NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Elway Loves Flacco, Over/Under on 2019 Free Agent Signings

Episode Date: March 15, 2019

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal discuss Kareem Hunt’s suspension (8:30), Golden Tate to the Giants (14:45), Jaguars releasing Blake Bortles (21:15), John Elway’s comments on Joe Flacco (26:25) and breaking news of the Titans trading for Ryan Tannehill (37:00). Plus, the heroes look ahead to the 2019 season to play a round of over/under on the latest free agent signings (40:00).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hanses and I'm joined in a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosethal. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. Friday. We made it to the end of the Yellow Brick Road. Mark, it's a new day.

Is it starting to sink in a little bit more? Is what's starting to sink in? Are you serious? Well, that we're going to be covering the Browns at the Super Bowl. Right. The Browns are... Where is it, Miami? So it's like Browns...

It's like the playoff field is set. We have the Browns and 11 other teams. It is starting to sink in, but I want to make it very clear. I want to make it very clear that if the Browns make the Super Bowl, I will not be working that day. I will be there, but I will be a human being running full speed ahead in the stands, doing what I want to do. Right.

I mean, it seems comical to thought of the Jets being in the Super Bowl, but if that ever happened, I'm already on record. I'm not working either. I would do a cameo on the show if they won. Yeah, can we call you at least? Yes, no, there would be absolutely that. But I would not appear in an event of a loss. But this is all great problems.

The idea of, oh, the Browns losing the Super Bowl, what a horrible thing that would be. That would mean you made the big game. I'm already getting tweets, though. One could say that that's giving up on your team, not the Jets or the Browns, but the team in this room, in what could be like the most rewarding moment for the listener ever. I mean, I definitely would rather be cramped

in one of those auxiliary press boxes where you can't move your knees. They give you like a ham sandwich wrapped in plastic and a stale cookie instead of enjoying the full experience that I've waited 40 plus years to enjoy as a good. I mean, as a Patriots being in the Super Bowl isn't even special at this point.

The idea of the Browns or the Jets, that's almost like it's impossible. I've covered six. I had to do, I've seen three on each side now. If they made a second, I would go back to my media duties. If the Bengals make the Super Bowl,

You back in? Can't finish it. Would you get back in? No, it's too lappable. You don't think that Bobby Hart, John Miller combo is going to bring the back there. Let's start with winning a playoff game first. Ah, gun rack.

There is a couple things real quick on a hit. Number one, related to O'Dell Beckham going to the Cleveland Browns and the blockbuster trade of the year, maybe the decade. A person on Twitter reminded me of this, and I wish I remembered their hand. but you know who you are.

Jay Glazer nailed it. Oh, yeah, he did. Jake Glazer. In his mailbag. And we were, let's face it, we were dismissive of it. You were. We weren't at all. I, in fact, said it.

I was trying to save you. You were the one that said, let's not talk about this anymore. I was trying to be, I was using the Royal Wing. I was saying if Glazer is putting in there, it's, I mean, Glazer's a little different. That's what I said. Different cat. Well, I'm the guilty party who said, if you look at the context, he was just asked a question. Right. And at the Combine, when Gettleman made his infamous comment that we didn't sign O'Dell Beckham to trade him, we were all kind of exhausted and put a moratorium on talking about it anymore.

That's right. But Jay Glazer in a mailbag, Mark is right, in a mailbag tossed off that that could be a trade that would shock people. I mean, part of it was, I think, what Greg's referring to, because you do the mailbag here at NFL.com, a little mailbag on mailbag heat. Right. And I would just say, as a challenge. to you as a friendly challenge, you have a little bit of work to do in your next mailbag to get

sort of back onto par with what happened with. It's the same way that Bill Simmons feels about Hansis. He was like, I was the mailbag guy. Don't come on my corner. I don't like it. No, Glazer forever has my respect in the mailbag game after that. The other thing is,

we've talked about this on the podcast, and this is much far more esoteric, but we had the big mural outside at NFL media headquarters, and we've been wondering for a long time, there's eight players on the wall. And we were saying who is going to be the first guy that's going to mess up the mural.

And JJ Watt, Josh Norman, Aaron Rogers, Von Miller, Rob Grikowski, Pat Peterson, Cam Newton, and Antonio Brown. It's been years too. Bosa's inside the building. The wall shot! On a mural-like place that was never completed, it seems like. It's a great question, Dan,

because we are moving out of this building in 2022. It's official. You can now go into a room in the NFL Build.com building. Huge waste of office space and resources. Where you can look at the plans for the building we're moving into. So do they even bother to fix it up? Are they just like kind of do it like a cheap version where they just like write oak over the top of his jersey?

It's like why even bother fix it at this point? We're leaving. Got a sick money into that. The painter was here for a month. You got to get him back. Wes. Roger Goodell tear down that wall. Politics.

Nailed it. Save it for the political show. Save it for the Glass Nost show. Big show coming up. I don't know what that means. What's Glass Nost? Oh, damn. What?

Wasn't it Gorbachev's program to... Sort of like a post-Soviet reclamation project. I could be totally wrong about that, but it was something like that. It was about the Berlin Wall, though. But it was Gorbachev and post, you know, iron curtain and all this other stuff. I feel like Gorbachev not getting a lot of pop these days, considering, like, the massive figure he was at the time. You know what I mean? Like, he's just been a little lost history.

Preach. Garby. Stuff has happened. Used to be a big deal. All right. Coming up on today's show, we talked about it on Wednesday that it was coming. So we'll do it at the end of the show, some over-unders for new players in new places, old faces, new places. But we got some more news to get to because this is the end of free agency week.

It is winding down in terms of the hot and heavy action, but there's still important moves being made. So we're going to go spin through it all. But we will start with a ban. Another word for suspension. Let's get to the news. I know, Dan Hansus, Jets fan number one at our building from the Around the NFL podcast, was just crying at his desk.

Shout out to Greg. I was not watching NFL Network at the time, but in a live interview with Anthony Barr, the linebacker who agreed to join the Jets and went back to the Vikings and said he was crying after he made the initial decision. Andrew said that to Anthony Barr, which I, speaking of esoteric,

I imagine Anthony Barr did not know what the hell. No, that was he, yeah. What was his response? He seemed confused by a, or shocking. A little uncomfortable by the whole interview, because I got to say Andrew, you know, pushed pretty hard on the whole decision, and he felt bad.

He said it was one of the worst days of his life. I think he ultimately wishes he could have just been celebrating this great new deal for the Vikings, but it's like there's all these awkward questions where he said he was literally kind of sick to his... Like when he said it, he started getting the cold sweats and just felt like, oh my gosh, I made this mistake. He also called the Jets.

Had he gone to the Jets akin to marrying the wrong woman, which I found a little bit strong. We didn't need to... That they were willing to offer you a lot of money, you know? Well, you know what? He made the right move, though. As annoying as it was, if you were having second dots at that level,

you go back to where you came. And like I said, in Garfolo on our Free Industry Live show, this week. I asked him if the Jets signed Barr, would they have not gotten Levi-on-Bell? Garifolo said that he thinks it still would have happened, but there's no doubt that Barr spurning them and leaving all that money in their piggy bank

led to the Jets kind of going harder after Bell. So I think it's okay in the end. I'm not upset about it. I did not cry, but it was a good bit. I mean, the only way to get paid is to threaten your current employer that you're going to leave. Well, he's a rare guy, though, that took less money. Isn't that so, Wes.

I mean, in a lot of cases, that's, I mean, I think a lot of people would have. That would not work here. Right, no, you're right. But this is a rare case where he took less money. It doesn't happen too often in the NFL. And I don't think it was like the Vikings stepped up and gave him a great contract. But he took less money.

It might have been the Greg Williams factor. You never know. All right. Let's start with the ban. The Browns, the former employer of Greg Williams, they know how long Kareem Hunt's going to be out. The running back is out eight games violating the NFL personal conduct policy. The league announced this on Friday.

Friday. Hunt has accepted the punishment and does not plan to appeal. He released a statement saying he apologizes for what happened and what did happen. The chiefs cut him in late November after a video surfaced of the running back shoving and kicking a woman during a February 2018 incident at a Cleveland hotel. The message being put out by the Browns this whole time has been we're supporting Kareem. We're working with him toward a second chance. Well, now we know when he comes back. when he does come back, if he could stay on the straight and arrow, he will be another big addition to that offense.

It still feels to me like the one off note of what has been a big offseason for them, where I get it that someone like Cream Hunt was going to get a chance somewhere because he's just talented enough. But you could have kept him out for the entire year and found out where he was personally next off season too. That would have been fine with me. From the football side, there's been all this whisperings about Duke Johnson being openly available in a trade because he's the odd man out. If they do use Kreme Hunt, my question would be if it spurns them to keep him around, because then you're one injury away from having nothing in the backfield.

Well, and it's a risk. I mean, it's scheduled for eight games. You would assume that's what it is, but the Browns have been through this in a very different circumstance where you never know. Because this wasn't for one incident. That's why it wasn't six games. it was for two incidents the NFL made that clear and you're right it is the one off note because this whole time it's kind of awkward this week when everyone's like and everyone's going to be so excited for this brown's offense odal beckham you know david and joky kareem hunt and it's just like

it doesn't feel right something strange about just kind of throwing hunt into that mix right now they could have i think the any all NFL teams could have waited for this suspension to go down but the browns couldn't wait to sign them they started this automatic six week thing a few years ago and we're still getting six weeks suspensions. To me, that's not enough of a deterrent. Exactly. The rate should be 0%. Make it a full year suspension, I think.

I like that. Let's move on. Teddy Bridgewater on our Wednesday show. We talked about it. He looked like he was going back to the Saints. Jane Slater, our own Jane Slater, reported that it was going to happen and a deal was in place. Teddy got cold feet.

He met with the dolphins, but at the end of the day, he ends up sticking with New Orleans Saints, who signed the quarterback to a one-year deal worth $7.25 million fully guaranteed rap sheet reported maximum value of $12.5, you would imagine he'd have to get on the field and play a lot, which would mean a Drew Breeze injury. But 7.25 guaranteed as a backup is very good money. Bridgewater remains, I suppose, the next in line in New Orleans, potentially. If Drew Briggs walks away, he is 40 years old.

Mark, ultimately, is this a good signing for the Saints? Well, I've talked about my feelings. I mean, I think Wes ultimately is correct on how he felt Teddy Bridgewater viewed this situation, that it was a better way to keep his career moving in an upward trajectory to be with a team where he had a very good experience there and to continue. I'll say one more time that I would rather see a player get back on the field and play to have a better chance at a long-term contract. but the dolphins are a weird landing spot,

so I totally think Teddy did what was right for him. And the Saints are a great situation if you have a chance to take over for Drew Breeds. There was one thing out there. There was reports that Teddy Ridgewater was hesitant to sign with the Saints because of whispers that Sean Peyton is basically teed up to take the Cowboys job next year.

And it's a one-year contract. I mean, the Air Apparenting is great. He's got a foot in the door. He can learn that system. But it's not like the Saints are like closing. off their mind to drafting young quarterbacks, I don't think, because Teddy Bridgewater is there. The most fascinating thing to me, though, is what's Ryan Tannehill doing? Because Teddy Bridgewater said there was a report from ESPN.

He would have gone to Miami if they offered him, quote-unquote, life-changing money. Essentially, I would bet starting quarterback money. Someone said 15 million. Right. So, like, start, so that's like a tanking tax. Right. And so Ryan Tannhill is still on the roster, and the Miami Herald reported way back in December, they're not keeping them.

I think Ryan Tannahill is the most likely guy now to be the weak one starting quarterback. I did check with our insiders on this. Wait, does he get an apology contract? No, I don't think so. Because at this point, if you cut him, you're eating like $13 million in dead money anyways. And yeah, he's going to be on your tax on your cap for a lot. But it's like at this point, would you rather cut Ryan Tannahill, eat a bunch of dead money and start Blake Bortles or just like keep Tannahill? Well, what's the relationship at this point?

You wonder if it's fractured and they need a fresh start. But he's on the roster, so that tells me that they're considering it. It's an option. He's not, listen, Ryan Tannhill is not a terrible quarterback. And if he's a perfectly front bridge guy, in fact, probably maybe the best in the league if you're looking at that time. I'd rather have Ryan Tannahill than Eli Manning as a bridge guy to a rookie. So it makes sense. It just a question of whether the new coaching staff wants Tannahill in the building.

One thing is I read in a thing about, oh, the seventh year quarterback is about, I was like, wait, he's not been in the league for seven years. And I, yes, he has. And I thought, name one memorable Ryan Tannahill moment that would lead his highlight film. I cannot think of one. The way I used to feel about Sam Brown. Well, you had the Miami miracle. That is not a miracle.

Wasn't that Kenyon Drake doing all the work? Yeah, but he was on the field for that, right? But he's not. But he's, what did he do? I remember this game is rookie air against the air. It was memorable. I remember this game is rookie year against the Arizona Cardinals. and I think I've held on to this memory for way too long

where it was like he went up and down the field with like a Nick Ful's Super Bowl type performance, not on a great Cardinal Steve. And I was like, wow, Ryan Tanna Hill is the future. So that's my moment. My only memory is five years worth of Dolphins fans telling me he was better than Andrew Luck. That wasn't true.

All right, moving on. It's also 31. He came into the league kind of old. Moving on. The Giants have their Odell Beckham Jr. replacement. Oh, poor Giants fans. That's a real thing we're talking about right now.

And it's Golden Tate, who signs a four-year, $37.5 million deal. $23 million fully guaranteed rap sheet reported, according to Wes and Greg's list. This was the top wideout on the available free agent list. And last year he split between Detroit and Philly. He was a production machine with the Lions. He got moved to Philly.

Kind of disappeared in that offense, had a big touchdown in the playoffs. But other than that, did not really make the impact. The Giants now, Greg, bring in a receiver. at 30 years old. It doesn't seem to fit in with where this franchise is headed, but it does add somebody and they didn't need somebody with Sterling Shepard. I don't understand all the criticism the Giants took for this particular deal.

It's all connected to Beckham. I get it. I get it, but everyone immediately was like, what's the plan here? What? They're not tanking. First of all, if you thought they were tanking, you're not paying attention. Almost no one tanks. They're trying to win.

This was a wide receiver who we had ranked number. number one. The contract's like a little more than I expected at this point in free agency, but it's not much more than Adam Humphreys or Jameson Crowder. I think you can criticize a million other parts of this process and other moves that they've made, but they do have a pretty decent group of weapons. I mean, Golden Tate, Evan Ingram, Saquan, Barclay, Sterling, Shepard is a nice group of weapons. I know, you know, if you want to be a hater to get Dave Gettleman, I totally get it, but this contract to me makes them better. I got no problem with it. So they've totally conceded out

outside the numbers and downfield to Eli Manning's arm right now. You would love to have a vertical threat, yes. They're only proven receivers or slot receivers. Right, but the Patriots have, you know, kind of done that for years. Right, but this isn't the page. I know, I'm just saying, like, adding Golden Tate to me isn't a bad thing. I would, you know, Golden Tate's a good football player. On its own, it's fine.

And had the O'Dell Beckham thing not happened and you add someone like Golden Tate even more so, but it's more like the PR mess that the Giants can't seem to navigate for the first time in their franchise history three years running where it's just another thing that when you put the whole ugly soup together, Giants fans are like, why am I excited about next season or any season? Well, Gettoman's desperate to be right.

You know, they're desperate to win nine. Like, I think this is a team that's hoping they can somehow find a way to nine wins. No one thinks they're winning a Super Bowl. But he'd loved for Eli Manning to have a decent enough season. And he's got a good enough players around him at least. That is a horrendous plan, hoping for nine wins

with an ugly, ugly expansion roster. It's a bad week to be a Giants fan. Speaking of Dave Gettelman, he made a big move back in his Panthers Day days to bring in Matt Khalil. He signed a five-year, $55 million contract. I think it was one of the last big deals, Gettlement handed out in the Panthers days.

It didn't work out at all. And after spending the entire season in 2018 on IR with a knee injury, Khalil, the left tackle was released, rap sheet first reported the transaction so he made a lot of money did not do a lot and now he's on the street and the panther's still looking for help on the line

this was a bad signing Matt Khalil what they get one year out of him and one bad year that was one that everyone first guessed you know because he was a pretty bad tackle in Minnesota overdrafted the

the tackle free agency situation hasn't really changed over the last couple years offensive linemen just get insane money in free agency. And it seems like in most best case scenarios, they're fine. And then in worst case scenarios, they're Matt Khalil. I mean, he was a disappointment with Minnesota. That's why it was first guest. He was, I think, a top five draft pick.

It was in that range when he came into the league. And immediately he didn't really play at that level. But sometimes, I guess, in this league, especially when you got that funny money, just the pedigree and maybe some good tape, you could talk yourself into, oh, we can make this. this guy a stud on the line, but in this case, it didn't. They had line issues for a long time, too.

It's like they were one of those candidates to overspend. And like, I think it's just that where will football be in 20 years from now when you don't have like these farm fed, like gigantic people that want to play. I like this thing that you have. No, I just, I just think that like in general, the toughness factor of people is lowering. And that is going to impact someone that's asked to play through knee problems for 12 years and take hits from gigantic people versus becoming, you know, a hedge fund type individual. Not better this week, though.

Matt Paradis and Daryl Williams on the offensive line for pretty good cheap money, I think. So in this era mark where the rich, the elite, are greasing the palms of people to get their idiot children into high-level institutions, higher learning, this is the world you speak up. It is a slice of the cake that I speak of. But here's the thing. The NFL has always drawn most of their players. from different types of people. I mean, it's always been an opportunity to escape the life that you're growing up.

That was true in the 50s, 60, 70s. It's true today. And there's more... Right, there's more inequality now than there's ever been. I'm not saying that my theory is rock solid, but it's just in general. I'm interested. I like your theory.

I just think that offensive linemen seem to be, like, on the college level and the pro level, it's hard and harder to find these people. Do you also believe that the children are using iPad-type devices? too often playing those video games, looking into that heavy metal. We have no long, I don't know my heavy metal. The iPad, when, like, kids at 5 and 6 are using iPads,

we have no long-term study on what that becomes when they are... Get out there and push a sled, build your lower body. Right. Get in the gym. I don't want the gym. Just run around nature. It's not like you can get a paper route anymore. Right.

Any 5-year-olds that have iPads weren't. Generally, the ones becoming offensive would have been the type of become offensive of Leibman in the NFL anyways. Well, we don't know that. That is as much of an assumption as every part of my argument. Listen, how dismissive Greg's being of what I think is a real thought-provoking take on America. It's just more of a question than a fact. I'm asking a question.

Will this will football be changed by this utter lack of toughness in human beings in America? Moving on. Blake Bortles, he's got a tough in America. He don't got a job no more because with Nick Foles installed as the franchise quarterback in Duval County with the Jaguars, Bortles tenure with Jacksonville's over. They officially part ways as the new league year kicked in and Falls' contract became official.

Of course, another high draft pick once upon a time. Third overall, nearly got to the Super Bowl a couple of years ago and it led to a terribly misguided contract extension last year. That Tom Coughlin defended and said he doesn't regret and doesn't think he made him this week. Tom, take the L, Tom. These Giants executives and X Giants executives. It's bad.

It's bad. You got to take the L there. But Bortles hits the street, so there is another option. If you're looking for a backup quarterback, West, does Bortles hold any value to you if you're looking for somebody to fill out a quarterback room? I think he's the perfect, perfect quarterback for the dolphins to start 16 games if you're organically tanking. Are we jumping in the fish tank? I would just say sign him up.

Sign him up. up for that adventure, 16 games and see where you end up in next year's draft. Ken, we're jumping in the fish tank, dude. Gets to stay in the same state. People like the income tax thing associated with that. People. People do like it. People like to talk about the income tax for story.

If you really are organic tanking, that Blake Bortles is perfecto. Well, I mean, you could just go, you could cut Ryan Tannahill and just go with the rest of the step chart you have right now. Is Matt Moore still there? No, Matt Moore is retired. You get that more back in the building? It's David fails. He's a free agent.

Jake Ruddick, Luke Fock. I am not starting a quarterback named Fawkes. I'm just not doing it. Bring Fails back. Brock's a free agent too, by the way. He's out there. I'd rather have Brock for sure than Bordels. I could see this being a Ryan Fitzpatrick destination as well.

Fitts is going to sign somewhere. That's a nice. I'm not saying he's coming off a nice season. Some degree, but like, that's a thing about the NFL, though. Like, there's a decent chance you can stumble into seven wins. That's one of the things I believe in most. It's really not that hard to win five or six games. Like, would it really stun you if the dolphins somehow found a way to come in second in the AFC East?

Yes. I think the bills and jets just got a lot better. You just get a few things going your way. Flores turns out to be a great coach. It's like a nice year where you overachieve. What did they finish last year? Everything, they got so many breaks last year. Their problem is they haven't, they were much worse than their record.

They were seven to nine. They haven't been bad enough to go get that quarterback number one overall. They've always been this sort of six, seven, eight wins. They were a five and eleven team that went seven to nine last year. No doubt. So I feel like five and eleven might be their ceiling this year. But you're right though. That's not a killer division outside the pets, even with the improvements with the other teams.

Jordy Nelson's done in Oakland, one and done. The Raiders released Nelson on 30. They Tom Pelliserra reported it. It comes less than three months after John Gruden said the WIDAT would be back. They gave him a $3.6 million bonus for salary cap purposes. And Greg, you were fired up on the Twitter about this one. I was. I did learn after the fact that that bonus was guaranteed as part of his contract.

It was not reported. In fact, it was reported in an opposite fashion at the time last March and in December when this was reported. but people uncovered, that money was guaranteed regardless. So that clarifies it to me. It makes a little more sense why you would cut him now. That said, it doesn't change the fact that it was an awful contract and that Gruden was misguided by saying he's going to be back. Because all the Raiders fans came in my mention.

It's like, well, how did he know he was going to get Antonio Brown? He didn't know this was unforeseen. It's not unforeseen that you wanted to upgrade from Jordy Nelson. You just went into free agency desperate to spend as much money as humanly possible at wide receiver. Antonio Brown, Tyroo Williams, even J.J. Nelson. So it wasn't unforeseen. So you don't tell a guy that he's, say that he's going to be back and talk about how great he looked late in the season if you're going to go cut him. And you don't sign him to that contract to begin with.

We made fun of that contract. It goes back to the same thing I was saying on Wednesday. With these GMs and the coaches and all that, I could deal with the lies of a mission. That's part of the game. But when you say something straight up, in this case, Jordy Nelson will be back. Three months later, you cut him. It's like you're wasting everybody's time.

Just come on. Yeah. Keep it real. I mean, Jordan, it's not a bad deal for Jordy Nelson. He just got this guaranteed money into 2019. He can go double dip, sign another contract. How about with the Packers? I'm not saying Jordan Nelson can play anymore.

He's 34 years old, but Aaron Rogers was annoyed that Jordy left without being consulted. The Packers certainly need to fill out a wide receiver depth chart. I wonder if it's potential. I've got a bunch of young guys that they seem to like. I don't know. For me, it's not Jason Whitten, but it's a little bit too cute to bring Jordy Nelson back to Green Bay. But he's friends with Aaron Rogers, so who knows? John Elway's got things to say.

Can't give John Elway the benefit of the dad anymore. I'm sorry, everybody. Broncos fans, and you get it. You understand because your patience has been tested more than anyone. But he speaks with NFL networks, James Palmer, who. who's a good guy. I like JP. Oh, yeah.

I mean, when you do a power rankings of, if I'm going, like we're going to Phoenix next week. No, it's all right. We're going to Phoenix next week for the owner's meetings. And it's going to be nice.

It's a nice hotel, a very nice hotel. And then there's the hotel lobby and everyone's there. I mean, you could, you can name any NFL network talent just about their belly up at the bar,

talking, eating. JP's high up on my list. If I'm going to bump into somebody at the bar, and have a 10-minute convo, J.P. is up there. Easy. I mean, he could be right. All positive, Wes. I will not say who I don't want to be belly up with. That would be negative. Well, do you have people from our network that would be very low on the list, or you do?

I just didn't want you to release the whole power ranking. Well, no, that's a May episode. Tune in, Ian Rappaport. I think you're going to want to hear this. I'd say like a top three would be fine, but just don't go any deeper than that. I haven't been on the rap sheet, has friends podcast yet. We're supposed to do a home-in-home. I have not been invited yet.

Don't hold your breath. James Palmer is one of those guys. You know, he's based in Denver. So it's a weird thing in this industry, in this building especially. If the Broncos are as relevant as possible, a little more airtime, a little more relevance for James Palmer. So he's in a tough spot here with Elway. He needs some of these L-A signings to work out because these Broncos teams the last couple years. Not on the radio.

In his back pocket, though, he is also largely attached to the Houston, Texas. So you're riding with that, too. Oh, yeah, you do other stuff. But he has been, he's had to spin Trevor Simeon. But then you have to travel more. He's had to spin a lot of nonsense. He's Keenham. I mean, you know, and he's a good dad.

So, you know, if you're, if you're given the Broncos, the coverage, you don't have to leave home. You know, it's just like. And everybody at Denver for the sake of James family. At James Palmer and Twitter, let him know that Dan thinks highly of him personally. It would be fun. All right. Anyway, so this is what happens. Palmer talks to Elway, and Elway tells me, this one's for James, that Joe Flacco is, quote,

just getting into his prime, 34 years old. Now, there's one man in the studio, and it shocked me when this happened when the trade went down. That is the biggest Joe Flacco fan in America right now, and it's Chris Wessling. West, do you believe what the GM is saying about the quarterback? I said something very similar at the time that I fully expect Joe Flacco to have one of the best seasons of his career and to enter a period where the next couple of, years go better than his last few because when I saw him play last year, he was moving and throwing much more smoothly, much more athletically than he did in previous few years. I like the fit. I don't think he was surrounded by great talent in Baltimore the last couple

years on offense. And I know everyone likes to get their snark in just like they did with Adrian Peterson and Amari Cooper and everything else has been decided ahead of time. But yeah, I do believe that Elway is on to something. The one thing about Flacco that I liked watching his introductory approach, press conference with the Broncos was he was very honest and he basically, you know, when he was in that thing with Baltimore, you knew from the summer on that he was going to be pressed by Lamar Jackson if there were issues. He basically acknowledged it was one of the worst years of his entire life.

He didn't want to sit on the bench. It wasn't like he was trying to be, you know, Brett Farr of Aaron Rogers part two, but it was just like he, to me, the change of scenery might really, really be good for it. I hear you, Wes, my thing is just health because he, he played two. So he got a broken rib? Come on. No, I know, but he played two seasons with a really two and a half seasons where he wasn't at its best. Hasn't he played 16 games in almost every season?

Right. And he was so limited. And he talked about it. He's healthier now than he's been. I know, but that's just a thing that you would worry about happens. That's the X factor. And then Aaron Rogers is the other X factor. Skangs could be a genius and could fix this terrible offensive line.

Or, you know, Skangs could, you know, go the way. The last couple of offensive. I mean, Rich Skangarello, they're offensive coordinator. You're on that terms with him? I didn't think that that's the way. I brought it up on this podcast that that was his nickname, according to Elway. I know, but you were just killing people for using Goody at the combine. Now, you're using Skang's.

Well, when you have a nickname as just kind of gross to say as Skangs, I think you just got to say it. It's not a great nickname. You know what would be better? I feel like this, now I'm getting like deja vu. How about skank? is skank I'm going to get this guy turned around I think I threw scangy out there

Scangy's not bad but how about skank? Skank's a little He would appreciate that A little hard edge For a nickname I'm looking at his photo right now I think it matches up

Pretty nice No that's not a put down Seems nice Love James Palmer Moving on KJ Wright And the Seahawks Staying in business together

Rapsheet reports Two years worth up to $15 and a half million dollars Greg Bill. See, you're looking at the photo and you get it. That's Skank right there. Hey, Skank, draw up this game plan. Draw it up in the dirt. Who's the guy shouting in that way inside the Broncos facility, please?

Hey, skank, I want a good game plan around Flacko. Wright has spent his entire eight-year career in Seattle. He missed 11 games due to a knee injury in 2018, but prior to that, he was

a tackling machine. We love tackling machines. Four straight seasons with 100 plus tackles. Wes, good move. I don't think anybody knows because I don't think anybody knows what's going on with his knee. He returned. 29 years old. Returned at the end of last year. I couldn't really get a good gauge on whether he was the same player. And I don't think he was quite as disruptive in those few games that he played at the end of the year. And he didn't get much attention on the free agent wire. Compliments Bobby Wagner well. And I think that's kind of the secret sauce for the

Seahawks. They put pieces together that complement each other. well and know their roles. I think the Seahawks, I see you out there. I know you're quiet and free. They kind of do this quiet thing in free agency, but I don't like what they're doing. You know, they add these offensive line and they bring Fluker back.

You got Ayatari, just taking a shot on him. Michael Kendricks, you know, maybe he'll go to jail, but if not, he's on the field. Their big off season was last year, shedding and adding a bunch of young people. Moving on. Another player not going anywhere. Philip Dorset signs a one-year deal

to remain with the page. Patriots. He had a nice season. He was a part of that offense last year, but apparently not a big market was waiting for him in free agency. So he just sticks around in New England. I don't see any money.

Greg, does this go back to your old? It's a deal that no one's proud of. What's that? I don't know. You said like when you don't see money to mean that no one's proud of the deal, so that's why we're not seeing. I mean, I think it's safe to say

Dorset's not getting paid too much money. And, hey, we're in a world where Devin Funches just got $14 million for one year? I mean, Dorset had like 280 yards, but he will always be the guy who caught, to me, the key touchdown in the AFC championship to lead them to a Super Bowl. It's just, I think Dorset's worth bringing up just because to bring up the Patriots week, which I think Patriots fans are frustrated with. You would think they would be over this by now because this is kind of what the Patriots do. The Patriots did want a slot receiver, though, and I think that ended up being a big whiff in this. free agency period. They really wanted Adam Humphreys, reportedly ended up offering him more money than the Titans got, but it was after he had already agreed with Titans, and they were in on Cole Beasley,

they were lightly in on Golden Tate, didn't get any of them, and they signed, they ended up signing Bruce Ellington. They signed, who's the guy from Washington, Maurice Harris, and they signed a bunch of special team, or Terrence Brooks. They bring back Jason McCordy for a little more money. It's a very kind of low wattage free agency period here for the Patriots, and I think there's going to be some more moves to come and the gronk thing hangs over the franchise that it does I mean I if you're over the wall outside here at NFL media headquarter yeah but if he were

to retire I don't think you need to pull his painting off the same way when you're Antonio Brown or your meltdown it's like they're sending a message but it's the opposite of grandstanding it's like Belichick goes to Barbados make sure people take pictures of him with his wife with his girlfriend

I think it was the UK wasn't it? No it's Caribbean okay yeah like a then they sign a bunch of special teamers while everyone's going crazy with their money. And it's like, oh, hey, we don't need to be active in free agency to dominate this league. I really liked Martellus Bennett sent a tweet out. I recommend everyone check it out. It was kind of a joking letter to Michael Bennett to let him know what the locker room was like.

He gave me more information on the personalities in that locker room in these tweets of what people are really like than some beat reporters had for years. What did you learn? It was good stuff. Just kind of like the different vibes. Like Julian Edelman, you'll probably want to punch him at some point. you know, don't do that. He's kind of only got one speed. You'll vibe with Hightower.

He's kind of the most, like, just like business like your kind of guy. You know, Brady, very down to earth into interior decorating. James Devlin's like a guy like the Bennetts who really self-growth is important to him. You can have some pretty deep conversations. He wants to become a better person. I'm going to check these out. Who's this from? It's from Martellis.

Lincoln Martellis knows that Patriots aren't resigning him now. Steelers have signed Dante Moncrief. They have a hole in their depth chart with Antonio Brown no longer around. That's not to say that Dante Moncrief becomes their number one option. That's Juju Smith-Schuster. But Moncrief, after one year with the Jaguars, didn't do much. He bounces to Pittsburgh. Of course, started his career with the Colts.

Someone asked me yesterday on Twitter, how did I like what the Steelers have done? And it was hard to say that I was taking anything positive away. Dante Moncrief is talented, but he's been a tease. And one of the least efficient wide receivers in the NFL the last couple of years, every offense he goes to is in the bottom of the league and passing offense? They also signed Stephen Nelson gave him a lot of money to be a starting cornerback. After Bradley Robey turned them down. Yeah, this is all kind of like little stuff, and we got some big stuff coming up.

Give us something. Little breaking news. Give it to us. Ryan Tannehill has been traded to the Tennessee Titans. signed to a one-year contract. No other details at this moment. The Titans have a backup, I guess, in Tana Hill. Dolphins decide they turn in the page.

So he's got to redo his contract, that would imagine. Yeah, they did. They said he signed him to a one-year contract. His agent broke the news. So he clearly was willing to just take a backup contract. I would assume I bet it's a nice backups contract. Titans have Blaine Gabbard under contract too. This is great.

Mariotta can never stay healthy. I was going to say, I very rarely have anything positive to say about the Titans, but this is a perfect landing spot. Their quarterback is never healthy. He's always got something going on. And Tannahill is, to me, now one of the best backups in football. I really like the Titans' first week of Free Agency. Me too.

Might be my favorite team here in Free Agency. Humphreys, Saffold. I like Wake. I think there's some sort of under, like there's a market inefficiency in some of these older players that you can just get for a one-year contract. like Wake and Tannehill, I would actually even put it into that. Like, why not get Ryan Tannel for one year? And just same with Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen are talking about.

He's a little bit older, but Marcus Marriott. It's all about the quarterback, though. Is the quarterback going to be able to lift his game and take the franchise to the next level? I haven't seen any evidence other than a nice playoff winning Kansas City with the chief's team that kind of tripped on its own. Moments. Moments here and there. Is he the guy?

Well, now you have another option to the bill. Aren't we, like, massively less excited about Marcus Marriota as a room than we were three years ago? I mean, is that the way you want the trajectory to go as a quarterback? That's not the way you want it to go. Were we going to edit out all our Tanahill takes earlier in the show? I think it's organic. We're in the organic fish tank, and that was organic. Okay.

It happened earlier, nice discussion. People would be like, oh, the show's a little, you know, behind the times. And then bang, you're going to hear this. You're like, whoa, these guys are capturing everything. We're just going to sit here through Sunday night. This pod will be 46 hours. Week 1 starter, Jake Ruddock. Man, the dolphins are going to be bad.

They're going to draft someone. It's going to be a tough year. All right. Sorry, Henry. Not really. And who's the best guys left on the market? That's what's going on in the news. Who's left now?

Justin Houston, I think, is the best. Somebody signed that guy. Indomac and Sue is interesting. This isn't one of... Ronald Darby's out there who's coming off an injury, but was a, you know, a defensive rookie at the year. Fritz out there. RG3.

Not one of the best guys, but I have not heard Randall Cobb's name all week. No. Gino Smith is out there, Greg? Gino. There's some big players out there. All right. Before we get out of here, let's do some over-unders. Let's have some fun, some players that are in new locations.

Joe Flacco, let's start there, Wes. It's going to be a fascinating subplot to watch. How he does in Denver. let's throw some numbers out there you tell me west over under you ready all right touchdowns 25 and a half that is well set I will take the under because I think that it will be Philip Lindsay and who's the other running back there who is a rookie Royce Freeman in the red zone quite a bit 3,900 yards passing

Oh, Mark's shaking his head. I'm taking the under for all Joe Flack. I don't believe he's going to start 16 games. Just because, like, if he misses three games, that alone you win it. And to me, these are so well set, Dan, that if he played 16 games, that, you know, one little minor injury, and you are cleaning up. He's thrown over 25 touchdowns two times in his entire career. I'm waiting for Wes's answer. I'll take the over on 3,900 years.

88 pass already. Over. Okay. So you see a good season, not a great season, but better than a middling season. I see a career resetting season where he's going to be viewed differently. Dawkins got a fourth round pick in this Ryan Tannahill trade, which indicates to me... Ariota. No, not that he's going to be battling to start, but that they're certainly thinking of post-Mariotas in the last year of his contract.

Could Tana Hill just be another option long term? That's not a bad value. All right, we'll stick a quarterback. Greg, Nick Foles. Now the quarterback of the Jaguars. 27 and a half touch season. That's really high, though. That's what the desert people are saying.

Well, not really. That's what I'm saying. It's funny because I consider myself a total Foles' acolyte. And you've got to go over. But I'm going under anyways, because I think that's the smarter. All right, 4,100 yards. He could have a good year and throw for 25. 4,100 yards.

I feel like they're going to want to run the ball a lot. I'm going over that, though. All right, 90 pass rating. I don't believe in pass rating, but I'll go over. It's like enough of pass rating. It's 2019. That's fair to all. Let's grow up a little bit.

I want to see Nick Fulz start 16 games. He's never started more than 11. Yeah, my thing is more. I think it's going to be like a run first off. I don't necessarily. I think he could play well and go under all of those. You know what I mean? It's possible.

All right, Mark. You ready? one for you. Because it's a new day in Cleveland. Don, it's a new day. Odell Beckham Jr. Okay. Is this white snake? Good right. 100 catches.

Under. Close. 1375 yards. Receiving. under way over wow 12 touchdowns 12 and a half touchdowns well that's push you can't have 12 and half touchdowns oh you said 12 um I'll go 13 touchdowns so over he's only done that once but I'd go over big time on the other two I'm so when you thought I said 12 you said push but then when I told you 12 and a half you should have said under but you went to 13 I'm not trying to veer negative So he's going to have a pro bowl season, but maybe not first team all pro?

He's had 100 catches once. I think there's a lot of other malice defeat in that offense. There were years in New York where there weren't as a... It's a good... No one else around them. It's a good thought now, you know, because he might be more of a vertical receiver, a little less of those short... Much more of a vertical...

Right. So that means less receptions, maybe more yards. What would you say his number is West? Receptions, yards, touchdowns. Hit me with it. 100 receptions, 1,750 yards, 17 touchdown. Okay. And I'm being conservative.

Greg, you're freaking me out over here. I think he can set records. All right. So that type of season. Another running back. You ready? Mark, sticking with you. Your boy, Mark with a K.

Mark with a C. Over a thousand? Over. Barely. Wes, your boy, Adrian Peterson. 828 yards Under Didn't like the way he ran

For much of the second half of the season And Darius Geis will be healthy this year Tannahill, by the way, got the exact same contract As Teddy Bridgewater, seven guaranteed 12 with incentives Greg Ryan Tannahill Just got to put that out there Ryan Tannahill

Four and a half starts I'm going over Whoa I think there's a hell injury or performance or both. That's the reason why I was decisive about it was one way or another, I'd take it. I like that move. I think the Titans need options at that position.

I agree. They agree. Wow. Wes. West, John Smokey Brown up there in Western New York with the big armed kid. Yards per reception. 16. Over.

Don't get a lot of YPR. Yeah, I like it. I like it. What did Deshaun Jackson have last year? Yeah, like 18. That's wild. You're taking the over, so you think that's going to work. That's a connection that will work.

Well, you could have four catches and have, you could average that number. 18.9. I mean, that'll lead the league, you know, if you get around 18. Look at what Robert freaking Foster did at the end of last year with Josh Allen. That's undrafted rookie and John Brown's, Smokey's better than Robert Foster. Are we assuming 16 games for all these? By the way, I don't sleep on. No assumptions.

Don't sleep on Rob Foxx. That's your analysis. My analysis, Smokey is way better than Rob Foster. That guy was explosive. I'm saying I kind of like Foster Brown Beasley. I think Foster is not a guy to be trifled with. When you do that as a rookie, I'm going to trifle with him. I want to see what's next.

All right, Greg. My boy, Levyon Bell. 77 receptions, 77 and a half reception. Over. 1,250 yards rushing. It's set well, but I'm, you know I'm bullish on Bell, so I'm going over. So you're looking at it. You're saying he's going to approach 2,000 total yards.

It's a home run signing if he gives you that. Yep. I mean, he's done this. Wes, where do you come down on that? What's the question? 70, what did I say? You know, I would have not. 77, I thought he says?

77 and a half perception. I would say total, I would say yards and scrimmage. I would put more around, you know, 1,800, but yeah. Who? That bell? Yeah, Lev Bell. Let's set. 77.5 receptions.

We'll start there. Under. 1,250 yards rushing. That's a good set. Yeah. I would push that. 17. That would be ridiculous.

That's just ridiculous. He is allowed to push that. He rushes for exactly 12 seconds. That's Mark's bit. It's like he loses a yard on his last thing and ruins your whole thing. Well, his last two active years, he ran for 1268, 12, 91, so 12.50 is right in that world. 1720 total yards, offense.

Under. Okay. Whatever, dude. Joe Flacco sucks. All right, that's good. I don't need. Anybody else want to throw it out there? 99% of the world agrees with you.

I know. We'll see what happens. Anybody else want to throw a name out there? We're going to be hearing about this magical Joe Flackleckles. How about this? Sam Darnold. Dan. Oh, okay.

27 touchdowns. Feeling bullish. bro, but I'm going to tell you nailed it. I think he's going to be between 26 and 30, so I'll take the over. Sam Darnold, 14 interceptions. 14 and a half interceptions. He's going to throw about between 10 and 12, so I'll take the under. New York Giants wins.

What's the number? Four. Give us an over under. Give us a half. Give us a half. I'm going over regardless. Four and a half or three. Four and a half.

I'll take the under. I think they're going to be a mess. Wow. There aren't many teams I wouldn't take the over. I think I'd probably take the over on four and a half for about 30 teams, and the Giants would be one of them. The Eli thing is so sloppy now, even to the next level with Beckham gone. I just think it's just going to be, this is the wrong time because everyone's going to skew hyper-negative

and they've earned it the Giants, but I still think that's not a good team. They're a bad team last year, and they got worse. If they go 4-11 and 1, is that 4-11? and a half wins? No. We've had this conversation as well. I'll give it to you. You would?

Yeah. Then I'm going to push. Well, the desert people don't, but West does. In this world, I'm going push. Four wins and a tie. I have more leniency on these things. Speaking of the desert, we've got to get Spicerack back on the show here, who is top. We've got to talk about Jonathan Williams.

Got to. And what happened there, Melvin Gordon, how it feels about him. And who else is in the mix? Spicerak, your desert consigliary, who was invited to, Your wedding, Chris, but you have not received a reply yet. Well, we're going to have to talk about that. It's on me for not getting... My job is to text all these people and tell them I need RSVPs.

Guys are not... I have not done that. Like a single guy is not good at ever at getting the wedding invite. It comes dressed up in a very nice envelope. You put it somewhere, hopefully, but you don't send it back. I would like to see a spice rack in Tybee and just see what's happening there. Speaking of Wes and his wedding, the bachelor party is set. you.

Oh, yeah. Keeping it nice and intimate and we're going down to San Diego. No more details because we, you know, this is going to be an intimate affair, but we have a house. The Reds are in town. I just gave you the date. Don't come up to us. Give us the privacy we deserve in what's going to be an incredible weekend.

It's all very Chris Wesleyan and Lakeisha's upcoming nuptials. Are you excited west? I am. I like that Dan's expecting like a Beatles arrive in New York, uh, fly. of people just like all around where are they do you ever see a hard day's night that's what's gonna happen once we touch down that is an uneven film it's gonna be on it save it for the gonna be an uneven film's podcast uh all right we'll be back all right so this is what's going on again taking the train down the coast it's a possibility but how are we going to get the cornhole boards

down i've crossed my mind that's a good we might have to take a car for that reason we can reach out to the person renting and ask if uh who rent to them if they maybe they have that this is i will say the train is an awesome experience. It is cool. Okay, let's take it off line and figure it. And I wouldn't be fine. I wouldn't care about the cornhole thing. I want a car.

I always want a car. Like, what are we? This is going to go very well. I love trains. I'm just saying, I'll drive. I don't mind. I mean, I'm just saying it's nice to have a car. I'm not convinced Greg's going to be there for the night even.

I think he's going to come for about three, four hours. I'm there. Hey, he'll be in a sob. Who was there in Tybee last year? I'm there, baby. All right. Next week, like we said, we're going to. to Arizona for the owner's meetings.

We're going to talk to a lot of coaches and GMs. We're looking forward to that. So we'll have a show Monday. We'll have a show Wednesday. And then we'll have a Twitter show as well on Wednesday. I know we did a bad job. We never told anybody we changed when the Twitter show was. And people have been confused.

It was Tuesday. Now it's Wednesday at 1.30 Pacific, 430 Eastern, I believe 930 over at London Town. Well, it's no. There's something going on with their daylight savings. Oh, come on. You're close, though. It's close. Come on, guys.

trying to help you out. It's seven hours, I believe, not eight. Or maybe it's nine, not eight. All right, either way. Figure it out, guys. We're out of here. Kent, thanks for all your work this week. Yeah, it's been fun,

and I'll be back with you guys on Monday as well. Unlike Erica, you decided it was important to be here for Free Agency Week in the NFL, and I respect that. Oh, yeah. There's no way you can miss this week. It's free agency frenzy. He can't help it.

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