NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Foles’ Future and Potential Hard Knocks Teams

Episode Date: February 15, 2019

A room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Chris Wesseling and Gregg Rosenthal bring you all the latest news around the league including a mutual interest between Nick Foles and the Jaguars, (06:25) the chances of OBJ being traded from the Giants (12:17), and the 2019 kick off potential matchup that doesn’t include the Patriots (17:28). The heroes go through potential Hard Knocks teams for the coming season (22:34) and answer a few mailbag questions (36:47)Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. I just want to bring up something, and I brought it up at the end of our Twitter show earlier this week, but I thought on this platform it should come up again, because I think it deserves to be amplified. We were prepping the show our previous podcast,

and Greg got a text on his phone. You're going back to this? And he looked at it, and it was his wonderful wife, Emeka. who let him know that there was a vagrant on the front stoop of their house and Ebica was alone at home. Greg processed it and said, well, call the police.

Emeca said she didn't want to go down that road. I didn't say that. It's already off the rails. And then the light bulb went off above Greg's head because what I think you realized at that moment, Greg was that she didn't want to call the police because she decided to throw up the bat signal. she was living for a hero

she's got a real man who lives in that house she threw up the bat signal for Greg but I just don't think this is the greatest example Fred Fred's there in the back I don't know if this is the greatest example of me acting like that so

you seem to make it out to be when Greg noticed that the bat signal was out there was no hesitation this was like the opposite I remember after the horrible 9-11 terrorist attacks George W. Bush in the classroom reading my pet goat and he sat there

and he sat there and he sat there and he was not decisive and he thought criticism for that not Greg immediately he rose to his feet he said guys I'll be back I gotta go see about a girl I gotta check him with my old lady

and now you're that's just a movie line and he started walking out of the newsroom and then he got a text and the bum left well that's the thing it would have been a great story if I went back home and did what I intended

which was to ask very nicely for him to leave but yeah he had left oh that would have been a delicious encounter did he leave evidence of his stay there oh quite a bit yes that was my first task when I did arrive home was to bring the kids around the side so they couldn't see the

tons of empty beer cans You've got seven apart. Tons? Like three or four. Some fruit, an open fruit thing container from Vons, some applesauce. Just eating healthy. Multiple women's razors that you would shave your legs with. And then some prepaid visa cards that were unopened.

Like $2. It was a whole thing. And I had to pick, you know. This man's an enigma. It was troubling. But I just want to put it out there that I saw Greg walking out of the news. room when his phone blew up again before he sat down so what did he do i mean the cards didn't even work he walked out of the newsroom and he was on his way to his car to confront this bum this

bum that was threatening his old lady it was a thought i guess if it's a thought that counts yeah you were on your way to i learned something about you right la raveo magnifico yeah in the reverse i learned that greg was not going to rely on law enforcement or just putting his phone down and not looking at it again. He was going to go take care of business. He was going to fight for the honor of his wife. Did she thank you? I hope that, you know, she treated you very well when you came home,

knowing what your intention was going to be. She appreciated me picking up all the stuff. But, no, I think she was more still holding it against me that I moved her to Los Angeles. It's like a five-year-long thing. It's quite a grudge. Do you want to share the one text that she sent? Yeah, she just said last straw. This podcast is almost over.

In its current iteration. All right. Good talk. Good story. Good memories. And good husband. Big show. Friday show.

Love Fridays. T.J.I.F. I made that up. Hard Knox is coming back in August. And I wrote a banger. Hey, the old Zeus wrote a banger. How about that? That's nice.

That you could get on NFTA. NFL.com slash Hansus, taking a look at some of the teams that are Hard Knocks eligible, a.k.a. they can't stop the NFL if they pick them. It's usually how they end up picking the team, which is kind of funny when you think about it. And we'll go through the best options for the 14th season of Hard Knocks. If we have time, we're going to hit the mailbag. But first, let us do some news. Is that you and Bob Dylan? Yeah. Who's the old lady? That's my old lady. A lot of old lady buzz off the Wednesday podcast.

Oh, yeah. A lot of controversy. I maintain that the old lady is the mother. Despite all evidence and definitions and read a response. Not exclusive to the mother. Mother or wife. It could be used interchangeably. Some people say no.

It is only in reference to your wife. But it is important to know that you never say, you never call your wife the old lady to her face. No, no, no, no. Not in front of her. This is more something that happens at the tavern. It also happens in 19... I don't do this. It also happens in 1947, not today.

Right. I do call Keith the old man sometimes. Yeah, but that is... Term of an agreement. That is entirely... We discussed this. A man is not... Does not...

An older man who's your father does not care about being called old. Good luck calling your mom, old lady. Let's see how far that gets you. Agreed. Would you call your mother that? The whole thing began because I was appalled by the idea. that that was even a thing to you.

All right, let's start the news. It's not a thing to me, it's a thing. No, it's a thing to you. NFL Network's Mike Garifolo, friend of the show. We've had him on here. It's a good guy. Jersey guy. He's a real dude.

He reports that Nick Foles and the Jaguars have, quote, mutual interest. And, Wes, this is not a surprise. Well, this is the first time we're seeing it out there as a report that this is two sides are interested in each other. Why wouldn't they be? The Jaguars, they need a quarterback. The Blake Bordell's experiment did not work. Nick Foles wants a steady starting job and getting paid like a star quarterback.

It feels like a perfect fit. What could get in the way? Maybe another team interest, but I- Eagles maybe, they can mess this up? I would feel like the Jacksonville Jaguars have to be the heavy, heavy favorites here. And, you know, maybe Nick Fools ends up overpaid, but wouldn't you rather overpay Nick Fools than Blake Bortles? this team the defense is ready to win now don't waste your window go get a quarterback yeah when you're

trying to come up with where he could go and if the eagles are really going to tag and trade nick foals which first of all is complicated pro football talk's really been you know sounding this alarm that that's illegal that that goes against what the whole point of the tag is supposed to be it's didn't the Patriots trade do that with mac castle it's written in there and what it says you know Yes, and yes, so there's some vagary with how the laws applied or the rules applied, but it says you need to only have them on your roster if you have a real intent to keep them on your roster, period. So if they have to sign, like he refuses to sign until the minute when they actually have a trade, I don't know, it's just confusing.

My point is, I don't know if they do trade them, where are they going to trade them? They don't want to trade them to the Redskins or the Giants. Where else is there? It's the Dolphins is kind of the one other team to me that could make some sense. Well, and people writing for around that team say that Miami's not going after Nick Foles or anyone like. It's a very weird year because every other year we've done this show and hit free agency, there are a fleet of teams looking for quarterbacks. It's just not the case.

And I've heard some talk that don't assume the Jaguars are going to get them just because of DiPhilippo. I'm not really sure why, but maybe they're just kind of putting that out there to keep his value low. In other news, the Cincinnati Bengals still looking for it. defensive coordinator. Todd Grantham? Grantham, I believe. Grantham. Thank you. Todd, Grantham, he's decided to remain at Florida as their D.C. He was offered a multimillion dollar offer deal to become the Cincinnati D.C. But he decided to stay in college. And Grantham does have a lot of NFL history, including with your brownies mark about a decade ago. However, he's staying in school and or staying at school and Wes your former love the Cincinnati Bengals they're trying to restart they're trying to move in a different direction but this it feels like a bit of a slow process right now yeah and the Bengals then turn their attention to Saints secondary coach Aaron Glenn and rap sheet reported right before we went on air the Saints are planning to block the Bengals from interviewing Aaron Glenn I think that Dan Hansis could get the job right now if he really moved

I mean, Bucky Brooks, he just took a job. High school? A high school job. He might be the only coach left. I know he has for a playing experience and scouting experience and all that, but he also is an NFL media employee. I feel like we should throw our hats in the ring. I do wonder.

It's a good gig. Yeah. What is being said to all these candidates behind closed doors? Because when you've been turned down by Jack Del Rio and Dom Capers and now Todd Grant them, like you get them into the building for a first and second interview, and then it all goes haywire, what is the discourse there? Well, the Bengals have a long history of maybe not having the best reputation around the NFL.

That was certainly pre-Marvin Lewis where it was at its highest, but now Marvin Lewis is not there anymore. And this is the risk kind of of having to wait. First of all, choosing a guy like Zach Taylor who hasn't really run a team at all or anything close. This guy was the assistant wide receivers coach in 2017. It wasn't even the main wide receivers coach. it was the assistant wide receiver.

Assistant to the wide receivers. Right. So he doesn't have a lot of experience. He had to wait until he was done with the Super Bowl. He was the QB coach with the Rams. He's young. Doesn't have a lot of contacts in the league. And I think you're seeing like some of the repercussions of that.

Maybe this is why Mike Brown never made any coaching change for like two decades. He didn't want to deal with all this, Malarkey. Because nobody would take the job? That's just annoying to try to find all these new coaches. Just keep the same guy. Malarkey is not a bad idea, actually. I mean, I know he's done mostly offense, but he's been in the league. Malarkey?

Rex Ryan. That's what he said. Rex Ryan could, I think, would say. Oh, that actually is almost like a match of too desperate sides. If it's true that he wanted the Chief's job, which he did not get, obviously, get back in the door and coach up that day. Well, I think he'd take it in a second. I believe Rob Bryan spent some time at the University of Cincinnati coaching. Interesting.

It's a tenuous connection there. Here's a little bit of an interesting. It's fine. you know, mid-February. Odell Beckham, Jr., signed a huge deal to remain with the Giants last year. But is he going to stay there? The Athletics Jay Glazer.

You know, it's this time of year. Again, mid-February. He had some type of mailbag or something, but he made a bold prediction. And Glazer, for what it's worth, is one of those guys that's very plugged in to the league. He threw it out there that the Giants would trade Odell Beckham this offseason.

And because this is 2019, Mark, then everyone immediately checks into Odell's social media, and there were two-face emojis, and people put a lot into that. I can't. Maybe, you know, I'm getting old. I don't know what the two-face emojis meant. But people took that to me, and he was kind of like, yeah, whatever. Let's party. I like that, Dan, as our resident mailbag author, you refer to Jake Glazer's mailbag as some sort of mailbag.

There's only one mailbag. That is true. NFL.com slash Hansen. My question would be, because if this is true, you know, if he's hearing anything, number one, it would be a total about face for Gediman who gave him that contract and has insisted over and over. We're not moving Odell Beckham. You have this sort of top-heavy offense based around stars, and if you removed him, your identity is really lacking on that offense in general.

But also, who is it out there that Glazers, you know, in his little, his whispers, who's mentioning the team, what team is it that's going to go out? After O'Dell Beckham? I wonder. I think... I'm not saying that I think there would be. I just wonder which one. You know, it's interesting.

And I know Antonio Brown and O'Dell Beckham, you could argue, are two of the top three of wide receivers in the league, if you want. I wonder if the Giants are tracking this Antonio Brown situation, what top of the market he has. And if they would think about it, because I will say he's an incredible player, Beckham. But he seems just to be kind of a pain in the ass. And I wonder if the Giants are all right. kind of they've had their full after four years. What are we talking about here, though?

He's great. He's a great player. And more importantly, they just signed them to that huge contract. If they got rid of it, they would, here's why. $35 million in dead money to cut him or to trade him. That's what I'm saying. I mean, it's like it doesn't quite make sense. It would crush you financially and you'd be losing one of your best players.

So I just mean this year, it just seems crazy. But I think, Dan, you were smart to point out this didn't come from, you know, a random newspaper. Glazer absolutely is saying this for a reason. And I'm amazed about it. There's context here. Jay Glazer is not reporting this. He was asked, give us a bold prediction. Right.

And that's the one he chose. Yeah, but here's the thing. He knows 50 billion different little things that he never talks about. I don't think he's throwing that out there in a vacuum. I think he's throwing that out there because he's heard some things that. actually this is not totally off the table. You know what I mean? I wonder if the Giants have a year later, after hemming and hauling a little bit about

whether they wanted to give him the big deal, they'd give him the big money, they go 3 and 13 or 4 and 12, whatever it was, he's heard again. And if you look at his track record now, he's missed a quarter of the season almost every year he's played, except for one now. I wonder if they're like, is this guy worth the trouble? And maybe this year doesn't make sense. It's wild. I want to correct myself.

because the financials are different on a trade than a cut, it would be $21 million in dead money on your cap, not 31, but that's still a massive amount to get rid of a great place. My one thing is, unless he's a raging headache to a degree that we don't know about behind the scenes, you trade O'Dow Beckham, you get what, a first round pick and maybe a little bit more. Good luck drafting anyone in the first round

who's his talent as O'Dell Beckham. It's like you're taking a step back, though. That's the thing. It would be like... It's hard to find anybody as talented as O'Dell Beckham. But there's more than just talent. involved with this personality it seems. And I can't seem to them wanting to rebuild.

Like if you did that, it almost seems like you're not trying to win as hard this year, and it's just a strange spot. Other transactions. Little transaction talk, Greg, tee up on this. The Niners declined Pierre Garsohn's 2019 option, so a wide receiver. Maybe a little shine is off the last couple of years, but he enters a wide receiver market that's not too hot. And the chargers decline.

Corey Legit's option, so an interior tackle will hit the market as well. Allegit might be a guy that they try to bring back. They're in a weird spot. Their top four defensive tackles are all off the roster. They essentially don't have a defensive tackle position. So that's where you get in trouble in free agency when you suddenly have to replace four guys. He's coming off a torn quad muscle, which is a pretty major injury. Yep.

And Garsohn is one of the initial class that John Lynch signed in free agency. And I think Malcolm Smith is another that's going to get cut over the next week. And that class did not do well overall. And people saying the Niners should not go after Antonio Brown because of his age combined with where they are in terms of being a contender, not quite yet. They have one wide receiver that caught more than 30 passes last year. Like they need more weapons on offense.

You've got a great tight end and George Kittle, but they are shallow at wide receiver. For what it's worth, Chargers GM, Tom Telesco said the door is open to bring back legit so just got to reporting that hey one other thing Greg I thought

you'd be interested in this there was a report out there in the sports business journal respected outlet very that the NFL is leaning toward having the Bears host the Packers for next season's opening kickoff game

on Thursday September 5th according to multiple sources this line lines up with the you're so mad right now the league's 100 season celebration. This is NFL 100. It's a massive initiative inside our company.

And the Bears and Packers are the two oldest teams. They played 198 times. And they would instead have the Pats play. Greg's not even listening. He's searching right now, finding more information. The Pats would then play the Sunday night opener of week one. So close out Sunday of week one. I like this.

Does this, as a Patriots fan and Ricky, I'd love to hear you on this. Does this smack of disrespect that one of the, the spoils of winning the titles you get to open the season and the Pats might not have that opportunity. No, not to me because I think that it's a little stressful and they had already reported that it would be the Chiefs. And the last team I want to, as a Pats fan, see in week one is the Chiefs. Now maybe it'll still be the Chiefs on Sunday night football on Sunday

and then, you know, you don't get that little extra couple days off after week one. But it's not a big deal. I mean, I'm glad to find out that it's because of this historical tie versus the ongoing Aaron Rogers fetish that nighttime football television seems to have Yes, because you really let us down on Sunday night last year in week one. The guy is born to play in prime time.

That opening matchup does not excite me, but that's me personally. I really wanted to see the Patriots on that opening Thursday night. It's Aaron Rogers and the Packers against your boy, Mitch Trevisky. I mean, that was it last Sunday. That was it last year when we were in London. But that's before Trubisky crossed Mark. When all those guys met in the Hupmobile showroom in 1920,

the Bears are the only team left. They were the Decatur Staley's, and they're the only team in the NFL left from that showroom. They deserve to be highlighted in the 100-year anniversary. Yeah, I'm down. And the Packers came in the next year after that. Awesome. Awesome, Nug.

I'm down with it and have like the Bills visit the Patriots Sunday night. Something like that. Well, the one thing I was going to say is with the exception of the cowboy, let me know if I'm wrong, but if my memory serves me, except for the Giants in 2012 against the... the Cowboys, the defending champ has won like 10 years in a row. So kind of a gimmy on your schedule.

It would have been a layup Thursday. I don't know if the Chiefs would be. I was secretly hoping for Baker Mayfield versus Tom Brady, which, just a little personal fantasy. Instead, I'm getting Mitch Trebisky and Aaron Rogers, are they in Foxborough this year? I'd have to look into that. They do play each other.

I know that. Maybe is there any chance, this conspiracy, that they're like, I don't know, Maybe America is a little sick of the Patriots. You've got to take them off. Bad rating for that Super Bowl. When I saw the headline, that's the first thing that went through my head. But then when I read it, it makes sense that they, we know how this league operates.

NFL Super Bowl 50. That was a huge blowout year-long celebration. This is the 100th anniversary. They are going all out for one zero zero. And I would guess the Packers Bears has like the longest consecutive streak of being on Sunday night football. Is there a year that they've ever not been on Sunday night football? This is just like Al Michaels' home game. Oh, for sure.

That's what's happening in the news. Hey, guys, we talked about it at the top of the show situation with Greg and what he was able to do. As a dog adjournow, I reached out, and I actually tracked down the homeless gentleman. Let's hear from him. This is a message for Greg. This is the bum.

Sitting out, you're stupid. I got a message for you, buddy. you're going to meet me in the squared circle of death and by that I mean behind the 7-Eleven over on Motor Avenue not in the front all right behind it they always call the cops on me when I'm in the front all right I'm gonna see you there maybe you could bring a sandwich or something

kind of hungry does that macho man Randy Savage is there a macho man app that you can just you're on his radar apparently yeah well this topic really did it brought up a real conversation between me and amica like you you want to have and you try to have sympathy for the homeless population in santa monica which is significant but then you're battling that with like you know you're worried about your own safety and everything else I think probably you know this call could have been an example of maybe having a little more sympathy for the homeless but Well, I tracked them down

And I gave him a sandwich And gave him a couple bucks Pat on the head He said, good luck out there in these streets Yeah A lot of rain in L8 recently How has this turned you Into a civic hero?

That is beyond absurd Just you got to look after your own We're all on this together ultimately, Mark Yeah, I don't disagree with that theory That's not what's that's, yeah You know this is all made up, right? Yes, I do Okay

All right, let's get to it Hard knocks. All right, so, season 14, still a long way away. However, this is the time of year where the folks at the NFL in conjunction, it's really NFL films in conjunction with the HBO home box office, the premium cable giant work together to find a team

that they decide they'll be focusing on for five weeks during training camp what else needs to be said about Hard Knocks it's the best TV show about football

it's ever been put out and every year it brings the goods just like last year Mark with your Cleveland Browns which I would put probably in my top three seasons

all time for how it took us behind the scenes of Cleveland and And really what we then got to see all play out in life once the season started, really the bad blood and the disconnect between Todd Haley and Hugh Jackson.

That, to me, is when Hard Knocks is at its best. The jet season in 2010, when we got to see the Dorel Revis negotiations, like real news that you get to go behind the scenes and see what's going on. So a tough act to follow. That time that William Hayes, you know, saw the dine, didn't believe the dinosaurs. that was another.

No, the RAM season, that was forgetting them. Not every season's a home run. The LA RAM season, right before they got good, was probably near the bottom of the barrel, I would say. So we're hoping for another good season in 2019. So this is how it works. The league about six years ago came up with a system that if you hit any of three different clauses,

you were excused essentially from being selected for hard knocks. and they are the following, have a first year head coach, a playoff berth in the past two seasons, or appeared on hard knocks in the past 10 years. There are five teams, only five teams that don't get excluded based on those three parameters.

So I will now go through them, five to one, in terms of least attractive to great fit. All right. So here's number five for me, and you guys tell me what you think. The Detroit Lions. West Chuckled.

They won't even show up on time for training camp. Doesn't it feel like we're kind of at a weird juncture in history with the lines where they were in football hell? Before the Browns were known as the absolute pits of the league, the Lions were that a decade ago. They even had to own 16 first. But now they kind of exist in purgatory. They moved up from hell to purgatory. There's just not a lot to be compelling about this group. Don't want to watch them.

Don't want to read about them. don't want to write about them. The lions could not possibly be any more boring. Yeah, I don't know how else is on this list yet, but I'm not surprised they're at the bottom of it. The only thing that Hard Knocks does well sometimes, though, is take something that you think you know about and flip the script. Maybe we would find out something about the lions that would be...

I think Matt Patricia makes them more compelling on some level, but I feel like... No, HBO in general does not... Did you say Matt Patricia makes them more compelling? To me personally. Yeah, I think he's a more interesting. interesting guy then he gives off but he also is a guy in his beard today right what he also gives up a vibe like any belichick disciple that he would fight hard against doing this i think like so home

box office does not typically go out of their way to create the premium cable dull subject matter so this would be not on their number one radar list i believe but remember gregg if you're on this list you have to but they try it they're hoping that they find someone that you know right it wants to do it Which could even not be on this list, right? It could be another team. I think the Bucks were an example a few years back. They just raised their hand. I know the Jaguar seemed to volunteer every year you hear,

and they're like blown up the DMs and they just don't get a reply ever. It's kind of sad. They're just like, oh, missed your message. Sorry, we already picked someone. They get fools. They might get a nibble. I think Cincinnati also volunteered,

but I think a lot of times it does come from them. Cincinnati did it twice within a four-year period. They're available. That was when they were struggling to get teams. Four is for me the Redskins And you could throw them at five If you want Greg I have a feeling you would

Based on your comments On our previous show There is some intrigue here Jake Rudin's I remember him from the Cincinnati Hard Knock season He was kind of a fun follow What do they do with Alex Smith

And how they play out That whole situation The Redskins are an option I would put them higher Only because if they actually Did the job they normally did They're an interesting spot here Because they're I think

at a bottom. I mean, but that means the HBO would never want to pick them. The Redskins wouldn't want to do it. The NFL wouldn't want to showcase it. I think they're a franchise that has some real serious issues, not just Alex Smith, but fans, and faith among their fans and tickets and stadiums.

Like, they're in a tough spot. Gruden is the one coach, though, that is on record recently saying he did not mind doing it, and he did not find it to be a great distraction. It's not something that you're lobbying for, but he would be open to it. I would only be in, West, if they brought back Rex Grossman and John Beck. Oh, yeah.

The fight for Alex Smith's job. Did they bring both of them in the same year? And Mike Shanahan said, look, what you guys don't know is John Beck can play. I believe in him. And I've been doing this for a long time. And I put my reputation on these guys that they can play. Right. One of my favorite quotes in NFL media history.

I immediately scoffed at that. Yeah, kind of ended Mike Shanahan's career. A little bit. They could have some palace intrigue, too. They just hired a passing defensive coordinator who, you know, they literally had people in the building trying to replace their own defensive coordinator, Greg Minoski, which is kind of an under-the-radar story. Couldn't find someone they like better.

And then they just kept them. They're like, oh, no, you're fine. But we're going to hire some other assistants to maybe take your job. I like that, pal. Maybe Rob Ryan will take his job. Now the top three. I feel like there's a big separation. 49ers.

In a similar exercise last year, I thought they were a great. pick and I still think they're a great pick after what was a really you want to talk about they're not at a rock bottom but they're coming off a deeply disappointing year and you have a high draft pick and you got the Jimmy G drama trying to like get back on track after blowing out his knee the Kyle Shanahan angle he seems to be an interesting fun guy and he likes rap Greg I can imagine the whole like seven minute segment about that yes yeah so the Niners to me And one of the great NFL franchises of your, they kind of jump out. I wouldn't mind watching that.

They got Richard Sherman, who was a good talker. And if they get Antonio Brown, they would have to jump up this list, right? Yes, I think that's a great call. It's, I think they'd be a great pick. Kyle Shanahan did say it's a hard, hard, bad stance when they asked him about it. You will see the worst entertainment possible by me. and John Lynch also kind of fought against them. So I don't know.

They seem against it. But their owner, and that's kind of the one that matters, seems to me like a guy that would maybe want to do it to help burnish the reputation of the franchise. Let's stay by the bay. Number two, I got the Raiders. Wes, I thought you put it really well last week that we're kind of in the dark ages a little bit for the Raiders.

And to me, that's nothing if not compelling. How do you dig yourself out? You have John Gruner, who I think Gruden and Hard Knocks have been meant to be together and this is an opportunity for that and you have the drama around where they're playing

and you have the internal situation about building the roster maybe a new quarterback what's going on with Derek Carr, the relationship between Carr and Gruden which people have a lot of questions about. I'm in. Mark, you're shaking your head. I don't need it.

Yeah, counterpoint. This would be too much like the Rams season when so much was about the move and not having a home. and I just don't care about that. I think Mike Mayock would be interesting. I'd like to see that. I think with the Raiders, for me,

I don't want to give extra attention to a team that's balting on their hometown fans. I don't need it. It's just to me the wrong season. The Raiders in general. That's a good point. Another year would be interesting, just not this year.

I was ready to fight against you guys. Are you kidding me? Mark Davis, John Gruden, Meg Mayak, put it all together. kind of a crazy franchise. This sounds delightful. But I saw John Gruden every Monday for 10 years. I don't need to know any more about it.

I would see more. I still like him. I find him fascinating. An analyst in a booth. This is him and his natural. But Mark makes a great. That is a great point about awkward it would be. I just don't think the NFL would want that also.

In this year in particular. I think you probably would be interesting. I'd be all in. Like Gruden, you might think I say I don't want. I think Gruden would be compelling on the show. There's a mix here. I just don't want it to see it happening too. It seems like something that could happen.

What I don't have happened, Wes, I think your fears are not misplaced, but I think the danger would be if it was next year. Then they would be all about the whole Vegas angle. Oh, see, to me, that's interesting. Like, you're going to a new city. But that's what the Rams situation was. No, but there's never been an NFL team in Vegas. Like, to me, that angle is kind of interesting.

But I think, like, the year when they have a chance to actually be something, that would be the year to do it, not this year where they're obviously going to be a basement. team again? Number one on my list, and I imagine you might not all agree, but as a native New Yorker who grew up a Jets fan and always looked at the Giants as kind of the big brother and the team that does things right, I would love to see the Giants on Hard Knocks, and I think there's some good interesting players on the roster, and I think the end of the Eli era being behind closed doors to see how that goes, especially if they get a rookie in that building, how does that play out?

and in general the Giants is one of those great original teams of the league you get the feeling they're almost above reality television but they really aren't and there's no reason why they shouldn't be involved in a show like this. Hey, please. I mean Hard Knocks has one more postseason hardware than the Giants the last five or six years

give me a break. This is a great franchise Hard Knox. You should be proud to be a part of them. Eli, 2 and 0, bro. 2 and 0 gets the big man. I mean, he's always. And there's O and one in the last six years. It doesn't help that Giants owner John Mara in 2010 said the team would make an appearance on hard knocks, in quotes, when I'm next to my father in the Gates of Heaven Cemetery. For real?

Really? Yeah. That's a good quote. That's awesome. So it doesn't sound like they're overly, you know, excited about the. Well, it is a great test, too, because the rule is if you do not clear those three tenants, you will be picked if they want. you, but the Mara is our royalty? Do the, is this a real, is this a phony rule or is it a real rule?

We would find out if the Giants run the show. I don't think it would help Pat Schumer much. He was on a five-week Brown's reality show, which was a low-level thing on like the Travel Channel. And it did not help. It was a long time ago. It did not, for me, help much at all with Pat Schumer's reputation. And I don't need five weeks of O'Dell Beckham.

I used to watch. That is my one issue. I used to watch every, you know, NFL-related show or reality show. It was a big fan of third and long, you know, by Michael Irvin. I did try watching that travel show. About, like, halfway through the second episode, I was like, wait, this is really all about, like, the guy who's just, like, packing the bags for the play. They just spent 20 minutes on how complicated that is of like, well, you've got to move the bags up to this area.

But then it's really tough. Like, if it's a night game, you can't get out of the flight that early. I was like, this is boring. This is, I can't watch this. Correct me if I'm wrong, Mark. I think you shot down all five options. I think you'll be sitting out hard knocks this year. I agree with you, Dan.

I would have put the Raiders 2 and the Giants 1 off of that list. So I totally agree. Really? Yep. I would, these are not one of the five teams I would pick if I could pick anyone at all. But I can warm up to them. I think they could go off the board. You don't have to.

I don't. It's certainly possible that the Jags, a team like the Jags volunteers or some other team that would be. Oh, the Jags will volunteer. It's just a matter if the phone is picked up, and it hasn't been for about five years. Who else could use it? Like, what's an owner that would, like, want it? The Chargers, I think, would want it.

I'm not sure if Hard Knocks would totally do it, but I feel like the Chargers. I'd love to see the Chiefs. That would be a good one. The Chiefs would be great. Wes, because of the ongoing headlock watch with the New York Jets, people have put together that this would be a good year

for the Jets to return. According to Manish Mehta. Get ready to rumble. Manich Madre reports that Jets are not interested at this time, which I'm disappointed about, but I get it. It is becoming, you know, a trend because of these rules that you just are picking kind of down-and-out teams. It would be great to pick a team that's at the top or close to it.

I can't remember the last time they had a good team on the show. Like the Cowboys were still pretty good. There was one... Wasn't there one very recent year? The team kind of like trying to get over, get over the top of the Viking. No, the Vikings. Jets were coming off an AFC title game. Like the Saints, for instance, like how amazing.

To me, the Saints would be like an amazing team to pick going into this year, especially. Oh, Drew Reeves. I mean, can you imagine? He would probably be, there would probably be a teleprompter around him at all times. The Bucks is who I was thinking of just because people thought they were going to be good that year, but they weren't coming off. They were not. I'd like the Eagles.

Eagles are a good choice. All right, here we go. Before we get out of here, a couple of mailbag questions. I reached out to the people. Which hero hit the Nick Shook going away party hardest in terms of beverages? We're all there at different times, I feel like, but we were all there. I would guess that I did, but that doesn't include Mark's trip to the bar next door.

Well, the bar next door had a Gordon Ramsey reality show based around it, so I went to watch it with the owner and stuff. But it was quite amazing. They were, this is one of my favorite, it's Wardwalk 11 in karaoke bar. They were savaged by Gordon Ramsey but came out on the winning end, I think, in the conclusion. I just watched it. You were like a studio audience? I think Wes wins.

I was there to the very end, past West actually, straight through to the end of the trivia. And Wes and Keisha, especially the pair of more, they were ready to go home. Well, yeah. Shook also showed up about an hour. after it started. She said she had been there for five and a half hours. I mean, that's no, that's a long time. She organized it.

That's a long time. Moving on. From Malcolm McSweeney. If you could put together any announcer and color guy, any era together to call games, who would they be? I love Romo, and he's emerging as a legend, but give me Summerall and Madden in their primes,

and I'm flying. I'm with you. Can we have a three-man booth, Summerall, Madden, and Romo? Yeah, fun. That would be my dream team. Wow, I love that. I'm surprised Tariko isn't involved for you.

I was trying to think of who's the all-time legends. Who's the play-by-play guy in my all-time game? Yeah, I'm going to, like, Tariko and Romo for right now would be an amazing thing to witness. Under the radar. No offense to Jim Nance. Don Cricky was a great play-by-play man. I thought personally. In the 1980s, yes.

Five years ago when he didn't know any of the players in the NFL? When he was like the number one NBC team way back when? Cricky, good choice. Nance Giving Way is tied. Does he still do that at March Madness? Because that, I don't know, I still hold that against him. That has nothing to do with the NFL or anything else. I haven't watched the March Madness.

How about Tariko, Romo, and we bring back Dennis Miller to. Oh, yeah. Can they come down a little with the Dennis Miller? I like that. Because that booth would be great. They would have a lot of fun together. Your revisionist history about Dennis Miller. He wasn't a design.

disaster, but let's not act like he was amazing. He enjoyed the Dennis Miller. He made it fun, I thought. Agreed. Yeah, Dennis Miller was incredible. I'll back down. I'm just saying, he's not going to talk that much, but he'll just pop. Yeah, baby, cha-cha.

Like, it'll be that crazy about Dennis Miller? Yeah, I want 90s, Dennis Miller, not kind of like the guy ranting now. I don't need the current version of Dennis movie. How does Mark Sess from Jordan Lang? How does Mark Sessler think the next Avengers movie will go about restoring the heroes who got snapped? I've never seen an Avengers movie. That that I know of. They got snapped.

Spoiler. I like how you were fingered on that one. They got a bunch of them vanished. If I were reading some of the reviews. I have no idea. Isn't it all based off of actual real stories? They asked you, not us. Apologies.

I have no response. This is one area where this is out of step with the American populace. Good. Last question. And actually, this one gave me pause because I actually never thought about it. Everyone always talks about the Belchick Brady era and kind of like Who Made Who? Or if it was truly a joint effort.

And Corey Wilson asks if I could go back to the year 2000, which is when Bill jilted the Jets and went to New England and also when Tom Brady was drafted. I believe in the sixth round, what was like, $199 overall? it's not really publicized but if you could go back to she says that Corey says the year 2000 everyone says the

year 2000 by the way you can just say 2000 it's from Conan O'Brien right maybe good editing who would you steal from the Patriots Bill Belichick or Tom Brady if you could only take one if you go in the time machine Wes who are you? You only can take one who is this any team

basically yes okay you're right Chris I just hate this question I'm sorry Corey You know, Sheck brought it up last week And I just find it exhausting But you got to answer it though Got to take one I don't cut them in half

And join them back together That's murder That's double murder my friend They're both the greatest To do it So whatever But if you could only have one Who would you take

And you get 20 years I enjoy watching Tom Brady So I'll choose him This like you have You're the GM of a team Okay There's like no context And without any context

I think I would take Brady because I think ownership and that everything else going on that I don't know anything about could ruin it for Belichick more than you could ruin it for Brady. I'd take Bray. I'm with you.

I think he's a little safer. Having the all-time greatest quarterback and I'm sure being with Belichick helped in that regard. But I think Brady was going to be a hall of fame either way, no matter where he ended up. I think he's that special. Give me that guy instead of the coach

who could get sandbag with a bad roster. And I think Belichick probably would have been a Hall of Famer no matter where he ended up with a second chance. It was the odds were it was going to go well. But you're right. I'm taking Brady. I'm one of the people that liked Belichick when he was in Cleveland, unlike a lot of the media there, and I would take Belichick.

Okay. There you go. And Wes would murder them both. That's what we would. Temposi. Interesting choice. Not even a hesitation. Nope.

They want to give an explanation? Nope. Okay. That's fine. I get why you say the. way you say the things that you say out of your mouth all right good show fun show uh we will be back when are we back monday right okay i will not be here so best of luck to you guys that's a holiday right happy president's day i don't know why are we coming in we need to all talk about this i guess

okay why would i be here if it's a holiday well we've that's not gotten in the way in the path But yeah, well, it's getting in the way now. Clearly, we've done some planning. We'll be back next week, and we'll be back with two to three shows. And when we do, we'll be breaking down a lot of what's going on in the NFL, and it'll be fun. So get ready for that. Thanks for listening and have a great weekend. This is Dan Hansa, signing off.

You can check us out on Spotify, too, remember? Absolutely. They're so cool. I just started listening to a podcast on Spotify, and it's way better. Incredible algorithm Spotify has, so the music end is. Netflix wishes they have. and Spotify. Wes says he only listens to podcasts on Spotify.

So if you want to be involved with the Spotify end of listening to the show, go to their search engine and type in the name of this show around the NFL podcast. And while we're here, and right there. Beef up, you want to give us a, you know, a Valentine's Day belated present or an early President's Day present? Because everyone's giving great presents for President's Day. Leave a comment.

You know, just juice it up. I'm going to look at the number right now. On iTunes. On iTunes. Yes. I'm going to look at it. the number right now and if it's not like up a hundred by next tuesday i'm going to be disappointed more like presence day nailed it that's how you go out that's how you get out of here

mark could not get out of the studio faster when this show ends it'll just be a cloud of smoke it's going to be like a backpack over the shoulder and out of the door i just feel like i have a vocal cord like stuck inside my body somewhere hopefully get this fixed yeah got to get that thing out of there all right this dan anza signing off for quiet so feel better mark thank you the mailman the old boss and Ricky Hollywood behind the glass till next week

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