NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Fantasy Extravaganza: Part I

Episode Date: August 25, 2017

A room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler & Gregg Rosenthal – recap all the latest news from around the NFL including Doug Marrone moving away from Bortles as a starter for the Jaguars, Cam Newton throwing a few passes in a preseason game, and Josh McCown's playing position with the Jets. Brace yourselves: Fantasy Extravaganza is here again! The heroes are joined by some of fantasy's finest, Marcas Grant and Matt Franciscovich for their added insight on overvalued and undervalued players.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I think we struggle to fit in at corporate functions Other times we're simply left off the invite list Right glaring a mission that's you know Obviously we track heavily And there is there is also and we should be fair to ourselves There are other times where Little later into the corporate function You know daddies get a little loose

We actually become a main central driver of the entertainment I don't think you guys struggle at all. Well, I think on that angle, that also, you know, ultimately undoes us as well. And if Wes was here right now and things are going great with Wes who got out of the hospital and things are looking up, so great news with Christopher, if West was here right now, he would say, I don't go to no functions where they asked me to put on a penguin suit. He has never gone to one, so that is correct. And it's always been about, for whatever reason, even though Wes, like all of this, loves an open bar, free food's nice too, but especially in open bar, don't tell them to put on a tie.

Even though nobody has to wear a tie, at some point, Wes said, do not ask me to put on a jacket or a tie to go to a work function, so he's never gone. He went to, I think he went to one Christmas party early where it was a little dressy that he got a little dressed up, and he got spooked. It was a bad experience for Wes. Never been since. Yeah, once it happens once he's out. I want to thank Mark for.

playing hurt right now. He's wearing a really awkward looking what would you call it like a brace type thing on your finger? It's on my left index finger. Well it's a sling according to that not a sling. A splint. A splint. Splint. Thank you, Erica. In fact, the reason he's wearing that splint is directly tied to the throne of slees. And Mark, why don't you explain how you came to have this grisly laceration of your pointer finger?

It is a very deep cut on the inside of my index finger. And it came yesterday during a ridiculous day off right in the middle of the week. And no plan. So I was at home trying to make one of these Tom Brady meals that got shipped to our house. A Tom Brady meal. You were just trying to enjoy your off day. And Tommy Terrific says, hey, take out the sharpest knife in the kitchen to cut up these ridiculous vegetables.

I don't know if that was in the instructions taking out the sharpest knife. No nightshades. I'll take some, you know, blame myself for being a ridiculously bad cook. But it does link back to Tom Brady. and do I hear from the Patriots or from Tom Brady when this went down? Not a word. When you reached out for the request

for the cookbook, $200, did they say, hey, we'll shoot one over your way? No. No, not a high level of cooperation. In fact, that project has essentially been deep six. But just remember, Tom Brady's telling you to take out a sharp knife. He has his people prepare his breakfast and lunches

for the common man, for Mark Sessling. you're taking your life in your own hands. He doesn't put that in the book. I mean, again, I take almost entire full blame for this, but I like where you're going with it. You don't have to say it. Let me do it. Today's show, I'm excited about today's show,

and you know why. You know what it is. It's the fantasy extravaganza. And I already see one of the special guests, Matt, franchises back there. Matt, we just started the show. I know, I just... We should have given you a heads up.

We should have given you a message just now. Sorry about that. Yeah, we got pushed back, not behind the glass, just so you know. But franchise is going to be here. Marcus Grant, two of the stalwarts in fantasy coverage here at NFL Media. Going to join us, and we're going to talk some overvalued and undervalued players. As you should be having your fantasy drafts starting now. By now, I mean, after the week three preseason game, we got into that a little bit.

So hopefully you're waiting that long. holding off common sense is what it's all about uh but uh we'll have you covered this weekend if your draft this week and my draft is on sunday i'm very excited uh and then we'll do another part two and get some other the fantasy guys in here uh next week uh probably next wednesday so two-part show and i know mark you're very excited here it's an episode that couldn't possibly end quickly enough right because think about it i mean whenever we can do a fan fantasy show. It's very exciting because you could get Greg here, Road a World brick by brick. We got these fantasy guys in-house. We lean on them, Wes, unfortunately, not with us,

but also a Rota World alum. I am the host. I keep things moving. And Mark's also here. Yeah, with it, you know, and I would say that my lack of a role is more glaring than ever. So anyway, we're going to do our fantasy extravagance. Fantasy extravagance is part one. in the second half of the show the first half of the show we're going to talk about the two preseason games week three earlier just touch on some things

a couple takeaways from that and also some strange things brewing with the New York Jets what else is new but before we do any of that we will say hello formally to Erica behind the glass I call her LC

because she's a loose cannon what's up Erica is that like offensive or is it a compliment you have I mean take it as you will take it as you will Okay, okay. I think it's good.

We've never really had a loose cannon. I mean, you just called before the show. You called yourself one of the cool kids. So I think loose canon, what you would take that positively. Yeah, I think that's a good thing. Yeah. You want to keep people on edge. Erica is wearing a white t-shirt right now with a pack of cigarettes rolled up in the sleeve.

That's right. Yep, one in the air, too. She's a greaser. Yeah. Let's do some news. At the end of the day, this is a rib-off. All right, here we go. Let's start with the preseason action.

from Thursday night, specifically the Panthers and Jaguars game, which leading into the game, of course, there was intrigue because the decision was made by Doug Rerone to move away from Blake Bortles as the starter, you know, which is a major, major decision organization-wise because of how much was invested in Bortles is the third overall pick a couple years ago, a guy threw 35 touchdowns a couple years ago,

and all of a sudden now Chad Hennie of all people is going to be the guy starting the third game of the preseason. Greg, your thoughts on this game and the performances of the two quarterbacks. I think there was nothing that could have changed from this game. Henny didn't do much. Henny was Chad Henny. You know, they only scored when they had a short field and got some penalties. He did make two nice vertical throws.

One of them was caught. One of them wasn't. But otherwise, he was very uninspiring. The protection was very bad. so you couldn't really blame him totally. Bad running game. That reminded me, hey, the Jaguar's offense has more problems than just Blake Bortos. There's a lot going wrong.

And Blake Bortos comes in in the second half. They keep the starting offensive line in basically the entire game. And he does lead two touchdown drives. But his first drive, he had a fluttering pass that was intercepted. So I don't think you can say Bortles, you know, made some sort of push. They both were just like, eh? So I expect Henney's the guy. This week on CountryCorn.

Club quarterback survivor, Blake, or chat? Who's your choice? Everyone wants to be Trevor, but someone's got to be the Paxton. Croquet tournament, great Lord. The Y Coolers. Go for it. CBS Thursdays. That sure came out of nowhere. That's a little surprise for everyone in the studio.

If you found that humorous, awesome. If you didn't like it, that was originally. Lee Colleen's joke that these are country club names. I like that. Blake and Chad. She's right. Okay, go ahead. It's pretty great.

I thought it was okay. Trevor and Paxton really nails it. Yeah, a lot of whites. All right, go ahead. Definitely a lot of whites. I mean, it's funny before the game that NFL media insider Ian Rappaport mentioned that Bortles is a candidate potentially to not even make this team. And you remember a couple weeks back on one of our potential trade scenarios, we had

Colin Kaepernick winding up with the Jaguars and Bordels ending up somewhere else. And after the game, Shad Khan said that he would be absolutely open to the entertaining the idea of adding Kaepernick, although the coaches just are not interested at this point. Are we sure about that? Well, I mean, that's what part of the report was there's no obvious interest from the team, from the football side of the team. But you could see it happen. Let's do it because entering the year like this is depressing.

And Mark Brunel, who was a Jaguars, you know, ex-player was really trying to look for something positive about Bordles to say. And he was saying that he was looking a little more confident, but this is after an early interception. And he basically said after that practice, which we talked about on this podcast, which became a national story where Bortles threw all those interceptions, Brunel, who is always extremely positive about everything,

said Bortles was essentially gun shy and spooked for the rest of camp. Like he was afraid to make throws. And you can't go into a season with a guy like that. It's got to be heading. Like, who's, I don't know, I saw another reporter who's like, some scout was like, it's all about the six inches between the ears now with that guy. It's not about mechanics, you know, physical, it's mental too. So when you start getting into this realm, it's almost like the Rick Ankeel situation

in baseball in the 90s, like, is it a situation where he needs, it's beyond just like, oh, we've got to fix his mechanics, he might be broken as a quarterback right now. Also, a lot of, I mean, a lot of people's skulls are wider than six inches. I don't, I think especially if you're a giant person like Blake Bordels, is that how wide his head is? I mean, Phil Sims had a good quote that he could be a brain shot. His biggest problem is he's afraid because he doesn't know where the ball's going to go when he throws it, which is problematic. Another significant issue for an NFL.

By the way, you know, Cam Robinson, their top draft pick, or their second round draft pick, rather, got, you know, a struggle that left tackle. Leonard Fournette, their tough draft back hasn't played in two weeks. That seems problematic. So there's other things going on, too, with that. Does it feel like, and I am not going to make judgment based off three preseason games, but does it feel like the Jaguars are hurtling towards disaster once again in 2017? And I'm talking Jaguars Disaster 3 and 13 type situation. That's Jaguar's status quo.

Right. There was a lot of hope two months ago. No, no, I know. There wasn't more than five. They haven't won more than five games since 2011, I believe, which is insane. No, I still have hope for them that maybe the defense can carry them, and Henny, I guess it would be Henny, wouldn't be so bad. I'm hopeful that they are the team to me that can still make a move,

whether it's Kaepernick or a trade that we don't see coming. What about if Fournett is healthy? You give them the ball 750 times. Sounds good to me. Yeah, but more bad news, guys, because Jonathan Grimes, one-yard touchdown run with 523 to play. Pull Jacksonville within a point of the Panthers, but the two-point pass conversion failed.

No. The result, a 24-23 win for the Panthers who moved to 2-1, Jacksonville 1-2, and Jacksonville winless in their own building. You got to establish home field advantage. That's so jazz. Although it was good for Moron to go for two because it was pouring there for most of the night and that any fan that was sticking around to the end of that, you know.

Any coach that takes a preseason game in overtime needs to be relieved of their duties immediately. Anything from the panther side? Cam Newton got some action. And Mark, what were your thoughts about the way he looked? Out there for one scoring drive? I thought he looked fine. Calvin Benjamin, I think, continues to be the story for that team. I mean, players and coaches come out saying he has been sensational.

I'm adding him to our draft fantasy conversation. So sit on that for a second. It's a huge moment to get Cam Newton on the field in a game before the regular season. Now you've got to feel that, okay, he's on his path. Now, he only threw two passes. So it was a dream Ron Rivera drive. Eight runs, two passes, and you kind of saw what you would want to see from the Panthers' offense. You know, Jonathan Stewart started and looked really good.

Look, Jonathan Stewart, with a little less work, might be even better. McCaffrey, of course, looked great again. To me, he's the favorite to win offensive rookie of the year. So the two of them, like, that's the offense they want to run, just running all day. And real quick, the eagles and dolphins, I guess people like the way Jay Cutler looked. He was looking like Jay Cutler, slinging the ball. Ronald Darby on Philly was getting beat up by Jay Cutler. So at the very least, I guess my takeaway is people forget because so many things happened in between.

Jay Cutler is coming off shoulder surgery and he looks like Jay Cutler. For better or worse. I think it's he found three or four bombs. Two of them were big plays. Had a fumble. I mean, there's going to be these Jay Cuthler. Cutler-ish type things that happen. But really, of all the landing spots, this is a good one for Jay Cutler because he's

already meshing with Devante Parker well and stills. And they've, Jay Jai, looked good. They've got a good, their running game is balanced. They've got a balanced attack. Jay Jaya is going to run for like 13. It looked fantastic. I'm not, yeah, I'm not waiting for the fantasy spectacular to start. I'm going to go ahead and say it.

Jay Jajie getting taken out of the first round. Forget that. To me, he's the top five or six. Oh. He's a safer running back just. about as there is in my mind. I know there's injury questions with just about anyone, but Ajai, I would love

me some J. Well, when you get down to picking defenses, I would... Franchise has given me the thumbs up. He likes it. I would... That eagle's defense is going to create turnovers and sacks and cause massive disruption. All right. And moving on to a team that doesn't have a lot of fantasy impact. Yes, let's talk about my Jets really quickly.

And we're not going to talk about the Jets. We're going to try not to talk about the Jets a lot, or I'll try not to this season. especially as other relevant teams coming to play, but we decided we should today just because there's something very weird going on in Jets camp right now. As you know, Josh McCown,

Christian Hakenberg and Bryce Petty are the poo-poo platter in Flore and Park. Hakenberg's 0-for-13 on possessions in the preseason in terms of leading his team to points. I played very poorly against the Lions last week in what was a surprise start, audition. So you'd think that now you would lead it, hey, Josh McCown, we get it. You're 54 years old. You're 1 in 37 in your last three seasons.

But you're the best chance for Todd Bowles to save a little bit of face the season. You'll be the starter. This week, Josh McCown's not even practicing. He's getting next to no reps all throughout the week, leading into the customary third game where you get your starter on the field for half and you get things in order and it's Hackenberg and petty splitting the reps and it's created Greg a situation where uh in terms of intrigue i guess it's limited because ultimately this is a also-ran team at the uh and that's being kindly in describing them but what is going

on there's a thought process in the medal i have a theory but i'd like to hear yours i've never heard of a team not allowing their starting quarterback to practice the week leading into the third season game or play in the second preseason game. So instead of believing the Jets are doing something that no other team has ever done, I'm starting to believe Josh McCown is not going to be their week one starter. That is my own take. I don't get it because the one drive you came in, week one, blazing pass downfield, quick touchdown by the Jets.

They looked competent. It was an awesome drive. It was. I mean, it was a quick, you know, no prisoners type march and they score. and then you don't see them again. I get the Jets fans that want to be patient and understand that this could be leading to, A, getting the next version of Peyton Manning

or something in the draft, but this angers me because if you don't put McCown out their week one, it's simply saying we are not on any level trying to compete. Well, you wonder if, yeah, the scam for Sam is so transparent at this point that the Jets could get themselves in trouble potentially. But I think with, I think what I, it sounds like to me, and this has been a problem for the Jets for, you know, multiple years now, especially since Tannenbaum and Rex were broken up.

It doesn't appear that ownership and the coaching staff or the front office and the coaching staff are always on the same page. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing, and it leads to decisions that make you wonder what's going on in terms of cohesiveness. And to me, I feel like I know enough of Todd Bowles who he is now entering his third year with the Jets that Todd Bulls probably wants the old guy out there. He wants McCown out there.

It's at least a steadying presence that gives him a chance to win some games and hope his defense, specifically the defensive line makes plays. But ownership or the front office, and I don't even know who's running the ship as the owner right now because that guy's about to go to England for three years. Woody's brother. So maybe they want the kid in no matter what,

and that will either let's get some return on this investment, the second round pick and see what we got. no matter what the fallout is, and the coach is helpless. I kind of think that there's something going on behind the scenes. Yeah, and if you want to look back and say, wait, why did you, we get why you let some of these veterans go, but when you purge the roster entirely of leadership, and other than Matt Forte, I don't even know what he's still doing there,

when you do this, you're telling your team, basically, if you go with Hackenburg out of the gate, we aren't trying to win games this season. And that's a tough thing to tell your team, to have to coach, have to give to the roster. So you've removed all the mouthy players that would have put up a stink. You're basically just saying... Well, you removed the guys that wouldn't have either.

Eric Decker and David Harris were just good loyal soldiers that got sent packing as well. All I'd say is, I mean, if you're Josh McCown, you were with the 2014 bucks that netted a first round for top overall pick. You played with the 15 and 16 Browns, another team that got the number one overall pick. And you're going to do it again. How many quarterbacks have quarterbacked in four seasons, three number one picking teams in the draft? I mean, that is absurd. I can't think of another. And finally, so I'm really excited about the upcoming jet season.

And finally, Greg wrote a banger. Greg is extremely fond. We all are, but Greg is as well. Wade Phillips, not only is he a defensive mastermind as a schemer, but he's adorable. Let's face it. Yes. It's not a bum. And Greg wrote a piece on NFL.com headline, Wade Phillips brings quick fix wizardry

to Los Angeles Rams D. Greg, did you write the headline for a small? No, I think it's a little different when it's shown on the page. My guess is, you know, they're trying to do things. They're trying to get the full names in for SEO. Oh, there's a lot of SEO going on here. And then wizardrys in the middle. It's pretty magical.

On the site it says the defense whisper, son of bum's secret sauce. I like that. I like that. Because he is, he is the quick fix, dominant. coordinator of the last 25 years. He is the guy. Wait, it's the defense whisperer colon, son of bum, secret sauce. What is this about?

Tell us about this column, Greg. Look, I don't write the headlines. He's the fixer. When he comes in to a team, he fixes you. And it's insane. In a league where there's so much unpredictability, he is 100% predictable. The last nine times he's taken over as a coordinator or head coach, he has improved their defense points and yards.

And it's usually very dramatic. The last nine times he's taken over, their team had not made the playoffs the previous year, and he brought them to the playoffs that year. That is an insane track record. And so it's a little bit about, like, why is he so good at doing this? And part of it is just, I think, his teaching methods, and that's what I drill down with him into.

He tends to keep it very simple. He has, like, his method. he doesn't just say, okay, we're going to install this one day, install it the next. Like, he waits until they understand everything. He does it in a very straightforward way, kind of the way he speaks, and it works. I mean, the guy's the man. If there's a coordinator, Hall of Fame, or you put guys in for being a coordinator, to me, he's in it. 70 years old, about to start his 40th season in the NFL, his 10th team is the Rams.

And his ninth team, the Broncos, I get the feeling. I just have a feeling that they're going to regret making the decision. I understand new coaching came in and the idea you want to it's a defensive coach that took over and all that. But letting Wade Phillips go out the door, I don't know if that was the wise move

and I think they'll live to regret that. Can't find too many father-son coaching combinations like this family. No, I started with an image that Connor Barwin, the Rams linebacker told me how he thought it was one of the coolest things he's ever seen that Bum Phillips and his wife,

Bum Phillips has since passed away, but the legendary coach of those Oilers team, they would go just watched Wade Phillips coach practice. They just go sit in the stands and they love football and they love their son so much. They would just go watch him coach practice. There's very little like it. And one of the things I like with Wade is he's not looking for players.

He says he doesn't want players that follows all his rules because those players, when it comes down to it, you have to make a play sometimes, which is against the grain. And he looks for guys that kind of a, he like changes his mold. It's not about his mold. It's about the players. He doesn't believe, he thinks coaches that say, oh, you know, they made a lot of mistakes after the game. He's like, that's your fault. You should have taught them not to make mistakes. He believes you can be friends with players.

Most coaches don't feel that way, but he goes out to eat with his ex-players all the time that are still in the league. I mean, you talked to him a bunch, too? He uses the secret sauce at the lunch. You talked to him a bunch. I mean, so he comes across in person to you the same way he always has. I mean, just seems like a very likable. Yeah, yeah, very sort of straightforward, good. quick one-liner is like playing sort of like he's right direct to the point we've talked about this

before but one of my favorite parts and super bowl coverage is talking to him right after he won the super ball and he was just kind of like such a happy guy yeah he he's talked about it he said i'm happy like he doesn't believe like he thinks coach he thinks yelling in jet like he says he's never yelled at a player he doesn't really do pre-game speeches like that's it's just not who he is and he's showed you could do it a different type of he's the anti gregg williams yes exactly oh i know how people in this room feel about Greg Williams? Do you have a vanity URL for this? Not for that one, no.

All right. Well, that's a crime. Yeah, slash Rosenthal. But, you know. They're giving vanity URLs to everything. Why would, they could create one in five seconds, by the way. What if they went here with NFL.com's Greg Rosenthal. The Annabelle.com.

The Annabelle.com. The enabelle.com. The NFL. com's Greg Rosenthal. You know, Greg Ward, the new. Polo earlier this week again one of those gentle reminders you're not there yet

that shirt still reminds me that I just reminds me of Microsoft that I wore the shirt no that they didn't give you a vanity or oh I see trust me like when Silver writes something yeah do you think he's getting a vanity everyone in that

Ali group original content group when they write their fancy pieces always I think part of it we need to start fighting on behalf of ourselves to be viewed on that level. What they will love is that they're being called out with no ability to respond on a podcast that people in like Tanzania and England are listening to.

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All right. Now it's time to welcome in. Here they come. Let's bring them in. Hey, guys, wake up. Here we go. Here we go. There he is.

Matt Franchise, Marcus Grant. They're making their way into the studio. Look at that. Marcus tall, dark and handsome. Beautiful. Franchise, the hair. Beautiful beard on franchise. Legendary.

I have something to say about it. Oh, I've imagined. Both these guys are really styling with their facial hair. All right, let's welcome. Yes, here they are. Now they've got their headsets on Franchise and Marcus. What's up, boys? Welcome to the Around the NFL podcast.

Always excited to be here. I'm always excited to get the invite here. I know for Franchise, this is his maiden voyage. Look, I'm very excited to be here. I wasn't sure if I'd be welcome considering the millennial beard talk a couple weeks ago? Slander? Well, hold on, not millennials. Franchise coming in hot.

It was not a take on millennials. I feel like it was pointed directly at me. Well, I... Well, I... You know, not, you know, to give them a little plug here, you know, franchise and our Matt Harmon host their own podcast called the Fantasy Hipsters where they literally promote, I think, beard products. Correct.

So it feels like a direct shot, Mark. I think that there is tremendous respect between franchise and I, and that, so that supersedes. My hot takes on, like, facial hair, grooming. Sure. Okay. But I, but when you make a critique about society, it's some people that you know are going to get snowed under and you have to deal with that. Fair enough. There are going to be some kill shots. Maybe it's part of the process. Not personal towards you. They get a big statement. All right. So, yes, Marcus was on. Actually, I was doing a little research as I'm want to do. You were on the fantasy extravaganza last year. I was. I was. So we're happy to have Marcus back. So boys, what we're going to talk about today? Listen, first of all, are you with us on this, are you with us or against us with the idea of if you're having your fantasy draft before week three of the preseason, you're garbage. I fully agree with that. You know, I know that a lot of people try to have this idea of, well, that's what the pros do, trying to improve.

You don't have to do that. Why are you increasing the level of difficulty? There's an elitist angle to it. There really is. And it doesn't need to be there. I'm always surprised by, you know, some of the people I follow on Twitter and the fantasy community, they're like, finishing my 30th best ball draft today and it's like July and I'm thinking what what's the point of that I never liked that when I was doing fantasy for a living either because I always thought

what's the point of not knowing what the teams are going into the season there's no point to that it doesn't I mean it's analysis that doesn't help anybody because it's going to be drastically different you know seems seems like a disadvantage all right absolutely so we're all on the same page on board with that well this is just getting off to a good start franchise of mark made peace on some level, although it seems to be something hanging in the air there a little bit. I'll see if that presents itself any further in the episode. But let's now officially start the 2017 fantasy extravaganza. All right.

Here we go. Wow. I feel like I made a medieval time or something. Part one. All right. Let's do this. Overvalued and undervalued talents on your fantasy board. Okay.

So we're going to start here. We're going to. end the show with both Marcus and franchise giving their overriding draft day fantasy philosophy, which is more a big picture macro, but let's drill down here. Is Mark Sessler involved in the podcast? Oh, let me, yeah, let me set this up more time. Well, I've said plenty already on this show. I'm going to take my foot off the guess.

The fantasy corner? Yeah, I am joined by an incredible group here of fantasy minds. Greg Rosenthal needs no intro. Do you have any applause, Erica? Greg Rosenthal needs no introduction. He built Roder World, brick by brick, HTML, physically, everything. And he's with us today. Greg Rosenthal.

To my left. Thank you. Matt Franchise. Oh, my goodness. Some call him Francescovich. Some. Some. Maybe one.

Maybe you're the only one. But Matt Franchise has been working for NFL fantasy for how long? This is my fourth season. Four years, four years in the building. He's hardened enough to be cynical about this place. Yes or no? Yes. Okay, good.

That means you're right on track. So four years in the game, also on the fantasy podcast, also the fantasy hipster's podcast. Marcus Grant, an NFL media lifer. 30 years from now, he'll be sitting in that spot. Yes or no? I am the Tim Meadow slash Keenan Thompson of NFL mealyse. I'm going to be here a while. You know what?

And that might be, that might be seeming like you're putting yourself down. But those guys were valuable, valuable. Hey, man, they have good careers, you know. People there always say that Keenan Thompson's like the glue that holds the most valuable guy. Because you said that I'm going to now track very closely who lasts longer, you here or Tom. Anyway, and Mark's here. All right, here we go, overvalued, undervalued, but we will be going to the Fantasy Corner,

the Mark Sessler Fantasy Corner. That was what I was referring. I've got something for you today. Yeah, okay, so, all right, here we go. Overvalued, undervalued. I'll start with a superstar, just for fun, and you guys could throw them out too, but I have a list here. A.J. Green, wide receiver, Cincinnati Bengals, his average draft selection, he's going to

round two, pick 13. So in most leagues, that is, you know, in every league, just about early in the second round, almost the first rounder. Overvalued, undervalue. We'll start with you, Franchise. I think he's valued perfectly right there. I think you can make the argument to take Mike Evans ahead of him maybe in the late first round. I would take Green ahead of Mike Evans. He's one of the elites. I think Mike Evans has some work to do to get there to be considered elite. So you have Green kind of behind. It would be Brown and Julio. Yeah, Green would be my fourth behind AB, OBJ, and Julio. I usually think he's undervalued a little bit. I think he is my fourth wide receiver, but I think he deserves going in the first round. I think after David

Johnson, Levy on Bell, there's a lot of uncertainty at the running back spot. I mean, the changes in Buffalo, I think, have affected Lashon McCoy for me. I know, you know, I know Greg loves J.I. I do too, but I still think there's a place for A.J. Green to come off the board sometime in the late first round. I agree. That would be undervalued. Yeah, I think he's undervalued. Green, Beckham's got the injury.

Green, Evans, Julio Brown. You know, you're not missing with those picks. Like, once you, you're right. Once you get past those first two running backs, I'd rather have any of those receivers really over the next running back. Since you brought it up, I just, I'll throw them out there, O'Dell Beckham Jr. For people they're drafting, let's say you have the fifth pick or the fourth pick and you're locked, that's a perfect spot potentially for Beckham and you have this ankle injury and it's still very hazy what it is. There's reports that he could miss a couple of weeks.

Is that enough for a real draft mind to say, I'm staying away from him, let somebody else take him in the first row? Not for me. I think he stays right in that same spot. If he misses a game, if he misses two games, I think, I mean, remember he missed what, a handoff. handful of games in his rookie year and came on and still was lights out, so I'm not worried about him. Yeah, it got off to a slow start last year, too. People were kind of freaking out by like week four or five, and then still finished as the top five wide out and fantasy. Let's shoot over to the fantasy corner. Mark, your thoughts on Odell Beckham's ankle injury

and how that could affect his draft standing? Not overly concerned. Not doing a draft myself, so it's not something that's depressing on my reality. Wow. Okay, now, moving on. And Mark, you let me know when we want to throw it over to the corner If you have like more of a big It's sort of like a halftime show field It's not really relevant from an information perspective So

Okay, good Intermission if you need to leave the room Yeah, if people need it to pause and go You know, answer the door or something This would be the time of it. Okay, next up I'll throw another one out there How about another wide receiver?

Doug Baldwin of the Seahawks We talked about this the other day I am extremely high on the Seahawks offense. I'm in a two-quarterback league, which means quarterbacks go earlier, and I'm going to be all over Russell Wilson potentially if it presents itself. I think Doug Baldwin is an unheralded guy given his production when his quarterback's healthy, averaging a third round average pick 28th. Marcus, your thoughts on that?

I think that's undervalued as well. And I think he still sort of has that stink on him from a few years ago when everybody, especially publicly kind of degraded the Seahawks wide receivers. They talked bad about Baldwin and Jermaine Cursed. Since then, all Doug Baldwin has done is just put up numbers. And it's an offense that has started to trend a little bit more toward being, I won't say pass heavy, but they're certainly throwing it more than they did during the Beast Mode heydays.

And Doug Baldwin is the undisputed number one target there. So he's a guy coming off the board you said in the third round, I have no problem reaching a round earlier and taking him in the second. Yeah, I'm with you. He's undervalued. Early reach-around reference. He's going behind T.Y. Hilton and Brandon Cooks. That's insane.

Would you rather have Baldwin than those guys. Much rather have Baldwin. He's been a top 10 fantasy receiver the last two seasons. Hilton, that, yeah, Hilton's a little insane because Hilton was insanely underrated last year. Won me, my league, really. And if luck gets back, then he's right back to being a top guy. Big if. That feels like the luck thing.

That's a huge. Cooks is crazy. There isn't overvalued. I'll just throw that out. Go ahead. Why would you be drafting Brandon Cooks like he's some sort of that he's going to be their number one wide receiver? There's a lot of mouse to feed there. He's just one of them.

I don't think his numbers go down a decent amount. I think it's because everybody is thirsty for Tom Brady to have that, you know, that number one locked in target wide receiver. I mean, I don't think he is either. But people saw what he did in New Orleans. They see his potential, especially as a deep threat potentially. And I think we're just all thirsty for that. Where's that element? I would rather have Edelman taking the sixth round.

I would take Edelman. Why is Marshaun Lynch above all these guys? This whole list is crazy. Well, let's stick with the Patriots saying here. So, like, Tom Brady is a great guy to have a quarterback. We don't have to even get into that. Julian Edelman, I think, is the safe guy if you're looking for somebody that's going to get targets. I think he'll always get targets, even if he's not a big play guy.

Cooks, if you remember, even last year, he could disappear in the Saints offense from time to time when there was a lot of weapons. So for anybody that's going to think, oh, now they have a, take the top of a defense option, it's going to be Randy Moss all over again. I think you're in for a surprise. Well, it's not a good one. My fear with Cooks, you mentioned how he disappeared.

Remember last year when he kind of disappeared, he was unhappy about it. He let everybody know about that. That's not going to fly in New England. If he starts to mouth off, then he will be exiled to somewhere else. My one concern about Julian Edelman is that he's been a guy who obviously gets a ton of targets will catch a lot of balls,

but from a yardage and touchdown standpoint, the numbers aren't necessarily great. And now with so many more options there, now you've got Rex Burkhead to get target, you've got Brandon Cooks there. You know, I don't know where we are in the evolution of Malcolm Mitchell, but I just wonder if the same target volume is going to be there for Edelman and how much that would affect it. I don't know.

To me, he's the guy I would trust the most. Edelman. I mean, Gronk, you take as early as he's going because he's gronk. But yeah, I just can't imagine a season where Julian Edelman gets less than 80 catch. I just can't. You know when you want Julian Edel on the road? He's a useful guy to have. He shouldn't be the center.

He's not going to score a million times. But if you're going into Monday night and the Patriots are playing and you're trailing by 11 points, he's that guy. You want Julianette. He's going to give you. His floor is nice.

He might not give you like the explosion, but he's always going to give you something. Fantasy Corner, what you got. Well, I would say if Cook's mouths off, as you point out, people wind up where those two ball boys wound up, which is about 15 feet below the mass turnpike. The deflater? That's right.

Two deflators. Exile from Patriot-A. Greg, do you want to throw something out there? Overvalue. You just mentioned Marshawn Lynch, because that is one name that stands out. Am I crazy? What is he doing there? It seems crazy to me that Marcia Lynch would be getting taken in the top 25 picks.

Yeah, I put him on my list of riskiest picks by round. He's going about in the third round. It's crazy. I think people talk up the Raiders' offensive line being strong, and their offense in general is, you know, kind of high-flying. They think he's going to get all the goal line looks, which, yeah, and so did Latavius Murray last year, but he only had, like, what, 700 rushing yards, something like that? I look at the Raiders offense, and I feel like it's greater than the sum of its parts.

You know, like they do some good, they do a lot of good things offensively. And individually, I like those players as football players. I like Derek Carr. I like Amari Cooper. You know, we all want Marshaun Lynch to come back and be a great story. He comes back, it's town business, and he puts up huge numbers. but I don't think they need that from him. They need him to be that guy who salt away the end of the fourth quarter.

Can you laugh? I mean, I'm just curious if he's going to last all season. Now, I will say I went into this camp very skeptical, and I was kind of looking for those reports that maybe he didn't look great or he's missing practices or whatever. And those reports have not been there. He's reportedly looked good. He played in the preseason.

So he has checked some boxes. But the backups he has are talented. Well, I think that's part of it, too. I mean, they know that there's a short window where they have Marshawn Lynch. And at some point, you do have to figure out what you have with Jalen Richard and DeAndre Washington. I better have Dalvin Cook than Marshawn. Absolutely. Oh, 100%.

There we go. The other thing with Lynch. How about this? A lot of agreement. Dalvin Cook over Marshawn Lynch. Oh, yeah. All day. I think we're all on board with that.

It ain't 2012 anymore. And by the way, for all you people that forgot, Marshaun Lynch wasn't that good two years ago. Now he's going to take a year off and ride his scooter around Oakland and like town business and come back and be amazing? I mean, let's calm down a little bit. If you got fantasy points for entertainment value, like Marshawn Lynch is a first round pick.

If you got points for awkwardly hitting on Johnny Fox, how dare you? He's the first round pick overall. I'm a little concerned about his motivation, too. When he was retired, someone asked him what was the highlight of your career? He said retiring. And then a couple weeks ago, a reporter asked him if he missed football while he was away, and he said no. It's a good point.

You could see him retire in October. Right. If it just isn't for him. If there's a 10% chance he just retires in the middle of the season, which sounds fair. Like, that should knock him down around. Yeah, definitely. This whole thing kind of seems like just the fun little lark that he's on.

And maybe it lasts through January or best case scenario of February. It could last by October. 2010, Brett Farve. That's my projection for him. That's not a good projection at all. I think we're reading the tea leaves here. All right. How about J.J.

He came up earlier as a guy he looked incredible in his final tune-up on Thursday night. Is he? Greg is like banging the table saying he potentially top five guy. Let's put him there. Let's say first round, mid-round, first round pick five to seven, overvalue or undervalue franchise. Five to seven. I have him as my running back three. So behind Lev Bell and David Johnson.

That's basically right there. That's first round. head of LaShawn McCoy, Melvin Gordon, Devante Freeman. Look, he didn't really get going last year until week five when Arian Foster went out, and he still put up crazy number. He got left home in week one. Week one.

He didn't get on the airplane. He starts week one, gets more work in the passing game, gets more carries higher volume this year. He's going to explode. Their line to me was so bad. People were like, well, you only had those three big games. Sometimes he had some of the greatest 65-yard rushing games. And I think over time, like this season, that'll start playing out to better games.

I was going to say, playing devil's advocate, I was going to say he had, I think, two 200-yard games last year. If you take out those games, he had several middling efforts. But he ran well. It was the team, I really believe. Doesn't help your fantasy numbers, though. The team has. But I'm saying over time, if he's that good a player and he looks even better.

It will bear out. The numbers will bear out. Also, he has the benefit of being a workhorse running back with no one really behind him to challenge for carries. And those guys are rare. I love Mel Gordon. and Devante Freeman, but in fantasy, I would much rather have a guy. How about the buzzy first round pick?

If Ajai is the buzzy running back first round pick this year, Lamar Miller, who I was pounded the table about last year, shows you how crazy fantasy is. Nobody's talking about Lamar Miller in 2017. What's his value in drafts this year? I think right now he's what, like a third round guy, I think something like that. Right around there.

I feel like last year was the great disillusionment of Lamar Miller because a lot of us, myself included, kept saying for years, He'll be so much better if the Dolphins give him all the carries we think he deserves. And then last year he gets to Houston and he gets all the carries we think he deserves. And he faded at the end of the year. Then they bring in Dante Foreman. I feel like Foreman could start. He might start.

He's certainly going to be the guy, I think, near the goal line. Not week one, but I think he could interrupt your Lamar Miller scenario. I just, I feel like last year, you know, we had the wool pulled from our eyes and we realized that Lamar Miller maybe isn't the guy we wanted. Lamar Miller to me has always been kind of like a piece of, you know, white toast, you know. Like, it's fine. It'll fill you up. Like, let's not get excited.

There's going to be guys with a lot, you know, higher potential, maybe some rye, you know, maybe some. I like sourdough. Can you get some sourdough toast in there? People sleep on rye a little bit out here in California. And I know, you know, now Marcus is going to get upset because he's in California. But you guys have never appreciated what a good piece of rye bread is, a nice turkey sandwich. Oh, no, I have a good person. Draw me, maybe, on rye.

Rye is not high in my power ranking types of bread. I can go in Rye number one. Really? Sourdough. Oh, sourdough for sure. Sourdough, please. I love Pumpernickel is a sleeper, though. Oh, underrated.

Wow. Wow. This is so. It goes undervalued for Pumpernaker. This is so hot right now. Let's take a breather here. And so far, I think it's been an incredible fantasy extravaganza. And we're just warm up.

But now, let's formally head over to, The fantasy corner. It's a very bad neighborhood. Mark is wearing a Kevlar vest, and he seems to have a finger in a splint. Yeah. A little worse for the wear on the corner. And a little rough.

Mark, let's throw it to you. You have a statement or some type of message you want to get across. Well, I came up with my own new metrics, fantasy metrics scenario this is soft season. Here we go. I want to talk with you today about a collection of guys who belong to my Max Flex Triggers group. What is a Max Flex Trigger?

These are low-price, moderate ceiling players who are primed to come in and possibly make a late-season contribution. I deduce my max-flex triggers list by pouring over 2-300 hours of college film and early pro snaps. It's a claim nobody can really disprove. Wait, Mark, I just found some safe cover for you. Can we get to safety, please? I found an abandoned apartment building.

It's matted vested. Get away from the noise. Did we call him a ride share earlier since? Just get him out of there. That is a mess. Thank you. I appreciate that. It's huddled and dark.

Let's continue from here. Using a self-created and dense scientific method, I then chart out each player's spark score, academic achievements, community involvement, and on-field handiwork to compile my list of max flex triggers. These are players with the mental toughness to be comprehensively ignored by the fantasy community and in many cases their own coaches.

The players with the potential to see late season snaps if literally everything went wrong for their teams between now and then. Without further ado, my 2017 list of max flex triggers, Number one, running back, Jehad Thomas. Number two, wide receiver, C.J. Board. Number three, running back Khalif Phillips. Number four, Russell Hansbro, running back in all formats. Number five, running back Elijah Penny.

Number six, wide receiver, C.J. Board. Already mentioned him. You've got to go after that guy. Number eight, tight end, Bonnie Frills. Number nine, tight end, sharise. It is a woman. Number nine, tight ace, Shiris, Slim, Auto, B. Number 10, pass catching, fullback, George, Saturn, the third.

Number 11, Chief's Office Admin, Iris Jenkels, number 12, Patriots, AV Room Whiz, Ronnie Slim, Weezy. And finally, number 13, free agent ticket sales rep, Rhonda Fontaine, previously of the Green Bay Packers. Currently unemployed, Ms. Fontaine is not a must-have pickup today, but grab her the minute she finds work. Last we heard Ms. Fontaine had gone through an ugly breakup with her on-again, off-again, boyfriend William Franks. Ms. Fontaine, age 37, is hoping to relocate to the Chicago area where she can live with her sister, Patsy Bummels, and possibly pick up work as a ticket sales rep with the Bears. We are monitoring Fontaine's LinkedIn account very closely, and we'll update this space if Rhonda Fontaine strikes a new job with the league. If and when that happens, she moves to the top of my Max Flex triggers list.

Wow. I feel like, you know, now I realize that my fault in doing my player evaluations is that I didn't do as much community involvement. I think it's a big part of it. Yeah. You know. Creates a well-rounded individual. Right.

I left that out. I didn't know. You left out the ticket salespeople. Yeah. You know. Or the real. Which really was an oversight on my part. Or the people that existed.

Bonnie Frills really made me start to cry. Is George Saturn real? George Saturn the third. They're all real. I mean, the entire family line is real. George Saturn in the first, rest of peace. Yeah. Right.

George Saturn in the second. rest in peace as well he's got a chip on his shoulder he's got a lot of loneliness and anger he's dealing with like a Batman like it's very similar to Batman all right uh max max max max what was it max flex triggers max flex triggers yeah max flex triggers moving them all up my dragon is this is this a is a direct challenge to the reception perception I think they're very different the very different scientific processes you're branding this I'm branding it because again I like when I say that I watch all this tape. It cannot be proven that I do or I do not.

All right. Moving off the fantasy corner, Mark, seek shelter. You're in deep trouble. All right, let's throw out, I'm going to throw out a tight end. This one is an interesting one because I think it's people get stumble on this guy every time because you can never really figure out what he's going to do or even if he's going to stay on the field. Marty Bennett went from the Patriots now to the Packers. Talk about going from riches to riches. He's going round 10, average pick 94, which tells you, I think, let me know if I'm wrong, guys, that nobody really knows where to take him. And that's kind of where you nestle on his average pick, where he's probably going earlier

on some boards and later in others. What's Marty? What do you make? Overvalue, undervalue, 10th round pick. I think he's undervalued. I may be irrationally excited about Marty Bennett just because, first off, how often can you leave Tom Brady and not, you know, experience a drop-off in quarterback play? I mean, he somehow did that.

And I just like what the potential of having an athletic pass catching tight-in can mean in that packer offense. I mean, we saw it late in the season with Jerry Cook last year. So I like him. I think I took him in the eighth round in one draft. I like that. I think I may be higher on him than some other people are. I struggle with Jordan Reed going five rounds higher in the fifth just because you cannot count.

You can't count on him. Right. Well, Marty has his issues, too. He seems to miss games and be beat up. It certainly was the case last year, but he was still productive. There is a scenario where Bennett stays on the field and, everything lines up and he has a gronkian type year. I believe he has that type of ability.

And, yeah, the Jared Cook thing, I think that's what would suck me into taking a chance on him in the 7, 8, 9 round, the idea that what Cook was able to do with Rogers, Bennett is a better player. Right. I like waiting at tight end and Hunter Henry going in the 9th or the 10th. That's another guy really like. That's tasty. That's another guy.

You don't worry about the old man stealing end zone goal line targets? And Henry, I think, led the league, led tight ends and touchdowns last year. And Gates was getting plenty then. They have to get Gates that record, though. Right. But he only needs one. I feel like once they get him the record, then they start the back off a little bit. I think Henry won't really reach his ceiling in fantasy until Gates is out of the picture.

Yeah, I could see him getting 900,000 yards. I love me some, Henry. And then Jimmy Graham late fifth, I think Jimmy Graham could have a monster. There's a good buzz about Jimmy. And again, if you are high on the Seahawks offense, not only, is Russell Wilson, have Doug Baldwin. He's got Jimmy Graham now a full, what, year and a half removed from that surgery? What happens if he's Jimmy Graham?

I'm looking at the 220-second pick. I've scanned through everyone. Where the F is Seth DeValve on this list? Underrated. I think there are a lot of deep sleepers that tied in. I think Seth DeValve is one. I think Austin Hooper is one in Atlanta. You're taking DeValve seriously.

I think so. I mean, how dare you? As a fantasy? Versus what other approach? a deep sleeper, though. I mean, because tight end, here's the thing, tight end is sort of a fantasy wasteland in the sense that you've got, you know, Gronk's going to be good, you know Kelsey

is going to be good, Olson, Jimmy Graham are fine. After that, it really is sort of a crapshoot in that position. And if you're not getting one of those top four or five guys, you're probably streaming the position and the valve could have some good weeks in there. And you mentioned Hunter Henry leading tight ends and touchdowns. He actually tied with

Cameron Brate for eight last year. Nobody is talking about Cameron Brate. Everyone thinks O.J. Howard is going to be the guy there. You can get Cameron Brayt for free in a fantasy draft in the last round and have a tight in one. I like also. It doesn't get cheaper than that.

No. I also like Hunter Henry, like Harrison Hansis, a double H. Oh, nice. There you go. A lot of respect. Hey, how about, let's go back to the Packers real quick. A guy I can't figure out. I was doing a little research for my draft a couple days ago, and I had Ty Montgomery on

my stay away from list just because I don't have a great feeling about the whole thing. round seven he's going average pick sixty seven seventh round seems like a overvalue to me where do you guys come down on it uh i think i'll let you handle this i think seven i think a little earlier in the summer he was he was going in a fourth or fifth round so his a dps come down a little bit because he hasn't been on the field he's dealing with some injuries they got jemal williams back there who's had a decent preseason um i just think the concern with montgomery is a sickle cell thing and volume concerns like they want him to be the guy, but I don't think he had more than 10 or 12 carries in a game last year. And there's also question marks for him in pass protection.

At that price, that sounds pretty good. Seventh round, I think, is okay, but it's still a question mark. They have all these other guys back there. Do we have big weeks? Who haven't stepped up, though? The other guys are just... Right. But I'm sort of with Dan and that I just... I don't really know. I don't have any real good feeling on what they're going to do with him one way or another. I think even at his best, he's maybe a guy who gets about 15.

or so touches per game, which, you know, he's not, he's a flex starter at best, I think, for me. What are you guys doing not to jump in here? What are you guys thinking of doing with Zique just as a fantasy? His drive price is a little too aggressive for me. He's going like second round right now. And everybody says it's a, yes, it is right now a six game suspension for Zique. For your purposes in fantasy, it's a seven-week suspension. The Cowboys have a buy in there.

You don't. So best case scenario, you don't have Zique until week eight, which, It's a lot of waiting. It's like two-thirds of your fantasy regular season. You're holding a roster spot, and you're hoping you make the playoffs to stay relevant when he comes back. For some reason, I thought it was four, and it's six. It's six with a buy.

That is a lot. That is beefy. It's half the regular season and fantasy. A second round pick is just too rich for me. It's showing some confidence, though, if you just believe that you're good at drafting and that your teams are always solid. It's like you'll be in the mix.

You draft a little extra. But second is high. I would still rather have some of those receivers that are probably going in the middle of the second round that you get those guys from week one and they're maybe almost as good as Zeke anyway. Then you need everyone in your fantasy team to agree to not pick him because someone's going to grab him.

Somebody's going to take it. I mean, here's the thing. I would rather skip Zeke in the second. I'd rather skip Zeke in the second. Still dangerous. And wait until, like, wait to like the fifth round and get a guy like Doug Martin who is still going to miss some time, but you'll get him back a lot sooner.

and potentially get, you know, a starting running back on your roster. It's the classic, like, bar room talk cliche or when you're just talking to your buddy, he's like, if someone's hurt in this case, the suspension, it's like, hey, man, when Zeeke gets back, it's like a blockbuster trade for your team. You didn't give anything up. Whatever. I mean, you're missing guy half the year. Find something better to talk about in the bar room.

Yeah, second round pick is ridiculous. Hey, let's throw out Andrew Luck. All right. We know the situation here. We know the situation and the fact that we don't know the situation. He's going to the eighth round, which tells. tells you a lot. Andrew Luck is a generational talent at quarterback. So everyone is spooked by the shoulder as they should be. Is that proper value for a quarterback of his ilk facing an uncertain

health situation? I still think it's a touch early, but it's coming down. I mean, if we had been talking to you a couple of weeks ago, I think he was still hanging around like the fifth round or something like that. Really? Wow. So this uncertainty has certainly plummeted his value, but we don't know when he's going to be back on the field. And you're talking about you can wait a round or two later and there are still really quality guys out there like kirk cousins like marius mariotta even james winston's hanging around i'd rather i'd rather take any of those guys and know that they will be there for me in week one you're a fool if you're taking andrew luck almost at all bro okay fair go on why bother because you know right as a starter please like like dac prescott or

stafford or any ben rathlisberger's going going way after him like going like why would not just take those guys they're just quarterback don't overthink quarter though when he comes back it's like a blockbuster It's not, it's not. I mean, Zach Prescott might be better than him. It's also not, you're not necessarily getting

Andrew Luck from 2014. You're getting like post-social surgery, Andrew Luck on a massive assault thing. Post-social shoulder surgery on a team that had a bad offensive line last year that might be worse this year. You draft Andrew Luck there. Stop playing fantasy.

Oh! All right, quick lightning round. Each of you guys, give me one more overvalue, undervalue, and then we've got to move on to philosophies and get out of here. I think right now overvalued.

Leonard Fornett might start to be overvalued simply because as long as the Jaguar's struggle to figure out their quarterback situation, that's going to hurt Leonard Fornett's potential production. My undervalued guy right now, maybe Devante Parker. With the change at quarterback, I mean, look, it caught my attention when Jay Cutler said Devante Parker is a faster Al-Shon Jeffrey. And I don't know if the rest of the world has clued in just yet, but right now Parker's hanging around, I think, seventh, eighth round. I'm surprised Cutler even knows who's on his team. I'm intrigued. What about you, Franchard? Overvalued, I'm going to go Spencer Ware.

He just doesn't do it for me in the fifth round. You got Kareem Hunt. I love Kareem Hunt. And my undervalued is going to be Kelvin Benjamin because you can get him in like the sixth round as like your flex wide receiver and he's doing nothing but scoring touchdowns in the preseason and everyone still thinks he's fat or something.

If that bods tight right, it seems all right? That's correct. Just come by. That was pretty good. That's correct. I did it. I'm very proud. Okay, here we go.

Greg, did you have anything else, dad? One more? You want to throw one real good? Garrett Blunt is a terrible draft pick that is going. He's going real. I don't care that he didn't look good in the preseason. It seems like he's just going to be a role player in there. Okay.

Mark. I should think someone I like. I don't like the idea of DeMarco Murray as the 12th overall pick, to be honest. That's a little much. People like Derek Henry. Derek Henry the guy's not playing I just don't know I can agree with that

I think I would wait a little long That's all I would be saying Thank you All right finally Okay who wants to go first though I don't care I'll do my draft philosophy Here we go

Let me set this up So now because we have fantasy professionals In our midst You are as well Greg A little outside the game now But that's my prime I still respect your knowledge for sure But these guys are active

active grates in the industry. I want you guys to imagine yourself speaking in front of a class of graduates of Fantasy U and you are the keynote speaker. What do they call it when you get the stupid diploma that you didn't earn? The honorary.

Honorary doctrine? Yeah. Honorary degree, yeah. Yeah, and you're wearing the stupid outfit and the whole thing. And you want to impart some wisdom of fantasy philosophy to all these young kids that are just entering the fantasy realm with so much eyes wide open, so filled. with hope franchise speak to him all right kids listen up don't uh don't buy into the latest draft

trends you know last year was zero wide receiver if you went that route you probably got burned because you were drafting guys like d'andre hopkins and alan robinson in the second round when you could have got to marco murray and lashon mccoy and won your league you got bang don't let position dictate how you're drafting zig when the rest of your league is is zagging and take advantage of, you know, the trends as the draft is happening. Beautiful. Preach. Beautiful.

Marcus? Understand, kids, that when you look at a list and you see average draft positions, those are people trying to make rules for you. You don't have to follow the rules. You can blaze your own path. Think of the ADP as a suggestion. You have a guy that you like, and the rest of the world tells you you have to wait until the fifth round.

Go get you. your guy. Get them. Go. Get your guy. Have the confidence to believe that you are making the right choice and you will be a better fantasy manager for it. Yes. Let's go. Yes. Brick his doors down. Yes. Go to the real world. The world is your oyster kids. Firing. Wow. That's my, that's my Dr. Seuss, the places you will go moment from.

Who knew Marcus was Newt Rockney? I would run through a wall for you, Marcus Grant. Wow. And that franchise. Okay, guys. Thank you very much. So, all right. Tell us a little bit, some plugs before we go.

You guys are both on Twitter, obviously, handles. Yep. At Matt franchise. At Marcus G. That's Marcus with an A. Yeah, make sure you get that right. The Fantasy Live podcast. Twice a week.

Monday, Thursday. Twice a week. They are part of the NFL Media podcast, Umbrella, and they do great work on that. So make sure you check that. And, of course, all their pages at NFL.com. And NFL Fantasy Live, by the way, back on NFL Network September 4th. Labor Day Monday, a three-hour extravaganza.

I'm about that. Well, extravaganza is kind of hard. Oh, sorry. Marathon? Can I say spectacular? Literally anything else. Spectacular, then. That's spectacular.

Okay, cool. Very good. All right. There we go. Thank you very much, boys. Thanks, guys. We'll be back on Monday. So thank you, everybody, for listening.

This is Quiet Storm. Dan Hansen signing off for The Quiet Storm. Marcus Grant, the franchise, the boss, and LC behind the glass. Till Monday. Today's part. Here we go. Should I not cut that off? You want to keep going?

No, that's good. That's all I had. Save that for after the show. Please put that in after. I'm, um, I'm cool. I'm one of the cool kids. Don't you guys. You don't have to worry.

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