NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - FLASHPOINT FOCUS (WIP): Carson Wentz with Zak Keefer

Episode Date: February 24, 2022

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal bring you all of the latest news around the NFL, including the Packers future with or without Aaron Rodgers, Troy Aikman's potential broadcasting move, and Trey Lance maybe not being ready as we thought he was. New offseason seg: FLASHPOINT FOCUS/ FLASHPOINT FEATURE/ FLASHPOINT/ FLASH DANCE/ where we do a deep dive on Carson Wentz with the Athletic's Zak Keefer. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's around the NFL, Dan Hansis, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. I hope nobody's roughing you up, Mark, because we'll roll over, strong, and take care of any adversary. I'd almost invite it just to find out what sort of come up and say they would receive from the two of you. I thought it was referring to us, and I was thinking I personally need to change and turn a new leaf in the year 2022 and off season.

Just be kinder and gentler to Mark Sessler. Maybe we have roughed him up too much and I think we should just all get along. Don't I get annoyed at you more than you get annoyed to me? I feel like I need to maybe be a little more ginger with you. There was that season, yeah. The 2016 season

I think it was. It was just like Mark was just banging me over the head pretty much most of the year. Oh, yeah. It all blurs into one. There is therapy that you guys can go to together and work those things. out or right on the mic i prefer that yeah i think that's where it should take place you know happen in our audience i'm not known as a man that uh throws hands but when we were at uh lekisha's a couple

weeks ago uh nick wessling reminded me that uh some guy kind of got up in Colleen's business and tie b and then i got up in that dude's business and then nick rolled over and it was like do we need to uh huh hands and it was like i did that and it's like i'm pretty proud of myself been drinking that night. Well, the guy was gone, so it seemed like he had an appropriate, you know, sort of place there, but it was where it went. That's why he's the best there, Mark. That's kind of stupid.

No rough in the cess lobe. That was mildly dumb. So we're going to go from a two years and counting global pandemic into World War III. So that's the thing that might be happening right now. But the good thing is here on the round the NFL podcast, we'll never stop. We will keep potting no matter what happens in society. If we can make it through the last year, I think we can... We already had our own World War III.

This part feels easy. I'm not saying for everyone involved, but for our simple task, we can plow through. All right. Not for everyone involved. Just I don't want to get, you know, we're good. I'm excited. I know you guys know I'm excited because the Flashpoint Focus series debuts today, Carson Wentz is the subject.

And Zach Kiefer, the athletic will be on the program. So get ready for that. and we'll also now, we haven't done this in a while. You know, we're settling into the cadence of the offseason. We're going to do some news. You want to do some news? Please. Let's do some news, Ricky.

It's going to be a great game. I'm in a really good game. I think there's a lot of people that'd like to be calling that game. But it should be a lot of fun. Troy Aikman, still pissed. I imagine that he was sent to cover the Eagles, Bucks, playoff game instead of going into Dallas to cover Niners, San Francisco, Niners against Dallas. And we'll talk about Troy Aikman in just a moment. But let's start where we must

always start at this time of year now. It's now become a tradition on this podcast. Let's talk Aaron Rogers. We talked on Tuesday about the situation Rogers leaving the cryptic Instagram post telling everybody to read a book. Get off. Get off my porch with that. You didn't like that. I'll read when I want, how I want. I know you're a Jeopardy Champion, but I don't need that. Then he goes on Pat Mac Feed, says nothing about his future. Brian Guttikuntz, the GM, he has his press gathering this week.

Goody. And he hit some questions about Aaron Rogers. This has to be so annoying for Goudicons. Even things don't seem as sour as they were last year. This is still got to be annoying. He was asked what he does, Goody, if Aaron Rogers comes to him seeking a trade. Yeah, those are kind of some hypotheticals. I don't think we're going to go down those roads right now.

And then Goody was also asked, how does Rogers' uncertain situation affect everything else as he tries to build a champion in Green Bay right now? Yeah, I think, you know, obviously, thing around here kind of centers around the quarterback. That's kind of how we do things. So it's a big piece. It's a domino that kind of has to fall before we go down, you know, other avenues.

So it's important, you know, as we go through this and the puzzle pieces that we've got to make fit, I think. So that's the first one to go. That's a big fat no doy, Greg, obviously, because here's the thing. When Rogers, the report comes out last month, he's not going to leave everybody hanging throughout the spring and summer. Well, he can't because there's a team involved here that needs. needs to try to build their roster with free agency upon us. ESPN's Diana Rossini reported that Aaron Rogers will be informing the Packers of his decision soon, and it cannot come a second too soon for me.

The interesting part of that report was that there were multiple offers on the table for Rogers. I thought that was interesting. Does that surprise you, though? That it's already happened. I wonder if they're like these official offers. I mean, is Goudicuntz picking up the phone? is Gudecunz just obsessed with the Monday of next week's announcement, I believe. I think we're hoping to find out what's going to be the German game

because, you know, Goudicunts wants to go back to the homeland in Germany. I just think that's at the center of this. I think he's slow playing this because he's expecting Rogers to come back. But the biggest thing is the contract for Aaron Rogers is that domino. So, yeah, okay, you want to come back? That's part one. The complicated part is what's the deal that? that he's going to get to reduce a $46 million cap number,

which is what he has right now. He's not going to play next year under his current base salary. So they're going to have to move money around. They're going to have to do something similar for Devante Adams, hopefully for them eventually. They've already reduced their cap space this week by $15 million, by restructuring some deals. There's going to be more of that.

He is busy. I think they're going to have to cut Zedareas Smith at some point. There's a lot going on. You get the scrub, by the way. What? The social scrub. Trobe, Trope Alert. Oh, Zadarius, Smith has scrubbed the Packers from his social media.

I'm getting tired of that move at this point. I already am tired. Well, it's a trope for a reason. Great signing. Great free agent signing. Two amazing years and then one total no show. They might be both gone. Preston and then Zadarius.

They could both be gone. And so I just would be stunned if it's anything but Roger's thing. Yeah. I'm with you. I think you just follow the money. Like they're creating cap space. It seems to me that money would solve probably a, a lot with Aaron Rogers at this point.

And the way, he also talked about Goody, that communication's been very good. I think the Packers in general, front office, has done a nice job of kind of lowering the chaos level. You can only do so much with Aaron Rogers because he's spouting off weekly about tangential scenarios. But like from the Packer's side, they've kind of tempered this. They are in control to some degree. I mean, they are in control. Like you can have trade offers, but it's like you get a mountain back form.

I don't think there's any interest to trade them. I would assume Denver's one of those teams because I think Hackett's probably first order of business was to call up his old friends in Green Bay and say, let's at least discuss this. It's like let him think he's in control when he's not. Isn't that what you do with man-children or problem individuals? Just let them think that they're running the show.

The producers at this network for like that higher level talent, you've got to massage that relationship. Let them feel like they're the ones in control when really it's... I'm treated that way. I've thought we handle you, I think. think definitely. And I think that's the way that the Packers, I don't think Kudakunst and their front office and LaFleur have gotten enough credit. We were saying this last summer, got killed for it, Mark, that Rogers was being petulant and it can be difficult to deal with. But they could have

panicked or reacted off that last summer and made a move and traded them away. But they were able to get that thing calm down enough to get them to camp, to win another MVP. Obviously, things didn't work out in the playoffs, but now I think they've been able to stabilize the situation. Now they've just got to get this thing locked and loaded and then go about their off season. In other news, this one's interesting to me, and it actually makes sense to me when you kind of try to figure out what's going on with the Niners last season where there was so much hype around Trey Lance drafted third overall and the general thought that he was going to be unleashed uh in the kyle shanahan offense and he was going to be a difference maker and then you waited for

him to kind of take over at some point last year and it just never did and jimmy garabolo played the entire season including a playoff win and then they got picked off obviously um in the nfc title game but adam shepter vsbn reported that kyle shanahan and the niners could stick with jimmy g in 2022 uh for multiple reasons here one mark the qb is popular with his teammates they like them And that's true. We heard that a lot. A lot of people barking in the, on social media, you fools don't realize, I'm paraphrasing, look at this man's record, he is a winner, all that stuff. That's, that obviously carries weight in that locker room.

And then also, Sheffter reported that Trey Lantz still has a ways to go in his development as a passer. Shefter said that Lance was probably further behind than people realized. Lance is greener than people realized. Trey Lance is going to need more work than people realized. and they have a roster that can win now. Mark, that sounds to me, now I'm not saying that they think Lance is an issue or it's a mistake that they drafted him, but this is not going to what their initial plan was, and they're trying to maybe figure out a pivot here.

Yeah, Schaefter added that the team is, in quotes, happy with Lance's development. No, they're not. I mean, this is not where you wanted to be at this point with this player. And the move that you made, a Titanic move to get into position to take this guy over Mac Jones, over fill in the blank. and his development never really took form. I mean, we spent most of last offseason, presuming that Jimmy G would just get replaced at some point by Trey Lance

in a Kaepernick over Alex Smith-type style. It never happened. I think that you're right. I think that they, if anything, you're reducing risk because you can't go in with Jordan Love 2.0 and have another Shanahan season swept by the wayside. I mean, Jimmy G, for all his flaws, I think he, you're right.

He is the support of his teammates in almost a surprising fashion for the fact that he also hamstrings the Messiah at times. The coaches believe in him to some degree. They've been real with Jimmy G from A to B. And so I think maybe this is like, let's just run back what happened last year. And I also wonder if maybe people calling up the Niners to trade for Jimmy G. There maybe isn't as much demand there as we would think. Right.

I just think it's leverage. Right. They have no leverage. No one's interested in Jimmy G. Right now necessarily because he's probably not anyone's first option of like what we're going to do this off season. and it's at a spot where everyone knows they're going to trade, so that hurts their leverage. And so they have to throw it out there that we may not.

And I believe it because he's not getting paid that much money. $24 million is not that crazy a base salary. That said, I would be very surprised if he was on the roster. Like him plus Tray Lance's salary is not that much for the quarterback position. The problem is Jimmy G. stunk. Like, that was the worst five or six game stretch of his career. And I know he was injured, but like he was one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. And I know they won despite that and we get caught up in wins and losses.

I don't need to hear about Trey Lance's behind or whatever. I saw him play two games. It's worth noting he had 8.5 yards per attempt, five touchdowns, two interceptions. I thought he made some plays in those two games. It wasn't that bad. And I feel like they're going to play Trey Lance. They're just holding out the possibility that if absolutely no one gives us, up anything for Jimmy G that would you rather keep them than cut them?

I could buy that. I could buy that. Yeah. I see I do see this a little different. I think it is a breadcrumb that they're trying to like recalibrate their situation because Lance might not be ready in year two, which I don't think they ever anticipated. Well, here's the reason why I buy they would keep them is because if you trade them, you save $25 million in cap space.

If you cut them, it's similar, but it's a little less clear. clean. And I just feel like they're going to want to have a second veteran quarterback either way. And so if no one's going to give them up anything, like, okay, I don't buy it, though. I think it's too messy. I hear you. I think it's just playing the Schefter sort of leverage, throw it out there. I mean, that's all in there.

But the thing that you're striving for as an organization is a star quarterback on a rookie deal. And this report is disturbing if you're a Niners fan. You're not thinking this means nothing. It's keeping you up at night to some degree. It does make me wonder if Kyle Shanan in his quiet moments, you know, wishes he had stuck to his guns and taken Mac Jones. Yeah, I think it's fair. There is a, I think this report, and we'll see how it plays out,

is to me another maybe seed of doubt, at least amongst the football cognizante. Yeah. Where's this report coming? I just like, like, I think people forget that week 17 game that left had against Houston. That they maybe made the wrong. How long have you guys been doing the show together? Like how long?

Like, Dan does his pause and then you two just like maybe they're forcefully trying to end the bit. You know what I mean? But it's just like, once it takes off. You're right. From a dramatic pause angle, we did a,

Greg and I did a poor job there, Erica. That was a lot of a casualty, Mark. That could have been a pushback also, even if it was something they didn't think they were doing. I like the bit. I mean, I'm not even calling it a bit. I think it's high drama and it's showmanship. I was in the middle of a sentence.

Sure. But we talk over each other all the time. I understand how that feels sometimes. So you just got to, you know, you got to roll up the punches, Dan. Absolutely, Mark. Mark, how do you get by? How do you survive? It's not, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a lot to endure.

15-yard penalty, rough in the Sessler. All right. Time now for news and notes presented by Upwork, where you could build the team that will build your business. Learn more at Upwork.com. Nailed that read. All right. Now, boys, Troy Aikman, okay? Here's the drama around Troy right now.

Is you going to stay at... Fox? I love that tune. La-de-de-de-dee. Oh, well, see, that next part is where it really takes off. but I understand why you cut it short. Or will Troy Aikman go to Thursday Night Football for Amazon? See, they don't have a song yet, but once they do.

This is a placeholder. That's the Amazon. Oh, okay. You get some water, maybe some waterfall action there. Ah, yeah, good call. Ricky and Post, can we add some waterfall in there? Or does he end up at, and I think he will, Monday Night Football! Ow!

Monday Night Football needs a real analyst, and could it be, Troy? From our boy, Andrew Marchand over at the New York Post, Hall of Famer Troy Aikman is expected to leave Fox Sports to become the main analyst for ESPN's Monday Night Football. The deal will be for five years, according to sources, and its yearly salary is expected to approach or exceed the neighborhood of Tony Romo, 17.5 mil per year deal with CBS. The deal's not signed yet, so things can change. And this is a dramatic little melodrama that's a soap opera, this whole carousel with the analysts, and it's getting even more juicy now as the money gets bigger. But the deal is near completion. ESPN declined comment.

Mark, Aikman's move, he was connected to Amazon a lot. We thought that's where he was going to end up with Al Michaels, who looks like he'll be the voice of Thursday night football. But going to Monday night football, apparently busting up that unit and giving people a reason not to just watch the Manning cast every week, that's a big play by ESPN if that's what goes down. Yeah, I mean, if all these moving parts,

I can't think of a year where like the announcing teams that we've been so accustomed, to drinking in with all these games could shift and change so much, so dramatically, because, you know, we know that Al Michaels was someone that wanted, he's in talks to do TNF. He wanted Aikman to go there as well. It would leave Fox with a major hole next to Joe Buck. Joe Buck is someone that was whispered about in this article as someone that ESPN might try to lower a way to recreate the Akeman Buck team.

So I think, you know, we have to see where the Akeman's the first piece here, but a lot would change. And I, you know, if you're Steve Levy, Lewis, Riddick, and Brian Greasy, you're just the person that's always, they've been looking to upsell from you from point A. Right. And in the article by Marshaun, he mentions how they are going to have so many games because ABC is also adding games and there's Saturdays that they're going to need two teams. That's a nice way to cushion it.

Kind of implying that they'll be the backup team. I just look at like, why is this article out there right now? It says, on the verge, expected to. That just feels like. Well, that's how you get ahead of a story, Rosenthal. You want to be the guy that reports when it's finalized. You want to be the one that lets everyone know? I get it.

Marshaun knows what he's doing. Of course he does. He's doing a great job. My point is it left the window open for Fox Sports to come back in. They clearly weren't paying Aikman what he wanted. All right. I see what you're saying. I'm just saying it.

I don't want to like totally talk about what it all means. And Al Michaels, it sounds like his negotiation, according to Marshaun, at the one yard line. of Amazon. But, you know, sometimes you got a Super Bowl right in front of you. You're at the one-yard line. You throw the – and Malcolm Butler. Hopefully it's not his own one-yard line.

Right. So, who knows? Maybe Al Michaels ends up, as you mentioned, at ESPN. How this all came to be is really fascinating to me. We love this stuff. When Romo got the 17.5 million, Aikman, who is also a Cowboys quarterback, saw all the love that Romo was getting. Right.

His head exploded. He picked up the brain matter. He was like, I was better than him as a player. right i'm sure he's confident in himself as a broadcaster and i'm making way less money than this guy he apparently used that leverage to get a new deal before last year getting to raise up to 13 million dollars and that deal had an out that he could blow it up after just one year and that looks like what he's doing right now and then he's covering a 2021 Eagles playoff game and he's like hell no i am gone he gone he gone but he's really good he got better too i think he's right and started trying harder

and got better in the last two years. I really believe that. We talked about that. He sort of was reaching a new level as maybe Romo was, you know, settling in, you know, taking a little bit of a step back. I think Aikman got the eye or the tiger. I think Aikman to me,

and this might connect to as he got further away from playing, although he hasn't played in 20 years now, but also maybe any aspirations about working in a front office or anything like that. I felt like he was more willing to criticize players and coaches who needed to be criticized in recent years. and I always think that's good. I don't like when you could tell

True Breeze a guy's being gun-shy because he doesn't want to affect relationships. You have to call it like you see him, and I feel like Aikman did that in recent years in a way he hadn't before that. Marshawn doesn't mind like just throwing some mess out there. He'll throw a grenade. He threw out Sean McVeigh as a person they might go after.

He threw out John Lynch, who, oh, by the way, is the GM of the 49ers. Right. He threw him out there. So like, Tom Brady? Are these coming out of nowhere? And Brady, unlike the others, he said, like, there's no indication that he would be interested. But the fact that he said that about Brady and not those other two guys, like, yeah. Do you think some of these players, though, or some of these individuals would rather sign up?

You can't have too many of these because a copycat that goes wrong would be a nightmare, and I never watch it. But more, like, the Manning cast format seems to me to be the future to some degree of how we watch games. I'm not saying it's the only one, but these, like, high-arching. It's like I could see some players saying I would rather do that but not have to do the other thing where maybe you suck at it. Can I share a downside of this? Because I like many other people really grew to enjoy the Manning cast when Anthony Anderson wasn't on the show. And what I, if you actually have Aikman on the main telecast, now I have a decision to make. It's a tough business to see.

And I mean no disrespect to the other guys Levy and the crew. It was not a hard decision before them. I flipped back and forth, partly because my kids hated the Manning cast. They were like, what is the point of this? But I liked back and forth. It was sort of dependent on the game. Even the bigger game, if it's a big game, I'm going Aikman, ultimately.

And I'm doing some flipping because when it was, I want just the Mannings. I don't even need guests. Two guests. Give me second quarter, fourth quarter. When it was just the Manning's, then it was really cool. I would find myself like dreamily falling into the Manning cast, but then like eight minutes of game action was going on

that I wasn't paying attention. to. It's like, wait a minute, we've got to talk about this tomorrow. When, like, Phil Mickelson is drilling down, you know, question 400 at Peyton Manning. Talk about the Manning cast curse for Phil Nicholson. Oh, they did get him. They got Phil, too. Uncle Phil. Finally, oh.

I hope they does move, and I hope they bump up Olson because it just, to me, it upgrades my life. Everyone wins. Aikman is great. And this is not a shot of Marchand because he does excellent work. But I keep seeing, in his articles, elsewhere. And this is especially important because Fox says two of the next three Super Bowls, trust me, they're going to be fine if Kevin Burkhart and Greg Olson called the game. They will be fine. It's not like it's a panic to get someone else in there. Those guys are

pros who are bros. That was News and NOS presented by Upwork. Around the NFL guest, Kevin Burkart. Yeah. I love Burkhart. The world's work marketplace. Learn more at Upwork.com. Finally in the news. That was the interview. I love Burkhard also and could not wait to speak with him. And my mic was not on. And like we were on, it was our television show.

Do you remember that? And I, and like it was one of the, it's just like at that point, just, you know, a bomb land on my house, please. That was a very clear instance of. I think I was being shut out. Ruffing the Sessler. Personal foul. Ruffing the Sessler. Yeah, well, yes.

Hey, how about like, let's get Kevin Harlan in there with Aikman. We don't need to go try to get Joe Buck. Harlan, Aikman, who's not loving that? I mean, Westwood One will survive as well. They will find something. That man was doing the All-Star game one week after doing the Super Bowl. Who has that sort of versatility at that level? The guy is drunk.

The guy is drunk. Finally in the news, Tom Brady has quote-unquote retired. Well, he's got a year to kill before he comes back into the league. And while he has that time, he is going to play himself in a movie titled 80 for, give me that Fox sound again. Because we're talking show business now. 84 Brady, a football-themed road trip flick set to begin production this spring according to the Hollywood reporter

Brady will produce the film Hollywood parlance that is he's the money man He's doing zero, right He's putting in some money, right He's fronted it, he'll get some back end He owns the film as well He's got the IP that's nice, it will star Listen to this cast of All-Star Legends

Lily Tomlin Jane Fonda Well some people don't like Jane They don't like some of the things that she did in her past But good performer Great performer Barbarrelle Rita Moreno

And Sally Field Who's your favorite of that group It's one of the weirdest Couple minutes on the show ever Tomlin I guess I don't know Field I got to go field I like

I'm just looking forward to this I think people forget. Rita Moreno was, she's 90 years old. She was in singing in the rain and the king. Unbelievable. Here's the plot. Greg, you tell me if you'll go see this movie. Four women who travel to see Brady play in Super Bowl to 51.

That's a game, of course, against the Falcons, the fifth title. March 2020, Brady launched 199 productions. We get it. You were the 199 pick in the draft enough. Which will help make the film along with Paramount Pictures and Endeavor Content, not Fox, but that's, you know, that's neither here nor there. Are you going to see that movie? I love a road trip movie.

I mean, it's like an older version of that Britney Spears movie. Crossroads. Crossroads. Much older. What a classic. A.k.a. Erica Tamposi's favorite film of all time. Yeah. My brother, my dad were at that game, so that, you know, it's a lot of good memory.

He's a great actor. You said your brother and dad were at the crossroads for me. Maybe they can get into it. Brady was so good on. In Stuck on You, the Farrely Brothers movie starring... That is not one of the better Farrely Brothers. Greg Kinnear, him and lawyer Malloy. We're on it together.

I'm just looking forward to see how he grows as an actor. Is that the movie where Jack Black fell in love with Gwyneth Paltrow in a fat suit? No. No, absolutely not. And that's a totally different movie. That's shallow hell, right? Shallow Hal. Stuck on you is about Siamese twins, was it?

Yeah, you could make movies like that in 2003. What a Lane. and the Farley brothers were in. Different times, different times, my friends. I will see this in the theater, probably on its opening week. Brady hosted Saturday Night Live. I used that as the gauge. Like, Peyton was very good on Saturday Night Live.

Michael Phelps was brutal on Saturday Night Live. Eli was fine. Jeter was fine. Like, these guys are... Oh, Eli was a lot better than Jeter. Eli was solid. All right, Jeter wasn't great. It's a great ball player, though.

But Brady was not good at all. Jordan was bad as hell. Jordan was brutal. Most of them are. Joe Montana had one great sketch where he was going upstairs to do something and if fans of the S&L know what that is. Will Brady recreate the same hair he had back then?

I mean, I know he seems to have a different hairstyle. He's got many wigs, so. Sure. Well, he could do a Stanislavski class here. There's a lot of chant time for him to craft the acting skills. All right. That's what's happening in the news and we'll take a break here.

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and who better to help us help guide us through this maze in the Hoosier State than a legend. He is a dad to two awesome little girls he covers the cults in the NFL for the athletic he's an analyst for Wish TV an adjunct professor for Indiana University

and he also wrote a beautiful piece on Chris Wessel for The Athletic. Of course, we're talking about Zach Kiefer, who knows what's going on with the Colts. What's up, buddy? What a dramatic intro? I don't know if I can love to all that that you just described.

Well, it's all there in the Twitter bio, Zach, and we thank you for joining us, and you are a professor, and you do look professorial right now, and I think we all applaud you for that as well. You have levels. I try to play the role on Thursdays during the spread, I've had to stop class a couple times when news happens and say, hey, you guys give me five minutes.

I've got to text somebody to get this news out. But, hey, it's a good lesson in how the business works, right? It's been rap sheets move for a while. He basically has given up on, you know, being polite or really human communication because he can just stop any conversation in the middle of it. He's done that to me. Yeah, that's pretty much. There's actually no one texting him. That's just what he does.

Zach, let's get into it because, yes, they. we're all trying to figure out like everyone else what the cults are going to do at the quarterback position and you wrote a really good piece on the athletic about this. You talked about it on your podcast. In fact, I have the exact wording from Zach and if he leaves nothing, you know,

these journal types, they're very pointed in the words they choose. It's my firm expectation based on recent conversations that the Colts will move on from Carson Wentz. And, Zach, that's three years and $82 million left on the deal. He signed with the Eagles in 2019, but only one year of guaranteed money. I'll start here. There have been so many breadcrumbs about moving on from Wents. But how do you actually do that?

Do you think there's a trade market for Wents? And if they do shake free of this commitment, where do they go from here? Yeah, I probably should have couched that by saying never say never, but he's moving on. He's not coming back. That's my, like I said, like I wrote my firm expectations. He will not be back for a second year. And to be clear, they're going to own $15 million, and that's not even the deciding factor here.

That's something that they're just going to have to live with. They're going to move on from him. Trademark it, I'm really fascinated to see because there's a lot of teams that need quarterbacks. And when you stack up Wentz's numbers and production last year, which wasn't horrible against a lot of these guys, it compares favorably well. And I think a lot of you,

your audience probably looks at 27 touchdowns and seven interceptions and says he was pretty good. And there were stretches last year when he was pretty good. But for those who watched the tape, you see the problems that arose. You know, they had to become a run first offense with Jonathan Taylor because they didn't trust the quarterback. He cost them late in a lot of games. They were two and five in one score games. The quarterback had a lot to do with that.

And I've even gotten to Las Vegas in Jacksonville when he absolutely just melted down. They cost away a 97% chance at the playoffs. it just ended disastrously. And I'm very, very convinced that they're moving on. It's just going to happen, whether they can find a trade partner or not. And if not, they'll just cut them before March 19th when that extra $13 million is due. Wow. Well, I think, too, they could get a late-round pick firm or something that makes the money go a little bit easier.

Is it just an emotional thing? It feels like it's Ursa, from the outside, because there's different sources. And there's an ESPN report. You've been writing about it really last month and a half. And it feels kind of like the boss just wants him gone. And if it wasn't for Erse, do you feel like Reich and Chris Ballard would maybe be as aggressive getting rid of him without even knowing kind of what's behind door number two and who they could get back? Yeah, that's a good question, and that's fair. I understand the emotion that comes after Jacksonville.

I'm sure you guys talked about it. I mean, this was in Ersay's words, I talked to him about eight or nine days after the season ended. And he said, this was an epic shortfall that stunned and shocked and appalled as all. I mean, when you hear an NFL owner say that, they were road favorites by 14, the biggest spread they've ever had in NFL history. And they're in their history. Rest of the team stuck that day, too, by the way. It's worth throwing out there.

Yeah. Yeah. And I've written that they need more at receiver than Michael Pittman Jr. They don't have anything at tied end. It's not all on Carson. It's not. But after this season, this was very telling. A year ago, they said,

we want Philip Rivers back. He retired. This time around, both Chris Ballard and Frank Reich, and Chris can't help himself. He tells you what he thinks most of the time. He said, you've got to make the layups Carson, which is code for, dude, just take the checkdowns. And then secondly, neither of them committed to bringing him back and said, we're going to look at all our options. They're looking at their options and they're not great right now. That's my question with Chris Ballard. I mean, we just are coming out of a period last off season where the Rams swung for the fences.

they don't care about first-round picks. They'll mortgage the future for Matthew Stafford. The read on Chris Ballard, I mean, they don't have a first-round pick. Where do you go? Are you going to try to sell to Colts fans that Teddy Bridgewater is the right move at this point? Or some sort of the free agent class is a mess? What do you see them doing? Are they a candidate to maybe try to get a Russell Wilson or someone like that? Or is it just finding another mid-tier quarterback because the distaste with Carson Wentz is so intense? Isn't that telling? They don't have a good thing. plan B. They don't have, there's no like obvious answer. They have some money, but they don't

have a first round pick because of the Wynst trade. There's no obvious answer. And they're still going to move on from Carson Wins. That tells you how they feel about him in my opinion. That's my takeaway. And Mark, I mean, what, what's the play? You can't sell Teddy Bridgewater. I mean, you could make the case that Carson Wins is a better option. And I know there's flaws with both, but the reality is, and I wrote this, this team might need to accept the fact that they go backwards at quarterback in 2022. And it's a really interesting dilemma because you've got guys like Quentin Nelson and Darius Leonard.

I mean, they had seven pro bowlers last year. That's the most in the league. And then they make the playoffs. And it's funny because for all those years with Andrew Luck, it was they had a quarterback and not a whole lot around him. Now they have so many good pieces. Objectively, this is a pretty good roster. They've got some holes to fill, but this is a pretty good roster.

But they don't have the one thing you need. And I wonder how Chris Ballard's mindset has possibly changed after the playoffs. right because they don't have a quarterback you got to throw in this league they don't wide wide receiver weapons and the rams went out and spent all that money and it paid off and the Colts have been the opposite of that I wonder if their approach changes but they're not going anywhere until they figured this quarterback situation out and this year will be frank Greg's fifth season it's his fifth different starting quarterback that's absurd well that's crazy another stat is their ninth and offense in that span with five to four different quarterbacks

two of them aren't good right and ultimately yeah it's the list is Tolzine, Luck, Brissette, Rivers, Wentz. And ultimately, they backed themselves in a corner, didn't they, Zach? Because when you give up first and third picks to the Eagles, you inherit Wentz, you inherit his contract. And I wouldn't say, like you're pointing out, 27 touchdowns, seven interceptions. You know, going into, say, week 16, they felt like one of the best teams in the league to me. And yet, there's a decision when the owner's firing off 2 a.m. tweets about we need to be better and we have to score more points and all the stuff. The writing seemed to be on the wall. But yeah, there doesn't seem to be a clear

path. That's a problem. Then I looked at something you wrote when you look back on Chris Ballard what he had to say last off season. And he said, it is not an exact science regarding drafting quarterbacks. Everyone thinks you just take one and you're going to fix the problem. Look, taking one will get y'all off my ass for a little bit, the journalist from media. But the second, that guy doesn't play well, I'm going to be the first one, not run out of the building. So if Wence is going to be kicked out the door and you don't have a first round pick and the free agent and trade market

is not overly appetizing yeah, I don't see how they don't take a step back and maybe Ballard's starting to get nervous now because he's like, man, this is going to come back on me if we go seven and ten next year. You know what tweets I'm getting? I'm getting tweets people saying, well, let's just take Mike White. Let's just take a flyer on that guy.

Or let's start Sam Ellinger. And I love Sam Ellinger. He's a great kid, but like, that's not an NFL. starter, in my opinion, based on what I saw at training camp. I mean, the shame of it is this team is ready to win. And I don't know what win necessarily means. I think they could compete, certainly for the AFC South Crown and maybe make a run in the playoffs if they had the right quarterback, but they've been in this hamster wheel for five years. And I don't see it ending this offseason. They might just have to eat this season. They might just have to suck it up and take their losses and try to go after a

better quarterback class next year in the draft, a better free agent class next year. and then and just see where they're at. But is Frank Wright here next year? Is Chris Ballard here next year? I can't tell you that, but I will tell you this. I don't expect this to happen, but if Russell Wilson somehow becomes available, if Aaron Rogers somehow becomes available,

first they would swing for the fences in the second. He absolutely would. He would do whatever he could. And they've got the cap space to do it. They've got the roster to be inviting. And I think they've actually got the internal discipline that you wouldn't hear that much about them until they actually got them.

You know, it doesn't surprise me that they're not in the mix when you're hearing these different rumors this offseason because I think they keep it pretty close to the vest and that's to their credit. I think it makes sense. When you know you don't have the guy, you've got to move on, you've got to just keep trying because I don't think it's a step back for whoever they end up with. They'll end up with someone, whether it's Dalton or Teddy or Chibisky or whoever it's going to be Jimmy G. Like, to me, they're all in the same bucket. And actually most of those guys, to me, are more attractive because they're a mediocre that you know who they are week to week. And I think Wentz is a mediocre that was in a perfect situation with the guy that he knows in Reich that you still don't know who he is week to week. To me, that's not that big of a step back.

There's actually a lot of sort of borderline QB1-2s when I do the QB index. Like that 20 to 35 range, those guys are available. One of them will step in. They'll kind of be the same as Carson Wentz in the end. Frank Reich has shown he can coach up those guys. And that's not like the least of my problems. My bigger problem with the Colts right now is that they've got other issues. Like they've got a ton of free agents.

I'm curious what you think their big issue is because their pass rush was not their last year. They've got free agents at wide receiver. They've got two starting offensive linemen that are free agents. Where do you think they're going to be focused other than quarterback? Because I think that's the sneaky issue with the Colts right now is maybe their roster isn't quite as good. for 2022 right now as people think that it was in 2021. Yeah, that's well said, Greg, and I want to get your guys' thoughts on this. Their roster is good, but are they good at the wrong spots?

I mean, how valuable is it to have a left guard? You're going to pay $20 million. Quentin Nelson's awesome, but in a center and you don't have a good left tackle. And Eric Fisher probably comes back with lack of a better option at left tackle. It's so hard to fill these positions, these premium positions without a first round pick. and they haven't had a top 10 pick in 10 years. And this year, they won't have a first rounder for the third time in four years. And it's really hard to address those luxury picks.

And they have the same problems that they did last year. And that's on Chris Ballard. They have a quarterback dilemma, same as they did last year. They have glaring needs at wide receiver. They have glaring needs at tied end. And they don't have a pass rush. And maybe Quitty Peg gets better in year two. And I think he will.

I think he was a pretty good take last year. He was good. In the first round, yeah. Four sacks in his last five. starts. I think you start to see it. They're really high on Deo, the kid out of Vanderbilt, who came up the ACL, didn't play much, but has that look and that feel and that burst that you want to see from a defensive end. So maybe that's fixed. But they have holes to fill at the most, at the priciest positions in the league, the hardest to fill. And they don't have a lot of draft

capital to fill up. It's just not going to be easy. And when you add the quarterback headache on top of it, they're just stuck in mediocrity right now. Right. And when you talk about they, they need help at wide receiver. They need help at tight end. I mean, you're talking about bringing in we're actually saying the name Mitchell Trebisky. It's going to be a long autumn in the winner with the offense that needs help. And you're going to say, we're so

done with Carson Wentz. Maybe if that Jaguars game had happened back in week five and then they closed the season out with two wins, all this emotion wouldn't be bubbling up. You stick with Carson Wentz because he wasn't as awful, I think, as some people are thinking. But instead, you're going to go plug in play a new quarterback. It sounds like a disaster

scenario to me. Well, I I'll just say this. I'll say this. And we'll let you go because we know you need to teach the leaders of tomorrow in mere minutes. But after the Christmas night win over Arizona, and that was the peak of the season. And Wentz has that amazing play where he keeps a play alive and finds the guy with the perfect darting in the back of the end zone. Everything goes to hell. You lose to Vegas.

You lose to Jacksonville. You go home. I'm just curious what you think, Zach, because I know Wentz rubbed some people the wrong. way it seems like behind the seams perhaps maybe you could speak on that and his play was up and down but did it had was there any way that wince wasn't coming back or was coming back if they make the playoffs say and go one and done are they in the same position now if they win a playoff game there's no way they move on right like did it have to play out this way for him to be one and done in indianapolis you know i i thought that was the case and and i thought i remember looking at chris

bowed after wince made that play remember he played terrible in the second third quarters he's miss in high school throws. Then he makes three great throws in the last drive. Hits Patton for the game ceiling touchdown, right? Great moment. They're nine and six. They won a game with a lot of guys out due to COVID. They're the team nobody wants to play in the playoffs, right? And then they ended up being the team that nobody did play in the playoffs.

My thought was they would bring them back and not overreact to Jacksonville, right? It was just an awful day. But this move is not going to be based solely on football. That's my understanding. And I've talked to people in the know, it's just not based on how he played on the field. I just think the Colts are convinced. The top decision makers are convinced that he's not the guy

and they're not willing to run it back and just hope for better. And that's not going to answer your question, Greg, about who's going to step in and make them better, Mark, right? Like Trevisky or whoever it is, maybe it's Jimmy G, but you got to give up draft capital to get Jimmy G, I think, right? So it's not about the next play. It's about the fact that they're just not willing to move forward with this guy.

That's my understanding. And by the end of March, we're going to have an answer. All right, Zach, thank you so much. We're going to be in Indianapolis next week. So I don't know if there's any local haunts that you could point us in the direction or maybe we could toss one back. You just let us know when we're there. Let's do it.

Let's not go to St. Elmo's because that's the cliche that everybody does. I got so many off the beaten path spots that you guys will love. So we'll hit up next week. We might try to get some Wesleyan brothers to drive in. So it could be a whole thing. Maybe some of your students join us. If that's a lot, I don't know if that's, I don't know. Mark, be careful.

You know, Mark always goes down that. Right. It's always, it's always been Mark's dream to be. Young learners, they're a professor that breaks the rules. I should just have you guys teach. I should just have you guys all guest speak in my class. My students would love that. We're expensive.

I got nothing for you. There we go. Zach Kiefer. Thank you very much, buddy. And follow Zach on the athletic and everything he does over there. You know, you had to, Greg. You had to. I know what you're doing.

Right. And I didn't want to, we're in the middle of having a nice conversation with a guest, you're doing that thing again. And I know what's going to happen. Mark and I are going to have to deal with it all through the summer. It's happening. And into the fall, you're going to talk yourself into Teddy as someone's solution. And if he ends up on the cults, for instance, we're going to hear in August and into September, oh, this is actually an upgrade.

They know what they have. Teddy could be the answer. No. Don't do that to us. My point with Teddy and Wentz is like, I think they're telling you what they think of Wentz. And my point is, there are guys all in that same area that you can find. And Teddy's one of them. Teddy actually might be too expensive for them.

I don't think there's a huge difference. I have no appetite for this. My point is. That's two shows in a row where Greg's like, hey, you might be able to get Teddy, but he might be too expensive for you. My point is, there's not, like, people get so caught up in what's a starting quarterback. Carson Wentz isn't. Like, so if you get Tyrod or Jacoby Brissette, there's really not a difference to me.

And I think it just takes like a year or two of Carson Wentz being in that role because he's going to be in that role now that everyone's like, oh, that's the Wentz row. They've got plenty of like mid to low level backups that you can put in there and Frank Reichel coach him up fine and it'll be about the same as Carson. That's my point. It's not going to be a big difference. I wouldn't be worried about like that. And it seems like it's behind the scenes that's an issue a little bit too as leadership and all that stuff. And I think, you know, you brought up that they have some holes to fill at other positions and, you know, everybody does basically. But they're missing.

I counted six starters right now are free agents. That's what they have to do, just like every other team. I'm not as doom and gloom about the team, but I do see the greater issue here is that the way things have shaken out, you whiff, let's face it, you whiffed on the Wendst trade, and now you're in a position where it's going to be very hard to actually upgrade from Wence because he wasn't terrible. He was just inconsistent.

And you're probably going to be right back in the same spot next year, where you went about nine games. And at what point, if you're the. Colts, you say, everything we're doing is not good enough. We need to reboot the machine. I mean, you're the GM, Chris Ballard, who, you know, a season ago, I think was viewed as one of the better GMs in the league and who had done a lot to rebuild the cults. And now you've got a supply and demand issue at the most important position.

And I think you've got an issue where you probably got different people in the building wanting different things. But the big boss wants whence out. And so the GM and the coach have to do it. I would love to know. sounded like Ballard wants him out. Well, I would love to know what Frank Reich did because if you're Frank Wright, you're going to get you're like, you're fifth quarterback in five years, and it's going to be, I'm sorry,

that Wence was, Wence had some terrible games, and I'm not a Wens guy, and I never thought it was going to be a great fit. But you're going to go plug in one of these other ham and eggers that we're going to have to talk about for the next six months. I don't like it. Sometimes with that position, I think how you respond to things not going well is a big part of it. And you just get the feeling reading between the lines of the way that they want someone as a leader to respond to tough moments wasn't there for them. and that the aftermath of how those kind of weeks went. And you heard a lot of this in Philadelphia, too.

They were done with him as well. And you heard a lot of things. He seems to burn people out. For whatever reason, it doesn't seem to, you know, get teammates to believe in him and all that sort of thing. And I'll say this. If you watch their season closely, there were moments. And I'll highlight one week in particular.

It was the week before that Cardinals game when they hung on to beat the Patriots where Wentz through a bad interception that let the New England back into that game. And then the head coach, who's Frank Reich, said, no more. I don't even want this guy throwing the ball for the rest of the game. So I think Reich certainly probably had reservations at the very least with Wentz, if not on the same page as the owner, who, by the way, summoned everyone back to the complex, the night of the Jacksonville loss, which was a road game. And you could just picture it.

I wish there's a biopic that comes out where he goes, no more, no more Carson Wentz. He's just like yelling at all support. At that point, yeah. It was over. He was done. And I really think that Colts fans, and I'm really surprised me. And even some of the media there, they should realize that their coach and GM are a great combo. A very good combo.

Frank Reich is a really good offensive head coach, and Ballard's done a really good job. And I was surprised when they were struggling early in the season, it was like, will Reich and Ballard be back? And I'm like, sometimes it, I know their results haven't been great, but they've been a winning team most of the time. I really think that they are a very good combo and forget about what's behind door number two of a quarterback. I would be worried about what's behind door number two of coach GM. I like those two guys. Even if they took a step back, I think you stay there.

Well, Urse's got to keep a lid on it on that front because I'm with you. Coach GM combo. I mean, they've done a lot with a little. They've been through way. No one signed up for that job knowing you're going to lose Andrew Luck that everyone else is going to melt down. You're going to deal with five different quarterbacks. I mean, I'm with you. Keep them.

Um, Wes was known to say this on our show. It was a Vince Lombardi quote that football is the greatest game in the world, but it has one flaw, that there's a position that is so much more important than everything else, uh, that it could just throw off the balance of things. Like you could have everything set up well from roster to coach to GM. But if you don't have the QB, you're kind of stuck in purgatory. And that's where it feels like the cults are right. I think he actually was referring to interior defender. It wasn't quarterback. It was Interior Defender,

a big sort of BMF that stops the run maybe twice a game. How old would you guess Frank Reich is? 57. Actually, no, 62. I'll figure this out. I'm pretty good at this, actually. Reich, I'm going to say, was around 28 or 29

when they had that great comeback in 93. Time's up. You're out of time. And now it is 30, 29. Yeah, he's about 60. Man, you nailed it on the dot. 60. Ha, ha, ha.

He also has his... He really carries itself, like a much younger man. He's in the Caryl category. But, yeah, I think he... Yeah, right. A younger version of Carroll. But, wow, I had no idea that that man would be 60. Just vital.

Also, former pro athlete. 37 and 28 as a head coach. That's pretty good. What a start to the Flashpoint Focus series. I thought we were going to, you know, workshop a new name potentially. Well, that goes back to Mark. What do we get on social media with this? Anything, any other option?

Nothing else grabbed me. Okay. I did think of one other option. All right. Focus figures. Just using the word that we drop a more. Lose flashpoint. I mean, lose, yeah, the whole, no, I think we stick with it out of stubbornness.

For some reason, I feel like figures, I'm just thinking hidden figures, that movie. That's confusing you. What if it's just, Ricky, here it comes. Flashpoint, colon. Player, X. just tighten it a little bit I kind of like that or even get rid of the player

it's just flashpoint yeah but we need it's time for flash it's time for flashpoint and then you just get into whatever you're talking about maybe like a lightning flash drop flash dance

which was I think that's it Mark just revealed his age once again Flash dance who's not heard of that I'm not saying I watched it I was too young to watch it when it came out

Jennifer Beals I believe with the water pulling the chain I remember the person in it. I don't know, yeah. And what is with you asking our guest to bring co-eds out? I said, like, young journalists who are interested in journalism might want to come along for the ride. They're 18, right?

If it's college. They could be 20, the most of them be probably 22, 23. We can't get into bars necessarily. We've seen Mark on the road. It says much more that you, that both of you gravitate towards that aspect of it. When I was thinking about you, you could work with young students. They just know you. You do not know me. How about that?

Eric, did you have the same thought as us? Well, of course she did. Well, first, I was like, they're 18, but yeah, Greg makes a good point about the legal drinking ancient America. That's why I would restrict it to grad students or students above the age of 21. Isn't your son Luke 18 now?

I mean, you know, we're getting there. No, his daughter is. My, too, yeah, well, that's a whole different story. I could totally see Mark having, like, setting up, like, an internship to learn the business under him. All right, that'll be fun. All right. Don't we have more to get to?

Flash point focus. Anyway, continue to hit up at Mark Sessler. Because we're going to bring the series back. We just now got to figure out who's going to be our flashpoint focus next week. Or hit me up with something of worth. When he said you'd have to give up a pick for Jimmy Gio, I was like, I wonder if they would just like swap problems. Oh, that sounds like a solution for no one.

All right. That is it for the Thursday edition of the Round of the NFL podcast. Reminder, the TV shows back with me, Mark Sessler. Greg went off and hit on a vacation day on a big spot. But we'll miss you. Colleen's going to fill it. I got banged. I mean, that's essentially moving Carson Wentz for a higher property.

I was going to take this whole week off. But then the podcast took last week off. So I never ended up getting either one off. It ended up getting tough sitch. Tough sitch and a big spot. I think I'm going to be, it's going to be an upgrade in my chair. Are you going to? You're going to be up in the mountain skiing.

Are you going to watch the program on Saturday morning at 4 a.m? I don't know if the place I'm staying has NFL Network. I suppose I could look for it on Game Pass, but no, definitely not. Ricky, is there anything else we need to get out there? Oh, we're going to Indianapolis on Monday. Yep, I was just going to remind you of that. Yep, getting on a plane, heading on Indy. We're going to have a bunch of guests.

It's going to be great. It's going to be great. And when I say guess, I mean head coaches, GMs, and we have a new location, as I'm told, that is right where all the action is at the Indianapolis Convention Center. Shows Tuesday and Wednesday, and we might have so many interviews, another one later in the week. At least two shows next week. Yeah, you won't get one Monday, but you'll get one Tuesday, as Greg said, Wednesday, and then potentially Friday. Mark might anchor that one solo.

You'll be getting, you'll get about four minutes from me on Friday off my phone if that's what we're doing. The offseason is here, or is it? All right, we'll be back with the television show on Saturday morning. Set your DVR or don't go to sleep. That's the way to play it. And then we'll see you from Indianapolis next week. Till then, Eid the call. You know,

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