NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Edelman's Suspension & NFL Marriages Made To Last

Episode Date: June 8, 2018

A room filled with heroes- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling & Marc Sessler- gather here today to celebrate the engagement of The Mailman & The Paramore. The heroes react to the news of Julian Edelman’s suspension (8:30), drama with the Eagles at The White House (13:00), Carson Wentz cleared (19:30), Ryan Shazier says his dream is to return to the NFL (24:00) and Terrell Owens’ decision not to attend the HOF induction ceremony (28:00). The heroes are then joined by The Paramore herself, Lakisha, to discuss the happy couple’s eventual nuptials, along with their thoughts on some NFL marriages - and whether they’re made to last (32:00).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, Dan. Woo! Out of Mondays. Oh, thank God. Your weakest looking up. Got out of hump day. And let's not sleep on hump day. The worst.

It's like half, glass, half empty, half full. Oh, my God. It's nice to see your Monday bit mushrooming. Tomorrow. Oh, tomorrow. TGIF, bitch. I like to call Thursday Friday, Jr. I like that.

The Gentleman's Friday, I call it. The Gentleman's Friday. Welcome to the podcast. Greg, how are you? Yeah. You've really got the office worker talk. Speaking of the office, my goodness. A couple things, thanks, Ben. A couple of things.

I had a small thing that will build up to a very big thing. I had a tremendous Asian chicken salad today. Tremendous. And one of the best huddle, and that's our local commissary meals I've ever had. And it was suggested to me by a woman that I've known for several years now, a real, a real classy dame. One of the greats, a two-time champion on the softball field. and also has another name. She's the Paramore.

And some big news broke. What was it, Tuesday? Tuesday, Wes? I already forget the date. Whoa. It was Tuesday because Wes pretended to be doing house-related stuff, I believe. I actually was doing house-related stuff. You had a covert plan operating as a plan B.

I did have a covert. Chris Wessling dropped to one knee, presumably. I did, in fact. and made plans to make an honest woman of the paramour. I popped the question. Popping the question. Bring that back, too. I like that.

Congratulations. Thank you. Ow! We're very excited. How exciting. Tremendous. A little overdue, but it was great. Yeah, I had this whole cancer thing that got in the way for a while.

Did get in the way. Yeah. If you did not catch the big sea in a big spot, when would have this have happened? Was she asked me last night? I asked Wes, not you, Greg. She asked me last night, if not for the Big C, would this have happened? Oh, that's interesting. And I said, I'm very confident, 100% confident it would have happened.

But I feel like we grew stronger together as a result of it. That's so true because Lakeisha was a total rock for you. Absolutely. I've never seen anything like it in terms of devotion, like up close the way she was devoted to you during your fight. And leading up to the hospital stay and after it, that was, what else do you need? We were fortunate that we had. our strongest point, about a couple of months before the diagnosis. So we were sailing at the time.

And I think that helped a lot. I think, I mean, it's been a huge summer for you guys. See, I expected this to happen, and it's so great to see two of the best people ever, you know, becoming a union forever. But I expected that. I did not know you were going to get a badass house to move into at the exact same time. Yeah, that's like a lot. It's a lot. That helped with the timing of it.

And, yeah, it just, it feels like a lot of things that I didn't believe what happened for a long time are now all of a sudden happening, you know, in a great way much sooner than I would have expected. And connect the dots, Wes now tucking in a shirt. A lot's happening. A lot is changing for once. Well, if you want to connect the dots, is that we haven't done laundry since before we left for Tybee.

So, like, I've got these nice clothes that I have to wear because my normal, like, casual way. Right. And by the way, Vegas is already cooking up the odds for who will be the best man of Wes's wedding. Where did, where they have David Ealy right now, Mark? I think Ely was sitting at about 250 to one. Long shot. Wow.

I mean, you got it. You can't. Not everyone can be a favorite. I like Ely a lot. He's a long shot. That would be quite a Machiavellian work move to make Ely your best man. I would, I would appreciate that. The question also is strategy.

I feel like Nick Westling's already just doing the job, assuming he is. It feels like a Nick move to assume that he would say. That's four to one, they're saying. Ely, by the way, the greatest odds he's ever had to be a best man. Oh, wow. Triple source that seems to a little. Like you did. Harsh.

Love you. All right. So great, great, great news. I like how you upgrade it from like you to love you. He corrected yourself. I like you. I like you. Sounds bad.

So great news around the Wessling Compound. And maybe we'll get. We'll touch on this more a little bit later, but we got a lot to get to today, including a prominent Patriot suspension. And this one unlikely to be met with the resistance of the last major offensive player for the Patriots who was suspended for four games. We'll get into that. Also, although who do I don't know. Maybe it will turn into another huge to do. Every suspension strikes fear in my heart now.

court dates and injunctions. This feels a little more, a little neater than the, I did a three-hour binge. I'm almost through the Cowboys All or Nothing season now. And it gave me like PTSD, watching the Elliott saga unfold. Anyway, news from the White House.

Brave of you to get through that, Dan. I made it. I made it. And also, On the subject of Wes's impending nuptials with the Parramore, some real talk about marriage, NFL marriages, that is. So we'll get to that. So let's get right to it. Let's do some news.

If I've got something to say, Elizabeth, I love you. Oh, my goodness. He's getting no, Poggs. He's building up his courage. I think maybe he's going to ask her. What's he? What's that? Look at that.

Look at that ring. He's going to ask her, folks. Elizabeth. This is how it went down by that. This is like a play-by-play review. We don't have an answer. We don't have an answer. Wait, we don't have an answer.

Elizabeth. Lakeisha? Oh yeah. We got us a wet in our wing day. He didn't invite us over to this announcing background. We could have done a live podcast watching you. Back when wrestling was real. Although, yes.

Although Mean Gene O'German was also at your big move, he was also nude, which was very strange, Jean, not wearing any clothes. You also short-sighted me. Gene and the odds for best man. He's in there. I haven't announced the odds yet, but he's in there. He's in there.

Is he ahead of the brothers or behind the brothers? Some of them. Some of it better shout than others for different reasons. Okay. Let's start. Yes, let's start on the throne of sleaze. Wait. Tom Brady.

He's not going to have his favorite. Oh. People up New England. Oh, no. We come in beats. They seem friendly. I say we trust them. How great for our planet.

Is that the moment you knew, Lukisha, was the girl you wanted to spend the rest of your life with when you heard that? Yeah, that was her debut on the podcast. That's her glowing optimism about a life force beyond ours. I would say that is very much in character for her. I think with Dan and I recording that with Lakeisha, so that we kind of brought her into the podcast world. And in a way, probably Dan and I are being sort of underrated

in terms of who gets credit for this relationship. You know, that moment right there probably spun this axis of it. Your arrow is pointing up on the best man odds. How about a co-best man scenario? I mean, just for that. For that taping alone that occurred in like April 2016. I mean, Greg did, in fact, hire both of us, but you guys, you guys plan to drop.

That's business. She's definitely a better actress than Miss Elizabeth. That's for sure. Oh. By the way, Miss Elizabeth, not with us anymore, Greg. So maybe, you know, take it a little easier. How would I have known that? Well, it's history.

Sports history. She was molded and wrestling and she's over the age of 50. Julian Edelman, the Tom Brady paramour, is facing a four-game suspension, violating the NFL's performance enhancing, enhancing substances policy. Kim Jones reported ESPN first had it. If the suspension holds, has it been formally appealed yet, as of taping. Yeah, that's why

whenever it comes out in the news like this, it means it's under appeal. You're not supposed to find out until it's official, but yeah, it's under appeal. So under appeal. Edelman,

if it holds, will miss the Patriots first four games of the season, Texans, Jags, Lions, and Dolphins. So there's some big games there. Edelman's 32. Of course,

he missed all of last season after suffering a torn ACL in the preseason. Greg will start with you, Patriots fan, you and all Pat's fans were counting on Edelman to fill the void in an offseason in which there were some key defections,

and now they will be without him for a quarter of the season. Is this a big deal? It is for Edelman. He has to... But not the Patriots. No, because I don't know what you're getting in Edelman. I have not assumed he's going to be their number one receiver. I have not assumed he's going to be the Julian Edelman of old.

He's 32 years old with a history of foot problems coming off a torn ACL, always a smaller guy who is counting on quickness to beat defenders. Maybe he was going to come back in. and just be like his old self, but I wasn't assuming that. And in the way the Patriots kind of are run, the only constant is changed. The offense is always changing. They have Gronk, Chris Hogan, Jordan Matthews, James White, Sony Michelle. A lot of guys who are going to catch the ball for them, they're not all wide receivers,

but they're deep at wide receivers. So I don't think it's a killer. I'm more just wondering, I don't care about the first four weeks. You have that luxury when you're a Patriots fan on some level. I wonder what Julian Edelman are they getting this season, period, because they could really use him to be the guy that he used to be, and we won't know until week five. I think to your point, I mean, it's a team that has historically proven

that they can shape shift from week to week. They could have spent two weeks of those four weeks, even if he were on the roster deciding not to maximize him and maximize other players. I mean, they can be a new offense weekly with the way they do things. I do think that it's probably ultimately a sneaky plan by Kenny Britt to try to have some sort of. of impact on an NFL roster comes September.

He tainted the substance. I'm just saying I wouldn't put anything past Kenny Britt at this point, and here he is in New England causing a stir. He has had access to substances in the past. No doubt. You do bring up the point in West. I'll tee you up on this. Chris Hogan, you mentioned, Jordan Matthews,

other wide receivers in their building, Cordare L. Patterson, Malcolm Mitchell, Kenny Britt, Philip Dorset, Braxton Barrios, Cody Halster. Do they have enough guys? Well, they had the number. number one offense in the NFL without Julian Edelman last year and just put 625 yards on one of the best defenses in football

in the Super Bowl without Julian Edelman. I think they'll be all right. No Amindola either, by the way. I know the instinct in this room is to always say. No, I know Brandon. Their passing game might struggle, but I don't think it will be because Edelman's there for the first month or not. They tend to start slowly in general.

Gronk is the number one receiver on the team. Right. Gronk's healthy. And they won a Super Bowl without him. It should be remembered. But he's the number one receiver on the team. I've been wondering, what is this offense going to look like? I don't think Bill Belichick knows.

That's why they often do get out of the gates a little slowly. They spend that first month or more last year, it felt like most of the season. And their version of slowly is not other teams' versions of slowly. It's two and two and two sometimes. Also, Jordan Matthews might be 6'2 or 6.3 and 220 pounds, but he's almost strictly a slot receiver. Yep.

So we'll see how that plays out if Edelman is indeed not going to be with the team, but let's move on. big white house news the philadelphia eagles had their visit to the white house canceled less than 24 hours before it was scheduled this coming after the white house made an announcement that the eagles let me read this statement actually from president donald trump the philadelphia eagles are unable to come to the white house with their full team to be celebrated tomorrow they disagree with their president because he insists that they proudly stand for the national anthem hand on heart and on honor of the great men and women of our military and the people of our country. And owner Jeffrey Lurie, Eagles, Jeff. Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie did not want to put his players in a tough spot. That's how this all started. Did not say everyone go to the White House.

Their decision, the Eagles decision was to send a smaller delegation. And that ended up being a very small delegation. And then when the White House got wind of that, they tried to change the situation and say no if you're not going to send a lot of people don't send anybody and it just turns into another ugly situation involving the NFL and the president of the United States and we talked about when they changed the anthem policy that their expressed goal in press conferences the owners that is was to kind of minimize this story and I think the last week has shown how short-sighted that was you know because because it obviously it didn't it didn't help ease any tensions with the

the white house and it's just an awkward situation because we haven't really heard much from the NFL side we we saw a very sort of indirect statement from the Eagles in response that really didn't address it and and I'm wondering like why aren't it it's just strange to not hear anything from the NFL because I look at what the Eagles have done over the last few days and you guys can talk about it too, Malcolm Jenkins and everything that's happening. And part of me is proud to be part of that the Eagles are doing this, proud of what the players are doing. And yet it's this strange silence in terms of between the league and the White House in this situation. Yeah, I mean, I feel like one of my earliest memories of football was when the Redskins won the Super Bowl in

1987 and went and met with Ronald Reagan, that clip of Doug Williams throwing the pass to Reagan. And you have to know that big chunks of players on that team did not disagree or did not agree with the president and his stances and his viewpoint of the world. But over and over, the White House and the NFL community found a way to make this event happen year after year. And the idea, what I find that I feel like the Eagles players are almost in desperation trying to make it clear to big chunks of the country, none of us kneeled during the anthem scenario last year. We have a player in Chris Long who gave his entire paycheck for educational funding. We've got other players that have done that. I just spent a week overseas with players

and a coach who gave their time and earned not a cent to go spend time with the military. There are examples on every single team of players who give up their Tuesday, their off day, all season long simply for charity work. And it's a higher percentage than the average office and the average office filled with working men and women. And instead, they are treated this way. And I could see why the frustration is reaching peak level. It appears as if this new National Anthem Policy,

which is really inflamed all of this, has also potentially ended up emboldening the president. And it's caused what he did in lieu of holding this ceremony involving the Eagles was to hold what was deemed a patriot. party of some kind that included the national anthem and God bless America so it's turned into that the policy which was meant to tamp things down

has really made this a much bigger situation and it continues with this White House visit. By the way, I missed this by one year. Sandwich prop. I said the winner of Super Bowl 51 would not go to the White House. 52. That is clearly the largest bullet point to this story. It is.

By the way, an update, I bought you and Wes a sandwich last week. You did indeed. You did. And I would have bought Greg one, but you had already eaten. And so I bought Greg a cup of coffee that he managed to spill all over the floor of the sandwich shop that we were at. And I believe did they give you a complimentary cup in return? Nice store. Nice place.

Did they? I'm just saying, I'm getting tweets all the time. Sessler doesn't, no, I'm going to pay for it out of my own pocket because, you know, I think to go get an expense would feel a little cheap. Bad news around the Giants. The Giants players were informed Tuesday by Coach Pat Schumer that GM Dave Gettlement diagnosed with lymphoma, which is a type of cancer that begins in infection fighting cells of the immune system.

Gettleman, 67 years old, said earlier this week that his quote prognosis is positive, but this comes after the Giants hired Gettleman in December. He was the GM of the Panthers for four years prior to that. And Gettleman plans to work through treatments. And assistant GM, Kevin Abrams and Shermer will obviously help him during this process. Wes, cancer, it pops up everywhere. Yeah, I have a feeling it won't affect his job for a while,

but once he starts going through the treatments, I'll tip my cap to him if he can keep doing, you know, 12, 15-hour days and not have to lean on other people to carry out some of his responsibilities because it does get to be a very arduous process to go through. Yeah, there's not in, you wouldn't expect it. I think everyone wants to respect his privacy. There's such a range of how the process of trying to get better is going to be, and there's not a lot of information,

but he's obviously a guy that we've enjoyed one of the characters in the NFL, and there was a great, great moment in his life. to get this job. I mean, he was almost a lifer with the Giants as kind of a dream job, especially the way that it ended in Carolina for him to land on this job. So you feel for him. I thought you were referring to at the Combine when Mark Sessler approached Dave Gettleman, both men had had some drinks at that point and went up to him, shook his hand,

and said, you're one of the best men in the league. I think I said you're one of the best general managers in the NFL. I thought that was the top moment in Mark's love. He couldn't have been nicer. and I basically just said my dad was a Giants fan, you know, and he's like, oh, yeah, like he got right into it. And it's just like everything that we kind of thought about Gettelman from afar in person, he was that guy. In other news, Carson Wentz, the Eagles quarterback who lost the end of his second season after he torn ACL in December. He continues to be on the right track for week one.

Doug Peterson, the Eagles coach said Wednesday that Wentz has been cleared for seven-on-seven work at OTA. This is a controlled environment, so nothing too heavy duty, but it is yet another sign that the quarterback can be ready for week one against the Atlanta Falcons, and it will be Nick Foles serving as the backup as that season began, but certainly did not finish. Yeah, it's just a signpost that says here we are. He's past this test. He's on pace for week one, and we'll find out more in training camp.

There was some video of him sort of dodging these big medicine-y, medicine ball, balloon ball type things. I don't know what the actual substance of the ball was, but he looked great going left and right and looked surprise. There were bombs actually. I mean they honestly, because like a medicine ball is a certain size it looked from what I saw like an

odd version of a medicine ball, but I probably should have stopped talking about eight seconds ago. Moving on, the Baltimore Ravens again facing discipline for violating offseason workout rules after the CBA. The Ravens will forfeit their final two organized team

activities this week as a result of an undisclosed infraction. Greg, take us behind the scenes. What was this infraction? Who knows? Okay. Vice president. We do know. I don't know.

Oh, Wes. What was the infraction? I believe Wes wrote the article here. I did indeed. John Harbaugh's statement said that the Ravens were singled out for past coverage contact. There could be no less consequential, you know, story every year than a team losing OTAs. Well, they're also losing hunting. hundreds of thousands of dollars.

So, yeah, to Steve Beshati, that matters. Not to me. It's like many of the teams, including the Lions. Why don't you're so selfish, Greg? I'm saying the Lions, for instance, they don't hold, and this is pretty. They don't hold practices. They don't hold nearly as many. They actually haven't.

Oh, they turned around this year. New deal now. They skipped a couple OTAs. They'll show up by September. So it's not a new era, though. I would think this would be on your radar. They went out of their way to not hold two of their OTAs because they don't believe in practicing three straight days.

But they did practice. This week, right, as opposed to last week? Weren't they one of the four teams, first four teams? Yeah, yes. That's progress. Maybe they cut some practices, so some old habits. We'll see if that comes back to bite them. I know this was like bubbled up on Twitter yesterday too,

but when you're the Ravens and you just sort of do this over and over and over, why is the punishment remaining the same over and over? It's actually less this time. Less. The fines were less. It happened for the Seahawks too. They did lose draft picks. and more money when they did it.

I think because it's basically viewed as it's not really that big of an infraction. It's just like some contact in the secondary. You've got to build that mouser now. This is no coincidence that the Ravens keep getting caught. John Harbaugh hates this rule, has called it un-American. I like John Harbaugh. He hates this part of the CPA,

and has basically said, how do we get young players to develop if we can't practice? It's un-American not to help them further their craft. That's how he phrased it. Well, back in the not the old days, but in the 80s and 90s, when you'd hear a coach say, like, we had a great week of practice. It meant that they hit the crap out of each other every single day.

And now it means nothing. John Harbaugh, or some people call him the less crazy Jim Harbaugh. Friend of the show. He was one of the nicest guys when we interviewed him. Although I don't know if he's, I'm not ready to say he's the less crazy one. He's got some heat to him. We've heard. Is he in Jim's class in terms of being eccentric?

No. But I think he's got some things. He's not a guy you would want to cross. No. I think, you know, maybe he just does it not in front of the camera. I'm picking up what you're putting down. We're hearing the same stories. A little behind the scene stuff going on here.

Huh. A little insider on insider talk. I like it. Ryan Chazier held his first press conference Wednesday morning since he suffered that terrifying spinal injury in week 13 last year. He underwent spinal stabilization surgery in December. We saw him come out with a, you know, very, noticeable limb, very stiff at the draft when he announced a Steelers pick.

But despite that and despite the fact that he's already been moved to the reserve physically unable to perform list, which ends his 2018 season, Ryan Chazier is not giving up on the idea that he could return to football. Here's what he said during his presser. Yeah, my dream is to come back and play football again. You know, I've been working my tail off every single day. So I have that in my back of my mind every single I go. every single time I go to rehab, and, you know, I just try to stay positive every single day.

So I'm just trying to do everything I can to get back. I know this is a guy that his whole life was built upon playing football, playing professional football. But I have to say it's like I admire him, but also I can't even imagine how scary it would be, the idea of going back on a football field after what happened. So best of luck to him. Well, this tells me that his doctors have told him it's possible or have not said, hey, it's not possible for you to get back out there.

And there's no way for this to happen again unless you can visualize it yourself. So I love that he's still hesitant his mind to go back out. I made a lot of progress. I mean, that's what strikes me is they, you know, in these cases, usually the first few months are so, so crucial. And he's made a lot of progress in those few months. I mean, you can see it when he's walking up to the press conference. And we don't know him, but a lot of people around him will know him personally

and very well say we don't doubt him. So, I mean, I think, West, you're exactly right. If he knew it was impossible, he wouldn't say these things. So many humans go through life growing up and not doing something they're passionate about for the rest of their lives. And this is a man who's passionate about something. I hope it's not taking it away from it. Best of luck to Ryan Chazier. Moving on.

Zach Miller, who also suffered a horrific injury on the field last season. This was a dislocated knee, shredded all ligaments. He's underwent nine surgeries. leading into January just to try to save the leg, forget about repair the leg, to save the leg. That's how serious the Miller injury was. He was placed on the reserve pup list on Tuesday, which effectively ends the season, which he was never going to play anyway. It came a day after the Bears signed him to a one-year, $458,000 contract.

They did that as an act of good faith, and that's the type of stuff that I would thinks it's well with other players because that's a classy move by an organization. I think growing up, especially in this country, you learn too much how much the almighty dollar is worth and how much it factors into decisions and supports you hear it all the time.

It's a business decision. And we've become numb to it. So when you see somebody make a move where it puts humans above the almighty dollar, it's sort of jolting and I love it. Because we don't have to, like, remove the human factor from all equations and evolve money. Right. They, I mean, he's had nine surgeries since this injury.

You know, both he and Shazir, their lives were irrevocably changed, you know, in a moment. And Miller's not a guy. He had a long NFL career, but he's not a guy that, you know, was making like $10 million a year and everything. And this gesture, yeah, you said it. You always hear there's no loyalty in sports. But this is, this is a loyal by the. bears this is pure loyalty and i think people in any job you have whether it's in football or any

or you work in a cubicle in the middle of iowa when someone you work with is going through a tough time you you monitor how your company treats that person and dan is right that in the locker room the players see how the bears treat someone who's been gone through a lot uh in cleveland brown's news duke johnson signs a three-year 15.6 million dollar extension through 2021 this is a bit surprising maybe it's surprising to duke johnson who who did tweet his displeasure after the Browns took Nick Chubb in the draft. But it turns out the Browns still have obviously big plans for Johnson who had a career high 74 catches in 2017.

You like it, Mark? I like Duke Johnson a lot. I mean, I think he was on a terrible team, a guy that was a quality player last year and he was the year before. And if he were on a different team that was on national television five times a year, whole country, I think, would know who Duke Johnson is for what he can do well. And I kind of think, you know, he may be upset about Nick Chubb, but I keep looking at Carlos Hyde and feel like I'm not even sure Carlos Hyde is on this team a year from now necessarily

with the way, depending on, you know, who they're putting, you drafted someone and you just re-signed someone. Carlos Hyde feels like the guy that's sort of sitting in the middle of this wondering what his role is. Yeah, he's gone. Most weeks last year, when I was going to watch game pass. Duke Johnson was the only reason I stayed awake during Brown's games. Right. He had an exceptional season running after the catch, breaking tackles, making something out of nothing. One of the best receiving backs in the league. You need two backs. And he's, I think, been impressive since day one. And his roles moved up and up just because the coaching staff has learned how to use him better. And the money on this deal is very reasonable. It's good for

both sides. I mean, the third down backs, they do not get paid a lot. But it's also smart. for the Browns to lock it in because that's a great one to punch if Chubb is anywhere close to what they expect. Finally in the news, Terrell Owens gained induction into the, or was voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame this year, but he will not be in attendance.

He declined his invitation to attend the August 4th ceremony in Shrineman ceremony in Canton. He made that announcement Thursday with an official statement, while I am incredibly appreciative of this opportunity, I have made the decision to publicly decline my invitation to intend the induction ceremony in Canton. I have already shared this information with the hall. After visiting Canton earlier this year, I came to the realization that I wish to celebrate what will be one of the most memorable days of my life elsewhere.

At a later date, I will announce where and when I will celebrate my induction. Unprecedented statement released by the Hall of Fame later that someone has made the choice not to intend. attend their own induction ceremony. And it's very strange. And you wonder what the story is behind it because it wasn't like they held Tio out for 15 years and they hung him out to dry. I understand maybe he should have been a first ballot guy,

but he got it in the third ballot. What gives here? Something happened in Canton. By the way, he said the statement. He said, after visiting Canton, I have determined that I don't want to do this. So something about the Hall of Fame made him uncomfortable. Right.

That line was very interesting. And then Adam Schein tweeted out that he was, with Tio in the studio and asked him what friends, what former teammates are going to come watch you be inducted. And he didn't name any teammates. He named three former assistant coaches. And so it just feels like, I don't know, it feels like there's just maybe a lot of bad feelings here. And I feel bad for Tio if that's the end result here. He spoke at Cam Newton's kickball event too, just saying he felt disrespected by having to wait. And I don't know if that's the reason why. But it's a bummer.

It's a bummer, you know, for the weekend, but it's more of a bummer for T.O. Because he's, you don't, you can't tell another grown man like how to live your life or how to live his life. But you would think that it would be an amazing almost every, you would think it would be maybe the highlight of his entire football career if he just let it happen. He would be showered in love. He would realize how everyone does really appreciate him. He would see all these other greats. and he loves the game of football. He would see how the greatest players of all time do respect him.

And you would think it would be sort of a magical, they respect his game, and that's what they'll be talking about. I think so. I don't think people are going to be jerks about it in Hall of Fame weekend, and I think they recognize he's one of the best players of all time. Right, and we've been to a couple Hall of Fame weekends, and they really are like this unadulterated, pure football experience, and I think it's an opportunity to maybe heal some of this stuff,

and you're choosing not to take that opportunity. It's sad. Marcellus Wallace once said that pride is messing with you. F pride. I wonder if he's going to regret this in 10 years. Well, I mean, we'll never. Or if he ultimately, I wonder if he'll ever change his mind. Right.

If enough people try to change his mind. I mean, it's reasonable to be unsure about halls and fame in general. Like if Terrell owns it doesn't have that much of it. People who are enshrined deserve it. They put all the efferves. in and they deserve it to be honored, but there's a little bit of deification in lionizing that's a little too close to religion for me. Like, I love the history of the game, but I'm not that all of that into halls of fame.

It's ironic because T.O. is like, you know, basically been criticized for, you know, self-deification and self-love and glory, and he's passing up basically the ultimate, you know, event for getting that, like, love and de-fate. And it's not the draft. It's not like when guys don't go to the draft and they like to be around their family and their old coaches and have a big party. Like, how are you going to have a party when the event itself is the, I don't know.

Strange. Is no one else uncomfortable with the fact that, weird, that like if 35 of these 50 people, writers say you're in, that's great, you're in. If 34 say it, then you're out. Like, I have a hard time with it. I just, it is, the process is strange. I don't think that's his issue.

Maybe it is. I don't know. But I think the experience, of it could, you know, make that almost irrelevant. I agree with you. Having been there, I agree with you. It's that kind of weekend, but that's what's happening in the news. All right.

At the top of the show, we spoke of the grand news of the week that Wes and the Paramore, Lakeisha Jackson, are engaged to be wed. So without further ado, we have to welcome the bride into the around the NFL podcast studios. Ladies and gentlemen, Lakeisha Jackson, putting the headset on. Wow, she's wearing a wedding dress for the podcast. It's great. Kish, welcome to the around the NFL. Thanks for having me.

How great for our planet. That was one of my favorite comments that someone posted about your Twitter announcement. I started dying laughing. Well, with you in the room, congratulations. Thank you. You know, we're so excited. We can't wait for the wedding. Wedding's going to be a banger.

Where is the wedding going to be? What's going on? When's the wedding? When will it be? Where and when when? It's going to Tyby. Oh, yeah. Going to Tyby.

Oh, that's great. Now, the exact date, though, we don't know yet. Like maybe week seven, week eight, right in the middle of the regular season now. Ely wouldn't allow that. Right when the Browns and Jets are squaring off. No. Ely could be the best man. You have not ruled that out.

250 to one odds, according to Mark. It's a long shot. According to Vegas. Best shot he's got. By looking according to Keisha's face, I think it's longer than that. Oh. Whoa. I plead the fifth.

Now, I don't know if it, West, you brought it up, but I did float the possibility that this would be something that could be done live on the podcast. He told me that. Yeah. And I agree that could have been great, but it's such a personal moment. I can see why, like, it just. Yes. Yeah. But as a host, oh, yeah, that would have been.

Well, what about the wedding live on the podcast to make up for the fact that we didn't, this didn't happen that way? Well, as long as I don't have to deal with anything, I don't care. When we did go back to Tybee a couple weeks ago, you woke up at like three or four in the morning after a night out partying to watch the royal wedding. That was one of the more amazing things I've ever seen. Keisha, who had had a long day and was feeling great, left at 1.30 a.m. so she could wake up at 4 to watch the royal wedding. A lot of people doubted you that you wouldn't be able to pull that off, but you did it. I went to sleep for like an hour, maybe in half.

And I saw that as yet another little nudge to us. He's like, I'm getting up for the royal wedding in the middle of the night. Sure. Let's fly. Yes or no? Oh, yeah. That was a nudge to me? Not really, but, you know, I'm into that. It just was a big moment.

How about this? I don't work well with nudges. How about this? He's my nudger. I don't have to do much of that. He being Dan. Dan, the agent. Just some nudging.

Every time, like, if I'm feeling like about a nudge, you'd always bring it up in the podcast. I'm like, yes. All right. I'm an agent of Nudge. Putting a little fire under there. Very excited. This is great.

You know what? I do have in my life experience, and it's not a great, great thing, but it's a true thing that the people, especially guys, you know, really to having guy friends through the years, family members, you really want your best friends, your close, like cousins, brothers to find a girl that is cool. and what I've learned in my life is that it doesn't always work out that where the guys that you care so much about end up with the girl that you like and would love to spend time with and they want to spend time with you. So this is one of the special

ones where it clicks and why we're so happy and excited. Why I'm so happy and excited because you're the real deal, Kish, and you're a great person and a good friend to all of us and it all, it's like, Legos, baby. That goes the same way for girls too. We want to have fun

hanging out with the husbands and stuff. you always want to like that you guys have to stay fun though that's i mean we you know i'm not going to put up with you guys suddenly oh getting involved in a lot of our own things hey see you later it's like no you better stay available and highly fun thank you much to my relief kisha has made it a point of emphasis over the past few weeks past couple months when we do get married and have kids that we're not going to be slaves to the kids we're still going to have fun as adult you say that i remember when someone i had that conversation she's got a lot of grim plan that she doesn't know How much he's thought.

Hey, half the battle is having that outlook, though. By the way, every couple before having kids has had that conversation, just throwing that out there. You guys are adorable. We have to stay the same. Yeah, but you guys still manage to have fun. See? There are a lot of couples that don't. It's hard work.

It's hard work to have fun. It is pretty amazing, though, to get to this point. Because I think early on in your relationship, I think we all, no, I think we all thought that this day was going to happen. That pretty early on. Maybe even before before. before West seemed to fully wrap his mind around it, that it seemed like this was coming. It was just a matter of time.

He would tell me once we started dating, like stories that you guys would say whenever we weren't even dating, we were just friends, like the night that he ended up crashing on my couch because we had drank too much after the softball game and you being like, oh, this is huge, this is huge. There's a Jim and Pam moment. It all seemed destined at a certain point.

I do remember that. And then when it, because there were some, you know, there's some, you know, pre-Lakesha talent that was just, you know, not up to snuff. And then when Kees rolled in and you guys had the chemistry during the softball season and everything, it was like, this makes sense. Let's go. Let's fly.

And it's like, if it doesn't make sense, it blows up the newsroom. So thankfully it worked out. I will say this, the first time I hung out with Wes, this was like a week after you had moved. And we had been chatting on, you know, our IM client for months. And I was like, I really like this guy. And I was like, I want to give him, like, a drink. buddy, a friend when you showed up, and others did too, but we went, one of the earliest nights

out, we went to this place called Irish Times, and this is, like, I don't even think, Lakeisha, you haven't even met Lakeisha at this point. This is years before that. And West got talking to this girl up at the bar at around, like, 10.30 p.m. And around 1038, they were in an argument. And I thought, this boy's got a long way to go. I have not heard this. Because you were not into it when you moved to L.A. And it's incredible to see the arc from where you started, Wes, as a potential person who would date anyone to hear nice arc sometimes people say it like in a figurative sense i kind of think in a literal sense that lakisha might have saved the west's life i'm being totally serious about that i'll take it as in i would have died of cancer because i wouldn't

have gone to the hospital or the doctor i'm not i mean i'm saying that fight without lakisha would have been maybe an unfair fight potentially what you were up against especially perfect timing I don't deny that at all. I think loneliness is tough. And then you add cancer on top of that. That would have been, yeah, I'm already much more psychologically and mentally fragile because of cancer in some ways. Like, in some ways you're stronger, but in some ways it messes with your mind. And that's really the part where you need somebody by your side.

All right. So this is great. This is a happy week. Make me cry. This is a happy day. Do you want to sit in for the rest of the show, Kish? Because we're going to do in honor of the impending nuptials. And by the way, do you have like, you know, a hashtag?

Because right, Mark, we just missed this. Greg, you were also, you got married a little before. Yeah, 2007. 2007, you were when, Mark? We were not doing hashtags for our way. Yeah, you were at 2009. I was 2012. You don't have to do it.

A lot of people do the hashtags now. Oh, trust me. And Keesh is doing a hashtag. West doesn't have an option in this, you know, choice. He has one hashtag and I have one because. The story is behind it, whenever we first started dating, my mom, not my mom, but my sister and my nephew were in town. And my sister has a way of just knowing if people are just good people or just liking them. So whatever he came over and met her, that was our like first night dating.

And right away, she loved him and said, hashtag Team Wesleyan. So from day one of us dating, it was hashtag Team Wesleyan. I have tried to put my foot down on this issue with the hashtags. Already it's come up. Oh, it's come up so many times. Sometimes I said I am not having a hashtag for my wedding and I've already lost this battle. You don't have to use it though. I've already lost this battle.

It's a partnership now. So we have two. West locked it up is a hashtag. That's pretty good too. So two of them now. Pretty good. Okay. So in honor of this momentous occasion, let's talk about some marriages.

Real talk about marriage in the NFL. What is this segment? This segment is we're going to bring up some partnerships in the league. we'll talk about the state of the relationship. What kind of marriage is it? Okay. I think I'll get it going. How about that?

Sure. We'll start it and then we'll go around the room. Kish, you have one too? I have one. Excellent. Is it involved your favorite football team? Possibly. Okay.

That's good. That's even better. That's love. Close to your heart. Say what you know. Important. Here we go. I'll start in L.A. too, but with the other team.

Okay. This was an arranged marriage. Think about it. An arranged marriage. Here is. here's the groom. It's this team that wanted to be more upwardly mobile, wanted the wealth,

wanted the status, and decided to do that. They wanted to get into a partnership, a marriage with a city in Los Angeles, which is the bride here. But guess what? It's an arranged marriage. They didn't fall in love. This wasn't anything that happened naturally.

And so what happens? The first year of this marriage is rocky. It doesn't it doesn't click it doesn't work because as much as the groom wants it to fly the bride's like i don't feel it it just this isn't working i don't have that connection that you want us to have so what does the groom do the groom being the chargers oh yeah the groom says all right i may have botched us a little bit i'm going all in in year two and he gets himself put together he's the best version of himself and now he's putting himself out there again to the bride

saying look I've improved myself I know I wasn't perfect here I am for you will you love me it's like we've got a starter house we're going to move to a bigger place in a few years just just this is this house is comfortable for a few years and then we'll move into the nice I mean their living arrangement is a source of stress in the relationship but it's so much bigger than that hey when the girl's not feeling it the worst thing you can do is Crowder you got to give her some space right I was going to say you know some now arranged marriages not, you know, common in this country as much, but it's certainly common in, uh, in some culture.

Some, some, well, you know, it isn't, it isn't among some immigrants in the country. There's still some arranged marriages. Okay. Sometimes, um, you know, that relationship, they stay married, but maybe there's never that, that great love. So you never know. You don't know this early on is what I'm saying. Well, you're going to, it turns into a partnership, but maybe not a true love. Could be a depressing marriage is what I'm saying, especially when, yeah, They have their anniversary celebrations. But it could develop over time. And they have an 80,000-seat stadium, and there's no one there.

Especially when the bride in this equation has had eyes for decades for a team called the Raiders. So, you know, you're always kind of wondering what would have happened had I formed this union? The Raiders moved on, though. Well, I'm just saying that's, but that's a real trashy. But there's a partner. Yeah, real trash. I mean, it's sexy, but, you know, a little. Hey, dangerous, kind of a bad boy.

You're not taking her home to mom. It could blow up. or could, you know, kind of over time, they're kind of still in the dating phase even though they're married. Well, a few transcendent moments would help. Yeah. And that trust builds naturally.

How about a little Philip Rivers' Super Bowl? How about you have 60,000 kids to fill up the stadium? That might help you. Philip Rivers has all 60,000 of them? Wait, you're talking about 60,000 Band-Aid babies? I'm just saying, like, you're going to have a stadium with thousands of seats, like maybe have a family to fill up the seats, a giant family.

Rivers is definitely the man for the job. He can know. Oh, he is, you're right. He's going to need a longer lifespan, And in literal terms, yes, the Chargers, they could be one of the best teams in the AFC. So does a year of this marriage's partnership lead to people starting to get interested in the team here? I'm not convinced. I don't feel buzz in the city about the Chargers.

I feel it about the Chargers. Do you like that as a Rams fan that they've clearly kind of taken the early lead here in Los Angeles? Of course I love that because at first I was a little worried about the Chargers. Well, let's stay in L.A. Go ahead. Let's talk about your marriage. The groom, Sean McVeigh, bride, Jared Gough. Hot Groom.

So Gough is getting out of a toxic relationship with Jeff Fisher. There's no connection. They weren't a good fit. He's tired of the 7-9 bullshit. Then McVeigh comes into his life. They fall in love. They compliment each other. McVe brings out the best.

He's whispering sweet nothings in Gough's ear. Last season was the hundred. mood phase, and now, like, they're ready to have kids and buy kids. I mean, some trophies. Yeah, I love it. That's great. It is true. Last year was, everything was just lovey-dovey.

Oh, yeah. And everything worked. But now the real living begins. It's the true test. They don't have to worry about the seven-year itch for another six years. Is it accelerated, though, in the scale of an NFL partnership? Like a dog-year-s type version? Might be two or three years.

But they still could technically be in the honeymoon period, too. Oh, I think they are. Expectations are so high this year, though. It's so different than what was going on this time last year. That's fair. Yeah, but they're newlyweds. They're in love and loving happily ever after. So you have a very optimistic viewpoint.

Oh, yeah. This is like a match made it happen. I was excited for last season, but this season, who, the new additions, like, I'm just, yeah. Is this? I mean, you are like the number one Rams fan because you're the only diehard St. Louis Rams fan that moved at the exact same time as the Los Angeles Rams out here. Everyone back home hates me, though. It doesn't matter.

You got a new husband on the way. You can just start your life over. You don't need anybody. Kids will be Rams fans. Your mom still loves you. She's in St. Louis. I think that's a great compromise. There'll be Rams fans and Cincinnati Reds fans.

Okay, let's not go there. Or you just won't have nearly as much control over your children. A big St. Louis Cardinals fan. Yes. We'll chop the jerseys in half and we'll see. That's what you think. This is my hashtag. tag. Mark, what do you got? I have a couple that I think has kind of lucked out here a little bit.

Kirk Cousins and John D. Filippo, the Vikings offensive coordinator. And they kind of remind Johnny D. would work his way into this. Well, listen, here's the thing. I think that he, a, he's just coming off a nice Super Bowl win. And he rolls into Minnesota. And this feels kind of like one of those kind of hot, like, L.A. urban young couples that, like, has, they both have, like, well, really high paying jobs. Oh, yeah. They have no responsibilities. You know, maybe they have a dog that someone else takes care of.

They're living in a loft downtown. Yeah, they're just like, and they have, hey, we'll show up to this party and that party. They're flying. They're just like their bank accounts accruing. Downtown's awesome right now. Yeah, there's no real controversy in the marriage so far. And all their friends who have like kids and responsibilities, like, what is up with

these two? WTF with these two constantly floating from cloud to cloud. And, I mean, they have not had a single, they haven't weathered a single storm together. And they landed onto a team that if everyone, if Kirk Cousins does what everyone thinks he'll do. And John DiFilippo, who I think actually, if you go back to when he was the Browns coordinator, on a bad Browns team, maximize players.

He did a great job with the Eagles quarterbacks. What more could he have done? They could win a Super Bowl very quickly. And this couple is even more annoying to all of us who are, you know, wondering, we're working day jobs. These guys are flying. That's interesting because you could have the same type of marriage explanation for who we just talked about as well,

maybe even more so with McVeigh because they're proven in everything golf. This couple, to me, is also kind of like the couple's like, oh, it all makes so much sense. It's almost like when West and Lakeisha got together and you're a little envious, like, oh, they found each other. Exactly. I think it's like happy for you, but kind of like,

oh, well, you're kind of hoping that they have to go through some sort of something together. I feel like we did. Oh, yeah. Well, no, that's where it's not like you guys. You guys went through something. Just a bit. It's not like you guys.

I like that one. I feel like if Mark was going to write some erotica about any of these couples, it's this one. You know what I'm saying? Greg, that's an interesting comment. They showed up at the downtown loft as the sun went down. This couple sounds great. I like it. And who would have guessed that Kirk Cousins would, you know, crowd in on Mark's territory?

I always figured to be him and D. Filippo. You know what I mean? I like D. Filippo. Do you ride or die with Johnny D. No, I think he's going to prove any doubters out there wrong. I think he's going to be a good offense coordinator. I think you're on the ground floor with Johnny D on a lot of levels. I don't think there's a lot of doubters.

It's just like you love this offensive coordinator who built his career and now he's getting a big shot. I'm excited for you. I dig him. I'm excited for him. I'd be happy for Vikings fans. Maybe you show up with a lot loft little three. I'm not going to get in the way. I'm not going to get in the way.

I know where I was going. All right, Wes, you're up. Let's go with a newlywed couple. You know, last year Mitch Trubisky was the bride swept off his feet by a experience. Older Gentleman and John Fox, who has been through a lot more in life. May December romance. May have been worn down by a little of it. And, you know, this elderly, not elderly, but, you know, gentlemanly type, really put him in, really put Trubisky in some bad spots.

You know, Evan Silva this week said he's been studying the Bears last year for Sharp Magazine and was amazed at how poorly they were managed, how many bad decisions. decisions they made, how difficult they made life for Mitch Trubisky, a lot of run, run, pass series. And now you're getting a fresh young guy coming in, willing to try new things like RPO's. What's Trubisking going to do with some RPO? What does that stand? Yeah, put him in that position. You know, that's, put them in the RPO position. So there's a lot to like about where this marriage is going keeping it fresh i like it keeping it fresh i like it we're skewing positive on a on a good day on a good yeah well i have it but you guys are well i love it they're all they're all great

marriages yeah any other thoughts any yeah the topic is on the table i got hung up by the rPO thing i know you really what else it could stand for besides run pass option and oh you're going through options in your minds yeah just always just always good to keep the marriage fresh absolutely Remember that. They don't know what they don't know. You know, kind of like these young couples, they don't know what they don't know, though, right now. They are in the newlywed phase.

Young, dumb, and full. Yeah, they're just going to, they're just going to, the regular scene is going to arrive, and then they're going to be tested. Absolutely. Filled with love. All right, Greg, you're up. All right, you said we were skewing positive.

Mine is a relationship a little, a little farther along. And it's Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rogers. And right now, they're kind of a marriage that's staying together for the kids. You know, the best years, probably in the rear view, they've had a lot of great times together. You mentioned having some kids in terms of the trophy. I mean, they've got NFC North Division titles just all over the place. They've got a Super Bowl title. They've got a couple of MVPs that they work together.

I mean, they've done a lot together, and that's why it's hard to break. It's hard to make that choice to break up when you've had all that success, because there's a hope. Maybe you could have a little renaissance. But really, they're thinking about the kids. All those Packer shareholders out there that just want to want this era to get a little more. It's been great, but it could be even better. And so they're just staying together, hoping upon hope,

even though the sparks haven't really been there lately, that it'll turn around. I got to ask you, Greg, who wears the pants in this relationship? I think Aaron Rogers wears the pants because, you know, in all really, you know, in some relationships, he's still looking like he just got married. I mean, he's looking good. He's looking great on the field. He's still at his highest level. And there's been questions, more questions, like, what's McCarthy really bringing to the relationship right now?

So, you know, I think that's, I think he's definitely wearing the pants. I had another one that kind of piggybacks off that a little bit because it's the Cowboys and Jason Garrett. And it's a similar situation where it's maybe. high school sweethearts uh they get together one way to look at things things start out well but as time goes on things stagnate all of a sudden date nights on the town become nights on the couch uh maybe you know one guy one side you know lets the gym membership laps the other

stops going on or jogs in the morning uh all of a sudden it's about the kids and it's about making money in the job and you just lose whatever it was they're in that grind they're in that grind. It's that grind. It's that life grind. And I feel like the Cowboys and Jason Garrett are in that place where you have to start asking some hard questions whether you should still be together. Or if you're, it's just a marriage

of convenience at this point. Convenience. Does the marriage stand a chance when it started out as a kept woman? Never works out. Jason Garrett has been kept by Jerry Jones for a long time even before he was like a concubine almost. He took his wife.

under his wing in this situation at a very young age and taught her about life very young and you could say yeah it's been Jason Garrett was a young ingenue and been very influential I mean you remember Jason Garrett he he had a chance to leave he had a chance before he ever officially got married in Dallas he had the job in Baltimore just waiting for him he would have had the job that went to John Harbaugh and just over the years he he thought he had just built this relationship almost like he's brainwashed or something like that he's got to Jerry Jones has a lot invested. Very interesting.

We're low on time. Does anyone have a quick one they want to throw out or? I'll do a real quick one. Go for it. Which is just Ron Rivera and David Tepper. It's like stepdad just showed up, you know, and you better be on your best behavior. It's a whole different house. You don't know what the rules are going to be.

It's more a family dynamic rather than a marriage. It's a little different. Yeah. Yeah, stepdad just showed up. So Ron Rivera is married. to Charlotte or the Panthers. David Tepter is the stepdad coming in and overseeing.

He's big daddy. At what point does Ron Rivera go, you're not my real dad? Is that week six, week seven? I mean, if that hasn't already happened, yeah.

He's just hoping he's nice, wants to impress him. He's already happened. I don't know if Ron's going to make it to week one. If he drops him with a, you're not my real dad bomb. It's solid analysis. All right,

good, good marriage talk. Marriage, it's a crapshoot. Owich. That's the takeaway, but we're very confident to the one that's in the middle of this room right now is going to work. Wow, marriage on Tybee.

I know. It's not to be lit. For the record, that is her decision. I'm not looking forward to run into this Jim Glass film. I'll tell you that. And coming up next week, at some point, We'll lay out all the odds on best man for Wes. And maybe we might even have some odds for the maid of honor.

The patron of honor. Who knows? There's already some underlying tension from the fact that I want the wedding to be as least formal as possible. And she is a woman in America. So that's going to run up against the opposition. But I'm not as formal as a lot of people are. I want to have pizza and salad. That's what we're having for dinner.

Yeah, she's willing nuts. She wants to have it. and Tybee Island. It can't be too. It can't be too family. I just don't believe in rules. Like, do what you want as a couple, not what people have been doing for thousands of years.

Wow. This will be some wedding. That's my fiance. I don't think that, like, people, other people who are doing it is ever going to be a good reason to do anything. Another, there you go. Another program note next week is mandatory mini camps for all or most?

All but four teams. All but four are the lines. in or out. Greg? No, they're back. They're back in O-Dakys, I think. They are serious this season. So we will do three shows next week, a little early June,

a banger of a three, and we lost Mark again. He's off the hook again. He's going to be not with us next week. I won't be with you. I don't regret that. You saw the schedule that we, that was the week where he had three shows. Does anybody think that's a coincidence, by the way?

No one. Look, I planned this months ago, but I am not unhappy with how it came, you know, how it matched up with this next week's schedule. We'll miss you, Mark, your second staycation. And hopefully this one goes a little bit better than the first. It's going to be absolutely great. All right. This is Dan Hansa signing off for a quiet storm.

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