce. I mean, I was watching this with my wife and we both thought Beyonce just looks stunning. What is going on with?

Yeah, she's a very attractive woman. I thought her performance was actually a little bit ponderous. I have to say. The performance. A little bit. And I know that's not popular because anything she does, that's been like, oh, Beyonce stole the show. A little bit on the ponder side.

But she also got robbed. That should have won an album of the year, Lemonade. She got robbed. Got to get that beehive. It's in the old Zeusers car player, actually, the lemonade out. The car player. Yeah. What is that?

The only CD I have in the last 10 years because it's on Greg's service of choice. What is it again? Title. So I had to actually get the hard cut to listen to it. One of your weirder bits in the world that you are very anti-title. I'm anti-title too. It's the latest. That Apple music.

Spotify, respect Spotify? Yeah. What about Napster? Oh, yeah. I love this other like global, you know, he was like, oh, these musicians are full of themselves. Let me attach myself to some other global conglomerate trying to take my money. What's the difference? Go to YouTube.

Go to YouTube and Google title opening press conference. Right. Speaking of ponderous I'll watch that I'll go look that up tonight thank you anyway and that was our Grammys wrap up

moving on now I get it I get the field goal call I thought for a second that was Mark's good for you just boiled down No this is good for you good for you

and this is the KC guy God I mean, it's, I don't like to say it, but it's very similar. It is interesting how the human emotions work at. Yours was a moment of fury where you wanted to kill everybody in the room. And Mitch Holtus was one of joy. Me mostly. I'm getting lots of tweets.

I even got a text from someone being like, you're not really getting along with Markley. Oh, please. It's like, oh no. I hope they're perceptive. A text from someone that actually knows you? Who was it? You got a real. There's a friend of mine that you don't know.

I'm not going to know one of these. You wouldn't know. More important is what was the reply to that text? Yeah, what did you say? You pull it up on your phone? I said the same thing I just said to you. Like, that's ridiculous. It's just, you know, we're just on the podcast, but I hope that's not a coming up.

We were texting about La La Land over the week. Greg and I are getting along just fine. What do you think, Wes? I have no comment. I think they. Wow. Oh, no comment. I think a lot of what happens in this studio is.

you know, forgotten about the minute we walk out. That's what I'm saying. Yes. So you walk back from that no comment very quickly. Well, that's how I would handle just about any outburst in this studio

is quickly forgotten. Quick, no comment. Unless it's made into a sound drop that gets dropped on your Twitter feed 4,000 times. Good for you! We have the facts and we're voting yes, by the way. Terrell Pryor.

A death cab for cutie album. Oh, okay. I like Death Cab. That's good. Good drop, buddy. Terrell Pryor, uh six a j booie uh bowie buoy buoy buoy booie boo yeah boo yeah boo yeah uh Jason pierre paul and melvin ingram uh those are the you and your opinion they will get the tag it's not a sure thing well prior is a guy who's fascinating to me you'd have to make him one of the highest uh he did a 180 on this one yeah i did i you know i tried to get some opinions out there and it sounds like uh if they i think i think

they'll reach a long-term, he's the one guy on this list that I kind of think they might reach a long-term deal in time. Because if you're Terrell Pryor and you're the Browns, it makes sense for him to take $20 million guaranteed on a four-year, $40 million. I could see them coming to like a quick deal, whereas, but if they can't, then I would think you put the tag on them. You can't let a talented player walk away, Mark, right? We talked about it. I'm totally with you and the Browns have somewhere close to like a hundred million available money. What are you saving this money up for because you don't use it year after year. And the worst case scenario is Terrell Pryor going to the Ravens

or the Steelers or Bengals and blowing up for 1,200 yards with 200-yard games against the Browns. So how about you keep them? I got something that's going to, should get you very excited, Mark. Okay. Because in my opinion. If it's Brown related, if it's Browns related, good luck. You're no longer, to me, the most hopeless fan in this room.

I think the Jets kind of a darker future right now than the Browns on some level. because I think you, there's a 37% chance that you have Jimmy Garapolo and Terrell Pryor coming off a 1,300-yard season this time next year. 37% chance, in my opinion. That's something to be hopeful about it. If all that fell into place, there would be some hope.

Don't. That's Mark's corner. Oh, the hopeless corner? Yeah, do not try stepping on that corner. That would be weird, you coming off that corner after years and years. But if there was someone that had to take the corner, would probably be a Jets fan, so it would make sense. In this room, yes.

But for now, you still have the corner, but it could be changing. I think I pretty securely have the corner. It feels like it's changing a little bit. Last year, this time, you were talking about the 10 and 6 Jets, so. Things change quickly. Anyway, any other ones, any of those other names, Greg, that you wanted to hit on? About JPP. Mike Garifolo said today that Giants will make a legitimate run at trying to sign JPP

before Free Agency, and that had something to do with the Victor Cruz and Shot Jennings releases. Well, it makes sense. If you're going to pay Olivier Vernon 17 a year, why would you not try to pay Jason P. or Paul? And if you can't, why not pay him 17 for one year? I don't think that's that crazy. They can find the room. It was very good before you got hurt.

They can find the room. Bouillet is a guy who might get paid more than Stefan Gilmore or any other cornerback if he makes it. They certainly had a better year than Gilmore. But I think they might just tag. They just can't let him get to the open market. The next category, coin flips that land on no tag. Is that a death cap song?

as well. No, that was. This is a three-man group, three well-established players, Dant to Hightower, who you last saw, being just a wrecking ball and helping the Patriots in their comeback win at Super Bowl 51. Branded Williams, who's right out of the Snacks Harrison book, as a middle-of-the-line stuffer who can get paid in a big spot.

And then Alshon Jeffrey, a little sexy here, the wide receiver, who we all know what he can do when he's healthy, but he's not always healthy. you don't think any of these guys get tagged when it comes down to it. These I thought were close to 50-50, but I lean towards no. Jeffrey's a tough case. They're going

into their third year together, Ryan Pace and John Foxx, and they're coming off a three-win season, and he's maybe the best player on their team. I don't know. Who's better on that team? But he'll be due $17.5 million coming off of a PED suspension. He was hurt. He doesn't

necessarily seem to want to be there that much. That's a tough call. This is what happens to bad teams he predicted they're going to win a Super Bowl Greg that's true that's a fair got to see that through definitely got to see that through and then you have the final category here not quite you have six names here that don't don't meet the criteria criteria but they could be considered you would think not quite a Delaware single from way back oh yeah stephan Gilmore the bills germane johnson of the rams nick perry the outside linebacker of the packers Kevin Zitler, the guard of the Bengals,

Riley Rife, and Larry Warford. You doubled them up. How about that? Yeah, a couple options. Cheating. These are long shots. And then Barry Church and Morris Claiborne are the Cowboys. And the Cowboys are an interesting case, Greg, as you wrote in your piece.

Well, they have a lot of good but not great players. I mean, that are headed for free agency. Jerry Jones said it this weekend that, you know, they're looking for some war horses for their defense. And they've... Ward Daddies. Ward Daddies. I like Ward Daddies. Because they've got about five or six guys

who played a lot of snaps for them up for free agency, but none of them are superstars. So it's a tricky off season. All right. So those are the... Gilmore, by the way, forget about him. He's gone. Egon.

So a lot of those players that we just talked about will hit the free agent market most likely come March something or other. When does free agency start this year? It's a couple days after the combine. So that's early March. So, Wes, you worked up a little bit of a list. We'll take just a couple minutes here of players that we didn't just discuss

but that are going to be at the top of the wish list for teams that have a lot of money to spend this offseason. But the gifts that they're shopping for, maybe not that great. Yeah, it's telling how shallow this class is that almost every worthwhile free agent has been named in Greg's piece on potential franchise tags. One guy is Callais Campbell. Actually, the Cardinals have three guys with Chandler Jones, Calais Campbell, and Tony Jeff.

and all should be getting paid. Clay is Campbell. 29 years old, one of the best defensive linemen in the NFL. And I don't know if the Cardinals are going to pay him or not. He's one of those guys I was surprised when I saw he was only 29. It's kind of JPP. Like, JPP is only 28. And they've been around and playing at a high level for so long,

and they came into the league young that you didn't realize. I think Campbell could get huge money. Don Terry, Poe's another one. If the Chiefs are going to eventually find out, find a deal for Eric Barry, they won't have enough cap room maybe to sign Don Terry Poe, who is maybe not Brandon Williams because he's had more health issues at nose tackle, but he's one of the most athletic nose tackles in the NFL. Who, Greg, and I know you worked up your own list,

and then you two gentlemen, the scientists will go in the lab and make the top 99. But who is, at first blush, the free agent that's going to get the most wildly overpaid in your opinions? wildly overpaid. Mark, if you have an opinion on this. I just want to hear what they say. Oh, you think so, huh? I do. Why don't you think he'd be worth it?

Well, he's only had basically eight good games in his career, and they were the last eight games of last season. He said half a good season in his career. Jimmy Garabos had two good games in his career. And everybody needs cornerbacks. Makes sense. Stefan Gilmore is a guy who I think showed enough in his Buffalo career.

But if you think about Sean McDermott and what they did in Carolina, they didn't look to pay Josh Norman. There was kind of the scheme who made their cornerbacks. He's a guy who's going to get to free agency. He could get paid a lot. Alshan Jeffrey's a good player,

so I hate saying he's going to be overpaid. But if he makes it to free agency, and I think he will, he'll be the highest paid wide receiver in the league. And he's not close to being the best wide receiver in the league, but I think he'll be making more money than any wide receivers ever made.

I mean, I think he can get a Calvin Johnson type of contract. The way you asked this question, I didn't take it to mean that it's going to be a bad player exposed. Like, Evie A Vernon was the most overpaid player last year, and he ended up being kind of worth the company. But was he? Right. Was he in the end? I kind of think they would totally do that again.

I guess if you can just add an above average starter and you can fit them under your cap, it almost doesn't matter. Will Kirk Cousins not be overpaid? Oh, yeah. 25 million. Every quarterback's paid that. I mean, that's just how quarterbacks are paid. This list, though, with the class that we're looking at, You guys used to do, I thought it was nice.

You'd put someone notable at 101. If it was Michael Vick, I think. Vic was there. He was kind of like the place old. But what are we going to be at at 101 or 99 or whatever this list is? It's going to be Victor Cruz. Oh, it's going to be Vic. Yes.

Put him at 99. We might have to go to 201 to get to Victor Cruz. I am a little, you know, worried or not worried, but every year everyone says, oh, this is the worst free agency class. It has been trending that way because I think teams. have more cap room so they keep their better players. So I think that's somewhat true. But there's going to be values.

There's going to be good players. I don't necessarily think it's going to be way different. Isn't it up to teams, though, to not get in these bidding wars for players that aren't worth it? Do they have to kind of see what's happening here, the trend-wise? You're asking them to collude? I'm asking them to, well, no, that sounds like that. How about we don't go pay a right guard 10 times more than he's worth if he's not that player? but the teams will invariably do that.

When I compiled this list in previous years, right around 5560, you start getting to the point where you're like, these guys are all the same to me and nobody wants to sign any of them. This year, the cutoff point is like 30. Really? The 30th guy, you're like, these guys are crap. Makes the draft even more important. You got to build through the draft, Mark.

Big off-season for you. I mean, why is it an off-season for me? because you don't even know if a draft works out until three or four years. You got a lot of bucks and a lot of draft picks. Cleveland Browns. It's all in front of him now. RG3 could be a free agent. Well, that's one.

Put him on the jet. You were getting all fired up about RG3 on Twitter the other day because some Browns fans were apparently delusional enough to think that he could still be the answer behind center. Yeah, it annoyed me just because RG3 was one of the most impossible players to watch last season and the idea of going into another year with him as your quarterback, and that includes after, what, five months of, like, hyperbole and ridiculous comments and statements about what he is in the off season

when you're throwing over a practice fence and hitting someone's house, I don't need any more of that. Let's get a real quarterback in there and get it done. If he hits a free agent list. Ooh, he could be 99. Wes would not allow it, but he could be 99. I might allow 90s. Yeah, a saucy backup quarterback.

That feels like a nice 99 spot. I could definitely see that. I mean, there are interesting names and players. Like the Patriots and the Packers, for instance, have a lot of free agents, like Martellus Bennett and Hightower and Sheard and Logan Ryan. Like some of these guys, they're going to get. Packers have seven or eight guys who are playing a lot. If you need a wide receiver, I think you can kind of find a wide receiver.

There's a lot of depth there this year. Kenny Britt, Pierre Gerson, Kenny Stills, Deshaun Jackson. I mean, these are guys who are going to be starting. in starting lineups next year. All right. Jets have no good free agents. That's a plus. It's because they have no good players.

That is, what are you going to do? That's speak to something terrible and very chronic. I'm coming up on Mark's Corner real fast. Do you want to? Why is this a victory? It's not something I want.

I'm looking at the reality of this. I can tell you it's a living hell. You're welcome to overtake it. This reminds me of the laborious, it's the pain rankings debates over who had it worse. There was a lot. a lot of hurt me i don't know about hurt feelings but a lot of debate back and forth between the

fans who had it worse when you came out with the pain rankings this is a phenomenon in sports and it started with bill simmons like waving the flag for how much pain you've gone through as an athlete it's it's something that if that's all you have you at least want to be recognized for that yes so like when i did those pain rankings a couple summers ago when and i think i had the bills three or four there was just fury from bills fans you can't do that to us because we We know nothing but pain. So you need to make us number one. Well, you know, everybody has a, everyone has a case.

Once you get to that really sad group of five or six teams, everyone has a really strong team. Well, unless you're a Chargers fan who you didn't even put on the list and now they don't even. They would have had it. This would have put them onto the list. This would have taken them over the top. That's what they needed. Didn't you add them after the movie? I was starting on a project over the summer and then.

Falcon did. I couldn't get Ladani and Thomas in to talk to me. So I just abandoned it. That's how these things go. Yeah. And then I went on my summer vacation. and I said, away we go. We're flying.

All right. Balkans could be added now. That's always a tricky thing. The teams that have some success, make some Super Bowls, do they, you know, that's another coverage. You need to do a middle of the pack pain rankings. Don't get the most painful or don't get the best. Just like 16 to 15.

You know what I got? A lot of last month was Packers fans saying, I know it's not conventional. No, it's not. But who has suffered more than us? How unbecoming Packers fans. I, you know, I didn't hand out any blocks, but it was met with many eye roll. That is highly absurd.

Yeah, the idea you could do would be just the most forgettable teams in the middle of the pack rankings. That would really annoy people. That would anger people. That would get maximum clicks. That's what the end around is looking for. All right. That's it for today's show. I think we promised three shows on Thursday, but I believe we're actually doing two shows.

We pulled back the curtain in a retrospect. it was a mistake because we made promises that we probably aren't going to keep. We're only doing two shows this week. And that's the way it is. Listen to one of them twice. That adds up to three. There you go.

So we will be back on Wednesday with our second and final show of the week. But we promise to make it extra special just for you. Even for you people suffering from misophony. I will. Misophonia. I have taken your issues. I like the Luther Campbell version.

better under advisement and we will decide we might throw the whole drop out now we might do it okay i mean that would be that would that would show a lot from that would be the most generous thing you've done since uh you know taking away your vengeance call on derrick car that he didn't know about i didn't take it away it's definitely indefinitely i've halted it but i do check in on it occasionally and he still is not to block me but shout out to all i'm talking Hundreds upon hundreds of listeners who have been hitting up Derek Carr. Keep doing it. bury him for this.

He deserves it. I think it's going to have the negative effect for you. You know what? I don't care. Maybe that is my vengeance ultimately. Keep sending them out. Maybe it will change his mind. We'll be back on Wednesday.

Thanks to everyone for listening. Until then, this is Dan Hansa signing off for the Quiet Storm, the mailman, the old boss, and new money behind the glass. till Wednesday. misophonia, misophonia, misophonia, misophonia, misophonia, misophonia, misophonia, misophonia, misophonia, misophonia. This is an I-Heart-I-Hart podcast.