NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - First Round NFL Draft Recap of EVERY Pick

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined Patrick Claybon and Steve Wyche to recap the entire first round of the 2025 NFL Draft. The guys start by discussing the Jaguars trading up to get Travis Hunter (01:15), followed by the Giants selecting Abdul Carter and trading up for Jaxson Dart (11:20), Cam Ward being selected first overall by the Titans (20:00), the Patriots selecting Will Campbell (23:47), the Raiders selecting Ashton Jeanty (28:59), the Panthers selecting Tetairoa McMillan (34:20), the Bears selecting Colston Loveland and Colts selecting Tyler Warren (40:24), the Falcons selecting Jalon Walker and trading up for James Pearce Jr. (49:43), the Buccaneers selecting Emeka Egbuka (01:01:55), the Packers selecting Matthew Golden (01:07:40), and look ahead at the best players available heading into the rest of the weekend (01:26:56). Note: time codes approxiamte. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to NFL Daily, where we'd give up everything for Travis Hunter. I am Greg Rosenthal, and I am here upstairs in the NFL. Network Headquarters, where Fantasy Live is usually kicking it, but tonight we are talking NFL draft, and I am with two of the best analysts in the business. My friends, Steve Weiss and Patrick Claibon. We've spent the whole night together. What's going on, guys?

The first round was exciting, right? Without like six or seven quarterbacks in the first 10 to see all of this kind of back and forth. I love this. This is a super fun first round. Like starting off with a trade, essentially, because we all expected to see what happened at one, but then to get the trade that we were excited about the potential of,

and then it actually happens, it was good. I had to just sit here kind of old school-wise and just like watch a draft with my friends here and get to crack wise and we get to do it all again. So if you're watching on YouTube, we love you. If you're listening to us on the podcast, we got you covered. We're going to go through every single pick. But you mentioned the trade right off the top. Let's go to the start of the night.

Cam Ward goes first, of course. but let's talk about what the Jaguars did. They kind of hinted over the last couple of days. And even today, James Gladstone does an interview that said, like, be ready. We're going to send some fireworks. And people were thinking it's going to be Ashton Genty maybe that they try to trade up for. And instead, they do the move that now that it's happened, I can't believe it wasn't talked about more throughout the process, which was a team giving up a boatload to go take a prospect in Travis Hunter.

that is different than any prospect we've literally ever seen. I'm surprised there wasn't more of a bidding war. What did you think, Steve, about the trade-up for Hunter? Well, I love it because, you know, you heard Gladstone and Tony Boselli come out and say, we're going to be aggressive, we're going to do things differently, and they draft the unicorn player in Travis Hunter, right? So is it going to be offense? Seems so, but they need help at one of their corners as well.

But they go out and they get someone who clearly is going to, you know, create a buzz. It's all about Trevor Lawrence. So now they get him the most explosive wide receiver in the draft of Fred Blitnikoff Award winner and Travis Hunter. So the fact that they were this aggressive, and you saw some of the how aggressive they were a little bit in free agency as well.

Look, you got Brian Thomas here, got Travis Hunter there. My guy, Brian Thomas. I mean... It maybe isn't the best wide receiver on the team anymore. It's crazy. But my thing isn't even just a talent. It's the fact that this is a mindset with the Jaguars. Like we could have stated,

to five and take an Ashton Gentie. We're like, you know, we have a pretty good couple running backs back there. Let's go out and get it. And I like the fact, again, they've got an analytics GM down Gladstone, did the math, so this is what it's going to take. And Cleveland was like, gladly. See, I'll stop you there too. I hear you.

And the analytics, all that's great. First of all, you're getting two picks in one with Travis Hunter anyways. But to me, it was just about this kid is so special that whatever we need to give up is probably not going to be too much. And here's the deal again. They give the Browns the number five overall pick. So Cleveland, we'll get to their part of it in a second, decides to move down. They get the number 36 overall pick. The Browns do. So they get another high pick in the second round. And they get next year's first. A fourth and a six, they're also sent back like two-fourths word. But basically, they move back three, and for that, they get next year's Jaguars first

and 36 overall. Like, the trade chart probably says it's fair, Patrick, but I don't, I don't want to be in a world where I had the chance to draft Travis Hunter, and I didn't take it. Because I think the analytics move says, like, well, you don't really know if he's going to be that special. In the end, play the odds, get the extra players. But in this case, like, I don't like this. Yeah, from the Brown's point of view, because it's never happened before, like this. is literally a player in a situation that is never, we've never seen this. So I could see from the analytics standpoint, it's, oh, well, statistically, what are the odds of Travis Hunter coming in and playing multiple positions? But from the Jags point, if you see and you know that, well,

we want to use Travis Hunter in all these different ways, then, then yeah, like the values to me add out because it depends on how you see that future pick. And I would, the way I look at it is the the round value goes down because this is a draft that doesn't exist yet. So these are hypothetical players, but Travis Hunter is here now. And Travis Hunter can help your offense and your defense. Yeah, like coming into the draft, we knew the idea was the Jaggs were going to make a splash. And my feeling is they were going to move up for somebody. And when they realized the competition to go up there for Travis Hunter might not have really been that much.

Okay. they make the deal because like I don't need I can't do 2026 right now right but see and I hear that too like I I don't mind picking up next year's first we'll get to the Rams later like I think it's smart to wait till next year to get like those picks have a lot of value now the Jaguars are saying we're probably going to be in the middle of the draft next year that's at least what they're betting on that they'll be like a playoff team or at least close and Cleveland saying guess what we've got two first round draft picks so we can use that as capital to go get our quarterback for the long term next year

because they don't have that guy on their roster right now. Right, but will Andrew Barry and Kevin Stefansky be there next year? It seems like there had to be some type of assurances in some way, shape, or form. Because one thing about Jimmy Haslam. They've acted like they got all the job security in the world.

Because Jimmy Haslam, and you heard it at the owners meetings, came out and said, we took a swing and we missed. We did the Deshawn Watson deal. So that's my mea culpable because I was kind of in on it. I think Kevin and Andrew Barry did this move knowing that unless things go completely in the toilet, they'll be back.

I feel like Haslam took we out of that. And he said that this is my decision. And then the first time that we see the Browns, like we see the Browns draft room, you see Stephansky and Barry, but then ominously, immediately behind them, not like in a seat in the center of the shot is Haslam. Literally over their shoulder. Lurking actually over their shoulder, which makes me wonder like, what decision-making actually goes on. Okay, I hear all that. They went three and 14 last year. If they go three and

14 again this year, the coach and the GM are going to be there. No one, no one's that patient. Well, then the next folks have the ammo to get the quarterback. I would argue he's that patient. Man. Like what result, what other result than that is the one that we're expecting? Well, we'll see who they end up with at quarterback. People think it's going to be Joe Flacco. They have the second pick in the second round. They could wind up taking Shadur Sanders. They could wind up taking Tyler Shuck eventually. They could, who knows who they'll take. They've got two picks in the top five

in the second round of a trade. They could wind up still trading for Kirk Cousins. I'm not throwing that out of there. People saying there couldn't be cousins in Flaggagos. Who knows? But with Hunter, I think there was at least some teams out there. And I think the Patriots were reported to have inquired about possibly trading up.

But I think there were some teams, and I think the Jaguars are one of them, that viewed him as not just the best cornerback in this class, but the best cornerback in the last handful of classes, the last 10 years of classes. And then there were some teams, and I believe the Brown's based, I mean, I believe the Jaggers based on what they did here are that team, because it sounds like they want to play him at wide receiver. Viewed him as a wide receiver prospect on the level of Jamar Chase, on the level of like what Justin Jefferson ended up being. And if you're

thinking, okay, we're going to start there. We'll see if the both ways thing can work, but we're going to start there and we need to get this guy in the building. You talked about how Twitchy was when we were just talking to me you can just see it he moves different and you saw how he bounded up on the stage like he's everything you would want in a first pick of a new regime he's real happy to be going to jacksonville didn't he and here's here's something else to think about who's a team they've got to get past Houston who stacked up in the secondary right now they got the two young corners they got a safety they went on got cj gardner johnson we can't call him cj what do we have to call him c j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j

CJ, DJ, my bad. So that's the secondary. So now you got a guy. You got a one and a one. So you got some things to open up and things for your offense so you can possibly threaten that secondary. It's incredible.

It's just a shot of adrenaline for a franchise that I think could absolutely use it. Yes. That's going to be playing in a stadium that's not their own stadium in a couple years. That's playing these games in London.

You know what I mean? Like they could use someone and when I saw him bounding up on stage and we'll talk about like his performance just as a human a little later too but when i saw him bounding up on stage i'm like this could be the rare person and you know joe clatt on the nville network broadcast compared him to show a otani which makes a lot of sense to me he'd be the rare person that's not a quarterback and could be the face of the nfl yes and to have that be a jacksonville jaguar like i don't know you just can't pay for that and i think this one

is it could haunt the brown yeah he checks literally every box is the heisman trophy winner he's He's arguably the best wide receiver in the draft. His best play last year was a game-winning forced fumble on the goal line, like coming up and filling a hole like a linebacker. It makes sense. I understand if you're talking about hypothetical football in the Cleveland Browns, and it's like, oh, this quarterback who shall not be named, who may be there in 20-sweet.

I don't know. But Travis Hunter is there tonight. Now, to be fair, they're adding a real player in Mason Graham at number five overall. And before we get to the Giants, because they're the other big team tonight, want to talk about. Let's just finish with Cleveland, which, you know, they do get the second round pick that they have at the top of on Friday night's draft, which is, that's a great pick. And then they do have the 36 overall. And this is a great draft to have those sort of

picks. So you get the idea. And they do get Mason Graham, who I was not that high on in the process. Patrick, I think you disagreed with me. He just seemed like a player that was like Will Campbell who will get to who I think in another class might have been drafted like around pick 20 but in this weird class someone had to go four someone had to go five I thought Mason Graham might slip so did Daniel Jeremiah but he ended up going number five overall like a pass rusher that you put next to Miles Garrett which is a good situation for for Graham and that's all it takes it takes one team to like you the Browns like Mason Graham at five and so we'll never really know what the rest of the board looked like for the rest of the league regarding

Mason Graham, like I'm thinking on down, like Walter Nolan goes off a significant way. Like I would have had a couple of guys on the interior defensive line ahead of Mason Graham. But if that's the fit and the way the Browns want to operate this, I'm skeptical of the operation. I mean, I'm skeptical of anything that ever happens with the Browns. But the same could be said, you know, about the Jaguars lately. And it ended up working well. Let's talk, let's talk Giants because I think Giants fans are feeling good after what happened on Thursday night. They get their guy, Abdul Carter.

Yes. Great fit, by the way. You know, the pass rusher, clearly one of the top, I would say, three or four talents in this draft. To me, in terms of just pure talent, it was maybe a three-player draft in terms of Hunter, Carter, and Gentie. And I would throw Cam Ward in there. I would do. Because I really like Cam Ward that much. But, and we'll get to Cam Ward, Titans fans. I know they're probably feeling a little slighted. But like the Giants, So they get their guy in Abdul Carter, but then they also trade back into the first round

to make the move that, frankly, was, you know, telegraphed by a lot of the media throughout the day. Jackson Dart ends up going 25th overall. So the Giants get their guy in Carter and they get their quarterback of the future and present. Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I mean, look, let's start with Abdul Carter. Because, again, you talk about a great fit.

You can't have enough. Pass rushers, right? They got Kvon-Tibato, they got Burns. By the way, they picked up Kavon-Tibato's fifth-year option, right? That was surprising that. That comes out in the middle of the draft. Yeah. Can they still trade them on Friday? Is that allowed? Yeah, I mean, they could, but I don't seem to get traded. So they've got those three pass rushers. It brings you back to, you know, Stray Handtuck and Osi and Kianuka and JPP, having all these guys. But defensively, you're surrounded it. So now they're deciding, okay, we're going to play a certain type of football. We're going to slow guys down. It's going to be ugly, but this is what

we have to do. Then they go back and get Jackson Dart. And this is something, you know, when I thought about them drafting a younger quarterback, maybe he's a developmental guy. He's an RPO guy, right? We see Brian Dayball when he was in Buffalo. He did great things with Josh Allen with that. The one year Daniel Jones held on to the football. He was able to get Daniel Jones. How many years was he there? It was like six years. It was just the one year that he held on to. The one year. That was the one year where he got paid. They picked him his contract. And so, you know, I think that's what they're trying to do to groom him. You've got Russ there.

Plus, and, you know, we talked about it during the draft. This gives them the option if they want to. If New Orleans does not settle their quarterback situation, maybe they offer up James Winston for a seventh round pick. Maybe they can get some capital a little bit later, so James could go down to New Orleans where he'd be welcome. Wouldn't cost the Saints that much. They've got to have a starting quarterback.

So they've got some flexibility now in that quarterback run. Well, they said Russell Wilson was going to be the starter. Yeah, after the trade in the, Brian Daibald talking to reporters, he said, Russ is our starter. April 24th. Was there a for now attached? Just, he's our starter. Don't you think like Kavon Tibado's fifth round option being picked up during the draft,

that was just like a bit of ego massage? Like, hey, Kavon, like we just drafted another edge rusher, kind of your replacement, but you're part of our team. Hey, Russ, hey, we just drafted your replacement before you ever took a snap for us. but you're our guy. I don't understand what it does. Yeah, why bother? Does Russ need that particular massage?

Yeah, for us doesn't think he can beat him out, then. Or they're just... I mean, Russ is a guy that, that, I don't know, like he talked about himself, he carries himself like a starter. He's not getting paid like a star, he's making $10 million. But when I look at Jackson Dart, he does seem like, of all these guys at the top, him in Melro, I could see the vision that some teams would have for both of them in different ways,

but they seem like the two big. projects to be like the ones that would not be ready day one in defense of jackson dart like the the old miss offense can either make you look like yeah well you're you're just painting by numbers it can hide like your your overall talent at quarterback macro or it could you know you could be a giant fraud that's that's fooling everybody like it's mac growl sorry I should have gotten there sorry and you know Matt corrals is doing all right and is not getting burned up right now and hearing his name. But I think that's the thing that it's tough to get people get out of people's heads

is looking at Jackson Dart and saying, is this Matt Corral Plus? I didn't see it with Jackson Dart totally. Just because he's such a projection. When you watch that offense, not only is it not an NFL offense, he's just not doing quarterbacky things. And by that, I mean like manipulating the pocket, going through his reads one to two to three. you saw it when i don't know if you saw that clip of him with john gruden where you know he's talking about not even calling out the plays all he's doing is that's him and his other his other play call

those are the two play calls for jackson darts that's his can there's a long way to go that combined with the fact to me that he panicked under pressure a little bit now he also like made a lot of throws while he got crushed he was certainly not uh afraid or anything but i'm saying in terms of like going through your reeds and like being able to be kind of calm in the pocket. You just, you didn't see that. Now that said, if you were going to pick a guy, a point and shoot guy who could take what Jackson Dart does really well, and he's really talented. Like he is athletic.

He's got a good arm. You see the throws on tape. When you, like, they are there. Brian Dable is a pretty good pick for him. I think if you're Jackson Dart, this was a pretty ideal situation with some weapons around you. I've thought that the giants are a little more ready to go than. other people. I think their offensive line is better than people think. I think Dable is the guy to develop him. The problem is he's got to stick around long enough for it to work. It might

have to be this year. Here's the only real issue I have with this because if they like him, that's fine. But why do they have to trade up to get them? I mean, seriously, look at the teams that picked behind him. The Ravens, they're not taking a quarterback. Detroit's not taking a quarterback. Washington's not taking a quarterback. Buffalo's not taking a quarterback. Philly and Casey aren't taking quarterbacks. Why do they have to trade up to go get it? The the power of hope. You trade up, you get a quarterback. You sit using the principle of he's only the only way for him to be good is to not play the game that we need him to play ultimately. And so he sits for a while and you give yourself a little bit of insurance because, hey, we got Jackson

Dart back there. I know this season's not going too well. But tomorrow. I have your answer. And it's one of the things I love about this whole weird draft process in the industry we're in. this is where all the rap sheet reports and he certainly wasn't the only one throughout the day of like hey the giants are going to do this hey another team might do this to trade up I think have real world impact that the giants feel like if we don't trade up for them maybe the saints will there was a lot of saints jackson dart buzz if we don't trade up for them you know maybe another team maybe the browns take them shows you how much they like them then Right. Because, frankly, I'm kind of like, so what?

So you're reading those other reports out there, and you're feeling like we probably not only need to win eight, nine games this year. We probably have to show that we have some sort of future with a quarterback. That is a very tough needle for these two men, Joe Shane and Brian Dable to thread. Like, they have to do it or else they're going to get fired. So you give up what you need to to get them. And to be fair, they didn't give up a crazy amount. So I didn't go over the trade terms, but they traded their second round pick that's, number 34 overall, and then their third round pick and a third next year.

So essentially, they gave up two third round picks to move up nine spots. That's a lot, but if you're about to get fired and you're betting your future of the franchise for the next, you know, three years, four years. On a guy you say you're not going to start. Yeah, Houston's like, okay, great, thanks. Because we got to add to players. I should mention, yes, Houston was the team that traded down from 25. absolutely crushing my son Walker.

I really shouldn't mention my son too much on this show. But there is no greater pain than a young child who stays up late for the draft. And then they're staying up late. And then their team trades the pick away before you can go to bed. To say Walker, don't worry. All the reporters who cover the team are feeling more pain than you because they've got nothing to write about. That's true.

He says, I'm mad. I'm sad. I hate the Giants. Why do they have to be so mean? Some things I can't even say. Gellum Walker. Anyways, this is all happening. I want to get to four because that's the pick that got you real excited.

Okay, yeah. Let's move on to Will Campbell. Actually, all right. At this point, let's go in order now because those were, to me, the two biggest. I don't want to do the thing that ESPN reportedly did. I wasn't watching the ESPN broadcast. Of course, we were in here. We were watching the best draft broadcasts out there.

This is one time where, I don't feel like I'm a company man. I will say it with my chest. We do the draft better than any other plays. We do the big events. We do the big events better than anybody. And I love watching Daniel Jeremiah up there tonight. He was great.

C.D. Rich and Joe Clat. The whole thing. And we were watching. And apparently on ESPN, like all they did was talk about Shadur Sanders. And the second the Cam Ward pick happened, they complained. They thought Shador should have been the pick. And then they just went on to the Travis Hunter trade.

So let's give Cam Ward a little bit of love. Yeah. the Tennessee Titans. As much as we expected it now, first of all, we didn't know three months ago. And we certainly didn't know like a year ago. And if you think of the journey that Cam Ward was on, he was a like wingtie quarterback in high school

that could not get anyone interested in him. He goes to incarnate Ward, has an insane season at a low level of college football, gets to Washington State finally. And this is after just like, his dad has spoken about this going all over the country just trying to get someone interested in his kid just couldn't make it happen until he went to college and then they did it again at incarnate ward and they made it happen and then here he is I didn't even realize this

I'm surprised this wasn't said more he's literally throwing more touchdown passes than any division one quarterback isn't that crazy it's incredible you would think that would be a bigger deal you think like tie dead versus I'm gonna brigham young would have like that record as much as as they should throw the ball around it shows me I'm not a great uh college guy because I learned that today. So shout out to Cam Ward, and I think the Titans fans should be really excited and happy that they turned down some of the offers to move up.

The reporting was that the Giants really wanted to move up to take him. And it's almost appropriate that some vehicles didn't give Cam Ward the attention he probably deserved as the number one overall pick because it's par for the course that they have to drive around and essentially beg people whose job is allegedly to evaluate talent and a guy who's ultimately going to break an NCAA record and be the number one overall pick, has to do everything to become a part of the recruiting process is really an indictment of them.

But it's testimony. And a little bit of an indictment of Mel Kuiper. I love Mel Kuyper, but just the guy didn't even get taken in the first round. Yeah, I mean, we'll get to that part later. I'm not going to crack on Mel. That's great. I just mean his number one overall player didn't get drafted in the first round. And look, when you watch KM Ward play, I mean, the one thing I love, his competitive, you know, we talk about guys who compete.

It's different with some guys, right? when I used to cover the NBA, like Kevin Garnett competed. Like every second his life depended on the way he played. Some of the guys were just gifted and did things like that. And I'm not saying, Chador or someone fits into that second category. But the way Cam Ward competed at Miami and the way he uplifted everybody, he's going to have to do a whole lot of uplifting at Tennessee because that roster is still very devoid of any type of nucleus.

Like there's really no position group to build around right now. So he's got a long way to go. build some stuff up that includes the skilled positions and things like that that they're going to have to do better they've got to nail this draft all the way through but i think he's a good starting point i don't think it's going to be a jaden daniel's type of resurrection but i think he is a good starting point for them to build around yeah and if you think about they're they're going to have their their pick at the top of the the second round they don't have the first pick because it's the browns have that one but there's just the way the giraffe fell i don't know if there's a receiver

they're gonna love there we'll see that that's a kind of for Friday. Nick Shook is back in the mix and Nick Shook and he'll be with me recapping Friday night. All right, let's get to Will Campbell. So draft day, the great movie I've still never seen. I have to admit. I got to watch it. Great's doing it a big favor. I just know that the phrase is Vante Mac no matter what. And for me as a Patriots fan, who's getting back into the team now after I kind of gave up on them a little bit for a while. But now that Drake May is there. I'm back in. My opinion tonight was anyone but Will Campbell no matter what. I didn't want Will Campbell. And they took Will Campbell fourth overall. And to me, he was an

example like Mason Graham of a class that just didn't have a lot of blue chip talent. And I just don't love that fourth overall, you're taking a guy who immediately are like, well, if he has to play guard or center, like you're already talking about him moving inside that. He's not as physically talented. Who said that, though? So what? So what? You saw that offensive line.

You just said you love Drake, May. You're back on the wagon. Yes. He got his ass kicked last year. Yeah. Guard, center, tackle. You take the best offensive line. You kick him into guard.

I thought it was Armand Memb. So what? Membu looked like everything about Membu screams to me. Oh, yeah. That's what a top 10 pick at tackle looks like. Incredibly athletic. I know Will Kimball's testing score was athletic after he drops 20 pounds and all this, and maybe he'll be good.

I don't know. I guess I was convinced by people that know more than me that the tape really wasn't all that, that he's caving in, and that he did everything possible to have the best college career ever, but is he going to translate at the NFL level, or does he project more like, I don't know, who am I thinking of? Eric Fisher, like, just like an okay guy who's going to maybe be the 12th best tackle in the league. I want something better than that, Steve. The 12th best tackle in the league is somebody you would kill for.

You take that. Not if it takes like four years to get there and that's your ceiling. Oh, this guy watched Joe Thomas out of the gate. I want Mbou. I wanted Mbou or I wanted Genty or 10. I just want, I want a premier talent. I want a guy that has a chance to make a lot of provost. Maybe he will. Maybe he'll be Matt Light, who was another guy who had some weird measurables and like was kind of a tough, try hard guy ended up making a couple of trouble. He's got a little bit of this with the Matt light stuff. What mentality?

The mentality of the character. But also... You were killing me for this opinion. Well, yeah, the physical traits are there. It's not as though if Will Campbell's arms were an inch longer on either side. Yeah. Like, the discussion would have been entirely, entirely different. But I do think, like, it does

play into his particular play style. Not to be that guy, but just like the body, like him versus Membu. Just, I think people usually care about that sort of stuff. Depends, depends on what you're trying to do. Yeah, I just think a player who gets on campus in Baton Rouge and plays all the way to now. I like, he was, he was running to wear the number seven as an offensive tackle, right?

There's, there's nothing wrong. Okay, okay, let's listen to Will Campbell, because I got to say, once he got on the mic with Jamie Erdall, he started to win me over. I've worked my entire life to be up here to be able to get my name called by a franchise like New England, it meets everything to me. We can feel that. We absolutely can feel that. Well, you are brought to New England to protect Drake May. What kind of tone are you going to set on this offensive line?

I'm going to fight and die to protect them with everything I've got. Let's go. There we go. I saw it change in Greg, the moment that happened. happened. That's what I love. Did you remember who say that when you got talked to up on stage? I don't remember. Remember his interview. He was at home anyway. I was like, did I blank out for that? Yeah. I guess this is just a general thought. And I obviously could end up being wrong. Everyone can be wrong about any of these. When the evaluation leads with the intangibles, which I feel like Campbell was like the number one guy of that in this class, that's always a bit of a red flag with me. And the in the Vrable was talking about.

how much he wanted, you know, guys who could carry the weight of the number four overall pick and real Patriots. And this, it all just feels like, you know, a redux from what happened with Belichick. It's like, no, I want just like super talented players, not just nice guys. Because people go with the intangibles all the time. It never means anything. All of his tangibles are actually there. Yeah.

He's an explosive player that started literally every game at left tackle. And you know in a private workout, Rabel is an outside. backer was working his tail off. He put the paws on Mike. Yeah, exactly. Put the hands on him. By the way, shout out to everyone in the chat now. We love you. Someone just said very mackerel behavior by me right now. Yes, it is. Yes, well done. I don't feel like it's happening, though. I feel like Patriots fans are going to be loving this pick because of everything that you just said. And I've been skeptical of the whole Brable era. And yet, I should be on board. You're so spoiled, man. I am spoiled.

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overall pick we're gonna start picking up the pace here but this was the top of the job so that was mason graham and you mentioned the the weird vibes that were in in the brown's room let's go to the raiders I thought it was really interesting that they only took about two minutes before drafting Ash and Gentie. After all the draft, you know, speculation for months, the first guy on 40s and free agents, the podcast I did with Daniel Jeremiah, the first team fit that he just was like, I'm just hearing like Raiders and Genti. I think that's going to happen. That was like eight weeks ago. And it actually happened. And everyone like me who follows this stuff too closely, almost Jedi mind tricked ourselves this week, because they almost were too

out front making it sound like they were going to take Gentie? But they did take Gentie. And I'm glad they did. Gino's got a fun weapon. What a cool offense. Him in Bowers. And it makes me think back to Pete's time in Seattle where it's the Chris Carson's. It's the

ground out running backs. Of course, Marshawn being Marchan and generational, but that was a Bill's draft pick that defines his way to Seattle where I'm looking back and I'm thinking well, maybe the running back drafting situation was more Schneider than Pete

and Pete gets this opportunity with his new team and they get this player who's done things that we have not seen in 20 or 30 years at the running back position and I it makes sense it's the only thing that makes sense. They were the worst Russian team in the NFL last year

they averaged less than 80 yards a game running the football they were terrible now they've got to fix some things on the offensive line but Chip Kelly showed his evolution like he's a guy who came from kind of that wing T-style stuff at the small school up in the Northeast. And he's really evolved. He is very creative in what he can do. So I think Gentie in this offense, because he can catch the ball out of the back field as well. So now you've got a home run hitter. You got a banger.

You got a home run hitter that plays tight end with Brock Bowers. That is a starting point. You got a solid receiver for at least one more year in Jacoby Myers. I'm really curious what they're going to do. I think they're absolutely a sneaky shudder Sanders team at the top I agree. I don't think they would trade up for Shadur, but I think if he is still sitting there, they could take him. It just,

that makes some sense. I agree. But the, the main takeaway is in the last two drafts, the Raiders have gotten two of the best three players in college football. Yes. Yes. Easily.

And Genti shows up there with the diamond encrusted crocks. That was him, right? Yeah, he had the crocs. That was amazing. I love Ashen Genti. If we look at the running backs taken in the top 10 over the last 10 years, it was girly. I would say that was a triple or a home run,

considering what it gave them. Even if it, you know, Zeke, that was a triple or a home run. Four net. I'll give it a single because it gave them a little bit for a minute there when they did make the AFC championship. And then Sequin and Bijan, home run. Home run. And I think it's going to be a home run.

So overall, the hit rate has been high for taking these guys. high. Armand Membu goes to the Jets at number seven. I absolutely love it. I think sign of the times. I think they got the better offensive linemen even though they were... There we go. I'm the Patriots. We'll track this. Well, he's a right tackle, right? So they're going to do a bunch of RPO stuff now that Justin Fields is a quarterback.

You know, the offensive coordinator comes over from Aaron Glenn comes over from Detroit. So you get a guy who can match, right? They built the offensive line. They got some players along that offensive front. So, Brees Hall, you saw Brees Hall with the, you know, fingers crossed type thing. So I really like this pick. It's a physicality statement and to keep on building right there. They are going to build an offense around Justin Fields that I don't know if it's going to work or not. Tanner Engstrom is the cordial from Detroit.

But I think it's going to be around Justin Fields. I think they're going to do everything that they can to be a difficult defense to prepare for that is a run-first team with an offensive line that on paper is sneaky awesome. It looks pretty good. It's like Joe Douglas, the former GM, spent his entire tenure in New York trying to build a good offensive line,

and he didn't really get it done until his last year there, and they were still short or right tackle, and now they had this guy Membu, who I'm really high on, and it's like, they could be fun. I think, I said it coming into the draft, but the Jets over under five and a half

was like the worst line out there. I'm killing that over. Not that we're allowed to. Yeah, you make one significant change and all of a sudden things start to look a whole lot better. You can start making your actual picks and go through free agency

with your actual acquisitions where it kind of shows you how dysfunctional things can be and how quickly they can turn around when you have a cohesive plan that makes sense to everybody. And by the way, if you end up going back and watching this on YouTube

or you're with us life, I'm not being rude, like, texting while my friend Patrick is talking, but I'm just trying to send, send the tweet out. It's just, I looked up and I'm like, I look like a jackass here texting. No, it's all good, man. Let's go to number eight, Carolina Panthers. Surprise. You're not happy with them taking T-Mac, Ted McMillan. One of the first real surprises of the night. It's funny because everyone was like, chaos, we're going to have chaos. And the Jaguars gave us a little spice. But to be honest, it wasn't that chaotic tonight. It was relatively predictable. in terms of teams and fits and roughly where players would went.

But Ted McMillan to the Panthers was surprising to just about everyone, except for our buddy Josh Norris, who we had on earlier this week, who was digging the connections here. Well, I mean, I like some of that. I mean, look, he's someone who should be able to come in and help. They need receiver help. They need to help out Bryce. But this defense was historically terrible.

Historically terrible. They had nothing on the edge. and you see the first of the first 28 picks 10 of them were defensive linemen so you know Eviro Edgero one of the better defensive coordinators

whose career is going down the toilet now because he's got no players on that side of the ball they wouldn't let him leave though they yeah but they've got I mean they have better really commit to that side of the ball the rest of the draft I mean I get in

Ted McMillan he's a talented player you got to help the offense but this defense is it was hit historically garbage with someone who's considered one of the best tacticians and schemers in the NFL. But don't you got to just take what the board tells you there? It's interesting that no defensive players went other than Carter in the top 11. Okay, so they take TET, right?

Then four picks later, Michael Williams goes to San Francisco, and then Kenneth Grant comes off the board. Jalen Walker to the Falcons, Shemar Stewart. like if the value wasn't lining up for how they saw the defensive prospects there were plenty of teams shortly thereafter that saw the value for those defensive prospects. I would push back on that because to me

now Tet T-Mack he was a risky prospect. There was talk about him that he was kind of I thought of mixed reviews. Casual. Casual was the word that you used and DJ even hinted at it throughout the draft process that like

if he was not the primary guy he was not running those routes out too hard. He was not blocking. He maybe didn't play as hard this year as he did his year previous when he had a better coaching staff and maybe didn't think he already had kind of locked in the topic.

That said he was as productive as any wide receiver in the league and you just look at him and I would argue to finally get to my point that if the Jags had taken him at five they were reportedly thinking about him if they didn't end up moving up for a hundred. Like that would have made sense to me.

He's a guy that I think fits what I expect out of a top 10 to 12 pick and maybe these defensive players at least how they saw it and how maybe I see it too that they were getting pushed up the board a little bit where it was like you could just pick any of them but in most drafts they might have been fallen a little further at least in terms of ceiling

I mean that dude looks like a number one receiver technical balance. I just saw the promise right from Koker last year there was there was a solid deal in season he's he's gonna be back Lee Gett's going to get better. I just felt the need, and need is going to put you in a lot of places if you're drafting strictly based on need, but it was so glaring that they needed somebody to make

plays on the defensive side of the ball. I liked it. I think all the amateur psychology is a bit too much sometimes where we've got a bunch of Charles Xavier's evaluating players and it's like looking at when they're trying hard or when they're not. I don't necessarily put a whole lot of faith in that. But the defense, as Steve pointed out, as we said, week after week last year was so bad so bad they just need bodies shout out to tet though team

he wants to be called team mac now teac all right all right team um shout out to him on the stage though uh shouting out his chalinese heritage is he going to be in the polynesian hall of fame don't so last year he was a polynesian football hall of fame that's what i meant college player of the year so yeah so he's got a shot to get you know he's got to beat up panesu for like the next five years to be the pro player of the year but he's based you know based on his potential shout out to the north shore of Hawaii, one of my favorite places on earth where the Polly Hall of Fame is. And then shout out to Josh Norris, just quickly. Yesterday, he tweeted this out to, he sleuthed it.

He pointed out, who was on Jed Fish's staff in Arizona? Brennan Carroll, Pete Carroll's son. Pete Carroll was Dave Canales' mentor in coaching, his North Star in coaching. He was on the staff with Dave Canales in Seattle. Yes, and USC. His brother, his brother, Nathan Carroll, was on Dave Canales' staff in Carolina. So a lot of Carroll-Canales connections, and they had the pipeline and maybe the coaching style to tap into T-Max best and feel like, hey, we have the confidence.

This kid's all right. Like, we know how to coach him up. And it's telling to me that someone that knew him better in terms of inside Intel than anyone in this class ended up drafting him. So I think that's going to be a much better thing. does have the right type of stuff to get it out of it. Right. I think that's going to be a better pick than the Saints who took Kelvin Banks.

I mean, it's hard to just kill picks. We don't know. But like Campbell, you're taking these tackles who the first thing you hear from a lot of people was like, well, yeah, if it doesn't work out, I'll move inside the guard. So that could be the Kelvin. But that's just the thing. That's just the general thing that people say. Okay.

You know, like I don't know if that's his player dependent. And that's also how the great Saints teams were built. You're seeing more and more teams built guard to guard, guard, guard, center guard. Look at the Kansas City Chiefs, guard, guard. But why are they taking them in part? Because they keep messing up these picks. Well, he's helping to replace Trevor Penning, a pick that they traded an extra pick up for a few years ago.

You know, seasonally Louise has been up and down. Injuries. At best, as a first round pick. So it's kind of like Jason Light, the Bucks GM later. We'll talk about him. Like, I just trust him implicitly at this point. The Saints have lost my trust. It was really interesting when the bears came up.

They kind of had their pick of tight ends. And they went with Colston and Loveland not making Patrick happy. Well, it's not just making me happy because going in, right, I was on board as a Harold Fanning guy. And I went back into Tyler Warren. And I just said, I can't picture anybody else being the number one tight end in this class other than Tyler Warren. And I feel like perhaps the bears in their evaluation might have expected Warren to go

before number 10 and so it's like oh well Loveland's going to be there we also like him but then they had the pick of the team you're just saying they didn't do enough homework on him I'm not saying that they didn't do enough homework I think legitimately they believe right they have the opportunity to take both

but they pictured what things are going to look like and I think the perception of Ben Johnson and what things were what this offense was going to look like based on Detroit that would feel like that was a Tyler Warren opportunity. Interesting.

But isn't Loveland more of a Loveland to me, you're hoping he's Sam Laporte a plus. Yeah, I mean, look, he's pretty traditional. But he's got some flex potential too, so he can give you a little bit but Keenan Allen did not give you last year in that offense. I'm thinking the only reason they went this way, again,

I haven't spoken anybody, is because maybe Warren has a little bit of Cole Komet in him, right? And they didn't want necessarily duplicate guys. I don't know. I mean, Warren's beast. But that's the only reason why I can see them well I think

commit's probably not long for this roster like he'll be on the team this year after that it's year to year I think he's at that point in his career and it's just a new staff that's just how things worked and to me Loveland was a guy

who was just more of a natural fit into every system I think if you had Tyler Warren he's not a gadget player necessarily but just such a unique guy you're going to have to have a special vision for him, whereas Loveland is, I think, everything you're looking for in a tight end. It's why we took them, in our mock draft, we took them ahead of Warren, too.

And we were trying to project what would happen, but we had the Jets taking Loveland. We had Warren going to the Bears, ultimately, because we thought they were both, and like, Warren only waited four more picks. Let's just talk our Warren. So that was the top 10 picks. We'll go a little out of order, just because the tight ends to me are an interesting conversation. That Warren did fall that far. Oh, man.

I think it worked out for him. It's perfect. I mean, you could say any pass catcher on the Colts, like, that's dicey because there's not a lot of receptions to go around. But I do think Shane Steichen is the type of guy who can manufacture touches, which is maybe who Tyler Warren is right now. You're going to really have to coach him up in terms of blocking, in terms of route running. He's more of a raw physical talent that you're excited about. And I am too. It wasn't like wishcasting.

This isn't vaporware. Tyler Warren caught 104 passes last year At the tight end position They snapped in the ball directly And were running screens and stuff to him Because he was literally the best player On the football field And I feel like it's not that he is a gadget

That you have to manufacture touches for It was just the best circumstance for Penn State To manufacture touches for Tyler Warren And so I don't want folks to think that Tyler Warren is just like He's not out there beating He's not out there beating coverage and getting open because he had to do everything for the team.

He's got some Brock Bowers in him. He's got some Brock Bowers to his game. He's got that type of speed, catching, and breakaway just to do a lot of creative things like that. You know who I think he's got more of, like Anthony Richardson, which is that, and by that I just mean he's,

first of all, he's not as physically talented. He never tested so we won't really know, but that he's like a really, really unique. I'm just better than you. I'm going to run over your face. Like Jeremy's shocky type of guy. But raw and needs to be molded

and is in a really unique talent. And that's just why I think maybe he only is going to fit some teams. And I think the Colts are one of those teams. Stuyck and be great with that. Look, we did it affiliate with Dallas Goddard, Zach Ertz.

I think he was with Gates for a little bit. Gates didn't need a whole lot of work. That's a good group around Richardson and or Daniel Jones, Jonathan Taylor, Pittman, Josh Downs, who to me is one of the most... That offensive line needs a little work. They took some hits.

I thought they were going to go linemen. They didn't. We'll circle back to the 49ers who picked at 11. Shout out to Pete Trager, who said earlier this week, Mikel Williams is going to go earlier than people think, and Colson Loveland's going to go earlier than people think, and he hit those two. Williams from Georgia was the second defensive player taken in this case.

How about that? But it goes to Robert Sala. With very little production. I didn't see it when I watched them. Obviously, the 49ers can scout defensive linemen a little better than me watching like 90 minutes of Michael Williams or whatever. But a guy without a lot of production but toolsy and they needed an edge.

And yeah, like no one had him as the second defensive player taken until about 24 hours. It's interesting, though, because, you know, Danny GMI, his comp was Rishon Gary. He's a guy who didn't have a ton of productive. coming out of Michigan, and look at how good of a player he has been for the Packers. And in the right spot with maybe the best defensive line coach in the league and fills a huge need. So this is one where I, even though what do I know, I'm just going to be like, okay, I'll trust the 49ers, know what they're doing there. The Cowboys then get on the clock, and we think they're going to go offense there, whether it's running back, whether it's Matthew Golden, and they do go offense, but they go Tyler Booker, guard out of your Alabama,

Crimson Tide. It is yours. No, no, I mean, you're an Alabama kid. Well, yeah, I'm from the state of Alabama. My wife did go to the university and I, and if not for Nick Saban and covering the team, I probably wouldn't be sitting here having this conversation with you guys. Shout out Nick Savon. Yeah, shout out the coach. But Tyler Booker, probably one of the bright spots on the front for the past two years

where there's been a lot of turnover and a lot of problems. There were some injuries as well. And he was the most consistent. player on the team and like like you guys I'm sitting here thinking about the picks I'm thinking about DAC needing another option like tight end makes sense wide receiver makes sense which we were kind in the spot where I was trying to give Matthew golden to everybody but in hindsight now that the dust is settled this pick does make sense it does and it's a larger point that we can mention now the premium to acquire offensive linemen now

in the draft and in free agency would indicate that it's the hardest position other than quarterback to fill, period. Like, yeah. There's not, to me, before you could have made the argument that Edge and

at times, cornerback like what's valued. It's like, no, the NFL is telling us by how much they are pushing up all these guys and they're just so desperate that the only chance you can find good ones is if these guys all go earlier, because if you look at the consensus board, which is like the average of all these big boards, even

Daniel Jeremiah's boards, like these guys are getting pushed up so much higher than expected every draft. You just saw it with Kelvin Banks going ninth. You saw it with Campbell in some way, but you definitely see what Banks and Booker, who we were talking about, maybe the Texans will be choosing between them at 25. Yeah, good luck. They went at 9 and 12. And again, he's a guard. Are we good to talk about guards here? Guards are cool. Okay.

I just, I don't want to hear that he's a tackle and then that might not work. So what? Kick him inside the guard? Because what are defense doing? We're talking about hybrids, right? We're talking about all these defensive players

who can do this and that. The double A gap blitz, all the stuff coming up to the A gap to try to get in the face of these quarterbacks. Guards are people too, Greg. They drafted a Hall of Famer, Zach Martin, who just retired.

They know what they're doing there. They deserve the benefit of the doubt drafting offensive linemen. They hit with Tyler Smith a few years ago who they're going to want to resound. Who folks thought that was a huge reach for Tyler Smith. Right. At the time, people thought that was a big, great point. They took Tyler Booker last year, which is just a TBD. I don't put anything into his rookie year.

He was a developmental guy. They knew he was going to take some time. We'll see if he turns out to be their left tackle in the future. And now they got their third Tyler, Tyler Booker. Kenneth Grant was up next for the Colts, I mean for the Dolphins, rather huge need. One, I think their fan base maybe saw coming that they literally have no defensive tackles on their roster. So it was a little bit of just like they had to take one and they had no run stoppers on the roster. I think they expected to bring back Kaleas Campbell. And even if they

had Kaleas Campbell, they almost had no defensive tackles on the roster then. And then they lost them. And so they take a guy in Kenneth Grant, who I liked a lot when I watched him. I mean, there just aren't many guys that big that can move the way he moves. He's going to be a run stopper who maybe becomes a good, you know, third down guy as well eventually. what's up everybody Daniel Jeremiah here and I'm Bucky Brooks on Move the Sticks

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hybrid, but probably going to be just an edge rusher primarily in Atlanta, and they get a big time pass rusher. And then late in the night, the 26th overall pick, the Falcons trade back into the first round to take James Pierce, a very divisive pass rusher from Tennessee. So they try to address their pass rush problem with two picks in the first round, but it costs a lot to get it. They give up a first round pick in 26 next year to the Rams. The Rams are now rooting for the falcons downfall all year because they got their first round pick. The Rams also get the number 46 overall pick in this class, a deep class. Man, that was a big price to pay to get James Pierce, a guy that most teams, I don't think, loved, but he also was a traitsy, toolsy

guy with some production, so they're betty on a home run. Look, for a team that just avoided edge rushers for the plague, a team I used to cover, right? When they traded for John Abraham or they got him free, I think they traded for the Jets. He's the last true, consistent edge rusher they have had. That's like 20 years. That is a vacuum of not putting pressure on quarterbacks. So now they, they too, scoop it. Like, I don't like them give giving up a 26 first round draft. Did they have to do that? They must have felt that maybe Baltimore

or somebody was going to get or Detroit. He was going to go at some point. He was probably going in the top 35 picks. So they had to move up. Correct. So that's what they probably had to get ahead of Detroit. That's probably where they felt he was going to go. Right. Detroit picked a 27. So they go ahead and did it because to me it's a feeling of

we got to win this year. We got to get to the quarterback this year because I'm going to sacrifice the first round pick because I might not be drafting. Well, that's the thing. Using these picks, if we don't get this right. So to double up, you get two edge rushers on rookie contracts. Rahim Morris, I very much trust him.

Jeff Ulbrick is his new defensive coordinator. Guys, very, very good at what he can do down there, especially with defensive front. They got Cade Nellis, who I continue to say some most underrated defensive player, looking put pressure on a quarterback from the inside spot. They've got some opportunities there, but you better be locker room, player accountability.

strong to ask a lot of two young edge rushers to give you production. Well, it's interesting. DJ made a great point on the telecast of that Jalen Walker can be to their defense, what Michael Pennix is, to their offense. He was, I thought a guy that Patriots might take because I thought he fit that mold of Will Campbell, the intangibles are you hear about right off the bat. And look, his strength, his power, like he's an exciting player. He kind of reminds me a little bit of like a beefed up, Caden Ellis. Like, it's going to be interesting how they... He's got some Jaredverse to his game.

You got some Jared first. A little, you know, Zach Bond, too. Like, he'll be a fascinating guy. Whereas James Pierce was the total opposite. A guy that people were worried. You were talking about the guys who were mentioned about motor. James Pierce is maybe that guy. Or maybe just like a not a natural instincts football player,

but just has a lot of speed, but doesn't really know how to play football that well. It was kind of the knock on him. And so they're an interesting combination. But, man, like, Fontenow's been there since Matt Ryan was there. You can think that this is like early in their rebuild. It's year two of Pennix, year two of Rahim Morris.

But Fontno has been there a while. He needs some results. And to me, he went full Mickey Loomis. He just picked a guy that he wants that has some traits. And he's like, I'm going to get him no matter what it costs. I'm going to just trust my evaluation. And you better be right. Yeah, clearly they were prioritizing Edge.

I did like that they announced Jalen Walker as a defensive end. Oh, that's a good point. I know his hand size for a lineback. Maybe they're projecting his frame is going to get a little bit bigger as things go wrong. And also his role where, and really there's a dichotomy between Pierce and Walker where you have the circumstances of the defense and Georgia having all of this depth and talent. Walker's being asked to do all of these different things. And James Pierce was in a go, go wreak havoc kind of mode. Just go fly off the edge.

where maybe they both kind of meld into a similar circumstance where they're on either edge of the line for years in Atlanta and you know for Terry and the folks who've been waiting for that edge to get to like I that's the vision you never want to go full Loomis though but but here's the last thing were by the way for people who are just joining like I don't know why everyone would know the history font no long time was with the New Orleans Saints that that that was where he was forever. But Rahim Morris has something to do with this as well, because he probably saw what he did with Byron Young. Somebody, a third round draftic,

defensive end out of Tennessee, some is a body type of Walker. Okay. Who's turned into a hell of a player for the Rams. Okay, then they go out and they get a physical guy in Jared Verst last year as a rook who comes in and wreaks havoc as well. Now, they got some studs on the inside. Atlanta's not quite there yet, but

Rahim Morris's ability to create things to get those guys going. We also heard rap sheet start the broadcast by saying, hey, right now, they're just planning on having Kirk Cousins actually that he could really be their backup. He was at work as we'll see where we're at at the end of this process.

Just wanted to throw that out there. I'm not sure if I totally believe that. I think it was also the Falcons had to give the draft graders out there some red meat. I felt like this other than maybe people could get on the Browns, I guess, a little bit for trading out for Hunter,

but it felt like it was tough to really criticize too much in this draft. And then the Falcons for the second straight year gave it to people. Last year, I really defended the Falcons. I said, I think it's okay that you drafted Michael Pennix and what you gave up for him. Quarterback is everything, and you don't know what you're going to get out of Cousins. I think that worked out well for them, frankly.

The Cousins thing didn't, but I think it worked out well. This, I'm not going to defend. Let's go to our next pick. I'm all mixed up here. And talk about my guy, Walter Nolan. The search bar now has some players. Yes. The Cardinals defense, so Walter Nolan, the Ole Miss defensive tackle goes to Arizona.

And another player that goes on our motor motivation watch list where there was a lot of that discussion where I literally was trying to figure out what it was, what Walter Nolan did to run a foul of, and it apparently, apparently, just transfer from one place to another, which is apparently a crime. I agree with you, Patrick, that it's fair to be skeptical of the whisper campaigns that go out in terms of motivation. and things like that. But that stuff does matter. And I think where it ends up mattering the most is where you can see it on film. And I think when you watched Walter Nolan's film, if you took the top 25 plays of his film,

I think he goes top four in this class. I think he's probably the best defensive player, literally the best. Like, he's Albert Hainsworth. He looks like Albert Hainsworth or Chris Jones or something. But similar to Chris Jones falling, like you just see him, according to people I talk to, but I watch it too.

Like you just see him just kind of just, out there sometimes. And it was a little unpredictable. He'll take over a series and then he'll just disappear and like not give great effort. And so you're trying to figure out the reasons why that is. But I personally loved him and was hoping like he would go high and he ended up going pretty high. We hear me talk about player accountability. A lot of people like, well, he can coach this guy, those players, and I've noticed especially interior defensive players, if you don't have dudes around him, like when I say dudes, dudes, we're like, no, no, we don't do that here. You bust your tail on every play and everything you do. If you don't have those guys around

them, they're going to fall back into that muscle memory. So I hope he doesn't do that, but I have just seen that too many times in all of my years. And again, see it over and over with defensive interior guys. I think Jonathan Gannon, though, is a good coach for him in that. I agree. He's good at getting guys who can play multiple positions. Nolan's going to be a penetrator, but he can be really flexible. Of course, I'm giving the highest of highest possible outcomes. But I think, think like Chris Jones, I think you could use him in the way that the chiefs use Chris Jones where he's inside, he's outside, he's that type of player. And so I think that's the right defense for him. Shamar Stewart is a guy. You would never question his motor, Patrick.

Oh, I wouldn't. I'm not the motor question guy. No, I don't think anyone, but nobody did. Nobody did. I think he was in such an interesting prospect because he didn't have the sack production, but the physical traits were just out of this world and the Bengals love guys like that and he was known as a guy who was like the effort was through the roof like jalen walker where like he never cheated you for effort at i at all really intense and one of the guys in this class that i thought had the best performance on the stage and just the intensity oh yeah well he almost killed roger cadale yeah i mean he wouldn't hugged him his arms are like eight feet long and I think he did the double wrap

straight jacket on him. And then Jamie had to rescue the interview because he didn't, he was either so juiced up or perhaps upset about the weight. He was heated. Doesn't like you know spaghetti chili. Like either way.

Like something was going on. He, you could feel like a cauldron of energy inside him. He was not okay. That needed to be let out. And that actually made me really like him, you know, I was like, oh, I want that. I would not want to go against that guy. I wouldn't want to go against that. I wouldn't want to go again. I want to say, oh, you know, he's maybe going to be eventual place for Trey Hendrickson. Maybe. Remember, they lost Sam Hubbard,

who was an effort guy on the other side, who was a seven or eight sack kind of career guy each year. But he was disruptive. And that's the one thing you hear about, Sean. He's disruptive, disruptive, disruptive. If you can disrupt, enough in this division, that's enough for Trey and maybe some other guys, because this defense only needs to be okay. Yeah. Right? And this is a really good start. It was a position they really needed to fill.

He's a little bit of a boomer best guy. He's a little close to me in profile to Miles Murphy, who hasn't worked out for them. No. Sort of similar to Sam Hubbard in a weird way in that like good player, not a lot of sack production. Like that was the, actually, heck, that was Trey Hendrickson's rep coming out of college. And it took him a little while. And then he turned into an incredible, incredible player. But Tray Hendrickson is the guy that if he gets 20 pressures, he'll get sacks on 16 of those versus Shamar Stewart was getting pressures all over the place, but wasn't getting the quarterback down.

Shout out to the chat who wants to know, am I related to Ken Rosenthal? Oh. I've been getting that question on social media for my entire career. No, Rosenthal, very common name among the Jews. and we're both diminutive and we're both in the sports landscape. And we're getting it done. So shout out to Ken Rosenthal.

Never met him, but it seems like a really nice guy working over there for Fox. Let's move on. The 18th pick, the Seattle Seahawks. I think we got this pick. Jordan hit it. We agreed on it, but Jordan got it right when we did it in our mock.

I don't think we got many picks right, but we had Gray's Able. Dana Jeremiah's favorite player in the draft. You got to love if your team drafts, Daniel Jeremiah's favorite player in the draft. Because he was a senior bowl superstar. And that he fits like an awesome need for them. I think so that was. Absolutely.

That was need matching. It was a screaming need. Right. Tackle guards. He can go anywhere. I thought they might go wide receiver there because Egbuka was on the clock. He was available. And Matthew Golden was as well.

The bucks end up taking Amika. Man. I love that thing. And this was where. I just give it up to Jason Light at this point. I see the vision. You weren't a big Igbuka fan, Patrick, in the process. You just thought maybe it was some like jersey scouting

that he was getting a little overrated because of the wilds. Well, I do think there was some jersey scouts. I just didn't. I liked a couple of prospects more than Iqbuka. But this is a good spot, but it feels like the rich getting richer, potentially like at this position where I'm not sure how much of an ad to an offense that was scoring a billion points anyway, almost at will, what we're doing unless it's a long-term type deal, which I guess is the goal.

The way receivers are paid now, wide receiver rookie contracts are really valuable that first round. You have them under control for five years. I mean, Chris Godwin and Mike Evans are incredible. They do not have five years left. They might not have three years left with the buck. So it's a long-term play. Godwin's coming off a really serious injury, so it's also a short-term.

Correct. And Mike Evans, like you said, he's in the twilight of his career. You can't sit there and say, these guys are going to be there for us all the time. Look out of the Niners got themselves boxed in by not replenishing at a lot of positions. And I think that's what the Bucks have done. They've drafted offensive linemen when it seemed they didn't need to draft offensive linemen. They've drafted Interior defensive line folks when it hasn't seen it. And it's worked. And like some of our friends that we had on NFL Daily, John Ledger, and Ali Connolly, I was listening. They ended up in the end, the more they were, watched in Bugka, they put them up there ahead or right with Tet McMillan and Matthew

going, I think teams saw it differently. The feel that you were getting from reporters and kind of around where teams had all different rankings for these receivers. And some teams really loved Egbuka as like a true top 15 pick. The idea coming into tonight, we talked about before he even started was like, he's not getting out of the top 15 to 20 and he didn't. So the bucks take them. They build strength on strength. The Broncos surprise everyone. They don't go running back. they don't go wide receiver they go Jada Baron and that defense

Vance Joseph is set up for a monster season that is a wild defense the Broncos are building but I am surprised they didn't add a weapon for Bo Nex Patrick this might be my favorite

pick of the first one Really? I love it because this is a guy he's got a nose for the ball when he gets his hands on the ball he's dangerous you know Rod Wood's in the Hall of Famer is always like the most dangerous defender

is a defender with his hands on the ball who can make a play he's that type of guy right so you've got Sartan on one corner Riley Moss on the other corner. He's probably going to be in a slot, right? They added Tano Hufunga at strong safety. This is a defense that already like, mash. They made it more loaded, and now they're loading it up again.

They are not playing. They, I think, are just speaking truth when it's just best player. I think when a pick like this happens, first of all, they're looking at running back a wide receiver, two positions that are deep. Can we get a running back that we like in the third round? Can we get a wide receiver we like in the second round? Maybe they feel that's the case. Or maybe they feel like Jeremiah, who had Baronez's ninth player at points in this process.

And when the Broncos went up to pick was just easily the highest player on his board. And I'm sure he was on the Broncos board too. And they're just like, we got to trust that we think this guy is a special Cooper DeGine type of guy. That's who DJ compared to. Yeah, that was the comp to Cooper DeGine. And I love it. I think it makes sense. And Steve mentioned the way that he plays on the ball.

And they'll be back. They'll be back on the clock at 51 with a chance to get that back. and I don't necessarily ascribe to the logic of, oh, well, you can get a good running back anywhere. Yeah, if the guy is good, if you know it's good, you take him early. In this class, it seems like it, or at least they'll trust their evaluation. It seems like you will be able to get a good chance at a running back later.

The Steelers pick next. They had Derek Harmon from Oregon, pass rushing, defensive tackle, top de tackle on the board. They're getting a little older in terms of their defensive line, although it's still very good. They had to get a detackle. Yeah, they needed a de-tackle. tackle, maybe an eventual

Cam Hayward replacement, although a different type of defensive tackle, but he fits in. I didn't know what to think about Harmon in the process. A lot of differing opinions on him, but if the Steelers are into him, I kind of trust what they do when it comes to the front seven. Then the Chargers come on the board, and our friend Gavin, who's working on the show

tonight, big Chargers fan, didn't want Amari and Hampton when we put him on the team in the mock draft. We drafted Amarian Hampton and Gavin gave us a big thumbs no thumbs down rather in the back and you know who they take Amari and Hampton I like the combo I like the combo the UNC running back give Justin Herbert some juice let's watch some offense and I like getting an explosive player I would like an explosive player that Justin Herbert can throw the ball to and so it's not necessarily a critique of Amari in Hampton who is yeah to me the second best back in the draft you get them

in a good spot, but there were options to make the offense in total more explosive and not have it be the all lad show. And I think we're gearing towards another season of just it's lad and pray to God we can stop somebody. You know, there's there's round two. There's round three. Let's not. They had to get some pop out of the backfield. I mean, Najee Harris is just not, you know, he's your physical. Jim Harbaugh running back. Amari Hampton's a guy to build around. And shout out to again, Jeremiah, who if you were listening to. to our show on running backs with Maurice Jones Drew and Jeremiah. He put Hampton on the Chargers.

He thought that sort of explosiveness. You get your big pop guy. You get your chain-moving guy in Harris, and they just need to add some speed anywhere. I thought they would take Matthew Golden, but I'm kind of happy they didn't because then the Packers got to take him 23rd overall. It gave a great moment of him taking their first.

receiver in a long time. Why am I? I'm spoiling it. Let's listen to Mark Murphy, the outgoing team president of the Packers. With a 23rd pick in the 2025 NFL draft, the 13-time world champion Green Bay Packers for the first time since 2002. Oh, boy. Rathed a wide receiver. Listen to this crowd. Oh, baby. Matthew Golden. the saver of Texas. And he's here. And he's here. That was great. That was great. And then when he came out and just the crowd pop and his jacket

and just everything about it, you could tell from him it was a tough night waiting that long, but then the payoff to get there and get on a great team. Yeah, he gets to go play with Jordan Love. And then Matt LaFleur, one of the great offensive play callers, play schemers. And it's a really talented receiving group. He fits in, it's funny. It feels like they have, like, he fits right in with another guy. Like, I think he could be the best among them, maybe the most complete if he ends up

being, I think, everything that he can be. But it's almost like they have like five number two receivers. You know what I mean? They have all these two and threes that do different things. That's kind of who he is. But I think he's probably a little more complete if I really think about it than anyone in that room. They all have something they do well.

But when I see Golden, to me, he is almost a prototypical, like, one, two. That the guy, like a better version of maybe a Jordan Addison. I'm trying to think of like a good comp for him. But a guy that can do it, like a McConkey, if he really worked out at the highest of high levels. Yeah. And it's a player with explosiveness where we don't know, like week eight, nine, if Christian Watson is going to be able to be back by that point. And we know, considering the history.

the all of the conversation about who's the one everything the Packers have done extensive work on this and to make this pick at this point with this player I think we we know that Green Bay is going to utilize Matthew Golden in a way that's different where I love it we will know that that he is the one fantasy owners won't love it because it's just got to be like but as Mark Morpher pointed out they went first round pick with him They haven't done that in 2002, right? So shout out to Mark Murphy. I never knew until tonight that he was a former all-pro. All-pro safety.

I mean, an all-pro safety. He's having a great time. He's on his way out. He's on his way out. And shout out to the Packers for the mandated age limits for their executive roles, that he has to leave his job because he's turning 70. No slight to Mark Murphy. I'm just saying that makes sense to me.

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One of the, I wouldn't say, it wasn't like a total shock that he went first round, but not a guy people were talking about a lot, but people loved him. He was the guy I was hoping would get to the Patriots maybe the second round guard. They took their guard

in the first five picks. But they really bet on... I can't get over that, man. They bet on offensive linemen. God, I hope he turns out to be a stud left. No, I do too. It's a no-lose situation for me.

They bet big on offensive linemen like in free agency and they did it here. It's a three interior offensive linemen for the Vikings. Sorry. I can't get over like... I don't know why.

Will Campbell going to the Hall of Fame versus Greg being right. Those two are all the same. Those two are on the same level. Either way I'm good. We already talked about the Giants at 25, getting Jackson Dart. We'll be talking about that all offseason and the Falcons and how they traded back in. So the Ravens were up next. I mean, come on.

It was just too much. It's just destiny every draft. They get Malachi Stark, the safety that falls too far. And that's what the Ravens do. There is something, it is kind of funny that all the money that you spend on everything and scouting and everything that goes into it. And yet the Ravens and the Eagles, who are the two best at it, they kind of go off the consensus board more than anyone.

They kind of take the guy that's falling every time. And it works out really well. It's the perfect fit for what they do. Like the Ravens, like they've got Kyle Hamilton, arguably the best safety in the NFL. Ardarius Washington, who's a hell of a safety feeling, came in, play like 10. It was great. And now they get Malachi Stark. So now maybe Ardarius Washington can move into the slot where they

move marlin humphrey you know last year out of out of necessity so that's second i mean it's just are you happy as a raven's support like like steve mentioned the moves in the second day were out of necessity there was an open revolt at the safety position non-coll hamilton early on where you didn't know what who was going to be on the field and then Kyle has to come and play i mean he can play anywhere but having him go back to his natural position where they've there's always a couple of like There's that guy on the Kirby Smart defense. And now they've got two of them where Malachi was that guy. And Roquan was that guy.

And they get to. My only caution for you and for Ravens fans out there, A, it is just tough to come in in the secondary right away and play in the NFL. Like you're hoping to be average as a rookie. If you're average as a rookie, you're getting somewhere. That is not an easy defense to pick up. That's not an easy position to pick up for the Raven. And so Nate Wiggins, like, is a good example last year who take it around the same spot at a cornerback for the Ravens.

I think they're going to be excited about him moving forward. But you can't expect him to be caught. Not everyone's Kyle Hamilton, it's all I'm saying. So if in two years he's like a plus safety, I think that makes a lot of sense. And that is what will happen right away. Like, it's just, it's difficult to come in right away and like be a huge impact. I think he's protected quite well. Okay, fair.

And Quinnian Mitchell and Cooper DeGine will poopoo all over your coming. to make an impact as a rookie DB, by the way. Detroit Lions probably take the most surprising first round pick of the night. Although Tileak Williams from Ohio State was getting more buzz as the draft process went along. And he has a preposterous highlight reel. I didn't go back and watch Tileak Williams other than just his highlight reel. I mean, he is massive.

He is how NFL players used to be in the 1970s and 80s. like three, they list them at 3.40. I don't believe it. He is like 360. That's what I think he is. And 6263 and moves pretty well and stuff's the run. And he's like the Bill Parcell's planet theory. There are not many people on the planet that can move like Tiley Williams. So even though he was surprised to go in the first round, it's like, oh yeah, the lions took a guy like that. That kind of makes sense to me. I mean, it's like your famous New England Pages nose tackle. Yes. Vince Wilfork. Vince Wilfork, right? But he's, he's refrigerator Perry. Right? When you talk about kind of shorter, squat, hyperathletic, and he fits. The Detroit Lions, they've got some nice players of defensive tackle, but they've got to get started up the middle because they know what's coming in that division. And they're seeing the way, you know, everybody else is kind of building to match what they've done on the lines of scrimmage. That's a great, that's a great point. It's almost like they have to defend what they have started. We talked about the Vikings loaded up on the, right? This run thing. And comparing him to Will Fork is interesting too. Like I think early on, the idea I think will be if he can be a great run stopper,

that's the plan. And then in time, he could become a pass rusher like Vince was coming out of Miami. One of my favorite all-time prospects. Amazing that he felt. Where did he fall to in the dress? 14 or 20. Yeah. The best defensive player, well, one of the best defensive players and one of the best teams

of all time falling down. Made no sense. Put him in the Hall of Fame. Josh Connerley, again, we could talk about with Donovan Jackson, and every single offensive lineman got taken. Josh Connerly, an Oregon tackle, everyone got taken earlier than expected. He goes to Washington. Everyone, including me, thought they'd go edge rusher there, but they certainly need another

long-term tackle with Laramie Tunsell there. Maybe Conner Lee is at right tackle, or maybe he's at left guard for now, had his big supporters. I listened to the Nate Tice, Mike Tice podcast, and he was Mike Tice's. OT1 in the entire class. And that's a man who coached up offensive linemen very well in the NFL for a long time. And he thought Conner Lee had the most potential of any player in this class. So interesting picked by the commanders. The bills take Maxwell Harrison.

We're getting ready to go on and do this. So our producer, Eric, couldn't even watch it. But the cornerback that everyone kind of thought was going to go to the Packers, Speedster, runs that 4-2. Kentucky, great ball skills. You run a 4-2 at the combine. you're going in the first round, apparently. Yeah, I mean, look, and they know what they know what they have to do to get to a Super Bowl. I mean, you've got to stop the Zayflowers of the world.

You've got to stop those receivers in Cincinnati. I'm having Kair Elam flashbacks only because he was taken at the end of the first round and he was a combine guy and they had a massive need for it. It was the same situation. Hopefully it works out better. I think they have a better idea of the way they're going to use Maxwell hereston. It felt like Elam was out. And then the final two picks of the next year.

night and we still have some other things after we go through the picks, but they were just so typical for the teams. So perfect. The Chiefs trade up or trade back one spot with the Eagles. So the Eagles either thinking someone could trade up there, maybe the Chiefs were saying to, or the Eagles were just worried that the Chiefs were going to take Jahad Campbell, actually give up a fifth round pick, not much, but something, to move up one spot and take Jahad Campbell, who, you know, Jordan and I had him getting taken in the top 10. DJ had him overall of his players in his top 12. A guy I really love watching off ball linebacker from Alabama had really serious medical concerns. He might miss the start of the season because of the shoulder surgery. Maybe there's a little more long term people

are worried about more than just like, is he going to get ready for week one? He ends up falling, very typical Eagles move. Take the guy who's falling more than anyone else that has a ton of talent. And oh, by the way, is from like Alabama or one of the massive SEC schools. Pretty awesome. It's just so Eagles, you know, but that's what you can do when you have that amount of riches, right? You can take a risk on a player, develop them like they've done with so many other guys. If he doesn't have to play for a year, then have him come in and be an impact contributor. So that, again, we made some beautiful graphics if you're watching. So we got through 21 to 30 the picks there like a lot of offensive linemen and stuff we get to jihad camel and then we

wrap up with Josh Simmons is the final pick one that was mocked pretty commonly to the Kansas city chiefs ends up just being one pick later than everyone expected and I think what Andy Reid said tonight after the draft was that if not for the Patel attended injury right Josh Simmons would have been gone in the top 10 and the chiefs would have never even had the opportunity. I think that's right. And plenty of folks who've had an ACL repair, they harvest the Patelotendant. Like it's a very often used piece of, piece of human that goes to fix another piece of human where I don't think there's that much concern about Josh Simmons long term. And it's a great spot. I guess I don't know though. Patella tendons, it's more than an

ACL is I guess it's it takes longer you typically to recover from the yeah if because the the injury can be so traumatic and you've got to find material from somewhere to go there but if if the medical grade is good like on film he he goes before these other offensive linemen out of Ohio state I think if there are a lot of people that would tell you if he stayed healthy and played the way he played for the first few games because the first few games of the season I think he showed a level with that got him drafted tonight, that maybe people didn't totally see on tape the year, you know, before. He developed, like a lot of players do.

If he played like that all year, I think he's fourth overall to the Patriots tonight. Because he's, he's that guy. He's the prototype of what you look for in an athletic tackle, and he looked dominant and looked like a really, you know, smart and talented player. So the chiefs, they get a potential future left tackle at 32. That's it.

in terms of going through the picks, I do want to just go through just kind of some moments from the night before we go around and maybe say our favorite picks, if you have any. One thing that stood out to me, I mentioned Travis Hunter. I'll just start here. Before it even started, NFL Network is on, and they show a clip of Travis Hunter dancing, 45 minutes before the draft starts.

to I'm every woman. And this clip, to me, was the moment I was like, well, you better, you better move up in the draft and take this guy. He is everything. He is like, you just feel like how comfortable he is, how much fun he is having, how much fun you should be having.

And he's out there dance to I'm every woman in front of like 125,000 people. I mean, I love it. He's getting down to Shaka Khan to the house band. You know, he's just, but he's, but he's, but he's, that joyous guy right that's the one thing all he does is he plays football video games and goes fishing and dances to shock a con have you ever heard of i mean obviously you have but like when he's

in an interview like what i think it was what you see what you get when you combine that guy and the guy who loves football so much that he's not only talented enough and that the game slows down for him enough in a way where he sees it at a level that just mortals do not but that he loves the game enough that he wants to play 120 snaps yeah a game that's the that's a per it's literally a perfect prospect at two different positions anyways i just i love that little to the extent that it dictated his college choice right right and if he's in the the coaching world and the circumstances are different people would would call him a genius we say one of one a lot he's he's one of one and that is down to him just enjoying the night so that was a fun moment that's a great point Patrick made about his

college choice. He's out here dancing to Shaka Khan at Lambeau Field. And when he came out of, when he came out of high school, Collins Hill High School in Atlanta, he could have gone anywhere. He goes to Jackson State, right? In HBCU, and that got Nick Saban and everybody all, hey, what the hell is this kid doing going to Jackson State? Because he went to Dion. He felt most comfortable there. He's comfortable. And look where he landed. Pick two. And that's only because you've got to take a quarterback one. Other than, other than that, he's pick one. And he's going to floor. Watch him elevate, watch him elevate all of his teammates around him because the type of player that he is. Like, that's what I root for. And that's why I was rooting for Shadur to the

Steelers. Yeah. Well, just because I thought it'd be an exciting story to follow. And we'll see where he ends up. We'll get to the best available guys in a second. But did you guys have any any moments tonight that stuck out to you? It was Matthew Golden. Okay. The excitement, the feeling of the crowd welling up and everybody there from Mark Murphy kind of getting the excitement going to what I really wanted was the shot of Matthew Golden walking out and you know the the highly paid draft attendants that are up front close to the stage I wanted to see the people I wanted to see the people who have been back there for six seven hours standing on people's shoulders to get a glimpse of who the Packers were going to take and in golden in this opportunity it was just a

perfect moment where I'm almost glad the Chargers and the Cowboys and these other teams that had a chance to take him, didn't take them just so we got that. I love that. The gladiator kind of silhouetted, are you entertaining type thing? I forget the player whose baby was throwing up. He was at his house, but it's a viral video now. Yeah, it's a viral video. I can't remember his baby, blah, spitting up has become viral. But that's not my favorite moment. Mine was the Mark Murphy, the Packer CEO, the outgoing CEO, just really giving it up to the fans. I mean, he's such, knowing Mark, the way I do, and so upstanding, and him to show that excitement and that joy, because he's like a very right here dude.

And to give it to the crowd, like he did in the city, the Green Bay and the Packers worked so hard to get that draft there. To me, that really was kind of cool. Another moment that was all about Green Bay, because it showed the incredible crowd that was there. I just didn't think that many people could possibly be there, 125,000 people in a town that doesn't have that many people that even lived there. The shot of the entire crowd at the very moment where Clay Matthews referenced our president and that he had just gotten off the phone with him and was making a joke that he wanted to send a message to the people. The fact that

the NFL network director, I'm not sure who it was, immediately just took the camera off Clay Matthews in that moment, worried like hell of like what is about to just happen. Like where we go here, Clay Matthews just takes a shot. Takes a shot at the Bears. I would say he landed the plane. I would, I still don't, uh, I don't know.

Who landed the plane, the director who pulled through the drone can? The director is who I'm giving the best moment to. I don't really, play Matthews, it could have been worse, I guess he set such a low bar for how that started that I was worried about how I was gonna end. At least I was relieved for, for how it, There we go. Same. Some other funny moments. You know, the house band played Don't Stop Believing a couple times. That was fun. Goodell was wearing, according to Colleen Wolf, she believes they were

Air Force ones, some like kind of souped up Air Force ones. She wasn't totally sure, but she got kind of a look at Goodell. Shout out to Colleen, by the way, who did a great job. Yes. Not just at the stadium and, you know, in between not for the TV arms, but on TV with Laura Rutledge, of ESPN announcing that the schedule release will be May 14th. So we know when we're doing our game debut show, by the way. Yeah. Schedule release is on May 14. Schedule release. And for those who

don't know, the NFL typically does not release that date until like two days until they're going to release the schedule. So this is different. And by Steve saying release, that's also when we would find out. That's what we would find out. I love that company, man. We got a graphic up for it. I didn't even know we had all that.

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Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. We should talk a little bit about day two. So I mentioned Nick Shook is going to join me. We're wrapping up here. But Nick is going to join me after Friday's broadcast. Not planning to go live, but although, who knows? Maybe we could change I hadn't really thought about that for Friday nights podcast. Let's think about the best available players. Let's start at quarterback. So no Jalen Milrow, no surprise. Shudor Sanders still out there.

Tyler Shuck, who definitely has his fans out there. Those are probably the big three. Although, man, late in the process, Will Howard from Ohio State was definitely getting some buzz. Gruden loves him. I think some McVeatry-type teams will love him. they're out there at quarterback. Let's keep the conversation there just quickly.

Just what do you think about the quarterbacks and maybe how this all happens? This is really interesting because, you know, Cleveland's got the two picks now. They picked up a second one in the front end. I am not sure that they use that on Shador Sanders. So you think they're just thinking 2026? Well, I mean, I'm thinking, you know, maybe they're not going to use that type of compensation

if they try to get into the Kirk Cousins trade talks, but maybe they use that for some other positions. Yeah, I think so. You know, maybe, maybe, you know, wide receivers since they didn't go Travis Hunter. And then I think when it comes to Shudor, I do think that the Raiders are a team that can come into play right there. Have him back to, you know, you got to go back to the Matt Flynn, Charlie Whitehurst, and then they draft Russell Wilson in third round. That type of thing. We'll see how far Shihler slips.

And also, Jalen Milroy, I think when you talk about Cleveland, getting a young quarterback, his old O.C. at Alabama, Tom Reese is now the O.C. in Cleveland, that's something I would watch. I still don't know if it would be in the front end. But if they move back, I think that's a young developmental guy to look at. Right. I tend to agree with you. I think the Browns are more likely to take another quarterback later, which sounds crazy. You would risk losing the guy you really wanted. But I think they're going to look at these as premium picks. By the way, a friend of the show, Katie Caldwell, who does a podcast with our friend, Nick Shook, points out the Settlers of Katan guy as a fun moment. of the night. That was Lainon Jackson, right? I believe.

Was it? Was it? Gray's Abel? Oh, was it Gray's Abel? I'm not confusing my offensive lineman. And the Settlers of Catan board was was set up. It was prominently featured in the shot which made us think like, is this an NIL thing? Or not even, not even. Like, is he just straight up sponsored? Or he just loves Catan. I got to say people that love Catan, they talk about Catan a lot. I'm not a big settlers of Catan guy, but I'm not against it.

I was kind of a risk guy in middle school. I like to me a little bit of a risk. Let's bring up that best available board again because it is one of those classes where it seems like the second round is awesome. Will Green from Marshall, some off-field stuff, but a lot of people thought he was like edged two or three in this class.

Donovan Ezraku, who I really like as a talented pass researcher from BC, still out there. Will Johnson from Michigan, a lot of people, CB1, not taking medical concerns. Nick Amin Worry I love him

I mean that's The Combine Freaks still out there This is a great top of the second round And the thing about Nick Amin Worry and I know a lot of people just found out About him at the Combine He comes into Columbia South Carolina as a freshman

Starts every single game Leads the team in tackles Their best player On a very talented defense Where I think Nick Amin Worry Had the production The Combine just kind of confirmed it And I felt like he was

going to go tonight to be honest i loved him he was one of my favorite players and i thought if the rams hadn't traded out that's who they're going to get but you know when you when you when you look at what this guy can bring i i just think he's one of the first guys off the board i think he's got pushed back because he's a safety a lot of people were like that's the position we can get in the second round yeah i think you know the texans are are picking second they're probably not going to go secondary it's really interesting that the browns have two of the top four picks Knowing them, they could use a safety. Their team analytic, I think they're going to use that first pick to maybe pick up even more.

They're going to look at this as an opportunity where they take one guy here and they move down and they just keep picking up picks. Eventually you have to select players. Well, they will select them in this class. I think it'll just be like moving down in the second round and feeling like that's where the value. And to be fair, there are, we just went through some of them. There are a lot of good players. Like all those running backs are available. Travion Henderson did not get taken.

Quintan Junkins didn't get taken a lot of good wide receivers my guy Kyle Williams didn't go off the board the tight ends Mason Taylor Elijah Oroyo there are certainly a lot of good defensive tackles that are available like

it's going to be a really good second round's going to be great and of course Shador is going to be the conversation because wow I mean you look at the board now and you're just like how early in the second round is he going to go could he be like Malik Willis

to slide into the third I mean, I don't think we can sit here and say I don't think you can rule that out I also don't think you can rule out him going behind Shuck and maybe Howard and maybe Milro I mean I'm just saying Is wow

quantifiably insane too Yeah that like I agree with you on Shuck Because I'm not in on him I think Milro Could a team fall in love with just his upside And prefer him to Sanders Because different flavors

Yeah I mean That's not that crazy to me Especially if Shudder falls past the first half of the second round. I tend to think, and I don't know who it's going to be, but I tend to think he's not going to have to wait that long

on Friday night. I think the Raiders at 37 are a really interesting Shadur Sanders. And I wouldn't love it as my, you know, loving Gino. And I think they want to win right away. And so that would be one reason

why they wouldn't take Shadur. But they might look at the future and think about it. We see where he is on their board. I love it. I love a first. round, which a lot of great outcomes. Travis Hunter, trade, gave us a little pop.

And then, like, a lot of guys in systems where I think can maximize who they are. I think Colston Loveland and Tyler Warren ended up with the right teams for them. Egbuka, you know, got to be learning from the greats in Tampa. I think he ended up in a really great team for him. Hampton, being with Justin Herbert, a lot of the offensive players, to me,

Gentie with the rated, I think ended up in great spots. I don't know if you guys have favorite picks Or should we just get out of here? No, I'm ready. I'm ready to defend the Falcons decision making. I don't value. I liked the teams that went ahead and moved. I don't value future picks in the same way.

Maybe that's silly. Those are people too, future picks. They're people. They're hypothetical people. We don't know. They have two people today. Well, as Kyle Shanahan said, I don't even know if we're all going to be here alive on Sunday

when he was talking about a future game. The way things are going, And like, who knows if we're all going to be here in 20, 26. So get your picks in now. When Kyle said that he just didn't want to answer a question, though. Yeah. I don't know. I think that way.

I do think that way. You get older and you're just like, you can't guarantee anything. Make the most take it with you. We're getting existential. Yeah. I'm looking at the back. And these young kids who are producing this. They're like, what are you talking about?

You'll get there. Yeah, a few years. Somebody asked how things are going and be like, well, I woke up this morning. It helps me enjoy the draft even more. I'm soaking up this whole thing because you just never know when you're going to have another one. So let's enjoy this draft.

Don't worry if your left tackle is going to be pushed into guard. Enjoy this one with you. This is the first time we've all done this together. It was an absolute treat. We will be back, like I said, on Friday. Thank you, Steve. Thank you, Patrick.

Appreciate it, man. Hopefully we get you back next week. Patrick's already locked in. We'll talk after the show. Let's hit it. Friday. We are recapping. Round two. Nick Shook and I, we will see you then.

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