NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Flacco Trade Reaction; Antonio Brown Landing Spots

Episode Date: February 13, 2019

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Chris Wesseling and Gregg Rosenthal fill you in on all of the news around the league including Joe Flacco being traded to the Broncos (4:30), The Arizona Cardinals saying they will stick with rookie QB Josh Rosen (15:02) and Redskins players confirming they won't see QB Alex Smith in 2019 (20:01). Where will Antonio Brown end up after he publicly declared he wanted to leave the Steelers? (27:34) The heroes end the show with a segment called "big names who could be cut" (42:51).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Terrible. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis and I am joined in a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. We could lose that money drive. I don't like the insinuation even.

Plus we did it during Super Bowl week. Yeah, how about moratorium on Scott Zolak until September? I mean, or even beyond September. I mean, no one's given Big Z more a free pub than this podcast. That's what I'm saying. It's time to pull back the reins a little bit. Who's his partner, Sochi? Bob Sochi.

Maybe it's Sochi's time to get a little shine. Can't disagree with that. All right. Wow, the four of us back together. First time since Super Bowl Sunday. And that's great. Mark, how was your weekend with the family and kids? Uh, very enriching.

My dog, Mark with a C. Very rewarding. In what sense? It, uh, made my life better and hopefully the lives of my children and relatives better. How would you, how would you rate your relationship with your father-in-law? Let's start there. Well, it was with my actual parents. Oh, your parents, that's right.

But I would rate it high. How about your dad? Very high. U and Ed. What's going on there? Good relationship. Very strong. No issues.

Enjoy talking together. You got it. You got to follow Mark on Instagram. I mean, there's some good beat. There with Ed, and you would have seen. They had a great time down in Newport. And your old lady, and she's good, too. Your old lady.

I mean, I wouldn't address her that way. Nor should you. She's your age, so that that cancels out your age. No, not Simone, your mom. Well, your mom is not your old lady. It's what you call your wife in theory. You guys all sure of yourselves. What?

No. You would call your old lady your mom. No, no, no, no. You call your old lady. You would call neither one. Traditionally, the old lady, you don't call your mom. Absolutely the wife. You don't call your mom.

Here's the proof that you're wrong. Wonderful. Who do you call the old man? Neither. Your father. All right, Greg, we get it. Your father is the old man. That works.

Right, but traditionally in pop culture or in America, when you say the old lady, it means the wife at home. Yes, it's like from a 1960s sitcom and hasn't been used too much since. Right. Well, luckily, it's a stalemate because I stand by old lady's mom. Well, I don't address anyone in my family. tree as old ladies so I they're all they're all vibrant and young to me all right well that see we're off to a flying start here because I got a lot of good information out of that back and

forth all right seems to be going to go in a good place it is great to be back yeah all right so today's show a lot to get to including a huge trade involving one of the more well-known quarterbacks of the last decade also big news involving and Antonio Brown, who continues to relentlessly publicize his uncertain status as an NFL player, and least in terms of where he'll be playing in 2019. And also, we're going to talk about some, you know, big names who could say goodbye to their current teams. Or, to be more accurate, Greg, their team say goodbye to them. I mean, it's already started to happen.

we better talk quickly before this gets out of date. Tough business, you know. But before we do that, let's get to the news. And yes, the big trade in the NFL. Blackwell stepping up and throwing deep down the far sideline. Put into the end zone. Touchdown, Jacoby Jones. How does that happen in the Denver secondary?

That is stunning. that with a three-man rush and dropping eight guys into coverage that the Denver Broncos could misplay this to this point. Ah, yes, the mile high miracle there was 70 yards Joe Flacco to Jacoby Jones in the 2012 divisional playoffs.

To me, one of the great holy shit moments of the NFL newsroom in my time here. Are we calling that to my... High Miracle? I thought you banned miracles. It has its own look. It has its own Wikipedia page.

That's ridiculous. I'm looking right at it. Yeah, I did put a moratorium on Miracles, but after the Miami one. Anything before. Did anyone even know that was called a mile high miracle? I don't think anyone called it that at the time, though. I think it's appropriate that Flacco was grandfathered in. Do you want to know something else?

There is a second mile high miracle that was the 1996 divisional playoff game between the Jags and Broncos. But this goes back to the point I made a few months ago. So everyone got so crazy with a miracle thing that just got muddled and it took away actual miracles that we see like the Minneapolis miracle, which was legit. I don't know. You could argue nothing that happens on a football field is actually a miracle also. Let's maybe start there. Okay. All right.

Here we go. Joe Flacko. It's over for him in Baltimore. After a storied run with the Ravens, the team agreed in principle to trade. Joe Flacco to the Denver Broncos in exchange for a mid-round pick NFL Network Insider Ian Rappaport reported via sources informed of the situation. Rapaport added that Flacco, who had three years remaining on his deal, will need to rework that contract for the Broncos. Neither side of the deal. Don't expect to hear from them because they're not allowed to publicly comment on the transaction until the NFL's new calendar year begins on March 13.

ESPN's Adam Schaefter first had it. Wes. John Elway. He whiffs on Paxton Lynch, first round pick. John Elway. He gives $25 million guaranteed to Case Keenham. That's a whiff too. Now he's getting the 34-year-old Joe Flacco with a bad back coming off some bad years.

Your thoughts on this deal. Also, this one's for John and all right, that one's for John. Come to think of it, this one's for John, and also that one's for John. Well, I think the skepticism on Elway has been earned as far as what he's done at quarterback and offensive line over the past few years. But I thought that this was, you know, reminded me so much of the Amari Cooper trade on Twitter. Everyone overreacted. And I think overreacted because of Joe Flacco's name and John Elway's name. It was, it's facile analysis, it's lazy,

snark, and it's a fourth round pick for a guy who's an upgrade on Case Keenum, who I believe the Broncos players learned last October could not make the throws in NFL starting quarterback needs to make. I challenge anyone to sit down with me and watch Joe Flacco's game film from the first quarter of last season and tell me this guy can't play. Well, the key is the first quarter because you're right. I thought he played pretty well to start. And I think if Justin Walker makes that kick, Joe Flacco remains the quarterback. But then he didn't, he didn't play as well in his last few starts. I agree. And then he was hurt. And then you have to look at the previous two years where he was also hurt and not playing pretty well. And look at the larger sample size over the last

three or four years. I'm with you, Wes, that I think I'd rather have Joe Flacco than Case Keenum. But I also believe that Flacco is like a slightly better version of Eli Manning right now, different sort of player in that he needs to have everything around him be perfect for him to be kind of a mid-tier quarterback and what John Elway has shown us, not just with the quarterback mistakes that Dan mentioned, but more with the offensive line is that he's not going to have everything perfect around him. Okay, that's fair. That's absolutely fair that John Elway has not proven he can get an offensive line to protect his quarterbacks, but it's February. He hasn't had a chance to go out and get an offensive line yet. Let's... No, but he's at six years. That's what I mean. Okay, but six years

don't mean like in 2019 he can't go get offensive line. I think it's one of the hardest things to and you also just look at, okay, Matt Paradis, their center is coming off a major injury. Max Garcia is coming off a major injury. Ronda Leary is coming off a major injury. I don't even know if all those guys are going to be back. Paradis as a free agent, they might cut Leary. And so I just worry if you're a Broncos fan

that the situation for Flacco is going to be an uphill battle, and there's no reason to think he's going to, like, overcome an uphill battle. I think it's like somewhere in between because it's not, forget all the snark, Wes, I hear you. And Joe Flacco is not some sort of bottom. 10 quarterback. But I can't think of another team allowing a general manager if his name was not John Elway to attempt to solve the quarterback issue this many times. It feels like he's digging out of a hole. I get that. And to me, it's like, what are you telling players that you're bringing to the

Broncos? What is your long-term plan at quarterback? Joe Flacco is another one-year patch who will spend all off-season talking about, and he'll probably have a high ankle sprain in week four, miss eight weeks and they'll be screwed again. I mean, this is snark-free. I don't think John Elway knows what he's doing at the quarterback position, which is ironic given who he is. But I just don't, yes, when things are right, Wes, is Flacco still a fine quarterback?

Yeah, but that's, at this point in his career, you know, you can't assume anything with him. His body has been breaking down for year. It's also not cheap. All this is true, which is why the price is a fourth-round pick, which is way less than the Brown's trade. for Tyrod Taylor, it's way less than the Browns wanted to pay for A.J. McCarran. It's less than the Redskins paid for Alex Smith who couldn't throw downfield.

But do the Broncos better? Well, wait. Yes. The Broncos are better. I don't care about the trade terms, though. That means nothing. Of course it does. It depends what you give up for a guy. They gave up a fourth round. It would be a nightmare trade. Well, they're giving up $20 million. Yeah, you're right. I don't care. The fourth term, what does it matter? They're just choosing Joe Flacko. And more importantly, they're better now than they were. They're a little better, but they're also choosing to case Keenum $6.5 million this season to go away. And so they're eating a huge cap hit and they're ultimately paying their quarterbacks, you know, about $30 million to Joe Flacco and

Case Keenum. So that's a problem. It makes the rest of your team harder. And it's just, again, it's trying to crawl out of the problem. I agree with all of this. Joe Flacco is not a sure thing. But again, if he's surrounded with talent and John Elway has a lot of work to do to get that, come watch the game film with me from last September. This guy can still. play. There's a lot of ifs. I get it. I do think it's also choosing Flacco over other options and okay, maybe this is the guy they felt that they could get, but they're

choosing him over Tannahill and Bridgewater and this is the guy and Nick Foles. There was a lot of rumors that they were going to be the ones that kind of made a sneaky big push to get Nick Foles and maybe they decided that was too. I mean, they stole the number 10 pick too. I mean, are we counting out

that you bring in quarterback as well? I think you have to have a part B to this plan. No, and I think we should talk about from the Ravens side, you know, they are eating 16, like people are giving them a little credit for getting the fourth round picks. I don't care about it. Let's not give them credit for a contract in which Flacco will be the highest paid person on their team this year in terms of cap charge. Like Flacco will still take up the most cap hit of any team.

That contract, it's a great kind of look back like, and I think Ravens fans would say we'd do it. But it's really the ultimate. People are, like, wonder, like, what would you do for a Super Bowl title? Because that contract ended up being one of, if not the most onerous contracts in the NFL the minute after he signed it. And the timing of him having the best playoff run, maybe any quarterback had all decade, right before that contract. And what's happened since is connected because he's been an average to below average quarterback and they haven't been a winning team. But he brought them a Super Bowl. He won so many playoff games for them.

He's been there. Think of all the quarterbacks that they had before Flacko. He really is the Baltimore Ravens quarterback as a franchise. They never had one before. No doubt. I'm just curious if after Paxton Lynch, after you're into Case Keenan for $25 million, essentially, for one year, when Joe Flacco, and I feel pretty strongly about this, given the recent history, when he spends half of the season on the sideline with an injury, is that when John L.A. runs out of rope? like how much how important is joe flacko staying healthy and effective now to john oewee keeping his job well they just got a new head coach and one other thing we haven't mentioned i do think it's a really

interesting story in general no one has said the word rick scangerello on this podcast yet they have a brand new offensive coordinator that's never run a team before and it's and it kind of reminds me more of how elways botched this off season he had the guy in place in his best buddy gary Kubiak, that's who he was planning to hire. That's one of the reasons, supposedly, they went and got Flacco, because Kubiak loved Flacco so much, really pumped him up to Elway. But they couldn't make that work, and instead they have a first-time coordinator that's Kyle Shanahan's, was a Kyle Shanahan accolite.

Another guy that John Elway could have hired a few years ago but didn't want Kyle Shanahan. So instead you get, like, one of his little pupils. And I don't know. I mean, it's just a lot. It's too early to suggest that he's going to fail, though, also. Maybe that will turn around and look like a fine. Absolutely, but it's an X factor. And I think I'd feel better if Kubiak was their coordinator

or if Kyle Shanahan was their head coach. I just think like if you're a Broncos fan, you want this to almost play out like the Tyrod Taylor thing where it's this headlines are all getting Flacco, but maybe you draft someone at 10 because there are now we're seeing emerging more and more quarterback sudden go high and someone that pushes Flacco off the field

versus relying on a 34-year-old Joe Flacco to stay healthy for 16 games. I'd be stunned if they'd be. didn't draft the cord rack they're going to it's just whether it's second first third round whatever it's going to be well dan i think under most owners elway would be gone by now but he's operating in a power vacuum with no owner there and i get that i mean not only is he a franchise legend he also has a super bowl ring um he's an institution and he's an institution he owns a lot of car dealerships and that's good too and they were they were a top three franchise for about four or five

years in terms of wins i mean them them them the house patented yeah i mean they were great for a while In other quarterback news, as we talked about on Monday show, Kyler Murray announced Monday that he's firmly and fully committed to pursuing an NFL career, the Heisman Trophy winner out of Oklahoma, who a lot of people think is going to be a first round pick, maybe even a top 10 pick, maybe a top five pick. Anyway, so that takes us to the Arizona Cardinals, who own the number one overall pick.

They, of course, took Josh Rosen 10th overall last year, everything about the 2018 season. sucked for the Cardinals. Let's be honest. Rosen had some moments, but he underwhelmed and it wasn't necessarily his fault. But it also wasn't a type of season where I guess the Cardinals might think they definitely have their guy. Could they be tempted to go get Kyler Murray, who has a connection to new Cardinals coach Cliff Kingsbury? They share an agent, apparently, and the coach has spoken and highly of the quarterback in the past. Anyway, Cardinals team president, Michael Bidwell,

threw some cold water on these rumors during a radio appearance on 987 in Arizona. Well, I think, look, Josh's a smart guy. He's been around. He's seen what happens year in and year out. There's always a lot of speculation that turns out to not be true. But as we get moving forward, you know, we're going to continue to build on this team

and build around the foundation that we have. Mark, do you buy it? in that the Cardinals are still all in on their young quarterback? I mean, if you were to rank the amount of power that coaches have in the NFL from 1 to 32, Cliff Kingsbury feels low on the list to me. So I don't really need to worry too much about what he said before he became the coach of the Cardinals about a quarterback completely removed from this situation. But at the same time, I just don't see this going away as a story at all no matter what.

The Cardinals have made this proclamation about Josh Rose and Moore. than once. And I think that the likely odds would, you know, I'll go to Greg with all the odd stuff. But I think that Rosen is probably going to stay put. But it's just an odd situation where it's pretty clear that your coach has an obsession with this very available other quarterback. Well, we don't know. He said the, I wouldn't watch the, he said it in early October as he was about to play Kyler Murray. What did he say? All he said was if I had the, and this is like week five of the college season, if I had the number one pick of the draft, I would take that guy, or that's how good.

Like Belichick talking up. And he said he was doing it on purpose to pump him up before playing. And it's just, it's kind of funny. And that said, he does kind of fit what you think of what Kingsbury has accomplished in college. And that all makes sense. And I would think it's an interesting idea, not just Murray, but any quarterback there. Because Josh Rosen, I think, would have significant trade value across the NFL. I think there'd be a lot of teams that would give up.

Not nearly the value that he had last year. I think he could still get a first round pick. I really, I can't imagine there's that. many teams that would have changed their evaluation that much and would look at the situation, I really think in this league, a team, like, who knows, that might have a starting quarterback in place already, like the Patriots, whoever. But the fact that Michael Bidwell is the one that went on the radio, that he, like, said, hey, radio station, put me on, hey, Arizona cardinals.com, which I own, put this across the front cover that I want to make statements that Josh Rosen

as our guy. And as Mark said, the GM is the one that took Rosen. That makes you think that they want Rosen to be the guy. And the Cardinals's Twitter page, they took, it was a very 2019 move. They took Kingsbury's quote, Josh is our guy and splashed it with the comment, y'all having fun with speculation. But, Wes, I want to tee up on this. You think what you saw from Josh Rosen, and like I said at the top here, he was not set up well. But do you think what he put on tape was enough to really hurt his around the league? No, I think you can't evaluate Josh Rosen based on last year. Based on his offensive line, based on his wide receiver core, and based on his coaching

staff that was found wanting, you cannot evaluate Josh Rosen. And I also think, like, nobody's drafting a 5-foot-9, 185-pound quarterback number one overall. So I think it's a non-issue. I do think he will go in the first round, and I have this, like, psychic feeling that it's going to be the Saints. I just feel like the Saints are going to take this guy. And my voice is a total shot.

I apologize. I like that. Mark calls his shot February 13th. He's going to be right. Don't have a first round pick because it's in Green Bay. I wouldn't have the problem with them trading up, though, to get one either. I think that they, this feels like a Sean Peyton type person or maybe a Patriots type quarterback. Moving on, Redskins, brass.

They are not saying anything publicly about the status of Alex Smith, but one of Washington's key players is keeping it real in a interview with NBC Sports, Washington on Tuesday. He said, when I talk to Alex, he's staying about positive about it. We know and understand that it's probably not going to happen that we have him this year. He's a hardworking guy. He's going to do whatever he can to get back if he decides that he wants to put that workload on his leg again. So we continue, not that none of this is a surprise, but we continue to hear. And now this is a Redskins player that was talking to the quarterback himself, Alex Smith, that we will not see Smith in 2019.

And it does absolutely put the Redskins into the QB Draft Derby. We've been saying this from the very beginning that Alex Smith won't play in 2019 and may never start again in the NFL. I mean, the Redskins desperately need a quarterback. And his contract, it's hard to overstate how they have to just pretend as if he's like Joe Flacco, that he's a sunk cost, but it's crazy how costly it is. I mean, he's 20 million on the cap this year. And his salary is guaranteed for next year through injury as a starting quarterback again.

Yeah, because of his injury. There's a kind of insurance coverage. I know that sometimes is something that you hear bandied about. I mean, they're completely on the hook. That should be in the contract. Either way, he's getting paid and he's on the salary cap for next year. So it's really unfortunate for them. For him, first of all, but it's unfortunate for them too.

it really affects them the next couple of years that they're paying, they have to just accept that they're paying him and work around it, because I think they're going to try to look and pay someone else starting quarterback money. They're going to have to. It's like a baseball team.

It's like a baseball team when they get stuck with a $30 million guy who can no longer play. The contract's guaranteed. I almost can't help but wonder which Gruden has more work to do this off season because suddenly the Redskins have a lot to fill in. Absolutely.

It could be, if you get the wrong guy and it's almost impossible not to, with what's out there for veteran quarterbacks, you have to find a draft guy. I mean, there aren't that many times where this statement wouldn't be true, but there isn't a team. I think I'd want to be a fan less of

than the Redskins right now coming to the next. I mean, they've long been on your radar, but I'm just saying, they're in a pretty terrible situation. This injury, even before Smith got hurt, and we talked about it all through the last season, he wasn't playing well, but now it essentially puts them into purgatory.

And they're going to probably sit there for a couple of years and hopefully come out on the other side. They need to somehow. They need to somehow get lucky at quarterback with Bridgewater or, I don't know, Tana? I mean, could they, or just someone that, Tyrodot, they somehow turn Tyrod and they just hope they win nine games. That's probably like that. All these guys are. Yes, and that's the best case scenario.

A three and 13 scenario is very on the table, too. Demarius Thomas is not connected to a team any longer. The Texans released the veteran wide out after half a season. He came over at the trade deadline. Houston shipped a fourth-round pick to the Broncos, hoping to compliment, Andre Hopkins. It didn't quite work out. Thomas 31, who's obviously lost the burst and ability that made him a star with the Broncos, had just 23 catches for 275 and two scores in seven games. Then he blew out his Achilles in week 16. So who knows if it'd even be ready to play

come week one. But given the fact that he's 31, given that he was in decline, Mark, you get the feeling it's not going to be a welcoming market for Demeris Thomas if he continues to play or wants to play. Well, I mean, Greg and Wes here are putting together their list of free agents. And I heard you, one of you believes he would not even be on the list, potentially. The other had him, I believe, was it 80s something, late 80s? I had him in the 90s, Greg, I believe didn't hit him at all, didn't have him at all. I still got to do it.

That was just a guess. He's 31. He'll be almost 32 when the season starts. Coming off in Achilles injury, did not play well for the Broncos or the Texans last year. And look at a guy like Brandon Marshall. Like, we see him as a borderline Hall of Fame. or his last good season was age 31. The end comes quickly.

It does, especially at that position. Finally, in the news, the Buccaneers part ways with defensive end, Vinnie Curry, who was a big player in the Eagles Super Bowl run. He part laid that into a – this is one of my favorite Rhodo World moves. They put all contracts now in quotes, three-year, $23 million deal last March. So he gets paid. He made $6.5 million in $20. But that's all the contract ends up being.

One for six and a half. They're able to get out of the deal. And Curry goes back on the street. He had just two and a half sacks in 12 games. You guys, I mean, listen, where does a Vinnie Curry type, a defensive end with some bonafides, but never, you know, monster seasons in his resume. Where does he fall in the pre-adency pecking order?

Let's see. I have my list right here. It's like fifth or six on my list. I had a nine. It's not going to be high. Good did. It was a disaster there. Peg this.

the edge of the top 10. Demarius Thomas, I had 98, Vinnie Curry, 91. They're in the same category. It's a reminder. Jason Light's gotten a lot of rope in Tampa. He's on his third head coach. They have had quite a few. Jason licked, by the way.

Disastrous free agent signings. And his record there is 27 and 53 in five years. Minnie Elway minus the Super Bowl. Are you saying in the legendary pro career and the car dealerships? Oh. Are you saying that maybe the buck should see? see the light on this situation. Hey, it was a good job.

The eagle saw the light not resigning. That's what good teams do. A bang. They self-scout. That's what's happening in the news. All right. Well, there's one other big piece of news, but that will segue into our next topic here.

Antonio Brown, who's going to out of nowhere. Saying that's going to seg into our next topic? Yeah, this is more news. Segway is too long a word. It's industry jargon. Dan has mastered it. Yeah, it's jargo, bro. Got it.

Seag into this next sec. Chargo, bro. Antonio Brown, we know, is having a tiff with the Steelers. There was an idea that he could end up being traded this offseason. Well, he took the next move to try to make it a reality sending out on all social media platforms. Thank you, Steeler Nation, for a big nine years. Time to move on and forward. Peace sign.

hashtag new demands i don't know i must not be following a story close enough i don't get the ref um but also included a um a highlight real video and some music really nice social media work by his team um but can't go over a minute twitter that you know that's the twitter max that stayed right at a minute and we can't play any rights music at all uh but apparently antonio brown could go crazy uh you know playing who was it gregg i know you love rap Greg likes rap. I listened to it. I listened to it on mute.

I did watch it for like 30 seconds, but I do what I want by Lil Uzi Vert. I'm not familiar with his work. Anyway, so, you know, he's drawing the line in the Senate. He said, get me out of town. And of course, why wouldn't you want to play with the Steelers and play with an amazing quarterback and make a ton of dough and be competing for the Super Bowl every year? I hope this dude ends up in purgatory himself. You know, send them to the Redskins and then see how much he enjoys, you know, being the man in the headlines all the time.

All right, I'm going to get off Mount Pius and set up this next seg. I'm going to second to the seg, Greg. And let's lay out some realistic trade options for Antonio Brown because the Steelers, I imagine, are actively going to shop their star wide receiver. Or maybe they're not. But we're going to throw out some realistic potential options. Greg, I want you to get us going. Oh, wow. I'm going to start. And first of all, I really enjoy that he just decided to announce his goodbye with like a video that the Steelers have no idea about.

It's just like, that could be like a new way to just like quit your job. I'm sure they saw that. It was just like, what? That's not up to you. Why do you keep destroying your value by giving us no choice but to trade you? Getting an off-field incident, showing up to Radio Row making quite an impression on some people that you might not be sober. Like, there was a lot, there's been a lot going on to scare teams away. You got it all wrong.

He's playing chess. You're playing checkers, bro. I guess. He's trying to ruin his values, so wherever team he goes doesn't have to give up a lot to get him. He's over leveraged. He's over leveraged. He either has to admit he's been wrong all along or to fight his way out of Pittsburgh. I feel like Pittsburgh might just not trade him.

I'm not even totally giving up on this. Oh, I wouldn't doubt that. Right. I mean, but I'm going to start with the Eagles. Now, the Eagles have a lot of cap issues, but they figure out how to be flexed. The Steelers would love to trade him in-state. People got to calm down. Ooh, I'm not going to trade them to, like, the Browns or the Ray.

Yeah, we've heard owners say that that's absolutely a factor. Well, they're not going to trade them inside the AFC. Then keep them on your team if you're so afraid of the big, bad other teams. Ooh, your state. Give me a break. Yeah. Greg, show no respect for borders. There's like six hours away anyway.

CBS Sports reported that the Steelers would not want to trade them to the Pats or the Browns, Bengals, or Ravens. Ravens. I was thinking what team could have kind of a culture that they would feel confident enough that they could take on his personality and a need and flexibility to figure it out. Nelson Aguilar on the hook for his fifth year option, $9.3 million next year, no dead money whatsoever.

Bye-bye. Ouch. Antonio Brown, come on over only for about, what, $6, $7 million more, and we just got a lot better, Pittsburgh. That feels like a front office that would be open to that. $12 million he's on the hook for. It's kind of a sneaky thing that his contract is great

because you don't have to give him any signing bonus. All you got to do is pay him $12 million next year, $11 the year. No, no. That's great. You got to be aware. Any team that trades from us to realize that he's going to demand an extension. Not right away. You're right.

You're right. You're worked after one year anyway. After one year. And then you're going to trade him a year later. That's fine. That's who we're dealing with here. That's fine. Thoughts on this move.

Like I said, I think this is a front office that still believes they are very much in a Super Bowl window. There is a need at wide receiver, and I could see them pulling off a deal to make this work. But my other thing is that Pittsburgh keeping him is, to me, the leader in the clubhouse. Wow. Interesting.

I don't disagree with either of you guys. I mean, I sense that the Steelers might be like, okay, we won't trade them in the state, but... Are you sitting out the rest of the segment, Mark, then? Not at all. I have an idea, too, of a place to go, but, Wes, continue. Denver Broncos. Joe Flacko's newest toy

Oh, what a nightmare that would be Their receivers coach, Zach Azani Was Antonio Brown's receivers coach in college They also have Mike Munchak Their new O-Line coach Who was in Pittsburgh There's some connections there

And I think, I mean, Elway's move for Flacco tells me he still thinks he has a contender If things break right I'm not sure Antonio Brown remembers college And Ian Arga Insider Did mention the Broncos as one of the teams that would be willing to maybe take a run on it. He said they were plot.

This was about a month ago, but he said they thought they'd give up a draft pick for him. So you might be on to something. What kind of, what would they give up? Did you say? I don't know. I don't know what Antonio Brown's value is. I really don't.

You guys, I wouldn't assume that it's your first round pick. I don't think anybody's giving up the first round pick. Which is crazy. It's crazy. You say that, but you also famously don't think character matters and not showing up for the biggest game of the year. No, I think that really matters. I seriously don't think character.

No, you don't. You said you would surround your team with jerks and idiots and clowns and dirtbag. It's a case-by-case basis. Brown's off-season is concerning because he's not in his right mind. He's fighting. That matters. So I think that does hurt his trade value. And it would make me concerned.

What about? I would be missing, by the way, when you say that. Okay. He threw something, you know, he's getting sued because he threw something off the porch and almost hit a kid. there's been some other these are bad things assault allegate stuff like that

there's some concerns about his state of mind in general I mean he's almost hitting for the cycle when it comes to offseason like when he showed up I think the fact when he showed up to Radio Row I think that maybe got around a little bit that he just didn't he had some very strange interviews and I think

teams are just like what's up with this guy he basically is kind of freaking out at the end of last season he set out the last I mean it's problematic I know it's all big Ben I heard that on Twitter. It's all Big Ben's fault. I need to plug in on this Radio Row thing. I totally missed it.

The blonde mustache, that's a red flag. Working hard on Radio Row. What was going on? So he showed, people thought he was drunk? Watch some of his interviews. I can't wait. He just kind of, he didn't see him in his right mind. I wouldn't say drunk.

Ricky, for a news drop for tomorrow show, for Friday show. Let's find an Antonio Brown interview. That was saucy. You got it. So it's not alcohol. He was under the influence. I don't know. I don't even want to.

We're not. alleging anything but he just doesn't seem that you are i mean it doesn't seem like he's of in a good frame of mind your public on a very popular NFL podcast you are putting a spotlight on people that are alleging it so essentially you are as well you're implicating i'll accept that argument there are whispers whispers out there i'll throw one out there how about the packers oh here we go well listen let me tell you something let me back to the nancy title game with green bay let me let me explain why because um Aaron rogers They're coming off, obviously, back-to-back, very disappointing seasons.

Aaron Rogers got, he got some heat for the first time ever last year for his play, which he deserved. Mike McCarthy got even more heat, obviously, which he deserved as well. He got shipped out of town. But the one thing that kind of went under the radar, I thought, was how shoddy his supporting staff was at the wide receiver position. Devante Adams is an all-pro. He's a star. Okay, but it should need more than that. Jimmy Graham, right now they're saying they're keeping them around, but.

Jimmy Graham is not Jimmy Graham anymore. Randall Cobb is in deep decline. That kind of surprised me how that worked out. They have some other receivers that you could say are promising, but did not make the leap when they were needed last year. So why don't you, and Aaron Rogers 36, it's time to make a move. It's now or never. Go give him Antonio Brown and line up Devante Adams across from him.

And let's see if this old dog can hunt. Let's see if Aaron Rogers can go nuts and throw for 48. 800 yards and 42 touchdowns. If he's as great as he is, and we've heard, and it's been said in this podcast, that he's arguably the greatest pure quarterback ever, well, before his prime is up, let's give him one of the most productive players ever to throw to.

And what would it cost? All right. Yeah, I mean, maybe Antonio Brown's nuts. And that's going to hurt his value. But I still think he would command a first round pick. So I'm going to say a first rounder. Plus, let's get Jimmy Graham out of the building. do some bookkeeping for us

because Antonio Brown's going to cost a lot down the line potentially. So Jimmy Graham and a first. Oh, they're trading Jimmy Graham? Get him out of the building. They're just cutting him. No, they're going to trade him, salary dump. And the Steelers, I know they have some tight ends they like,

but they're going to give it a shot. It's part of the deal. They want a first rounder. They want a safe face and least big. We have this name brand and a first rounder coming to us. Don't be mad fans. And you get Antonio Brown in a sixth. I mean, you would be pairing the most extra wide receiver and quarterback together.

It feels like a trade, a dream trade for NFL network. It's automatically months of programming just ticketed to leave every single. But it's not a fantasy trade. It's not. It works. The grand part, they need the money. The grand part, forget about that. But I don't think that it's an absurd idea.

I don't know if I trust Green Bay's front office to be that aggressive and pull that off. It's different front office than the old days. Yep. I didn't like to see Antonio Brown and George. join the Green Bay Nightlife. Right. That wouldn't be a bad thing for him either. Brett Farv, get him out of Atlanta.

Yeah. I think Antonio Brown is a great person to go after, despite all of this. Like, even though. No, but here's the thing. I really do believe that you're going to get like that Tio honeymoon year out of Antonio Brown this year. Like, you can't discount A, that he was playing great last year. Even though he wasn't quite at his level, he's still an incredible player, incredibly

prideful player. and I think he's going to want to prove to everyone in a new spot for at least a year that he's still the man. And so I think it's a little like Randy Moss, you know, when he went to the Patriots of like getting... He's not that far off, though. Yes, he is. He's really not.

He can point to the numbers, but the effect he has on defense is not nearly the effect that Randy Moss. But he's one of the great receivers of his generation. There's just no doubt about that. I have one for you. And it's the argument against it before I put the argument for is that, that the team is not at the Super Bowl doorstep. But I think there's some pressure on the front office to make a move,

and I think it's the 49ers. There's already been this Hubbilloo where he wants to play in San Francisco. They've got the cap room, no question about it. And you have in Kyle Shanahan, arguably one of the best coaches around, but the pairing of him and John Lynch have won 10 games and two seasons. You need to make some sort of a move that goes beyond the slow, you know, methodical team-building scenario. They've been active in free agency, and you'd pair them with Jimmy G.

And I think that would be a fresh start. He's out of the AFC for the Steelers. I don't know what the cost would be because they sit there with that number two pick in the draft. Maybe a second rounder. Top of the second. People love those. Top of the second. People love those tops.

Future 20, 4th or third or something. Yeah. That could get it done potential. Do it. I love it. Wouldn't they be considered the favorites at this point? Well, I mean, they've got, there's nothing that would really, it wouldn't be hard for them to pull it off if the Steelers were open to it.

And I don't think the Steelers care about sending Antonio Brown where he wants at all. But he's expressed interest where he wouldn't be difficult about it. I think it's a big, as you alluded to, put up or shut up here for everyone involved. Shanahan, you can give a pass because it's just been a choppy start with what's been around him. But certainly the GM, who is a football, full player turned athletes. that turned into a GM randomly. He needs to have some... Not randomly.

It was pretty random. I mean, come on. All of a sudden he got that job. But they need to show some real progress. They got a win. He just like saw a help wanted sign at the 49ers. He's like wandering while he was there. He's like, oh, wow.

It's like when you're looking for an apartment and you're just wandering around Manhattan and all the scene, you see an open house. Like, oh, I can avoid the broker's fee. And you wander in. You get the apartment. You luck out. I think that's what happened, John Lynch.

But anyway, I think if they don't win, like, eight games at least, he's going to get shipped out of town. Shanahan will be on the hot seat. They need to make a move this year. Hopefully Jimmy G stays healthy. And they're not afraid to be aggressive, as Mark alluded to. They've spent a lot of money in free agency. And a lot of the money that they spend in free agency is being flushed out because it didn't work out this year.

You know, there's a little tease for the cuts list there. I mean, half the guys that Lynch has signed are gone. Anybody else have one? I'll just throw it out there because the big fish. Shev and Silver brought it up on Twitter, and there is logic to it, even though we heard about this, and consider the source with the no-fly list for the Steelers, but the Patriots have a real need. The Steelers will never do that, right? I agree, but they would have to pay a major premium.

But what if the Patriots, because what else do they have to prove? Now they're just, they have FU money, and they're like, there's nothing at this point that, why not just try to get Brown in here and set some records and try to go, 19 and 0 again. What if you gave up two first round picks? What? For Antonio Brown. Who says no?

I have the Patriots say no. As much as it would be fun and as much as I'm mildly concerned right now that the number two receiver for the Patriots under contract next year is Braxton Barrios. Yeah, but their first round pick is the second round pick essentially. The Patriots. So they need like four receivers and they need one or two starters. but there's no, I just don't think that the Steelers would ever do it. What about you if you were the gym?

No, I wouldn't ever. Because who cares, after Tom Brady finally retires, who cares who cares to the Patriots go underground for 10 years? You don't want to go, I don't want them to just go. That's part of your legacy. Yeah, I don't want them. If you leave a train race. I don't want them to go against what they have built and done. What about you, Ricky?

You want Antonio Brown? I'd take them. I would take them for a second round pick, not for two. Second round pick. No, you got to pay a premium to get them out of his Pittsburgh. I'll give you one first. I'll give you one. Well, we're not going to do that deal.

What about your Jets? I'll give you a first and you have to take Chris Hogan on your team. I know he's a free agent, but you have to agree to sign Chris Hogan. That's part of the deal. I think Levi-on-Bell is going to end up on the Jets, but do not go near Antonio Brown. All right. Good Seg. Let's Seg to the next Seg.

Bro. Big names. Get cut. Greg, I know you're working on this. Greg has a whole, like, outline. I've noticed this, Greg. We've worked together long enough now. Once we hit off season, if you look at Greg's calendar of events,

he has like locked and loaded 10 different columns that take him basically from early February until about, I don't know, June or so. And you just roll one after and another. There's some variations, but yes. And they do well and they promote them well. And Greg says, hey, if it ain't broke, roll it out again. It's like this little preamble. We did this last year, I believe.

This is the Greg Rosenthal brand. This is the brand. If you ever try to get on Greg's corner, he'll literally bite you. That's not true. Bring it on. If you want to try to write something like this, like it would be, you know it would be amazing. Mark, if you go through Greg's archive and see whatever is the next one,

and then you go to Ali and then write it out from under Greg's feet and just see how Greg react. You'd find my body lifeless and with the blood drained out along the 10 highway. Black dolly. It's like that stuff. Anyway, Greg, so is it up on the site or it's coming? The AFC version is up and the NFC will be up on Thursday. That's the other trick is you break it down by conference. It's a double column.

It's too long otherwise. Too long. I like to get into the nitty gritty. Anyway, so yes, the big names that could be cut. So let's start with the AFC. Why not? Greg, why don't you throw a name out there? Let's discuss.

I like doing this just as an exercise for like free agency prep, which is I really do enjoy free agency. and because some names come up that you wouldn't have thought about and Justin Houston was the name that surprised me the most that in Kansas City I think it's almost the expectation

that Justin Houston is going to get caught. Even though he's playing at a high level a $20 million cap hit, they're changing to a 4-3 defense. We didn't really talk about them hiring Steve Spagnolo but that's a pretty big sea change. And when you listen to their GM, Brett Veach,

talk about how all their players are going to fit, it was pretty notable how they've already committed to D. Ford is going to be back. Whether it's a franchise tag or a contract, he's back. They mentioned Derek Nandi as here's where he's going to start. They kept seeing start. Chris Jones, this is how he fits. And then when they asked about Houston,

they just were like, oh, yeah, Houston's done a lot of great things for us. And so that's a guy that is interesting to me because I think he'll be in our top 10 West. Wouldn't you think in our top 10 free agents when he's available? No, he will not be in my time. Once all the guys get tagged, he'd be in the top 20 at the videos. I have a big gap around 12, 13, and I think he'd slide in there. But he's old to be in the top 10.

He's not quite as old as you think, though. How old is he? It ought to be about 30, right? Yeah. You know, he got some years left at 30. He's going to get paid. He's a guy. He just turned 30 in January, and I think there's a good chance he gets cut.

You don't have Eric Barry as a cut candidate? He's another one, certainly you could throw on there as well. I think Chiefs fans, as much as they adore Eric Barry, think that he hasn't given them anything since he signed a six-year, $78 million contract. That's like a complicated one with injuries and everything, and I think they would maybe try to rework his contract, but you're absolutely right. He is another one that could get cut from the Chiefs.

Throw another one out there, Greg. I mean, you guys can throw any. I noticed that you appropriately packaged a bunch of dolphins together, and I feel like that team. I liked your tone there. You're dumping Ryan Tannahill, DeVante Parker, Robert Quinn, Erica's future husband, potentially, Danny Amandola, who's going to need some financial support after, if this comes true?

I would not ever... I mean, he made $6 million last. He's not... Well, right, he's doing it. Isn't he the one with the modeling contract? Yeah. No, he's the one that cheats on models. No, she cheats.

They're back together, they're back together. What's up with that? They forgave each other. Yeah, they both cheated, so then... Didn't she, like, sell his Rolex or something that she'd... You know what? I don't care. It's going to work out in the long run.

I don't. Wait, how annoyed are you that he's back together with this? It was annoying because we were totally flirting on Radio Row, and then she's, like, Instagram storying around Atlanta. I was like, oh. That was her flexing on you a little bit. I know. She literally, she tagged me.

It was crazy. That list is a reminder that, like, the dolphins have made basically every different type of personnel mistake you can possibly make. Like, Andre Branch, here's a guy that was on our team that we signed for, re-signed for way too much money because he had a contract here. Tannehill, we should not have given him that contract last year. Parker is a first-round bust that we sort of stuck around with too long. Who else was on that list? I mean, Robert Quinn was a guy they traded for,

which everyone knew that wasn't going to work. It ended up not working. And, like, they've made every type of mistake. It's crazy how they've won between six and eight games in nine of ten seasons. I mean, that's hard to do. Let me ask you a question. Devonte Parker, they picked up his fifth-year option. Can they just drop it now?

Yeah, that's like I almost could have made that. different category of like these fifth year option guys that are on the books for a lot of money. Kevin Johnson, the cornerback of the Texans is another one that comes to mind. Yes, they can just cut him. As long as he's not hurt. I think somebody's going to pay for him. I wouldn't doubt it. I mean, not that much of money. We will see. Not nine million dollars. Throw out a name that really interests you as someone that would command a saucy market. I saw this. After the season, there was some talk about certain Ravens players, and Michael Crabtree did not surprise me. Jimmy Smith surprised me.

little bit, but there were whispers that Eric Weddle could be gone, and Greg's got him on his list. He got a lot of talk for Pro Bowl and played at a pretty high level last year, but he is, what, going on 33, going on 34 maybe? He's like a vocal leader on that team, an important guy in that locker room, too, right? He's hearing it too, because he said at the end of the season, I'll either retire or play for the Ravens. I don't want to play for anyone else. And then a week or two later, he kind of was like, well, maybe I would play for someone else. Which makes it sound like... It's like Bruce Ariens approach to careerism.

Well, they're probably trying to reduce his contract. But yeah... They've got a lot of defensive backs. When you look at the Ravens roster, I was thinking about who said that they could fall through the floor last episode? Was that Wes or Dan? Wasn't one of you or no? May have been Sheck?

I don't know. Maybe it was... I remember it being said. Maybe it was Sheck then. Great point. It was me. They have so many questions and so many players they're going to cut. They have a lot of issues.

I feel like on their roster. Mark, oh, go ahead. Well, including all those guys that West just said is going to cut. What about your boy, Jamie Collins? He seems like a relic from a dark period in the franchise when they had to overpay to bring in stars. He's never quite broken through. Would you be all right if they decided to cut the cord?

I'd be surprised if he's on the team. I mean, there have been whispers, as you noted in your piece, Craig, that Jamie Collins is someone that's been called out various Sundays by viewers and others for his effort level. But also, you're right, he was a Sashi Brown, you know, sort of buy low, but pay him way too much money type of guy that has been fine.

But you never got the best of Jamie Collins. You got part B. And so I don't think he's going to be there. There's some pretty, like, big money defensive guys that at least the local writers thing might get cut. Gerald McCoy for the bucks. Really surprised. Someone will pay him.

I'm kind of shy. really surprised by that he's just injured a lot yeah but he's great when he played he played really well last year and then olivier vernon who hasn't really lived up to the contract that the giants gave him a few years came on strong at the end of last year right and hasn't really been healthy but you would think would have a big market and then sean lee for the cowboys and that's i don't think he would necessarily have a big market but it would it would be very cowboys to just like keep him around for another year at 10 million dollars but that just seems insane What about any shots on the Cowboys in their business model? But they're a competitive team in this league.

They're doing a nice job. They're fine. Business model. No more drive-by shots about the Cowboys and who they pay. It just seems to be they're one of your punching bags. I don't think they can afford because they have to pay Lawrence. They have to pay DACC. They have to pay Marie Cooper eventually.

I mean, these guys all need comedy. Yeah, you got to get rid of, Sean, sorry. Anybody else want to throw it out there? I see Charles Clay made your list, Greg. Does he really need to be on this type? Well, there's like kind of a list way at the bottom. Yeah, he's 13. No, no, no.

I'm just like trouble, it says. Yeah, just like a laundry list. He probably could have, he probably could have be put on that. It's all relative. He probably could have been put on one of that. Like your boy, Isaiah Crowell. He did not make the top list. I think it was report that he's done that he's being, they're cutting ties with him.

You should put instead of other players in trouble, other millionaires in trouble. Just to really kind of put it in context. I like that these guys are fine. Everything will be all right. Yeah, how much trouble? are they getting in white collar drama i mean it's got to be devitt it's still pretty devastating to you know get fired not all these guys are set for life is it is it fired in the same well yeah i can't speak to that but it's part of the business they say it all the time everyone on this list pretty much

is going to get a job somewhere else right i mean they're loaded but they probably have so many hangers on types around them and people just draining them of money and funds that they're not as rich as you think sometimes jason peters is someone who should be very rich and will be in the Hall of Fame someday that I think a lot of other teams are watching to see what the Eagles do because I think they're trying to figure out a way to keep him and lower his money

but he's 37 years old, do a ton of money, been injured a lot. Struggle with speed rushers. Right. And if he did become available, I think someone would just pay him like crazy because it's impossible to find tackles.

I just want to say, I hope no one gets cut. I'm Jack the Ripper. All right. Good talk, guys. Check it out. NFL.com slash Rosenthal. All right, before we go, Greg, Mark, here are the options.

If you want to swipe one of Greg's columns, I just went through his archive from last year. All right? Cut candidates. I mean, half done. Missed that one. Yeah. Tag primer. No.

Three agency rollout, you know, like the big list. There's a lot of pub there. No. Well, that's West, too. You got to get on West's corner. Or you can pair with West. No, I don't. No, next option.

Quarterback rankings. Yeah, I'll do that. I did one. I think that was like, hey, you have to do this because some sponsor had bought it. We're not doing that again. I actually, early in Greg's run here, had a quarterback rankings piece,

and it was quickly. So it's something to take back what was yours? Well, I wouldn't say it was mine, but it was also, I don't think that that's an original. No. I came up with that idea of itself. No, I did. Roster reset.

No. How about this one? Projected starters. Wait, I didn't do roster. What is manufactured? joke uh weak spots a fc and nfc it has to be about football oh no i'm not doing that one making the leap get back in definitely not in fact i am happy for gregg and his uh what he's doing here i'm not i'm just trying to help you if you want i don't want they are his so q b rankings

i'm basically doing all the things that you guys didn't want to do anymore and you used to sign them out and now just do it all right qb rankings uh talk to ali about this okay We will be back on Friday with another exciting edition of the Around the NFL podcast. Anything else? Anybody else have something to add before we go? Oh, yeah. One of our great listeners, J.C. Carmichael from Cincinnati had kidney transplant recently. I hope you're doing well, J.C.

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